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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    IshmaelZ said:

    Carnyx said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Carnyx said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Henry the Navigator of Portugal got an express green light from the Pope to "invade, search out, capture, vanquish and subdue all Saracens and pagans whatsoever, and other enemies of Christ … and to reduce their persons to perpetual slavery’."

    If that doesn't underline the fundamental decency of the Christian white man, I would like to know what does

    Er, what happens if they signed on the dotted line and got baptised?
    I don't think it helped much. The c of e was happy to baptize slaves but it didn't get them anything (except eternal life obv)
    Bit shit for the ones that were volunteered for the British Empire, but Henry the N. was RC wasn't he?
    1470s, only game in town.
    So the RCs didn't let ethics get in the way of economics either, I assume.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited June 2022
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Wow! This is horrific. How the British Empire treated the men who died in support of the regime:

    The long-held explanation is grisly: according to reports made soon after the conflict, the bones were collected, pulverised and turned into fertiliser for agricultural use.

    “It is certainly a singular fact that Great Britain should have sent out multitudes of soldiers to fight the battles of this country upon the continent of Europe, and should then import the bones as an article of commerce to fatten her soil!” the London Observer reported in November 1822.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/jun/18/mystery-of-waterloos-dead-soldiers-to-be-re-examined-by-academics

    What a ludicrous take, there were more Belgians and Dutch in Wellington's forces at Waterloo v Napoleon than non Europeans from the emerging British Empire.

    Not to mention the Prussians joined the British too later in the battle
    Huh? Who said anything about “non-Europeans”? You have a very odd interpretation of the term British Empire excluding the Irish, Welsh, Scots, Manx or English.
    None of them were colonies of the Empire no, they were all people of the United Kingdom in 1815
    People of the territories according to Thatcher mini me.




    As opposed to just being what they're called.

    https://civilservice.blog.gov.uk/2015/08/14/the-role-of-a-territorial-office/
    Where's the English territorial office based?
    England doesn't have its own Parliament unlike the other 3, so the UK PM is also effectively English FM
    Aside from the word effective being attached to BJ, he's effectively English FM and actually the minister for the Union? No conflict of interest there d'ye think?

    I love tone deaf Tory dimwits unwittingly revealing the actualité of the Union, long may it continue.
    No as his UK PM role ie ultimate responsibility for income tax, defence, foreign policy etc is separate to his role as English FM and responsibility for English domestic policy and health and education and the police etc in England
    Who’d’ve thunk that Tory loyalists would start campaigning for a Yes vote this far out from polling day?
    Also, I see HYUFD, for some unaccountable reason, hasn't answered the point that being FM for England and PM of the UK are conflicting interests as a matter of fundamental principle. You know, like being able to decide what your ethics consultant can and can't do. It is just not on.

    PS: as, to be fair, and as it should be stressed, HYUFD has himself implied in the past, he wanting an English Pmt (albeit contrary to C&U[sic]P policy).
    No they aren't at all. The UK PM is effectively the Federal leader of the UK and also since devolution FM for England on English domestic policy. That is inevitable since Scotland, Wales and NI got their own parliaments and FMs.

    However as you say I would also support an English Parliament in say York with Westminster the UK Federal Parliament

    Yes, they conflict, because the UK PM is deciding things from an English FM perspective, or the other way round, or a bit of both - none of which is acceptable, because the requirements of the UK as a whole and those of England in particular will always be more or less different.

    It's a matter of basic principle, rather than actual fault, to begin with anyway. It's unavoidable.
    No he isn't at all, as he only acts as UK PM on defence, foreign policy and some tax for the whole UK. Domestic policy is devolved to each home nation outside of England.

    Though if you really want to complain we can always scrap Holyrood, Stormont and Cardiff and go back to the situation pre devolution where the UK PM is responsible for all domestic policy for the whole UK too
    You're completely failing to recognise that the UK roles have differential impact over the UK as a whole: for instance, policy on defence also takes ijnto account the economic impact of bases. Or, indeed, HS2, where the demands of Conservative nimbies have tended to override wider considerations of connectivity. Just look at the cancellation the other week.
    So you are now so desperate you are saying Scotland is desperate for HS2 from to and from London as you love the city so much you can't wait to get to Manchester to use it. Never mind the houses and fields that will have to be developed over to make way for it and will have to deal with the noise in their vicinity
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135
    IshmaelZ said:

    kinabalu said:

    darkage said:

    Tres said:

    Why do you think teaching children about racism is disgusting?

    The 'progressive' left are very good at equating criticism of "Critical Race Theory" with racism.
    But in reality, it is quite possible to be opposed to racism, and also opposed to Critical Race Theory and its teaching in schools. That would be my own perspective.
    Course you can be opposed to both. Loads are.

    What's interesting is the relative strength of opposition. In particular where someone is far more animated about Critical Race Theory than about the thing it seeks to study - Racism.

    I don't assume such people are racists - not at all - but there is imo something brittle and illogical going on there. White Fragility is one term coined to describe it and although I wouldn't bandy it about on here - since it irritates people - I think it's quite a perceptive one.
    Just imagine a world in which that great Force For Good the British Empire had left all those fucking Africans in fucking Africa. I can't begin to enumerate the problems that would have caused.
    Does not bear thinking about.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Wow! This is horrific. How the British Empire treated the men who died in support of the regime:

    The long-held explanation is grisly: according to reports made soon after the conflict, the bones were collected, pulverised and turned into fertiliser for agricultural use.

    “It is certainly a singular fact that Great Britain should have sent out multitudes of soldiers to fight the battles of this country upon the continent of Europe, and should then import the bones as an article of commerce to fatten her soil!” the London Observer reported in November 1822.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/jun/18/mystery-of-waterloos-dead-soldiers-to-be-re-examined-by-academics

    What a ludicrous take, there were more Belgians and Dutch in Wellington's forces at Waterloo v Napoleon than non Europeans from the emerging British Empire.

    Not to mention the Prussians joined the British too later in the battle
    Huh? Who said anything about “non-Europeans”? You have a very odd interpretation of the term British Empire excluding the Irish, Welsh, Scots, Manx or English.
    None of them were colonies of the Empire no, they were all people of the United Kingdom in 1815
    People of the territories according to Thatcher mini me.




