There is a lot of whingeing today from the pro-Democrats here as well as the "Good v Evil" narrative going on so let me offer a riposte.
As @Alistair - a poster whom I don't share many views on at all - said, there are many ways to stage a coup. You can have armed force but you can equally have the A Very British Coup style. You can also have the coup via the legal system type.
The same types who are whingeing here about what the SC is doing are the same ones who completely ignored Democrats in swing states using their advantage in the legal system to push through a big loosening of voting procedures under the cover of the pandemic. In some cases, eg Pennsylvania, the courts specifically overrode the legislatures. Post-election, some of these measures were found to be illegal eg in Wisconsin but, by then, it was too late. In addition, we had the 'Zuck Bucks', nominally neutral but where much larger amounts were pushed into Democrat areas in swing states.
You didn't care about the courts then overriding the democratic system or the influence of billionaires' money then because it suited your own side and agenda. Your outrage is generated by the fact it's not your side winning in these cases, not the actual principle.
Which leads onto the next point. The real threat to the US is not the GOP but the thinking displayed on here that it is "Good vs Evil", Black v White when it comes to this matter when actually it's very much shades of Grey. Both sides are guilty of trying to rig the system for their benefit (the Democrats in yesterday's primaries actually put money into GOP primaries to support hardline conservative candidates whom they thought easier to beat). It will be the idea that one side is right and the other is wrong that will destroy US democracy and you are all showing today how and why it's such a danger.
How exactly is letting people who are eligible to vote, vote, undemocratic?
Sentences starting "Boris Johnson might be in more trouble than many think over .." have been common over recent years. Something will eject him from power eventually. Please, please let it be soon.
Boris Corbyn will go eventually but, like his kindred spirit Jezza Corbyn, it will be long after he should.
There is a lot of whingeing today from the pro-Democrats here as well as the "Good v Evil" narrative going on so let me offer a riposte.
As @Alistair - a poster whom I don't share many views on at all - said, there are many ways to stage a coup. You can have armed force but you can equally have the A Very British Coup style. You can also have the coup via the legal system type.
The same types who are whingeing here about what the SC is doing are the same ones who completely ignored Democrats in swing states using their advantage in the legal system to push through a big loosening of voting procedures under the cover of the pandemic. In some cases, eg Pennsylvania, the courts specifically overrode the legislatures. Post-election, some of these measures were found to be illegal eg in Wisconsin but, by then, it was too late. In addition, we had the 'Zuck Bucks', nominally neutral but where much larger amounts were pushed into Democrat areas in swing states.
You didn't care about the courts then overriding the democratic system or the influence of billionaires' money then because it suited your own side and agenda. Your outrage is generated by the fact it's not your side winning in these cases, not the actual principle.
Which leads onto the next point. The real threat to the US is not the GOP but the thinking displayed on here that it is "Good vs Evil", Black v White when it comes to this matter when actually it's very much shades of Grey. Both sides are guilty of trying to rig the system for their benefit (the Democrats in yesterday's primaries actually put money into GOP primaries to support hardline conservative candidates whom they thought easier to beat). It will be the idea that one side is right and the other is wrong that will destroy US democracy and you are all showing today how and why it's such a danger.
How exactly is letting people who are eligible to vote, vote, undemocratic?
One of the administrative advantages of universal suffrage is that you can assume that most people will be eligible to vote.
There is a lot of whingeing today from the pro-Democrats here as well as the "Good v Evil" narrative going on so let me offer a riposte.
As @Alistair - a poster whom I don't share many views on at all - said, there are many ways to stage a coup. You can have armed force but you can equally have the A Very British Coup style. You can also have the coup via the legal system type.
The same types who are whingeing here about what the SC is doing are the same ones who completely ignored Democrats in swing states using their advantage in the legal system to push through a big loosening of voting procedures under the cover of the pandemic. In some cases, eg Pennsylvania, the courts specifically overrode the legislatures. Post-election, some of these measures were found to be illegal eg in Wisconsin but, by then, it was too late. In addition, we had the 'Zuck Bucks', nominally neutral but where much larger amounts were pushed into Democrat areas in swing states.
You didn't care about the courts then overriding the democratic system or the influence of billionaires' money then because it suited your own side and agenda. Your outrage is generated by the fact it's not your side winning in these cases, not the actual principle.
Which leads onto the next point. The real threat to the US is not the GOP but the thinking displayed on here that it is "Good vs Evil", Black v White when it comes to this matter when actually it's very much shades of Grey. Both sides are guilty of trying to rig the system for their benefit (the Democrats in yesterday's primaries actually put money into GOP primaries to support hardline conservative candidates whom they thought easier to beat). It will be the idea that one side is right and the other is wrong that will destroy US democracy and you are all showing today how and why it's such a danger.
How exactly is letting people who are eligible to vote, vote, undemocratic?
The GOP michigan senate report into election integrity found nothing.
Are they in on the conspiracy theories you are peddling as well?
There is a lot of whingeing today from the pro-Democrats here as well as the "Good v Evil" narrative going on so let me offer a riposte.
As @Alistair - a poster whom I don't share many views on at all - said, there are many ways to stage a coup. You can have armed force but you can equally have the A Very British Coup style. You can also have the coup via the legal system type.
The same types who are whingeing here about what the SC is doing are the same ones who completely ignored Democrats in swing states using their advantage in the legal system to push through a big loosening of voting procedures under the cover of the pandemic. In some cases, eg Pennsylvania, the courts specifically overrode the legislatures. Post-election, some of these measures were found to be illegal eg in Wisconsin but, by then, it was too late. In addition, we had the 'Zuck Bucks', nominally neutral but where much larger amounts were pushed into Democrat areas in swing states.
You didn't care about the courts then overriding the democratic system or the influence of billionaires' money then because it suited your own side and agenda. Your outrage is generated by the fact it's not your side winning in these cases, not the actual principle.
Which leads onto the next point. The real threat to the US is not the GOP but the thinking displayed on here that it is "Good vs Evil", Black v White when it comes to this matter when actually it's very much shades of Grey. Both sides are guilty of trying to rig the system for their benefit (the Democrats in yesterday's primaries actually put money into GOP primaries to support hardline conservative candidates whom they thought easier to beat). It will be the idea that one side is right and the other is wrong that will destroy US democracy and you are all showing today how and why it's such a danger.
How exactly is letting people who are eligible to vote, vote, undemocratic?
Yes, and how many ineligible voters were found? A handful, sometimes because they'd died on the way back from the Post Office, and more on the GOP side, wasn't it?
There is a lot of whingeing today from the pro-Democrats here as well as the "Good v Evil" narrative going on so let me offer a riposte.
As @Alistair - a poster whom I don't share many views on at all - said, there are many ways to stage a coup. You can have armed force but you can equally have the A Very British Coup style. You can also have the coup via the legal system type.
The same types who are whingeing here about what the SC is doing are the same ones who completely ignored Democrats in swing states using their advantage in the legal system to push through a big loosening of voting procedures under the cover of the pandemic. In some cases, eg Pennsylvania, the courts specifically overrode the legislatures. Post-election, some of these measures were found to be illegal eg in Wisconsin but, by then, it was too late. In addition, we had the 'Zuck Bucks', nominally neutral but where much larger amounts were pushed into Democrat areas in swing states.
You didn't care about the courts then overriding the democratic system or the influence of billionaires' money then because it suited your own side and agenda. Your outrage is generated by the fact it's not your side winning in these cases, not the actual principle.
Which leads onto the next point. The real threat to the US is not the GOP but the thinking displayed on here that it is "Good vs Evil", Black v White when it comes to this matter when actually it's very much shades of Grey. Both sides are guilty of trying to rig the system for their benefit (the Democrats in yesterday's primaries actually put money into GOP primaries to support hardline conservative candidates whom they thought easier to beat). It will be the idea that one side is right and the other is wrong that will destroy US democracy and you are all showing today how and why it's such a danger.
How exactly is letting people who are eligible to vote, vote, undemocratic?
The GOP michigan senate report into election integrity found nothing.
Are they in on the conspiracy theories you are peddling as well?
I'm sure you will have no problems stating them since you are so confident.
Or is this like when you and a fair few others were saying that the Hunter Biden laptop thing was a conspiracy theory? Didn't really see you admit you were wrong there. Lost your voice did you
There is a lot of whingeing today from the pro-Democrats here as well as the "Good v Evil" narrative going on so let me offer a riposte.
