Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
I don’t know what to make of Get Carter. I know it’s popular now (was it when it came out?)
Tell me what to make of it? Typical of it’s time sexploitation stuff or something more worthy?
Arguably the best British gangster film of all time. Watch it tonight. It is probably on Netflix or one of the others, and there is nothing much on telly.
Much thought the idea of returning to imperial units makes me, at best, do a double-take - my inner child would thoroughly enjoy buying 'a quarter of jelly babies' again.
Aiui that is the point. All that will happen is that shopkeepers will be allowed to sell apples by the pound and jelly babies by the quarter. No-one is asking Ford to rejig all their machine tools for the British market (well, apart from putting the steering wheel in front of the driver instead of the front passenger like on the continent). And, confession time, I buy apples and bananas in 8s because that is how many Sainsbury's put in the bag.
You plutocratic bastard, buying bagged bananas. weigh 8 loose bananas next time and see how much money you are spaffing away.
You buy bananas?
Luxury.
In our house we have the kids steal them, and then we pay them 20 pence in the pound for them for their pocket money.
Imperial measurements are just another way to make the UK a less competitive place to do business.
No company is going to make special products in imperial.
Have you ever been to the US?
The US is huge, we are tiny.
You said no company is going to make special products in imperial, but they already do make products in imperial for the US market. Allowing them to be sold here doesn't make the UK less competitive.
Beer is sold in pints in the UK... It's just labeled as 560 ml (or some such,).
Given the inflation situation wouldn't now be the ideal moment to introduce a whole new system of measurements so as to confuse people?
A Boris of ale?
I do like the idea of a Corbett - which is 5 feet.
Someone (perhaps MoonRabbit?) remarked earlier today how out of date the policies on Blair's pledge card seemed. The Tories are determined to take us back to the Seventies in semmingly endless inventive ways. Bring back Why Don't You?
Because the only good thing about why dont you was there suggestion you turned off the tv and didnt watch it?
It was me. It showed how times and priorities change.
Nothing about immigration on Blair promise card, I remember a Matt cartoon with Labour candidate with head in ground and Matt tells wife (as it’s him he;s drawing) told you not to mention immigration.
Whilst Blair was winning elections big he was fucking up.
No wonder he can’t sleep at night.
I suspect he has bigger worries on his mind than immigration being why he cant sleep like all those he murdered in iraq
Tony Blair enabled Brexit 🙂
“Rather than fear globalisation we should embrace its opportunities”
He also wrecked the structure of the United Kingdom and transformed the SNP into a major electoral force.
His leadership transpired to be truly transformational - but possibly not in the manner than he intended.
The Poll Tax was what really started the SNP going, once people realised what the Tories were up to. Blair, arguably, *delayed* matters with devolution.
I’m not sure I’ve been to a more immediately appealing city
Did you take a midnight train to get there?
Midnight plane from Athens. Arrived dawn. Am knackered but consoling myself with delicious cold Georgian wine at £2 a glass
It’s also absurdly easy to get in. Show your vax status - takes 30 seconds - no visa required. Nothing. You’re in. And you can stay for a year
Also, they are REALLY grateful for our help with Ukraine. There are probably more England flags than Ukrainian
It's no coincidence that those closest to Russia best understand what's at stake in this war.
Best for the entire world that it ends as quickly as possible, in a Russian defeat.
Whilst that is correct, there is no way of reaching that endpoint swiftly.
It is a bit like saying we need to eliminate world hunger swiftly by making sure everyone is fed. Well, no-one disputes it, but without a practical means of achieving it, then it is just vapour.
So, as in most problems, it is a trade-off. There is huge damage that is done by the ongoing war (to Ukraine and the wider world, some poor countries will soon be in real food difficulties) and there is huge damage that is done by finding an unpalatable compromise and rewarding the original violence.
The war was far worse than conceding the original plebiscites under Minsk. If Ukraine had lost the plebiscites (arguable, in fact, as @rcs1000 has pointed out), it would at most have lost the whole of the Donbas.
The war will unfortunately end with Ukraine losing all the Donbas and a swathe of southern Ukraine. There is no way that Putin (or any likely successor) will give up the water supply to the Crimea, or the land corridor to the Crimea, or the Crimea itself.
Wars often end with the bad guys winning. Violence is often rewarded. The recent histories of Palestine, Cyprus, Ireland & Tibet show exactly that.
The script for the Ukraine War was not written in Hollywood ...
As @Dura_Ace predicted, the Russian army will grind out a slow, remorseless, destructive victory of sorts.
It ends with a de facto annexation of some of East Ukraine, and destabilisation of the rest of Ukraine.
Our very own Jeremy Corbyn said on day one that the only certainty was that this war -if it happens -is going to end in a negotiated settlement. 'Why not save thousands of lives and have the negotiation now without the war'. It might sound simplistic but if the Russians prevail it will sound like the most sane thing he has ever said.
Because, you stupid appeasing c*nt, wherever Russia has taken territory it has raped the women wholesale, tortured and slaughtered many civilians, dragged thousands off to Siberia, and liquidated the intelligentsia.
You cannot ‘negotiate’ with this. You fight
I am sure atrocities have been committed by the Russian side, but at this point it's impossible to verify most what we're hearing, as it comes from a Ukrainian side desperate for greater Western intervention, reported unquestioningly by a Western media anxious to be supportive.
Total bollocks, russian forces have form for this long before ukraine, if someone is a serial rapist we take there protestation they are innocent with huge pinches of salt and thats before we look at the fact that a lot of those bodies in mass graves have been shown to have predated the russian retreats.....stop making excuses for evil
Yes they do - they are brutal, destructive, ignorant invaders. However, there have also been false allegations. It's a horrible situation, but when a Government lies in order to inveigle my country into a potential nuclear conflict, my sympathy evaporates fairly fast.
There is no evidence ukraine has lied
Yeah, that Jack Russell really has dug up 200 mines.
I was talking of course about atrocities not silly propaganda stories like Jack russells or the ghost of kyiv.
So they'd make up 'silly propaganda stories', but definitely not make up big things that could actually command the news agenda and push the overton window?
We had the maternity hospital attack, in which in transpired that (tragically) three people lost their lives.
We had the theatre attack where there were alleged to be over a thousand buried in the rubble, then it got very vague and mealy mouthed. There's an interesting on the ground report here, it's Iranian, and I can't and don't vouch for the slant, but he tries to be balanced, and I don't think any Western agencies are now on the ground. It appears that casualties actually sit in the low 10s. Still a tragedy, but nothing like what has been portrayed. How can you miscount by 1000 people? https://www.presstv.co.uk/Detail/2022/05/22/682520/Mariupol-Drama-Theatre-bombing-Ukraine-Russia-conflict-
These things aren't scrutinised or questioned, we just get the outrage, then forget it and move to the next atrocity.
