I never called the moderators c*nts either. I made a perfectly reasonable point that they ban people who use it once and not others who use it daily.
Leon is a thoroughly nasty shit to people on here day after day. I suppose he gets away with it because everyone knows he was once a successful author, albeit at a time when he could publish that kind of pre #MeToo trope.
But behind all of the rudeness and bluster and exhibitionism there lies a quite lonely, insecure, and somewhat sad old man. And I genuinely do feel sorry for him in that. He has had deep dark mental health issues.
Leon was horrible to me when I was going through a crisis.
I very much doubt that. I am careful not to be mean to people who are clearly in a bad place
I am generally only mean to people who do it to me first. As here with @heathener today
No Leon. You aren't. The vaguest comment that disagrees with you and you take that as a green light to respond with increasingly personal foul-mouthed abuse. There's a big difference and if you don't see that then that's very sad.
It's a bit off that she ignores me, but complains to you.
It's a bit off that some posters insisted she wasn't banned
There's a lot of soft moderation that goes on. The posters on here don't get to see my personal email messages.
Broadly speaking there are four levels of PB access:
(1) admin - who can post what they like and never get trapped in the spam or abuse filter (2) member - can post, but will occasionally trigger vanilla thinking they are posting spam (3) applicant - a soft ban, usually requiring only an email response to clear up (4) actual ban - which can be revoked, but only manually
And no, I'm not upgrading you to admin status.
The last thing I would want to be is an Admin here.
The 2 things no one sane would every want to be is a politician and / or a Moderator on a public forum...
How do you stop your email address being publicly on show?
Edit profile (top right on VF on desktop at least). Check box under your email address (which should not be ticked if wanting to hide)
OllyT’s profile is set to private anyway, so the option’s setting is irrelevant.
I think that is because I just changed the profile. Perhaps the email is only visible when I click my avatar but not if anyone else does? I'm not that bothered to be honest it was more that I was completely unaware of it.
It's a bit off that she ignores me, but complains to you.
It's a bit off that some posters insisted she wasn't banned
There's a lot of soft moderation that goes on. The posters on here don't get to see my personal email messages.
Broadly speaking there are four levels of PB access:
(1) admin - who can post what they like and never get trapped in the spam or abuse filter (2) member - can post, but will occasionally trigger vanilla thinking they are posting spam (3) applicant - a soft ban, usually requiring only an email response to clear up (4) actual ban - which can be revoked, but only manually
And no, I'm not upgrading you to admin status.
The last thing I would want to be is an Admin here.
Being an Admin on a forum is a difficult and thankless task... although surely it's preferable to being in Boris Johnson's Cabinet? I'd rather be an Admin here than, say, the replacement minister for schools standards.
BRUTAL interview by Johnson loyalist Murrison: "He needs to go now. He can't be dragged out of No 10. We're not a banana republic. We don't have people clinging on to power when they've lost all support in their party and the country."
Anyway, have a nice day everyone and be good to one another. The world is dark enough right now without us spreading it.
I wish you all well and I really like it that for the most part I can have sensible, honest, conversation with people right across the political spectrum. There are good people on all sides and they are well represented here.
Another thing Boris backers on the radio keep bringing up is he even caught COVID. That isn't a positive. Nor is it unusual. But they seem to think it is a clincher.
How do you stop your email address being publicly on show?
Edit profile (top right on VF on desktop at least). Check box under your email address (which should not be ticked if wanting to hide)
OllyT’s profile is set to private anyway, so the option’s setting is irrelevant.
I think that is because I just changed the profile. Perhaps the email is only visible when I click my avatar but not if anyone else does? I'm not that bothered to be honest it was more that I was completely unaware of it.
We can't even see your profile anymore, so no email visible.
How do you stop your email address being publicly on show?
Edit profile (top right on VF on desktop at least). Check box under your email address (which should not be ticked if wanting to hide)
OllyT’s profile is set to private anyway, so the option’s setting is irrelevant.
