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The 2 things no one sane would every want to be is a politician and / or a Moderator on a public forum...CorrectHorseBattery said:
The last thing I would want to be is an Admin here.rcs1000 said:
There's a lot of soft moderation that goes on. The posters on here don't get to see my personal email messages.CorrectHorseBattery said:
It's a bit off that some posters insisted she wasn't bannedrcs1000 said:@CorrectHorseBattery - I initially emailed @MoonRabbit on 1 July offering to unban her. I have since reached out again.
It's a bit off that she ignores me, but complains to you.
Broadly speaking there are four levels of PB access:
(1) admin - who can post what they like and never get trapped in the spam or abuse filter
(2) member - can post, but will occasionally trigger vanilla thinking they are posting spam
(3) applicant - a soft ban, usually requiring only an email response to clear up
(4) actual ban - which can be revoked, but only manually
And no, I'm not upgrading you to admin status.3 -
From one of your earlier posts it's 50 out of 59 seats cunning, so..Scott_xP said:
Is it as cunning as this?Theuniondivvie said:That cunning plan to woo Scottish voters in full.
Amazing. Alyn Smith just said the quiet part out loud. The SNP doesn’t want a general election. It “enjoys” Tory Government at Westminster, and wants it to continue. https://twitter.com/staylorish/status/1544417970130149381/video/1
Not sure ‘keep the Tories in government’ is quite the campaign slogan the SNP is looking for!
https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1544419777590050821
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I think that is because I just changed the profile. Perhaps the email is only visible when I click my avatar but not if anyone else does? I'm not that bothered to be honest it was more that I was completely unaware of it.carnforth said:
OllyT’s profile is set to private anyway, so the option’s setting is irrelevant.Selebian said:
Edit profile (top right on VF on desktop at least). Check box under your email address (which should not be ticked if wanting to hide)OllyT said:How do you stop your email address being publicly on show?
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Never seen Heathener be mean to anyone.1
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Being an Admin on a forum is a difficult and thankless task... although surely it's preferable to being in Boris Johnson's Cabinet? I'd rather be an Admin here than, say, the replacement minister for schools standards.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The last thing I would want to be is an Admin here.rcs1000 said:
There's a lot of soft moderation that goes on. The posters on here don't get to see my personal email messages.CorrectHorseBattery said:
It's a bit off that some posters insisted she wasn't bannedrcs1000 said:@CorrectHorseBattery - I initially emailed @MoonRabbit on 1 July offering to unban her. I have since reached out again.
It's a bit off that she ignores me, but complains to you.
Broadly speaking there are four levels of PB access:
(1) admin - who can post what they like and never get trapped in the spam or abuse filter
(2) member - can post, but will occasionally trigger vanilla thinking they are posting spam
(3) applicant - a soft ban, usually requiring only an email response to clear up
(4) actual ban - which can be revoked, but only manually
And no, I'm not upgrading you to admin status.0 -
He clearly hasn't lost all support or else his MPs would already have disposed of him. Therein lies the entire problem.Scott_xP said:BRUTAL interview by Johnson loyalist Murrison: "He needs to go now. He can't be dragged out of No 10. We're not a banana republic. We don't have people clinging on to power when they've lost all support in their party and the country."
Also a warning to leadership hopefuls! ~AA https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1544605329807314945/video/10 -
Anyway, have a nice day everyone and be good to one another. The world is dark enough right now without us spreading it.
I wish you all well and I really like it that for the most part I can have sensible, honest, conversation with people right across the political spectrum. There are good people on all sides and they are well represented here.
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Another thing Boris backers on the radio keep bringing up is he even caught COVID.
That isn't a positive. Nor is it unusual.
But they seem to think it is a clincher.1 -
We can't even see your profile anymore, so no email visible.OllyT said:
I think that is because I just changed the profile. Perhaps the email is only visible when I click my avatar but not if anyone else does? I'm not that bothered to be honest it was more that I was completely unaware of it.carnforth said:
OllyT’s profile is set to private anyway, so the option’s setting is irrelevant.Selebian said:
Edit profile (top right on VF on desktop at least). Check box under your email address (which should not be ticked if wanting to hide)OllyT said:How do you stop your email address being publicly on show?
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Yes, as I already said aboveOllyT said:
I think that is because I just changed the profile. Perhaps the email is only visible when I click my avatar but not if anyone else does? I'm not that bothered to be honest it was more that I was completely unaware of it.carnforth said:
OllyT’s profile is set to private anyway, so the option’s setting is irrelevant.Selebian said:
Edit profile (top right on VF on desktop at least). Check box under your email address (which should not be ticked if wanting to hide)OllyT said:How do you stop your email address being publicly on show?