    As opposed to just being what they're called.

    https://civilservice.blog.gov.uk/2015/08/14/the-role-of-a-territorial-office/
    Where's the English territorial office based?
    England doesn't have its own Parliament unlike the other 3, so the UK PM is also effectively English FM
    Aside from the word effective being attached to BJ, he's effectively English FM and actually the minister for the Union? No conflict of interest there d'ye think?

    I love tone deaf Tory dimwits unwittingly revealing the actualité of the Union, long may it continue.
    No as his UK PM role ie ultimate responsibility for income tax, defence, foreign policy etc is separate to his role as English FM and responsibility for English domestic policy and health and education and the police etc in England
    Who’d’ve thunk that Tory loyalists would start campaigning for a Yes vote this far out from polling day?
    Also, I see HYUFD, for some unaccountable reason, hasn't answered the point that being FM for England and PM of the UK are conflicting interests as a matter of fundamental principle. You know, like being able to decide what your ethics consultant can and can't do. It is just not on.

    PS: as, to be fair, and as it should be stressed, HYUFD has himself implied in the past, he wanting an English Pmt (albeit contrary to C&U[sic]P policy).
    No they aren't at all. The UK PM is effectively the Federal leader of the UK and also since devolution FM for England on English domestic policy. That is inevitable since Scotland, Wales and NI got their own parliaments and FMs.

    However as you say I would also support an English Parliament in say York with Westminster the UK Federal Parliament

    Yes, they conflict, because the UK PM is deciding things from an English FM perspective, or the other way round, or a bit of both - none of which is acceptable, because the requirements of the UK as a whole and those of England in particular will always be more or less different.

    It's a matter of basic principle, rather than actual fault, to begin with anyway. It's unavoidable.
    No he isn't at all, as he only acts as UK PM on defence, foreign policy and some tax for the whole UK. Domestic policy is devolved to each home nation outside of England.

    Though if you really want to complain we can always scrap Holyrood, Stormont and Cardiff and go back to the situation pre devolution where the UK PM is responsible for all domestic policy for the whole UK too
    You're completely failing to recognise that the UK roles have differential impact over the UK as a whole: for instance, policy on defence also takes ijnto account the economic impact of bases. Or, indeed, HS2, where the demands of Conservative nimbies have tended to override wider considerations of connectivity. Just look at the cancellation the other week.
    So you are now so desperate you are saying Scotland is desperate for HS2 from to and from London as you love the city so much and never mind the houses and fields that will have to be developed over to make way for it and will have to deal with the noise in their vicinity
    But that is precisely the point. It's the CONSERVATIVE party that is touting HS2 as essential for the connectivity of the Union - yet at the same time sabotaging it, because Mr Johnson is answering only to his Tory MPs and not to the UK as a whole.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716
    The Hill has a round up of candidates who may well run for GOP if Trump can't/doesn't.

    I put a couple of quid on Tim Scott after reading this at 60. Sounded kinda interesting.

    But DYOR obviously.

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,431
    dixiedean said:

    America is nothing if not a land of equal opportunity for nutters with guns.
    70 year old this time.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/18/gunman-70-kills-three-people-at-alabama-church-dinner

    Attacker subdued with a chair, apparently. Subsequently hit with a gun, but not shot.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    The Hill has a round up of candidates who may well run for GOP if Trump can't/doesn't.

    I put a couple of quid on Tim Scott after reading this at 60. Sounded kinda interesting.

    But DYOR obviously.

    De Santis also trails likely Democrat candidate Charlie Crist in the latest Florida governor poll, so may not even be a contender

    http://thelistenergroup.com/charlie-crist-leading-ron-desantis-in-very-close-race/
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,251
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yougov. Would you prefer your children to study for a degree or do an apprenticeship?

    Degree 35%
    Apprenticeship 44%

    Remainers Degree 50%

    Leavers Apprenticeship 56%


    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1538115066200981505?s=20&t=VGA1FQQWBV_3HS6SnWXgbg

    An expensive higher education should be the exclusive right of the upper classes (whoever they may be). Isn't that right HYUFD?

    My view is, if three years reading for a non- vocational university degree is good enough for Boris Johnson, it is not too good for my children.
    I wonder how many of the numerous (final number tbc) Johnson sprogs will be applying for apprenticeships?
    When one of the Royals opts for an NVQ in Health and Social Care. That will be the measure of an equal opportunity society.
    The Queen was a mechanic in the War, Princess Margaret's son was a carpenter
    Mr Armstrong-Jones would be mortified to read that! He's a furniture designer and joiner.
    Since when have you not needed an apprenticeship to become a joiner?
    You said "carpenter". Which is something very different. And Mr A-J is a 'joiner' in the sense that the Chief of Defence Staff is a 'squaddie'.
    It’s rather ironic that you misname the protagonist in a post about using the right term.

    You refer to him as Mr Armstrong-Jones or “Mr A-J”

    He calls himself David Snowdon in his personal life, David Linley professionally and David, Earl of Snowdon on formal occasions
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    Applicant said:

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    Leon said:


    ISW
    @TheStudyofWar
    ·
    1h
    - Unconfirmed Ukrainian sources report that the Kremlin fired the Commander of the Russian Airborne Forces, Colonel-General Andrey Serdyukov, due to mass casualties among Russian paratroopers.

    https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1538150378197372935

    The incompetence of Russia’s supposedly elite forces is one of the mysteries of this war. Yes, everyone expected their lazy, corrupt, ill-trained and ill-disciplined regular chumps to get chewed up and spat out, but I’m pretty sure we thought that they did actually have some excellent elite units. Was it all just marketing guff?

    Talking of elite units suffering from Cognitive Dissonance, I see that the porn star English barracks won’t be allowed to send any “elite” performers to the Balkans.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-essex-61851456
    “English”

    Lol
    I realise a doofus upthread tried to assert that England does not exist, but a barracks in Essex can accurately be referred to as an English barracks.

    Churchill was right:

    “There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is England".

    "A nation which has forgotten its past can have no future."
    Politically, England doesn't exist. There is no England government or parliament.
    Currently there are also no socially acceptable/official celebrations of Englishness or of an English cultural identity. Politically, there is just a continual attempt to balkanise England for this reason or that - like Kle4 said of identity cards the other day, a constant solution in search of a problem.

