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failAlistair said:
I applaud your pedantically useless obsession with a completely randomly chosen time period. It adds to the tenor and tone of the debate.IshmaelZ said:
Absolutely fucking monumental fail because, yes, that is largely right, with various payoffs which have been explained to you. You might not like it but it is just how things were.Alistair said:
Yes, famously farmers upon seeing a fox would think "I could shoot this fucker worrying my livestock right now but I better leave it around for some wankers to chase in 3 months time".IshmaelZ said:
The genuinely rural realise that death and suffering among foxes has rocketed since the hunting act because people used to want there to be some foxes. Now they don't farmers and pheasant shoots splat them with nightsights by the dozen. The wounded ones die of gangrene because they don't lick their wounds (only tamed canids do)Alistair said:
Quality erasure of "genuinely rural people" who think fox hunting is a bag of shite.Nigel_Foremain said:
Well said. People who think fox hunting was cruel never bothered to read the burns report because they were far too consumed by their prejudice and general hatred of genuinely rural people that don't share their plastic view of the countryside.TOPPING said:
There is plenty of treatment of animals which people disagree over. Look at the cracking social media campaign that VFC is conducting right now.Carnyx said:
Allowing fox-hunting seems morally unsound to me on two grounds, but why should I be surprised at anything this administration does?noneoftheabove said:
Pritis 24 election manifesto will be led by the restoration of the death penalty, not just for cop killers but also random foxes.Dura_Ace said:
If Johnson loses both by-elections he'll have to go Full Tonto and offer a vote on fox hunting.Heathener said:Good piece on Johnson's 'red meat policy' lurch to the right:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/30/johnsons-red-meat-policy-proposals-are-telling-of-his-insecurity
"It is a moment often seen in the downward trajectory of embattled prime ministers: a whirl of new policy ideas intended to appeal to voters, but which are in fact more often aimed at placating their own MPs. Boris Johnson is, some would argue, approaching this point.
In recent days Downing Street has briefed in favour of grammar schools and imperial measurements. Earlier weeks saw forays into other Conservative comfort zones, including bashing the EU and talking up fossil fuels.
Such nostalgia politics is routinely promoted by Conservative backbenchers. But it is one of the paradoxes of Tory party politics that the more secure a prime minister is in office, the less they have to indulge these ideas."
a) Always look for any upper class/lower class differential in any 'morality'-driven regulation. Cf. divorce under the C of E of old (Scotland was a bit more sensible, not sure about Wales). In this case fox hunting is definitely toff territory, largely upper class/snobbish activity (albeit with quite a few prole followers) - but why allow nobby blood sports when banning working class ones such as cock fighting and bull baiting?
b) foxes obv don't like being hunted*, but cockerels are only too happy to have a scrap, like squaddies of different regiments in an Aldershot pub, so who's being unkind to whom?
*On empirical grounds. They run away. Cf. M. S. Dawkins's 1970s/1980s research on hens, which showed that they preferred not to live in a battery cage but in the more old fashioned alternative, simply by giving them the option.
One of the criteria to be applied to any activity, from riding ponies to foxhunting to keeping goldfish to having a domestic dog to having a dairy herd to zapping a fly should be - is it cruel.
And it was determined that foxhunting was not cruel.
That said, now is not the time to have a vote to bring back foxhunting. Not least because it would be defeated. Badly.
Or are you only genuinely rural if you think fox hunting is good?
I am sure a countryman like you knows all that. But hey, increased animal suffering Vs spiting the toffs...
Never seen anyone embarrass himself so badly on here. You are like a self proclaimed member of the cricketing community who thinks the game is played with an oval ball.
You can't even get the dates right. Hunting ends as lambing begins, and three months time is in midsummer.0 -
Wallace needs a bit of a perm, then he is the manager from Dilbert.IshmaelZ said:
Wallace should shave off his remaining hair. Much edgier and he needs to differentiate himself from IDSNickPalmer said:I'd think Hunt and Wallace appeal to the same "serious common sense" sector of the party, which is probably more represented in the Parliamentary party than the wider membership, who are more into "serious conservatism". So I'd have thought a Hunt vs Truss final was more likely than a Hunt vs Wallace one. But others here are better-placed to judge, eh?
Certainly betting on a VONC happening seems a strong option, but beware of Betfair's market on this - you're betting on whether the VONC succeeds, perhaps a more iffy proposition.
A new leader will certainly give a temporary bounce - lots of people like BigG and dyedwoolie are natural Conservatives who would return to the fold. But the situation is objectively difficult, so the new person will struggle to come up with bright new prospects. From that viewpoint, the Tories might be best off with a change next year, by which time the energy price spike may have unwound, giving the new leader an aura of miraculous success. Either way it does seem to me that the dominant public view is that the Conservatives have run out of steam, much as they felt about Labour in 2009-10.
Wallace vs Hunt seems a sensible choice.0 -
When I started driving petrol was 3/9p a gallonydoethur said:
At the moment petrol round here is £7.70 per gallon. Diesel would be over £8 a gallon.PJH said:
I'd be happy to see £7 per gallon. That would be a substantial discount on what I paid last night. £120 to fill up... Gulp!Heathener said:
Indeed.wooliedyed said:
Tbf Nick even my dislike of Labour is starting to feel like not enough regardless of what the Tories do for next time.NickPalmer said:I'd think Hunt and Wallace appeal to the same "serious common sense" sector of the party, which is probably more represented in the Parliamentary party than the wider membership, who are more into "serious conservatism". So I'd have thought a Hunt vs Truss final was more likely than a Hunt vs Wallace one. But others here are better-placed to judge, eh?
Certainly betting on a VONC happening seems a strong option, but beware of Betfair's market on this - you're betting on whether the VONC succeeds, perhaps a more iffy proposition.
A new leader will certainly give a temporary bounce - lots of people like BigG and dyedwoolie are natural Conservatives who would return to the fold. But the situation is objectively difficult, so the new person will struggle to come up with bright new prospects. From that viewpoint, the Tories might be best off with a change next year, by which time the energy price spike may have unwound, giving the new leader an aura of miraculous success. Either way it does seem to me that the dominant public view is that the Conservatives have run out of steam, much as they felt about Labour in 2009-10.
I quite like imperial measurements, so does my butcher for example, however bringing them back in some triumphant flag waving weirdness whilst we are mired in war, economic crisis and coming out of a really depressing 2 years makes the Cones Hotline look good politics.
The thing is, we already use a mixture of metric and imperial as it is. It may not be neat and tidy but we're used to it, from old to young. No one is suddenly going to be thrilled to see £7 a gallon petrol signs appearing.
If David Canzini, or whichever muppet dreamt this up, thinks it's going to fix Boris Johnson's popularity then they are stark raving bonkers. Or working for the Opposition.
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I think Charles will be a much better monarch starting in his seventies (or eighties..) then he would have been if he'd become King in his forties or fifties.Burgessian said:
I've been struck at the response in a Yorkshire village I know. Bunting everywhere and the high street to be closed for a street party. Obvs everyone is up for a celebration etc, and HMQ is v popular personally but, all the same, any serious attempt to do away the monarchy would be highly divisive. No sensible politician will go anywhere near it. And the succession is secured by William and Kate, even if Charles isn't so popular. This is really a non-issue.Nigel_Foremain said:
My view on it is the same as my view on leaving the EU. I am not massively in favour and not massively against. Nonetheless, it would be a totally unnecessary constitutional change, so the change and upheaval is pointless. The House of Lords on the other hand...kinabalu said:
It's not a massive issue for me but if perchance there was a Referendum on keeping the monarchy I think I'd vote No. That's a change of heart compared to say 10 years ago.HYUFD said:
62% of LD voters also want to keep the monarchy, significantly higher than the 43% of Labour voters who want to keep the monarchy even if not quite as high as the 86% of Conservative voters who want to keep the monarchykjh said:
You do know that Davey isn't god don't you. He doesn't decide LD policy.HYUFD said:
Absolutely not, Davey supports our constitutional monarchyCarnyx said:
Oh? Do the LDs want a republic?HYUFD said:
None of the 3 main party leaders now want to abolish the monarchy, nor is it even a priority for SF who just want to be governed by Dublin not LondonIshmaelZ said:
Our best hope there is: monarchy abolished, SF start taking seats, hold whip hand in minority government. In the meantime there's always the Emerald Isle. Begorrah.Dura_Ace said:
If Johnson loses both by-elections he'll have to go Full Tonto and offer a vote on fox hunting.Heathener said:Good piece on Johnson's 'red meat policy' lurch to the right:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/30/johnsons-red-meat-policy-proposals-are-telling-of-his-insecurity
"It is a moment often seen in the downward trajectory of embattled prime ministers: a whirl of new policy ideas intended to appeal to voters, but which are in fact more often aimed at placating their own MPs. Boris Johnson is, some would argue, approaching this point.
In recent days Downing Street has briefed in favour of grammar schools and imperial measurements. Earlier weeks saw forays into other Conservative comfort zones, including bashing the EU and talking up fossil fuels.
Such nostalgia politics is routinely promoted by Conservative backbenchers. But it is one of the paradoxes of Tory party politics that the more secure a prime minister is in office, the less they have to indulge these ideas."
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/05/21/young-britons-are-turning-their-backs-monarchy
The reason? Because the institution we have with its pomp and scale is really a hangover from our grand imperial past. It feels out of time now. More than this, it feels absurd and just a touch embarrassing. I get that feeling more than I do the rather heavier sense of it reinforcing white supremacy and class privilege. I also think it infantilizes us a bit. Along with the harmless and positive aspects it does that. Which is not a great thing esp when we have a PM doing the same albeit in a different way.
So, on balance with the monarchy, a la Duncan Bannatyne on Dragons Den - it's a No from me.
Republicans hoping that the popularity of the institution will inevitably take a serious dive under his leadership are likely to be disappointed.2 -
Bloody hell do I have to explain all my jokes I thought you lot were a sophisticated crowd.0
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Have got a Tesla Model Y on order which I have deferred back into Q3 whilst awaiting work stuff to become more clear. Moving car costs to pre tax from post tax makes a lot of sense. Only problem is that I am becoming more attached to my Outlander PHEV now that I've reserved its replacement.Nigel_Foremain said:
It is still about 1/3 of cost of petrol per mile even on a supercharger. Even less if charged on low rate economy 7 over night.ydoethur said:
With the price of electricity, that will soon cost £550 to fill up.Nigel_Foremain said:
Other than my Tesla, I can't think of a car I have had in the last 5 years that hasn't cost £120 to fill up lol.Peter_the_Punter said:
What do you drive, a chieftain tank?PJH said:
I'd be happy to see £7 per gallon. That would be a substantial discount on what I paid last night. £120 to fill up... Gulp!Heathener said:
Indeed.wooliedyed said:
Tbf Nick even my dislike of Labour is starting to feel like not enough regardless of what the Tories do for next time.NickPalmer said:I'd think Hunt and Wallace appeal to the same "serious common sense" sector of the party, which is probably more represented in the Parliamentary party than the wider membership, who are more into "serious conservatism". So I'd have thought a Hunt vs Truss final was more likely than a Hunt vs Wallace one. But others here are better-placed to judge, eh?
Certainly betting on a VONC happening seems a strong option, but beware of Betfair's market on this - you're betting on whether the VONC succeeds, perhaps a more iffy proposition.
A new leader will certainly give a temporary bounce - lots of people like BigG and dyedwoolie are natural Conservatives who would return to the fold. But the situation is objectively difficult, so the new person will struggle to come up with bright new prospects. From that viewpoint, the Tories might be best off with a change next year, by which time the energy price spike may have unwound, giving the new leader an aura of miraculous success. Either way it does seem to me that the dominant public view is that the Conservatives have run out of steam, much as they felt about Labour in 2009-10.
I quite like imperial measurements, so does my butcher for example, however bringing them back in some triumphant flag waving weirdness whilst we are mired in war, economic crisis and coming out of a really depressing 2 years makes the Cones Hotline look good politics.
The thing is, we already use a mixture of metric and imperial as it is. It may not be neat and tidy but we're used to it, from old to young. No one is suddenly going to be thrilled to see £7 a gallon petrol signs appearing.
If David Canzini, or whichever muppet dreamt this up, thinks it's going to fix Boris Johnson's popularity then they are stark raving bonkers. Or working for the Opposition.
Fuel costs are only one part of the total cost - and however great pence per mile may look at the moment on leccy vs dino juice, that equation will keep changing.0 -
4.546 l to you. Good for mental arithmetic.Peter_the_Punter said:
Gallons? What are they, forsooth?ydoethur said:
15 gallons? Doesn't sound unreasonable for a biggish road vehicle if the gauge was very low.Peter_the_Punter said:
What do you drive, a chieftain tank?PJH said:
I'd be happy to see £7 per gallon. That would be a substantial discount on what I paid last night. £120 to fill up... Gulp!Heathener said:
Indeed.wooliedyed said:
Tbf Nick even my dislike of Labour is starting to feel like not enough regardless of what the Tories do for next time.NickPalmer said:I'd think Hunt and Wallace appeal to the same "serious common sense" sector of the party, which is probably more represented in the Parliamentary party than the wider membership, who are more into "serious conservatism". So I'd have thought a Hunt vs Truss final was more likely than a Hunt vs Wallace one. But others here are better-placed to judge, eh?
Certainly betting on a VONC happening seems a strong option, but beware of Betfair's market on this - you're betting on whether the VONC succeeds, perhaps a more iffy proposition.
A new leader will certainly give a temporary bounce - lots of people like BigG and dyedwoolie are natural Conservatives who would return to the fold. But the situation is objectively difficult, so the new person will struggle to come up with bright new prospects. From that viewpoint, the Tories might be best off with a change next year, by which time the energy price spike may have unwound, giving the new leader an aura of miraculous success. Either way it does seem to me that the dominant public view is that the Conservatives have run out of steam, much as they felt about Labour in 2009-10.
I quite like imperial measurements, so does my butcher for example, however bringing them back in some triumphant flag waving weirdness whilst we are mired in war, economic crisis and coming out of a really depressing 2 years makes the Cones Hotline look good politics.
The thing is, we already use a mixture of metric and imperial as it is. It may not be neat and tidy but we're used to it, from old to young. No one is suddenly going to be thrilled to see £7 a gallon petrol signs appearing.
If David Canzini, or whichever muppet dreamt this up, thinks it's going to fix Boris Johnson's popularity then they are stark raving bonkers. Or working for the Opposition.0 -
Hulk ships for prisoners.Mexicanpete said:
That would work. Nonetheless, the icing on the populist cake has to be hanging traitors and nonces.edmundintokyo said:If you were Boris, you didn't care about anything except yourself, and it was obvious the fox hunting and the imperial units weren't going to do it for you, what would your next move be?
I think I'd dispatch the Royal Navy to the Black Sea, with instructions to sail there very slowly.