I think that is because I just changed the profile. Perhaps the email is only visible when I click my avatar but not if anyone else does? I'm not that bothered to be honest it was more that I was completely unaware of it.
It's a bit off that she ignores me, but complains to you.
It's a bit off that some posters insisted she wasn't banned
There's a lot of soft moderation that goes on. The posters on here don't get to see my personal email messages.
Broadly speaking there are four levels of PB access:
(1) admin - who can post what they like and never get trapped in the spam or abuse filter (2) member - can post, but will occasionally trigger vanilla thinking they are posting spam (3) applicant - a soft ban, usually requiring only an email response to clear up (4) actual ban - which can be revoked, but only manually
And no, I'm not upgrading you to admin status.
Re vanilla, it used to be ridiculously sensitive to posts that referenced certain pills that would apparently stiffen the make member, and would unceramoniously dump people down to applicant for mentioning them.
It’s weird how DALL-E hasn’t *quite* mastered eyes and noses - yet. I suspect this is a lagging glitch from its former constraint - don’t use faces
Hair colours totally wrong for Betty and Barny. Fail.
The actual Flintstone's content there is very low. Outfits, jewellery, hairstyles on the ladies are totally different. I'm not 'knocking' the technology; it's interesting. But I think I'm missing something. It just runs through hundreds of thousands of stock images on a database and finesses them into a single image using the command - is that right? That's impressive but not an unexpected or radical development surely?
Very tetchy on here today. I guess it's just a quiet news day with nothing much to talk about in the world of UK politics. But still, chill out people! We are all part of the rich PB tapestry.
Intriguingly the most read story on bbc news this morning is about a shop I've only vaguely heard of - The Range - stopping selling weight loss countdown coin savers - an item I had no idea ever existed in the first place!
Another thing Boris backers on the radio keep bringing up is he even caught COVID. That isn't a positive. Nor is it unusual. But they seem to think it is a clincher.
"Boris backers" have bugger all to work with.
Can we all agree - he isn't leading the Tories into the next election? That being a given, the issue is the mechanics and timing of moving him out.
A couple more Cabinet resignations before PMQs might do the job.
Jesus Christ! Him and Jonathan Gullis? Who is next - Matt Vickers? These people literally only exist because of the Dead Dog, and have been moronically loyal.
Assuming that these people voted confidence in Boris whilst he was giving them a job, we must surely be at the point where Boris would now lose a further VONC.
The "nothing to see here, move along" air of attempted normality does seem quietly comical. You're out, Boris. Accept it, with a smidgeon of dignity. Or cling on like Trump - and be laughed at by history. They are the two options.
I like to imagine there is a different between Johnson and Trump, that Boris is, for all his many faults, not actually as bad as the Donald. Maybe I am naïve in that respect?
I can believe that Boris Johnson will stoop to many depths, but I do not think he is likely to call a rally of his supporters and ask them to march on Parliament to stop the Remainers from ousting him.
So I believe that at least one clear difference is a reluctance to use physical violence to attempt to retain power.
Boris appears to be considerably less competent than Trump....
Anyway, the disastrous Conservative car crash continues.
They have to stop this and fast. The more this goes on, the more likely a Labour victory becomes and the longer the wilderness years will be. Remember this.
When the Tories replaced Thatcher in 1990 they may have scraped home in 1992 but lost by their worst landslide defeat in 1997 since 1832 and were in the wilderness for 13 years.
Had they kept Thatcher even had they lost in 1992 it would not have been as bad as their 1997 defeat and they may even have beaten PM Kinnock in 1997
I never called the moderators c*nts either. I made a perfectly reasonable point that they ban people who use it once and not others who use it daily.
Leon is a thoroughly nasty shit to people on here day after day. I suppose he gets away with it because everyone knows he was once a successful author, albeit at a time when he could publish that kind of pre #MeToo trope.
