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Next Thursday looks like being a “mini referendum” on the PM – politicalbetting.com

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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    IshmaelZ said:

    1470s, only game in town.
    So the RCs didn't let ethics get in the way of economics either, I assume.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,872
    edited June 2022
    Carnyx said:

    You're completely failing to recognise that the UK roles have differential impact over the UK as a whole: for instance, policy on defence also takes ijnto account the economic impact of bases. Or, indeed, HS2, where the demands of Conservative nimbies have tended to override wider considerations of connectivity. Just look at the cancellation the other week.
    So you are now so desperate you are saying Scotland is desperate for HS2 from to and from London as you love the city so much you can't wait to get to Manchester to use it. Never mind the houses and fields that will have to be developed over to make way for it and will have to deal with the noise in their vicinity
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,652
    IshmaelZ said:

    Just imagine a world in which that great Force For Good the British Empire had left all those fucking Africans in fucking Africa. I can't begin to enumerate the problems that would have caused.
    Does not bear thinking about.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    HYUFD said:

    So you are now so desperate you are saying Scotland is desperate for HS2 from to and from London as you love the city so much and never mind the houses and fields that will have to be developed over to make way for it and will have to deal with the noise in their vicinity
    But that is precisely the point. It's the CONSERVATIVE party that is touting HS2 as essential for the connectivity of the Union - yet at the same time sabotaging it, because Mr Johnson is answering only to his Tory MPs and not to the UK as a whole.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,416
    The Hill has a round up of candidates who may well run for GOP if Trump can't/doesn't.

    I put a couple of quid on Tim Scott after reading this at 60. Sounded kinda interesting.

    But DYOR obviously.

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,528
    dixiedean said:

    America is nothing if not a land of equal opportunity for nutters with guns.
    70 year old this time.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/18/gunman-70-kills-three-people-at-alabama-church-dinner

    Attacker subdued with a chair, apparently. Subsequently hit with a gun, but not shot.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,872

    The Hill has a round up of candidates who may well run for GOP if Trump can't/doesn't.

    I put a couple of quid on Tim Scott after reading this at 60. Sounded kinda interesting.

    But DYOR obviously.

    De Santis also trails likely Democrat candidate Charlie Crist in the latest Florida governor poll, so may not even be a contender

    http://thelistenergroup.com/charlie-crist-leading-ron-desantis-in-very-close-race/
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,697
    Carnyx said:

    You said "carpenter". Which is something very different. And Mr A-J is a 'joiner' in the sense that the Chief of Defence Staff is a 'squaddie'.
    It’s rather ironic that you misname the protagonist in a post about using the right term.

    You refer to him as Mr Armstrong-Jones or “Mr A-J”

    He calls himself David Snowdon in his personal life, David Linley professionally and David, Earl of Snowdon on formal occasions
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    Attending football, cricket or rugby matches and cheering on England is “not socially acceptable”. Wow! Civic society has really deteriorated south of the border.

    As for “official”, I’m sure that’ll come as news to Homes England. You’ll have to rename them Homes in the Blank Space East of Wales, South of Scotland, West of the Netherlands and North of France.
    Homes in the part of the UK which isn't Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,872
    edited June 2022
    Carnyx said:

    But that is precisely the point. It's the CONSERVATIVE party that is touting HS2 as essential for the connectivity of the Union - yet at the same time sabotaging it, because Mr Johnson is answering only to his Tory MPs and not to the UK as a whole.
    Of course he answers to the UK as a whole as his party was elected by a majority of 80 across the UK as a whole to be PM of the UK until the end of 2024
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,127

    I read some burbling about an EU design but if so, how do the Dutch manage?
    Considering the Fiat Ducato on which it is based is a best seller as van and for conversion to campervan, I find this all a bit strange. It can obviously be driven by people of many shapes.



  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,416
    edited June 2022
    HYUFD said:

    De Santis also trails likely Democrat candidate Charlie Crist in the latest Florida governor poll, so may not even be a contender

    http://thelistenergroup.com/charlie-crist-leading-ron-desantis-in-very-close-race/
    Doesnt losing free him up for a run in 2024?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,528
    HYUFD said:

    De Santis also trails likely Democrat candidate Charlie Crist in the latest Florida governor poll, so may not even be a contender

    http://thelistenergroup.com/charlie-crist-leading-ron-desantis-in-very-close-race/
    Good news.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 5,173
    https://twitter.com/BeckettUnite/status/1538054097122770945

    Apparently matching wage rises to price rises will make the economy worse.