Now, what constitutes a traitor might be of debate. Fifty four letter writers might get a little nervous.0 -
It is true that e.g., Trinity College Cambridge has an endowment of 1.3 billion.Nigel_Foremain said:
Of course it is illogical. Oxbridge colleges are privately financed institutions that are absolute bastions of snobbery, class distinction, absurd anachronisms and extreme wealth. No socialist should cross their thresholds. But, yay, socialism always has its way of bending the rules. I would just call it hypocrisy though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is not in itself illogical - different funding systems, especially in the old days when people got proper student grants tout court.Nigel_Foremain said:
Many of the worst academic snobs I have come across boast of their "working class" credentials ad nauseum. The very left wing rant about the inequity of British private schooling while being unable to notice the absurdity of their position when they also drone on about how they went to Trinity College Cambridge.Carnyx said:
Not particularly! And I certainly wasn't selected for poshness.Nigel_Foremain said:
Surely you are at/attended an institution that falls into the latter category @Carnyx ?Carnyx said:
Some UK subjects might differ. They might quite like to be proper citizens instead of being expected to cringe to people who went to posh schools and posh unis.HYUFD said:
That is little different to the UK union, it is not a grand global imperial past like that of Britain or Germany or France or even a large European empire like that of Austria.OldKingCole said:
That wasn't the question, anyway. Denmark's main 'imperialism' might be a bit further back, although the sovereign of Denmark was also that of Iceland until 1944 or so, and Norway until 1905.HYUFD said:
Compared to the Spanish Empire, the Russian Empire, the French Empire, the British Empire, the German Empires or even the Italian and Austrian empires no it doesn't.Farooq said:
Wait, you think Denmark doesn't have an imperial past?HYUFD said:
We had a monarchy centuries before we had an Empire or even a Union, many nations without imperial pasts eg Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Jordan also have constitutional monarchieskinabalu said:
It's not a massive issue for me but if perchance there was a Referendum on keeping the monarchy I think I'd vote No. That's a change of heart compared to say 10 years ago.HYUFD said:
62% of LD voters also want to keep the monarchy, significantly higher than the 43% of Labour voters who want to keep the monarchy even if not quite as high as the 86% of Conservative voters who want to keep the monarchykjh said:
You do know that Davey isn't god don't you. He doesn't decide LD policy.HYUFD said:
Absolutely not, Davey supports our constitutional monarchyCarnyx said:
Oh? Do the LDs want a republic?HYUFD said:
None of the 3 main party leaders now want to abolish the monarchy, nor is it even a priority for SF who just want to be governed by Dublin not LondonIshmaelZ said:
Our best hope there is: monarchy abolished, SF start taking seats, hold whip hand in minority government. In the meantime there's always the Emerald Isle. Begorrah.Dura_Ace said:
If Johnson loses both by-elections he'll have to go Full Tonto and offer a vote on fox hunting.Heathener said:Good piece on Johnson's 'red meat policy' lurch to the right:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/30/johnsons-red-meat-policy-proposals-are-telling-of-his-insecurity
"It is a moment often seen in the downward trajectory of embattled prime ministers: a whirl of new policy ideas intended to appeal to voters, but which are in fact more often aimed at placating their own MPs. Boris Johnson is, some would argue, approaching this point.
In recent days Downing Street has briefed in favour of grammar schools and imperial measurements. Earlier weeks saw forays into other Conservative comfort zones, including bashing the EU and talking up fossil fuels.
Such nostalgia politics is routinely promoted by Conservative backbenchers. But it is one of the paradoxes of Tory party politics that the more secure a prime minister is in office, the less they have to indulge these ideas."
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/05/21/young-britons-are-turning-their-backs-monarchy
The reason? Because the institution we have with its pomp and scale is really a hangover from our grand imperial past. It feels out of time now. More than this, it feels absurd and just a touch embarrassing. I get that feeling more than I do the rather heavier sense of it reinforcing white supremacy and class privilege. I also think it infantilizes us a bit. Along with the harmless and positive aspects it does that. Which is not a great thing esp when we have a PM doing the same albeit in a different way.
So, on balance with the monarchy, a la Duncan Bannatyne on Dragons Den - it's a No from me.
Good god man, can you get ANYTHING right?
Most of those are republics
In 'early modern' times Sweden was very aggressive in Mid and Eastern Europe.
Certainly being a republican because of your nation's imperial past is ludicrous, France had a big imperial past and is a republic with an imperial presidency, see Bastille Day
But -- as you seem not to understand -- let me explain.
If a bright sixth-former is admitted as an undergraduate, they don't get to spend the 1.3 billion.1 -
LOL. My plan is (was) to upgrade to fully electric when my current car (diesel Mondeo) is life expired.TheScreamingEagles said:
Electric cars have never been more appealing.PJH said:
I'd be happy to see £7 per gallon. That would be a substantial discount on what I paid last night. £120 to fill up... Gulp!Heathener said:
Indeed.wooliedyed said:
Tbf Nick even my dislike of Labour is starting to feel like not enough regardless of what the Tories do for next time.NickPalmer said:I'd think Hunt and Wallace appeal to the same "serious common sense" sector of the party, which is probably more represented in the Parliamentary party than the wider membership, who are more into "serious conservatism". So I'd have thought a Hunt vs Truss final was more likely than a Hunt vs Wallace one. But others here are better-placed to judge, eh?
Certainly betting on a VONC happening seems a strong option, but beware of Betfair's market on this - you're betting on whether the VONC succeeds, perhaps a more iffy proposition.
A new leader will certainly give a temporary bounce - lots of people like BigG and dyedwoolie are natural Conservatives who would return to the fold. But the situation is objectively difficult, so the new person will struggle to come up with bright new prospects. From that viewpoint, the Tories might be best off with a change next year, by which time the energy price spike may have unwound, giving the new leader an aura of miraculous success. Either way it does seem to me that the dominant public view is that the Conservatives have run out of steam, much as they felt about Labour in 2009-10.
I quite like imperial measurements, so does my butcher for example, however bringing them back in some triumphant flag waving weirdness whilst we are mired in war, economic crisis and coming out of a really depressing 2 years makes the Cones Hotline look good politics.
The thing is, we already use a mixture of metric and imperial as it is. It may not be neat and tidy but we're used to it, from old to young. No one is suddenly going to be thrilled to see £7 a gallon petrol signs appearing.
If David Canzini, or whichever muppet dreamt this up, thinks it's going to fix Boris Johnson's popularity then they are stark raving bonkers. Or working for the Opposition.
Last night the girlfriend asked me to take her somewhere really expensive for dinner.
Unfortunately Sadiq Khan wants to bring this about 4 years early but I will need the full 5 years to save up for one. Not sure what I'm going to do in the interim as I buy cars new and run them until they fall apart and I don't have much spare money right now so couldn't even buy anything decent second hand. Uber and hiring as required, I guess.0 -
OT Anyone still doubt Brexit is a disaster?
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It was the BIK that sold it to me. That and the absurd acceleration! It is also very good to drive, and in spite of what the plonkerish CEO of BMW said, easily as good as any of the German cars I have had.RochdalePioneers said:
Have got a Tesla Model Y on order which I have deferred back into Q3 whilst awaiting work stuff to become more clear. Moving car costs to pre tax from post tax makes a lot of sense. Only problem is that I am becoming more attached to my Outlander PHEV now that I've reserved its replacement.Nigel_Foremain said:
It is still about 1/3 of cost of petrol per mile even on a supercharger. Even less if charged on low rate economy 7 over night.ydoethur said:
With the price of electricity, that will soon cost £550 to fill up.Nigel_Foremain said:
Other than my Tesla, I can't think of a car I have had in the last 5 years that hasn't cost £120 to fill up lol.Peter_the_Punter said:
What do you drive, a chieftain tank?PJH said:
I'd be happy to see £7 per gallon. That would be a substantial discount on what I paid last night. £120 to fill up... Gulp!Heathener said:
Indeed.wooliedyed said:
Tbf Nick even my dislike of Labour is starting to feel like not enough regardless of what the Tories do for next time.NickPalmer said:I'd think Hunt and Wallace appeal to the same "serious common sense" sector of the party, which is probably more represented in the Parliamentary party than the wider membership, who are more into "serious conservatism". So I'd have thought a Hunt vs Truss final was more likely than a Hunt vs Wallace one. But others here are better-placed to judge, eh?
Certainly betting on a VONC happening seems a strong option, but beware of Betfair's market on this - you're betting on whether the VONC succeeds, perhaps a more iffy proposition.
A new leader will certainly give a temporary bounce - lots of people like BigG and dyedwoolie are natural Conservatives who would return to the fold. But the situation is objectively difficult, so the new person will struggle to come up with bright new prospects. From that viewpoint, the Tories might be best off with a change next year, by which time the energy price spike may have unwound, giving the new leader an aura of miraculous success. Either way it does seem to me that the dominant public view is that the Conservatives have run out of steam, much as they felt about Labour in 2009-10.
I quite like imperial measurements, so does my butcher for example, however bringing them back in some triumphant flag waving weirdness whilst we are mired in war, economic crisis and coming out of a really depressing 2 years makes the Cones Hotline look good politics.
The thing is, we already use a mixture of metric and imperial as it is. It may not be neat and tidy but we're used to it, from old to young. No one is suddenly going to be thrilled to see £7 a gallon petrol signs appearing.
If David Canzini, or whichever muppet dreamt this up, thinks it's going to fix Boris Johnson's popularity then they are stark raving bonkers. Or working for the Opposition.
Fuel costs are only one part of the total cost - and however great pence per mile may look at the moment on leccy vs dino juice, that equation will keep changing.1 -
If I'd said 5 months would that have worked better for you?IshmaelZ said:
failAlistair said:
I applaud your pedantically useless obsession with a completely randomly chosen time period. It adds to the tenor and tone of the debate.IshmaelZ said:
Absolutely fucking monumental fail because, yes, that is largely right, with various payoffs which have been explained to you. You might not like it but it is just how things were.Alistair said:
Yes, famously farmers upon seeing a fox would think "I could shoot this fucker worrying my livestock right now but I better leave it around for some wankers to chase in 3 months time".IshmaelZ said:
The genuinely rural realise that death and suffering among foxes has rocketed since the hunting act because people used to want there to be some foxes. Now they don't farmers and pheasant shoots splat them with nightsights by the dozen. The wounded ones die of gangrene because they don't lick their wounds (only tamed canids do)Alistair said:
Quality erasure of "genuinely rural people" who think fox hunting is a bag of shite.Nigel_Foremain said:
Well said. People who think fox hunting was cruel never bothered to read the burns report because they were far too consumed by their prejudice and general hatred of genuinely rural people that don't share their plastic view of the countryside.TOPPING said:
There is plenty of treatment of animals which people disagree over. Look at the cracking social media campaign that VFC is conducting right now.Carnyx said:
Allowing fox-hunting seems morally unsound to me on two grounds, but why should I be surprised at anything this administration does?noneoftheabove said:
Pritis 24 election manifesto will be led by the restoration of the death penalty, not just for cop killers but also random foxes.Dura_Ace said:
If Johnson loses both by-elections he'll have to go Full Tonto and offer a vote on fox hunting.Heathener said:Good piece on Johnson's 'red meat policy' lurch to the right:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/30/johnsons-red-meat-policy-proposals-are-telling-of-his-insecurity
"It is a moment often seen in the downward trajectory of embattled prime ministers: a whirl of new policy ideas intended to appeal to voters, but which are in fact more often aimed at placating their own MPs. Boris Johnson is, some would argue, approaching this point.
In recent days Downing Street has briefed in favour of grammar schools and imperial measurements. Earlier weeks saw forays into other Conservative comfort zones, including bashing the EU and talking up fossil fuels.
Such nostalgia politics is routinely promoted by Conservative backbenchers. But it is one of the paradoxes of Tory party politics that the more secure a prime minister is in office, the less they have to indulge these ideas."
a) Always look for any upper class/lower class differential in any 'morality'-driven regulation. Cf. divorce under the C of E of old (Scotland was a bit more sensible, not sure about Wales). In this case fox hunting is definitely toff territory, largely upper class/snobbish activity (albeit with quite a few prole followers) - but why allow nobby blood sports when banning working class ones such as cock fighting and bull baiting?
b) foxes obv don't like being hunted*, but cockerels are only too happy to have a scrap, like squaddies of different regiments in an Aldershot pub, so who's being unkind to whom?
*On empirical grounds. They run away. Cf. M. S. Dawkins's 1970s/1980s research on hens, which showed that they preferred not to live in a battery cage but in the more old fashioned alternative, simply by giving them the option.
One of the criteria to be applied to any activity, from riding ponies to foxhunting to keeping goldfish to having a domestic dog to having a dairy herd to zapping a fly should be - is it cruel.
And it was determined that foxhunting was not cruel.
That said, now is not the time to have a vote to bring back foxhunting. Not least because it would be defeated. Badly.
Or are you only genuinely rural if you think fox hunting is good?
I am sure a countryman like you knows all that. But hey, increased animal suffering Vs spiting the toffs...
Never seen anyone embarrass himself so badly on here. You are like a self proclaimed member of the cricketing community who thinks the game is played with an oval ball.
You can't even get the dates right. Hunting ends as lambing begins, and three months time is in midsummer.0 -
Mondeo diesel. Tank was a bit emptier than usual but I've never paid above £80ish before.ydoethur said:
15 gallons? Doesn't sound unreasonable for a biggish road vehicle if the gauge was very low.Peter_the_Punter said:
What do you drive, a chieftain tank?PJH said:
I'd be happy to see £7 per gallon. That would be a substantial discount on what I paid last night. £120 to fill up... Gulp!Heathener said:
Indeed.wooliedyed said:
Tbf Nick even my dislike of Labour is starting to feel like not enough regardless of what the Tories do for next time.NickPalmer said:I'd think Hunt and Wallace appeal to the same "serious common sense" sector of the party, which is probably more represented in the Parliamentary party than the wider membership, who are more into "serious conservatism". So I'd have thought a Hunt vs Truss final was more likely than a Hunt vs Wallace one. But others here are better-placed to judge, eh?
Certainly betting on a VONC happening seems a strong option, but beware of Betfair's market on this - you're betting on whether the VONC succeeds, perhaps a more iffy proposition.
A new leader will certainly give a temporary bounce - lots of people like BigG and dyedwoolie are natural Conservatives who would return to the fold. But the situation is objectively difficult, so the new person will struggle to come up with bright new prospects. From that viewpoint, the Tories might be best off with a change next year, by which time the energy price spike may have unwound, giving the new leader an aura of miraculous success. Either way it does seem to me that the dominant public view is that the Conservatives have run out of steam, much as they felt about Labour in 2009-10.
I quite like imperial measurements, so does my butcher for example, however bringing them back in some triumphant flag waving weirdness whilst we are mired in war, economic crisis and coming out of a really depressing 2 years makes the Cones Hotline look good politics.
The thing is, we already use a mixture of metric and imperial as it is. It may not be neat and tidy but we're used to it, from old to young. No one is suddenly going to be thrilled to see £7 a gallon petrol signs appearing.