But behind all of the rudeness and bluster and exhibitionism there lies a quite lonely, insecure, and somewhat sad old man. And I genuinely do feel sorry for him in that. He has had deep dark mental health issues.
Leon was horrible to me when I was going through a crisis.
I very much doubt that. I am careful not to be mean to people who are clearly in a bad place
I am generally only mean to people who do it to me first. As here with @heathener today
No Leon. You aren't. The vaguest comment that disagrees with you and you take that as a green light to respond with increasingly personal foul-mouthed abuse. There's a big difference and if you don't see that then that's very sad.
Yes whatever yawn bye. Go and buy some more knitting wool in Guildford
Another thing Boris backers on the radio keep bringing up is he even caught COVID. That isn't a positive. Nor is it unusual. But they seem to think it is a clincher.
"Boris backers" have bugger all to work with.
Can we all agree - he isn't leading the Tories into the next election? That being a given, the issue is the mechanics and timing of moving him out.
A couple more Cabinet resignations before PMQs might do the job.
Gove going would be a wonderful bookend to the Boris saga. I am quite surprised he hasn’t seized the opportunity yet.
From one of your earlier posts it's 50 out of 59 seats cunning, so..
There's quite plentiful evidence that the SNP is prepared to compromise Scotland's present welfare to achieve the promised land tomorrow. I just wonder when you think that stops. Presumably you think a some sort of switch flips when the keys are handed over, and Government in Scotland becomes truly selfless and cleansed of all cynicism.
Surely Mordaunt needs to walk this morning just before PMQs to have chance in leadership?
Some people think contenders need to stay loyal. Others that the contenders need to leave.
Not sure it makes much difference myself, can see good and bad ways to navigate and explain either decision, and also different chains of events that favour either option over the other.
We dismiss HYUFD but he might be very representative of Tory members
He's as representative of Tory members as bigjohnowls is representative of Labour members.
No individual person is representative of members of a large party. Large parties have a plethora of members who are very different from each other, there are many wings to the Tory Party just as there are to Labour.
Anyway, the disastrous Conservative car crash continues.
They have to stop this and fast. The more this goes on, the more likely a Labour victory becomes and the longer the wilderness years will be. Remember this.
When the Tories replaced Thatcher in 1990 they may have scraped home in 1992 but lost by their worst landslide defeat in 1997 and were in the wilderness for 13 years.
Had they kept Thatcher even had they lost in 1992 it would not have been assad as their 1997 defeat and they may even have beaten PM Kinnock in 1997
Had they kept Thatcher, they would have lost badly in 1992. The electorate don't often vote a government out after one term, so Labour would have been well-positioned in 1997. I can't see what particular factors would have gotten voters flocking back to the Tories in 1997 after a 1992 defeat.
Another thing Boris backers on the radio keep bringing up is he even caught COVID. That isn't a positive. Nor is it unusual. But they seem to think it is a clincher.
"Boris backers" have bugger all to work with.
Can we all agree - he isn't leading the Tories into the next election? That being a given, the issue is the mechanics and timing of moving him out.
A couple more Cabinet resignations before PMQs might do the job.
The MPs having failed to unseat him, it’s now up to the Cabinet collectively - but they don’t seem particularly up for it either, especially not a fortnight before they’ve booked to be on a beach somewhere.
One or two resignations is easy enough to deal with, but if they’d all resigned at their meeting yesterday…
We dismiss HYUFD but he might be very representative of Tory members
He's as representative of Tory members as bigjohnowls is representative of Labour members.
No individual person is representative of members of a large party. Large parties have a plethora of members who are very different from each other, there are many wings to the Tory Party just as there are to Labour.
Yes and BJO despite his nonsense is worth reading. Just as HYUFD is.
It's interesting how Boris lying about Partygate to the House seems to have been something Boris loyalists could forgive, but lying about having been told about Pincher seems to have caused the End of Days for these folk.....
