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I understand (as in half listened to someone going on about it on radio 4) that the silk road was a bit less glamorous than it sounds because goods didn't typically travel end-to-end in the hands of one merchant. Usual pattern was a series of small steps so you'd go 25 miles down your end of it, sell your stuff and push off home. The guy you had sold to would go a further 25 miles...Richard_Tyndall said:
Wow that is brilliant. Travelling the Silk Road has always been my life's ambition. When I was a Kid I imagined doing it by horseback. Then when I got to old for such idiocy I decided it would be better by 4WD. Now I wonder if I could do the whole lot by train.Flatlander said:Double FPT
Yes, the Tien Shan would be on my list too.Richard_Tyndall said:FPT
Leon said:PB BRAINS TRUST
I am working out where to go next, after I’ve finished Armenia and Georgia. I’ve kind of had enough of post USSR states, charmingly ramshackle as they are. That said, I am drawn to the Stans, particularly Kyrgyzstan, which looks small enough to see in a week
But where else could I go within striking distance of the Caucasus? I don’t want to double back to europe. Is there anywhere in India that has decent weather in July? Ladakh sounds like it does, but what the hell is Ladakh?!
I always fancied the area around the Tian Shan mountains in Kazakhstan. It is supposed to be where much of our hard fruit - apples, pears etc - originated. Apparently they still have wild apple forests there.
Really anywhere along the old Silk Route looks amazing. I think perhaps Samarkand in Uzbekistan looks the best, both because of its amazing architecture and its almost mythical history.
Mrs Flatlander had a tutor that spent a lot of time investigating the origins of the domestic apple and he was the first to confirm it had come from there (using early DNA analysis).
A book was written...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Extraordinary-Story-Apple-Barrie-Juniper/dp/1842466550
Does that make it the actual "Eden"?1 -
Nah, the ground is too dry and the forecast rain too little. Festival-goers will be fine this year.MoonRabbit said:
Enjoy!RH1992 said:
Travel update: Somerset.JosiasJessop said:
Travel update: Cambourne.Applicant said:Travel update: Helsinki.
No noticeable delay at passport control. Sent straight through without any questions, not even asking to see the Covid passport which they are supposed to AIUI. Had to ask to be stamped in. Maybe travelling with an EU passport holder helped, maybe it's just not as bad as the scare stories being put about.
Commuter train into the city centre: zero masks in evidence. At most half a dozen out of ~200 passengers on the plane (Norwegian abolished their mask rules a while ago and AFAICT doesn't even recommend them).
No noticeable delay in the waiting area (office); however there was a momentary problem on the landing, when I had to stoop down to pick up a couple of empty tea cups. The journey involved two flights (of stairs). I'm afraid the journey was definitely economy class, and I saw no sign of any stewardesses. There was a minor issue at my destination, as my hands were full when I had to pull open the door to the dining room. Some shuffling allowed me through and to the kitchen sink.
And I did not need to show my passport once!
I must say the lack of a stewardess on a flight that was essentially empty (I was the only passenger) is a poor indicator on Jessop Airways. I hear their rail services are better...
Two hour queue through border control into the world's best guarded campsite this morning in 23C blazing sunshine.
Lovely weather this afternoon, but very hard to find shade.
It will get a bit muddy though. 😕1 -
Excellent piece, slightly more reassuring.Cicero said:A good piece pointing out the significant problems that are gathering around Putin.
https://samf.substack.com/p/paralysis-in-moscow?s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
Bring on the heavy artillery.
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CorrectHorseBattery said:
Let's freeze the pension for five years. Only fair.
Freeze the pension and you will freeze plenty of pensioners.
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Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.2 -
I didn't say on here. I know someone IRL who does - because apparently we're always the bad guys.Benpointer said:
Who do you think on here is supporting Russia?JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
That aside, I have a feeling this could be a very big issue for years to come. It's a heinous action by the Russian authorities. Far worse than the slaughter of innocent civilians in many ways.
Russian total fertility rate hasn't been above 2 since the fall of the Soviet Union, so they now appear to be solving their demographic issues by stealing their neighbours children.
Agree with the rest of your post.0 -
It is a colossal and unspeakable war crime, tantamount to a genocide. If they are really doing this, Putin is making the world uninhabitable for Russians for a generation. No one will want to know them. They will be global pariahsBenpointer said:
Who do you think on here is supporting Russia?JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
That aside, I have a feeling this could be a very big issue for years to come. It's a heinous action by the Russian authorities. Far worse than the slaughter of innocent civilians in many ways.
Russian total fertility rate hasn't been above 2 since the fall of the Soviet Union, so they now appear to be solving their demographic issues by stealing their neighbours children.
At least genocidal China also builds roads and airports and bridges for poorer countries. Russia exports vodka, death and barbarism
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Everyday is a PB school day, thank you Master Tweed. Brilliant post. I always thought the rule was place name/compass point.Harris_Tweed said:Where does the moniker "Shropshire North" come from? I see it crop up occasionally, but Parliament has it listed as North Shropshire, as does the Electoral Commission, ONS, Ordnance Survey.. and indeed the Parliamentary Constituencies Order (England) 1983 which created it!
To be fair, there are few other forums I'd bother to have this discussion, but the principle seems clear enough:
Borough Constituencies have the compass point afterwards (Walsall North).
County Constituencies (and they don't come much more 'county' than North Shropshire
) have them before.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/how-do-constituencies-get-their-names/2 -
Even more 'hideously white' than usual then?Benpointer said:
Nah, the ground is too dry and the forecast rain too little. Festival-goers will be fine this year.MoonRabbit said:
Enjoy!RH1992 said:
Travel update: Somerset.JosiasJessop said:
Travel update: Cambourne.Applicant said:Travel update: Helsinki.
No noticeable delay at passport control. Sent straight through without any questions, not even asking to see the Covid passport which they are supposed to AIUI. Had to ask to be stamped in. Maybe travelling with an EU passport holder helped, maybe it's just not as bad as the scare stories being put about.
Commuter train into the city centre: zero masks in evidence. At most half a dozen out of ~200 passengers on the plane (Norwegian abolished their mask rules a while ago and AFAICT doesn't even recommend them).
No noticeable delay in the waiting area (office); however there was a momentary problem on the landing, when I had to stoop down to pick up a couple of empty tea cups. The journey involved two flights (of stairs). I'm afraid the journey was definitely economy class, and I saw no sign of any stewardesses. There was a minor issue at my destination, as my hands were full when I had to pull open the door to the dining room. Some shuffling allowed me through and to the kitchen sink.
And I did not need to show my passport once!
I must say the lack of a stewardess on a flight that was essentially empty (I was the only passenger) is a poor indicator on Jessop Airways. I hear their rail services are better...
Two hour queue through border control into the world's best guarded campsite this morning in 23C blazing sunshine.
Lovely weather this afternoon, but very hard to find shade.
It will get a bit muddy though. 😕
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Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
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North Durham & NW Durham? Both are county constituencies, and I guess the Durham in question is the county rather than the city? Therefore, that's compliant with the Commons Library article above.dixiedean said:
The Durham ones don't. Or is that also an error?Harris_Tweed said:Where does the moniker "Shropshire North" come from? I see it crop up occasionally, but Parliament has it listed as North Shropshire, as does the Electoral Commission, ONS, Ordnance Survey.. and indeed the Parliamentary Constituencies Order (England) 1983 which created it!
To be fair, there are few other forums I'd bother to have this discussion, but the principle seems clear enough:
Borough Constituencies have the compass point afterwards (Walsall North).
County Constituencies (and they don't come much more 'county' than North Shropshire) have them before.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/how-do-constituencies-get-their-names/1 -
And, until recently, the gas that stops Europeans freezing to death.Leon said:
It is a colossal and unspeakable war crime, tantamount to a genocide. If they are really doing this, Putin is making the world uninhabitable for Russians for a generation. No one will want to know them. They will be global pariahsBenpointer said:
Who do you think on here is supporting Russia?JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
That aside, I have a feeling this could be a very big issue for years to come. It's a heinous action by the Russian authorities. Far worse than the slaughter of innocent civilians in many ways.
Russian total fertility rate hasn't been above 2 since the fall of the Soviet Union, so they now appear to be solving their demographic issues by stealing their neighbours children.
At least genocidal China also builds roads and airports and bridges for poorer countries. Russia exports vodka, death and barbarism0 -
Did anyone think that the average trader went… 5000 miles from Chengdu to Venice?IshmaelZ said:
I understand (as in half listened to someone going on about it on radio 4) that the silk road was a bit less glamorous than it sounds because goods didn't typically travel end-to-end in the hands of one merchant. Usual pattern was a series of small steps so you'd go 25 miles down your end of it, sell your stuff and push off home. The guy you had sold to would go a further 25 miles...Richard_Tyndall said:
Wow that is brilliant. Travelling the Silk Road has always been my life's ambition. When I was a Kid I imagined doing it by horseback. Then when I got to old for such idiocy I decided it would be better by 4WD. Now I wonder if I could do the whole lot by train.Flatlander said:Double FPT
Yes, the Tien Shan would be on my list too.Richard_Tyndall said:FPT
Leon said:PB BRAINS TRUST
I am working out where to go next, after I’ve finished Armenia and Georgia. I’ve kind of had enough of post USSR states, charmingly ramshackle as they are. That said, I am drawn to the Stans, particularly Kyrgyzstan, which looks small enough to see in a week
But where else could I go within striking distance of the Caucasus? I don’t want to double back to europe. Is there anywhere in India that has decent weather in July? Ladakh sounds like it does, but what the hell is Ladakh?!