As @Alistair - a poster whom I don't share many views on at all - said, there are many ways to stage a coup. You can have armed force but you can equally have the A Very British Coup style. You can also have the coup via the legal system type.
The same types who are whingeing here about what the SC is doing are the same ones who completely ignored Democrats in swing states using their advantage in the legal system to push through a big loosening of voting procedures under the cover of the pandemic. In some cases, eg Pennsylvania, the courts specifically overrode the legislatures. Post-election, some of these measures were found to be illegal eg in Wisconsin but, by then, it was too late. In addition, we had the 'Zuck Bucks', nominally neutral but where much larger amounts were pushed into Democrat areas in swing states.
You didn't care about the courts then overriding the democratic system or the influence of billionaires' money then because it suited your own side and agenda. Your outrage is generated by the fact it's not your side winning in these cases, not the actual principle.
Which leads onto the next point. The real threat to the US is not the GOP but the thinking displayed on here that it is "Good vs Evil", Black v White when it comes to this matter when actually it's very much shades of Grey. Both sides are guilty of trying to rig the system for their benefit (the Democrats in yesterday's primaries actually put money into GOP primaries to support hardline conservative candidates whom they thought easier to beat). It will be the idea that one side is right and the other is wrong that will destroy US democracy and you are all showing today how and why it's such a danger.
How exactly is letting people who are eligible to vote, vote, undemocratic?
One of the administrative advantages of universal suffrage is that you can assume that most people will be eligible to vote.
Correct. However, a lot of the reasons why such rules were put in place in the US were concerns around Tammany Hall-style outcomes. There is a history there.
There is a lot of whingeing today from the pro-Democrats here as well as the "Good v Evil" narrative going on so let me offer a riposte.
As @Alistair - a poster whom I don't share many views on at all - said, there are many ways to stage a coup. You can have armed force but you can equally have the A Very British Coup style. You can also have the coup via the legal system type.
The same types who are whingeing here about what the SC is doing are the same ones who completely ignored Democrats in swing states using their advantage in the legal system to push through a big loosening of voting procedures under the cover of the pandemic. In some cases, eg Pennsylvania, the courts specifically overrode the legislatures. Post-election, some of these measures were found to be illegal eg in Wisconsin but, by then, it was too late. In addition, we had the 'Zuck Bucks', nominally neutral but where much larger amounts were pushed into Democrat areas in swing states.
You didn't care about the courts then overriding the democratic system or the influence of billionaires' money then because it suited your own side and agenda. Your outrage is generated by the fact it's not your side winning in these cases, not the actual principle.
Which leads onto the next point. The real threat to the US is not the GOP but the thinking displayed on here that it is "Good vs Evil", Black v White when it comes to this matter when actually it's very much shades of Grey. Both sides are guilty of trying to rig the system for their benefit (the Democrats in yesterday's primaries actually put money into GOP primaries to support hardline conservative candidates whom they thought easier to beat). It will be the idea that one side is right and the other is wrong that will destroy US democracy and you are all showing today how and why it's such a danger.
Did Hillary really accept 2016? the media ran a blizzard of stories about Russia collusion and Russia influence, none of which stuck. You could argue the democrats started the 'we're not accepting this result' trend.
Hillary:
* Called Trump to concede * Went to Trump's inaugaration
Trump:
* Called on Georgia's SoS to find extra votes * Called on State legislators to field parallel slates of Electors
They are - if you think about it - practically identical.
There were serious attempts to get the electoral college to reject Trump.
There is a lot of whingeing today from the pro-Democrats here as well as the "Good v Evil" narrative going on so let me offer a riposte.
As @Alistair - a poster whom I don't share many views on at all - said, there are many ways to stage a coup. You can have armed force but you can equally have the A Very British Coup style. You can also have the coup via the legal system type.
The same types who are whingeing here about what the SC is doing are the same ones who completely ignored Democrats in swing states using their advantage in the legal system to push through a big loosening of voting procedures under the cover of the pandemic. In some cases, eg Pennsylvania, the courts specifically overrode the legislatures. Post-election, some of these measures were found to be illegal eg in Wisconsin but, by then, it was too late. In addition, we had the 'Zuck Bucks', nominally neutral but where much larger amounts were pushed into Democrat areas in swing states.
You didn't care about the courts then overriding the democratic system or the influence of billionaires' money then because it suited your own side and agenda. Your outrage is generated by the fact it's not your side winning in these cases, not the actual principle.
Which leads onto the next point. The real threat to the US is not the GOP but the thinking displayed on here that it is "Good vs Evil", Black v White when it comes to this matter when actually it's very much shades of Grey. Both sides are guilty of trying to rig the system for their benefit (the Democrats in yesterday's primaries actually put money into GOP primaries to support hardline conservative candidates whom they thought easier to beat). It will be the idea that one side is right and the other is wrong that will destroy US democracy and you are all showing today how and why it's such a danger.
How exactly is letting people who are eligible to vote, vote, undemocratic?
I think the theory is that once state governments are in place, it's wrong for anyone to interfere with how they set the rules for their own re-election. Towards a United States of self-perpetuating oligarchies.
If you are going to whinge about courts ruling in a partisan fashion, be equal about it. The PA Supreme Court had a Democratic majority and voted on party lines to overrule the legislature. As I said, you have no problem about that because your own side benefited.
The parlous state of democracy in the US is one of the reasons the UK needs to get its own house in order.
We can’t rely on the US to be “the shining city upon a hill”. Likely, we never could.
And you have moved there....
As an expat, rather than an immigrant. 😆 I admire the country, but I am not an American.
You are still going to be there when society collapse and the Everlasting TrumpReich takes over.
Actually my wife has told me we are not staying if Trump returns. Personally I tend to be a bit “render unto Caesar.”
Similar problem here. One of my buckets is a US odyssey, California, Deep South, New England, Florida. Couldn't do it with Trump as president, obviously, so started thinking seriously about it once Biden was sworn in. Allow for pandemic to properly end and plenty of planning (which is part of the pleasure) and we get 2025 as the time to pencil it in. Now it's under threat. Might need to rush it through a year earlier or even next year. Not ideal but it could be the one and only window.
And they say accountants are boring. You’ve already been on holiday to Belgium in the last ten years, now you’re hating off to America sometime before 2040
Looking forward to it too. Have been for ages. Now it might have to be either shelved or done in unseemly haste. Still, not the most important casualty of the MAGA madness in America, I'm mature enough to realise that.
There is a lot of whingeing today from the pro-Democrats here as well as the "Good v Evil" narrative going on so let me offer a riposte.
As @Alistair - a poster whom I don't share many views on at all - said, there are many ways to stage a coup. You can have armed force but you can equally have the A Very British Coup style. You can also have the coup via the legal system type.
The same types who are whingeing here about what the SC is doing are the same ones who completely ignored Democrats in swing states using their advantage in the legal system to push through a big loosening of voting procedures under the cover of the pandemic. In some cases, eg Pennsylvania, the courts specifically overrode the legislatures. Post-election, some of these measures were found to be illegal eg in Wisconsin but, by then, it was too late. In addition, we had the 'Zuck Bucks', nominally neutral but where much larger amounts were pushed into Democrat areas in swing states.
You didn't care about the courts then overriding the democratic system or the influence of billionaires' money then because it suited your own side and agenda. Your outrage is generated by the fact it's not your side winning in these cases, not the actual principle.
Which leads onto the next point. The real threat to the US is not the GOP but the thinking displayed on here that it is "Good vs Evil", Black v White when it comes to this matter when actually it's very much shades of Grey. Both sides are guilty of trying to rig the system for their benefit (the Democrats in yesterday's primaries actually put money into GOP primaries to support hardline conservative candidates whom they thought easier to beat). It will be the idea that one side is right and the other is wrong that will destroy US democracy and you are all showing today how and why it's such a danger.
Did Hillary really accept 2016? the media ran a blizzard of stories about Russia collusion and Russia influence, none of which stuck. You could argue the democrats started the 'we're not accepting this result' trend.
Hillary:
* Called Trump to concede * Went to Trump's inaugaration
Trump:
* Called on Georgia's SoS to find extra votes * Called on State legislators to field parallel slates of Electors
They are - if you think about it - practically identical.
There were serious attempts to get the electoral college to reject Trump.
Quest for equivalence re: 1/6 is part of Putinist game plan in USA. Obviously. Pathetically.
Given how shit Putin has been in Ukraine, and the fact that he did nothing to protect his mate Trump in 2020 given the elections were the cleanest ever, I think we can discount Putin's organisational skills.