If David Canzini, or whichever muppet dreamt this up, thinks it's going to fix Boris Johnson's popularity then they are stark raving bonkers. Or working for the Opposition.0 -
Archer class Patrol Boats - S/Lt (Acting) Mordaunt has some experience with these from her time in the M*** Fleet so there's our CinC.MattW said:
Turkey would probably not let them in under Montreux.edmundintokyo said:If you were Boris, you didn't care about anything except yourself, and it was obvious the fox hunting and the imperial units weren't going to do it for you, what would your next move be?
I think I'd dispatch the Royal Navy to the Black Sea, with instructions to sail there very slowly.
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Up the Rhine at Rotterdam, through the Rhine-Main-Danube Canal then down the Danube to Odessa for the liberation of Snake Island and the greater glory of Global Britain.0 -
On topic:
This seems to be the basis of the ConHome poll:
Edited
https://twitter.com/987_charles/status/1531402146859581440
Not clear whether it is statistically matched.
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Regardless of current polling in 2024 there will be people who will only come out and vote Tory if Johnson is the leader and there are people who will not vote Tory if Johnson is leader.Stocky said:
What's your gut feel on this? I'm about 75% lose, 25% win.kinabalu said:
But will he lose a conf vote if it happens?Slackbladder said:
If the tories want to win the next election, the time to act is now.Scott_xP said:William Hague reacts to @andrealeadsom joining the list of MPs calling for Boris Johnson to quit:
"the fuse is getting closer to the dynamite here and it's speeding up....the Conservative Party is moving faster towards a vote of confidence or no confidence." @TimesRadio
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1531565273622499329
The cabinet need a good sweeping out and a roll of the dice for replacements. Rees-Mogg, Patel, Dorries, all need to be ditched.
Tory MPs will have to make a call on which is the larger group. If the letters go in I think your odds on a VONC are about right.1 -
I think if I don't understand then you are completely fucked. The point I was making was about snobbery dim wit. The hypocrisy of those that oppose private education who then bang on about how they went to the most snobbish institution in the world. That obvious enough for you?YBarddCwsc said:
It is true that e.g., Trinity College Cambridge has an endowment of 1.3 billion.Nigel_Foremain said:
Of course it is illogical. Oxbridge colleges are privately financed institutions that are absolute bastions of snobbery, class distinction, absurd anachronisms and extreme wealth. No socialist should cross their thresholds. But, yay, socialism always has its way of bending the rules. I would just call it hypocrisy though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is not in itself illogical - different funding systems, especially in the old days when people got proper student grants tout court.Nigel_Foremain said:
Many of the worst academic snobs I have come across boast of their "working class" credentials ad nauseum. The very left wing rant about the inequity of British private schooling while being unable to notice the absurdity of their position when they also drone on about how they went to Trinity College Cambridge.Carnyx said:
Not particularly! And I certainly wasn't selected for poshness.Nigel_Foremain said:
Surely you are at/attended an institution that falls into the latter category @Carnyx ?Carnyx said:
Some UK subjects might differ. They might quite like to be proper citizens instead of being expected to cringe to people who went to posh schools and posh unis.HYUFD said:
That is little different to the UK union, it is not a grand global imperial past like that of Britain or Germany or France or even a large European empire like that of Austria.OldKingCole said:
That wasn't the question, anyway. Denmark's main 'imperialism' might be a bit further back, although the sovereign of Denmark was also that of Iceland until 1944 or so, and Norway until 1905.HYUFD said:
Compared to the Spanish Empire, the Russian Empire, the French Empire, the British Empire, the German Empires or even the Italian and Austrian empires no it doesn't.Farooq said:
Wait, you think Denmark doesn't have an imperial past?HYUFD said:
We had a monarchy centuries before we had an Empire or even a Union, many nations without imperial pasts eg Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Jordan also have constitutional monarchieskinabalu said:
It's not a massive issue for me but if perchance there was a Referendum on keeping the monarchy I think I'd vote No. That's a change of heart compared to say 10 years ago.HYUFD said:
62% of LD voters also want to keep the monarchy, significantly higher than the 43% of Labour voters who want to keep the monarchy even if not quite as high as the 86% of Conservative voters who want to keep the monarchykjh said:
You do know that Davey isn't god don't you. He doesn't decide LD policy.HYUFD said:
Absolutely not, Davey supports our constitutional monarchyCarnyx said:
Oh? Do the LDs want a republic?HYUFD said:
None of the 3 main party leaders now want to abolish the monarchy, nor is it even a priority for SF who just want to be governed by Dublin not LondonIshmaelZ said:
Our best hope there is: monarchy abolished, SF start taking seats, hold whip hand in minority government. In the meantime there's always the Emerald Isle. Begorrah.Dura_Ace said:
If Johnson loses both by-elections he'll have to go Full Tonto and offer a vote on fox hunting.Heathener said:Good piece on Johnson's 'red meat policy' lurch to the right:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/30/johnsons-red-meat-policy-proposals-are-telling-of-his-insecurity
"It is a moment often seen in the downward trajectory of embattled prime ministers: a whirl of new policy ideas intended to appeal to voters, but which are in fact more often aimed at placating their own MPs. Boris Johnson is, some would argue, approaching this point.
In recent days Downing Street has briefed in favour of grammar schools and imperial measurements. Earlier weeks saw forays into other Conservative comfort zones, including bashing the EU and talking up fossil fuels.
Such nostalgia politics is routinely promoted by Conservative backbenchers. But it is one of the paradoxes of Tory party politics that the more secure a prime minister is in office, the less they have to indulge these ideas."
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/05/21/young-britons-are-turning-their-backs-monarchy
The reason? Because the institution we have with its pomp and scale is really a hangover from our grand imperial past. It feels out of time now. More than this, it feels absurd and just a touch embarrassing. I get that feeling more than I do the rather heavier sense of it reinforcing white supremacy and class privilege. I also think it infantilizes us a bit. Along with the harmless and positive aspects it does that. Which is not a great thing esp when we have a PM doing the same albeit in a different way.
So, on balance with the monarchy, a la Duncan Bannatyne on Dragons Den - it's a No from me.
Good god man, can you get ANYTHING right?
Most of those are republics
In 'early modern' times Sweden was very aggressive in Mid and Eastern Europe.
Certainly being a republican because of your nation's imperial past is ludicrous, France had a big imperial past and is a republic with an imperial presidency, see Bastille Day
But -- as you seem not to understand -- let me explain.
If a bright sixth-former is admitted as an undergraduate, they don't get to spend the 1.3 billion.0 -
On Royalty my in laws worked for the British council (a fine but now neglected institution) and as a result had a few brushes with Royalty over the years. Some fairly awful experiences with Princess Margaret although such tales are legion.
One that stands out was the Queen deploying extreme sarcasm when after walking into a room she found one member of the assembly leaning on a mantlepiece rather than standing up straight for her 'Oh dear have you hurt your back?'
I don't think that sort of thing is going to be a runner in the 21st century (once QE2 has left us) so if they want to survive they will need to be thinking clearly about what Monarchy will look like. I think support for them is wide but shallow.1 -
We went from being a three car house to a two car house because in April 2020 my lease ran out and there was no point getting a new car then.PJH said:LOL. My plan is (was) to upgrade to fully electric when my current car (diesel Mondeo) is life expired.
Unfortunately Sadiq Khan wants to bring this about 4 years early but I will need the full 5 years to save up for one. Not sure what I'm going to do in the interim as I buy cars new and run them until they fall apart and I don't have much spare money right now so couldn't even buy anything decent second hand. Uber and hiring as required, I guess.
Have you considered something like Cazoo?
https://www.cazoo.co.uk/car-subscription/0 -
Oh!! This is massive n'est pas?
Steven Swinford
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There’s a myth doing rounds that once Brady has got letters to trigger a vote he goes back to each Tory MP to check with them
This is untrue - when threshold is crossed vote it triggered
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That's a cracking interview.Burgessian said:Apols if already posted, but this is a fascinating interview.
https://unherd.com/2022/05/dominic-cummings-i-dont-like-parties/
Dominic Cummings with Suzanne Moore.
She asks all the questions you would want answering.
(Precis: Basically, it's all Carrie's fault.)0 -
I'd be amazed if it was said sarcastically. Better story if it was, that said.mr-claypole said:On Royalty my in laws worked for the British council (a fine but now neglected institution) and as a result had a few brushes with Royalty over the years. Some fairly awful experiences with Princess Margaret although such tales are legion.
One that stands out was the Queen deploying extreme sarcasm when after walking into a room she found one member of the assembly leaning on a mantlepiece rather than standing up straight for her 'Oh dear have you hurt your back?'
I don't think that sort of thing is going to be a runner in the 21st century (once QE2 has left us) so if they want to survive they will need to be thinking clearly about what Monarchy will look like. I think support for them is wide but shallow.0 -
The margin of error on that poll/sample size is 3.35.MattW said:On topic:
This seems to be the basis of the ConHome poll:
Edited
https://twitter.com/987_charles/status/1531402146859581440
Not clear whether it is statistically matched.0 -
I don't think people understand until they drive an electric car.Nigel_Foremain said:
It was the BIK that sold it to me. That and the absurd acceleration! It is also very good to drive, and in spite of what the plonkerish CEO of BMW said, easily as good as any of the German cars I have had.RochdalePioneers said:
Have got a Tesla Model Y on order which I have deferred back into Q3 whilst awaiting work stuff to become more clear. Moving car costs to pre tax from post tax makes a lot of sense. Only problem is that I am becoming more attached to my Outlander PHEV now that I've reserved its replacement.Nigel_Foremain said:
It is still about 1/3 of cost of petrol per mile even on a supercharger. Even less if charged on low rate economy 7 over night.ydoethur said:
With the price of electricity, that will soon cost £550 to fill up.Nigel_Foremain said:
Other than my Tesla, I can't think of a car I have had in the last 5 years that hasn't cost £120 to fill up lol.Peter_the_Punter said:
What do you drive, a chieftain tank?PJH said:
I'd be happy to see £7 per gallon. That would be a substantial discount on what I paid last night. £120 to fill up... Gulp!Heathener said:
Indeed.wooliedyed said:
Tbf Nick even my dislike of Labour is starting to feel like not enough regardless of what the Tories do for next time.NickPalmer said:I'd think Hunt and Wallace appeal to the same "serious common sense" sector of the party, which is probably more represented in the Parliamentary party than the wider membership, who are more into "serious conservatism". So I'd have thought a Hunt vs Truss final was more likely than a Hunt vs Wallace one. But others here are better-placed to judge, eh?
Certainly betting on a VONC happening seems a strong option, but beware of Betfair's market on this - you're betting on whether the VONC succeeds, perhaps a more iffy proposition.
A new leader will certainly give a temporary bounce - lots of people like BigG and dyedwoolie are natural Conservatives who would return to the fold. But the situation is objectively difficult, so the new person will struggle to come up with bright new prospects. From that viewpoint, the Tories might be best off with a change next year, by which time the energy price spike may have unwound, giving the new leader an aura of miraculous success. Either way it does seem to me that the dominant public view is that the Conservatives have run out of steam, much as they felt about Labour in 2009-10.
I quite like imperial measurements, so does my butcher for example, however bringing them back in some triumphant flag waving weirdness whilst we are mired in war, economic crisis and coming out of a really depressing 2 years makes the Cones Hotline look good politics.
The thing is, we already use a mixture of metric and imperial as it is. It may not be neat and tidy but we're used to it, from old to young. No one is suddenly going to be thrilled to see £7 a gallon petrol signs appearing.
If David Canzini, or whichever muppet dreamt this up, thinks it's going to fix Boris Johnson's popularity then they are stark raving bonkers. Or working for the Opposition.
Fuel costs are only one part of the total cost - and however great pence per mile may look at the moment on leccy vs dino juice, that equation will keep changing.
There is no gearbox. You are always in the right gear with 100% of power available at all times instantly. You are driving a vehicle with a low centre of gravity which means it holds the roll better than a car without a battery pack in the floor.
When wanging it down your favourite driving road you have this new trick of mid-corner regen. A fossil car might suffer from lift-off oversteer, whereas an EV mid-corner liftoff rebalances the car through regen and helps you corner harder.
Much as I loved my Volvo S90, the return to both diseasal and a torque-converter gearbox was something I never really got used to. So when it went and got replaced by another PHEV the relief was instant.0 -
Thanks - yes it's worth thinking about something like that.TheScreamingEagles said:
We went from being a three car house to a two car house because in April 2020 my lease ran out and there was no point getting a new car then.PJH said:LOL. My plan is (was) to upgrade to fully electric when my current car (diesel Mondeo) is life expired.
Unfortunately Sadiq Khan wants to bring this about 4 years early but I will need the full 5 years to save up for one. Not sure what I'm going to do in the interim as I buy cars new and run them until they fall apart and I don't have much spare money right now so couldn't even buy anything decent second hand. Uber and hiring as required, I guess.
Have you considered something like Cazoo?
https://www.cazoo.co.uk/car-subscription/0 -
I am shocked. Shocked that DB have been accused of badness.
Deutsche Bank AG and its asset management unit had their Frankfurt offices raided by police, adding to the legal headaches facing Germany’s largest lender.
Law enforcement officials on Tuesday morning entered the twin towers where Germany’s largest lender is headquartered, as well as the nearby premises of DWS Group, according to a statement from the prosecutor that confirmed an earlier Bloomberg report. The search is related to accusations of greenwashing against the asset manager.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-31/deutsche-bank-s-dws-unit-raided-amid-allegations-of-greenwashing1 -
St Denis is far worse than Brixton or streatham. There isn’t really an equivalent in London, not even Tottenham - it’s not just the deprivation, there is a seething hatred of the authorities and police, all of it mixed in a toxic, lawless brew of Islamism and radicalismBenpointer said:
Bit harsh on Brixton and Streatham!Sandpit said:
The French decided to take the equivalent of a random 150m x 100m piece of land between Brixton and Streatham, and put the national stadium there, with no other improvements to the area, making sure that all the stadium’s visitors would have to park in or walk through the dodgiest part of the city to get there.dixiedean said:
Indeed. Stratford was hardly a desirable location when we built ours.Sandpit said:
It made no sense at all to build the stadium where they did, without also clearing the slums actively regenerating the whole area around it.Leon said:
Why they built the French national stadium in - literally - the worst, most dangerous part of France - is quite the mystery. I guess they hoped it would boost the area?MattW said:
And the Spanish media is filled with similar accounts of chaos and mugging gangs.Leon said:
The French public and media are not buying the minister’s feeble diversions, however. He’s getting fierce criticism from Left and Right. The Left are blaming the government and police, the Right are blaming the scum of the suburbs, and the socialists that try to excuse themboulay said:
Rugby World Cup there first. Saturday will ultimately save France from a worse bashing - they will throw everything at it to ensure nothing like it happens during the World Cup - I imagine the police will be ringing the whole area to avoid the mugging etc rather than focussing onwards on the fans.tlg86 said:
The Olympic Games will be fun in 2024.Leon said:An authoritative account of the Disaster of St Denis
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/31/champions-league-paris-final-fiasco-triggers-hillsborough-survivor-trauma?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
What strikes me is the pathetic inertia and complacency of the UEFA and FIFA officials, even when told of the horrible chaos outside the stadium, going on there and then. Shameful
If that sort of behaviour happened at the World Cup then it would point to the police/authorities but if they do everything to avoid it they will no doubt say “see, we told you it was those naughty Liverpool fans”.