I always fancied the area around the Tian Shan mountains in Kazakhstan. It is supposed to be where much of our hard fruit - apples, pears etc - originated. Apparently they still have wild apple forests there.
Really anywhere along the old Silk Route looks amazing. I think perhaps Samarkand in Uzbekistan looks the best, both because of its amazing architecture and its almost mythical history.
Mrs Flatlander had a tutor that spent a lot of time investigating the origins of the domestic apple and he was the first to confirm it had come from there (using early DNA analysis).
A book was written...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Extraordinary-Story-Apple-Barrie-Juniper/dp/1842466550
Does that make it the actual "Eden"?
That’s why Marco Polo was exceptional0 -
For alphabetical sorting reasons, all electorates should start with place of name first and point of compass second.
It’s fucking obvious.
Sort it out, Electoral Commission.6 -
You are against evil? Good for you, but what is this hectoring nonsense about requiring othe people to condemn it? Why haven't you condemned Herod's murder of the innocents, for instance?Mortimer said:
The source is the Russian military.Luckyguy1983 said:
I appreciate your passion against against this sort of thing - I would also appreciate links to sources of information, as is normal on PB when reporting news.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I wish people would spend less time on the fence demanding 'sources', and more condemning evil when it is right in front of them.....
And sources are not 'sources' they are just sources, and a reasonable thing to ask for. A link would probably be even better than 'the Russian military.'0 -
@Luckyguy1983 @NickPalmer and @Roger have all exhibited somewhat pro-Russia or Ukraine-should-lose sympathies, to my mindGardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
There may be others0 -
Senator Joe McCarthy there....Leon said:
@Luckyguy1983 @NickPalmer and @Roger have all exhibited somewhat pro-Russia or Ukraine-should-lose sympathies, to my mindGardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
There may be others1 -
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-ukrainian-babushka-who-sprung-her-orphaned-grandson-from-russias-clutches-bzzzmg68nLuckyguy1983 said:
I appreciate your passion against against this sort of thing - I would also appreciate links to sources of information, as is normal on PB when reporting news.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
and The Kyiv Independent, quoting a Russian new source.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1538461156544847872
Now, may I ask you again: do you believe the Dutch reports in the MH17 shootdown? Do you think they got the events about right?1 -
MISTY said:
Senator Joe McCarthy there....Leon said:
@Luckyguy1983 @NickPalmer and @Roger have all exhibited somewhat pro-Russia or Ukraine-should-lose sympathies, to my mindGardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
There may be others
Tis just the truth, as I see it
Also, it makes sense. PB is fairly representative of wider Britain (or geekland). I have members of my own family who are unexpectedly pro-Putin
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My Glastonbury life has had four distinct phases.RH1992 said:In an additional Glastonbury update, I'm wondering if @Leon has decided to come here as I can see this duopoly of flags flying proudly from where I'm sat.
1. Never heard of Glastonbury
2. Couldn't afford to go to Glastonbury
3. Couldn't get tickets to Glastonbury
4. Don't want to go to Glastonbury.7 -
As if that is representative of anything ever…Leon said:MISTY said:
Senator Joe McCarthy there....Leon said:
@Luckyguy1983 @NickPalmer and @Roger have all exhibited somewhat pro-Russia or Ukraine-should-lose sympathies, to my mindGardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
There may be others
Tis just the truth, as I see it
Also, it makes sense. PB is fairly representative of wider Britain (or geekland). I have members of my own family who are unexpectedly pro-Putin0 -
Really?Gardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.0 -
LuckyGuy maybe. More a general tendency to disbelieve Western propaganda to the absurd end of favouring Russian propaganda.Leon said:
@Luckyguy1983 @NickPalmer and @Roger have all exhibited somewhat pro-Russia or Ukraine-should-lose sympathies, to my mindGardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
NickPalmer is just expressing a misguided (in my opinion) form of realpolitik. He is surely not pro-Russian invasion.
Roger…is Roger.
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Can I introduce you to google? Its all the rage you know....IshmaelZ said:
You are against evil? Good for you, but what is this hectoring nonsense about requiring othe people to condemn it? Why haven't you condemned Herod's murder of the innocents, for instance?Mortimer said:
The source is the Russian military.Luckyguy1983 said:
I appreciate your passion against against this sort of thing - I would also appreciate links to sources of information, as is normal on PB when reporting news.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I wish people would spend less time on the fence demanding 'sources', and more condemning evil when it is right in front of them.....
And sources are not 'sources' they are just sources, and a reasonable thing to ask for. A link would probably be even better than 'the Russian military.'0 -
I think I sort of did, without really thinking about it. So did James Elroy Flecker by the look of itLeon said:
Did anyone think that the average trader went… 5000 miles from Chengdu to Venice?IshmaelZ said:
I understand (as in half listened to someone going on about it on radio 4) that the silk road was a bit less glamorous than it sounds because goods didn't typically travel end-to-end in the hands of one merchant. Usual pattern was a series of small steps so you'd go 25 miles down your end of it, sell your stuff and push off home. The guy you had sold to would go a further 25 miles...Richard_Tyndall said:
Wow that is brilliant. Travelling the Silk Road has always been my life's ambition. When I was a Kid I imagined doing it by horseback. Then when I got to old for such idiocy I decided it would be better by 4WD. Now I wonder if I could do the whole lot by train.Flatlander said:Double FPT
Yes, the Tien Shan would be on my list too.Richard_Tyndall said:FPT
Leon said:PB BRAINS TRUST
I am working out where to go next, after I’ve finished Armenia and Georgia. I’ve kind of had enough of post USSR states, charmingly ramshackle as they are. That said, I am drawn to the Stans, particularly Kyrgyzstan, which looks small enough to see in a week
But where else could I go within striking distance of the Caucasus? I don’t want to double back to europe. Is there anywhere in India that has decent weather in July? Ladakh sounds like it does, but what the hell is Ladakh?!
I always fancied the area around the Tian Shan mountains in Kazakhstan. It is supposed to be where much of our hard fruit - apples, pears etc - originated. Apparently they still have wild apple forests there.
Really anywhere along the old Silk Route looks amazing. I think perhaps Samarkand in Uzbekistan looks the best, both because of its amazing architecture and its almost mythical history.
Mrs Flatlander had a tutor that spent a lot of time investigating the origins of the domestic apple and he was the first to confirm it had come from there (using early DNA analysis).
A book was written...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Extraordinary-Story-Apple-Barrie-Juniper/dp/1842466550
Does that make it the actual "Eden"?
That’s why Marco Polo was exceptional
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Very mostly.JosiasJessop said:
Really?Gardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
But if you think they’re are individual posters who do, by all means call them out.
I think like all of us you are outraged and horrified by Russian crimes, but I do not believe you should waste energy taking aim at slightly phantasmal supporters.
Direct your fire full on at Putin and his henchmen.
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Maybe they and their families and friends should be taken across the border and be given a three year re-education course. That should be long enough to ensure they stop supporting evil.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.0 -
They are not 'slightly phantasmal'.Gardenwalker said:
Very mostly.JosiasJessop said:
Really?Gardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
But if you think they’re are individual posters who do, by all means call them out.
I think like all of us you are outraged and horrified by Russian crimes, but I do not believe you should waste energy taking aim at slightly phantasmal supporters.
Direct your fire full on at Putin and his henchmen.
And it's sad that you take that sort of line.1 -
One thing that Freedman fails to note in his excellent piece posted upthread is the Trump factor.
After the mid-terms, we are entering the presidential election cycle, and Trump will surely campaign against “Biden-flation”, and once again pose as a tough-talking businessman who can solve Ukraine mano e mano with Putin.
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One 'news' source quotes another 'news' source (Daily Mail, should be enough said at this point), and if you read the actual Mail article, it a 'source' who says that the D-G said it in private. There's no there, there.Leon said:
Did you see THIS, @Nigelb?Nigelb said:
You're talking to a libertarian, remember.bondegezou said:
I don’t think you’re meant to be driving on the pavement however.BartholomewRoberts said:
You have to pick a side and get past the gutter to get safely to the pavement.Nigelb said:
And if you way to the right or left, you're in the gutter.BartholomewRoberts said:
The thing is their great strength in by-elections became their great weakness in 2015.LostPassword said:
The mistake many of us made in 2015 was in thinking that the Lib Dems could effectively run many by-election campaigns in parallel, and thereby hold onto more of their seats. So resources are likely a large part of the explanation.Jonathan said:Begs the question why the LDs spectacularly underachieve at General Elections. It's not just resources. Even Clegg at peak underperformed. Odd.
I guess the LDs are for many primarily a protest vehicle.
The other thing is that, for better or for worse, our general elections have now mostly reduced to the question of which of the two party leaders people want to see as Prime Minister. Despite the best efforts of our next Prime Minister, Jo Swinson, it's much harder to convince the public that the Lib Dems are at the races in the national contest.
Winning here? Maybe. Winning nationwide? Lol, no.