There is a lot of whingeing today from the pro-Democrats here as well as the "Good v Evil" narrative going on so let me offer a riposte.
As @Alistair - a poster whom I don't share many views on at all - said, there are many ways to stage a coup. You can have armed force but you can equally have the A Very British Coup style. You can also have the coup via the legal system type.
The same types who are whingeing here about what the SC is doing are the same ones who completely ignored Democrats in swing states using their advantage in the legal system to push through a big loosening of voting procedures under the cover of the pandemic. In some cases, eg Pennsylvania, the courts specifically overrode the legislatures. Post-election, some of these measures were found to be illegal eg in Wisconsin but, by then, it was too late. In addition, we had the 'Zuck Bucks', nominally neutral but where much larger amounts were pushed into Democrat areas in swing states.
You didn't care about the courts then overriding the democratic system or the influence of billionaires' money then because it suited your own side and agenda. Your outrage is generated by the fact it's not your side winning in these cases, not the actual principle.
Which leads onto the next point. The real threat to the US is not the GOP but the thinking displayed on here that it is "Good vs Evil", Black v White when it comes to this matter when actually it's very much shades of Grey. Both sides are guilty of trying to rig the system for their benefit (the Democrats in yesterday's primaries actually put money into GOP primaries to support hardline conservative candidates whom they thought easier to beat). It will be the idea that one side is right and the other is wrong that will destroy US democracy and you are all showing today how and why it's such a danger.
How exactly is letting people who are eligible to vote, vote, undemocratic?
The GOP michigan senate report into election integrity found nothing.
Are they in on the conspiracy theories you are peddling as well?
I'm sure you will have no problems stating them since you are so confident.
Or is this like when you and a fair few others were saying that the Hunter Biden laptop thing was a conspiracy theory? Didn't really see you admit you were wrong there. Lost your voice did you
So you believe Hunter Biden flew half way across the country to get his laptop repaired in a random shop?
The question was never "is that his laptop"
The question was "what was the chain of custody, has it been tampered with".
Thisnis your nornal peformative bollocks where younrry and delibertly cobfuse issues.
Like with your tiresome attempts to conflate the Steele Dossier with the Russia Investigation.
There is a lot of whingeing today from the pro-Democrats here as well as the "Good v Evil" narrative going on so let me offer a riposte.
As @Alistair - a poster whom I don't share many views on at all - said, there are many ways to stage a coup. You can have armed force but you can equally have the A Very British Coup style. You can also have the coup via the legal system type.
The same types who are whingeing here about what the SC is doing are the same ones who completely ignored Democrats in swing states using their advantage in the legal system to push through a big loosening of voting procedures under the cover of the pandemic. In some cases, eg Pennsylvania, the courts specifically overrode the legislatures. Post-election, some of these measures were found to be illegal eg in Wisconsin but, by then, it was too late. In addition, we had the 'Zuck Bucks', nominally neutral but where much larger amounts were pushed into Democrat areas in swing states.
You didn't care about the courts then overriding the democratic system or the influence of billionaires' money then because it suited your own side and agenda. Your outrage is generated by the fact it's not your side winning in these cases, not the actual principle.
Which leads onto the next point. The real threat to the US is not the GOP but the thinking displayed on here that it is "Good vs Evil", Black v White when it comes to this matter when actually it's very much shades of Grey. Both sides are guilty of trying to rig the system for their benefit (the Democrats in yesterday's primaries actually put money into GOP primaries to support hardline conservative candidates whom they thought easier to beat). It will be the idea that one side is right and the other is wrong that will destroy US democracy and you are all showing today how and why it's such a danger.
How exactly is letting people who are eligible to vote, vote, undemocratic?
Yes, and how many ineligible voters were found? A handful, sometimes because they'd died on the way back from the Post Office, and more on the GOP side, wasn't it?
Actually they couldn't tell because, in some counties, there was no way of reconciling the votes. So it's unclear at best.
But that's not my point. I think Trump lost in 2020 and his whingeing about the election is false. But if you are going to start moaning about court interference, accept both sides do it.
There is a lot of whingeing today from the pro-Democrats here as well as the "Good v Evil" narrative going on so let me offer a riposte.
As @Alistair - a poster whom I don't share many views on at all - said, there are many ways to stage a coup. You can have armed force but you can equally have the A Very British Coup style. You can also have the coup via the legal system type.
The same types who are whingeing here about what the SC is doing are the same ones who completely ignored Democrats in swing states using their advantage in the legal system to push through a big loosening of voting procedures under the cover of the pandemic. In some cases, eg Pennsylvania, the courts specifically overrode the legislatures. Post-election, some of these measures were found to be illegal eg in Wisconsin but, by then, it was too late. In addition, we had the 'Zuck Bucks', nominally neutral but where much larger amounts were pushed into Democrat areas in swing states.
You didn't care about the courts then overriding the democratic system or the influence of billionaires' money then because it suited your own side and agenda. Your outrage is generated by the fact it's not your side winning in these cases, not the actual principle.
Which leads onto the next point. The real threat to the US is not the GOP but the thinking displayed on here that it is "Good vs Evil", Black v White when it comes to this matter when actually it's very much shades of Grey. Both sides are guilty of trying to rig the system for their benefit (the Democrats in yesterday's primaries actually put money into GOP primaries to support hardline conservative candidates whom they thought easier to beat). It will be the idea that one side is right and the other is wrong that will destroy US democracy and you are all showing today how and why it's such a danger.
How exactly is letting people who are eligible to vote, vote, undemocratic?
The GOP michigan senate report into election integrity found nothing.
Are they in on the conspiracy theories you are peddling as well?
I'm sure you will have no problems stating them since you are so confident.
Or is this like when you and a fair few others were saying that the Hunter Biden laptop thing was a conspiracy theory? Didn't really see you admit you were wrong there. Lost your voice did you
So you believe Hunter Biden flew half way across the country to get his laptop repaired in a random shop?
The question was never "is that his laptop"
The question was "what was the chain of custody, has it been tampered with".
Thisnis your nornal peformative bollocks where younrry and delibertly cobfuse issues.
Like with your tiresome attempts to conflate the Steele Dossier with the Russia Investigation.
Oh dear Alistair, you have to do better than that. The whole thing at the start was why would he drop off his laptop. It's being accepted now it was his laptop, so now it's gone onto "but how do we know it's his e-mails".
How about this? It might be his laptop has been tampered with. But it might be those were his e-mails. Why not just follow the evidence?
You seem to have a bit of a conspiracy mindset yourself.
There is a lot of whingeing today from the pro-Democrats here as well as the "Good v Evil" narrative going on so let me offer a riposte.
As @Alistair - a poster whom I don't share many views on at all - said, there are many ways to stage a coup. You can have armed force but you can equally have the A Very British Coup style. You can also have the coup via the legal system type.
The same types who are whingeing here about what the SC is doing are the same ones who completely ignored Democrats in swing states using their advantage in the legal system to push through a big loosening of voting procedures under the cover of the pandemic. In some cases, eg Pennsylvania, the courts specifically overrode the legislatures. Post-election, some of these measures were found to be illegal eg in Wisconsin but, by then, it was too late. In addition, we had the 'Zuck Bucks', nominally neutral but where much larger amounts were pushed into Democrat areas in swing states.
You didn't care about the courts then overriding the democratic system or the influence of billionaires' money then because it suited your own side and agenda. Your outrage is generated by the fact it's not your side winning in these cases, not the actual principle.
Which leads onto the next point. The real threat to the US is not the GOP but the thinking displayed on here that it is "Good vs Evil", Black v White when it comes to this matter when actually it's very much shades of Grey. Both sides are guilty of trying to rig the system for their benefit (the Democrats in yesterday's primaries actually put money into GOP primaries to support hardline conservative candidates whom they thought easier to beat). It will be the idea that one side is right and the other is wrong that will destroy US democracy and you are all showing today how and why it's such a danger.
How exactly is letting people who are eligible to vote, vote, undemocratic?
The GOP michigan senate report into election integrity found nothing.
Are they in on the conspiracy theories you are peddling as well?
I'm sure you will have no problems stating them since you are so confident.
Or is this like when you and a fair few others were saying that the Hunter Biden laptop thing was a conspiracy theory? Didn't really see you admit you were wrong there. Lost your voice did you
So you believe Hunter Biden flew half way across the country to get his laptop repaired in a random shop?