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Halfon has turned.0
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"I'm a naturally loyal Conservative" is the problem here. Too many Tory MPs think that "loyalty" means dispensing with their critical faculties.Scott_xP said:My statement on why I’ve lost confidence in the Prime Minister 👇 https://twitter.com/halfon4harlowMP/status/1544606043648528384/photo/1
This could have been over weeks ago. Months ago. We could have had a new PM by now - if resignations had been tendered in February.1 -
Re vanilla, it used to be ridiculously sensitive to posts that referenced certain pills that would apparently stiffen the make member, and would unceramoniously dump people down to applicant for mentioning them.rcs1000 said:
There's a lot of soft moderation that goes on. The posters on here don't get to see my personal email messages.CorrectHorseBattery said:
It's a bit off that some posters insisted she wasn't bannedrcs1000 said:@CorrectHorseBattery - I initially emailed @MoonRabbit on 1 July offering to unban her. I have since reached out again.
It's a bit off that she ignores me, but complains to you.
Broadly speaking there are four levels of PB access:
(1) admin - who can post what they like and never get trapped in the spam or abuse filter
(2) member - can post, but will occasionally trigger vanilla thinking they are posting spam
(3) applicant - a soft ban, usually requiring only an email response to clear up
(4) actual ban - which can be revoked, but only manually
And no, I'm not upgrading you to admin status.0 -
An incredibly timely reminder that Labour's leadership is far from settled - Burnham is timing his runs like Lampard used to
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/06/the-country-is-in-a-dangerous-place-people-are-frightened-andy-burnham-on-power-progress-and-finding-his-place0 -
No, that’s not how it worksLuckyguy1983 said:
The actual Flintstone's content there is very low. Outfits, jewellery, hairstyles on the ladies are totally different. I'm not 'knocking' the technology; it's interesting. But I think I'm missing something. It just runs through hundreds of thousands of stock images on a database and finesses them into a single image using the command - is that right? That's impressive but not an unexpected or radical development surely?turbotubbs said:
Hair colours totally wrong for Betty and Barny. Fail.Leon said:The Flintstones as real people
It’s weird how DALL-E hasn’t *quite* mastered eyes and noses - yet. I suspect this is a lagging glitch from its former constraint - don’t use faces
Here
https://openai.com/dall-e-2/
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Intriguingly the most read story on bbc news this morning is about a shop I've only vaguely heard of - The Range - stopping selling weight loss countdown coin savers - an item I had no idea ever existed in the first place!OnlyLivingBoy said:Very tetchy on here today. I guess it's just a quiet news day with nothing much to talk about in the world of UK politics. But still, chill out people! We are all part of the rich PB tapestry.
Definitely a quiet news day.1 -
He is now Halfoff.rottenborough said:Halfon has turned.
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"Boris backers" have bugger all to work with.dixiedean said:Another thing Boris backers on the radio keep bringing up is he even caught COVID.
That isn't a positive. Nor is it unusual.
But they seem to think it is a clincher.
Can we all agree - he isn't leading the Tories into the next election? That being a given, the issue is the mechanics and timing of moving him out.
A couple more Cabinet resignations before PMQs might do the job.0 -
Jesus Christ! Him and Jonathan Gullis? Who is next - Matt Vickers? These people literally only exist because of the Dead Dog, and have been moronically loyal.Scott_xP said:NEW: Two sources tell me Lee Anderson is about to put a statement out against Boris Johnson
Would be a significant Red Wall loyalist to turn against the PM
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Boris appears to be considerably less competent than Trump....LostPassword said:
I can believe that Boris Johnson will stoop to many depths, but I do not think he is likely to call a rally of his supporters and ask them to march on Parliament to stop the Remainers from ousting him.bondegezou said:
I like to imagine there is a different between Johnson and Trump, that Boris is, for all his many faults, not actually as bad as the Donald. Maybe I am naïve in that respect?MarqueeMark said:
Assuming that these people voted confidence in Boris whilst he was giving them a job, we must surely be at the point where Boris would now lose a further VONC.El_Capitano said:Robin Walker resigns as a DfE minister.
The "nothing to see here, move along" air of attempted normality does seem quietly comical. You're out, Boris. Accept it, with a smidgeon of dignity. Or cling on like Trump - and be laughed at by history. They are the two options.
So I believe that at least one clear difference is a reluctance to use physical violence to attempt to retain power.
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Why? Has he started backing Boris? 😉rottenborough said:Halfon has turned.
Being serious, he's been a firm critic of Boris post-partygate, but actually opposed the no confidence vote, so that is another one.0 -
Surely Mordaunt needs to walk this morning just before PMQs to have chance in leadership?2
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On topic - how many resignations / not-my-PM statements have we had so far today?0
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When the Tories replaced Thatcher in 1990 they may have scraped home in 1992 but lost by their worst landslide defeat in 1997 since 1832 and were in the wilderness for 13 years.Heathener said:Anyway, the disastrous Conservative car crash continues.
They have to stop this and fast. The more this goes on, the more likely a Labour victory becomes and the longer the wilderness years will be. Remember this.