In a by-election they're a great repository for protest votes. They can say anything, do anything, stand for anything depending upon what is popular in that locale. No principles necessary.
They can say to right-leaning voters "vote for us, to stop the Labour Party" or to left-leaning ones "vote for us, to stop the Tories". They can tell NIMBYs that they're against property development, or tell young people they should be able to get on the ladder and not have to rent. Consistency doesn't matter in a by-election where you're just making a point of protest.
But choosing a government? That's different. If you stand for everything, then you stand for nothing. In 2015 it became a case of telling left-leaning voters that a vote for the Lib Dems could let in the Tories, while telling right-leaning voters that a vote for the Lib Dems could let in Labour.
If you're going to stand in the middle of the road, you're in danger of being hit by oncoming vehicles.
“Covid virus likely leaked from Wuhan lab: WHO chief Tedros Ghebreyesus
“According to WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the most likely explanation was a catastrophic accident at a laboratory in Wuhan, where infections first spread during late 2019, Daily Mail reported.”
Lol. And thus we come a complete full circle, where we end up admitting what was fucking obvious from the beginning, except to idiots
Basically, I am right about everything. Including DEM ALIENS
https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/world/covid-virus-likely-leaked-from-wuhan-lab-says-who-chief-tedros-ghebreyesus-2022-06-20-7860162 -
Your attempts at moral blackmail don’t really wash with me, I’m afraid.JosiasJessop said:
They are not 'slightly phantasmal'.Gardenwalker said:
Very mostly.JosiasJessop said:
Really?Gardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
But if you think they’re are individual posters who do, by all means call them out.
I think like all of us you are outraged and horrified by Russian crimes, but I do not believe you should waste energy taking aim at slightly phantasmal supporters.
Direct your fire full on at Putin and his henchmen.
And it's sad that you take that sort of line.
You appear desperate to find some Russian stooge to virtue signal against. I don’t know why, but it’s very conspicuous.
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Just saw my first dark, regal, navy blue new-skool British passport being wielded with authority here in Yerevan Airport, Armenia
I know this might not please everyone, but it is an impressive looking thing
It says YES, BRITISH - the land that gave the world this language, plus the industrial Revolution. And Darwin. And newton. And Shakespeare. And the internet. And virtually all of the music you play in your bars
Yes, BRITISH
Quiet but commanding. I like.3 -
My Glastonbury life has also had four phases:OnlyLivingBoy said:
My Glastonbury life has had four distinct phases.RH1992 said:In an additional Glastonbury update, I'm wondering if @Leon has decided to come here as I can see this duopoly of flags flying proudly from where I'm sat.
1. Never heard of Glastonbury
2. Couldn't afford to go to Glastonbury
3. Couldn't get tickets to Glastonbury
4. Don't want to go to Glastonbury.
1. Walking to Glastonbury.
2. Staying at a campsite at Glastonbury (not festival), and being woken up by the French couple in the next tent having very noisy sex. Or they were skinning a cat. One of the two.
3. Climbing Glastonbury Tor.
4. Walking out of Glastonbury.
That's about enough Glasto for me. 1 -
I'll admit freely to believing Russian propaganda in the past, but my posts on this conflict (which have been few) have not been Russian propaganda, they have merely urged caution against accepting wholesale some of the more dangerous propaganda coming from the Ukrainian side. Involvement in this conflict is serious stuff. It deserves looking at with sagacity, not from a standpoint of emotional manipulation, which I find very evident here in the posts of others.Gardenwalker said:
LuckyGuy maybe. More a general tendency to disbelieve Western propaganda to the absurd end of favouring Russian propaganda.Leon said:
@Luckyguy1983 @NickPalmer and @Roger have all exhibited somewhat pro-Russia or Ukraine-should-lose sympathies, to my mindGardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
NickPalmer is just expressing a misguided (in my opinion) form of realpolitik. He is surely not pro-Russian invasion.
Roger…is Roger.
In no way do I support the invasion by Russia of Ukraine.
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Yeah, right. Whatevs.Gardenwalker said:
Your attempts at moral blackmail don’t really wash with me, I’m afraid.JosiasJessop said:
They are not 'slightly phantasmal'.Gardenwalker said:
Very mostly.JosiasJessop said:
Really?Gardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
But if you think they’re are individual posters who do, by all means call them out.
I think like all of us you are outraged and horrified by Russian crimes, but I do not believe you should waste energy taking aim at slightly phantasmal supporters.
Direct your fire full on at Putin and his henchmen.
And it's sad that you take that sort of line.
You appear desperate to find some Russian stooge to virtue signal against. I don’t know why, but it’s very conspicuous.0 -
I suppose you could have managed a more lame response but I can't immediately think how. It is courtesy and good sense for the person introducing the subject to produce the evidenceMortimer said:
Can I introduce you to google? Its all the rage you know....IshmaelZ said:
You are against evil? Good for you, but what is this hectoring nonsense about requiring othe people to condemn it? Why haven't you condemned Herod's murder of the innocents, for instance?Mortimer said:
The source is the Russian military.Luckyguy1983 said:
I appreciate your passion against against this sort of thing - I would also appreciate links to sources of information, as is normal on PB when reporting news.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I wish people would spend less time on the fence demanding 'sources', and more condemning evil when it is right in front of them.....
And sources are not 'sources' they are just sources, and a reasonable thing to ask for. A link would probably be even better than 'the Russian military.'
Still nothing about Herod, I note. Hmmmm...0 -
'emotional manipulation'Luckyguy1983 said:
I'll admit freely to believing Russian propaganda in the past, but my posts on this conflict (which have been few) have not been Russian propaganda, they have merely urged caution against accepting wholesale some of the more dangerous propaganda coming from the Ukrainian side. Involvement in this conflict is serious stuff. It deserves looking at with sagacity, not from a standpoint of emotional manipulation, which I find very evident here in the posts of others.Gardenwalker said:
LuckyGuy maybe. More a general tendency to disbelieve Western propaganda to the absurd end of favouring Russian propaganda.Leon said:
@Luckyguy1983 @NickPalmer and @Roger have all exhibited somewhat pro-Russia or Ukraine-should-lose sympathies, to my mindGardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
NickPalmer is just expressing a misguided (in my opinion) form of realpolitik. He is surely not pro-Russian invasion.
Roger…is Roger.
In no way do I support the invasion by Russia of Ukraine.
Tell that to the families of the MH17 victims. Or those Ukrainian kids.
I ask again: do you agree with the Dutch findings into MH 17?1 -
Yeah. My mother is. I find it frustrating, bewildering and not a little upsetting.Leon said:MISTY said:
Senator Joe McCarthy there....Leon said:
@Luckyguy1983 @NickPalmer and @Roger have all exhibited somewhat pro-Russia or Ukraine-should-lose sympathies, to my mindGardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
There may be others
Tis just the truth, as I see it
Also, it makes sense. PB is fairly representative of wider Britain (or geekland). I have members of my own family who are unexpectedly pro-Putin0 -
That reads a bit like your contribution to this year's "Bad Sex in Fiction" award.Leon said:Just saw my first dark, regal, navy blue new-skool British passport being wielded with authority here in Yerevan Airport, Armenia
I know this might not please everyone, but it is an impressive looking thing
It says YES, BRITISH - the land that gave the world this language, plus the industrial Revolution. And Darwin. And newton. And Shakespeare. And the internet. And virtually all of the music you play in your bars
Yes, BRITISH
Quiet but commanding. I like.
Was it really that orgasmic?1 -
Crikey, is all that on the cover? Or is it on one of the inside pages after (or instead of?) "Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State requests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance, and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary.”Leon said:Just saw my first dark, regal, navy blue new-skool British passport being wielded with authority here in Yerevan Airport, Armenia
I know this might not please everyone, but it is an impressive looking thing
It says YES, BRITISH - the land that gave the world this language, plus the industrial Revolution. And Darwin. And newton. And Shakespeare. And the internet. And virtually all of the music you play in your bars
Yes, BRITISH
Quiet but commanding. I like.
I don't care what colour my passport is or whether it says EU on the front or not. But I'll be pissed if I end up queueing longer.
Edit: Interesting though. As someone who uses a passport more than most of us, do you/will you care? Are you going to 'lose' yours so you can get a blue replacement asap?0 -
But of course - that's why all the stops on the way were so wealthy. They weren't just there to provide the 12th Century version of a Holiday Inn Express, they were vibrant trading posts which pulled in local agriculture and manufacturing. And they also allowed information about demand for individual items to travel back again.IshmaelZ said:
I understand (as in half listened to someone going on about it on radio 4) that the silk road was a bit less glamorous than it sounds because goods didn't typically travel end-to-end in the hands of one merchant. Usual pattern was a series of small steps so you'd go 25 miles down your end of it, sell your stuff and push off home. The guy you had sold to would go a further 25 miles...Richard_Tyndall said:
Wow that is brilliant. Travelling the Silk Road has always been my life's ambition. When I was a Kid I imagined doing it by horseback. Then when I got to old for such idiocy I decided it would be better by 4WD. Now I wonder if I could do the whole lot by train.Flatlander said:Double FPT
Yes, the Tien Shan would be on my list too.Richard_Tyndall said:FPT
Leon said:PB BRAINS TRUST
I am working out where to go next, after I’ve finished Armenia and Georgia. I’ve kind of had enough of post USSR states, charmingly ramshackle as they are. That said, I am drawn to the Stans, particularly Kyrgyzstan, which looks small enough to see in a week
But where else could I go within striking distance of the Caucasus? I don’t want to double back to europe. Is there anywhere in India that has decent weather in July? Ladakh sounds like it does, but what the hell is Ladakh?!