    But rampant & record corporate profits are perfectly healthy.

    Don’t fall for these lies. Tax wealth.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,872
    edited June 2022

    Doesnt losing free him up for a run in 2024?
    If he lost Florida, which even Trump managed to win in 2020, then he would be toast in 2024.

    Pence would be the likely favourite to be GOP nominee instead if Trump did not run, or Trump's main rival if he did run.

    Last time a President failed to win re election after only a single term of his party in the White House, Carter in 1980, of course his VP Mondale ended up the Democrat candidate to take on President Reagan in 1984
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,278
    Foxy said:

    Considering the Fiat Ducato on which it is based is a best seller as van and for conversion to campervan, I find this all a bit strange. It can obviously be driven by people of many shapes.

    I think the motorhome lived in during my coastal walk 20 years ago was based on a Fiat Ducato (a Swift Royale 620).

    I wonder if the driver's seat position has been changed to allow access to the rear? Although the shape of the Ducato has become somewhat more streamlined over the years, so it might be that the roofline is lower now, further forwards.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,087
    223p, unleaded, Highlands. #pedalpower

    Although it's miserably cold for a cycle tour. June is supposed to be the good month for Scotland.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,810
    Leon said:

    Because Critical Race Theory goes way way way beyond that, and teaches white kids that they should feel intrinsic shame and guilt just because they are white, because they benefit from white privilege and white people did terrible things, and, moreover, this guilt can never be expiated, never paid off, it is an indelible stain: you are evil and you must “do the work” of apology for your whiteness

    It is revolting psychological abuse. American parents are right to be fighting it. This alone could win the GOP the presidency. This is why it is so insane the Lefty Dems are pushing it
    Think you are projecting just a teensy weensy bit.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,652
    edited June 2022
    HYUFD said:

    If he lost Florida, which even Trump managed to win in 2020, then he would be toast in 2024.

    Pence would be the likely favourite to be GOP nominee instead if Trump did not run, or Trump's main rival if he did run.

    Last time a President failed to win re election after only a single term of his party in the White House, Carter in 1980, of course his VP Mondale ended up the Democrat candidate to take on President Reagan in 1984
    Trump in 2020?

    Edit: Sorry, see what you mean.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,176
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    Carnyx said:

    On the wider comparison with Oxford undergraduate educational performance in general, and forgetting Mr Johnson, how did you score on the pub/restaurant-smashing-up quantitative metric? Disd you have to do it 4 times as fast, or what?
    I failed that module.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,528

    ...

    I failed that module.
    Congratulations!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,222
    rcs1000 said:

    It is well known fact that not a single teenager had suicidal thoughts or self harmed prior to the cost of living crisis.
    Poor wee sods have only just recovered from the scourge of mask wearing. They do seem a bit more resilient than some adults mind.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,474
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    Cyclefree said:

    Agreed that the ECHR is not perfect. But those attacking it are not acting in good faith. The attacks are in utter bad faith because they do not want to make it better or more effective. They simply want to get rid of it. The judge being foreign is simply the pretext used.

    The Tory party is increasingly adopting a "l'etat c'est moi" cast of mind. This is profoundly unconservative and dangerous for our democracy.
    Note that there will have been a UK judge on the panel.
    Any case before the court has a judge from the country it concerns, I think ?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,127
    Eabhal said:

    223p, unleaded, Highlands. #pedalpower

    Although it's miserably cold for a cycle tour. June is supposed to be the good month for Scotland.

    191p at my petrol station today. Glad I filled up last week at a bargain 181p...
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,789
    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1537845004751847425

    I bloody told you. General Election proposed on 27th October by Johnson's allies.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,127
    HYUFD said:

    If he lost Florida, which even Trump managed to win in 2020, then he would be toast in 2024.

    Pence would be the likely favourite to be GOP nominee instead if Trump did not run, or Trump's main rival if he did run.

    Last time a President failed to win re election after only a single term of his party in the White House, Carter in 1980, of course his VP Mondale ended up the Democrat candidate to take on President Reagan in 1984
    Trump was busy dissing Pence the other day:

    https://eu.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2022/06/17/donald-trump-slams-mike-pence-during-nashville-speech-jan-6-hearings-continue/7622080001/

    "Former Trump aides and staff testified on Thursday of Trump’s efforts to pressure Pence to illegally reject the 2020 election results. A former Trump assistant testified Trump called Pence a “wimp” in a heated Jan. 6 phone call.