I see the French sports minister has doubled down blaming it on Liverpool “letting their fans out into the wild”. If that’s the case they seem to have encountered the savages of St Denis on this safari. Who knew that the suburbs of Paris were the “wilds”?
Virtually no one - in France - is blaming the Liverpool fans. Across all the newspapers it is “France wins the trophy for incompetence “ or “France is humiliated on the world stage”. They are taking it seriously and it is still front page news
Must be quite a shock for Macron and friends that the strategy of "1) Blame the Brits" followed by "2) Lie your heads off" has stopped working.
Even France 24 are calling them out on it.
I think the thing that will hurt is questions about whether this will happen at the 2024 Olympics. eg Will anybody standing in a queue or presenting a ticket at a turnstyle at Paris 2024 be at risk of random assault by Police Officers with Pepper Spray, and how will such police officers be held to account.
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With reference to your earlier comment: My definition of "genuine rural people" is a simple one. It is defined for me as someone who either makes their living from the land (farming etc.) or is related in some way to those that do. A vegetarian social worker who moved to a pretty village near Tunbridge Wells would not fit my category.Alistair said:
If I'd said 5 months would that have worked better for you?IshmaelZ said:
failAlistair said:
I applaud your pedantically useless obsession with a completely randomly chosen time period. It adds to the tenor and tone of the debate.IshmaelZ said:
Absolutely fucking monumental fail because, yes, that is largely right, with various payoffs which have been explained to you. You might not like it but it is just how things were.Alistair said:
Yes, famously farmers upon seeing a fox would think "I could shoot this fucker worrying my livestock right now but I better leave it around for some wankers to chase in 3 months time".IshmaelZ said:
The genuinely rural realise that death and suffering among foxes has rocketed since the hunting act because people used to want there to be some foxes. Now they don't farmers and pheasant shoots splat them with nightsights by the dozen. The wounded ones die of gangrene because they don't lick their wounds (only tamed canids do)Alistair said:
Quality erasure of "genuinely rural people" who think fox hunting is a bag of shite.Nigel_Foremain said:
Well said. People who think fox hunting was cruel never bothered to read the burns report because they were far too consumed by their prejudice and general hatred of genuinely rural people that don't share their plastic view of the countryside.TOPPING said:
There is plenty of treatment of animals which people disagree over. Look at the cracking social media campaign that VFC is conducting right now.Carnyx said:
Allowing fox-hunting seems morally unsound to me on two grounds, but why should I be surprised at anything this administration does?noneoftheabove said:
Pritis 24 election manifesto will be led by the restoration of the death penalty, not just for cop killers but also random foxes.Dura_Ace said:
If Johnson loses both by-elections he'll have to go Full Tonto and offer a vote on fox hunting.Heathener said:Good piece on Johnson's 'red meat policy' lurch to the right:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/30/johnsons-red-meat-policy-proposals-are-telling-of-his-insecurity
"It is a moment often seen in the downward trajectory of embattled prime ministers: a whirl of new policy ideas intended to appeal to voters, but which are in fact more often aimed at placating their own MPs. Boris Johnson is, some would argue, approaching this point.
In recent days Downing Street has briefed in favour of grammar schools and imperial measurements. Earlier weeks saw forays into other Conservative comfort zones, including bashing the EU and talking up fossil fuels.
Such nostalgia politics is routinely promoted by Conservative backbenchers. But it is one of the paradoxes of Tory party politics that the more secure a prime minister is in office, the less they have to indulge these ideas."
a) Always look for any upper class/lower class differential in any 'morality'-driven regulation. Cf. divorce under the C of E of old (Scotland was a bit more sensible, not sure about Wales). In this case fox hunting is definitely toff territory, largely upper class/snobbish activity (albeit with quite a few prole followers) - but why allow nobby blood sports when banning working class ones such as cock fighting and bull baiting?
b) foxes obv don't like being hunted*, but cockerels are only too happy to have a scrap, like squaddies of different regiments in an Aldershot pub, so who's being unkind to whom?
*On empirical grounds. They run away. Cf. M. S. Dawkins's 1970s/1980s research on hens, which showed that they preferred not to live in a battery cage but in the more old fashioned alternative, simply by giving them the option.
One of the criteria to be applied to any activity, from riding ponies to foxhunting to keeping goldfish to having a domestic dog to having a dairy herd to zapping a fly should be - is it cruel.
And it was determined that foxhunting was not cruel.
That said, now is not the time to have a vote to bring back foxhunting. Not least because it would be defeated. Badly.
Or are you only genuinely rural if you think fox hunting is good?
I am sure a countryman like you knows all that. But hey, increased animal suffering Vs spiting the toffs...
Never seen anyone embarrass himself so badly on here. You are like a self proclaimed member of the cricketing community who thinks the game is played with an oval ball.
You can't even get the dates right. Hunting ends as lambing begins, and three months time is in midsummer.0 -
This of course is the interesting point. To old timers like me who are used to buying their cars outright it is a bonkers world of everyone "buying cars" on the never never. Explains a lot in terms of people driving around in Range Rover Evoques but it is unnerving.TheScreamingEagles said:
We went from being a three car house to a two car house because in April 2020 my lease ran out and there was no point getting a new car then.PJH said:LOL. My plan is (was) to upgrade to fully electric when my current car (diesel Mondeo) is life expired.
Unfortunately Sadiq Khan wants to bring this about 4 years early but I will need the full 5 years to save up for one. Not sure what I'm going to do in the interim as I buy cars new and run them until they fall apart and I don't have much spare money right now so couldn't even buy anything decent second hand. Uber and hiring as required, I guess.1 -
Julian Jessop 🇬🇧 🇺🇦
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Another reason why the UK economy should avoid a #recession...
This morning's Bank of England money and credit data confirm that the household sector as a whole (not everyone, of course) still has plenty of excess savings accumulated during the pandemic 👇
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When anyone on here mentions DB, I assume they are talking about the railways!TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked. Shocked that DB have been accused of badness.
Deutsche Bank AG and its asset management unit had their Frankfurt offices raided by police, adding to the legal headaches facing Germany’s largest lender.
Law enforcement officials on Tuesday morning entered the twin towers where Germany’s largest lender is headquartered, as well as the nearby premises of DWS Group, according to a statement from the prosecutor that confirmed an earlier Bloomberg report. The search is related to accusations of greenwashing against the asset manager.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-31/deutsche-bank-s-dws-unit-raided-amid-allegations-of-greenwashing2 -
look, just leave it. There is nothing particularly meritorious about being a countryman (I have always had some sympathy for Marx's remark about "the imbecility of rural life") but you aren't one. You are like someone claiming to be bilingual in French who can't immediately find the word for cheese in that language.Alistair said:
If I'd said 5 months would that have worked better for you?IshmaelZ said:
failAlistair said:
I applaud your pedantically useless obsession with a completely randomly chosen time period. It adds to the tenor and tone of the debate.IshmaelZ said:
Absolutely fucking monumental fail because, yes, that is largely right, with various payoffs which have been explained to you. You might not like it but it is just how things were.Alistair said:
Yes, famously farmers upon seeing a fox would think "I could shoot this fucker worrying my livestock right now but I better leave it around for some wankers to chase in 3 months time".IshmaelZ said:
The genuinely rural realise that death and suffering among foxes has rocketed since the hunting act because people used to want there to be some foxes. Now they don't farmers and pheasant shoots splat them with nightsights by the dozen. The wounded ones die of gangrene because they don't lick their wounds (only tamed canids do)Alistair said:
Quality erasure of "genuinely rural people" who think fox hunting is a bag of shite.Nigel_Foremain said:
Well said. People who think fox hunting was cruel never bothered to read the burns report because they were far too consumed by their prejudice and general hatred of genuinely rural people that don't share their plastic view of the countryside.TOPPING said:
There is plenty of treatment of animals which people disagree over. Look at the cracking social media campaign that VFC is conducting right now.Carnyx said:
Allowing fox-hunting seems morally unsound to me on two grounds, but why should I be surprised at anything this administration does?noneoftheabove said:
Pritis 24 election manifesto will be led by the restoration of the death penalty, not just for cop killers but also random foxes.Dura_Ace said:
If Johnson loses both by-elections he'll have to go Full Tonto and offer a vote on fox hunting.Heathener said:Good piece on Johnson's 'red meat policy' lurch to the right:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/30/johnsons-red-meat-policy-proposals-are-telling-of-his-insecurity
"It is a moment often seen in the downward trajectory of embattled prime ministers: a whirl of new policy ideas intended to appeal to voters, but which are in fact more often aimed at placating their own MPs. Boris Johnson is, some would argue, approaching this point.
In recent days Downing Street has briefed in favour of grammar schools and imperial measurements. Earlier weeks saw forays into other Conservative comfort zones, including bashing the EU and talking up fossil fuels.
Such nostalgia politics is routinely promoted by Conservative backbenchers. But it is one of the paradoxes of Tory party politics that the more secure a prime minister is in office, the less they have to indulge these ideas."
a) Always look for any upper class/lower class differential in any 'morality'-driven regulation. Cf. divorce under the C of E of old (Scotland was a bit more sensible, not sure about Wales). In this case fox hunting is definitely toff territory, largely upper class/snobbish activity (albeit with quite a few prole followers) - but why allow nobby blood sports when banning working class ones such as cock fighting and bull baiting?
b) foxes obv don't like being hunted*, but cockerels are only too happy to have a scrap, like squaddies of different regiments in an Aldershot pub, so who's being unkind to whom?
*On empirical grounds. They run away. Cf. M. S. Dawkins's 1970s/1980s research on hens, which showed that they preferred not to live in a battery cage but in the more old fashioned alternative, simply by giving them the option.
One of the criteria to be applied to any activity, from riding ponies to foxhunting to keeping goldfish to having a domestic dog to having a dairy herd to zapping a fly should be - is it cruel.
And it was determined that foxhunting was not cruel.
That said, now is not the time to have a vote to bring back foxhunting. Not least because it would be defeated. Badly.
Or are you only genuinely rural if you think fox hunting is good?
I am sure a countryman like you knows all that. But hey, increased animal suffering Vs spiting the toffs...
Never seen anyone embarrass himself so badly on here. You are like a self proclaimed member of the cricketing community who thinks the game is played with an oval ball.
You can't even get the dates right. Hunting ends as lambing begins, and three months time is in midsummer.
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But, private education implies that you can only access it if you have money (scholarships excepted).Nigel_Foremain said:
I think if I don't understand then you are completely fucked. The point I was making was about snobbery dim wit. The hypocrisy of those that oppose private education who then bang on about how they went to the most snobbish institution in the world. That obvious enough for you?YBarddCwsc said:
It is true that e.g., Trinity College Cambridge has an endowment of 1.3 billion.Nigel_Foremain said:
Of course it is illogical. Oxbridge colleges are privately financed institutions that are absolute bastions of snobbery, class distinction, absurd anachronisms and extreme wealth. No socialist should cross their thresholds. But, yay, socialism always has its way of bending the rules. I would just call it hypocrisy though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is not in itself illogical - different funding systems, especially in the old days when people got proper student grants tout court.Nigel_Foremain said:
Many of the worst academic snobs I have come across boast of their "working class" credentials ad nauseum. The very left wing rant about the inequity of British private schooling while being unable to notice the absurdity of their position when they also drone on about how they went to Trinity College Cambridge.Carnyx said:
Not particularly! And I certainly wasn't selected for poshness.Nigel_Foremain said:
Surely you are at/attended an institution that falls into the latter category @Carnyx ?Carnyx said:
Some UK subjects might differ. They might quite like to be proper citizens instead of being expected to cringe to people who went to posh schools and posh unis.HYUFD said:
That is little different to the UK union, it is not a grand global imperial past like that of Britain or Germany or France or even a large European empire like that of Austria.OldKingCole said:
That wasn't the question, anyway. Denmark's main 'imperialism' might be a bit further back, although the sovereign of Denmark was also that of Iceland until 1944 or so, and Norway until 1905.HYUFD said:
Compared to the Spanish Empire, the Russian Empire, the French Empire, the British Empire, the German Empires or even the Italian and Austrian empires no it doesn't.Farooq said:
Wait, you think Denmark doesn't have an imperial past?HYUFD said:
We had a monarchy centuries before we had an Empire or even a Union, many nations without imperial pasts eg Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Jordan also have constitutional monarchieskinabalu said:
It's not a massive issue for me but if perchance there was a Referendum on keeping the monarchy I think I'd vote No. That's a change of heart compared to say 10 years ago.HYUFD said:
62% of LD voters also want to keep the monarchy, significantly higher than the 43% of Labour voters who want to keep the monarchy even if not quite as high as the 86% of Conservative voters who want to keep the monarchykjh said:
You do know that Davey isn't god don't you. He doesn't decide LD policy.HYUFD said:
Absolutely not, Davey supports our constitutional monarchyCarnyx said:
Oh? Do the LDs want a republic?HYUFD said:
None of the 3 main party leaders now want to abolish the monarchy, nor is it even a priority for SF who just want to be governed by Dublin not LondonIshmaelZ said:
Our best hope there is: monarchy abolished, SF start taking seats, hold whip hand in minority government. In the meantime there's always the Emerald Isle. Begorrah.Dura_Ace said:
If Johnson loses both by-elections he'll have to go Full Tonto and offer a vote on fox hunting.Heathener said:Good piece on Johnson's 'red meat policy' lurch to the right:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/30/johnsons-red-meat-policy-proposals-are-telling-of-his-insecurity
"It is a moment often seen in the downward trajectory of embattled prime ministers: a whirl of new policy ideas intended to appeal to voters, but which are in fact more often aimed at placating their own MPs. Boris Johnson is, some would argue, approaching this point.
In recent days Downing Street has briefed in favour of grammar schools and imperial measurements. Earlier weeks saw forays into other Conservative comfort zones, including bashing the EU and talking up fossil fuels.
Such nostalgia politics is routinely promoted by Conservative backbenchers. But it is one of the paradoxes of Tory party politics that the more secure a prime minister is in office, the less they have to indulge these ideas."
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/05/21/young-britons-are-turning-their-backs-monarchy
The reason? Because the institution we have with its pomp and scale is really a hangover from our grand imperial past. It feels out of time now. More than this, it feels absurd and just a touch embarrassing. I get that feeling more than I do the rather heavier sense of it reinforcing white supremacy and class privilege. I also think it infantilizes us a bit. Along with the harmless and positive aspects it does that. Which is not a great thing esp when we have a PM doing the same albeit in a different way.