    Personally I am and have always felt far more British than English, so it doesn't upset me too much.
    Attending football, cricket or rugby matches and cheering on England is “not socially acceptable”. Wow! Civic society has really deteriorated south of the border.

    As for “official”, I’m sure that’ll come as news to Homes England. You’ll have to rename them Homes in the Blank Space East of Wales, South of Scotland, West of the Netherlands and North of France.
    Homes in the part of the UK which isn't Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited June 2022
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Wow! This is horrific. How the British Empire treated the men who died in support of the regime:

    The long-held explanation is grisly: according to reports made soon after the conflict, the bones were collected, pulverised and turned into fertiliser for agricultural use.

    “It is certainly a singular fact that Great Britain should have sent out multitudes of soldiers to fight the battles of this country upon the continent of Europe, and should then import the bones as an article of commerce to fatten her soil!” the London Observer reported in November 1822.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/jun/18/mystery-of-waterloos-dead-soldiers-to-be-re-examined-by-academics

    What a ludicrous take, there were more Belgians and Dutch in Wellington's forces at Waterloo v Napoleon than non Europeans from the emerging British Empire.

    Not to mention the Prussians joined the British too later in the battle
    Huh? Who said anything about “non-Europeans”? You have a very odd interpretation of the term British Empire excluding the Irish, Welsh, Scots, Manx or English.
    None of them were colonies of the Empire no, they were all people of the United Kingdom in 1815
    People of the territories according to Thatcher mini me.




    As opposed to just being what they're called.

    https://civilservice.blog.gov.uk/2015/08/14/the-role-of-a-territorial-office/
    Where's the English territorial office based?
    England doesn't have its own Parliament unlike the other 3, so the UK PM is also effectively English FM
    Aside from the word effective being attached to BJ, he's effectively English FM and actually the minister for the Union? No conflict of interest there d'ye think?

    I love tone deaf Tory dimwits unwittingly revealing the actualité of the Union, long may it continue.
    No as his UK PM role ie ultimate responsibility for income tax, defence, foreign policy etc is separate to his role as English FM and responsibility for English domestic policy and health and education and the police etc in England
    Who’d’ve thunk that Tory loyalists would start campaigning for a Yes vote this far out from polling day?
    Also, I see HYUFD, for some unaccountable reason, hasn't answered the point that being FM for England and PM of the UK are conflicting interests as a matter of fundamental principle. You know, like being able to decide what your ethics consultant can and can't do. It is just not on.

    PS: as, to be fair, and as it should be stressed, HYUFD has himself implied in the past, he wanting an English Pmt (albeit contrary to C&U[sic]P policy).
    No they aren't at all. The UK PM is effectively the Federal leader of the UK and also since devolution FM for England on English domestic policy. That is inevitable since Scotland, Wales and NI got their own parliaments and FMs.

    However as you say I would also support an English Parliament in say York with Westminster the UK Federal Parliament

    Yes, they conflict, because the UK PM is deciding things from an English FM perspective, or the other way round, or a bit of both - none of which is acceptable, because the requirements of the UK as a whole and those of England in particular will always be more or less different.

    It's a matter of basic principle, rather than actual fault, to begin with anyway. It's unavoidable.
    No he isn't at all, as he only acts as UK PM on defence, foreign policy and some tax for the whole UK. Domestic policy is devolved to each home nation outside of England.

    Though if you really want to complain we can always scrap Holyrood, Stormont and Cardiff and go back to the situation pre devolution where the UK PM is responsible for all domestic policy for the whole UK too
    You're completely failing to recognise that the UK roles have differential impact over the UK as a whole: for instance, policy on defence also takes ijnto account the economic impact of bases. Or, indeed, HS2, where the demands of Conservative nimbies have tended to override wider considerations of connectivity. Just look at the cancellation the other week.
    So you are now so desperate you are saying Scotland is desperate for HS2 from to and from London as you love the city so much and never mind the houses and fields that will have to be developed over to make way for it and will have to deal with the noise in their vicinity
    But that is precisely the point. It's the CONSERVATIVE party that is touting HS2 as essential for the connectivity of the Union - yet at the same time sabotaging it, because Mr Johnson is answering only to his Tory MPs and not to the UK as a whole.
    Of course he answers to the UK as a whole as his party was elected by a majority of 80 across the UK as a whole to be PM of the UK until the end of 2024
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647

    ydoethur said:

    pigeon said:

    Britain is falling apart, episode 1,672: hot on the heels of the Ajax programme, which has created faulty and useless armoured vehicles that injure the soldiers they are meant to transport, here comes the NHS England ambulance programme, which has rolled out vehicles that paramedics over 5'9" can't drive...

    Dozens of staff at an ambulance trust claim they cannot drive its £54m fleet of new vehicles due to their height or body shape.

    Documents reveal a string of problems with converted Fiats, which replaced the ageing Mercedes vans at the East of England Ambulance Service (EEAST).

    The vehicles are part of an NHS drive to standardise its fleet and are being adopted by trusts across the country.

    .....

    One emergency medical technician told the BBC: "I was told that anyone over 5ft 9in (1.75m) would be unable to drive it as they would not be able to achieve a comfortable and safe driving position.

    "I did try to get into the driver's seat but I couldn't adjust the seat to allow me to operate the pedals properly and the steering wheel was pressed against my legs, making it difficult to steer safely."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-61847310

    These issues are not odd exceptions and nor are they confined to England. The Scottish Government, for example, has struggled to deliver new hospitals that aren't littered with construction faults.

    Is it really the case that this country is exceptionally bad at delivering major public procurement projects on time, to budget, and without being plagued with faults? Or are everyone else's bureaucracies equally flawed, only we don't hear so much about mistakes we're not paying for?

    Five foot nine? That's surely barely average height for a man. I'm taller than that and I don't think of myself as tall.

    What retard designed that?
    I read some burbling about an EU design but if so, how do the Dutch manage?
    Considering the Fiat Ducato on which it is based is a best seller as van and for conversion to campervan, I find this all a bit strange. It can obviously be driven by people of many shapes.



  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716
    edited June 2022
    HYUFD said:

    The Hill has a round up of candidates who may well run for GOP if Trump can't/doesn't.

    I put a couple of quid on Tim Scott after reading this at 60. Sounded kinda interesting.