Had they kept Thatcher even had they lost in 1992 it would not have been as bad as their 1997 defeat and they may even have beaten PM Kinnock in 19970 -
Yes whatever yawn bye. Go and buy some more knitting wool in GuildfordHeathener said:
No Leon. You aren't. The vaguest comment that disagrees with you and you take that as a green light to respond with increasingly personal foul-mouthed abuse. There's a big difference and if you don't see that then that's very sad.Leon said:CorrectHorseBattery said:
Leon was horrible to me when I was going through a crisis.Heathener said:
Leon is a thoroughly nasty shit to people on here day after day. I suppose he gets away with it because everyone knows he was once a successful author, albeit at a time when he could publish that kind of pre #MeToo trope.CorrectHorseBattery said:I never called the moderators c*nts either. I made a perfectly reasonable point that they ban people who use it once and not others who use it daily.
But behind all of the rudeness and bluster and exhibitionism there lies a quite lonely, insecure, and somewhat sad old man. And I genuinely do feel sorry for him in that. He has had deep dark mental health issues.
I very much doubt that. I am careful not to be mean to people who are clearly in a bad place
I am generally only mean to people who do it to me first. As here with @heathener today1 -
Gove going would be a wonderful bookend to the Boris saga. I am quite surprised he hasn’t seized the opportunity yet.MarqueeMark said:
"Boris backers" have bugger all to work with.dixiedean said:Another thing Boris backers on the radio keep bringing up is he even caught COVID.
That isn't a positive. Nor is it unusual.
But they seem to think it is a clincher.
Can we all agree - he isn't leading the Tories into the next election? That being a given, the issue is the mechanics and timing of moving him out.
A couple more Cabinet resignations before PMQs might do the job.
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There's quite plentiful evidence that the SNP is prepared to compromise Scotland's present welfare to achieve the promised land tomorrow. I just wonder when you think that stops. Presumably you think a some sort of switch flips when the keys are handed over, and Government in Scotland becomes truly selfless and cleansed of all cynicism.Theuniondivvie said:
From one of your earlier posts it's 50 out of 59 seats cunning, so..Scott_xP said:
Is it as cunning as this?Theuniondivvie said:That cunning plan to woo Scottish voters in full.
Amazing. Alyn Smith just said the quiet part out loud. The SNP doesn’t want a general election. It “enjoys” Tory Government at Westminster, and wants it to continue. https://twitter.com/staylorish/status/1544417970130149381/video/1
Not sure ‘keep the Tories in government’ is quite the campaign slogan the SNP is looking for!
https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1544419777590050821
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2022 departure date nudged down from 1.19 to 1.15.0
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Halfon was also a Remainer thoughrottenborough said:Halfon has turned.
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We dismiss HYUFD but he might be very representative of Tory members2
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9 resignations and 2 backbenchers who publicly opposed the no confidence vote by my count.RochdalePioneers said:On topic - how many resignations / not-my-PM statements have we had so far today?
I had the tally at 10 resignations earlier, but that was the same person twice, Sky originally misnamed them.2 -
Some people think contenders need to stay loyal. Others that the contenders need to leave.rottenborough said:Surely Mordaunt needs to walk this morning just before PMQs to have chance in leadership?
Not sure it makes much difference myself, can see good and bad ways to navigate and explain either decision, and also different chains of events that favour either option over the other.1 -
He's as representative of Tory members as bigjohnowls is representative of Labour members.CorrectHorseBattery said:We dismiss HYUFD but he might be very representative of Tory members
No individual person is representative of members of a large party. Large parties have a plethora of members who are very different from each other, there are many wings to the Tory Party just as there are to Labour.4 -
The truth will set you free, and the prime minister will soon be liberated from No 10, says @RSylvesterTimes https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/boris-johnson-told-one-lie-too-many-partygate-pincher-sunak-javid0
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Matthew Goodwin now deleting his old Tweets, what an impartial academic he is2
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Certainly a very large section of them.CorrectHorseBattery said:We dismiss HYUFD but he might be very representative of Tory members
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Had they kept Thatcher, they would have lost badly in 1992. The electorate don't often vote a government out after one term, so Labour would have been well-positioned in 1997. I can't see what particular factors would have gotten voters flocking back to the Tories in 1997 after a 1992 defeat.HYUFD said:
When the Tories replaced Thatcher in 1990 they may have scraped home in 1992 but lost by their worst landslide defeat in 1997 and were in the wilderness for 13 years.Heathener said:Anyway, the disastrous Conservative car crash continues.
They have to stop this and fast. The more this goes on, the more likely a Labour victory becomes and the longer the wilderness years will be. Remember this.
Had they kept Thatcher even had they lost in 1992 it would not have been assad as their 1997 defeat and they may even have beaten PM Kinnock in 19970 -
If Boris lasts more than a few more hours, Zahawi’s finances will come under proper scrutiny.
He’s unfit to be Chancellor.0 -
Perhaps "shadow banned" is a more appropriate term.CorrectHorseBattery said:The fact of the matter is that MoonRabbit WAS banned despite posters insisting she was not. I still am not clear what she did.