So, on balance with the monarchy, a la Duncan Bannatyne on Dragons Den - it's a No from me.
Good god man, can you get ANYTHING right?
Most of those are republics
In 'early modern' times Sweden was very aggressive in Mid and Eastern Europe.
Certainly being a republican because of your nation's imperial past is ludicrous, France had a big imperial past and is a republic with an imperial presidency, see Bastille Day
But -- as you seem not to understand -- let me explain.
If a bright sixth-former is admitted as an undergraduate, they don't get to spend the 1.3 billion.
There is no such requirement at Cambridge.
Cambridge University -- like Harvard University, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Princeton University, Yale University, Brown University-- operate needs-blind admission.
If you pass the academic admission criteria, then there is no financial obstacle to attending.
Most Universities with large endowments can afford to operate need-blind admission.
That is exactly the opposite of private schools.0 -
You should get the bahn hammer for that.tlg86 said:
When anyone on here mentions DB, I assume they are talking about the railways!TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked. Shocked that DB have been accused of badness.
Deutsche Bank AG and its asset management unit had their Frankfurt offices raided by police, adding to the legal headaches facing Germany’s largest lender.
Law enforcement officials on Tuesday morning entered the twin towers where Germany’s largest lender is headquartered, as well as the nearby premises of DWS Group, according to a statement from the prosecutor that confirmed an earlier Bloomberg report. The search is related to accusations of greenwashing against the asset manager.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-31/deutsche-bank-s-dws-unit-raided-amid-allegations-of-greenwashing8 -
Don't worry the German regulator will close ranks and miraculously those investigations will come to nothing while the investigators will find their careers cut short.TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked. Shocked that DB have been accused of badness.
Deutsche Bank AG and its asset management unit had their Frankfurt offices raided by police, adding to the legal headaches facing Germany’s largest lender.
Law enforcement officials on Tuesday morning entered the twin towers where Germany’s largest lender is headquartered, as well as the nearby premises of DWS Group, according to a statement from the prosecutor that confirmed an earlier Bloomberg report. The search is related to accusations of greenwashing against the asset manager.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-31/deutsche-bank-s-dws-unit-raided-amid-allegations-of-greenwashing0 -
The principle is the same, the process is different. The principle is that it is not acceptable to simply elect the person with the most votes in an election with 3 or more candidates. The process is different because it would be impractical to apply the Tory methodology to the whole electorate.Sandpit said:
AV has one round of voting, multiple rounds of counting, and the same electorate for each round. None of which are present in the Tory leadership election.TheScreamingEagles said:
Multiple rounds of voting which sees the lowest ranked candidate eliminated until we have a final two, winner is the person who gets over 50%.Sandpit said:
Jeez, not this again. It’s nothing like AV.TheScreamingEagles said:For Sunday I think I'll publish a piece reminding you that the Conservative Party uses a form of quasi AV to elect their party leader.
No numbers used, just ticks in boxes. Multiple but separate rounds of voting, with the ability to vote for any candidate in any round.0 -
On the one hand theres no need to be lounging about when the Head of State comes in, on the other the extreme deference of the classes stuff has to go. Minor royals and 'aristocracy' can do one if they expect forelock tugging boot licking. Its getting closer to eradication but its still there in the 'tradesmen to use the rear entrance' stuff. Similarly the shade thrown at the better off just for being better off is unnecessary.mr-claypole said:On Royalty my in laws worked for the British council (a fine but now neglected institution) and as a result had a few brushes with Royalty over the years. Some fairly awful experiences with Princess Margaret although such tales are legion.
One that stands out was the Queen deploying extreme sarcasm when after walking into a room she found one member of the assembly leaning on a mantlepiece rather than standing up straight for her 'Oh dear have you hurt your back?'
I don't think that sort of thing is going to be a runner in the 21st century (once QE2 has left us) so if they want to survive they will need to be thinking clearly about what Monarchy will look like. I think support for them is wide but shallow.
Mutual respect and politeness are sufficient. Much easier in person than on a political discussion forum.0 -
I'm not wholly sure that a 20m Archer Class patrol boat with one 20mm popgun counts as "the Navy".Dura_Ace said:
Archer class Patrol Boats - S/Lt (Acting) Mordaunt has some experience with these from her time in the M*** Fleet so there's our CinC.MattW said:
Turkey would probably not let them in under Montreux.edmundintokyo said:If you were Boris, you didn't care about anything except yourself, and it was obvious the fox hunting and the imperial units weren't going to do it for you, what would your next move be?
I think I'd dispatch the Royal Navy to the Black Sea, with instructions to sail there very slowly.
?
Up the Rhine at Rotterdam, through the Rhine-Main-Danube Canal then down the Danube to Odessa for the liberation of Snake Island and the greater glory of Global Britain.
Never mind whether it will get under the 5.1m minimum bridge clearance on the Rhine-Main-Danube canal.
Unless those sailors are Munchkins. Or Diddy Men.0 -
This is a tad worrying, from Cummings, in the UnHerd interview....
"And they actually could get somebody worse: Liz Truss would be even worse than Boris. She’s about as close to properly crackers as anybody I’ve met in Parliament."2 -
Second raid on DB this year i believe?TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked. Shocked that DB have been accused of badness.
Deutsche Bank AG and its asset management unit had their Frankfurt offices raided by police, adding to the legal headaches facing Germany’s largest lender.
Law enforcement officials on Tuesday morning entered the twin towers where Germany’s largest lender is headquartered, as well as the nearby premises of DWS Group, according to a statement from the prosecutor that confirmed an earlier Bloomberg report. The search is related to accusations of greenwashing against the asset manager.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-31/deutsche-bank-s-dws-unit-raided-amid-allegations-of-greenwashing0 -
Rising interest rates will be yet another factor in the car industry recession. So many sales are personal leases and PCP plans, which all just got a lot more expensive. Much of the car industry profits were from financial services and inflated cash prices for new cars.TOPPING said:
This of course is the interesting point. To old timers like me who are used to buying their cars outright it is a bonkers world of everyone "buying cars" on the never never. Explains a lot in terms of people driving around in Range Rover Evoques but it is unnerving.TheScreamingEagles said:
We went from being a three car house to a two car house because in April 2020 my lease ran out and there was no point getting a new car then.PJH said:LOL. My plan is (was) to upgrade to fully electric when my current car (diesel Mondeo) is life expired.
Unfortunately Sadiq Khan wants to bring this about 4 years early but I will need the full 5 years to save up for one. Not sure what I'm going to do in the interim as I buy cars new and run them until they fall apart and I don't have much spare money right now so couldn't even buy anything decent second hand. Uber and hiring as required, I guess.0 -
I did have a moment of confusion yesterday when I read the FSB was asking for a bailout.tlg86 said:
When anyone on here mentions DB, I assume they are talking about the railways!TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked. Shocked that DB have been accused of badness.
Deutsche Bank AG and its asset management unit had their Frankfurt offices raided by police, adding to the legal headaches facing Germany’s largest lender.
Law enforcement officials on Tuesday morning entered the twin towers where Germany’s largest lender is headquartered, as well as the nearby premises of DWS Group, according to a statement from the prosecutor that confirmed an earlier Bloomberg report. The search is related to accusations of greenwashing against the asset manager.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-31/deutsche-bank-s-dws-unit-raided-amid-allegations-of-greenwashing
I know Sunak likes to spray the cash but.0 -
In your desperation to defend Oxbridge (which I am not attacking) you seem to be completely missing the point. Oxbridge is VERY elitist. It is far more elitist and discriminatory than grammar schools. The hypocrisy that amuses me about well educated lefties is that they seethe about people boasting about money (which I have some sympathy with) but they are often the worst academic snobs. Snobbery about their academic capability (won in a lottery of genetics) is OK to them. Any other type of snobbery is to be looked down on, in a very snobby supercilious way. Oh, the irony!YBarddCwsc said:
But, private education implies that you can only access it if you have money (scholarships excepted).Nigel_Foremain said:
I think if I don't understand then you are completely fucked. The point I was making was about snobbery dim wit. The hypocrisy of those that oppose private education who then bang on about how they went to the most snobbish institution in the world. That obvious enough for you?YBarddCwsc said:
It is true that e.g., Trinity College Cambridge has an endowment of 1.3 billion.Nigel_Foremain said:
Of course it is illogical. Oxbridge colleges are privately financed institutions that are absolute bastions of snobbery, class distinction, absurd anachronisms and extreme wealth. No socialist should cross their thresholds. But, yay, socialism always has its way of bending the rules. I would just call it hypocrisy though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is not in itself illogical - different funding systems, especially in the old days when people got proper student grants tout court.Nigel_Foremain said:
Many of the worst academic snobs I have come across boast of their "working class" credentials ad nauseum. The very left wing rant about the inequity of British private schooling while being unable to notice the absurdity of their position when they also drone on about how they went to Trinity College Cambridge.Carnyx said:
Not particularly! And I certainly wasn't selected for poshness.Nigel_Foremain said:
Surely you are at/attended an institution that falls into the latter category @Carnyx ?Carnyx said:
Some UK subjects might differ. They might quite like to be proper citizens instead of being expected to cringe to people who went to posh schools and posh unis.HYUFD said:
That is little different to the UK union, it is not a grand global imperial past like that of Britain or Germany or France or even a large European empire like that of Austria.OldKingCole said:
That wasn't the question, anyway. Denmark's main 'imperialism' might be a bit further back, although the sovereign of Denmark was also that of Iceland until 1944 or so, and Norway until 1905.HYUFD said:
Compared to the Spanish Empire, the Russian Empire, the French Empire, the British Empire, the German Empires or even the Italian and Austrian empires no it doesn't.Farooq said:
Wait, you think Denmark doesn't have an imperial past?HYUFD said:
We had a monarchy centuries before we had an Empire or even a Union, many nations without imperial pasts eg Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Jordan also have constitutional monarchieskinabalu said:
It's not a massive issue for me but if perchance there was a Referendum on keeping the monarchy I think I'd vote No. That's a change of heart compared to say 10 years ago.HYUFD said:
62% of LD voters also want to keep the monarchy, significantly higher than the 43% of Labour voters who want to keep the monarchy even if not quite as high as the 86% of Conservative voters who want to keep the monarchykjh said:
You do know that Davey isn't god don't you. He doesn't decide LD policy.HYUFD said:
Absolutely not, Davey supports our constitutional monarchyCarnyx said:
Oh? Do the LDs want a republic?HYUFD said:
None of the 3 main party leaders now want to abolish the monarchy, nor is it even a priority for SF who just want to be governed by Dublin not LondonIshmaelZ said:
Our best hope there is: monarchy abolished, SF start taking seats, hold whip hand in minority government. In the meantime there's always the Emerald Isle. Begorrah.Dura_Ace said:
If Johnson loses both by-elections he'll have to go Full Tonto and offer a vote on fox hunting.Heathener said:Good piece on Johnson's 'red meat policy' lurch to the right:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/30/johnsons-red-meat-policy-proposals-are-telling-of-his-insecurity
"It is a moment often seen in the downward trajectory of embattled prime ministers: a whirl of new policy ideas intended to appeal to voters, but which are in fact more often aimed at placating their own MPs. Boris Johnson is, some would argue, approaching this point.
In recent days Downing Street has briefed in favour of grammar schools and imperial measurements. Earlier weeks saw forays into other Conservative comfort zones, including bashing the EU and talking up fossil fuels.
Such nostalgia politics is routinely promoted by Conservative backbenchers. But it is one of the paradoxes of Tory party politics that the more secure a prime minister is in office, the less they have to indulge these ideas."
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/05/21/young-britons-are-turning-their-backs-monarchy
The reason? Because the institution we have with its pomp and scale is really a hangover from our grand imperial past. It feels out of time now. More than this, it feels absurd and just a touch embarrassing. I get that feeling more than I do the rather heavier sense of it reinforcing white supremacy and class privilege. I also think it infantilizes us a bit. Along with the harmless and positive aspects it does that. Which is not a great thing esp when we have a PM doing the same albeit in a different way.
So, on balance with the monarchy, a la Duncan Bannatyne on Dragons Den - it's a No from me.
Good god man, can you get ANYTHING right?
Most of those are republics
In 'early modern' times Sweden was very aggressive in Mid and Eastern Europe.
Certainly being a republican because of your nation's imperial past is ludicrous, France had a big imperial past and is a republic with an imperial presidency, see Bastille Day
But -- as you seem not to understand -- let me explain.
If a bright sixth-former is admitted as an undergraduate, they don't get to spend the 1.3 billion.
There is no such requirement at Cambridge.
Cambridge University -- like Harvard University, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Princeton University, Yale University, Brown University-- operate needs-blind admission.
If you pass the academic admission criteria, then there is no financial obstacle to attending.
Most Universities with large endowments can afford to operate need-blind admission.
That is exactly the opposite of private schools.
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https://order-order.com/2022/05/31/john-mcdonnell-defends-comrade-sunaks-inflationary-cash-splashing-from-labour-criticism/
If Tory MPs weren’t comfortable with Comrade Sunak’s £21 billion cost of living package announced last week, they should check out the bizarre through-the-looking-glass situation on Twitter this morning, as John McDonnell defends the Tory chancellor’s spending plans against attacks from Labour that it might cause greater inflation.
Pretty much sums up where we're at, to be honest.1 -
Yup, I said this is socialism.tlg86 said:https://order-order.com/2022/05/31/john-mcdonnell-defends-comrade-sunaks-inflationary-cash-splashing-from-labour-criticism/
If Tory MPs weren’t comfortable with Comrade Sunak’s £21 billion cost of living package announced last week, they should check out the bizarre through-the-looking-glass situation on Twitter this morning, as John McDonnell defends the Tory chancellor’s spending plans against attacks from Labour that it might cause greater inflation.
Pretty much sums up where we're at, to be honest.
Mrs Thatcher is spinning in her grave.0 -
Big Dom, never fails to come across as such a humble and likable guy.Burgessian said:Apols if already posted, but this is a fascinating interview.
https://unherd.com/2022/05/dominic-cummings-i-dont-like-parties/
Dominic Cummings with Suzanne Moore.
She asks all the questions you would want answering.
(Precis: Basically, it's all Carrie's fault.)0 -
It is reflected in the fact that discretionary spending is still happening to a very large extent.rottenborough said:Julian Jessop 🇬🇧 🇺🇦
@julianHjessop
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Another reason why the UK economy should avoid a #recession...
This morning's Bank of England money and credit data confirm that the household sector as a whole (not everyone, of course) still has plenty of excess savings accumulated during the pandemic 👇
https://twitter.com/julianHjessop/status/1531571901251854336
I keep hearing about a cost of living crisis, compare now with the early 80's, early 90s, 2008, those must have been a cost of living armageddon.