    But DYOR obviously.

    De Santis also trails likely Democrat candidate Charlie Crist in the latest Florida governor poll, so may not even be a contender

    http://thelistenergroup.com/charlie-crist-leading-ron-desantis-in-very-close-race/
    Doesnt losing free him up for a run in 2024?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,431
    HYUFD said:

    The Hill has a round up of candidates who may well run for GOP if Trump can't/doesn't.

    I put a couple of quid on Tim Scott after reading this at 60. Sounded kinda interesting.

    But DYOR obviously.

    De Santis also trails likely Democrat candidate Charlie Crist in the latest Florida governor poll, so may not even be a contender

    http://thelistenergroup.com/charlie-crist-leading-ron-desantis-in-very-close-race/
    Good news.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    https://twitter.com/BeckettUnite/status/1538054097122770945

    Apparently matching wage rises to price rises will make the economy worse.

    But rampant & record corporate profits are perfectly healthy.

    Don’t fall for these lies. Tax wealth.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited June 2022

    HYUFD said:

    The Hill has a round up of candidates who may well run for GOP if Trump can't/doesn't.

    I put a couple of quid on Tim Scott after reading this at 60. Sounded kinda interesting.

    But DYOR obviously.

    De Santis also trails likely Democrat candidate Charlie Crist in the latest Florida governor poll, so may not even be a contender

    http://thelistenergroup.com/charlie-crist-leading-ron-desantis-in-very-close-race/
    Doesnt losing free him up for a run in 2024?
    If he lost Florida, which even Trump managed to win in 2020, then he would be toast in 2024.

    Pence would be the likely favourite to be GOP nominee instead if Trump did not run, or Trump's main rival if he did run.

    Last time a President failed to win re election after only a single term of his party in the White House, Carter in 1980, of course his VP Mondale ended up the Democrat candidate to take on President Reagan in 1984
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,587
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    pigeon said:

    Britain is falling apart, episode 1,672: hot on the heels of the Ajax programme, which has created faulty and useless armoured vehicles that injure the soldiers they are meant to transport, here comes the NHS England ambulance programme, which has rolled out vehicles that paramedics over 5'9" can't drive...

    Dozens of staff at an ambulance trust claim they cannot drive its £54m fleet of new vehicles due to their height or body shape.

    Documents reveal a string of problems with converted Fiats, which replaced the ageing Mercedes vans at the East of England Ambulance Service (EEAST).

    The vehicles are part of an NHS drive to standardise its fleet and are being adopted by trusts across the country.

    .....

    One emergency medical technician told the BBC: "I was told that anyone over 5ft 9in (1.75m) would be unable to drive it as they would not be able to achieve a comfortable and safe driving position.

    "I did try to get into the driver's seat but I couldn't adjust the seat to allow me to operate the pedals properly and the steering wheel was pressed against my legs, making it difficult to steer safely."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-61847310

    These issues are not odd exceptions and nor are they confined to England. The Scottish Government, for example, has struggled to deliver new hospitals that aren't littered with construction faults.

    Is it really the case that this country is exceptionally bad at delivering major public procurement projects on time, to budget, and without being plagued with faults? Or are everyone else's bureaucracies equally flawed, only we don't hear so much about mistakes we're not paying for?

    Five foot nine? That's surely barely average height for a man. I'm taller than that and I don't think of myself as tall.

    What retard designed that?
    I read some burbling about an EU design but if so, how do the Dutch manage?
    Considering the Fiat Ducato on which it is based is a best seller as van and for conversion to campervan, I find this all a bit strange. It can obviously be driven by people of many shapes.

    I think the motorhome lived in during my coastal walk 20 years ago was based on a Fiat Ducato (a Swift Royale 620).

    I wonder if the driver's seat position has been changed to allow access to the rear? Although the shape of the Ducato has become somewhat more streamlined over the years, so it might be that the roofline is lower now, further forwards.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,659
    223p, unleaded, Highlands. #pedalpower

    Although it's miserably cold for a cycle tour. June is supposed to be the good month for Scotland.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,696
    Leon said:

    Tres said:

    Why do you think teaching children about racism is disgusting?

    Because Critical Race Theory goes way way way beyond that, and teaches white kids that they should feel intrinsic shame and guilt just because they are white, because they benefit from white privilege and white people did terrible things, and, moreover, this guilt can never be expiated, never paid off, it is an indelible stain: you are evil and you must “do the work” of apology for your whiteness

    It is revolting psychological abuse. American parents are right to be fighting it. This alone could win the GOP the presidency. This is why it is so insane the Lefty Dems are pushing it
    Think you are projecting just a teensy weensy bit.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135
    edited June 2022
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The Hill has a round up of candidates who may well run for GOP if Trump can't/doesn't.

    I put a couple of quid on Tim Scott after reading this at 60. Sounded kinda interesting.

    But DYOR obviously.

    De Santis also trails likely Democrat candidate Charlie Crist in the latest Florida governor poll, so may not even be a contender

    http://thelistenergroup.com/charlie-crist-leading-ron-desantis-in-very-close-race/
    Doesnt losing free him up for a run in 2024?
    If he lost Florida, which even Trump managed to win in 2020, then he would be toast in 2024.

    Pence would be the likely favourite to be GOP nominee instead if Trump did not run, or Trump's main rival if he did run.

    Last time a President failed to win re election after only a single term of his party in the White House, Carter in 1980, of course his VP Mondale ended up the Democrat candidate to take on President Reagan in 1984
    Trump in 2020?

    Edit: Sorry, see what you mean.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
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    Carnyx said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yougov. Would you prefer your children to study for a degree or do an apprenticeship?

    Degree 35%
    Apprenticeship 44%

    Remainers Degree 50%

    Leavers Apprenticeship 56%


    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1538115066200981505?s=20&t=VGA1FQQWBV_3HS6SnWXgbg

    An expensive higher education should be the exclusive right of the upper classes (whoever they may be). Isn't that right HYUFD?