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Doesn't he have anything to resign from?rottenborough said:Halfon has turned.
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I'm calling peak HYUFD.HYUFD said:
Halfon was also a Remainer thoughrottenborough said:Halfon has turned.
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This isn’t some Remainer plot to remove Johnson given many Leave MPs also want rid of him .HYUFD said:
Halfon was also a Remainer thoughrottenborough said:Halfon has turned.
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Just because he claimed taxpayers money to keep his horses warm whilst voting against money to keep children warm doesn't make him unfit.ping said:If Boris lasts more than a few more hours, Zahawi’s finances will come under proper scrutiny.
He’s unfit to be Chancellor.0 -
The MPs having failed to unseat him, it’s now up to the Cabinet collectively - but they don’t seem particularly up for it either, especially not a fortnight before they’ve booked to be on a beach somewhere.MarqueeMark said:
"Boris backers" have bugger all to work with.dixiedean said:Another thing Boris backers on the radio keep bringing up is he even caught COVID.
That isn't a positive. Nor is it unusual.
But they seem to think it is a clincher.
Can we all agree - he isn't leading the Tories into the next election? That being a given, the issue is the mechanics and timing of moving him out.
A couple more Cabinet resignations before PMQs might do the job.
One or two resignations is easy enough to deal with, but if they’d all resigned at their meeting yesterday…1 -
Yes and BJO despite his nonsense is worth reading. Just as HYUFD is.BartholomewRoberts said:
He's as representative of Tory members as bigjohnowls is representative of Labour members.CorrectHorseBattery said:We dismiss HYUFD but he might be very representative of Tory members
No individual person is representative of members of a large party. Large parties have a plethora of members who are very different from each other, there are many wings to the Tory Party just as there are to Labour.1 -
A smart chap, like you.HYUFD said:
Halfon was also a Remainer thoughrottenborough said:Halfon has turned.
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It's interesting how Boris lying about Partygate to the House seems to have been something Boris loyalists could forgive, but lying about having been told about Pincher seems to have caused the End of Days for these folk.....Scott_xP said:NEW: Two sources tell me Lee Anderson is about to put a statement out against Boris Johnson
Would be a significant Red Wall loyalist to turn against the PM
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This will come as no surprise to those who know me but I have written to Graham Brady asking for a rule change governing the holding of confidence votes & a further confidence vote to be held. Change is needed & needed now: for the sake of our Country, my constituents & my Party
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Thanks for the heads up: Labour intend to bypass parliamentary scrutiny and democracy. Plus ça change.SouthamObserver said:
If Labour does get back into power, the current government has made it much easier to create a much closer relationship with the EU very quietly. When you give up on Parliamentary democracy, as the Tories have done, don't be surprised if the executive tools you have created to bypass scrutiny are used in ways that you do not like.Jonathan said:
Labour needs the next election to be about the economy and catastrophic public services, not an ideological battle for Brexit returning red wall voters to the Tories.StuartDickson said:
Labour cannot appease Brexiteers. They must be confronted and defeated.Jonathan said:
The person who will be most delighted if the chaos of the Brexit wars resumes is Boris.Roger said:
Labour's problem is that so far they have only one policy which is to maintain the draconian Brexit but fix the Norhern Ireland protocol.pigeon said:
That's why the best outcome to the next election is one that leaves Labour as weak as possible, without the bloody Tories actually winning it again.StuartDickson said:
I think the Conservatives need a period in opposition. About a century will do.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Dickson, and that terrible decision is with him as Defence Secretary. You think a Nadine Dorries or similar would be better for Defence?
PR Mr Starmer. PR.
If Labour is miles short of a majority, doubts its ability ever to win one again, has a large and potentially resurgent Conservative Opposition breathing down its neck, and ends up reliant on both the SNP and the Liberal Democrats, then they might be persuaded to yield.
The likelihood of Labour abandoning FPTP if it wins outright is nil.
As perhaps only twenty people in the country understand the Northern Ireland protocol and even less care it's not going to have them queuing round the blocks at polling stations.
Meanwhile the door is open to anyone who wants to attract the now 60% in these islands who want the whole madcap scheme to be addressed as a matter of urgency.
In short. Is Starmer's Labour party fit for purpose? I don't think so. Does Starmer understand this politics business? I don't think so. The first rule of politics is to find policies that voters want and the first rule of selling those policies is remember the first rule of copywriting. People don't want a drill they want a hole.
Starmer surrendered yesterday: he is not fit for purpose. Labourites better pray that Durham police do their work for them.