I would urge you, please, to think about who PressTV are and what their agenda is.
I know who PressTV are, and I mentioned their likely slant it in my post. No Western media outlet would ever cast doubt on anything said by the Ukraine authorities - let's not forget that we were recently treated to a BBC newsreader giving us a whitewashing (an unfortunate term in the circumstances) of the Azov Brigade, who are such nice chaps, they're on the USA list of proscribed terrorist groups for their neo-Nazi ideology. So asking for a 'reputable' news outlet just guarantees the same slant - it's a self-fulfilling ordinance.
Regardless of slant, it's interesting to see someone wander the building - not exactly the way you'd expect things to be if the Russians were attempting to hide a massacre. Even if they'd spirited away the bodies, the evidence of what happened would be pretty clear.
The AP report also managed to find not a single person who didn't insist that 100 people died in a field kitchen outside the building. But the PressTV guy bumped into one on the street, indicating it's not that difficult.
The bottom line is that either the building was crammed with 1000 to 1200 people, the vast majority of whom would now be dead, with severely decomposed bodies, with distressed families missing them, with identities etc., or there were few to no people inside the building, hence no rooms full of mangled bodies, no blood everywhere, no relatives, etc.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
Is Get Carter the film with the barman with the extra finger?
Yes, before decimalisation innit.
He walks into the Victoria Comet opposite Newcastle Station. You can still do that, but it'll be a damn sight less smoky. How about smoking in pubs as a pre-election bribe?
Intriguingly, the actual book is set in ... guess
1970-1?
LOL
Hartlepool I was going to say, but now not sure. but the final beach scene of the film is shot near Hartlepool
I'll tell you one thing - if the Tories lose the by-election in Tiverton and Honiton, it won't be for lack of supporters trying to keep the seat. Totnes and Torbay alone sent 40 or so foot-soldiers today.
Observations from door-knocking: Boris has clearly lost the Conservatives some support, but less than I might have expected. Only one person raised Neil's porn antics - and they were still voting Conservative. Much of the dissatisfaction is likely to stay home than go across to the LibDems.
I may have had an utterly unrepresentative sample of voters, but would advise not to put your house on a LibDem win.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
I don’t know what to make of Get Carter. I know it’s popular now (was it when it came out?)
Tell me what to make of it? Typical of it’s time sexploitation stuff or something more worthy?
bit more than that, from memory, or I wouldn't have ordered it. more later.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Yep, taxes will remain high for the foreseeable. Liar has given the go-ahead for Labour to be more expansive in the tax and spend game. Real visionary policies could be in the offing. Will they take the aggressive approach or be timid?
I fully expect a wealth tax, 2nd home tax, IHT threshold cut, and NI++ to get increased for starters.
Well if that is Starmer's offering there will be plenty of candidates to be Conservative Leader of the Opposition
If you want to avoid that scenario campaign to get Boris out otherwise say goodbye to your inheritance
Added to a wealth tax, 2nd home tax and reversing the most popular tax policy of this century, Osborne's inheritance tax cut, plus NI rises on average earners Labour would likely be out after a term anyway
I wouldn't bet on it
It would be as bad a platform as the the 1974 to 1979 Wilson government with strikes most likely on top, while having the high inflation of that period which also plagued the Heath government of 1970 to 1974 to cope with too
In the meantime your inheritance is under threat
Maybe you need to campaign for a conservative 24 win rather than see Boris as something he isnt
Any government which reversed Osborne's inheritance tax cut would likely lose, it would be even more unpopular than May's dementia tax.
Better to win or lose with Boris and take the hit in 2024 and if necessary rebuild under a new leader in opposition than scrape a 1992 style win under a new leader and then face landslide defeat a la 1997 at the election after and be out for a generation and with Boris and his supporters as bitter as Thatcher and her supporters were from 1990 to 2005 after her toppling.
Not that there is any evidence an alternative Tory leader would poll any better v Starmer than Boris now anyway
I'm genuinely amazed to hear that Boris is as treasured in Tory hearts as Maggie. Yes, there will always be a few somewhat oddball leader worshippers (even Ed Miliband got that), but I got the impression that most Tories regard Boris as a complete crook - and bungling one at that - and there'll be a collective sigh of relief when he finally buggers off.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
I don’t know what to make of Get Carter. I know it’s popular now (was it when it came out?)
Tell me what to make of it? Typical of it’s time sexploitation stuff or something more worthy?
It's bleakly violent. Tarantino cites it as a major influence. Think one of his set in 1971 Newcastle. Michael Caine's second best role. After Muppet's Christmas Carol of course.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Yep, taxes will remain high for the foreseeable. Liar has given the go-ahead for Labour to be more expansive in the tax and spend game. Real visionary policies could be in the offing. Will they take the aggressive approach or be timid?
I fully expect a wealth tax, 2nd home tax, IHT threshold cut, and NI++ to get increased for starters.
Well if that is Starmer's offering there will be plenty of candidates to be Conservative Leader of the Opposition
If you want to avoid that scenario campaign to get Boris out otherwise say goodbye to your inheritance
Added to a wealth tax, 2nd home tax and reversing the most popular tax policy of this century, Osborne's inheritance tax cut, plus NI rises on average earners Labour would likely be out after a term anyway
I wouldn't bet on it
It would be as bad a platform as the the 1974 to 1979 Wilson government with strikes most likely on top, while having the high inflation of that period which also plagued the Heath government of 1970 to 1974 to cope with too
In the meantime your inheritance is under threat
Maybe you need to campaign for a conservative 24 win rather than see Boris as something he isnt
Any government which reversed Osborne's inheritance tax cut would likely lose, it would be even more unpopular than May's dementia tax.
Better to win or lose with Boris and take the hit in 2024 and if necessary rebuild under a new leader in opposition than scrape a 1992 style win under a new leader and then face landslide defeat a la 1997 at the election after and be out for a generation and with Boris and his supporters as bitter as Thatcher and her supporters were from 1990 to 2005 after her toppling.
Not that there is any evidence an alternative Tory leader would poll any better v Starmer than Boris now anyway
I'm genuinely amazed to hear that Boris is as treasured in Tory hearts as Maggie. Yes, there will always be a few somewhat oddball leader worshippers (even Ed Miliband got that), but I got the impression that most Tories regard Boris as a complete crook - and bungling one at that - and there'll be a collective sigh of relief when he finally buggers off.
I doubt he is I liked maggie...didnt always agree with her but she was straight...could vote tory and know what you were getting....Boris is just a fatuous cockwomble and have no idea where his mind is as or even if he has one.