I always fancied the area around the Tian Shan mountains in Kazakhstan. It is supposed to be where much of our hard fruit - apples, pears etc - originated. Apparently they still have wild apple forests there.
Really anywhere along the old Silk Route looks amazing. I think perhaps Samarkand in Uzbekistan looks the best, both because of its amazing architecture and its almost mythical history.
Mrs Flatlander had a tutor that spent a lot of time investigating the origins of the domestic apple and he was the first to confirm it had come from there (using early DNA analysis).
A book was written...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Extraordinary-Story-Apple-Barrie-Juniper/dp/1842466550
Does that make it the actual "Eden"?0 -
To be fair, @Woger is not so much pro-Russian as concerned for the real victims in this -dixiedean said:
Yeah. My mother is. I find it frustrating, bewildering and not a little upsetting.Leon said:MISTY said:
Senator Joe McCarthy there....Leon said:
@Luckyguy1983 @NickPalmer and @Roger have all exhibited somewhat pro-Russia or Ukraine-should-lose sympathies, to my mindGardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
There may be others
Tis just the truth, as I see it
Also, it makes sense. PB is fairly representative of wider Britain (or geekland). I have members of my own family who are unexpectedly pro-Putin
The people who have been deprived of their yachts.
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Well, you should probably say they've won four of five where they've gone "all in" for in the past decade, as we don't know about T&H yet.Flanner said:Two observations:
1. The last LD loss in a "full gas" by election wasn't ten years ago. In the past 6 years, the JDs have gone "full gas" at just five seats (Witney, Richmond Park, C&A, Shropshire North and Tiverton & Honiton), all in by-elections. So far they've won only three. Mind you, the BIG exception (Witney 2016) was fundamentally different in lacking a de facto deal with Labour (in Witney three charismatic, non-LD, Remain, high-energy, Left-leaning candidates shared the anti-Leave vote with the LD), while at T&H there are four non-Tory, Leave, anti-migration candidates to make the Tory's job tougher.
2. A piece in the local rag yesterday (https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/bookies-predict-tiverton-honiton-election-7233206) showed that, of locals offered a free £1 bet in the Tiverton Betfred shop on the outcome, a "majority" opted for the Tory, beating the LD.
The T&H 1/4 LD odds reflect the judgement of armchair pundits nationwide. The Betfred straw poll reflects attitudes on the Tiverton High St. Admittedly: mostly male, and who knows how many will actually vote? But at least they're in the constituency. Even LD HQ admits the rail strike's in the way of getting its armies down to Tivvy to get the leaflets out,0 -
I did.Leon said:
Did you see THIS, @Nigelb?Nigelb said:
You're talking to a libertarian, remember.bondegezou said:
I don’t think you’re meant to be driving on the pavement however.BartholomewRoberts said:
You have to pick a side and get past the gutter to get safely to the pavement.Nigelb said:
And if you way to the right or left, you're in the gutter.BartholomewRoberts said:
The thing is their great strength in by-elections became their great weakness in 2015.LostPassword said:
The mistake many of us made in 2015 was in thinking that the Lib Dems could effectively run many by-election campaigns in parallel, and thereby hold onto more of their seats. So resources are likely a large part of the explanation.Jonathan said:Begs the question why the LDs spectacularly underachieve at General Elections. It's not just resources. Even Clegg at peak underperformed. Odd.
I guess the LDs are for many primarily a protest vehicle.
The other thing is that, for better or for worse, our general elections have now mostly reduced to the question of which of the two party leaders people want to see as Prime Minister. Despite the best efforts of our next Prime Minister, Jo Swinson, it's much harder to convince the public that the Lib Dems are at the races in the national contest.
Winning here? Maybe. Winning nationwide? Lol, no.
In a by-election they're a great repository for protest votes. They can say anything, do anything, stand for anything depending upon what is popular in that locale. No principles necessary.
They can say to right-leaning voters "vote for us, to stop the Labour Party" or to left-leaning ones "vote for us, to stop the Tories". They can tell NIMBYs that they're against property development, or tell young people they should be able to get on the ladder and not have to rent. Consistency doesn't matter in a by-election where you're just making a point of protest.
But choosing a government? That's different. If you stand for everything, then you stand for nothing. In 2015 it became a case of telling left-leaning voters that a vote for the Lib Dems could let in the Tories, while telling right-leaning voters that a vote for the Lib Dems could let in Labour.
If you're going to stand in the middle of the road, you're in danger of being hit by oncoming vehicles.
“Covid virus likely leaked from Wuhan lab: WHO chief Tedros Ghebreyesus
“According to WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the most likely explanation was a catastrophic accident at a laboratory in Wuhan, where infections first spread during late 2019, Daily Mail reported.”
Lol. And thus we come a complete full circle, where we end up admitting what was fucking obvious from the beginning, except to idiots
Basically, I am right about everything. Including DEM ALIENS
https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/world/covid-virus-likely-leaked-from-wuhan-lab-says-who-chief-tedros-ghebreyesus-2022-06-20-786016
I've been unable to find any reputable source which either confirms or refutes it. Note the DM doesn't actually give a source.
Though I'm not sure what Tedros' opinion would add either way, unless he has unpublished evidence.
China, naturally deny it. FWTW.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202206/1268776.shtml1 -
Possibly one of the best precis on Jessop that I've read. A rather self obsessed Don Quixote character fighting windmills.Gardenwalker said:
Your attempts at moral blackmail don’t really wash with me, I’m afraid.JosiasJessop said:
They are not 'slightly phantasmal'.Gardenwalker said:
Very mostly.JosiasJessop said:
Really?Gardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
But if you think they’re are individual posters who do, by all means call them out.
I think like all of us you are outraged and horrified by Russian crimes, but I do not believe you should waste energy taking aim at slightly phantasmal supporters.
Direct your fire full on at Putin and his henchmen.
And it's sad that you take that sort of line.
You appear desperate to find some Russian stooge to virtue signal against. I don’t know why, but it’s very conspicuous.0 -
I could have asked you to condemn a massacre that happened thousands of years ago, I suppose.IshmaelZ said:
I suppose you could have managed a more lame response but I can't immediately think how. It is courtesy and good sense for the person introducing the subject to produce the evidenceMortimer said:
Can I introduce you to google? Its all the rage you know....IshmaelZ said:
You are against evil? Good for you, but what is this hectoring nonsense about requiring othe people to condemn it? Why haven't you condemned Herod's murder of the innocents, for instance?Mortimer said:
The source is the Russian military.Luckyguy1983 said:
I appreciate your passion against against this sort of thing - I would also appreciate links to sources of information, as is normal on PB when reporting news.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I wish people would spend less time on the fence demanding 'sources', and more condemning evil when it is right in front of them.....
And sources are not 'sources' they are just sources, and a reasonable thing to ask for. A link would probably be even better than 'the Russian military.'
Still nothing about Herod, I note. Hmmmm...
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It looks essentially identical to the Croatian one. Which is also incredibly dark blue. So dark blue that to my increasingly ancient eyes, it looks black.Leon said:Just saw my first dark, regal, navy blue new-skool British passport being wielded with authority here in Yerevan Airport, Armenia
I know this might not please everyone, but it is an impressive looking thing
It says YES, BRITISH - the land that gave the world this language, plus the industrial Revolution. And Darwin. And newton. And Shakespeare. And the internet. And virtually all of the music you play in your bars
Yes, BRITISH
Quiet but commanding. I like.0 -
There is only one side which has welcomed independent UN observers to assess its "dangerous propaganda".Luckyguy1983 said:
I'll admit freely to believing Russian propaganda in the past, but my posts on this conflict (which have been few) have not been Russian propaganda, they have merely urged caution against accepting wholesale some of the more dangerous propaganda coming from the Ukrainian side. Involvement in this conflict is serious stuff. It deserves looking at with sagacity, not from a standpoint of emotional manipulation, which I find very evident here in the posts of others.Gardenwalker said:
LuckyGuy maybe. More a general tendency to disbelieve Western propaganda to the absurd end of favouring Russian propaganda.Leon said:
@Luckyguy1983 @NickPalmer and @Roger have all exhibited somewhat pro-Russia or Ukraine-should-lose sympathies, to my mindGardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
NickPalmer is just expressing a misguided (in my opinion) form of realpolitik. He is surely not pro-Russian invasion.
Roger…is Roger.
In no way do I support the invasion by Russia of Ukraine.
And that's not Russia.1 -
Can I be the first on here to condemn Herod's murder of the innocents. And can I just say how shocked I am that no one else has stepped up to the plate to make it clear that it was completely unacceptable. Frankly, the silence of so many posters on this issue is a demonstration of their tacit support for Herod.IshmaelZ said:
You are against evil? Good for you, but what is this hectoring nonsense about requiring othe people to condemn it? Why haven't you condemned Herod's murder of the innocents, for instance?Mortimer said:
The source is the Russian military.Luckyguy1983 said:
I appreciate your passion against against this sort of thing - I would also appreciate links to sources of information, as is normal on PB when reporting news.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I wish people would spend less time on the fence demanding 'sources', and more condemning evil when it is right in front of them.....