The question was never "is that his laptop"
The question was "what was the chain of custody, has it been tampered with".
Thisnis your nornal peformative bollocks where younrry and delibertly cobfuse issues.
Like with your tiresome attempts to conflate the Steele Dossier with the Russia Investigation.
Oh dear Alistair, you have to do better than that. The whole thing at the start was why would he drop off his laptop. It's being accepted now it was his laptop, so now it's gone onto "but how do we know it's his e-mails".
How about this? It might be his laptop has been tampered with. But it might be those were his e-mails. Why not just follow the evidence?
You seem to have a bit of a conspiracy mindset yourself.
Its almost certainly his laptop given the drug addled looser seems to lose them like I lose my car keys.
The question had always been the provenance - the story of how the laptop turned up was always preposterous. And pretending that wasn't the objection doesn't make it so.
And that turns it into a wikileaks dump where 99% of it is true but ooops, the juicy stuff is faked.
There is a lot of whingeing today from the pro-Democrats here as well as the "Good v Evil" narrative going on so let me offer a riposte.
As @Alistair - a poster whom I don't share many views on at all - said, there are many ways to stage a coup. You can have armed force but you can equally have the A Very British Coup style. You can also have the coup via the legal system type.
The same types who are whingeing here about what the SC is doing are the same ones who completely ignored Democrats in swing states using their advantage in the legal system to push through a big loosening of voting procedures under the cover of the pandemic. In some cases, eg Pennsylvania, the courts specifically overrode the legislatures. Post-election, some of these measures were found to be illegal eg in Wisconsin but, by then, it was too late. In addition, we had the 'Zuck Bucks', nominally neutral but where much larger amounts were pushed into Democrat areas in swing states.
You didn't care about the courts then overriding the democratic system or the influence of billionaires' money then because it suited your own side and agenda. Your outrage is generated by the fact it's not your side winning in these cases, not the actual principle.
Which leads onto the next point. The real threat to the US is not the GOP but the thinking displayed on here that it is "Good vs Evil", Black v White when it comes to this matter when actually it's very much shades of Grey. Both sides are guilty of trying to rig the system for their benefit (the Democrats in yesterday's primaries actually put money into GOP primaries to support hardline conservative candidates whom they thought easier to beat). It will be the idea that one side is right and the other is wrong that will destroy US democracy and you are all showing today how and why it's such a danger.
How exactly is letting people who are eligible to vote, vote, undemocratic?
Yes, and how many ineligible voters were found? A handful, sometimes because they'd died on the way back from the Post Office, and more on the GOP side, wasn't it?
Actually they couldn't tell because, in some counties, there was no way of reconciling the votes. So it's unclear at best.
But that's not my point. I think Trump lost in 2020 and his whingeing about the election is false. But if you are going to start moaning about court interference, accept both sides do it.
But where it was possible to tell, no ineligible votes were found. Maybe that is the point.
The parlous state of democracy in the US is one of the reasons the UK needs to get its own house in order.
We can’t rely on the US to be “the shining city upon a hill”. Likely, we never could.
And you have moved there....
As an expat, rather than an immigrant. 😆 I admire the country, but I am not an American.
You are still going to be there when society collapse and the Everlasting TrumpReich takes over.
Actually my wife has told me we are not staying if Trump returns. Personally I tend to be a bit “render unto Caesar.”
Similar problem here. One of my buckets is a US odyssey, California, Deep South, New England, Florida. Couldn't do it with Trump as president, obviously, so started thinking seriously about it once Biden was sworn in. Allow for pandemic to properly end and plenty of planning (which is part of the pleasure) and we get 2025 as the time to pencil it in. Now it's under threat. Might need to rush it through a year earlier or even next year. Not ideal but it could be the one and only window.
The parlous state of democracy in the US is one of the reasons the UK needs to get its own house in order.
We can’t rely on the US to be “the shining city upon a hill”. Likely, we never could.
And you have moved there....
As an expat, rather than an immigrant. 😆 I admire the country, but I am not an American.
You are still going to be there when society collapse and the Everlasting TrumpReich takes over.
Actually my wife has told me we are not staying if Trump returns. Personally I tend to be a bit “render unto Caesar.”
Similar problem here. One of my buckets is a US odyssey, California, Deep South, New England, Florida. Couldn't do it with Trump as president, obviously, so started thinking seriously about it once Biden was sworn in. Allow for pandemic to properly end and plenty of planning (which is part of the pleasure) and we get 2025 as the time to pencil it in. Now it's under threat. Might need to rush it through a year earlier or even next year. Not ideal but it could be the one and only window.
And they say accountants are boring. You’ve already been on holiday to Belgium in the last ten years, now you’re hating off to America sometime before 2040
Looking forward to it too. Have been for ages. Now it might have to be either shelved or done in unseemly haste. Still, not the most important casualty of the MAGA madness in America, I'm mature enough to realise that.
You won’t go because you want to boycott them, and take your money elsewhere, or because of a fear for your personal safety in some way?
(I say this as someone who has gone on holiday to non-democracies with no qualms)
There is a lot of whingeing today from the pro-Democrats here as well as the "Good v Evil" narrative going on so let me offer a riposte.
As @Alistair - a poster whom I don't share many views on at all - said, there are many ways to stage a coup. You can have armed force but you can equally have the A Very British Coup style. You can also have the coup via the legal system type.
The same types who are whingeing here about what the SC is doing are the same ones who completely ignored Democrats in swing states using their advantage in the legal system to push through a big loosening of voting procedures under the cover of the pandemic. In some cases, eg Pennsylvania, the courts specifically overrode the legislatures. Post-election, some of these measures were found to be illegal eg in Wisconsin but, by then, it was too late. In addition, we had the 'Zuck Bucks', nominally neutral but where much larger amounts were pushed into Democrat areas in swing states.
You didn't care about the courts then overriding the democratic system or the influence of billionaires' money then because it suited your own side and agenda. Your outrage is generated by the fact it's not your side winning in these cases, not the actual principle.
Which leads onto the next point. The real threat to the US is not the GOP but the thinking displayed on here that it is "Good vs Evil", Black v White when it comes to this matter when actually it's very much shades of Grey. Both sides are guilty of trying to rig the system for their benefit (the Democrats in yesterday's primaries actually put money into GOP primaries to support hardline conservative candidates whom they thought easier to beat). It will be the idea that one side is right and the other is wrong that will destroy US democracy and you are all showing today how and why it's such a danger.
How exactly is letting people who are eligible to vote, vote, undemocratic?
Yes, and how many ineligible voters were found? A handful, sometimes because they'd died on the way back from the Post Office, and more on the GOP side, wasn't it?
Actually they couldn't tell because, in some counties, there was no way of reconciling the votes. So it's unclear at best.
But that's not my point. I think Trump lost in 2020 and his whingeing about the election is false. But if you are going to start moaning about court interference, accept both sides do it.
You 'think' Trump lost? What type of think is that?
As in you think Biden is a bad president? Or as in you think the earth orbits the sun?
There is a lot of whingeing today from the pro-Democrats here as well as the "Good v Evil" narrative going on so let me offer a riposte.
As @Alistair - a poster whom I don't share many views on at all - said, there are many ways to stage a coup. You can have armed force but you can equally have the A Very British Coup style. You can also have the coup via the legal system type.
The same types who are whingeing here about what the SC is doing are the same ones who completely ignored Democrats in swing states using their advantage in the legal system to push through a big loosening of voting procedures under the cover of the pandemic. In some cases, eg Pennsylvania, the courts specifically overrode the legislatures. Post-election, some of these measures were found to be illegal eg in Wisconsin but, by then, it was too late. In addition, we had the 'Zuck Bucks', nominally neutral but where much larger amounts were pushed into Democrat areas in swing states.
You didn't care about the courts then overriding the democratic system or the influence of billionaires' money then because it suited your own side and agenda. Your outrage is generated by the fact it's not your side winning in these cases, not the actual principle.
Which leads onto the next point. The real threat to the US is not the GOP but the thinking displayed on here that it is "Good vs Evil", Black v White when it comes to this matter when actually it's very much shades of Grey. Both sides are guilty of trying to rig the system for their benefit (the Democrats in yesterday's primaries actually put money into GOP primaries to support hardline conservative candidates whom they thought easier to beat). It will be the idea that one side is right and the other is wrong that will destroy US democracy and you are all showing today how and why it's such a danger.
How exactly is letting people who are eligible to vote, vote, undemocratic?
The GOP michigan senate report into election integrity found nothing.