I'll tell you one thing - if the Tories lose the by-election in Tiverton and Honiton, it won't be for lack of supporters trying to keep the seat. Totnes and Torbay alone sent 40 or so foot-soldiers today.
Observations from door-knocking: Boris has clearly lost the Conservatives some support, but less than I might have expected. Only one person raised Neil's porn antics - and they were still voting Conservative. Much of the dissatisfaction is likely to stay home than go across to the LibDems.
I may have had an utterly unrepresentative sample of voters, but would advise not to put your house on a LibDem win.
Thanks for the feedback Mark. Did you have a feel for the LD activity? Posters, leaflets, canvassers, activists. Are you getting much help from further afield?
The first handful of LibDem posters were up in the centre of Honiton. Otherwise no obvious sign of political activity yet.
I’m not sure I’ve been to a more immediately appealing city
Did you take a midnight train to get there?
Midnight plane from Athens. Arrived dawn. Am knackered but consoling myself with delicious cold Georgian wine at £2 a glass
It’s also absurdly easy to get in. Show your vax status - takes 30 seconds - no visa required. Nothing. You’re in. And you can stay for a year
Also, they are REALLY grateful for our help with Ukraine. There are probably more England flags than Ukrainian
It's no coincidence that those closest to Russia best understand what's at stake in this war.
Best for the entire world that it ends as quickly as possible, in a Russian defeat.
Whilst that is correct, there is no way of reaching that endpoint swiftly.
It is a bit like saying we need to eliminate world hunger swiftly by making sure everyone is fed. Well, no-one disputes it, but without a practical means of achieving it, then it is just vapour.
So, as in most problems, it is a trade-off. There is huge damage that is done by the ongoing war (to Ukraine and the wider world, some poor countries will soon be in real food difficulties) and there is huge damage that is done by finding an unpalatable compromise and rewarding the original violence.
The war was far worse than conceding the original plebiscites under Minsk. If Ukraine had lost the plebiscites (arguable, in fact, as @rcs1000 has pointed out), it would at most have lost the whole of the Donbas.
The war will unfortunately end with Ukraine losing all the Donbas and a swathe of southern Ukraine. There is no way that Putin (or any likely successor) will give up the water supply to the Crimea, or the land corridor to the Crimea, or the Crimea itself.
Wars often end with the bad guys winning. Violence is often rewarded. The recent histories of Palestine, Cyprus, Ireland & Tibet show exactly that.
The script for the Ukraine War was not written in Hollywood ...
As @Dura_Ace predicted, the Russian army will grind out a slow, remorseless, destructive victory of sorts.
It ends with a de facto annexation of some of East Ukraine, and destabilisation of the rest of Ukraine.
Our very own Jeremy Corbyn said on day one that the only certainty was that this war -if it happens -is going to end in a negotiated settlement. 'Why not save thousands of lives and have the negotiation now without the war'. It might sound simplistic but if the Russians prevail it will sound like the most sane thing he has ever said.
Because, you stupid appeasing c*nt, wherever Russia has taken territory it has raped the women wholesale, tortured and slaughtered many civilians, dragged thousands off to Siberia, and liquidated the intelligentsia.
You cannot ‘negotiate’ with this. You fight
I am sure atrocities have been committed by the Russian side, but at this point it's impossible to verify most what we're hearing, as it comes from a Ukrainian side desperate for greater Western intervention, reported unquestioningly by a Western media anxious to be supportive.
Total bollocks, russian forces have form for this long before ukraine, if someone is a serial rapist we take there protestation they are innocent with huge pinches of salt and thats before we look at the fact that a lot of those bodies in mass graves have been shown to have predated the russian retreats.....stop making excuses for evil
Yes they do - they are brutal, destructive, ignorant invaders. However, there have also been false allegations. It's a horrible situation, but when a Government lies in order to inveigle my country into a potential nuclear conflict, my sympathy evaporates fairly fast.
There is no evidence ukraine has lied
Yeah, that Jack Russell really has dug up 200 mines.
I was talking of course about atrocities not silly propaganda stories like Jack russells or the ghost of kyiv.
So they'd make up 'silly propaganda stories', but definitely not make up big things that could actually command the news agenda and push the overton window?
We had the maternity hospital attack, in which in transpired that (tragically) three people lost their lives.
We had the theatre attack where there were alleged to be over a thousand buried in the rubble, then it got very vague and mealy mouthed. There's an interesting on the ground report here, it's Iranian, and I can't and don't vouch for the slant, but he tries to be balanced, and I don't think any Western agencies are now on the ground. It appears that casualties actually sit in the low 10s. Still a tragedy, but nothing like what has been portrayed. How can you miscount by 1000 people? https://www.presstv.co.uk/Detail/2022/05/22/682520/Mariupol-Drama-Theatre-bombing-Ukraine-Russia-conflict-
These things aren't scrutinised or questioned, we just get the outrage, then forget it and move to the next atrocity.
I would urge you, please, to think about who PressTV are and what their agenda is.
I know who PressTV are, and I mentioned their likely slant it in my post. No Western media outlet would ever cast doubt on anything said by the Ukraine authorities - let's not forget that we were recently treated to a BBC newsreader giving us a whitewashing (an unfortunate term in the circumstances) of the Azov Brigade, who are such nice chaps, they're on the USA list of proscribed terrorist groups for their neo-Nazi ideology. So asking for a 'reputable' news outlet just guarantees the same slant - it's a self-fulfilling ordinance.
Regardless of slant, it's interesting to see someone wander the building - not exactly the way you'd expect things to be if the Russians were attempting to hide a massacre. Even if they'd spirited away the bodies, the evidence of what happened would be pretty clear.
The AP report also managed to find not a single person who didn't insist that 100 people died in a field kitchen outside the building. But the PressTV guy bumped into one on the street, indicating it's not that difficult.
The bottom line is that either the building was crammed with 1000 to 1200 people, the vast majority of whom would now be dead, with severely decomposed bodies, with distressed families missing them, with identities etc., or there were few to no people inside the building, hence no rooms full of mangled bodies, no blood everywhere, no relatives, etc.
I've no idea whether the Ukrainians were lying or telling the truth regards the number of people in the building. I doubt the Azov battalion are a bunch of choirboys but so what? If your country is invaded you need all the help you can get.
None of this changes the fundamentals of the war. Russia has launched a barbaric act of aggression, rubbled cities, killed maimed raped or deported thousands of people and blockaded Odesa threatening a global famine. Everything else is nitpicking and one must wonder at your motives for focusing on such things.
Someone (perhaps MoonRabbit?) remarked earlier today how out of date the policies on Blair's pledge card seemed. The Tories are determined to take us back to the Seventies in semmingly endless inventive ways. Bring back Why Don't You?
Because the only good thing about why dont you was there suggestion you turned off the tv and didnt watch it?