    My view is, if three years reading for a non- vocational university degree is good enough for Boris Johnson, it is not too good for my children.
    4 years
    I read for just three years at what is now a Russell Group University. Does that make me Mr Johnson's inferior?
    Well he is obv one third again more educated than you
    To be honest it could have all been done in one academic year if truth be told. So I guess Johnson in reality is at least four times better educated than me.
    On the wider comparison with Oxford undergraduate educational performance in general, and forgetting Mr Johnson, how did you score on the pub/restaurant-smashing-up quantitative metric? Disd you have to do it 4 times as fast, or what?
    I failed that module.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,431

    ...

    Carnyx said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yougov. Would you prefer your children to study for a degree or do an apprenticeship?

    Degree 35%
    Apprenticeship 44%

    Remainers Degree 50%

    Leavers Apprenticeship 56%


    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1538115066200981505?s=20&t=VGA1FQQWBV_3HS6SnWXgbg

    An expensive higher education should be the exclusive right of the upper classes (whoever they may be). Isn't that right HYUFD?

    My view is, if three years reading for a non- vocational university degree is good enough for Boris Johnson, it is not too good for my children.
    4 years
    I read for just three years at what is now a Russell Group University. Does that make me Mr Johnson's inferior?
    Well he is obv one third again more educated than you
    To be honest it could have all been done in one academic year if truth be told. So I guess Johnson in reality is at least four times better educated than me.
    On the wider comparison with Oxford undergraduate educational performance in general, and forgetting Mr Johnson, how did you score on the pub/restaurant-smashing-up quantitative metric? Disd you have to do it 4 times as fast, or what?
    I failed that module.
    Congratulations!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,958
    rcs1000 said:

    algarkirk said:

    "One in 10 children in Britain have started self-harming – with many also having suicidal thoughts – as a consequence of the cost of living crisis, a new report has revealed."


    Is it possible this is false? Is it possible this is true?

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jun/18/children-stressed-and-self-harming-uk-cost-of-living-crisis-childhood-trust

    It is well known fact that not a single teenager had suicidal thoughts or self harmed prior to the cost of living crisis.
    Poor wee sods have only just recovered from the scourge of mask wearing. They do seem a bit more resilient than some adults mind.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    .
    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Priti comes out for leaving the ECHR. God help us

    And what do you think will happen? Nazi death squads in the streets the next day? We have a well established legal system in this country.
    Let me bite.

    Much of the arguments against the ECHR and its court have been from those saying how unconscionable for foreign judges to make rulings affecting this country, as if it is only their foreignness which is the issue.

    A deceptive sleight of hand.

    Let's leave aside that this was precisely the reason why the HRA came in - to domesticate the ECHR.

    It is not the foreignness of the judges which is the problem but that the courts are not allowing the government to do what it wants. It is any fetter on their power, whether judicial (domestic or foreign), Parliamentary etc which they dislike & which they attack whenever they do not get their own way. See the attacks on the Miller judges & Supreme Court. Or the PM defaming lawyers saying they were abetting criminal gangs. Or the Lord Chancellor & Attorney-General, both statutorily required to defend the independence of the judiciary & Bar, being quiet when these attacks are made. See the justice system being systematically downgraded for years.

    The concern is that, once out of the ECHR, the next attack will be on our domestic courts. Then on the idea of any sort of rights at all. We had one of our posters saying that people coming here from abroad should not have the same rights as "citizens" without clarifying what this means nor what rights they should be denied.

    We already have government ministers raising the possibility of ignoring court orders. We have the PM wanting to breach existing laws & get away with it. We have Ministers saying in Parliament it's ok to break the law if it is "limited" & "specific".

    So this idea that our well-established legal system wouldn't be next in the sights is for the birds, frankly.

    (Read Sebastian Haffner's "Defying Hitler: A Memoir" to understand how small baby steps & the accommodations people make allow a civilised country to degrade.)

    We simply cannot be confident in the word of the British government. We cannot be confident that deep in its bones it truly believes it ought to be subject to law & restraints in the same way as everyone else, that the law applies equally to all. It believes & is increasingly acting as if the executive should do everything without scrutiny or restraint.

    In such a world we all suffer even if some seem to think that it's ok because it's their party in power or they like the policy.

    Time to revisit that Thomas More quote from A Man for All Seasons. Or this -
    from Aeschylus - "Let no man live uncurbed by law or curbed by tyranny.”

    As Lord Sumption said in his Reith lectures -

    "..that was written in the 5th century BC but the message is timeless & it’s universal. Law is ..... an expression of collective values and an alternative to violence and capricious despotism".

    We have a capricious PM & an increasingly capricious government. We have no guaranteed immunity to what that can lead to, no matter how much complacency Tory supporters like to feel & express, here & elsewhere.

    Agree with every word.

    I'd add that the ECHR is not perfect, and one might make a reasonable case for other arrangements.
    But to do so in the context of what is a temporary injunction, which merely pauses a policy for a matter of weeks so that UK courts can hold a full hearing on its merits, is beyond suspicious.

    That the policy is one brought into being by administrative fiat rather than legislation makes it worse.

    And for the Home Secretary to label a perfectly reasonable judicial decision (whether she agrees with it or not) as "outrageous" is disgraceful rabble rousing.
    Agreed that the ECHR is not perfect. But those attacking it are not acting in good faith. The attacks are in utter bad faith because they do not want to make it better or more effective. They simply want to get rid of it. The judge being foreign is simply the pretext used.

    The Tory party is increasingly adopting a "l'etat c'est moi" cast of mind. This is profoundly unconservative and dangerous for our democracy.
    Note that there will have been a UK judge on the panel.
    Any case before the court has a judge from the country it concerns, I think ?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    Eabhal said:

    223p, unleaded, Highlands. #pedalpower

    Although it's miserably cold for a cycle tour. June is supposed to be the good month for Scotland.

    191p at my petrol station today. Glad I filled up last week at a bargain 181p...
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1537845004751847425

    I bloody told you. General Election proposed on 27th October by Johnson's allies.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The Hill has a round up of candidates who may well run for GOP if Trump can't/doesn't.

    I put a couple of quid on Tim Scott after reading this at 60. Sounded kinda interesting.

    But DYOR obviously.

    De Santis also trails likely Democrat candidate Charlie Crist in the latest Florida governor poll, so may not even be a contender

    http://thelistenergroup.com/charlie-crist-leading-ron-desantis-in-very-close-race/
    Doesnt losing free him up for a run in 2024?
    If he lost Florida, which even Trump managed to win in 2020, then he would be toast in 2024.