Are they in on the conspiracy theories you are peddling as well?
I'm sure you will have no problems stating them since you are so confident.
Or is this like when you and a fair few others were saying that the Hunter Biden laptop thing was a conspiracy theory? Didn't really see you admit you were wrong there. Lost your voice did you
So you believe Hunter Biden flew half way across the country to get his laptop repaired in a random shop?
The question was never "is that his laptop"
The question was "what was the chain of custody, has it been tampered with".
Thisnis your nornal peformative bollocks where younrry and delibertly cobfuse issues.
Like with your tiresome attempts to conflate the Steele Dossier with the Russia Investigation.
Oh dear Alistair, you have to do better than that. The whole thing at the start was why would he drop off his laptop. It's being accepted now it was his laptop, so now it's gone onto "but how do we know it's his e-mails".
How about this? It might be his laptop has been tampered with. But it might be those were his e-mails. Why not just follow the evidence?
You seem to have a bit of a conspiracy mindset yourself.
Conspiracies are only a subject for mockery and scorn when they're alleged against people one likes, didn’t you realise that? When they're alleged against people one dislikes, there's no smoke without fire and we must get to the bottom of this.
Why would the European Union ban vehicles from jurisdictions it has no effect over? That would be shooting itself in the foot and essentially banning all cross border road trade/travel from any jurisdiction that doesn't follow the single market's rules.
You don't see it banning vehicles from Russia, Belarus, Turkey or US imports and I'm fairly sure their vehicle standards are much lower than the UK's which currently matches the EU.
Honestly, while a lot of the time the EU's rules are sensible, you need to accept that having twelve gold stars stamped onto something is not the only acceptable standard of safety.
I believe the new “in hindsight were we right/wrong to leave the EU” polling has hit a new high in terms of “Wrong”.
34 Right 50 Wrong
That’s 42/58, removing Don’t Knows, had been sitting on 44/56 for quite a while.
Obviously
Not obviously, you need to consider the obverse where we'd Remained and these numbers were reversed due to ongoing dissatisfaction with the political direction of the EU and our terms of membership.
I believe the new “in hindsight were we right/wrong to leave the EU” polling has hit a new high in terms of “Wrong”.
34 Right 50 Wrong
That’s 42/58, removing Don’t Knows, had been sitting on 44/56 for quite a while.
I really do not see the point as we have left , rightly or wrongly, and the question should be how we improve it but with Labour ruling out joining the single market it seems little is going to change anytime soon
I see in his resignation letter to SKS he says he wants to "stand shoulder to shoulder with all whose only ask is a fair deal for them and their families"
The parlous state of democracy in the US is one of the reasons the UK needs to get its own house in order.
We can’t rely on the US to be “the shining city upon a hill”. Likely, we never could.
And you have moved there....
As an expat, rather than an immigrant. 😆 I admire the country, but I am not an American.
You are still going to be there when society collapse and the Everlasting TrumpReich takes over.
Actually my wife has told me we are not staying if Trump returns. Personally I tend to be a bit “render unto Caesar.”
Similar problem here. One of my buckets is a US odyssey, California, Deep South, New England, Florida. Couldn't do it with Trump as president, obviously, so started thinking seriously about it once Biden was sworn in. Allow for pandemic to properly end and plenty of planning (which is part of the pleasure) and we get 2025 as the time to pencil it in. Now it's under threat. Might need to rush it through a year earlier or even next year. Not ideal but it could be the one and only window.
The parlous state of democracy in the US is one of the reasons the UK needs to get its own house in order.
We can’t rely on the US to be “the shining city upon a hill”. Likely, we never could.
And you have moved there....
As an expat, rather than an immigrant. 😆 I admire the country, but I am not an American.
You are still going to be there when society collapse and the Everlasting TrumpReich takes over.
Actually my wife has told me we are not staying if Trump returns. Personally I tend to be a bit “render unto Caesar.”
Similar problem here. One of my buckets is a US odyssey, California, Deep South, New England, Florida. Couldn't do it with Trump as president, obviously, so started thinking seriously about it once Biden was sworn in. Allow for pandemic to properly end and plenty of planning (which is part of the pleasure) and we get 2025 as the time to pencil it in. Now it's under threat. Might need to rush it through a year earlier or even next year. Not ideal but it could be the one and only window.
And they say accountants are boring. You’ve already been on holiday to Belgium in the last ten years, now you’re hating off to America sometime before 2040
Looking forward to it too. Have been for ages. Now it might have to be either shelved or done in unseemly haste. Still, not the most important casualty of the MAGA madness in America, I'm mature enough to realise that.
You won’t go because you want to boycott them, and take your money elsewhere, or because of a fear for your personal safety in some way?
(I say this as someone who has gone on holiday to non-democracies with no qualms)
None of those really. Just that when Trump got elected I fell out of love with the country and the idea of doing my big trip. It affected my feelings towards the place.
I believe the new “in hindsight were we right/wrong to leave the EU” polling has hit a new high in terms of “Wrong”.
34 Right 50 Wrong
That’s 42/58, removing Don’t Knows, had been sitting on 44/56 for quite a while.
I really do not see the point as we have left , rightly or wrongly, and the question should be how we improve it but with Labour ruling out joining the single market it seems little is going to change anytime soon
It’s useful to track the gradual (and eventually comprehensive) disillusion with the Groundnut Scheme 2.0.
The Conservatives are set to reprise their 2015 election message to thwart the Lib Dems march in the south, as Boris Johnson told me when we talked for an hour earlier this spring
Will it work after another two years of economic crisis?
No. The Conservatives under Boris keep lazily reaching into the historical playbook to try and replay angles of attack that worked well in the past but in a different context and a different time.
You need a clear contemporary message, competent leadership and a clear plan - otherwise these messages will fall flat, and might even backfire.
And of course we have had a coalition of chaos - Con + DUP.
Theresa May shat the bed.
Corbyn would probably have always surged but she only had herself to blame for failing to secure a modest majority.
I think you are confusing the good lady with an alleged Hollywood person.
Same party anyway, which makes adopting the c of c approach interesting.
It is as handy as fuck. And if like me you only speed through inattention pays for itself in awareness courses in the first year.
My car has a speed limiter and cruise control.
They're great.
What's really great about them is that I can choose when to switch them on, and set them to the real speed limit, not what the speedo thinks is the speed limit.
I believe the new “in hindsight were we right/wrong to leave the EU” polling has hit a new high in terms of “Wrong”.
34 Right 50 Wrong
That’s 42/58, removing Don’t Knows, had been sitting on 44/56 for quite a while.
I really do not see the point as we have left , rightly or wrongly, and the question should be how we improve it but with Labour ruling out joining the single market it seems little is going to change anytime soon
It’s useful to track the gradual (and eventually comprehensive) disillusion with the Groundnut Scheme 2.0.
Maybe but it is not finding solutions and the main two parties are not offering them
I believe we should join the single market and I really cannot fathom why Starmer and Lammy have comprehensively ruled it out
Hopefully the lib dems will make it a manifesto commitment
I believe the new “in hindsight were we right/wrong to leave the EU” polling has hit a new high in terms of “Wrong”.
34 Right 50 Wrong
That’s 42/58, removing Don’t Knows, had been sitting on 44/56 for quite a while.
Or including don't knows Brexit Wrong just 2% up on the 48% who voted Remain in 2016
Every time you make that claim, someone points out that you can't compare a poll where Leave + Remain have to add up to 100% with a poll where Good + Bad add up to 84%.
But even taking your interpretation at face value, 52% Leave has become 34% right. That's grim.
What the *+%#?! does the UK do if (when) the view of the people settles on "we've made a mistake that can't easily be reversed"? I can't see it being pretty.
Lots of chatter on Twitter about Durham Police and Beergate conclusion being imminent
I go for no FPN issued as a 95%+ chance
If they say rules were broke but we dont issue FPNs retrospectively thats the worst possible option for SKS and Labour if he tries to stay as LOTO
No chance they'll say that imo.
That’s exactly what they said to Dominic Cummings.
That's not quite as I recall it. They said if they'd happened to stop his car they might have quizzed him and - possibly - advised him to go home.
"In line with Durham constabulary’s general approach throughout the pandemic, there is no intention to take retrospective action in respect of the Barnard Castle incident since this would amount to treating Mr Cummings differently from other members of the public"
I believe the new “in hindsight were we right/wrong to leave the EU” polling has hit a new high in terms of “Wrong”.