It was me. It showed how times and priorities change.
Nothing about immigration on Blair promise card, I remember a Matt cartoon with Labour candidate with head in ground and Matt tells wife (as it’s him he;s drawing) told you not to mention immigration.
Whilst Blair was winning elections big he was fucking up.
No wonder he can’t sleep at night.
I suspect he has bigger worries on his mind than immigration being why he cant sleep like all those he murdered in iraq
Tony Blair enabled Brexit 🙂
“Rather than fear globalisation we should embrace its opportunities”
He also wrecked the structure of the United Kingdom and transformed the SNP into a major electoral force.
His leadership transpired to be truly transformational - but possibly not in the manner than he intended.
The Poll Tax was what really started the SNP going, once people realised what the Tories were up to. Blair, arguably, *delayed* matters with devolution.
The key problem with devolution is the way that it was structured. Failing either to replace Barnett or resolve the WLQ was bad enough; creating a government with huge legislative competence but virtually no responsibility for raising revenue was even worse.
Let's leave to one side whether or not you think it was a good idea and just assume that it was. The execution of the scheme itself nevertheless looks like the work of negligent, perhaps even mindless, vandals.
I’m not sure I’ve been to a more immediately appealing city
Did you take a midnight train to get there?
Midnight plane from Athens. Arrived dawn. Am knackered but consoling myself with delicious cold Georgian wine at £2 a glass
It’s also absurdly easy to get in. Show your vax status - takes 30 seconds - no visa required. Nothing. You’re in. And you can stay for a year
Also, they are REALLY grateful for our help with Ukraine. There are probably more England flags than Ukrainian
It's no coincidence that those closest to Russia best understand what's at stake in this war.
Best for the entire world that it ends as quickly as possible, in a Russian defeat.
Whilst that is correct, there is no way of reaching that endpoint swiftly.
It is a bit like saying we need to eliminate world hunger swiftly by making sure everyone is fed. Well, no-one disputes it, but without a practical means of achieving it, then it is just vapour.
So, as in most problems, it is a trade-off. There is huge damage that is done by the ongoing war (to Ukraine and the wider world, some poor countries will soon be in real food difficulties) and there is huge damage that is done by finding an unpalatable compromise and rewarding the original violence.
The war was far worse than conceding the original plebiscites under Minsk. If Ukraine had lost the plebiscites (arguable, in fact, as @rcs1000 has pointed out), it would at most have lost the whole of the Donbas.
The war will unfortunately end with Ukraine losing all the Donbas and a swathe of southern Ukraine. There is no way that Putin (or any likely successor) will give up the water supply to the Crimea, or the land corridor to the Crimea, or the Crimea itself.
Wars often end with the bad guys winning. Violence is often rewarded. The recent histories of Palestine, Cyprus, Ireland & Tibet show exactly that.
The script for the Ukraine War was not written in Hollywood ...
As @Dura_Ace predicted, the Russian army will grind out a slow, remorseless, destructive victory of sorts.
It ends with a de facto annexation of some of East Ukraine, and destabilisation of the rest of Ukraine.
Our very own Jeremy Corbyn said on day one that the only certainty was that this war -if it happens -is going to end in a negotiated settlement. 'Why not save thousands of lives and have the negotiation now without the war'. It might sound simplistic but if the Russians prevail it will sound like the most sane thing he has ever said.
Because, you stupid appeasing c*nt, wherever Russia has taken territory it has raped the women wholesale, tortured and slaughtered many civilians, dragged thousands off to Siberia, and liquidated the intelligentsia.
You cannot ‘negotiate’ with this. You fight
I am sure atrocities have been committed by the Russian side, but at this point it's impossible to verify most what we're hearing, as it comes from a Ukrainian side desperate for greater Western intervention, reported unquestioningly by a Western media anxious to be supportive.
Total bollocks, russian forces have form for this long before ukraine, if someone is a serial rapist we take there protestation they are innocent with huge pinches of salt and thats before we look at the fact that a lot of those bodies in mass graves have been shown to have predated the russian retreats.....stop making excuses for evil
Yes they do - they are brutal, destructive, ignorant invaders. However, there have also been false allegations. It's a horrible situation, but when a Government lies in order to inveigle my country into a potential nuclear conflict, my sympathy evaporates fairly fast.
There is no evidence ukraine has lied
Yeah, that Jack Russell really has dug up 200 mines.
I was talking of course about atrocities not silly propaganda stories like Jack russells or the ghost of kyiv.
So they'd make up 'silly propaganda stories', but definitely not make up big things that could actually command the news agenda and push the overton window?
We had the maternity hospital attack, in which in transpired that (tragically) three people lost their lives.
We had the theatre attack where there were alleged to be over a thousand buried in the rubble, then it got very vague and mealy mouthed. There's an interesting on the ground report here, it's Iranian, and I can't and don't vouch for the slant, but he tries to be balanced, and I don't think any Western agencies are now on the ground. It appears that casualties actually sit in the low 10s. Still a tragedy, but nothing like what has been portrayed. How can you miscount by 1000 people? https://www.presstv.co.uk/Detail/2022/05/22/682520/Mariupol-Drama-Theatre-bombing-Ukraine-Russia-conflict-
These things aren't scrutinised or questioned, we just get the outrage, then forget it and move to the next atrocity.
I would urge you, please, to think about who PressTV are and what their agenda is.
I know who PressTV are, and I mentioned their likely slant it in my post. No Western media outlet would ever cast doubt on anything said by the Ukraine authorities - let's not forget that we were recently treated to a BBC newsreader giving us a whitewashing (an unfortunate term in the circumstances) of the Azov Brigade, who are such nice chaps, they're on the USA list of proscribed terrorist groups for their neo-Nazi ideology. So asking for a 'reputable' news outlet just guarantees the same slant - it's a self-fulfilling ordinance.
Regardless of slant, it's interesting to see someone wander the building - not exactly the way you'd expect things to be if the Russians were attempting to hide a massacre. Even if they'd spirited away the bodies, the evidence of what happened would be pretty clear.
The AP report also managed to find not a single person who didn't insist that 100 people died in a field kitchen outside the building. But the PressTV guy bumped into one on the street, indicating it's not that difficult.
The bottom line is that either the building was crammed with 1000 to 1200 people, the vast majority of whom would now be dead, with severely decomposed bodies, with distressed families missing them, with identities etc., or there were few to no people inside the building, hence no rooms full of mangled bodies, no blood everywhere, no relatives, etc.
I've no idea whether the Ukrainians were lying or telling the truth regards the number of people in the building. I doubt the Azov battalion are a bunch of choirboys but so what? If your country is invaded you need all the help you can get.