    Pence would be the likely favourite to be GOP nominee instead if Trump did not run, or Trump's main rival if he did run.

    Last time a President failed to win re election after only a single term of his party in the White House, Carter in 1980, of course his VP Mondale ended up the Democrat candidate to take on President Reagan in 1984
    Trump was busy dissing Pence the other day:

    https://eu.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2022/06/17/donald-trump-slams-mike-pence-during-nashville-speech-jan-6-hearings-continue/7622080001/

    "Former Trump aides and staff testified on Thursday of Trump’s efforts to pressure Pence to illegally reject the 2020 election results. A former Trump assistant testified Trump called Pence a “wimp” in a heated Jan. 6 phone call.

    “I never called Mike Pence a wimp,” Trump said. “Mike Pence had a chance to be great. He had a chance to be, frankly, historic, but just like Bill Barr and the rest of these weak people, Mike did not have the courage to act.”
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839

    Applicant said:

    .

    Leon said:


    ISW
    @TheStudyofWar
    ·
    1h
    - Unconfirmed Ukrainian sources report that the Kremlin fired the Commander of the Russian Airborne Forces, Colonel-General Andrey Serdyukov, due to mass casualties among Russian paratroopers.

    https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1538150378197372935

    The incompetence of Russia’s supposedly elite forces is one of the mysteries of this war. Yes, everyone expected their lazy, corrupt, ill-trained and ill-disciplined regular chumps to get chewed up and spat out, but I’m pretty sure we thought that they did actually have some excellent elite units. Was it all just marketing guff?

    Talking of elite units suffering from Cognitive Dissonance, I see that the porn star English barracks won’t be allowed to send any “elite” performers to the Balkans.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-essex-61851456
    “English”

    Lol
    I realise a doofus upthread tried to assert that England does not exist, but a barracks in Essex can accurately be referred to as an English barracks.

    Churchill was right:

    “There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is England".

    "A nation which has forgotten its past can have no future."
    Politically, England doesn't exist. There is no England government or parliament.
    Currently there are also no socially acceptable/official celebrations of Englishness or of an English cultural identity. Politically, there is just a continual attempt to balkanise England for this reason or that - like Kle4 said of identity cards the other day, a constant solution in search of a problem.

    Personally I am and have always felt far more British than English, so it doesn't upset me too much.

    Politically, we have a right-wing, populist English nationalist government that has no interest whatsoever in the views of anyone outside of England - and inside England is focused solely on feeding culture war to a base of around 40% of the electorate, most of which is over 50.

    Culture warfare is merely a thin veneer overlaying economic warfare. The Conservative Party keeps its grip on power through a programme of upwards redistribution of wealth to its core supporters.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Applicant said:

    Applicant said:

    .

    Leon said:


    ISW
    @TheStudyofWar
    ·
    1h
    - Unconfirmed Ukrainian sources report that the Kremlin fired the Commander of the Russian Airborne Forces, Colonel-General Andrey Serdyukov, due to mass casualties among Russian paratroopers.

    https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1538150378197372935

    The incompetence of Russia’s supposedly elite forces is one of the mysteries of this war. Yes, everyone expected their lazy, corrupt, ill-trained and ill-disciplined regular chumps to get chewed up and spat out, but I’m pretty sure we thought that they did actually have some excellent elite units. Was it all just marketing guff?

    Talking of elite units suffering from Cognitive Dissonance, I see that the porn star English barracks won’t be allowed to send any “elite” performers to the Balkans.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-essex-61851456
    “English”

    Lol
    I realise a doofus upthread tried to assert that England does not exist, but a barracks in Essex can accurately be referred to as an English barracks.

    Churchill was right:

    “There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is England".

    "A nation which has forgotten its past can have no future."
    Politically, England doesn't exist. There is no England government or parliament.
    Currently there are also no socially acceptable/official celebrations of Englishness or of an English cultural identity. Politically, there is just a continual attempt to balkanise England for this reason or that - like Kle4 said of identity cards the other day, a constant solution in search of a problem.

    Personally I am and have always felt far more British than English, so it doesn't upset me too much.
    Attending football, cricket or rugby matches and cheering on England is “not socially acceptable”. Wow! Civic society has really deteriorated south of the border.

    As for “official”, I’m sure that’ll come as news to Homes England. You’ll have to rename them Homes in the Blank Space East of Wales, South of Scotland, West of the Netherlands and North of France.
    Homes in the part of the UK which isn't Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.
    Churchill would have been so proud of the nation 70 years on.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    pigeon said:

    Applicant said:

    .

    Leon said:


    ISW
    @TheStudyofWar
    ·
    1h
    - Unconfirmed Ukrainian sources report that the Kremlin fired the Commander of the Russian Airborne Forces, Colonel-General Andrey Serdyukov, due to mass casualties among Russian paratroopers.

    https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1538150378197372935

    The incompetence of Russia’s supposedly elite forces is one of the mysteries of this war. Yes, everyone expected their lazy, corrupt, ill-trained and ill-disciplined regular chumps to get chewed up and spat out, but I’m pretty sure we thought that they did actually have some excellent elite units. Was it all just marketing guff?

    Talking of elite units suffering from Cognitive Dissonance, I see that the porn star English barracks won’t be allowed to send any “elite” performers to the Balkans.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-essex-61851456
    “English”

    Lol
    I realise a doofus upthread tried to assert that England does not exist, but a barracks in Essex can accurately be referred to as an English barracks.

    Churchill was right:

    “There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is England".

    "A nation which has forgotten its past can have no future."
    Politically, England doesn't exist. There is no England government or parliament.
    Currently there are also no socially acceptable/official celebrations of Englishness or of an English cultural identity. Politically, there is just a continual attempt to balkanise England for this reason or that - like Kle4 said of identity cards the other day, a constant solution in search of a problem.

    Personally I am and have always felt far more British than English, so it doesn't upset me too much.

    Politically, we have a right-wing, populist English nationalist government that has no interest whatsoever in the views of anyone outside of England - and inside England is focused solely on feeding culture war to a base of around 40% of the electorate, most of which is over 50.

    Culture warfare is merely a thin veneer overlaying economic warfare. The Conservative Party keeps its grip on power through a programme of upwards redistribution of wealth to its core supporters.
    Hmmm…
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1537845004751847425

    I bloody told you. General Election proposed on 27th October by Johnson's allies.