This will come as no surprise to those who know me but I have written to Graham Brady asking for a rule change governing the holding of confidence votes & a further confidence vote to be held. Change is needed & needed now: for the sake of our Country, my constituents & my Party https://twitter.com/Simon4NDorset/status/1544609047437053953
Mr. Dickson, and that terrible decision is with him as Defence Secretary. You think a Nadine Dorries or similar would be better for Defence?
I think the Conservatives need a period in opposition. About a century will do.
PR Mr Starmer. PR.
That's why the best outcome to the next election is one that leaves Labour as weak as possible, without the bloody Tories actually winning it again.
If Labour is miles short of a majority, doubts its ability ever to win one again, has a large and potentially resurgent Conservative Opposition breathing down its neck, and ends up reliant on both the SNP and the Liberal Democrats, then they might be persuaded to yield.
The likelihood of Labour abandoning FPTP if it wins outright is nil.
Labour's problem is that so far they have only one policy which is to maintain the draconian Brexit but fix the Norhern Ireland protocol.
As perhaps only twenty people in the country understand the Northern Ireland protocol and even less care it's not going to have them queuing round the blocks at polling stations.
Meanwhile the door is open to anyone who wants to attract the now 60% in these islands who want the whole madcap scheme to be addressed as a matter of urgency.
In short. Is Starmer's Labour party fit for purpose? I don't think so. Does Starmer understand this politics business? I don't think so. The first rule of politics is to find policies that voters want and the first rule of selling those policies is remember the first rule of copywriting. People don't want a drill they want a hole.
The person who will be most delighted if the chaos of the Brexit wars resumes is Boris.
Labour cannot appease Brexiteers. They must be confronted and defeated.
Starmer surrendered yesterday: he is not fit for purpose. Labourites better pray that Durham police do their work for them.
Labour needs the next election to be about the economy and catastrophic public services, not an ideological battle for Brexit returning red wall voters to the Tories.
I expect there will be a time one day to reset our relationship with the EU. Some things have to come first.
If Labour does get back into power, the current government has made it much easier to create a much closer relationship with the EU very quietly. When you give up on Parliamentary democracy, as the Tories have done, don't be surprised if the executive tools you have created to bypass scrutiny are used in ways that you do not like.
Thanks for the heads up: Labour intend to bypass parliamentary scrutiny and democracy. Plus ça change.
From one of your earlier posts it's 50 out of 59 seats cunning, so..
There's quite plentiful evidence that the SNP is prepared to compromise Scotland's present welfare to achieve the promised land tomorrow. I just wonder when you think that stops. Presumably you think a some sort of switch flips when the keys are handed over, and Government in Scotland becomes truly selfless and cleansed of all cynicism.
I don’t think I’m particularly stupid, but I really don’t have a clue about what point you’re trying to make.
I never called the moderators c*nts either. I made a perfectly reasonable point that they ban people who use it once and not others who use it daily.
Leon is a thoroughly nasty shit to people on here day after day. I suppose he gets away with it because everyone knows he was once a successful author, albeit at a time when he could publish that kind of pre #MeToo trope.
But behind all of the rudeness and bluster and exhibitionism there lies a quite lonely, insecure, and somewhat sad old man. And I genuinely do feel sorry for him in that. He has had deep dark mental health issues.
Leon was horrible to me when I was going through a crisis.
I very much doubt that. I am careful not to be mean to people who are clearly in a bad place
I am generally only mean to people who do it to me first. As here with @heathener today
No Leon. You aren't. The vaguest comment that disagrees with you and you take that as a green light to respond with increasingly personal foul-mouthed abuse. There's a big difference and if you don't see that then that's very sad.
Yes whatever yawn bye. Go and buy some more knitting wool in Guildford
Do you know there's actually an absence of wool shops in Guildford, though there are a couple of places in the Greater Guildford area.
It’s weird how DALL-E hasn’t *quite* mastered eyes and noses - yet. I suspect this is a lagging glitch from its former constraint - don’t use faces
Hair colours totally wrong for Betty and Barny. Fail.