None of this changes the fundamentals of the war. Russia has launched a barbaric act of aggression, rubbled cities, killed maimed raped or deported thousands of people and blockaded Odesa threatening a global famine. Everything else is nitpicking and one must wonder at your motives for focusing on such things.
People dont call him Putinguy for no reason just saying
Someone (perhaps MoonRabbit?) remarked earlier today how out of date the policies on Blair's pledge card seemed. The Tories are determined to take us back to the Seventies in semmingly endless inventive ways. Bring back Why Don't You?
Because the only good thing about why dont you was there suggestion you turned off the tv and didnt watch it?
It was me. It showed how times and priorities change.
Nothing about immigration on Blair promise card, I remember a Matt cartoon with Labour candidate with head in ground and Matt tells wife (as it’s him he;s drawing) told you not to mention immigration.
Whilst Blair was winning elections big he was fucking up.
No wonder he can’t sleep at night.
I suspect he has bigger worries on his mind than immigration being why he cant sleep like all those he murdered in iraq
Tony Blair enabled Brexit 🙂
“Rather than fear globalisation we should embrace its opportunities”
He also wrecked the structure of the United Kingdom and transformed the SNP into a major electoral force.
His leadership transpired to be truly transformational - but possibly not in the manner than he intended.
The Poll Tax was what really started the SNP going, once people realised what the Tories were up to. Blair, arguably, *delayed* matters with devolution.
The key problem with devolution is the way that it was structured. Failing either to replace Barnett or resolve the WLQ was bad enough; creating a government with huge legislative competence but virtually no responsibility for raising revenue was even worse.
Let's leave to one side whether or not you think it was a good idea and just assume that it was. The execution of the scheme itself nevertheless looks like the work of negligent, perhaps even mindless, vandals.
It's worth remembering, come to think of it, that Mr Blair tried to suppress the revenue raising completely with his unprecedented second question - though the Scots voted for that as well.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
Is Get Carter the film with the barman with the extra finger?
Yes, before decimalisation innit.
He walks into the Victoria Comet opposite Newcastle Station. You can still do that, but it'll be a damn sight less smoky. How about smoking in pubs as a pre-election bribe?
Intriguingly, the actual book is set in ... guess
1970-1?
LOL
Hartlepool I was going to say, but now not sure. but the final beach scene of the film is shot near Hartlepool
Just read that it's half at Blackhall beach, Hartlepool way. And half at Cambois near Blyth which I walk to often. Didn't know that.
I’m not sure I’ve been to a more immediately appealing city
Did you take a midnight train to get there?
Midnight plane from Athens. Arrived dawn. Am knackered but consoling myself with delicious cold Georgian wine at £2 a glass
It’s also absurdly easy to get in. Show your vax status - takes 30 seconds - no visa required. Nothing. You’re in. And you can stay for a year
Also, they are REALLY grateful for our help with Ukraine. There are probably more England flags than Ukrainian
It's no coincidence that those closest to Russia best understand what's at stake in this war.
Best for the entire world that it ends as quickly as possible, in a Russian defeat.
Whilst that is correct, there is no way of reaching that endpoint swiftly.
It is a bit like saying we need to eliminate world hunger swiftly by making sure everyone is fed. Well, no-one disputes it, but without a practical means of achieving it, then it is just vapour.
So, as in most problems, it is a trade-off. There is huge damage that is done by the ongoing war (to Ukraine and the wider world, some poor countries will soon be in real food difficulties) and there is huge damage that is done by finding an unpalatable compromise and rewarding the original violence.
The war was far worse than conceding the original plebiscites under Minsk. If Ukraine had lost the plebiscites (arguable, in fact, as @rcs1000 has pointed out), it would at most have lost the whole of the Donbas.
The war will unfortunately end with Ukraine losing all the Donbas and a swathe of southern Ukraine. There is no way that Putin (or any likely successor) will give up the water supply to the Crimea, or the land corridor to the Crimea, or the Crimea itself.
Wars often end with the bad guys winning. Violence is often rewarded. The recent histories of Palestine, Cyprus, Ireland & Tibet show exactly that.
The script for the Ukraine War was not written in Hollywood ...
As @Dura_Ace predicted, the Russian army will grind out a slow, remorseless, destructive victory of sorts.
It ends with a de facto annexation of some of East Ukraine, and destabilisation of the rest of Ukraine.
Our very own Jeremy Corbyn said on day one that the only certainty was that this war -if it happens -is going to end in a negotiated settlement. 'Why not save thousands of lives and have the negotiation now without the war'. It might sound simplistic but if the Russians prevail it will sound like the most sane thing he has ever said.
Because, you stupid appeasing c*nt, wherever Russia has taken territory it has raped the women wholesale, tortured and slaughtered many civilians, dragged thousands off to Siberia, and liquidated the intelligentsia.
You cannot ‘negotiate’ with this. You fight
I am sure atrocities have been committed by the Russian side, but at this point it's impossible to verify most what we're hearing, as it comes from a Ukrainian side desperate for greater Western intervention, reported unquestioningly by a Western media anxious to be supportive.
Total bollocks, russian forces have form for this long before ukraine, if someone is a serial rapist we take there protestation they are innocent with huge pinches of salt and thats before we look at the fact that a lot of those bodies in mass graves have been shown to have predated the russian retreats.....stop making excuses for evil
Yes they do - they are brutal, destructive, ignorant invaders. However, there have also been false allegations. It's a horrible situation, but when a Government lies in order to inveigle my country into a potential nuclear conflict, my sympathy evaporates fairly fast.
There is no evidence ukraine has lied
Yeah, that Jack Russell really has dug up 200 mines.
I was talking of course about atrocities not silly propaganda stories like Jack russells or the ghost of kyiv.
So they'd make up 'silly propaganda stories', but definitely not make up big things that could actually command the news agenda and push the overton window?
We had the maternity hospital attack, in which in transpired that (tragically) three people lost their lives.
We had the theatre attack where there were alleged to be over a thousand buried in the rubble, then it got very vague and mealy mouthed. There's an interesting on the ground report here, it's Iranian, and I can't and don't vouch for the slant, but he tries to be balanced, and I don't think any Western agencies are now on the ground. It appears that casualties actually sit in the low 10s. Still a tragedy, but nothing like what has been portrayed. How can you miscount by 1000 people? https://www.presstv.co.uk/Detail/2022/05/22/682520/Mariupol-Drama-Theatre-bombing-Ukraine-Russia-conflict-
These things aren't scrutinised or questioned, we just get the outrage, then forget it and move to the next atrocity.
I would urge you, please, to think about who PressTV are and what their agenda is.