    It's a bloody terrible idea by any reasonable standards.

    No wonder they're proposing it...
  • I told you all weeks ago, GE this year, he would have to go for it.

    I for one welcome it, let's get Labour in with the Lib Dems supporting. Back to boring, get rid of Johnson.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    Applicant said:

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1537845004751847425

    I bloody told you. General Election proposed on 27th October by Johnson's allies.

    It's a bloody terrible idea by any reasonable standards.

    No wonder they're proposing it...
    It's completely bonkers, so nailed on!
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Tres said:

    Leon said:

    Tres said:

    Why do you think teaching children about racism is disgusting?

    Because Critical Race Theory goes way way way beyond that, and teaches white kids that they should feel intrinsic shame and guilt just because they are white, because they benefit from white privilege and white people did terrible things, and, moreover, this guilt can never be expiated, never paid off, it is an indelible stain: you are evil and you must “do the work” of apology for your whiteness

    It is revolting psychological abuse. American parents are right to be fighting it. This alone could win the GOP the presidency. This is why it is so insane the Lefty Dems are pushing it
    Think you are projecting just a teensy weensy bit.
    Leon is basically right, but the problem is not so much with Critical Race Theory, which has some academic credibility; but with how it is used. It forms the basis of a worldview that essentially tries to explain all injustice in human society through the failings of white people. It then tries to equate criticism of this worldview, with racism, thus making such criticism impossible. This is basically a political project, which is being rolled out in schools.

    These ideas are so stupid, and so prevalent, and never seem to correct themselves, that it just seems to be evidence that we are living in a weird era of unreason. I can see exactly why, were I to be living in the US, I would vote for Trump. Yes the Jan 6 stuff was insane, but so is this, and sometimes you just have to choose between different forms of insanity. The main problem is that people give the left such a free pass that they haven't even looked in to what is going on, they just think that because the people advocating these ideas are 'progressives', it must all be ok.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    Applicant said:

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1537845004751847425

    I bloody told you. General Election proposed on 27th October by Johnson's allies.

    It's a bloody terrible idea by any reasonable standards.

    No wonder they're proposing it...
    I get the impression that Johnson uses parliament, government and the election process as a toy, solely for his own benefit, irrespetive of its effect on others. He's like a sociopath. I wonder if he used to pull the wings off flies when he was a kid.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    There will not be an election this year. There really won’t. Under no circumstances. Need I be clearer?
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,913

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1537845004751847425

    I bloody told you. General Election proposed on 27th October by Johnson's allies.

    Another example of where Boris is a (much paler luckily) shadow of Trump.
    An election then may suit Boris, but would be horrific for his Party.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    223p, unleaded, Highlands. #pedalpower

    Although it's miserably cold for a cycle tour. June is supposed to be the good month for Scotland.

    191p at my petrol station today. Glad I filled up last week at a bargain 181p...
    195.9 in tesco pembroke dock yesterday for diesel.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1537845004751847425

    I bloody told you. General Election proposed on 27th October by Johnson's allies.

    Something for all of us to look forward to during the summer! 👍
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839

    Applicant said:

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1537845004751847425

    I bloody told you. General Election proposed on 27th October by Johnson's allies.

    It's a bloody terrible idea by any reasonable standards.

    No wonder they're proposing it...
    I get the impression that Johnson uses parliament, government and the election process as a toy, solely for his own benefit, irrespetive of its effect on others. He's like a sociopath. I wonder if he used to pull the wings off flies when he was a kid.
    FIFY
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    Three Redactles in a row! (This one wasn't too hard)
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    JohnO said:

    There will not be an election this year. There really won’t. Under no circumstances. Need I be clearer?

    Are you sure? 😊
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1537845004751847425

    I bloody told you. General Election proposed on 27th October by Johnson's allies.

    Something for all of us to look forward to during the summer! 👍
    We could do with something decent to bet on, the US mid terms don't really get my juices flowing.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    NEW THREAD
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402

    Applicant said:

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1537845004751847425

    I bloody told you. General Election proposed on 27th October by Johnson's allies.

    It's a bloody terrible idea by any reasonable standards.

    No wonder they're proposing it...
    I get the impression that Johnson uses parliament, government and the election process as a toy, solely for his own benefit, irrespetive of its effect on others. He's like a sociopath. I wonder if he used to pull the wings off flies when he was a kid.
    Deleted. Already done.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    darkage said:

    Tres said:

    Leon said:

    Tres said:

    Why do you think teaching children about racism is disgusting?

    Because Critical Race Theory goes way way way beyond that, and teaches white kids that they should feel intrinsic shame and guilt just because they are white, because they benefit from white privilege and white people did terrible things, and, moreover, this guilt can never be expiated, never paid off, it is an indelible stain: you are evil and you must “do the work” of apology for your whiteness

    It is revolting psychological abuse. American parents are right to be fighting it. This alone could win the GOP the presidency. This is why it is so insane the Lefty Dems are pushing it
    Think you are projecting just a teensy weensy bit.
    Leon is basically right, but the problem is not so much with Critical Race Theory, which has some academic credibility; but with how it is used. It forms the basis of a worldview that essentially tries to explain all injustice in human society through the failings of white people. It then tries to equate criticism of this worldview, with racism, thus making such criticism impossible. This is basically a political project, which is being rolled out in schools.

    These ideas are so stupid, and so prevalent, and never seem to correct themselves, that it just seems to be evidence that we are living in a weird era of unreason. I can see exactly why, were I to be living in the US, I would vote for Trump. Yes the Jan 6 stuff was insane, but so is this, and sometimes you just have to choose between different forms of insanity. The main problem is that people give the left such a free pass that they haven't even looked in to what is going on, they just think that because the people advocating these ideas are 'progressives', it must all be ok.
    There are some elements of Critical Race Theory that are unobjectionable; there are others that are uncomfortable, but should be debated; and there are some that are just plain wrong. Not every proponent of CRT believes every tenet.

    As a general rule, those who defend it focus solely on the first, and those who seek to oppose it, only on the last.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,913
    Tres said:

    Leon said:

    Tres said:

    Why do you think teaching children about racism is disgusting?