    “I never called Mike Pence a wimp,” Trump said. “Mike Pence had a chance to be great. He had a chance to be, frankly, historic, but just like Bill Barr and the rest of these weak people, Mike did not have the courage to act.”
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 5,173

    Politically, we have a right-wing, populist English nationalist government that has no interest whatsoever in the views of anyone outside of England - and inside England is focused solely on feeding culture war to a base of around 40% of the electorate, most of which is over 50.

    Culture warfare is merely a thin veneer overlaying economic warfare. The Conservative Party keeps its grip on power through a programme of upwards redistribution of wealth to its core supporters.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Applicant said:

    Homes in the part of the UK which isn't Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.
    Churchill would have been so proud of the nation 70 years on.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    pigeon said:

    Culture warfare is merely a thin veneer overlaying economic warfare. The Conservative Party keeps its grip on power through a programme of upwards redistribution of wealth to its core supporters.
    Hmmm…
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1537845004751847425

    I bloody told you. General Election proposed on 27th October by Johnson's allies.

    It's a bloody terrible idea by any reasonable standards.

    No wonder they're proposing it...
  • I told you all weeks ago, GE this year, he would have to go for it.

    I for one welcome it, let's get Labour in with the Lib Dems supporting. Back to boring, get rid of Johnson.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,127
    Applicant said:

    It's a bloody terrible idea by any reasonable standards.

    No wonder they're proposing it...
    It's completely bonkers, so nailed on!
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Tres said:

    Think you are projecting just a teensy weensy bit.
    Leon is basically right, but the problem is not so much with Critical Race Theory, which has some academic credibility; but with how it is used. It forms the basis of a worldview that essentially tries to explain all injustice in human society through the failings of white people. It then tries to equate criticism of this worldview, with racism, thus making such criticism impossible. This is basically a political project, which is being rolled out in schools.

    These ideas are so stupid, and so prevalent, and never seem to correct themselves, that it just seems to be evidence that we are living in a weird era of unreason. I can see exactly why, were I to be living in the US, I would vote for Trump. Yes the Jan 6 stuff was insane, but so is this, and sometimes you just have to choose between different forms of insanity. The main problem is that people give the left such a free pass that they haven't even looked in to what is going on, they just think that because the people advocating these ideas are 'progressives', it must all be ok.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,477
    Applicant said:

    It's a bloody terrible idea by any reasonable standards.

    No wonder they're proposing it...
    I get the impression that Johnson uses parliament, government and the election process as a toy, solely for his own benefit, irrespetive of its effect on others. He's like a sociopath. I wonder if he used to pull the wings off flies when he was a kid.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,307
    There will not be an election this year. There really won’t. Under no circumstances. Need I be clearer?
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,029

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1537845004751847425

    I bloody told you. General Election proposed on 27th October by Johnson's allies.

    Another example of where Boris is a (much paler luckily) shadow of Trump.
    An election then may suit Boris, but would be horrific for his Party.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,477
    Foxy said:

    191p at my petrol station today. Glad I filled up last week at a bargain 181p...
    195.9 in tesco pembroke dock yesterday for diesel.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1537845004751847425

    I bloody told you. General Election proposed on 27th October by Johnson's allies.

    Something for all of us to look forward to during the summer! 👍
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 5,173

    I get the impression that Johnson uses parliament, government and the election process as a toy, solely for his own benefit, irrespetive of its effect on others. He's like a sociopath. I wonder if he used to pull the wings off flies when he was a kid.
    FIFY
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,243
    Three Redactles in a row! (This one wasn't too hard)
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641
    JohnO said:

    There will not be an election this year. There really won’t. Under no circumstances. Need I be clearer?

    Are you sure? 😊
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,127

    Something for all of us to look forward to during the summer! 👍
    We could do with something decent to bet on, the US mid terms don't really get my juices flowing.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,513
    NEW THREAD
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,903

    I get the impression that Johnson uses parliament, government and the election process as a toy, solely for his own benefit, irrespetive of its effect on others. He's like a sociopath. I wonder if he used to pull the wings off flies when he was a kid.
    Deleted. Already done.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,243
    darkage said:

    Leon is basically right, but the problem is not so much with Critical Race Theory, which has some academic credibility; but with how it is used. It forms the basis of a worldview that essentially tries to explain all injustice in human society through the failings of white people. It then tries to equate criticism of this worldview, with racism, thus making such criticism impossible. This is basically a political project, which is being rolled out in schools.