I know who PressTV are, and I mentioned their likely slant it in my post. No Western media outlet would ever cast doubt on anything said by the Ukraine authorities - let's not forget that we were recently treated to a BBC newsreader giving us a whitewashing (an unfortunate term in the circumstances) of the Azov Brigade, who are such nice chaps, they're on the USA list of proscribed terrorist groups for their neo-Nazi ideology. So asking for a 'reputable' news outlet just guarantees the same slant - it's a self-fulfilling ordinance.
Regardless of slant, it's interesting to see someone wander the building - not exactly the way you'd expect things to be if the Russians were attempting to hide a massacre. Even if they'd spirited away the bodies, the evidence of what happened would be pretty clear.
The AP report also managed to find not a single person who didn't insist that 100 people died in a field kitchen outside the building. But the PressTV guy bumped into one on the street, indicating it's not that difficult.
The bottom line is that either the building was crammed with 1000 to 1200 people, the vast majority of whom would now be dead, with severely decomposed bodies, with distressed families missing them, with identities etc., or there were few to no people inside the building, hence no rooms full of mangled bodies, no blood everywhere, no relatives, etc.
I've no idea whether the Ukrainians were lying or telling the truth regards the number of people in the building. I doubt the Azov battalion are a bunch of choirboys but so what? If your country is invaded you need all the help you can get.
None of this changes the fundamentals of the war. Russia has launched a barbaric act of aggression, rubbled cities, killed maimed raped or deported thousands of people and blockaded Odesa threatening a global famine. Everything else is nitpicking and one must wonder at your motives for focusing on such things.
Actually I agree with the vast majority of your post. However, it is not 'nitpicking' when a misleading picture of particular events is used to create a public outcry that leads to consent for escalating a conflict with a nuclear power.
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself. Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction. Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements
So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
That is enough to get the Tories to 35% and thus keep Boris in No 10 until the next general election while also preventing a Labour majority at that election
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself. Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction. Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements
So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
If you drill down into the age and party figures, it's the oldie Tory voters who are swamping the totals. Hardly surprising. Perhaps they have hoards of old pennies and halfpennies in a bottle somewhere.... like the garden shed....with an old radio where they listen to Gardener's Question Time and Any Questions on Long Wave, 1500m (edit 1515m since the 80s), like Charters and Caldicott, or even Jacob Rees-Smug...
My dad has £10 and £20 notes in a wallet I laughed where your using them in cashless society 😂
No such thing thankfully here as a cashless society and if you want one all you are doing is handing power to the faceless assholes in whitehall when they can track every penny you spend. Have fun with that
While I have sympathy with that view, the world is changing. An increasing number of shops, restaurants, cafes, etc., here in Los Angeles are card only.
I’m not sure I’ve been to a more immediately appealing city
Did you take a midnight train to get there?
Midnight plane from Athens. Arrived dawn. Am knackered but consoling myself with delicious cold Georgian wine at £2 a glass
It’s also absurdly easy to get in. Show your vax status - takes 30 seconds - no visa required. Nothing. You’re in. And you can stay for a year
Also, they are REALLY grateful for our help with Ukraine. There are probably more England flags than Ukrainian
It's no coincidence that those closest to Russia best understand what's at stake in this war.
Best for the entire world that it ends as quickly as possible, in a Russian defeat.
Whilst that is correct, there is no way of reaching that endpoint swiftly.
It is a bit like saying we need to eliminate world hunger swiftly by making sure everyone is fed. Well, no-one disputes it, but without a practical means of achieving it, then it is just vapour.
So, as in most problems, it is a trade-off. There is huge damage that is done by the ongoing war (to Ukraine and the wider world, some poor countries will soon be in real food difficulties) and there is huge damage that is done by finding an unpalatable compromise and rewarding the original violence.
The war was far worse than conceding the original plebiscites under Minsk. If Ukraine had lost the plebiscites (arguable, in fact, as @rcs1000 has pointed out), it would at most have lost the whole of the Donbas.
The war will unfortunately end with Ukraine losing all the Donbas and a swathe of southern Ukraine. There is no way that Putin (or any likely successor) will give up the water supply to the Crimea, or the land corridor to the Crimea, or the Crimea itself.
Wars often end with the bad guys winning. Violence is often rewarded. The recent histories of Palestine, Cyprus, Ireland & Tibet show exactly that.
The script for the Ukraine War was not written in Hollywood ...
As @Dura_Ace predicted, the Russian army will grind out a slow, remorseless, destructive victory of sorts.
It ends with a de facto annexation of some of East Ukraine, and destabilisation of the rest of Ukraine.
Our very own Jeremy Corbyn said on day one that the only certainty was that this war -if it happens -is going to end in a negotiated settlement. 'Why not save thousands of lives and have the negotiation now without the war'. It might sound simplistic but if the Russians prevail it will sound like the most sane thing he has ever said.
Because, you stupid appeasing c*nt, wherever Russia has taken territory it has raped the women wholesale, tortured and slaughtered many civilians, dragged thousands off to Siberia, and liquidated the intelligentsia.
You cannot ‘negotiate’ with this. You fight
I am sure atrocities have been committed by the Russian side, but at this point it's impossible to verify most what we're hearing, as it comes from a Ukrainian side desperate for greater Western intervention, reported unquestioningly by a Western media anxious to be supportive.
Total bollocks, russian forces have form for this long before ukraine, if someone is a serial rapist we take there protestation they are innocent with huge pinches of salt and thats before we look at the fact that a lot of those bodies in mass graves have been shown to have predated the russian retreats.....stop making excuses for evil
Yes they do - they are brutal, destructive, ignorant invaders. However, there have also been false allegations. It's a horrible situation, but when a Government lies in order to inveigle my country into a potential nuclear conflict, my sympathy evaporates fairly fast.
There is no evidence ukraine has lied
Yeah, that Jack Russell really has dug up 200 mines.
I was talking of course about atrocities not silly propaganda stories like Jack russells or the ghost of kyiv.
So they'd make up 'silly propaganda stories', but definitely not make up big things that could actually command the news agenda and push the overton window?
We had the maternity hospital attack, in which in transpired that (tragically) three people lost their lives.
We had the theatre attack where there were alleged to be over a thousand buried in the rubble, then it got very vague and mealy mouthed. There's an interesting on the ground report here, it's Iranian, and I can't and don't vouch for the slant, but he tries to be balanced, and I don't think any Western agencies are now on the ground. It appears that casualties actually sit in the low 10s. Still a tragedy, but nothing like what has been portrayed. How can you miscount by 1000 people? https://www.presstv.co.uk/Detail/2022/05/22/682520/Mariupol-Drama-Theatre-bombing-Ukraine-Russia-conflict-
These things aren't scrutinised or questioned, we just get the outrage, then forget it and move to the next atrocity.
I would urge you, please, to think about who PressTV are and what their agenda is.