34 Right 50 Wrong
That’s 42/58, removing Don’t Knows, had been sitting on 44/56 for quite a while.
Or including don't knows Brexit Wrong just 2% up on the 48% who voted Remain in 2016
Every time you make that claim, someone points out that you can't compare a poll where Leave + Remain have to add up to 100% with a poll where Good + Bad add up to 84%.
But even taking your interpretation at face value, 52% Leave has become 34% right. That's grim.
What the *+%#?! does the UK do if (when) the view of the people settles on "we've made a mistake that can't easily be reversed"? I can't see it being pretty.
Rejoining the single market should be the objective and sooner rather than later
I believe the new “in hindsight were we right/wrong to leave the EU” polling has hit a new high in terms of “Wrong”.
34 Right 50 Wrong
That’s 42/58, removing Don’t Knows, had been sitting on 44/56 for quite a while.
I really do not see the point as we have left , rightly or wrongly, and the question should be how we improve it but with Labour ruling out joining the single market it seems little is going to change anytime soon
It’s useful to track the gradual (and eventually comprehensive) disillusion with the Groundnut Scheme 2.0.
Maybe but it is not finding solutions and the main two parties are not offering them
I believe we should join the single market and I really cannot fathom why Starmer and Lammy have comprehensively ruled it out
Hopefully the lib dems will make it a manifesto commitment
It’s a poll, not a manifesto.
As for the single market, the issue is FOM. Labour can’t go there. Ironically, since immigration seems unabated, it just comes from other places.
Maybe the Lib Dems can, although surely wouldn’t survive any coalition (or similar) commitment except for a general direction of travel.
It is as handy as fuck. And if like me you only speed through inattention pays for itself in awareness courses in the first year.
My car has a speed limiter and cruise control.
They're great.
What's really great about them is that I can choose when to switch them on, and set them to the real speed limit, not what the speedo thinks is the speed limit.
That's 19th and 20th century technology struggling in 2022. Versions I have recently used know what the speed limit is (including temporary roadwork s/ls) and get their speed from GPS not a comedy "speedometer."
Cruise control sucks in the UK, no roads being empty enough, except for playing suicide games on the lines of "Can I set it at 75 and get all the way to Carlisle without touching the pedals?"
There was a time when the Conservative Party was the party of business and export campaigns and balance of payments. And not just when I was playing with my Corgi Toys.
There was a time when the Conservative Party was the party of business and export campaigns and balance of payments. And not just when I was playing with my Corgi Toys.
"As a matter of principle, if not economy, the local price should prevail. Please believe me — tipping 15 or 20 percent in Europe is unnecessary, if not culturally ignorant."
I believe the new “in hindsight were we right/wrong to leave the EU” polling has hit a new high in terms of “Wrong”.
34 Right 50 Wrong
That’s 42/58, removing Don’t Knows, had been sitting on 44/56 for quite a while.
I really do not see the point as we have left , rightly or wrongly, and the question should be how we improve it but with Labour ruling out joining the single market it seems little is going to change anytime soon
It’s useful to track the gradual (and eventually comprehensive) disillusion with the Groundnut Scheme 2.0.
Maybe but it is not finding solutions and the main two parties are not offering them
I believe we should join the single market and I really cannot fathom why Starmer and Lammy have comprehensively ruled it out
Hopefully the lib dems will make it a manifesto commitment
It’s a poll, not a manifesto.
As for the single market, the issue is FOM. Labour can’t go there. Ironically, since immigration seems unabated, it just comes from other places.
Maybe the Lib Dems can, although surely wouldn’t survive any coalition (or similar) commitment except for a general direction of travel.
I believe it is time for the opposition to take a stand on the single market as the Brexit narrative is changing, and not in a good way for the conservatives
Indeed they seem to think their old playbook will be popular, but then change is leaving them marooned in yesterday's arguments when normally the conservatives know how to change and win elections
I believe the new “in hindsight were we right/wrong to leave the EU” polling has hit a new high in terms of “Wrong”.
34 Right 50 Wrong
That’s 42/58, removing Don’t Knows, had been sitting on 44/56 for quite a while.
UK and EU politics being what it is there are probably quite a few people who believe it is wrong to leave and wrong to remain and at the same time right to leave and right to remain. I have a lot of sympathy with this Schrodinger like cat/group.
There was a time when the Conservative Party was the party of business and export campaigns and balance of payments. And not just when I was playing with my Corgi Toys.
Now one with Nineveh and Tyre I’m afraid.
Oh yes, and add the defence of the realm to that too. At least I had a Corgi Toys Centurion Tank and Antar Tank Transporter to play with, to match the big boys' toys. I don't thin there is even a Corgi Toys nowadays, for playing with (as opposed to the very nice but expensive models to be put away in glazed display cases). As for the Army ...!
Far-called, our navies melt away; On dune and headland sinks the fire: Lo, all our pomp of yesterday Is one with Nineveh and Tyre! Judge of the Nations, spare us yet, Lest we forget—lest we forget!
I believe the new “in hindsight were we right/wrong to leave the EU” polling has hit a new high in terms of “Wrong”.
34 Right 50 Wrong
That’s 42/58, removing Don’t Knows, had been sitting on 44/56 for quite a while.
Or including don't knows Brexit Wrong just 2% up on the 48% who voted Remain in 2016
Every time you make that claim, someone points out that you can't compare a poll where Leave + Remain have to add up to 100% with a poll where Good + Bad add up to 84%.
But even taking your interpretation at face value, 52% Leave has become 34% right. That's grim.
What the *+%#?! does the UK do if (when) the view of the people settles on "we've made a mistake that can't easily be reversed"? I can't see it being pretty.
It can easily be reversed. We can rejoin the EU as full members, including the euro and Schengen.
I believe the new “in hindsight were we right/wrong to leave the EU” polling has hit a new high in terms of “Wrong”.
34 Right 50 Wrong
That’s 42/58, removing Don’t Knows, had been sitting on 44/56 for quite a while.
Or including don't knows Brexit Wrong just 2% up on the 48% who voted Remain in 2016
Every time you make that claim, someone points out that you can't compare a poll where Leave + Remain have to add up to 100% with a poll where Good + Bad add up to 84%.
But even taking your interpretation at face value, 52% Leave has become 34% right. That's grim.
What the *+%#?! does the UK do if (when) the view of the people settles on "we've made a mistake that can't easily be reversed"? I can't see it being pretty.
Rejoining the single market should be the objective and sooner rather than later
Canada isn't in a single market with the USA.
If we rejoin the single market then there's very little point in being outside the EU. If you accept Brexit then it would be better to accept any short term price that might come from restructuring and get on with things.
It is as handy as fuck. And if like me you only speed through inattention pays for itself in awareness courses in the first year.
My car has a speed limiter and cruise control.
They're great.
What's really great about them is that I can choose when to switch them on, and set them to the real speed limit, not what the speedo thinks is the speed limit.
That's 19th and 20th century technology struggling in 2022. Versions I have recently used know what the speed limit is (including temporary roadwork s/ls) and get their speed from GPS not a comedy "speedometer."
Cruise control sucks in the UK, no roads being empty enough, except for playing suicide games on the lines of "Can I set it at 75 and get all the way to Carlisle without touching the pedals?"
I don't trust the car to detect the speed limit, but then again that's not the critical point in my comment...
It is as handy as fuck. And if like me you only speed through inattention pays for itself in awareness courses in the first year.
My car has a speed limiter and cruise control.
They're great.
What's really great about them is that I can choose when to switch them on, and set them to the real speed limit, not what the speedo thinks is the speed limit.
That's 19th and 20th century technology struggling in 2022. Versions I have recently used know what the speed limit is (including temporary roadwork s/ls) and get their speed from GPS not a comedy "speedometer."
Cruise control sucks in the UK, no roads being empty enough, except for playing suicide games on the lines of "Can I set it at 75 and get all the way to Carlisle without touching the pedals?"
Lol! Starts post by bemoaning '19th and 20th century technology' then seems blissfully unaware of Adaptive Cruise Control.
I use it all the time. It's particularly good in busy traffic, cruising along A-roads, or when in stop-start motorway traffic.
It is as handy as fuck. And if like me you only speed through inattention pays for itself in awareness courses in the first year.
My car has a speed limiter and cruise control.
They're great.
What's really great about them is that I can choose when to switch them on, and set them to the real speed limit, not what the speedo thinks is the speed limit.