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I don’t think I’m particularly stupid, but I really don’t have a clue about what point you’re trying to make.Luckyguy1983 said:
There's quite plentiful evidence that the SNP is prepared to compromise Scotland's present welfare to achieve the promised land tomorrow. I just wonder when you think that stops. Presumably you think a some sort of switch flips when the keys are handed over, and Government in Scotland becomes truly selfless and cleansed of all cynicism.Theuniondivvie said:
From one of your earlier posts it's 50 out of 59 seats cunning, so..Scott_xP said:
Is it as cunning as this?Theuniondivvie said:That cunning plan to woo Scottish voters in full.
Amazing. Alyn Smith just said the quiet part out loud. The SNP doesn’t want a general election. It “enjoys” Tory Government at Westminster, and wants it to continue. https://twitter.com/staylorish/status/1544417970130149381/video/1
Not sure ‘keep the Tories in government’ is quite the campaign slogan the SNP is looking for!
https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1544419777590050821
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People might not like HYUFD's posts but he is valued as a Tory contributor here.1
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The bond markets and currency traders will soon get him up to speed.dixiedean said:
From his interview this morning he's unfit to be Chancellor because he doesn't have a basic clue about economics.ping said:If Boris lasts more than a few more hours, Zahawi’s finances will come under proper scrutiny.
He’s unfit to be Chancellor.0 -
Do you know there's actually an absence of wool shops in Guildford, though there are a couple of places in the Greater Guildford area.Leon said:
Yes whatever yawn bye. Go and buy some more knitting wool in GuildfordHeathener said:
No Leon. You aren't. The vaguest comment that disagrees with you and you take that as a green light to respond with increasingly personal foul-mouthed abuse. There's a big difference and if you don't see that then that's very sad.Leon said:CorrectHorseBattery said:
Leon was horrible to me when I was going through a crisis.Heathener said:
Leon is a thoroughly nasty shit to people on here day after day. I suppose he gets away with it because everyone knows he was once a successful author, albeit at a time when he could publish that kind of pre #MeToo trope.CorrectHorseBattery said:I never called the moderators c*nts either. I made a perfectly reasonable point that they ban people who use it once and not others who use it daily.
But behind all of the rudeness and bluster and exhibitionism there lies a quite lonely, insecure, and somewhat sad old man. And I genuinely do feel sorry for him in that. He has had deep dark mental health issues.
I very much doubt that. I am careful not to be mean to people who are clearly in a bad place
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EXC @theipaper
Tories trail Labour by 10 points in new @BMGResearch poll - taken even before the current chaos erupted.
Shows Starmer is potentially on course for a majority - pending Durham Police, and events in the Conservative party.
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It does seem to be a key element of how it works. Where they talk about 'training data', that's all the world's art and photography libraries (one assumes) that has been run through it. Don't get me wrong; it's very clever, just not imo extremely radical.Leon said:
No, that’s not how it worksLuckyguy1983 said:
The actual Flintstone's content there is very low. Outfits, jewellery, hairstyles on the ladies are totally different. I'm not 'knocking' the technology; it's interesting. But I think I'm missing something. It just runs through hundreds of thousands of stock images on a database and finesses them into a single image using the command - is that right? That's impressive but not an unexpected or radical development surely?turbotubbs said:
Hair colours totally wrong for Betty and Barny. Fail.Leon said:The Flintstones as real people
It’s weird how DALL-E hasn’t *quite* mastered eyes and noses - yet. I suspect this is a lagging glitch from its former constraint - don’t use faces
Here
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I think its more the straw that broke the camel's back.MarqueeMark said:
It's interesting how Boris lying about Partygate to the House seems to have been something Boris loyalists could forgive, but lying about having been told about Pincher seems to have caused the End of Days for these folk.....Scott_xP said:NEW: Two sources tell me Lee Anderson is about to put a statement out against Boris Johnson
Would be a significant Red Wall loyalist to turn against the PM
https://twitter.com/AVMikhailova/status/1544609162474184704
Being wrong once is something many people are prepared to give the benefit of the doubt over and let you carry on over. Continuing to do so, even after you've just been put on notice, is a much bigger deal even if its on a less serious issue.
I've used the analogy before that to me Boris had committed Gross Misconduct so he had to go. But for many MPs they seem to have determined he was on a Final Written Warning instead. Doing again what got you on a warning, only a few weeks later, is bloody stupid and terminal.1 -
I reckon he's very representative of at least one Tory member.CorrectHorseBattery said:We dismiss HYUFD but he might be very representative of Tory members
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Or he might be quite a fringe....CorrectHorseBattery said:We dismiss HYUFD but he might be very representative of Tory members
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Mr Johnson’s personal ratings stand at -44 with 20 per cent of voters saying they approve of the job he is doing and 64 per cent unhappy with his performance.
Sir Keir’s net ratings are zero, as 30 per cent of those polled said they backed his leadership of Labour and another 30 per cent were dissatisfied.
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Another one - this time from a 2019 intake Red Wall culture warrior… https://twitter.com/elenicourea/status/15446106114427289660
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5 Live has the MP's panel now.
They are putting out a request on air for a Boris supporting MP to come on and defend him in public.