And sources are not 'sources' they are just sources, and a reasonable thing to ask for. A link would probably be even better than 'the Russian military.'4 -
Is this the only "benefit of Brexit"? I think it might well be. Of course, when part of the EU club we had no requirement to go to the little flimsy red/pink ones. It was a British government decision. They could have said no.Leon said:Just saw my first dark, regal, navy blue new-skool British passport being wielded with authority here in Yerevan Airport, Armenia
I know this might not please everyone, but it is an impressive looking thing
It says YES, BRITISH - the land that gave the world this language, plus the industrial Revolution. And Darwin. And newton. And Shakespeare. And the internet. And virtually all of the music you play in your bars
Yes, BRITISH
Quiet but commanding. I like.
At least though we now know what excites @Leon's almost 60 year old loins when he is not watching PornHub or looking at the latest pictures of Tom Daley!1 -
IanB2 said:
As if that is representative of anything ever…Leon said:MISTY said:
Senator Joe McCarthy there....Leon said:
@Luckyguy1983 @NickPalmer and @Roger have all exhibited somewhat pro-Russia or Ukraine-should-lose sympathies, to my mindGardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
There may be others
Tis just the truth, as I see it
Also, it makes sense. PB is fairly representative of wider Britain (or geekland). I have members of my own family who are unexpectedly pro-Putin
It’s probably a bit mean-spirited of me.Roger said:
Possibly one of the best precis on Jessop that I've read. A rather self obsessed Don Quixote character fighting windmills.Gardenwalker said:
Your attempts at moral blackmail don’t really wash with me, I’m afraid.JosiasJessop said:
They are not 'slightly phantasmal'.Gardenwalker said:
Very mostly.JosiasJessop said:
Really?Gardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
But if you think they’re are individual posters who do, by all means call them out.
I think like all of us you are outraged and horrified by Russian crimes, but I do not believe you should waste energy taking aim at slightly phantasmal supporters.
Direct your fire full on at Putin and his henchmen.
And it's sad that you take that sort of line.
You appear desperate to find some Russian stooge to virtue signal against. I don’t know why, but it’s very conspicuous.
I just have a knee-jerk response to sanctimoniousness.
Someone like Leon, who actually *has* praised Putin in the past (though certainly not since the invasion), annoys me far less.
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It also says, join that long queue that looks like it goes all around the building.Leon said:Just saw my first dark, regal, navy blue new-skool British passport being wielded with authority here in Yerevan Airport, Armenia
I know this might not please everyone, but it is an impressive looking thing
It says YES, BRITISH - the land that gave the world this language, plus the industrial Revolution. And Darwin. And newton. And Shakespeare. And the internet. And virtually all of the music you play in your bars
Yes, BRITISH
Quiet but commanding. I like.2 -
Feels a bit flimsy to me, the biometrics page (or whatever it's called) feels like it'll just fall right out. But then I tended to use it as ID on nights out and so would prefer a bit of robustness to my passports.Leon said:Just saw my first dark, regal, navy blue new-skool British passport being wielded with authority here in Yerevan Airport, Armenia
I know this might not please everyone, but it is an impressive looking thing
It says YES, BRITISH - the land that gave the world this language, plus the industrial Revolution. And Darwin. And newton. And Shakespeare. And the internet. And virtually all of the music you play in your bars
Yes, BRITISH
Quiet but commanding. I like.0 -
Hot on the heels of Saudi Arabia's MBS...
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1539587392511819781
NEW: UK Defense Minister Ben Wallace will visit Ankara tomorrow to discuss regional defense issues including possible cooperation in defense industry, says Turkish defense ministry
UK Foreign Minister Truss will also be in Turkey tomorrow
Which is not to suggest a direct link between the two things, but Turkey is certainly working hard to increase its regional influence.0 -
No it looks cheap. Also annoyingly easy to confuse with our kids' American passports which are the same colour.Leon said:Just saw my first dark, regal, navy blue new-skool British passport being wielded with authority here in Yerevan Airport, Armenia
I know this might not please everyone, but it is an impressive looking thing
It says YES, BRITISH - the land that gave the world this language, plus the industrial Revolution. And Darwin. And newton. And Shakespeare. And the internet. And virtually all of the music you play in your bars
Yes, BRITISH
Quiet but commanding. I like.
Still, we will have plenty of time to admire it while we stand in long queues at European airports.2 -
I am pleased about that.Nigelb said:
There is only one side which has welcomed independent UN observers to assess its "dangerous propaganda".Luckyguy1983 said:
I'll admit freely to believing Russian propaganda in the past, but my posts on this conflict (which have been few) have not been Russian propaganda, they have merely urged caution against accepting wholesale some of the more dangerous propaganda coming from the Ukrainian side. Involvement in this conflict is serious stuff. It deserves looking at with sagacity, not from a standpoint of emotional manipulation, which I find very evident here in the posts of others.Gardenwalker said:
LuckyGuy maybe. More a general tendency to disbelieve Western propaganda to the absurd end of favouring Russian propaganda.Leon said:
@Luckyguy1983 @NickPalmer and @Roger have all exhibited somewhat pro-Russia or Ukraine-should-lose sympathies, to my mindGardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
NickPalmer is just expressing a misguided (in my opinion) form of realpolitik. He is surely not pro-Russian invasion.
Roger…is Roger.
In no way do I support the invasion by Russia of Ukraine.
And that's not Russia.0 -
So if I were to quote it from here, I'd be quoting Leon who's quoting IndiaNews, who are quoting the Daily Mail who are quoting an anonymous source who claims the D-G said it in private but never in public, honest.jamesdoyle said:
One 'news' source quotes another 'news' source (Daily Mail, should be enough said at this point), and if you read the actual Mail article, it a 'source' who says that the D-G said it in private. There's no there, there.Leon said:
Did you see THIS, @Nigelb?Nigelb said:
You're talking to a libertarian, remember.bondegezou said:
I don’t think you’re meant to be driving on the pavement however.BartholomewRoberts said:
You have to pick a side and get past the gutter to get safely to the pavement.Nigelb said:
And if you way to the right or left, you're in the gutter.BartholomewRoberts said:
The thing is their great strength in by-elections became their great weakness in 2015.LostPassword said:
The mistake many of us made in 2015 was in thinking that the Lib Dems could effectively run many by-election campaigns in parallel, and thereby hold onto more of their seats. So resources are likely a large part of the explanation.Jonathan said:Begs the question why the LDs spectacularly underachieve at General Elections. It's not just resources. Even Clegg at peak underperformed. Odd.
I guess the LDs are for many primarily a protest vehicle.
The other thing is that, for better or for worse, our general elections have now mostly reduced to the question of which of the two party leaders people want to see as Prime Minister. Despite the best efforts of our next Prime Minister, Jo Swinson, it's much harder to convince the public that the Lib Dems are at the races in the national contest.
Winning here? Maybe. Winning nationwide? Lol, no.
In a by-election they're a great repository for protest votes. They can say anything, do anything, stand for anything depending upon what is popular in that locale. No principles necessary.
They can say to right-leaning voters "vote for us, to stop the Labour Party" or to left-leaning ones "vote for us, to stop the Tories". They can tell NIMBYs that they're against property development, or tell young people they should be able to get on the ladder and not have to rent. Consistency doesn't matter in a by-election where you're just making a point of protest.
But choosing a government? That's different. If you stand for everything, then you stand for nothing. In 2015 it became a case of telling left-leaning voters that a vote for the Lib Dems could let in the Tories, while telling right-leaning voters that a vote for the Lib Dems could let in Labour.
If you're going to stand in the middle of the road, you're in danger of being hit by oncoming vehicles.
“Covid virus likely leaked from Wuhan lab: WHO chief Tedros Ghebreyesus
“According to WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the most likely explanation was a catastrophic accident at a laboratory in Wuhan, where infections first spread during late 2019, Daily Mail reported.”
Lol. And thus we come a complete full circle, where we end up admitting what was fucking obvious from the beginning, except to idiots
Basically, I am right about everything. Including DEM ALIENS
https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/world/covid-virus-likely-leaked-from-wuhan-lab-says-who-chief-tedros-ghebreyesus-2022-06-20-786016
Looks legit to me.1 -
Also seems a bit woke to me given they have made the blue so dark it appears black in normal light.OnlyLivingBoy said:
No it looks cheap. Also annoyingly easy to confuse with our kids' American passports which are the same colour.Leon said:Just saw my first dark, regal, navy blue new-skool British passport being wielded with authority here in Yerevan Airport, Armenia
I know this might not please everyone, but it is an impressive looking thing
It says YES, BRITISH - the land that gave the world this language, plus the industrial Revolution. And Darwin. And newton. And Shakespeare. And the internet. And virtually all of the music you play in your bars
Yes, BRITISH
Quiet but commanding. I like.
Still, we will have plenty of time to admire it while we stand in long queues at European airports.2 -
Alistair Darling appears to look *younger* than he did when he was in office.
Presume he subsists on the blood of nubile Lothian virgins.
https://twitter.com/lbc/status/1539592710662881280?s=21&t=CITs9KZWcjRwIgqtW6I-iw
Good to see him talking sense, though.1 -
Any Excel nerds about?