That's 19th and 20th century technology struggling in 2022. Versions I have recently used know what the speed limit is (including temporary roadwork s/ls) and get their speed from GPS not a comedy "speedometer."
Cruise control sucks in the UK, no roads being empty enough, except for playing suicide games on the lines of "Can I set it at 75 and get all the way to Carlisle without touching the pedals?"
I don't trust the car to detect the speed limit, but then again that's not the critical point in my comment...
No. Hard to see what is, though. You perhaps don't realise the EU mandated version can be overridden/ignored/switched off.
I think Labour has pretty much the right idea regarding any change to our relationship with the EU at the moment. Anything more than this and UKIP the Tories would say it was BINO:
It is as handy as fuck. And if like me you only speed through inattention pays for itself in awareness courses in the first year.
My car has a speed limiter and cruise control.
They're great.
What's really great about them is that I can choose when to switch them on, and set them to the real speed limit, not what the speedo thinks is the speed limit.
That's 19th and 20th century technology struggling in 2022. Versions I have recently used know what the speed limit is (including temporary roadwork s/ls) and get their speed from GPS not a comedy "speedometer."
Cruise control sucks in the UK, no roads being empty enough, except for playing suicide games on the lines of "Can I set it at 75 and get all the way to Carlisle without touching the pedals?"
Lol! Starts post by bemoaning '19th and 20th century technology' then seems blissfully unaware of Adaptive Cruise Control.
I use it all the time. It's particularly good in busy traffic, cruising along A-roads, or when in stop-start motorway traffic.
I believe the new “in hindsight were we right/wrong to leave the EU” polling has hit a new high in terms of “Wrong”.
34 Right 50 Wrong
That’s 42/58, removing Don’t Knows, had been sitting on 44/56 for quite a while.
I really do not see the point as we have left , rightly or wrongly, and the question should be how we improve it but with Labour ruling out joining the single market it seems little is going to change anytime soon
It’s useful to track the gradual (and eventually comprehensive) disillusion with the Groundnut Scheme 2.0.
Maybe but it is not finding solutions and the main two parties are not offering them
I believe we should join the single market and I really cannot fathom why Starmer and Lammy have comprehensively ruled it out
Hopefully the lib dems will make it a manifesto commitment
It’s a poll, not a manifesto.
As for the single market, the issue is FOM. Labour can’t go there. Ironically, since immigration seems unabated, it just comes from other places.
Maybe the Lib Dems can, although surely wouldn’t survive any coalition (or similar) commitment except for a general direction of travel.
I believe it is time for the opposition to take a stand on the single market as the Brexit narrative is changing, and not in a good way for the conservatives
Indeed they seem to think their old playbook will be popular, but then change is leaving them marooned in yesterday's arguments when normally the conservatives know how to change and win elections
Rejoining the SM gives very little positive, and a lot of negatives.
You’d be re-introducing FoM, meaning that all the unskilled workers who just had a pay rise would go back to seeing the minimum wage treated as a maximum, and jobs only advertised in Polish.
You’d be a rule-taker on a lot of domestic production and services, including the City, which would allow Macron to insert a shaft-the-British-because-we-can clause into every piece of EU legislation - legislation which would be enforced by a court of political appointees on which we don’t sit.
You’d do nothing about import/export paperwork, nor about Northern Ireland, these things primarily related to membership of the Customs Union rather than the Single Market. CU membership is not available to non-EU members
I believe the new “in hindsight were we right/wrong to leave the EU” polling has hit a new high in terms of “Wrong”.
34 Right 50 Wrong
That’s 42/58, removing Don’t Knows, had been sitting on 44/56 for quite a while.
Or including don't knows Brexit Wrong just 2% up on the 48% who voted Remain in 2016
Every time you make that claim, someone points out that you can't compare a poll where Leave + Remain have to add up to 100% with a poll where Good + Bad add up to 84%.
But even taking your interpretation at face value, 52% Leave has become 34% right. That's grim.
What the *+%#?! does the UK do if (when) the view of the people settles on "we've made a mistake that can't easily be reversed"? I can't see it being pretty.
In 2016 of course most DK's went Leave.
Though if Labour want to fight the next general election on a campaign to rejoin the EU and hand the redwall back to Johnson and the Tories on a plate, be my guest
It is as handy as fuck. And if like me you only speed through inattention pays for itself in awareness courses in the first year.
My car has a speed limiter and cruise control.
They're great.
What's really great about them is that I can choose when to switch them on, and set them to the real speed limit, not what the speedo thinks is the speed limit.
That's 19th and 20th century technology struggling in 2022. Versions I have recently used know what the speed limit is (including temporary roadwork s/ls) and get their speed from GPS not a comedy "speedometer."
Cruise control sucks in the UK, no roads being empty enough, except for playing suicide games on the lines of "Can I set it at 75 and get all the way to Carlisle without touching the pedals?"
I don't trust the car to detect the speed limit, but then again that's not the critical point in my comment...
No. Hard to see what is, though. You perhaps don't realise the EU mandated version can be overridden/ignored/switched off.
My understanding is that you have to actively switch them off, rather than choosing not to switch them on.
"As a matter of principle, if not economy, the local price should prevail. Please believe me — tipping 15 or 20 percent in Europe is unnecessary, if not culturally ignorant."
Even 10% is showing yourself up as a clueless Bozo.
Some of these Americans would be best advised to stay at home.
I believe the new “in hindsight were we right/wrong to leave the EU” polling has hit a new high in terms of “Wrong”.
34 Right 50 Wrong
That’s 42/58, removing Don’t Knows, had been sitting on 44/56 for quite a while.
I really do not see the point as we have left , rightly or wrongly, and the question should be how we improve it but with Labour ruling out joining the single market it seems little is going to change anytime soon
It’s useful to track the gradual (and eventually comprehensive) disillusion with the Groundnut Scheme 2.0.
Maybe but it is not finding solutions and the main two parties are not offering them
I believe we should join the single market and I really cannot fathom why Starmer and Lammy have comprehensively ruled it out
Hopefully the lib dems will make it a manifesto commitment
It’s a poll, not a manifesto.
As for the single market, the issue is FOM. Labour can’t go there. Ironically, since immigration seems unabated, it just comes from other places.
Maybe the Lib Dems can, although surely wouldn’t survive any coalition (or similar) commitment except for a general direction of travel.
I believe it is time for the opposition to take a stand on the single market as the Brexit narrative is changing, and not in a good way for the conservatives
Indeed they seem to think their old playbook will be popular, but then change is leaving them marooned in yesterday's arguments when normally the conservatives know how to change and win elections
Not yet, I think. I have nothing to back it up, but I feel like they need a term in Government first. The Country has to be led to the Single Market gently. They almost have to be forced into it by circumstance. The defence of necessity, as it were.
"As a matter of principle, if not economy, the local price should prevail. Please believe me — tipping 15 or 20 percent in Europe is unnecessary, if not culturally ignorant."
Even 10% is showing yourself up as a clueless Bozo.
Some of these Americans would be best advised to stay at home.
I believe the new “in hindsight were we right/wrong to leave the EU” polling has hit a new high in terms of “Wrong”.
34 Right 50 Wrong
That’s 42/58, removing Don’t Knows, had been sitting on 44/56 for quite a while.
Or including don't knows Brexit Wrong just 2% up on the 48% who voted Remain in 2016
Every time you make that claim, someone points out that you can't compare a poll where Leave + Remain have to add up to 100% with a poll where Good + Bad add up to 84%.
But even taking your interpretation at face value, 52% Leave has become 34% right. That's grim.
What the *+%#?! does the UK do if (when) the view of the people settles on "we've made a mistake that can't easily be reversed"? I can't see it being pretty.
In 2016 of course most DK's went Leave.
Though if Labour want to fight the next general election on a campaign to rejoin the EU and hand the redwall back to Johnson and the Tories on a plate, be my guest
Only SNP and Plaid will be for re-joining, though others may want to benefit from the single market
I believe the new “in hindsight were we right/wrong to leave the EU” polling has hit a new high in terms of “Wrong”.
34 Right 50 Wrong
That’s 42/58, removing Don’t Knows, had been sitting on 44/56 for quite a while.
Or including don't knows Brexit Wrong just 2% up on the 48% who voted Remain in 2016
Every time you make that claim, someone points out that you can't compare a poll where Leave + Remain have to add up to 100% with a poll where Good + Bad add up to 84%.
But even taking your interpretation at face value, 52% Leave has become 34% right. That's grim.