I know who PressTV are, and I mentioned their likely slant it in my post. No Western media outlet would ever cast doubt on anything said by the Ukraine authorities - let's not forget that we were recently treated to a BBC newsreader giving us a whitewashing (an unfortunate term in the circumstances) of the Azov Brigade, who are such nice chaps, they're on the USA list of proscribed terrorist groups for their neo-Nazi ideology. So asking for a 'reputable' news outlet just guarantees the same slant - it's a self-fulfilling ordinance.
Regardless of slant, it's interesting to see someone wander the building - not exactly the way you'd expect things to be if the Russians were attempting to hide a massacre. Even if they'd spirited away the bodies, the evidence of what happened would be pretty clear.
The AP report also managed to find not a single person who didn't insist that 100 people died in a field kitchen outside the building. But the PressTV guy bumped into one on the street, indicating it's not that difficult.
The bottom line is that either the building was crammed with 1000 to 1200 people, the vast majority of whom would now be dead, with severely decomposed bodies, with distressed families missing them, with identities etc., or there were few to no people inside the building, hence no rooms full of mangled bodies, no blood everywhere, no relatives, etc.
I've no idea whether the Ukrainians were lying or telling the truth regards the number of people in the building. I doubt the Azov battalion are a bunch of choirboys but so what? If your country is invaded you need all the help you can get.
None of this changes the fundamentals of the war. Russia has launched a barbaric act of aggression, rubbled cities, killed maimed raped or deported thousands of people and blockaded Odesa threatening a global famine. Everything else is nitpicking and one must wonder at your motives for focusing on such things.
Actually I agree with the vast majority of your post. However, it is not 'nitpicking' when a misleading picture of particular events is used to create a public outcry that leads to consent for escalating a conflict with a nuclear power.
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
A lot of dry goods and groceries are sold as 454g. Ever wondered why?
Much thought the idea of returning to imperial units makes me, at best, do a double-take - my inner child would thoroughly enjoy buying 'a quarter of jelly babies' again.
Aiui that is the point. All that will happen is that shopkeepers will be allowed to sell apples by the pound and jelly babies by the quarter. No-one is asking Ford to rejig all their machine tools for the British market (well, apart from putting the steering wheel in front of the driver instead of the front passenger like on the continent). And, confession time, I buy apples and bananas in 8s because that is how many Sainsbury's put in the bag.
You plutocratic bastard, buying bagged bananas. weigh 8 loose bananas next time and see how much money you are spaffing away.
You buy bananas?
Luxury.
In our house we have the kids steal them, and then we pay them 20 pence in the pound for them for their pocket money.
This is also a key part of their education: when they start their own hedge funds, they will be paid on "two and twenty", i.e. capturing 20% of the upside via fees. And it's important to learn that it doesn't matter how you get the performance... only that you get it.
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
A lot of dry goods and groceries are sold as 454g. Ever wondered why?
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself. Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction. Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements
So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
That is enough to get the Tories to 35% and thus keep Boris in No 10 until the next general election while also preventing a Labour majority at that election
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself. Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction. Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements
So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
If you drill down into the age and party figures, it's the oldie Tory voters who are swamping the totals. Hardly surprising. Perhaps they have hoards of old pennies and halfpennies in a bottle somewhere.... like the garden shed....with an old radio where they listen to Gardener's Question Time and Any Questions on Long Wave, 1500m (edit 1515m since the 80s), like Charters and Caldicott, or even Jacob Rees-Smug...
My dad has £10 and £20 notes in a wallet I laughed where your using them in cashless society 😂
No such thing thankfully here as a cashless society and if you want one all you are doing is handing power to the faceless assholes in whitehall when they can track every penny you spend. Have fun with that
While I have sympathy with that view, the world is changing. An increasing number of shops, restaurants, cafes, etc., here in Los Angeles are card only.
Shortly, they will be contactless payments only.
Many racecourses are now card only, so you can't spend your cash winnings in the bar. For the racecourses, it is more secure and more efficient (meaning fewer jobs).
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
I understand them just fine as I do metric and I didn't even go to university, are you really saying its hard to convert in your head?
But what's the point?
The point is that the law says you *have* to use metric. Getting rid of that obligation is a good thing. It should be up to customers and businesses what they use
Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that
In the pub early for the match, with a thousand other Liverpool fans 3,500 miles away from Merseyside.
“You’ll Never Walk Alone”, means wifey needs to help move you from the pub to the taxi at the end of the night, right?
@TheScreamingEagles has gone over but the silly sod's sitting under an electricity pylon just outside Calais, which someone told him is the Eiffel Tower.
As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
Much thought the idea of returning to imperial units makes me, at best, do a double-take - my inner child would thoroughly enjoy buying 'a quarter of jelly babies' again.
Aiui that is the point. All that will happen is that shopkeepers will be allowed to sell apples by the pound and jelly babies by the quarter. No-one is asking Ford to rejig all their machine tools for the British market (well, apart from putting the steering wheel in front of the driver instead of the front passenger like on the continent). And, confession time, I buy apples and bananas in 8s because that is how many Sainsbury's put in the bag.
You plutocratic bastard, buying bagged bananas. weigh 8 loose bananas next time and see how much money you are spaffing away.
You buy bananas?
Luxury.
In our house we have the kids steal them, and then we pay them 20 pence in the pound for them for their pocket money.
This is also a key part of their education: when they start their own hedge funds, they will be paid on "two and twenty", i.e. capturing 20% of the upside via fees. And it's important to learn that it doesn't matter how you get the performance... only that you get it.
Teach them to start their hedge funds with complex AI/ML algorithms. Then fall back to buy low, sell high when it all goes to cock.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
I must be the only one on here who doesn't drink wine by the litre.
As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
Litres (and half litres) for wine would be great, but doesn't happen. Is there anything more half-arsed than 375 ml of wine? Whereas 500ml, or pint bottles, I could really get behind.
people should be able to sell in any measure with the caveat that other meausure should be shown such as price per 100g . I dont want to shut the young out from being able to make good purchasing decisions
In the pub early for the match, with a thousand other Liverpool fans 3,500 miles away from Merseyside.
“You’ll Never Walk Alone”, means wifey needs to help move you from the pub to the taxi at the end of the night, right?
@TheScreamingEagles has gone over but the silly sod's sitting under an electricity pylon just outside Calais, which someone told him is the Eiffel Tower.
Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that
In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
Litres (and half litres) for wine would be great, but doesn't happen. Is there anything more half-arsed than 375 ml of wine? Whereas 500ml, or pint bottles, I could really get behind.
Wine should only be ever served in steins so it rhymes
As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
Wine is sold in 750 ml bottles, not litres. That's because the litre is a bloody stupid measurement. Petrol is sold in litres, and petrol consumption measured in miles per gallon. See above.