Does proficiency with MATCH() and INDEX() functions indicate membership of your tribe?0 -
Turkey seems to lead an utterly charmed existence, possibly because it has worked out how to threaten to go either way with credibility. It invades bits of Syria; nobody blinks. It seeks to act as an honest broker between Russia and Ukraine (rather than condemning Russia) and nobody makes so much as a murmur (whilst Germany and France get torrents of abuse for trying to keep the lights on). Russia for its part is happy to work with Turkey despite the latter recently beating it in a proxy war. It frustrates America's plans to draw Sweden and Finland into the NATO alliance. We could learn a lot from Turkey - they have everyone's balls in a drawstring bag.Nigelb said:Hot on the heels of Saudi Arabia's MBS...
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1539587392511819781
NEW: UK Defense Minister Ben Wallace will visit Ankara tomorrow to discuss regional defense issues including possible cooperation in defense industry, says Turkish defense ministry
UK Foreign Minister Truss will also be in Turkey tomorrow
Which is not to suggest a direct link between the two things, but Turkey is certainly working hard to increase its regional influence.
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So long as you truly understand INDEX. Many think they do, but then are very surprised when it spits out the wrong answer.BlancheLivermore said:Any Excel nerds about?
Does proficiency with MATCH() and INDEX() functions indicate membership of your tribe?
True Excel nerds know and understand its vagaries.1 -
No, bankers an also pay themselves unlimited bonuses now! Definitely what the Red Wall voted for.Nigel_Foremain said:
Is this the only "benefit of Brexit"? I think it might well be. Of course, when part of the EU club we had no requirement to go to the little flimsy red/pink ones. It was a British government decision. They could have said no.Leon said:Just saw my first dark, regal, navy blue new-skool British passport being wielded with authority here in Yerevan Airport, Armenia
I know this might not please everyone, but it is an impressive looking thing
It says YES, BRITISH - the land that gave the world this language, plus the industrial Revolution. And Darwin. And newton. And Shakespeare. And the internet. And virtually all of the music you play in your bars
Yes, BRITISH
Quiet but commanding. I like.
At least though we now know what excites @Leon's almost 60 year old loins when he is not watching PornHub or looking at the latest pictures of Tom Daley!0 -
What about a replacement speadsheet system, for Excel, that used a decent scripting language for processing?rcs1000 said:
So long as you truly understand INDEX. Many think they do, but then are very surprised when it spits out the wrong answer.BlancheLivermore said:Any Excel nerds about?
Does proficiency with MATCH() and INDEX() functions indicate membership of your tribe?
True Excel nerds know and understand its vagaries.
Not Python, obviously.0 -
True Excel nerds use XLOOKUPrcs1000 said:
So long as you truly understand INDEX. Many think they do, but then are very surprised when it spits out the wrong answer.BlancheLivermore said:Any Excel nerds about?
Does proficiency with MATCH() and INDEX() functions indicate membership of your tribe?
True Excel nerds know and understand its vagaries.1 -
First fully ex EU VAT return done.
Pros. No box 2, 8 or 9, EC sales or intrastat to worry about.
Cons. £10k a year to some dutch accountants to enable us to still triangulate fully within the EU.0 -
I went in 2000. The last year you could climb the fence.JosiasJessop said:
My Glastonbury life has also had four phases:OnlyLivingBoy said:
My Glastonbury life has had four distinct phases.RH1992 said:In an additional Glastonbury update, I'm wondering if @Leon has decided to come here as I can see this duopoly of flags flying proudly from where I'm sat.
1. Never heard of Glastonbury
2. Couldn't afford to go to Glastonbury
3. Couldn't get tickets to Glastonbury
4. Don't want to go to Glastonbury.
1. Walking to Glastonbury.
2. Staying at a campsite at Glastonbury (not festival), and being woken up by the French couple in the next tent having very noisy sex. Or they were skinning a cat. One of the two.
3. Climbing Glastonbury Tor.
4. Walking out of Glastonbury.
That's about enough Glasto for me.
Reader, I climbed the fence.
I would love to go back and take everything in a bit more rather than be absolutely off my face for five days - as enjoyable as that was when I was 22 and stupid. At the time me and my mates I went with were all working together, doing afters shifts at a mail sorting office. We finished our shift, thought bugger it lets go, got in the cars and headed straight down there. I miss being that young and spontaneous, free of cares and responsibilities.
I can't remember going to any of the main stages to see anyone specifically. The crowds were too much around them. I still dislike big gigs to this day. But we could see and hear the Pyramid Stage from our tents and I remember Moby playing while I puked as I came up like a rocket after double-dropping. Happy days.
I regret I missed Bowie, but I wasn't really aware of how good he was, or his brilliant back catalogue. An omission I have since rectified.
It is like the real world has been turned off, there are no rules but no-one is nasty and everything is amazing - or that's how it seems through these rose-tinted lenses. It would be great to go back and it not be quite so rammed, and me not munching disco biscuits morning, noon and night.
Weather wasn't too bad in 2000, but I think part of the reason I've never made a serious effort to go back is the potential for Passchendaele-like rain and mud. Friends who have been to wet Glastonburys say it is a thoroughly miserable experience.0 -
How to deal with 60% inflation ?Luckyguy1983 said:
Turkey seems to lead an utterly charmed existence, possibly because it has worked out how to threaten to go either way with credibility. It invades bits of Syria; nobody blinks. It seeks to act as an honest broker between Russia and Ukraine (rather than condemning Russia) and nobody makes so much as a murmur (whilst Germany and France get torrents of abuse for trying to keep the lights on). Russia for its part is happy to work with Turkey despite the latter recently beating it in a proxy war. It frustrates America's plans to draw Sweden and Finland into the NATO alliance. We could learn a lot from Turkey....Nigelb said:Hot on the heels of Saudi Arabia's MBS...
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1539587392511819781
NEW: UK Defense Minister Ben Wallace will visit Ankara tomorrow to discuss regional defense issues including possible cooperation in defense industry, says Turkish defense ministry
UK Foreign Minister Truss will also be in Turkey tomorrow
Which is not to suggest a direct link between the two things, but Turkey is certainly working hard to increase its regional influence.
The benefits of a near one party state ?
https://freedomhouse.org/country/turkey0 -
Sob.Malmesbury said:
What about a replacement speadsheet system, for Excel, that used a decent scripting language for processing?rcs1000 said:
So long as you truly understand INDEX. Many think they do, but then are very surprised when it spits out the wrong answer.BlancheLivermore said:Any Excel nerds about?
Does proficiency with MATCH() and INDEX() functions indicate membership of your tribe?
True Excel nerds know and understand its vagaries.
Not Python, obviously.
Resolver.
Sob.
I loved Resolver.
Still: at least Resolver led to PythonAnywhere0 -
They are generous folk in that there Red Wall. I am told they even consider Boris Johnson a man-o-the-people.OnlyLivingBoy said:
No, bankers an also pay themselves unlimited bonuses now! Definitely what the Red Wall voted for.Nigel_Foremain said:
Is this the only "benefit of Brexit"? I think it might well be. Of course, when part of the EU club we had no requirement to go to the little flimsy red/pink ones. It was a British government decision. They could have said no.Leon said:Just saw my first dark, regal, navy blue new-skool British passport being wielded with authority here in Yerevan Airport, Armenia
I know this might not please everyone, but it is an impressive looking thing
It says YES, BRITISH - the land that gave the world this language, plus the industrial Revolution. And Darwin. And newton. And Shakespeare. And the internet. And virtually all of the music you play in your bars
Yes, BRITISH
Quiet but commanding. I like.
At least though we now know what excites @Leon's almost 60 year old loins when he is not watching PornHub or looking at the latest pictures of Tom Daley!0 -
It's the belief that some people have their tongues in their cheeks and others really don't!Gardenwalker said:IanB2 said:
As if that is representative of anything ever…Leon said:MISTY said:
Senator Joe McCarthy there....Leon said:
@Luckyguy1983 @NickPalmer and @Roger have all exhibited somewhat pro-Russia or Ukraine-should-lose sympathies, to my mindGardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
There may be others
Tis just the truth, as I see it
Also, it makes sense. PB is fairly representative of wider Britain (or geekland). I have members of my own family who are unexpectedly pro-Putin
It’s probably a bit mean-spirited of me.Roger said:
Possibly one of the best precis on Jessop that I've read. A rather self obsessed Don Quixote character fighting windmills.Gardenwalker said:
Your attempts at moral blackmail don’t really wash with me, I’m afraid.JosiasJessop said:
They are not 'slightly phantasmal'.Gardenwalker said:
Very mostly.JosiasJessop said:
Really?Gardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
But if you think they’re are individual posters who do, by all means call them out.
I think like all of us you are outraged and horrified by Russian crimes, but I do not believe you should waste energy taking aim at slightly phantasmal supporters.
Direct your fire full on at Putin and his henchmen.
And it's sad that you take that sort of line.
You appear desperate to find some Russian stooge to virtue signal against. I don’t know why, but it’s very conspicuous.
I just have a knee-jerk response to sanctimoniousness.
Someone like Leon, who actually *has* praised Putin in the past (though certainly not since the invasion), annoys me far less.0 -
Hi all. I have a problem regarding a neighbour.