Millions of ordinary people have plenty of money at the moment.0 -
Le Monde reports:
Stade de France: new call for a strike on the RER B on the day of the France-Denmark football match
"The success of the strike during the Champions League final gives a concrete balance of power to the trade unions", say the trade union organizations of the RATP.
After a previous strike during the very chaotic Champions League final on Saturday May 28, RATP trade union organizations launched a new strike call on Tuesday May 31 on line B of the RER for Friday June 3. , France-Denmark football match day at the Stade de France. “The success of the strike during the Champions League final gives a concrete balance of power to the trade unions. The fiasco of May 28 generated worldwide media coverage and the management bears full responsibility for the problems of routing supporters to the Stade de France , ”say in their appeal CGT Métro-RER, UNSA and La Base.0 -
Voodoo poll, though (unless there is selection or correction for demographics). The ConHome panel might be nuttier/less nutty than the typical Con member.TheScreamingEagles said:
The margin of error on that poll/sample size is 3.35.MattW said:On topic:
This seems to be the basis of the ConHome poll:
Edited
https://twitter.com/987_charles/status/1531402146859581440
Not clear whether it is statistically matched.
Then, of course, you have to also allow for the destabilising effect of former PB posters sent there in disgrace
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My dad's reaction when he visited us yesterday on the windfall tax "supposedly the party of low taxes", he has voted Tory for 40+ years and was a member for 30+, Boris and Rishi are losing core voters.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, I said this is socialism.tlg86 said:https://order-order.com/2022/05/31/john-mcdonnell-defends-comrade-sunaks-inflationary-cash-splashing-from-labour-criticism/
If Tory MPs weren’t comfortable with Comrade Sunak’s £21 billion cost of living package announced last week, they should check out the bizarre through-the-looking-glass situation on Twitter this morning, as John McDonnell defends the Tory chancellor’s spending plans against attacks from Labour that it might cause greater inflation.
Pretty much sums up where we're at, to be honest.
Mrs Thatcher is spinning in her grave.1 -
Thanks Matt. Presumaly you pay for them in groats?MattW said:
4.546 l to you. Good for mental arithmetic.Peter_the_Punter said:
Gallons? What are they, forsooth?ydoethur said:
15 gallons? Doesn't sound unreasonable for a biggish road vehicle if the gauge was very low.Peter_the_Punter said:
What do you drive, a chieftain tank?PJH said:
I'd be happy to see £7 per gallon. That would be a substantial discount on what I paid last night. £120 to fill up... Gulp!Heathener said:
Indeed.wooliedyed said:
Tbf Nick even my dislike of Labour is starting to feel like not enough regardless of what the Tories do for next time.NickPalmer said:I'd think Hunt and Wallace appeal to the same "serious common sense" sector of the party, which is probably more represented in the Parliamentary party than the wider membership, who are more into "serious conservatism". So I'd have thought a Hunt vs Truss final was more likely than a Hunt vs Wallace one. But others here are better-placed to judge, eh?
Certainly betting on a VONC happening seems a strong option, but beware of Betfair's market on this - you're betting on whether the VONC succeeds, perhaps a more iffy proposition.
A new leader will certainly give a temporary bounce - lots of people like BigG and dyedwoolie are natural Conservatives who would return to the fold. But the situation is objectively difficult, so the new person will struggle to come up with bright new prospects. From that viewpoint, the Tories might be best off with a change next year, by which time the energy price spike may have unwound, giving the new leader an aura of miraculous success. Either way it does seem to me that the dominant public view is that the Conservatives have run out of steam, much as they felt about Labour in 2009-10.
I quite like imperial measurements, so does my butcher for example, however bringing them back in some triumphant flag waving weirdness whilst we are mired in war, economic crisis and coming out of a really depressing 2 years makes the Cones Hotline look good politics.
The thing is, we already use a mixture of metric and imperial as it is. It may not be neat and tidy but we're used to it, from old to young. No one is suddenly going to be thrilled to see £7 a gallon petrol signs appearing.
If David Canzini, or whichever muppet dreamt this up, thinks it's going to fix Boris Johnson's popularity then they are stark raving bonkers. Or working for the Opposition.0 -
We should wire her bones to the National Grid.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, I said this is socialism.tlg86 said:https://order-order.com/2022/05/31/john-mcdonnell-defends-comrade-sunaks-inflationary-cash-splashing-from-labour-criticism/
If Tory MPs weren’t comfortable with Comrade Sunak’s £21 billion cost of living package announced last week, they should check out the bizarre through-the-looking-glass situation on Twitter this morning, as John McDonnell defends the Tory chancellor’s spending plans against attacks from Labour that it might cause greater inflation.
Pretty much sums up where we're at, to be honest.
Mrs Thatcher is spinning in her grave.2 -
Oh that is good!dixiedean said:
We should wire her bones to the National Grid.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, I said this is socialism.tlg86 said:https://order-order.com/2022/05/31/john-mcdonnell-defends-comrade-sunaks-inflationary-cash-splashing-from-labour-criticism/
If Tory MPs weren’t comfortable with Comrade Sunak’s £21 billion cost of living package announced last week, they should check out the bizarre through-the-looking-glass situation on Twitter this morning, as John McDonnell defends the Tory chancellor’s spending plans against attacks from Labour that it might cause greater inflation.
Pretty much sums up where we're at, to be honest.
Mrs Thatcher is spinning in her grave.0 -
I have moved into a fantastically dilapidated apartment in the Old Town of Tbilisi. There’s a tree growing through the roof of the neighbouring house
And outside is this graffiti
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Power = Torque x RPM so, no, because the motor RPM is relatively low at low speeds.RochdalePioneers said:
There is no gearbox. You are always in the right gear with 100% of power available at all times instantly. .
Teslas are torque limited from a standing start to avoid blowing out the diffs and half shafts. The torque starts to drop off at about 30% engine RPM (also peak power) so a Tesla does have a torque curve of sorts.
You are getting a lot more bottom end torque and 'throttle' repsonse than an IC car - particularly a shitbox.0 -
I said last week that I'm expecting rent controls next from this government.MaxPB said:
My dad's reaction when he visited us yesterday on the windfall tax "supposedly the party of low taxes", he has voted Tory for 40+ years and was a member for 30+, Boris and Rishi are losing core voters.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, I said this is socialism.tlg86 said:https://order-order.com/2022/05/31/john-mcdonnell-defends-comrade-sunaks-inflationary-cash-splashing-from-labour-criticism/
If Tory MPs weren’t comfortable with Comrade Sunak’s £21 billion cost of living package announced last week, they should check out the bizarre through-the-looking-glass situation on Twitter this morning, as John McDonnell defends the Tory chancellor’s spending plans against attacks from Labour that it might cause greater inflation.
Pretty much sums up where we're at, to be honest.
Mrs Thatcher is spinning in her grave.0 -
My father and I had a discussion on the phone this morning, i brought up Boris and that i think its game over. He's a non voter/occasional Tory (voted Tory 2019 and 2010 but not bothered in 15 or 17 and hadn't voted prior since 92 he tells me, but he always votes for a councillor (of all stripes))rottenborough said:This is a tad worrying, from Cummings, in the UnHerd interview....
"And they actually could get somebody worse: Liz Truss would be even worse than Boris. She’s about as close to properly crackers as anybody I’ve met in Parliament."
Anyway, he is virulently anti Truss (as much as he now despises Johnson)
FWIW, the Woolie's Dad tip is Ben Wallace 'he seems a good bloke'0 -
I'd be inclined to go for goats. More interesting than groats.Peter_the_Punter said:
Thanks Matt. Presumaly you pay for them in groats?MattW said:
4.546 l to you. Good for mental arithmetic.Peter_the_Punter said:
Gallons? What are they, forsooth?ydoethur said:
15 gallons? Doesn't sound unreasonable for a biggish road vehicle if the gauge was very low.Peter_the_Punter said:
What do you drive, a chieftain tank?PJH said:
I'd be happy to see £7 per gallon. That would be a substantial discount on what I paid last night. £120 to fill up... Gulp!Heathener said:
Indeed.wooliedyed said:
Tbf Nick even my dislike of Labour is starting to feel like not enough regardless of what the Tories do for next time.NickPalmer said:I'd think Hunt and Wallace appeal to the same "serious common sense" sector of the party, which is probably more represented in the Parliamentary party than the wider membership, who are more into "serious conservatism". So I'd have thought a Hunt vs Truss final was more likely than a Hunt vs Wallace one. But others here are better-placed to judge, eh?
Certainly betting on a VONC happening seems a strong option, but beware of Betfair's market on this - you're betting on whether the VONC succeeds, perhaps a more iffy proposition.
A new leader will certainly give a temporary bounce - lots of people like BigG and dyedwoolie are natural Conservatives who would return to the fold. But the situation is objectively difficult, so the new person will struggle to come up with bright new prospects. From that viewpoint, the Tories might be best off with a change next year, by which time the energy price spike may have unwound, giving the new leader an aura of miraculous success. Either way it does seem to me that the dominant public view is that the Conservatives have run out of steam, much as they felt about Labour in 2009-10.
I quite like imperial measurements, so does my butcher for example, however bringing them back in some triumphant flag waving weirdness whilst we are mired in war, economic crisis and coming out of a really depressing 2 years makes the Cones Hotline look good politics.
The thing is, we already use a mixture of metric and imperial as it is. It may not be neat and tidy but we're used to it, from old to young. No one is suddenly going to be thrilled to see £7 a gallon petrol signs appearing.
If David Canzini, or whichever muppet dreamt this up, thinks it's going to fix Boris Johnson's popularity then they are stark raving bonkers. Or working for the Opposition.
4.546 is a nice number to work with - x5 minus 10% as near as. Plus 1% on that if you are obsessing.2 -
I've honestly never known a Tory government to simply give up on supply side economics. It's as if Rishi has just thrown away all of the first year economics text books and decided that pumping up demand is going to solve the inflation problem. Completely mad.TheScreamingEagles said:
I said last week that I'm expecting rent controls next from this government.MaxPB said:
My dad's reaction when he visited us yesterday on the windfall tax "supposedly the party of low taxes", he has voted Tory for 40+ years and was a member for 30+, Boris and Rishi are losing core voters.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, I said this is socialism.tlg86 said:https://order-order.com/2022/05/31/john-mcdonnell-defends-comrade-sunaks-inflationary-cash-splashing-from-labour-criticism/
If Tory MPs weren’t comfortable with Comrade Sunak’s £21 billion cost of living package announced last week, they should check out the bizarre through-the-looking-glass situation on Twitter this morning, as John McDonnell defends the Tory chancellor’s spending plans against attacks from Labour that it might cause greater inflation.
Pretty much sums up where we're at, to be honest.
Mrs Thatcher is spinning in her grave.4 -
The bit that can be quite exciting is the amount of power and acceleration you still have when already at 70mph. I of course never take advantage of this optional power, and if I did, I would be on my way somewhere else, to my flat for example, but at all times I thought I was working.Dura_Ace said:
Power = Torque x RPM so, no, because the motor RPM is relatively low at low speeds.RochdalePioneers said:
There is no gearbox. You are always in the right gear with 100% of power available at all times instantly. .
Teslas are torque limited from a standing start to avoid blowing out the diffs and half shafts. The torque starts to drop off at about 30% engine RPM (also peak power) so a Tesla does have a torque curve of sorts.
You are getting a lot more bottom end torque and 'throttle' repsonse than an IC car - particularly a shitbox.0 -
Having tangentially known a worker bee in one College's admissions office the criteria are not all academic and snobbery still lingers.YBarddCwsc said:
But, private education implies that you can only access it if you have money (scholarships excepted).Nigel_Foremain said:
I think if I don't understand then you are completely fucked. The point I was making was about snobbery dim wit. The hypocrisy of those that oppose private education who then bang on about how they went to the most snobbish institution in the world. That obvious enough for you?YBarddCwsc said:
It is true that e.g., Trinity College Cambridge has an endowment of 1.3 billion.Nigel_Foremain said:
Of course it is illogical. Oxbridge colleges are privately financed institutions that are absolute bastions of snobbery, class distinction, absurd anachronisms and extreme wealth. No socialist should cross their thresholds. But, yay, socialism always has its way of bending the rules. I would just call it hypocrisy though.Carnyx said:
Hmm, that is not in itself illogical - different funding systems, especially in the old days when people got proper student grants tout court.Nigel_Foremain said:
Many of the worst academic snobs I have come across boast of their "working class" credentials ad nauseum. The very left wing rant about the inequity of British private schooling while being unable to notice the absurdity of their position when they also drone on about how they went to Trinity College Cambridge.Carnyx said:
Not particularly! And I certainly wasn't selected for poshness.Nigel_Foremain said:
Surely you are at/attended an institution that falls into the latter category @Carnyx ?Carnyx said:
Some UK subjects might differ. They might quite like to be proper citizens instead of being expected to cringe to people who went to posh schools and posh unis.HYUFD said:
That is little different to the UK union, it is not a grand global imperial past like that of Britain or Germany or France or even a large European empire like that of Austria.OldKingCole said:
That wasn't the question, anyway. Denmark's main 'imperialism' might be a bit further back, although the sovereign of Denmark was also that of Iceland until 1944 or so, and Norway until 1905.HYUFD said:
Compared to the Spanish Empire, the Russian Empire, the French Empire, the British Empire, the German Empires or even the Italian and Austrian empires no it doesn't.Farooq said:
Wait, you think Denmark doesn't have an imperial past?HYUFD said:
We had a monarchy centuries before we had an Empire or even a Union, many nations without imperial pasts eg Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Jordan also have constitutional monarchieskinabalu said:
It's not a massive issue for me but if perchance there was a Referendum on keeping the monarchy I think I'd vote No. That's a change of heart compared to say 10 years ago.HYUFD said:
62% of LD voters also want to keep the monarchy, significantly higher than the 43% of Labour voters who want to keep the monarchy even if not quite as high as the 86% of Conservative voters who want to keep the monarchykjh said:
You do know that Davey isn't god don't you. He doesn't decide LD policy.HYUFD said:
Absolutely not, Davey supports our constitutional monarchyCarnyx said:
Oh? Do the LDs want a republic?HYUFD said:
None of the 3 main party leaders now want to abolish the monarchy, nor is it even a priority for SF who just want to be governed by Dublin not LondonIshmaelZ said:
Our best hope there is: monarchy abolished, SF start taking seats, hold whip hand in minority government. In the meantime there's always the Emerald Isle. Begorrah.Dura_Ace said:
If Johnson loses both by-elections he'll have to go Full Tonto and offer a vote on fox hunting.Heathener said:Good piece on Johnson's 'red meat policy' lurch to the right:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/30/johnsons-red-meat-policy-proposals-are-telling-of-his-insecurity
"It is a moment often seen in the downward trajectory of embattled prime ministers: a whirl of new policy ideas intended to appeal to voters, but which are in fact more often aimed at placating their own MPs. Boris Johnson is, some would argue, approaching this point.