What the *+%#?! does the UK do if (when) the view of the people settles on "we've made a mistake that can't easily be reversed"? I can't see it being pretty.
Rejoining the single market should be the objective and sooner rather than later
Canada isn't in a single market with the USA.
If we rejoin the single market then there's very little point in being outside the EU. If you accept Brexit then it would be better to accept any short term price that might come from restructuring and get on with things.
But then you have a government telling people to accept the price for doing something they overall don't think is a good idea. Good luck selling that.
The point is- there's no good way forward from here. What I'm wondering is not so much what will happen, but what happens to the psyche of a nation that concludes it has made a mistake but can't/won't do anything about it.
I believe the new “in hindsight were we right/wrong to leave the EU” polling has hit a new high in terms of “Wrong”.
34 Right 50 Wrong
That’s 42/58, removing Don’t Knows, had been sitting on 44/56 for quite a while.
Or including don't knows Brexit Wrong just 2% up on the 48% who voted Remain in 2016
Every time you make that claim, someone points out that you can't compare a poll where Leave + Remain have to add up to 100% with a poll where Good + Bad add up to 84%.
But even taking your interpretation at face value, 52% Leave has become 34% right. That's grim.
What the *+%#?! does the UK do if (when) the view of the people settles on "we've made a mistake that can't easily be reversed"? I can't see it being pretty.
Rejoining the single market should be the objective and sooner rather than later
Canada isn't in a single market with the USA.
If we rejoin the single market then there's very little point in being outside the EU. If you accept Brexit then it would be better to accept any short term price that might come from restructuring and get on with things.
But then you have a government telling people to accept the price for doing something they overall don't think is a good idea. Good luck selling that.
The point is- there's no good way forward from here. What I'm wondering is not so much what will happen, but what happens to the psyche of a nation that concludes it has made a mistake but can't/won't do anything about it.
Also - with SNP and PC pro-Europe, not to mention the LDs, neither the Tories nor Labour can afford to admit they screwed up by going for Brexit, and still going for it.
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Are they in on the conspiracy theories you are peddling as well?
I'm sure you will have no problems stating them since you are so confident.
Or is this like when you and a fair few others were saying that the Hunter Biden laptop thing was a conspiracy theory? Didn't really see you admit you were wrong there. Lost your voice did you
Quest for equivalence re: 1/6 is part of Putinist game plan in USA. Obviously. Pathetically.
I go for no FPN issued as a 95%+ chance
If they say rules were broke but we dont issue FPNs retrospectively thats the worst possible option for SKS and Labour if he tries to stay as LOTO
The question was never "is that his laptop"
The question was "what was the chain of custody, has it been tampered with".
Thisnis your nornal peformative bollocks where younrry and delibertly cobfuse issues.
Like with your tiresome attempts to conflate the Steele Dossier with the Russia Investigation.
But that's not my point. I think Trump lost in 2020 and his whingeing about the election is false. But if you are going to start moaning about court interference, accept both sides do it.
How about this? It might be his laptop has been tampered with. But it might be those were his e-mails. Why not just follow the evidence?
You seem to have a bit of a conspiracy mindset yourself.
PM's spokesperson confirms new cars in the UK will NOT have to have speed limiters put in them from next week
"There are no plans to make intelligent speed assistance compulsory in all new vehicles from July 6...
"The EU is doing that but we are committed to making use of new and emerging technology to improve roads, road safety for motorists across the nation."
https://twitter.com/NatashaC/status/1542550212664762369
The question had always been the provenance - the story of how the laptop turned up was always preposterous. And pretending that wasn't the objection doesn't make it so.
And that turns it into a wikileaks dump where 99% of it is true but ooops, the juicy stuff is faked.
(I say this as someone who has gone on holiday to non-democracies with no qualms)
As in you think Biden is a bad president? Or as in you think the earth orbits the sun?
Hopefully they do in this instance!
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1541353260799369217?t=2WW5sWgTI4LMPwbWkp2P5Q&s=19
34 Right
50 Wrong
That’s 42/58, removing Don’t Knows, had been sitting on 44/56 for quite a while.
You don't see it banning vehicles from Russia, Belarus, Turkey or US imports and I'm fairly sure their vehicle standards are much lower than the UK's which currently matches the EU.
Honestly, while a lot of the time the EU's rules are sensible, you need to accept that having twelve gold stars stamped onto something is not the only acceptable standard of safety.
Used cars are expensive enough already as it is.
Guido seems to think they have moved on
Took SKS 18 days to respond to Police Questionnaire as well he reckons
London news: Capital is UK’s carjacking capital
https://uknewspost.com/london-news-capital-is-uks-carjacking-capital-with-more-than-two-incidents-a-day/
PICKET LINE SUPPORTING COMMIE
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/vo71ae/how_to_become_president_with_22_of_the_vote/
Same party anyway, which makes adopting the c of c approach interesting.
They're great.
What's really great about them is that I can choose when to switch them on, and set them to the real speed limit, not what the speedo thinks is the speed limit.
If ever a man was less suited to re energising anything I have yet to meet them
I believe we should join the single market and I really cannot fathom why Starmer and Lammy have comprehensively ruled it out
Hopefully the lib dems will make it a manifesto commitment
The fury of this makes it worth posting at length. I feel for this guy. He’s tried his best.
https://twitter.com/pacarnahan/status/1542492329826828290?s=21&t=03AuXaXiGaBKZpxVZyObCA
But even taking your interpretation at face value, 52% Leave has become 34% right. That's grim.
What the *+%#?! does the UK do if (when) the view of the people settles on "we've made a mistake that can't easily be reversed"? I can't see it being pretty.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/28/what-does-durham-polices-statement-dominic-cummings-tell-us
As for the single market, the issue is FOM.
Labour can’t go there.
Ironically, since immigration seems unabated, it just comes from other places.
Maybe the Lib Dems can, although surely wouldn’t survive any coalition (or similar) commitment except for a general direction of travel.
"REMOANER STARMER WANTS TO BETRAY THE BRITISH PEOPLE AND REJOIN THE EU"
Cruise control sucks in the UK, no roads being empty enough, except for playing suicide games on the lines of "Can I set it at 75 and get all the way to Carlisle without touching the pedals?"
"As a matter of principle, if not economy, the local price should prevail. Please believe me — tipping 15 or 20 percent in Europe is unnecessary, if not culturally ignorant."
Indeed they seem to think their old playbook will be popular, but then change is leaving them marooned in yesterday's arguments when normally the conservatives know how to change and win elections
Far-called, our navies melt away;
On dune and headland sinks the fire:
Lo, all our pomp of yesterday
Is one with Nineveh and Tyre!
Judge of the Nations, spare us yet,
Lest we forget—lest we forget!
*goes off to mourn with some Cotes du Rhone*
Tsk
If we rejoin the single market then there's very little point in being outside the EU. If you accept Brexit then it would be better to accept any short term price that might come from restructuring and get on with things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfg5zaokOkw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzI4z_LphQE
Re: American tourists to Kotor, no doubt RS has influenced that trend somewhat.
On other hand, fact that it's an obvious deep-water cruise ship destination (similar to Skagway) is likely MORE of a factor.
And for most part, stop at Kotor is just one among several along the scenic eastern shore of the Adriatic.
“Of course Mick Lynch has my support”.
I use it all the time. It's particularly good in busy traffic, cruising along A-roads, or when in stop-start motorway traffic.
You should get up to date and try it some time.
UKIPthe Tories would say it was BINO:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/23/labour-unveil-plans-to-seek-limited-changes-to-brexit-deal
Why not just drive the car?
You’d be re-introducing FoM, meaning that all the unskilled workers who just had a pay rise would go back to seeing the minimum wage treated as a maximum, and jobs only advertised in Polish.
You’d be a rule-taker on a lot of domestic production and services, including the City, which would allow Macron to insert a shaft-the-British-because-we-can clause into every piece of EU legislation - legislation which would be enforced by a court of political appointees on which we don’t sit.
You’d do nothing about import/export paperwork, nor about Northern Ireland, these things primarily related to membership of the Customs Union rather than the Single Market. CU membership is not available to non-EU members
Though if Labour want to fight the next general election on a campaign to rejoin the EU and hand the redwall back to Johnson and the Tories on a plate, be my guest
Some of these Americans would be best advised to stay at home.
Next stop, Vernazza…
HA HA HA
The point is- there's no good way forward from here. What I'm wondering is not so much what will happen, but what happens to the psyche of a nation that concludes it has made a mistake but can't/won't do anything about it.