I am not new to this, I have seen neighbour disputes for many years and understand that the best answer is to try and talk to people to try and work through them.
However, I am now dealing with a very difficult character, and even though I am continuing friendly engagement, the person in question is proving very stubborn and we are heading in to conflict. This has been going on for about 3 years and the situation is becoming really serious.
The problem relates to remedial works to a building which we are co freeholders of (50/50) which need to occur to make it habitable and mortgageable.
If they don't happen, the loss in value to each of our flats is in the hundreds of thousands of pounds. The actual cost of the remedial works, is in the tens of thousands of pounds.
She doesn't see the point of the works, doesn't see the point of complying with any regulations, and assumes that all professionals are ripping people off.
Basically, her perspective is hard to explain because it is irrational.
She has had this standpoint for the 40 years she has lived in the flat. When there was a freeholder , he did the works, she sued him herself and lost badly; and was paying back the cost for 15 years. But thinks the court decision was a masonic conspiracy.
She now believes irrationally that the Council should be paying for the works, which is nonsense.
To try and avoid a legal conflict, I have even offered to just pay for all the works myself and take a charge on her flat, she can just pay me back when she sells it. But even reaching a reliable agreement on that is impossible.
The building is deteriorating and water is coming through the roof in various places.
The final straw is this. She has now decided that she will just fix the one leak that is affecting her, by herself, and has appointed a cowboy builder for this single task.
This is despite us being friendly, exchanging books, going around to each others flats for coffee etc.
Is this the point where I give up and go to a lawyer? Is there any other possible way out?
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After Boris Johnson has been PM a little longer the UK might also consider changing it's name to coincide with that of a large fat flightless bird: DodoLuckyguy1983 said:
Turkey seems to lead an utterly charmed existence, possibly because it has worked out how to threaten to go either way with credibility. It invades bits of Syria; nobody blinks. It seeks to act as an honest broker between Russia and Ukraine (rather than condemning Russia) and nobody makes so much as a murmur (whilst Germany and France get torrents of abuse for trying to keep the lights on). Russia for its part is happy to work with Turkey despite the latter recently beating it in a proxy war. It frustrates America's plans to draw Sweden and Finland into the NATO alliance. We could learn a lot from Turkey - they have everyone's balls in a drawstring bag.Nigelb said:Hot on the heels of Saudi Arabia's MBS...
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1539587392511819781
NEW: UK Defense Minister Ben Wallace will visit Ankara tomorrow to discuss regional defense issues including possible cooperation in defense industry, says Turkish defense ministry
UK Foreign Minister Truss will also be in Turkey tomorrow
Which is not to suggest a direct link between the two things, but Turkey is certainly working hard to increase its regional influence.1 -
Personally, I think Erdoğan is ghastly and could do with putting firmly in his place, but there is no doubt that in terms of near inexplicable Western support (going back to the days of the Crimean War), Turkey does very well.Nigelb said:
How to deal with 60% inflation ?Luckyguy1983 said:
Turkey seems to lead an utterly charmed existence, possibly because it has worked out how to threaten to go either way with credibility. It invades bits of Syria; nobody blinks. It seeks to act as an honest broker between Russia and Ukraine (rather than condemning Russia) and nobody makes so much as a murmur (whilst Germany and France get torrents of abuse for trying to keep the lights on). Russia for its part is happy to work with Turkey despite the latter recently beating it in a proxy war. It frustrates America's plans to draw Sweden and Finland into the NATO alliance. We could learn a lot from Turkey....Nigelb said:Hot on the heels of Saudi Arabia's MBS...
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1539587392511819781
NEW: UK Defense Minister Ben Wallace will visit Ankara tomorrow to discuss regional defense issues including possible cooperation in defense industry, says Turkish defense ministry
UK Foreign Minister Truss will also be in Turkey tomorrow
Which is not to suggest a direct link between the two things, but Turkey is certainly working hard to increase its regional influence.
The benefits of a near one party state ?
https://freedomhouse.org/country/turkey
I am also reminded of a story when we were in the EU, of a car factory closing in the UK, relocating to Turkey because the company was a recipient of an EU development grant!0 -
INDEX() and MATCH(), when combined, are a vast improvement on VLOOKUP().BlancheLivermore said:Any Excel nerds about?
Does proficiency with MATCH() and INDEX() functions indicate membership of your tribe?1 -
he doesn't seem to dye his eyebrows so dark a hue these days. Either that or has them trimmed a little more frequentlyGardenwalker said:Alistair Darling appears to look *younger* than he did when he was in office.
Presume he subsists on the blood of nubile Lothian virgins.
https://twitter.com/lbc/status/1539592710662881280?s=21&t=CITs9KZWcjRwIgqtW6I-iw
Good to see him talking sense, though.0 -
LOL. Coming from you Roger, that's rather funny!Roger said:
Possibly one of the best precis on Jessop that I've read. A rather self obsessed Don Quixote character fighting windmills.Gardenwalker said:
Your attempts at moral blackmail don’t really wash with me, I’m afraid.JosiasJessop said:
They are not 'slightly phantasmal'.Gardenwalker said:
Very mostly.JosiasJessop said:
Really?Gardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
But if you think they’re are individual posters who do, by all means call them out.
I think like all of us you are outraged and horrified by Russian crimes, but I do not believe you should waste energy taking aim at slightly phantasmal supporters.
Direct your fire full on at Putin and his henchmen.
And it's sad that you take that sort of line.
You appear desperate to find some Russian stooge to virtue signal against. I don’t know why, but it’s very conspicuous.
Physician, heal thyself!1 -
Probable resignation or recall petition incoming in Somerton & Frome.
Despite the 19k Tory majority, it would be a very likely Lib Dem gain - they held the seat up until 2015 and would start a clear second.
https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1539621899004968961
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/15395866767665274891 -
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Now you've made me feel bad - sorry for the reminder....rcs1000 said:
Sob.Malmesbury said:
What about a replacement speadsheet system, for Excel, that used a decent scripting language for processing?rcs1000 said:
So long as you truly understand INDEX. Many think they do, but then are very surprised when it spits out the wrong answer.BlancheLivermore said:Any Excel nerds about?
Does proficiency with MATCH() and INDEX() functions indicate membership of your tribe?
True Excel nerds know and understand its vagaries.
Not Python, obviously.
Resolver.
Sob.
I loved Resolver.
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I've has mine for over a year and much as I think it is ok I didn't have an orgasm unlike @leon when it arrived. What will he do when he actually gets his hands on one.Selebian said:
Crikey, is all that on the cover? Or is it on one of the inside pages after (or instead of?) "Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State requests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance, and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary.”Leon said:Just saw my first dark, regal, navy blue new-skool British passport being wielded with authority here in Yerevan Airport, Armenia
I know this might not please everyone, but it is an impressive looking thing
It says YES, BRITISH - the land that gave the world this language, plus the industrial Revolution. And Darwin. And newton. And Shakespeare. And the internet. And virtually all of the music you play in your bars
Yes, BRITISH
Quiet but commanding. I like.
I don't care what colour my passport is or whether it says EU on the front or not. But I'll be pissed if I end up queueing longer.
Edit: Interesting though. As someone who uses a passport more than most of us, do you/will you care? Are you going to 'lose' yours so you can get a blue replacement asap?
Like you I don't give a toss what it looks like if it can get me passed the queues.
Not sure why my mug has to appear on it on 3 different pages (and 4 times if you count the clear bit on one page so that my face appears twice on that page. Bit of overkill.
I have never been able to get through the e-gates with this or the previous passport. On returning to Gatwick the other day I seriously considered abandoning that queue and going straight to the manned queue, but it worked for the first time. Yeah.0 -
My sympathies.darkage said:Hi all. I have a problem regarding a neighbour.
I am not new to this, I have seen neighbour disputes for many years and understand that the best answer is to try and talk to people to try and work through them.
However, I am now dealing with a very difficult character, and even though I am continuing friendly engagement, the person in question is proving very stubborn and we are heading in to conflict. This has been going on for about 3 years and the situation is becoming really serious.
The problem relates to remedial works to a building which we are co freeholders of (50/50) which need to occur to make it habitable and mortgageable.
If they don't happen, the loss in value to each of our flats is in the hundreds of thousands of pounds. The actual cost of the remedial works, is in the tens of thousands of pounds.
She doesn't see the point of the works, doesn't see the point of complying with any regulations, and assumes that all professionals are ripping people off.
Basically, her perspective is hard to explain because it is irrational.
She has had this standpoint for the 40 years she has lived in the flat. When there was a freeholder , he did the works, she sued him herself and lost badly; and was paying back the cost for 15 years. But thinks the court decision was a masonic conspiracy.
She now believes irrationally that the Council should be paying for the works, which is nonsense.
To try and avoid a legal conflict, I have even offered to just pay for all the works myself and take a charge on her flat, she can just pay me back when she sells it. But even reaching a reliable agreement on that is impossible.
The building is deteriorating and water is coming through the roof in various places.
The final straw is this. She has now decided that she will just fix the one leak that is affecting her, by herself, and has appointed a cowboy builder for this single task.
This is despite us being friendly, exchanging books, going around to each others flats for coffee etc.
Is this the point where I give up and go to a lawyer? Is there any other possible way out?