The actual Flintstone's content there is very low. Outfits, jewellery, hairstyles on the ladies are totally different. I'm not 'knocking' the technology; it's interesting. But I think I'm missing something. It just runs through hundreds of thousands of stock images on a database and finesses them into a single image using the command - is that right? That's impressive but not an unexpected or radical development surely?
It does seem to be a key element of how it works. Where they talk about 'training data', that's all the world's art and photography libraries (one assumes) that has been run through it. Don't get me wrong; it's very clever, just not imo extremely radical.
It's interesting how Boris lying about Partygate to the House seems to have been something Boris loyalists could forgive, but lying about having been told about Pincher seems to have caused the End of Days for these folk.....
I think its more the straw that broke the camel's back.
Being wrong once is something many people are prepared to give the benefit of the doubt over and let you carry on over. Continuing to do so, even after you've just been put on notice, is a much bigger deal even if its on a less serious issue.
I've used the analogy before that to me Boris had committed Gross Misconduct so he had to go. But for many MPs they seem to have determined he was on a Final Written Warning instead. Doing again what got you on a warning, only a few weeks later, is bloody stupid and terminal.
Mr Johnson’s personal ratings stand at -44 with 20 per cent of voters saying they approve of the job he is doing and 64 per cent unhappy with his performance.
Sir Keir’s net ratings are zero, as 30 per cent of those polled said they backed his leadership of Labour and another 30 per cent were dissatisfied.
5 Live has the MP's panel now. They are putting out a request on air for a Boris supporting MP to come on and defend him in public. Unable to find one thus far.
It's interesting how Boris lying about Partygate to the House seems to have been something Boris loyalists could forgive, but lying about having been told about Pincher seems to have caused the End of Days for these folk.....
Sexual assault should be illegal, and having a drink after work should never have been made illegal.
Mr. Dickson, and that terrible decision is with him as Defence Secretary. You think a Nadine Dorries or similar would be better for Defence?
I think the Conservatives need a period in opposition. About a century will do.
PR Mr Starmer. PR.
That's why the best outcome to the next election is one that leaves Labour as weak as possible, without the bloody Tories actually winning it again.
If Labour is miles short of a majority, doubts its ability ever to win one again, has a large and potentially resurgent Conservative Opposition breathing down its neck, and ends up reliant on both the SNP and the Liberal Democrats, then they might be persuaded to yield.
The likelihood of Labour abandoning FPTP if it wins outright is nil.
Labour's problem is that so far they have only one policy which is to maintain the draconian Brexit but fix the Norhern Ireland protocol.
As perhaps only twenty people in the country understand the Northern Ireland protocol and even less care it's not going to have them queuing round the blocks at polling stations.
Meanwhile the door is open to anyone who wants to attract the now 60% in these islands who want the whole madcap scheme to be addressed as a matter of urgency.
In short. Is Starmer's Labour party fit for purpose? I don't think so. Does Starmer understand this politics business? I don't think so. The first rule of politics is to find policies that voters want and the first rule of selling those policies is remember the first rule of copywriting. People don't want a drill they want a hole.
The person who will be most delighted if the chaos of the Brexit wars resumes is Boris.
Labour cannot appease Brexiteers. They must be confronted and defeated.
Starmer surrendered yesterday: he is not fit for purpose. Labourites better pray that Durham police do their work for them.
Labour needs the next election to be about the economy and catastrophic public services, not an ideological battle for Brexit returning red wall voters to the Tories.
I expect there will be a time one day to reset our relationship with the EU. Some things have to come first.
If Labour does get back into power, the current government has made it much easier to create a much closer relationship with the EU very quietly. When you give up on Parliamentary democracy, as the Tories have done, don't be surprised if the executive tools you have created to bypass scrutiny are used in ways that you do not like.
Thanks for the heads up: Labour intend to bypass parliamentary scrutiny and democracy. Plus ça change.
Encouraged by you, this morning, demanding they rig the electoral system!