In recent days Downing Street has briefed in favour of grammar schools and imperial measurements. Earlier weeks saw forays into other Conservative comfort zones, including bashing the EU and talking up fossil fuels.
Such nostalgia politics is routinely promoted by Conservative backbenchers. But it is one of the paradoxes of Tory party politics that the more secure a prime minister is in office, the less they have to indulge these ideas."
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/05/21/young-britons-are-turning-their-backs-monarchy
The reason? Because the institution we have with its pomp and scale is really a hangover from our grand imperial past. It feels out of time now. More than this, it feels absurd and just a touch embarrassing. I get that feeling more than I do the rather heavier sense of it reinforcing white supremacy and class privilege. I also think it infantilizes us a bit. Along with the harmless and positive aspects it does that. Which is not a great thing esp when we have a PM doing the same albeit in a different way.
So, on balance with the monarchy, a la Duncan Bannatyne on Dragons Den - it's a No from me.
Good god man, can you get ANYTHING right?
Most of those are republics
In 'early modern' times Sweden was very aggressive in Mid and Eastern Europe.
Certainly being a republican because of your nation's imperial past is ludicrous, France had a big imperial past and is a republic with an imperial presidency, see Bastille Day
But -- as you seem not to understand -- let me explain.
If a bright sixth-former is admitted as an undergraduate, they don't get to spend the 1.3 billion.
There is no such requirement at Cambridge.
Cambridge University -- like Harvard University, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Princeton University, Yale University, Brown University-- operate needs-blind admission.
If you pass the academic admission criteria, then there is no financial obstacle to attending.
Most Universities with large endowments can afford to operate need-blind admission.
That is exactly the opposite of private schools.1 -
Ratnering their brand. Its the whole USP of the Tory Party.MaxPB said:
My dad's reaction when he visited us yesterday on the windfall tax "supposedly the party of low taxes", he has voted Tory for 40+ years and was a member for 30+, Boris and Rishi are losing core voters.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, I said this is socialism.tlg86 said:https://order-order.com/2022/05/31/john-mcdonnell-defends-comrade-sunaks-inflationary-cash-splashing-from-labour-criticism/
If Tory MPs weren’t comfortable with Comrade Sunak’s £21 billion cost of living package announced last week, they should check out the bizarre through-the-looking-glass situation on Twitter this morning, as John McDonnell defends the Tory chancellor’s spending plans against attacks from Labour that it might cause greater inflation.
Pretty much sums up where we're at, to be honest.
Mrs Thatcher is spinning in her grave.
The thing is I am not sure there is a replacement that will be (able) to propose a lower tax approach anytime soon. Economic outlook is bad and so much money has been spent. We are all going to get hammered for the next 10 years whoever is in power.0 -
Apt. Cheese n Crackers.rottenborough said:This is a tad worrying, from Cummings, in the UnHerd interview....
"And they actually could get somebody worse: Liz Truss would be even worse than Boris. She’s about as close to properly crackers as anybody I’ve met in Parliament."0 -
I was particularly amused by his criticism that 'civil servants and politicians all did similar degrees at similar universities,' apparently without a trace of irony.FrancisUrquhart said:
Big Dom, never fails to come across as such a humble and likable guy.Burgessian said:Apols if already posted, but this is a fascinating interview.
https://unherd.com/2022/05/dominic-cummings-i-dont-like-parties/
Dominic Cummings with Suzanne Moore.
She asks all the questions you would want answering.
(Precis: Basically, it's all Carrie's fault.)
But it is an interesting interview, if only for the insight into his own wounded vanity.0 -
And then have the arguments over whether debased Henry VIII ones are acceptable or not.Peter_the_Punter said:
Thanks Matt. Presumaly you pay for them in groats?MattW said:
4.546 l to you. Good for mental arithmetic.Peter_the_Punter said:
Gallons? What are they, forsooth?ydoethur said:
15 gallons? Doesn't sound unreasonable for a biggish road vehicle if the gauge was very low.Peter_the_Punter said:
What do you drive, a chieftain tank?PJH said:
I'd be happy to see £7 per gallon. That would be a substantial discount on what I paid last night. £120 to fill up... Gulp!Heathener said:
Indeed.wooliedyed said:
Tbf Nick even my dislike of Labour is starting to feel like not enough regardless of what the Tories do for next time.NickPalmer said:I'd think Hunt and Wallace appeal to the same "serious common sense" sector of the party, which is probably more represented in the Parliamentary party than the wider membership, who are more into "serious conservatism". So I'd have thought a Hunt vs Truss final was more likely than a Hunt vs Wallace one. But others here are better-placed to judge, eh?
Certainly betting on a VONC happening seems a strong option, but beware of Betfair's market on this - you're betting on whether the VONC succeeds, perhaps a more iffy proposition.
A new leader will certainly give a temporary bounce - lots of people like BigG and dyedwoolie are natural Conservatives who would return to the fold. But the situation is objectively difficult, so the new person will struggle to come up with bright new prospects. From that viewpoint, the Tories might be best off with a change next year, by which time the energy price spike may have unwound, giving the new leader an aura of miraculous success. Either way it does seem to me that the dominant public view is that the Conservatives have run out of steam, much as they felt about Labour in 2009-10.
I quite like imperial measurements, so does my butcher for example, however bringing them back in some triumphant flag waving weirdness whilst we are mired in war, economic crisis and coming out of a really depressing 2 years makes the Cones Hotline look good politics.
The thing is, we already use a mixture of metric and imperial as it is. It may not be neat and tidy but we're used to it, from old to young. No one is suddenly going to be thrilled to see £7 a gallon petrol signs appearing.
If David Canzini, or whichever muppet dreamt this up, thinks it's going to fix Boris Johnson's popularity then they are stark raving bonkers. Or working for the Opposition.1 -
As often with Cummings he makes many interesting and often spot on observations, but he can never resist from the well if only everybody listened to me routine and that his solution to most problems involves vague revolution and chaos...which might be fine for a tech start-up, where the only downside is blowing some VC money, but rather bigger costs to failure when you are talking about government policy.ydoethur said:
I was particularly amused by his criticism that 'civil servants and politicians all did similar degrees at similar universities,' apparently without a trace of irony.FrancisUrquhart said:
Big Dom, never fails to come across as such a humble and likable guy.Burgessian said:Apols if already posted, but this is a fascinating interview.
https://unherd.com/2022/05/dominic-cummings-i-dont-like-parties/
Dominic Cummings with Suzanne Moore.
She asks all the questions you would want answering.
(Precis: Basically, it's all Carrie's fault.)
But it is an interesting interview, if only for the insight into his own wounded vanity.1 -
I'd love to carry out some psychometrics on Cummings. He would be such an interesting study. I suspect he suffers very badly from Psychological projection and a paranoia and narcissism that rivals his old boss. Sociopathy would definitely be in there.Stark_Dawning said:
Apt. Cheese n Crackers.rottenborough said:This is a tad worrying, from Cummings, in the UnHerd interview....
"And they actually could get somebody worse: Liz Truss would be even worse than Boris. She’s about as close to properly crackers as anybody I’ve met in Parliament."0 -
Trans activist who heckled Nadhim Zahawi off Warwick University campus is the son of Ed Balls and Labour Shadow Home Secretary Yvette Cooper
In video posted by the Warwick Labour society, Joel Cooper interrupts the Education Secretary's Q&A to heckle him over his stance on trans rights. He then sits down after his monologue to cheers from fellow Labour activists
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10870697/Trans-activist-heckled-Nadhim-Zahawi-Warwick-University-campus-son-Yvette-Cooper.html
I believe there was a bit of a dust up yesterday on here with at the time unsupported claims there was a Labour angle involved in this story.1 -
Hes given labour a double digit lead as party of low tax. Quite insane.MaxPB said:
I've honestly never known a Tory government to simply give up on supply side economics. It's as if Rishi has just thrown away all of the first year economics text books and decided that pumping up demand is going to solve the inflation problem. Completely mad.TheScreamingEagles said:
I said last week that I'm expecting rent controls next from this government.MaxPB said:
My dad's reaction when he visited us yesterday on the windfall tax "supposedly the party of low taxes", he has voted Tory for 40+ years and was a member for 30+, Boris and Rishi are losing core voters.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, I said this is socialism.tlg86 said:https://order-order.com/2022/05/31/john-mcdonnell-defends-comrade-sunaks-inflationary-cash-splashing-from-labour-criticism/
If Tory MPs weren’t comfortable with Comrade Sunak’s £21 billion cost of living package announced last week, they should check out the bizarre through-the-looking-glass situation on Twitter this morning, as John McDonnell defends the Tory chancellor’s spending plans against attacks from Labour that it might cause greater inflation.
Pretty much sums up where we're at, to be honest.
Mrs Thatcher is spinning in her grave.1 -
Thing about Wallace is. He may be good. He may not. The only job he's had is Defence. It's ridiculously low profile. Then there's a War. He can't really lose there. He hasn't had a difficult gig in public.wooliedyed said:
My father and I had a discussion on the phone this morning, i brought up Boris and that i think its game over. He's a non voter/occasional Tory (voted Tory 2019 and 2010 but not bothered in 15 or 17 and hadn't voted prior since 92 he tells me, but he always votes for a councillor (of all stripes))rottenborough said:This is a tad worrying, from Cummings, in the UnHerd interview....
"And they actually could get somebody worse: Liz Truss would be even worse than Boris. She’s about as close to properly crackers as anybody I’ve met in Parliament."
Anyway, he is virulently anti Truss (as much as he now despises Johnson)
FWIW, the Woolie's Dad tip is Ben Wallace 'he seems a good bloke'
Hie expenses in 2008 may be an issue too.
Fourth highest trougher in an ultra-competitive field.0 -
Joel Cooper? A trans activist who dropped Balls? That is brilliant.FrancisUrquhart said:Trans activist who heckled Nadhim Zahawi off Warwick University campus is the son of Ed Balls and Labour Shadow Home Secretary Yvette Cooper
In video posted by the Warwick Labour society, Joel Cooper interrupts the Education Secretary's Q&A to heckle him over his stance on trans rights. He then sits down after his monologue to cheers from fellow Labour activists
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10870697/Trans-activist-heckled-Nadhim-Zahawi-Warwick-University-campus-son-Yvette-Cooper.html
I believe there was a bit of a dust up yesterday on here with at the time unsupported claims there was a Labour angle involved in this story.4 -
The thing about Wallace is he is not Big Dog, and I am not referring to Gromit.dixiedean said:
Thing about Wallace is. He may be good. He may not. The only job he's had is Defence. It's ridiculously low profile. Then there's a War. He can't really lose there. He hasn't had a difficult gig in public.wooliedyed said:
My father and I had a discussion on the phone this morning, i brought up Boris and that i think its game over. He's a non voter/occasional Tory (voted Tory 2019 and 2010 but not bothered in 15 or 17 and hadn't voted prior since 92 he tells me, but he always votes for a councillor (of all stripes))rottenborough said:This is a tad worrying, from Cummings, in the UnHerd interview....
"And they actually could get somebody worse: Liz Truss would be even worse than Boris. She’s about as close to properly crackers as anybody I’ve met in Parliament."
Anyway, he is virulently anti Truss (as much as he now despises Johnson)
FWIW, the Woolie's Dad tip is Ben Wallace 'he seems a good bloke'
Hie expenses in 2008 may be an issue too.
Fourth highest trougher in an ultra-competitive field.3 -
Make a start on un-printing that £600bn. Conduct a full spending review. Look at government-held assets for disposal. Start a debate on what exactly government should be providing in the future. Invest in automation technology for government services.MaxPB said:
I've honestly never known a Tory government to simply give up on supply side economics. It's as if Rishi has just thrown away all of the first year economics text books and decided that pumping up demand is going to solve the inflation problem. Completely mad.TheScreamingEagles said:
I said last week that I'm expecting rent controls next from this government.MaxPB said:
My dad's reaction when he visited us yesterday on the windfall tax "supposedly the party of low taxes", he has voted Tory for 40+ years and was a member for 30+, Boris and Rishi are losing core voters.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, I said this is socialism.tlg86 said:https://order-order.com/2022/05/31/john-mcdonnell-defends-comrade-sunaks-inflationary-cash-splashing-from-labour-criticism/
If Tory MPs weren’t comfortable with Comrade Sunak’s £21 billion cost of living package announced last week, they should check out the bizarre through-the-looking-glass situation on Twitter this morning, as John McDonnell defends the Tory chancellor’s spending plans against attacks from Labour that it might cause greater inflation.
Pretty much sums up where we're at, to be honest.
Mrs Thatcher is spinning in her grave.0 -
The BBC changed the testimony of a rape victim after a debate over the pronouns of her transgender attacker, The Times has learnt.
The woman referred to her alleged rapist as “him” but insiders said that her words were changed to avoid “misgendering” the abuser in an article on the corporation’s website.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bbc-altered-gender-in-trans-rape-claim-3cqj73tq50 -
So you're saying he's not an Aardman?Nigel_Foremain said:
The thing about Wallace is he is not Big Dog, and I am not referring to Gromit.dixiedean said:
Thing about Wallace is. He may be good. He may not. The only job he's had is Defence. It's ridiculously low profile. Then there's a War. He can't really lose there. He hasn't had a difficult gig in public.wooliedyed said:
My father and I had a discussion on the phone this morning, i brought up Boris and that i think its game over. He's a non voter/occasional Tory (voted Tory 2019 and 2010 but not bothered in 15 or 17 and hadn't voted prior since 92 he tells me, but he always votes for a councillor (of all stripes))rottenborough said:This is a tad worrying, from Cummings, in the UnHerd interview....
"And they actually could get somebody worse: Liz Truss would be even worse than Boris. She’s about as close to properly crackers as anybody I’ve met in Parliament."
Anyway, he is virulently anti Truss (as much as he now despises Johnson)
FWIW, the Woolie's Dad tip is Ben Wallace 'he seems a good bloke'
Hie expenses in 2008 may be an issue too.
Fourth highest trougher in an ultra-competitive field.1 -
Now even the ERG aren't brexity enough! https://twitter.com/bea_johanssen/status/15316005582510284810
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I think we should Park this conversation.ydoethur said:
So you're saying he's not an Aardman?Nigel_Foremain said:
The thing about Wallace is he is not Big Dog, and I am not referring to Gromit.dixiedean said:
Thing about Wallace is. He may be good. He may not. The only job he's had is Defence. It's ridiculously low profile. Then there's a War. He can't really lose there. He hasn't had a difficult gig in public.wooliedyed said:
My father and I had a discussion on the phone this morning, i brought up Boris and that i think its game over. He's a non voter/occasional Tory (voted Tory 2019 and 2010 but not bothered in 15 or 17 and hadn't voted prior since 92 he tells me, but he always votes for a councillor (of all stripes))rottenborough said:This is a tad worrying, from Cummings, in the UnHerd interview....