Unable to find one thus far.0 -
One Tory MP - who is a loyalist to Boris Johnson - tells me that he's 'totally fucked'
'There's no way out for him. It's over'
Thoughts moving to Tory leadership contest
They think it will come down to a Boris loyalist vs an anti-Boris candidate, most likely Sunak vs Zahawi
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Sexual assault should be illegal, and having a drink after work should never have been made illegal.MarqueeMark said:
It's interesting how Boris lying about Partygate to the House seems to have been something Boris loyalists could forgive, but lying about having been told about Pincher seems to have caused the End of Days for these folk.....Scott_xP said:NEW: Two sources tell me Lee Anderson is about to put a statement out against Boris Johnson
Would be a significant Red Wall loyalist to turn against the PM
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Encouraged by you, this morning, demanding they rig the electoral system!StuartDickson said:
Thanks for the heads up: Labour intend to bypass parliamentary scrutiny and democracy. Plus ça change.SouthamObserver said:
If Labour does get back into power, the current government has made it much easier to create a much closer relationship with the EU very quietly. When you give up on Parliamentary democracy, as the Tories have done, don't be surprised if the executive tools you have created to bypass scrutiny are used in ways that you do not like.Jonathan said:
Labour needs the next election to be about the economy and catastrophic public services, not an ideological battle for Brexit returning red wall voters to the Tories.StuartDickson said:
Labour cannot appease Brexiteers. They must be confronted and defeated.Jonathan said:
The person who will be most delighted if the chaos of the Brexit wars resumes is Boris.Roger said:
Labour's problem is that so far they have only one policy which is to maintain the draconian Brexit but fix the Norhern Ireland protocol.pigeon said:
That's why the best outcome to the next election is one that leaves Labour as weak as possible, without the bloody Tories actually winning it again.StuartDickson said:
I think the Conservatives need a period in opposition. About a century will do.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Dickson, and that terrible decision is with him as Defence Secretary. You think a Nadine Dorries or similar would be better for Defence?
PR Mr Starmer. PR.
If Labour is miles short of a majority, doubts its ability ever to win one again, has a large and potentially resurgent Conservative Opposition breathing down its neck, and ends up reliant on both the SNP and the Liberal Democrats, then they might be persuaded to yield.
The likelihood of Labour abandoning FPTP if it wins outright is nil.
As perhaps only twenty people in the country understand the Northern Ireland protocol and even less care it's not going to have them queuing round the blocks at polling stations.
Meanwhile the door is open to anyone who wants to attract the now 60% in these islands who want the whole madcap scheme to be addressed as a matter of urgency.
In short. Is Starmer's Labour party fit for purpose? I don't think so. Does Starmer understand this politics business? I don't think so. The first rule of politics is to find policies that voters want and the first rule of selling those policies is remember the first rule of copywriting. People don't want a drill they want a hole.
Starmer surrendered yesterday: he is not fit for purpose. Labourites better pray that Durham police do their work for them.
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Looking at the number and type of Tory MPs now openly opposed to Johnson, there is absolutely no way he avoids or wins a vote of confidence. He must know that, so the only logical reason for him to hang on is because he plans to ignore the result by claiming he has a mandate from the British people. That means either a vote of no confidence in him from the full House of Commons or the Queen having to fire him. Either would be a suitably unique and shameful way for Johnson's time to end.0
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Support rapidly draining from Boris Johnson. Many of these MPs and ministers won’t be known to voters but they represent all wings of the Conservative Party. Several previously backed him. No Prime Minister can fight this level of opposition in their own party for long. #Johnson
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Understand PM tried to argue with some MPs in tea rooms yesterday that he doesn’t even really know Chris Pincher and that everyone deserves a second chance. Am told he got short shrift from a fair few of them.
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It shouldn't be surprised that Boris Johnson is bloody stupid. Whilst Partygate and the Gray Report and the Met investigation were not in his control, everything else is. And time after time after time after time he has shat the bed. Self-inflicted stupid unforced error after error.BartholomewRoberts said:
I think its more the straw that broke the camel's back.MarqueeMark said:
It's interesting how Boris lying about Partygate to the House seems to have been something Boris loyalists could forgive, but lying about having been told about Pincher seems to have caused the End of Days for these folk.....Scott_xP said:NEW: Two sources tell me Lee Anderson is about to put a statement out against Boris Johnson
Would be a significant Red Wall loyalist to turn against the PM
https://twitter.com/AVMikhailova/status/1544609162474184704
Being wrong once is something many people are prepared to give the benefit of the doubt over and let you carry on over. Continuing to do so, even after you've just been put on notice, is a much bigger deal even if its on a less serious issue.
I've used the analogy before that to me Boris had committed Gross Misconduct so he had to go. But for many MPs they seem to have determined he was on a Final Written Warning instead. Doing again what got you on a warning, only a few weeks later, is bloody stupid and terminal.