    Because Critical Race Theory goes way way way beyond that, and teaches white kids that they should feel intrinsic shame and guilt just because they are white, because they benefit from white privilege and white people did terrible things, and, moreover, this guilt can never be expiated, never paid off, it is an indelible stain: you are evil and you must “do the work” of apology for your whiteness

    It is revolting psychological abuse. American parents are right to be fighting it. This alone could win the GOP the presidency. This is why it is so insane the Lefty Dems are pushing it
    Think you are projecting just a teensy weensy bit.
    I'd heard about it, but didn't know what Critical Race Theory meant. Here's what I discovered:

    "The word critical in its name is an academic term that refers to critical thinking, critical theory, and scholarly criticism, rather than criticizing or blaming people"
    "Academic critics of CRT argue it is based on storytelling instead of evidence and reason, rejects truth and merit, and opposes liberalism.[21] Since 2020, conservative U.S. lawmakers have sought to ban or restrict the instruction of CRT along with other anti‑racism education in primary and secondary schools,[9][22] as well as relevant training inside federal agencies.[23] Advocates of such bans argue that CRT is anti-American, villainizes White people, and indoctrinates children.[24] Advocates of such bans have been accused of misrepresenting the tenets and importance of CRT and of having the goal of broadly silencing discussions of racism, equality, social justice, and the history of race.[25][26]"
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,439
    Anyway, I'll be on holiday for 2 weeks from tomorrow so at least I won't be miffed during that time by @Leon "wish you were here" posts.

    Might be able to compete with a bit of my own too..
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663
    Boris Johnson has an 80 seat majority until Jan 2025. If he goes to the country he gambles that for two extra years, knowing if he ends up with fewer seats the party will get rid anyway.

    An election is unlikely IMO.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yougov. Would you prefer your children to study for a degree or do an apprenticeship?

    Degree 35%
    Apprenticeship 44%

    Remainers Degree 50%

    Leavers Apprenticeship 56%


    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1538115066200981505?s=20&t=VGA1FQQWBV_3HS6SnWXgbg

    An expensive higher education should be the exclusive right of the upper classes (whoever they may be). Isn't that right HYUFD?

    My view is, if three years reading for a non- vocational university degree is good enough for Boris Johnson, it is not too good for my children.
    I wonder how many of the numerous (final number tbc) Johnson sprogs will be applying for apprenticeships?
    When one of the Royals opts for an NVQ in Health and Social Care. That will be the measure of an equal opportunity society.
    The Queen was a mechanic in the War, Princess Margaret's son was a carpenter
    Mr Armstrong-Jones would be mortified to read that! He's a furniture designer and joiner.
    Since when have you not needed an apprenticeship to become a joiner?
    You said "carpenter". Which is something very different. And Mr A-J is a 'joiner' in the sense that the Chief of Defence Staff is a 'squaddie'.
    It’s rather ironic that you misname the protagonist in a post about using the right term.

    You refer to him as Mr Armstrong-Jones or “Mr A-J”

    He calls himself David Snowdon in his personal life, David Linley professionally and David, Earl of Snowdon on formal occasions
    Thank you! I thought that was his name - but obviously can't keep up.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    I told you all weeks ago, GE this year, he would have to go for it.

    I for one welcome it, let's get Labour in with the Lib Dems supporting. Back to boring, get rid of Johnson.

    Given up on winning already?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,156
    Evening all.

    Champagne / prosecco stopper report.

    I bought one of these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/AdHoc-FV35-Stopper-Champagne-Silicone/dp/B00C5SYN6W/

    ... because it adds less height to the bottle wrt fridge door space.

    Seems to work well over 2-3 days - the bottle 'pops' when reopened. But un/re-corking only works a couple of times, and seems better done just the once. And no sharp edges.

  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    In the last 24 hours on PB:

    The United States will split. (yet again)

    There will be a general election this year. (yet again)

    Neither are going to happen.

    When will the PB Bedwetters ever learn?

  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931
    rcs1000 said:

    algarkirk said:

    "One in 10 children in Britain have started self-harming – with many also having suicidal thoughts – as a consequence of the cost of living crisis, a new report has revealed."


    Is it possible this is false? Is it possible this is true?

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jun/18/children-stressed-and-self-harming-uk-cost-of-living-crisis-childhood-trust

    It is well known fact that not a single teenager had suicidal thoughts or self harmed prior to the cost of living crisis.
    After the covid pandemic, are we about to suffer a Munchausens Syndrome by Proxy pandemic?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Looks like qualifying might be wet.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,696
    darkage said:

    Tres said:

    Leon said:

    Tres said:

    Why do you think teaching children about racism is disgusting?

    Because Critical Race Theory goes way way way beyond that, and teaches white kids that they should feel intrinsic shame and guilt just because they are white, because they benefit from white privilege and white people did terrible things, and, moreover, this guilt can never be expiated, never paid off, it is an indelible stain: you are evil and you must “do the work” of apology for your whiteness

    It is revolting psychological abuse. American parents are right to be fighting it. This alone could win the GOP the presidency. This is why it is so insane the Lefty Dems are pushing it
    Think you are projecting just a teensy weensy bit.
    Leon is basically right, but the problem is not so much with Critical Race Theory, which has some academic credibility; but with how it is used. It forms the basis of a worldview that essentially tries to explain all injustice in human society through the failings of white people. It then tries to equate criticism of this worldview, with racism, thus making such criticism impossible. This is basically a political project, which is being rolled out in schools.

    These ideas are so stupid, and so prevalent, and never seem to correct themselves, that it just seems to be evidence that we are living in a weird era of unreason. I can see exactly why, were I to be living in the US, I would vote for Trump. Yes the Jan 6 stuff was insane, but so is this, and sometimes you just have to choose between different forms of insanity. The main problem is that people give the left such a free pass that they haven't even looked in to what is going on, they just think that because the people advocating these ideas are 'progressives', it must all be ok.
    No, this whole controversy has come out because GOP voters didn't like their children coming home from school and saying 'daddy that's racist'.
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    @SamRamani2
    BREAKING: Lithuania announces that its goods transit ban to Kaliningrad will take effect today


    https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1538174325886418944

    "Kaliningrad is the testicles of Russia. Every time I want Russia to scream, I squeeze on Kaliningrad!"
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