Looking at the number and type of Tory MPs now openly opposed to Johnson, there is absolutely no way he avoids or wins a vote of confidence. He must know that, so the only logical reason for him to hang on is because he plans to ignore the result by claiming he has a mandate from the British people. That means either a vote of no confidence in him from the full House of Commons or the Queen having to fire him. Either would be a suitably unique and shameful way for Johnson's time to end.
Support rapidly draining from Boris Johnson. Many of these MPs and ministers won’t be known to voters but they represent all wings of the Conservative Party. Several previously backed him. No Prime Minister can fight this level of opposition in their own party for long. #Johnson https://twitter.com/BBCVickiYoung/status/1544615727218540544
Understand PM tried to argue with some MPs in tea rooms yesterday that he doesn’t even really know Chris Pincher and that everyone deserves a second chance. Am told he got short shrift from a fair few of them. https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1544615740120211456
It's interesting how Boris lying about Partygate to the House seems to have been something Boris loyalists could forgive, but lying about having been told about Pincher seems to have caused the End of Days for these folk.....
I think its more the straw that broke the camel's back.
Being wrong once is something many people are prepared to give the benefit of the doubt over and let you carry on over. Continuing to do so, even after you've just been put on notice, is a much bigger deal even if its on a less serious issue.
I've used the analogy before that to me Boris had committed Gross Misconduct so he had to go. But for many MPs they seem to have determined he was on a Final Written Warning instead. Doing again what got you on a warning, only a few weeks later, is bloody stupid and terminal.
It shouldn't be surprised that Boris Johnson is bloody stupid. Whilst Partygate and the Gray Report and the Met investigation were not in his control, everything else is. And time after time after time after time he has shat the bed. Self-inflicted stupid unforced error after error.
And yet these wazzock MPs say he is not only the best person to lead the country, that he is the *only* person who can do so.
Surely Mordaunt needs to walk this morning just before PMQs to have chance in leadership?
Some people think contenders need to stay loyal. Others that the contenders need to leave.
Not sure it makes much difference myself, can see good and bad ways to navigate and explain either decision, and also different chains of events that favour either option over the other.
As a big fan of our next PM, PM, I would acknowledge that her resignation would not have altered Boris's decision to stay, so she was probably right to save it for later. I wonder whether she was offered a promotion - I suspect not.
Another thing Boris backers on the radio keep bringing up is he even caught COVID. That isn't a positive. Nor is it unusual. But they seem to think it is a clincher.
"Boris backers" have bugger all to work with.
Can we all agree - he isn't leading the Tories into the next election? That being a given, the issue is the mechanics and timing of moving him out.
A couple more Cabinet resignations before PMQs might do the job.
The MPs having failed to unseat him, it’s now up to the Cabinet collectively - but they don’t seem particularly up for it either, especially not a fortnight before they’ve booked to be on a beach somewhere.
One or two resignations is easy enough to deal with, but if they’d all resigned at their meeting yesterday…
The problem is that most cabinet ministers know the only reason they are there is because Bozo the clown doesn't have anyone else willing to do the job and if someone else was PM they would be back on the backbenches...
Looking at the number and type of Tory MPs now openly opposed to Johnson, there is absolutely no way he avoids or wins a vote of confidence. He must know that, so the only logical reason for him to hang on is because he plans to ignore the result by claiming he has a mandate from the British people. That means either a vote of no confidence in him from the full House of Commons or the Queen having to fire him. Either would be a suitably unique and shameful way for Johnson's time to end.
Not necessarily - he just hangs on hoping something will turn up. Maybe he'll win them over at PMQs? Maybe Starmer will get his penalty and resign? Maybe Putin will fire a nuclear weapon at a load of Labour seats?
Looking at the number and type of Tory MPs now openly opposed to Johnson, there is absolutely no way he avoids or wins a vote of confidence. He must know that, so the only logical reason for him to hang on is because he plans to ignore the result by claiming he has a mandate from the British people. That means either a vote of no confidence in him from the full House of Commons or the Queen having to fire him. Either would be a suitably unique and shameful way for Johnson's time to end.