    These ideas are so stupid, and so prevalent, and never seem to correct themselves, that it just seems to be evidence that we are living in a weird era of unreason. I can see exactly why, were I to be living in the US, I would vote for Trump. Yes the Jan 6 stuff was insane, but so is this, and sometimes you just have to choose between different forms of insanity. The main problem is that people give the left such a free pass that they haven't even looked in to what is going on, they just think that because the people advocating these ideas are 'progressives', it must all be ok.
    There are some elements of Critical Race Theory that are unobjectionable; there are others that are uncomfortable, but should be debated; and there are some that are just plain wrong. Not every proponent of CRT believes every tenet.

    As a general rule, those who defend it focus solely on the first, and those who seek to oppose it, only on the last.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,029
    Tres said:

    Think you are projecting just a teensy weensy bit.
    I'd heard about it, but didn't know what Critical Race Theory meant. Here's what I discovered:

    "The word critical in its name is an academic term that refers to critical thinking, critical theory, and scholarly criticism, rather than criticizing or blaming people"
    "Academic critics of CRT argue it is based on storytelling instead of evidence and reason, rejects truth and merit, and opposes liberalism.[21] Since 2020, conservative U.S. lawmakers have sought to ban or restrict the instruction of CRT along with other anti‑racism education in primary and secondary schools,[9][22] as well as relevant training inside federal agencies.[23] Advocates of such bans argue that CRT is anti-American, villainizes White people, and indoctrinates children.[24] Advocates of such bans have been accused of misrepresenting the tenets and importance of CRT and of having the goal of broadly silencing discussions of racism, equality, social justice, and the history of race.[25][26]"
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,138
    Anyway, I'll be on holiday for 2 weeks from tomorrow so at least I won't be miffed during that time by @Leon "wish you were here" posts.

    Might be able to compete with a bit of my own too..
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    Boris Johnson has an 80 seat majority until Jan 2025. If he goes to the country he gambles that for two extra years, knowing if he ends up with fewer seats the party will get rid anyway.

    An election is unlikely IMO.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    It’s rather ironic that you misname the protagonist in a post about using the right term.

    You refer to him as Mr Armstrong-Jones or “Mr A-J”

    He calls himself David Snowdon in his personal life, David Linley professionally and David, Earl of Snowdon on formal occasions
    Thank you! I thought that was his name - but obviously can't keep up.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    I told you all weeks ago, GE this year, he would have to go for it.

    I for one welcome it, let's get Labour in with the Lib Dems supporting. Back to boring, get rid of Johnson.

    Given up on winning already?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,523
    Evening all.

    Champagne / prosecco stopper report.

    I bought one of these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/AdHoc-FV35-Stopper-Champagne-Silicone/dp/B00C5SYN6W/

    ... because it adds less height to the bottle wrt fridge door space.

    Seems to work well over 2-3 days - the bottle 'pops' when reopened. But un/re-corking only works a couple of times, and seems better done just the once. And no sharp edges.

  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    In the last 24 hours on PB:

    The United States will split. (yet again)

    There will be a general election this year. (yet again)

    Neither are going to happen.

    When will the PB Bedwetters ever learn?

  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,550
    rcs1000 said:

    It is well known fact that not a single teenager had suicidal thoughts or self harmed prior to the cost of living crisis.
    After the covid pandemic, are we about to suffer a Munchausens Syndrome by Proxy pandemic?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Looks like qualifying might be wet.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,810
    darkage said:

    Leon is basically right, but the problem is not so much with Critical Race Theory, which has some academic credibility; but with how it is used. It forms the basis of a worldview that essentially tries to explain all injustice in human society through the failings of white people. It then tries to equate criticism of this worldview, with racism, thus making such criticism impossible. This is basically a political project, which is being rolled out in schools.

    These ideas are so stupid, and so prevalent, and never seem to correct themselves, that it just seems to be evidence that we are living in a weird era of unreason. I can see exactly why, were I to be living in the US, I would vote for Trump. Yes the Jan 6 stuff was insane, but so is this, and sometimes you just have to choose between different forms of insanity. The main problem is that people give the left such a free pass that they haven't even looked in to what is going on, they just think that because the people advocating these ideas are 'progressives', it must all be ok.
    No, this whole controversy has come out because GOP voters didn't like their children coming home from school and saying 'daddy that's racist'.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,516

    @SamRamani2
    BREAKING: Lithuania announces that its goods transit ban to Kaliningrad will take effect today


    https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1538174325886418944

    "Kaliningrad is the testicles of Russia. Every time I want Russia to scream, I squeeze on Kaliningrad!"
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