And yet these wazzock MPs say he is not only the best person to lead the country, that he is the *only* person who can do so.1 -
As a big fan of our next PM, PM, I would acknowledge that her resignation would not have altered Boris's decision to stay, so she was probably right to save it for later. I wonder whether she was offered a promotion - I suspect not.noneoftheabove said:
Some people think contenders need to stay loyal. Others that the contenders need to leave.rottenborough said:Surely Mordaunt needs to walk this morning just before PMQs to have chance in leadership?
Not sure it makes much difference myself, can see good and bad ways to navigate and explain either decision, and also different chains of events that favour either option over the other.0 -
He will vote. I think he is worth listening to, even if a fringercs1000 said:
I reckon he's very representative of at least one Tory member.CorrectHorseBattery said:We dismiss HYUFD but he might be very representative of Tory members
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Miles to go yet.tlg86 said:I'm calling peak HYUFD.
HYUFD said:
Halfon was also a Remainer thoughrottenborough said:Halfon has turned.
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The problem is that most cabinet ministers know the only reason they are there is because Bozo the clown doesn't have anyone else willing to do the job and if someone else was PM they would be back on the backbenches...Sandpit said:
The MPs having failed to unseat him, it’s now up to the Cabinet collectively - but they don’t seem particularly up for it either, especially not a fortnight before they’ve booked to be on a beach somewhere.MarqueeMark said:
"Boris backers" have bugger all to work with.dixiedean said:Another thing Boris backers on the radio keep bringing up is he even caught COVID.
That isn't a positive. Nor is it unusual.
But they seem to think it is a clincher.
Can we all agree - he isn't leading the Tories into the next election? That being a given, the issue is the mechanics and timing of moving him out.
A couple more Cabinet resignations before PMQs might do the job.
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Not necessarily - he just hangs on hoping something will turn up. Maybe he'll win them over at PMQs? Maybe Starmer will get his penalty and resign? Maybe Putin will fire a nuclear weapon at a load of Labour seats?SouthamObserver said:Looking at the number and type of Tory MPs now openly opposed to Johnson, there is absolutely no way he avoids or wins a vote of confidence. He must know that, so the only logical reason for him to hang on is because he plans to ignore the result by claiming he has a mandate from the British people. That means either a vote of no confidence in him from the full House of Commons or the Queen having to fire him. Either would be a suitably unique and shameful way for Johnson's time to end.
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Meanwhile - Chris Pincher spotted in Whitehall this morning
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Or he calls a GE.SouthamObserver said:Looking at the number and type of Tory MPs now openly opposed to Johnson, there is absolutely no way he avoids or wins a vote of confidence. He must know that, so the only logical reason for him to hang on is because he plans to ignore the result by claiming he has a mandate from the British people. That means either a vote of no confidence in him from the full House of Commons or the Queen having to fire him. Either would be a suitably unique and shameful way for Johnson's time to end.
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Any decent investigative journalists left in England? Get to work.Scott_xP said:Britain's new finance minister. https://www.ft.com/content/4baebf68-24b4-4f4c-9894-c6fbbbd505e8 https://twitter.com/jsphctrl/status/1544584719341330434/photo/1
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“The leader they saw beat Corbyn in 2019 is now as unpopular as the man he defeated. With a net satisfaction rating of -44, Johnson now matches Jeremy Corbyn’s ratings at the lowest point in his time as Labour leader.
BoJo, the Corbyn of Labour0 -
The problem for Boris is that the MPs only just gave him a 'second chance'.Scott_xP said:Understand PM tried to argue with some MPs in tea rooms yesterday that he doesn’t even really know Chris Pincher and that everyone deserves a second chance. Am told he got short shrift from a fair few of them.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1544615740120211456
And he's gone and followed it up by saying something that isn't true - again!
Second chance had and now used up. No third chance, this isn't baseball.
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Should Labour call a confidence vote in Parliament? Not being firmly ruled out but no huge enthusiasm. Senior aides think it would unite Tory benches again. But some more ruthlessly politically-minded types think forcing Tories to vote confidence in Johnson govt is good for Lab.
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Mr. Battery, if he attempted to call a GE having lost the support of his party (and, thereby, the Commons) the Queen would be well-advised to decline his request.0
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Really - I suspect Bozo thinks he has 11 months to turn things round....Scott_xP said:Support rapidly draining from Boris Johnson. Many of these MPs and ministers won’t be known to voters but they represent all wings of the Conservative Party. Several previously backed him. No Prime Minister can fight this level of opposition in their own party for long. #Johnson
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Westminster voting intention:
LAB: 42% (+7)
CON: 32% (-7)
LDEM: 11% (+2)
GRN: 4% (-2)
REF: 4% (+1)
via @BMGResearch, 28 Jun - 01 Jul
Chgs. w/ Apr 2021 (!)0 -
I don't think she would.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Battery, if he attempted to call a GE having lost the support of his party (and, thereby, the Commons) the Queen would be well-advised to decline his request.