“The leader they saw beat Corbyn in 2019 is now as unpopular as the man he defeated. With a net satisfaction rating of -44, Johnson now matches Jeremy Corbyn’s ratings at the lowest point in his time as Labour leader.
Understand PM tried to argue with some MPs in tea rooms yesterday that he doesn’t even really know Chris Pincher and that everyone deserves a second chance. Am told he got short shrift from a fair few of them. https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1544615740120211456
The problem for Boris is that the MPs only just gave him a 'second chance'.
And he's gone and followed it up by saying something that isn't true - again!
Second chance had and now used up. No third chance, this isn't baseball.
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
Should Labour call a confidence vote in Parliament? Not being firmly ruled out but no huge enthusiasm. Senior aides think it would unite Tory benches again. But some more ruthlessly politically-minded types think forcing Tories to vote confidence in Johnson govt is good for Lab. https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1544616234695761921
Mr. Battery, if he attempted to call a GE having lost the support of his party (and, thereby, the Commons) the Queen would be well-advised to decline his request.
Support rapidly draining from Boris Johnson. Many of these MPs and ministers won’t be known to voters but they represent all wings of the Conservative Party. Several previously backed him. No Prime Minister can fight this level of opposition in their own party for long. #Johnson https://twitter.com/BBCVickiYoung/status/1544615727218540544
Really - I suspect Bozo thinks he has 11 months to turn things round....
Mr. Battery, if he attempted to call a GE having lost the support of his party (and, thereby, the Commons) the Queen would be well-advised to decline his request.
Support rapidly draining from Boris Johnson. Many of these MPs and ministers won’t be known to voters but they represent all wings of the Conservative Party. Several previously backed him. No Prime Minister can fight this level of opposition in their own party for long. #Johnson https://twitter.com/BBCVickiYoung/status/1544615727218540544
Really - I suspect Bozo thinks he has 11 months to turn things round....
He has 1 hour and 20 minutes to turn things round.
I find it hard to believe he won't resign before PMQs. Even with just over an hour to go.
How do you stop your email address being publicly on show?
Go to your profile, presumably https://vf.politicalbetting.com/profile/OllyT In the top right, there is an edit profile option. Go to that, there is then a tickbox to show or hot show your email to other members.
Thanks to you and Selebian - I had no idea my email address was being displayed.
I have ticked the lower box but when I click on my avatar it still displays my email address. What am I doing wrong?
You can always see your email address when logged in. To check, visit your profile when logged out.
As someone else pointed out, your profile is set to private anyway, so everyone apart from you (and mods) sees only a message saying your profile is private if they click through (not even access to a list of your posts)
Understand PM tried to argue with some MPs in tea rooms yesterday that he doesn’t even really know Chris Pincher and that everyone deserves a second chance. Am told he got short shrift from a fair few of them. https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1544615740120211456
The problem for Boris is that the MPs only just gave him a 'second chance'.
And he's gone and followed it up by saying something that isn't true - again!
Second chance had and now used up. No third chance, this isn't baseball.
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
He quite literally and explicitly said he wasn't going to change.
Understand PM tried to argue with some MPs in tea rooms yesterday that he doesn’t even really know Chris Pincher and that everyone deserves a second chance. Am told he got short shrift from a fair few of them. https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1544615740120211456
The problem for Boris is that the MPs only just gave him a 'second chance'.
And he's gone and followed it up by saying something that isn't true - again!
Second chance had and now used up. No third chance, this isn't baseball.
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, to think it possible you are mistaken, Boris
Looking at the number and type of Tory MPs now openly opposed to Johnson, there is absolutely no way he avoids or wins a vote of confidence. He must know that, so the only logical reason for him to hang on is because he plans to ignore the result by claiming he has a mandate from the British people. That means either a vote of no confidence in him from the full House of Commons or the Queen having to fire him. Either would be a suitably unique and shameful way for Johnson's time to end.