Quite a few older people believe that the cost of doing building works properly is a rip off, because they know someone who can patch it up with a bit of filler, for a tenner.
Hence the state of many houses when sold - "Requires updating".....2 -
It's striking the amount of opprobrium that The Mail is pouring over Sir Keir personally at the moment. I don't recall them being this brutal with Miliband, Brown or even Blair or Corbyn. Odd. Sir Keir seems a ludicrously unlikely bogeyman.0
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Could I please send an excel spreadsheet I made a couple of years ago to one (or more!) of you nerds to see if it helps me qualify as one?
I've just sent it to a potential employer to exhibit my excel nerdery and I'd like to know if it's worth sending..0 -
For some reason, the Tories can’t get a lucky break!Scott_xP said:Probable resignation or recall petition incoming in Somerton & Frome.
Despite the 19k Tory majority, it would be a very likely Lib Dem gain - they held the seat up until 2015 and would start a clear second.
https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1539621899004968961
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1539586676766527489
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Annoying that you can't use regular expressions though. Even LibreOffice supports that...No_Offence_Alan said:
INDEX() and MATCH(), when combined, are a vast improvement on VLOOKUP().BlancheLivermore said:Any Excel nerds about?
Does proficiency with MATCH() and INDEX() functions indicate membership of your tribe?0 -
Erodgan plays Turkey's geopolitical position well. They are (and always have been) at a pivotal location between east and west, and he plays east and west off each other well. Whoever controls that region of the world will always be in that fortunate position.Luckyguy1983 said:
Personally, I think Erdoğan is ghastly and could do with putting firmly in his place, but there is no doubt that in terms of near inexplicable Western support (going back to the days of the Crimean War), Turkey does very well.Nigelb said:
How to deal with 60% inflation ?Luckyguy1983 said:
Turkey seems to lead an utterly charmed existence, possibly because it has worked out how to threaten to go either way with credibility. It invades bits of Syria; nobody blinks. It seeks to act as an honest broker between Russia and Ukraine (rather than condemning Russia) and nobody makes so much as a murmur (whilst Germany and France get torrents of abuse for trying to keep the lights on). Russia for its part is happy to work with Turkey despite the latter recently beating it in a proxy war. It frustrates America's plans to draw Sweden and Finland into the NATO alliance. We could learn a lot from Turkey....Nigelb said:Hot on the heels of Saudi Arabia's MBS...
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1539587392511819781
NEW: UK Defense Minister Ben Wallace will visit Ankara tomorrow to discuss regional defense issues including possible cooperation in defense industry, says Turkish defense ministry
UK Foreign Minister Truss will also be in Turkey tomorrow
Which is not to suggest a direct link between the two things, but Turkey is certainly working hard to increase its regional influence.
The benefits of a near one party state ?
https://freedomhouse.org/country/turkey
I am also reminded of a story when we were in the EU, of a car factory closing in the UK, relocating to Turkey because the company was a recipient of an EU development grant!
But Turkey has ?eight? neighbours, and has had problematic relations with all of them in the last century, if not more recently - and he's not helping by actually fighting some of them. He is also looking at whoever will support Turkey best if one or more of those neighbours starts getting frisky in return.
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YOU HAVE THE POWER!rcs1000 said:
I deleted my comment - which is why it says "Undefined"BlancheLivermore said:@rcs1000 3
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Think of all the young Russian ‘models’, and the young Western ‘actresses’, deprived of their ability to earn a living on the yachts of the Med this summer.Malmesbury said:
To be fair, @Woger is not so much pro-Russian as concerned for the real victims in this -dixiedean said:
Yeah. My mother is. I find it frustrating, bewildering and not a little upsetting.Leon said:MISTY said:
Senator Joe McCarthy there....Leon said:
@Luckyguy1983 @NickPalmer and @Roger have all exhibited somewhat pro-Russia or Ukraine-should-lose sympathies, to my mindGardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
There may be others
Tis just the truth, as I see it
Also, it makes sense. PB is fairly representative of wider Britain (or geekland). I have members of my own family who are unexpectedly pro-Putin
The people who have been deprived of their yachts.0 -
Ouch. That's quite a serious omission.Scott_xP said:Probable resignation or recall petition incoming in Somerton & Frome.
Despite the 19k Tory majority, it would be a very likely Lib Dem gain - they held the seat up until 2015 and would start a clear second.
https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1539621899004968961
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/15395866767665274890 -
How many INDIRECT do you have in there?BlancheLivermore said:Could I please send an excel spreadsheet I made a couple of years ago to one (or more!) of you nerds to see if it helps me qualify as one?
I've just sent it to a potential employer to exhibit my excel nerdery and I'd like to know if it's worth sending..0 -
So it's sanctimonious to point out the evil Russia is doing, and that people supporting them might just, you know, be doing the wrong thing?Gardenwalker said:IanB2 said:
As if that is representative of anything ever…Leon said:MISTY said:
Senator Joe McCarthy there....Leon said:
@Luckyguy1983 @NickPalmer and @Roger have all exhibited somewhat pro-Russia or Ukraine-should-lose sympathies, to my mindGardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
There may be others
Tis just the truth, as I see it
Also, it makes sense. PB is fairly representative of wider Britain (or geekland). I have members of my own family who are unexpectedly pro-Putin
It’s probably a bit mean-spirited of me.Roger said:
Possibly one of the best precis on Jessop that I've read. A rather self obsessed Don Quixote character fighting windmills.Gardenwalker said:
Your attempts at moral blackmail don’t really wash with me, I’m afraid.JosiasJessop said:
They are not 'slightly phantasmal'.Gardenwalker said:
Very mostly.JosiasJessop said:
Really?Gardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
But if you think they’re are individual posters who do, by all means call them out.
I think like all of us you are outraged and horrified by Russian crimes, but I do not believe you should waste energy taking aim at slightly phantasmal supporters.
Direct your fire full on at Putin and his henchmen.
And it's sad that you take that sort of line.
You appear desperate to find some Russian stooge to virtue signal against. I don’t know why, but it’s very conspicuous.
I just have a knee-jerk response to sanctimoniousness.
Someone like Leon, who actually *has* praised Putin in the past (though certainly not since the invasion), annoys me far less.
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None, (I don't think..) I've never heard of it until just now. So I'm recognising the limits of my nerdiness!rcs1000 said:
How many INDIRECT do you have in there?BlancheLivermore said:Could I please send an excel spreadsheet I made a couple of years ago to one (or more!) of you nerds to see if it helps me qualify as one?
I've just sent it to a potential employer to exhibit my excel nerdery and I'd like to know if it's worth sending..0 -
Shows both the threat they think SKS and the scale of the problems they think Bozo has.Stark_Dawning said:It's striking the amount of opprobrium that The Mail is pouring over Sir Keir personally at the moment. I don't recall them being this brutal with Miliband, Brown or even Blair or Corbyn. Odd. Sir Keir seems a ludicrously unlikely bogeyman.
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They are desperate to do him down. This is because, unlike Corbyn, he is a threat because while people have bought the idea that he is boring (probably unfairly) they realise that he looks competent compared to The Clown. Only Corbyn would not be able to achieve this, so they hope that Labour will be stupid enough to remove "safe pair of hands" Starmer with someone as unelectable as Corbyn. Probably why they are generally nice about Angela.Stark_Dawning said:It's striking the amount of opprobrium that The Mail is pouring over Sir Keir personally at the moment. I don't recall them being this brutal with Miliband, Brown or even Blair or Corbyn. Odd. Sir Keir seems a ludicrously unlikely bogeyman.
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All that just to calculate the likelihood of the LDs winning the byelection?tlg86 said:This is in my favourite spreadsheet:
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It's a bit big, but....Sandpit said:
Think of all the young Russian ‘models’, and the young Western ‘actresses’, deprived of their ability to earn a living on the yachts of the Med this summer.Malmesbury said:
To be fair, @Woger is not so much pro-Russian as concerned for the real victims in this -dixiedean said:
Yeah. My mother is. I find it frustrating, bewildering and not a little upsetting.Leon said:MISTY said:
Senator Joe McCarthy there....Leon said:
@Luckyguy1983 @NickPalmer and @Roger have all exhibited somewhat pro-Russia or Ukraine-should-lose sympathies, to my mindGardenwalker said:
Yes, because it keeps begging the question, who are these “Russia supporters” that you keep railing against.JosiasJessop said:
Is that the *best* thing you can think to say about the post? With all that horror, and you attack me for posting about it?Gardenwalker said:
Another day, another post from Mr Jessop in which he tilts at those Russia-supporting windmills.JosiasJessop said:The Russians have taken 307,000 Ukrainian children over the border, and are going to give them a three-year 're-education' course. Russians can adopt them with minimal background checks.
*Anyone* who supports Russia in this hideous conflict is supporting evil. I don't care if you like their politics, or take umbrage at the fact the Ukrainians seem to like Boris, or you like anyone who is against us; you are supporting evil.
I just take it as given that Russia is currently a proto-fascist or full-fat fascist agent of evil. I think pretty much everyone on here does.
There may be others
Tis just the truth, as I see it
Also, it makes sense. PB is fairly representative of wider Britain (or geekland). I have members of my own family who are unexpectedly pro-Putin
The people who have been deprived of their yachts.
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