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Lee Anderson withdraws support.0
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His only route now frankly is a GE. Or he's out.0
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Imagine if he has to resign.ping said:If Boris lasts more than a few more hours, Zahawi’s finances will come under proper scrutiny.
He’s unfit to be Chancellor.
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He has 1 hour and 20 minutes to turn things round.eek said:
Really - I suspect Bozo thinks he has 11 months to turn things round....Scott_xP said:Support rapidly draining from Boris Johnson. Many of these MPs and ministers won’t be known to voters but they represent all wings of the Conservative Party. Several previously backed him. No Prime Minister can fight this level of opposition in their own party for long. #Johnson
https://twitter.com/BBCVickiYoung/status/1544615727218540544
I find it hard to believe he won't resign before PMQs. Even with just over an hour to go.0 -
You can always see your email address when logged in. To check, visit your profile when logged out.OllyT said:
Thanks to you and Selebian - I had no idea my email address was being displayed.bondegezou said:
Go to your profile, presumably https://vf.politicalbetting.com/profile/OllyT In the top right, there is an edit profile option. Go to that, there is then a tickbox to show or hot show your email to other members.OllyT said:How do you stop your email address being publicly on show?
I have ticked the lower box but when I click on my avatar it still displays my email address. What am I doing wrong?
As someone else pointed out, your profile is set to private anyway, so everyone apart from you (and mods) sees only a message saying your profile is private if they click through (not even access to a list of your posts)0 -
And if she replied to her email from Rob she would be back posting. Give it a rest.CorrectHorseBattery said:"She wasn't banned"
"It was just a technical issue"
"Perhaps her Internet is faulty"
I am sure I will get an apology for all the people that said I was wrong. If we'd taken their advice Moon would still be in trouble.2 -
He quite literally and explicitly said he wasn't going to change.BartholomewRoberts said:
The problem for Boris is that the MPs only just gave him a 'second chance'.Scott_xP said:Understand PM tried to argue with some MPs in tea rooms yesterday that he doesn’t even really know Chris Pincher and that everyone deserves a second chance. Am told he got short shrift from a fair few of them.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1544615740120211456
And he's gone and followed it up by saying something that isn't true - again!
Second chance had and now used up. No third chance, this isn't baseball.
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.0 -
What, in the absence of Boris, is a Boris loyalist? What is the political philosophy known as Borisism that a future PM might be loyal to?Scott_xP said:One Tory MP - who is a loyalist to Boris Johnson - tells me that he's 'totally fucked'
'There's no way out for him. It's over'
Thoughts moving to Tory leadership contest
They think it will come down to a Boris loyalist vs an anti-Boris candidate, most likely Sunak vs Zahawi
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BartholomewRoberts said:
The problem for Boris is that the MPs only just gave him a 'second chance'.Scott_xP said:Understand PM tried to argue with some MPs in tea rooms yesterday that he doesn’t even really know Chris Pincher and that everyone deserves a second chance. Am told he got short shrift from a fair few of them.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1544615740120211456
And he's gone and followed it up by saying something that isn't true - again!
Second chance had and now used up. No third chance, this isn't baseball.
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, to think it possible you are mistaken, Boris
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Mr. Battery, tough choice if she has to make it.0
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Johnson moaning about any 1922 committee rule change is hilarious given he’s never played by the rules .1
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Didn't know you'd joined the moderation team Tubbsturbotubbs said:
And if she replied to her email from Rob she would be back posting. Give it a rest.CorrectHorseBattery said:"She wasn't banned"
"It was just a technical issue"
"Perhaps her Internet is faulty"
I am sure I will get an apology for all the people that said I was wrong. If we'd taken their advice Moon would still be in trouble.0 -
The Cabinet wouldn't support it.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Or he calls a GE.SouthamObserver said:Looking at the number and type of Tory MPs now openly opposed to Johnson, there is absolutely no way he avoids or wins a vote of confidence. He must know that, so the only logical reason for him to hang on is because he plans to ignore the result by claiming he has a mandate from the British people. That means either a vote of no confidence in him from the full House of Commons or the Queen having to fire him. Either would be a suitably unique and shameful way for Johnson's time to end.
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One senior figure on the '22 tells me that they now favour a delegation going to tell Boris Johnson that it is over, and that they'll change the rules if he won't resign
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That's how May went, wasn't it?Scott_xP said:One senior figure on the '22 tells me that they now favour a delegation going to tell Boris Johnson that it is over, and that they'll change the rules if he won't resign
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Hard and pure Brexit.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What, in the absence of Boris, is a Boris loyalist? What is the political philosophy known as Borisism that a future PM might be loyal to?Scott_xP said:One Tory MP - who is a loyalist to Boris Johnson - tells me that he's 'totally fucked'
'There's no way out for him. It's over'
Thoughts moving to Tory leadership contest
They think it will come down to a Boris loyalist vs an anti-Boris candidate, most likely Sunak vs Zahawi
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/15446156297638748220