One senior figure on the '22 tells me that they now favour a delegation going to tell Boris Johnson that it is over, and that they'll change the rules if he won't resign https://twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/1544617641142370304
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I wish you all well and I really like it that for the most part I can have sensible, honest, conversation with people right across the political spectrum. There are good people on all sides and they are well represented here.
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That isn't a positive. Nor is it unusual.
But they seem to think it is a clincher.
This could have been over weeks ago. Months ago. We could have had a new PM by now - if resignations had been tendered in February.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/06/the-country-is-in-a-dangerous-place-people-are-frightened-andy-burnham-on-power-progress-and-finding-his-place
Here
https://openai.com/dall-e-2/
Definitely a quiet news day.
Can we all agree - he isn't leading the Tories into the next election? That being a given, the issue is the mechanics and timing of moving him out.
A couple more Cabinet resignations before PMQs might do the job.
Being serious, he's been a firm critic of Boris post-partygate, but actually opposed the no confidence vote, so that is another one.
Had they kept Thatcher even had they lost in 1992 it would not have been as bad as their 1997 defeat and they may even have beaten PM Kinnock in 1997
I had the tally at 10 resignations earlier, but that was the same person twice, Sky originally misnamed them.
Not sure it makes much difference myself, can see good and bad ways to navigate and explain either decision, and also different chains of events that favour either option over the other.
No individual person is representative of members of a large party. Large parties have a plethora of members who are very different from each other, there are many wings to the Tory Party just as there are to Labour.
He’s unfit to be Chancellor.
One or two resignations is easy enough to deal with, but if they’d all resigned at their meeting yesterday…
https://twitter.com/Simon4NDorset/status/1544609047437053953
Tories trail Labour by 10 points in new @BMGResearch poll - taken even before the current chaos erupted.
Shows Starmer is potentially on course for a majority - pending Durham Police, and events in the Conservative party.
Lovely, another 10 pointer
Being wrong once is something many people are prepared to give the benefit of the doubt over and let you carry on over. Continuing to do so, even after you've just been put on notice, is a much bigger deal even if its on a less serious issue.
I've used the analogy before that to me Boris had committed Gross Misconduct so he had to go. But for many MPs they seem to have determined he was on a Final Written Warning instead. Doing again what got you on a warning, only a few weeks later, is bloody stupid and terminal.
Sir Keir’s net ratings are zero, as 30 per cent of those polled said they backed his leadership of Labour and another 30 per cent were dissatisfied.
WHY WILL KEIR NOT RESIGN
They are putting out a request on air for a Boris supporting MP to come on and defend him in public.
Unable to find one thus far.
'There's no way out for him. It's over'
Thoughts moving to Tory leadership contest
They think it will come down to a Boris loyalist vs an anti-Boris candidate, most likely Sunak vs Zahawi
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1544615629763874822
https://twitter.com/BBCVickiYoung/status/1544615727218540544
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1544615740120211456
And yet these wazzock MPs say he is not only the best person to lead the country, that he is the *only* person who can do so.
‘No shame’ says an MP
BoJo, the Corbyn of Labour
And he's gone and followed it up by saying something that isn't true - again!
Second chance had and now used up. No third chance, this isn't baseball.
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1544616234695761921
LAB: 42% (+7)
CON: 32% (-7)
LDEM: 11% (+2)
GRN: 4% (-2)
REF: 4% (+1)
via @BMGResearch, 28 Jun - 01 Jul
Chgs. w/ Apr 2021 (!)
I find it hard to believe he won't resign before PMQs. Even with just over an hour to go.
As someone else pointed out, your profile is set to private anyway, so everyone apart from you (and mods) sees only a message saying your profile is private if they click through (not even access to a list of your posts)
I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, to think it possible you are mistaken, Boris
https://twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/1544617641142370304