"And they actually could get somebody worse: Liz Truss would be even worse than Boris. She’s about as close to properly crackers as anybody I’ve met in Parliament."
Anyway, he is virulently anti Truss (as much as he now despises Johnson)
FWIW, the Woolie's Dad tip is Ben Wallace 'he seems a good bloke'
Hie expenses in 2008 may be an issue too.
Fourth highest trougher in an ultra-competitive field.0 -
Very good. Had to look that one up.ydoethur said:
So you're saying he's not an Aardman?Nigel_Foremain said:
The thing about Wallace is he is not Big Dog, and I am not referring to Gromit.dixiedean said:
Thing about Wallace is. He may be good. He may not. The only job he's had is Defence. It's ridiculously low profile. Then there's a War. He can't really lose there. He hasn't had a difficult gig in public.wooliedyed said:
My father and I had a discussion on the phone this morning, i brought up Boris and that i think its game over. He's a non voter/occasional Tory (voted Tory 2019 and 2010 but not bothered in 15 or 17 and hadn't voted prior since 92 he tells me, but he always votes for a councillor (of all stripes))rottenborough said:This is a tad worrying, from Cummings, in the UnHerd interview....
"And they actually could get somebody worse: Liz Truss would be even worse than Boris. She’s about as close to properly crackers as anybody I’ve met in Parliament."
Anyway, he is virulently anti Truss (as much as he now despises Johnson)
FWIW, the Woolie's Dad tip is Ben Wallace 'he seems a good bloke'
Hie expenses in 2008 may be an issue too.
Fourth highest trougher in an ultra-competitive field.0 -
Who runs the airports ?
Seem to be thick as mince.0 -
I suppose though @Nigel_Foremain I would have been better served with the punch line from the Now Show spoof ad in 2020:
'But what he is, what he has always been, and what he will be as your next President, is Not Donald Trump. And that is what makes Joe Biden Acceptable, Under the Circumstances.'2 -
Ah yes, more Tory bigots stoking a culture war.FrancisUrquhart said:Trans activist who heckled Nadhim Zahawi off Warwick University campus is the son of Ed Balls and Labour Shadow Home Secretary Yvette Cooper
In video posted by the Warwick Labour society, Joel Cooper interrupts the Education Secretary's Q&A to heckle him over his stance on trans rights. He then sits down after his monologue to cheers from fellow Labour activists
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10870697/Trans-activist-heckled-Nadhim-Zahawi-Warwick-University-campus-son-Yvette-Cooper.html
I believe there was a bit of a dust up yesterday on here with at the time unsupported claims there was a Labour angle involved in this story.1 -
Hey, don't try to Nick my puns.dixiedean said:
I think we should Park this conversation.ydoethur said:
So you're saying he's not an Aardman?Nigel_Foremain said:
The thing about Wallace is he is not Big Dog, and I am not referring to Gromit.dixiedean said:
Thing about Wallace is. He may be good. He may not. The only job he's had is Defence. It's ridiculously low profile. Then there's a War. He can't really lose there. He hasn't had a difficult gig in public.wooliedyed said:
My father and I had a discussion on the phone this morning, i brought up Boris and that i think its game over. He's a non voter/occasional Tory (voted Tory 2019 and 2010 but not bothered in 15 or 17 and hadn't voted prior since 92 he tells me, but he always votes for a councillor (of all stripes))rottenborough said:This is a tad worrying, from Cummings, in the UnHerd interview....
"And they actually could get somebody worse: Liz Truss would be even worse than Boris. She’s about as close to properly crackers as anybody I’ve met in Parliament."
Anyway, he is virulently anti Truss (as much as he now despises Johnson)
FWIW, the Woolie's Dad tip is Ben Wallace 'he seems a good bloke'
Hie expenses in 2008 may be an issue too.
Fourth highest trougher in an ultra-competitive field.1 -
Yea, as we are on PB we might hear from SeanTheSheep.dixiedean said:
I think we should Park this conversation.ydoethur said:
So you're saying he's not an Aardman?Nigel_Foremain said:
The thing about Wallace is he is not Big Dog, and I am not referring to Gromit.dixiedean said:
Thing about Wallace is. He may be good. He may not. The only job he's had is Defence. It's ridiculously low profile. Then there's a War. He can't really lose there. He hasn't had a difficult gig in public.wooliedyed said:
My father and I had a discussion on the phone this morning, i brought up Boris and that i think its game over. He's a non voter/occasional Tory (voted Tory 2019 and 2010 but not bothered in 15 or 17 and hadn't voted prior since 92 he tells me, but he always votes for a councillor (of all stripes))rottenborough said:This is a tad worrying, from Cummings, in the UnHerd interview....
"And they actually could get somebody worse: Liz Truss would be even worse than Boris. She’s about as close to properly crackers as anybody I’ve met in Parliament."
Anyway, he is virulently anti Truss (as much as he now despises Johnson)
FWIW, the Woolie's Dad tip is Ben Wallace 'he seems a good bloke'
Hie expenses in 2008 may be an issue too.
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Diesel or electric?RochdalePioneers said:
I don't think people understand until they drive an electric car.Nigel_Foremain said:
It was the BIK that sold it to me. That and the absurd acceleration! It is also very good to drive, and in spite of what the plonkerish CEO of BMW said, easily as good as any of the German cars I have had.RochdalePioneers said:
Have got a Tesla Model Y on order which I have deferred back into Q3 whilst awaiting work stuff to become more clear. Moving car costs to pre tax from post tax makes a lot of sense. Only problem is that I am becoming more attached to my Outlander PHEV now that I've reserved its replacement.Nigel_Foremain said:
It is still about 1/3 of cost of petrol per mile even on a supercharger. Even less if charged on low rate economy 7 over night.ydoethur said:
With the price of electricity, that will soon cost £550 to fill up.Nigel_Foremain said:
Other than my Tesla, I can't think of a car I have had in the last 5 years that hasn't cost £120 to fill up lol.Peter_the_Punter said:
What do you drive, a chieftain tank?PJH said:
I'd be happy to see £7 per gallon. That would be a substantial discount on what I paid last night. £120 to fill up... Gulp!Heathener said:
Indeed.wooliedyed said:
Tbf Nick even my dislike of Labour is starting to feel like not enough regardless of what the Tories do for next time.NickPalmer said:I'd think Hunt and Wallace appeal to the same "serious common sense" sector of the party, which is probably more represented in the Parliamentary party than the wider membership, who are more into "serious conservatism". So I'd have thought a Hunt vs Truss final was more likely than a Hunt vs Wallace one. But others here are better-placed to judge, eh?
Certainly betting on a VONC happening seems a strong option, but beware of Betfair's market on this - you're betting on whether the VONC succeeds, perhaps a more iffy proposition.
A new leader will certainly give a temporary bounce - lots of people like BigG and dyedwoolie are natural Conservatives who would return to the fold. But the situation is objectively difficult, so the new person will struggle to come up with bright new prospects. From that viewpoint, the Tories might be best off with a change next year, by which time the energy price spike may have unwound, giving the new leader an aura of miraculous success. Either way it does seem to me that the dominant public view is that the Conservatives have run out of steam, much as they felt about Labour in 2009-10.
I quite like imperial measurements, so does my butcher for example, however bringing them back in some triumphant flag waving weirdness whilst we are mired in war, economic crisis and coming out of a really depressing 2 years makes the Cones Hotline look good politics.
The thing is, we already use a mixture of metric and imperial as it is. It may not be neat and tidy but we're used to it, from old to young. No one is suddenly going to be thrilled to see £7 a gallon petrol signs appearing.
If David Canzini, or whichever muppet dreamt this up, thinks it's going to fix Boris Johnson's popularity then they are stark raving bonkers. Or working for the Opposition.
Fuel costs are only one part of the total cost - and however great pence per mile may look at the moment on leccy vs dino juice, that equation will keep changing.
There is no gearbox. You are always in the right gear with 100% of power available at all times instantly. You are driving a vehicle with a low centre of gravity which means it holds the roll better than a car without a battery pack in the floor.
When wanging it down your favourite driving road you have this new trick of mid-corner regen. A fossil car might suffer from lift-off oversteer, whereas an EV mid-corner liftoff rebalances the car through regen and helps you corner harder.
Much as I loved my Volvo S90, the return to both diseasal and a torque-converter gearbox was something I never really got used to. So when it went and got replaced by another PHEV the relief was instant.
Deltic or Class 86?
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As the Labour lead has increased since Rishi Sunak gave everyone £9,000, a bag of second hand salt, and a tiny inflatable plastic wildebeest, one has to wonder what would have happened if he had NOT been so generous. Would the Labour lead be 20 points plus? Or have the voters just banked the money and decided, Well, the Tories are mad spaffing socialists, I might as well support Labour - ie, would the Tories be doing better if they were meaner and more Tory?
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Former Downing Street aide willing to share messages from PM's wife about alleged lockdown gathering in flat with Privileges Committee
Carrie Johnson said to texted that 'the gay boys' were with her in the flat
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So they’re doing 15-20% of a proper job?MattW said:
Why is providing high quality housing services not a proper job?dixiedean said:Top tip.
Professional landlords. Solve your financial problems by simply getting a proper job.
Houses don't maintain or invest in themselves. Traditionally 15-20% or so of the income goes on maintenance and investment, often done in advance during a full refurbishment with a 10 year+ return period.
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He was a campaigner for expenses transparency though and he wasn't accused of duck house silliness, just a large bill.dixiedean said:
Thing about Wallace is. He may be good. He may not. The only job he's had is Defence. It's ridiculously low profile. Then there's a War. He can't really lose there. He hasn't had a difficult gig in public.wooliedyed said:
My father and I had a discussion on the phone this morning, i brought up Boris and that i think its game over. He's a non voter/occasional Tory (voted Tory 2019 and 2010 but not bothered in 15 or 17 and hadn't voted prior since 92 he tells me, but he always votes for a councillor (of all stripes))rottenborough said:This is a tad worrying, from Cummings, in the UnHerd interview....
"And they actually could get somebody worse: Liz Truss would be even worse than Boris. She’s about as close to properly crackers as anybody I’ve met in Parliament."
Anyway, he is virulently anti Truss (as much as he now despises Johnson)
FWIW, the Woolie's Dad tip is Ben Wallace 'he seems a good bloke'
Hie expenses in 2008 may be an issue too.
Fourth highest trougher in an ultra-competitive field.
Yeah, hed be a risk but, on quick reflection after Dads comments, i think he might be an option as relatively unknown and thus clearer of taint. His military service wont hurt him.
If the Tories want to play safe, stop the LD advance as much as possible, give up some red wall ground (but maybe retain the likes of Bishop Auckland etc) and restrict 2024 to 'at worst' opposition against a minority labour govt they'll go for Hunt0 -
So is she going to be done for lockdown breaking or homophobia?*Scott_xP said:Former Downing Street aide willing to share messages from PM's wife about alleged lockdown gathering in flat with Privileges Committee
Carrie Johnson said to texted that 'the gay boys' were with her in the flat
At that point indoor gatherings were banned https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1531603624840798208/photo/1
*Bizarrely, that became 'no posho is.'0 -
Some SNP types are blaming Unionists for the failure of the census. Could get quite interesting if Sturgeon takes that line too.0
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IMO it isn't a policy thing; it is a leadership thing. Sorry to do a big "toldyaso" (well actually not that sorry), but anyone with the tiniest understanding of leadership understood that Boris Johnson's "style" would catch up with him , and that gradually the electorate, like a slow moving disinterested supertanker, would eventually realise they either have to drop the partying Captain over the side or crash on the rocks.Leon said:As the Labour lead has increased since Rishi Sunak gave everyone £9,000, a bag of second hand salt, and a tiny inflatable plastic wildebeest, one has to wonder what would have happened if he had NOT been so generous. Would the Labour lead be 20 points plus? Or have the voters just banked the money and decided, Well, the Tories are mad spaffing socialists, I might as well support Labour - ie, would the Tories be doing better if they were meaner and more Tory?
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An entirely empty proposal. I hope they are not *that* stupid. Though it is quite possible.TheScreamingEagles said:
I said last week that I'm expecting rent controls next from this government.MaxPB said:
My dad's reaction when he visited us yesterday on the windfall tax "supposedly the party of low taxes", he has voted Tory for 40+ years and was a member for 30+, Boris and Rishi are losing core voters.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, I said this is socialism.tlg86 said:https://order-order.com/2022/05/31/john-mcdonnell-defends-comrade-sunaks-inflationary-cash-splashing-from-labour-criticism/
If Tory MPs weren’t comfortable with Comrade Sunak’s £21 billion cost of living package announced last week, they should check out the bizarre through-the-looking-glass situation on Twitter this morning, as John McDonnell defends the Tory chancellor’s spending plans against attacks from Labour that it might cause greater inflation.
Pretty much sums up where we're at, to be honest.
Mrs Thatcher is spinning in her grave.
Every time I look at the data PRS rents are increasing far more slowly than inflation.
AIUI Scotland is currently p*ssing about with ideas for rent control at max CPI + 1%, which will mean setting a norm that will be followed and rents will rise faster under the authority of Government guidance.
Of course such a proposal will not be applied to the Social Rented sector, where rents *do* increase far faster than inflation.
One problem is that the people constantly maundering on about it in the media usually have sh*t where their brains used to be.
Here, for example, is a normal quality wazzock-brained piece in the Guardian making claims about rental levels based on *advertised* rates for *new* tenancies on Rightmove. Never mind that these may not be achieved, or that normal practice is to keep rental increases minimal or zero during a tenancy because a change of tenant is damned expensive - costs 3-12 months rent, and good tenants are like gold.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/jan/27/private-rents-in-britain-rise-at-fastest-rate-on-record
The rental regulation bureaucracy does need culling though - it costs hundreds of millions a year in overheads, which ultimately are paid for by tenants.0 -
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When in power, labour can be relied on to be labour.Leon said:As the Labour lead has increased since Rishi Sunak gave everyone £9,000, a bag of second hand salt, and a tiny inflatable plastic wildebeest, one has to wonder what would have happened if he had NOT been so generous. Would the Labour lead be 20 points plus? Or have the voters just banked the money and decided, Well, the Tories are mad spaffing socialists, I might as well support Labour - ie, would the Tories be doing better if they were meaner and more Tory?
It is certainly possible
The tories, by their actions over the last two and half years, cannot be relied to on be anything. From the moment they adopted the Chinese Communist Party policy of lockdown, on top of the Maoist arbitrary hard target of Net Zero by 2050 At All Costs, they were finished.
And I think they are finished. Not just now, and not just for a generation. For ever.
How could they ever sell themselves to the electorate as anything again? It would be like Hal the computer in A Space Odyssey telling Dave he was alright now.
I'm feeling much better now voters. I favour low taxation. I favour personal responsibility. I want a small state and fiscal discipline. I want law and order. Mr sThatcher is my heroine. All as the voters shut the whole thing down.
A new party/brand on the right will have to replace them.
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