As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
In the pub early for the match, with a thousand other Liverpool fans 3,500 miles away from Merseyside.
“You’ll Never Walk Alone”, means wifey needs to help move you from the pub to the taxi at the end of the night, right?
@TheScreamingEagles has gone over but the silly sod's sitting under an electricity pylon just outside Calais, which someone told him is the Eiffel Tower.
Smugly buffing his nails that such a French icon looks crap.
As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
Wine is sold in 750 ml bottles, not litres. That's because the litre is a bloody stupid measurement. Petrol is sold in litres, and petrol consumption measured in miles per gallon. See above.
actually wine is mostly sold in 70 centilitre bottles which is a metric measurement akin to litres what is it you want it sold in?
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
I can tell you straight off it's dead easy.
1 acre = 4840 square yards = 1 chain x 10 chains = 1 x 10 cricket pitches.
Can't get any more Brexistentialist, with a nod to John Major and the crack of leather on willow as the maiden aunt cycles past the village green on the way to Evensong (strictly C of E only).
Of course have to remember an acre made sense as it was the measure of how much land a man could plow in a day when it came about
With a horse or ox team, yes!
So really one acre is 1 furrow long before the horses get kackered and you have to turn, x 1 cricket pitch. See. @CorrectHorseBattery , it's dead easy!
Say what you like about old measurements they did have a certain reason behind them whereas metric measurements are largely arbitrary
A gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water. Celsius is 1/100 of the temperature change between the freezing point and boiling point of water. A litre is 1kg of water.
These things make perfect sense
actually no they dont because you left out a lot of stuff
a gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water under standard temperature and pressure. Reduce the water temperature to 1% celsius for example and 1 cm^3 of water will weigh more
same with a litre of water weighing 1kg depends on the temperatur and pressure
Celsius the same water boils at a lot lower temperature at the top of everest than at ground level by several tens of degrees.
A man with a team of ox's however ploughs the same amount of land where at 10000 metres or 0 metres
Hang on. All men with oxen are equally capable of ploughing exactly the same area in a day? That would be remarkable, as it applies in no other human endeavour. It's like saying a yard is the length of your arm. It isn't at all.
I thought it was the length of King Henry VIII’s arm?
As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
But the Conservative Party *is* governing for the 45+ age group, since the 70+ age group is a subset of everyone 45 or over
It seems like it cannot shovel enough money at its ageing grey vote
I'm happy for small shops to sell in imperial. I don't want to penalise the prats and those who do it because they are selling an oldie worldie product, eg traditional sweet shop, but I draw the line where it can confuse, so no to Sainsbury's or where measurements matter.
As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
Litres (and half litres) for wine would be great, but doesn't happen. Is there anything more half-arsed than 375 ml of wine? Whereas 500ml, or pint bottles, I could really get behind.
Quarter bottles of champagne are great because it is basically 1 or 2 glasses. You can drink it without getting smashed or having the remainder go flat. Cf prosecco. Cans of champagne might be more environmentally sound.
As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
Wine is sold in 750 ml bottles, not litres. That's because the litre is a bloody stupid measurement. Petrol is sold in litres, and petrol consumption measured in miles per gallon. See above.
actually wine is mostly sold in 70 centilitre bottles which is a metric measurement akin to litres what is it you want it sold in?
*Reviews contents of wine rack*
Where do you live? When did you last buy a bottle of wine?
As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
Wine is sold in 750 ml bottles, not litres. That's because the litre is a bloody stupid measurement. Petrol is sold in litres, and petrol consumption measured in miles per gallon. See above.
actually wine is mostly sold in 70 centilitre bottles which is a metric measurement akin to litres what is it you want it sold in?
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
I understand them just fine as I do metric and I didn't even go to university, are you really saying its hard to convert in your head?
The inch and other imperial units are now defined in terms of metric units, so the inch is now precisely 25.4mm
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
I can tell you straight off it's dead easy.
1 acre = 4840 square yards = 1 chain x 10 chains = 1 x 10 cricket pitches.
Can't get any more Brexistentialist, with a nod to John Major and the crack of leather on willow as the maiden aunt cycles past the village green on the way to Evensong (strictly C of E only).
Of course have to remember an acre made sense as it was the measure of how much land a man could plow in a day when it came about
With a horse or ox team, yes!
So really one acre is 1 furrow long before the horses get kackered and you have to turn, x 1 cricket pitch. See. @CorrectHorseBattery , it's dead easy!
Say what you like about old measurements they did have a certain reason behind them whereas metric measurements are largely arbitrary
A gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water. Celsius is 1/100 of the temperature change between the freezing point and boiling point of water. A litre is 1kg of water.
These things make perfect sense
actually no they dont because you left out a lot of stuff
a gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water under standard temperature and pressure. Reduce the water temperature to 1% celsius for example and 1 cm^3 of water will weigh more
same with a litre of water weighing 1kg depends on the temperatur and pressure
Celsius the same water boils at a lot lower temperature at the top of everest than at ground level by several tens of degrees.
A man with a team of ox's however ploughs the same amount of land where at 10000 metres or 0 metres
Hang on. All men with oxen are equally capable of ploughing exactly the same area in a day? That would be remarkable, as it applies in no other human endeavour. It's like saying a yard is the length of your arm. It isn't at all.
I thought it was the length of King Henry VIII’s arm?
I think its based on an averaage probaby....if you ploughed less without a good reason you werent a good ploughman.....no different to aptitude tests for jobs today
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself. Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction. Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements
So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
That is enough to get the Tories to 35% and thus keep Boris in No 10 until the next general election while also preventing a Labour majority at that election
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself. Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction. Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements
So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
If you drill down into the age and party figures, it's the oldie Tory voters who are swamping the totals. Hardly surprising. Perhaps they have hoards of old pennies and halfpennies in a bottle somewhere.... like the garden shed....with an old radio where they listen to Gardener's Question Time and Any Questions on Long Wave, 1500m (edit 1515m since the 80s), like Charters and Caldicott, or even Jacob Rees-Smug...
My dad has £10 and £20 notes in a wallet I laughed where your using them in cashless society 😂
No such thing thankfully here as a cashless society and if you want one all you are doing is handing power to the faceless assholes in whitehall when they can track every penny you spend. Have fun with that
While I have sympathy with that view, the world is changing. An increasing number of shops, restaurants, cafes, etc., here in Los Angeles are card only.
Shortly, they will be contactless payments only.
Many racecourses are now card only, so you can't spend your cash winnings in the bar. For the racecourses, it is more secure and more efficient (meaning fewer jobs).
But your card is immediately credited with winnings, and is acceptable by the bar, no?
As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
Wine is sold in 750 ml bottles, not litres. That's because the litre is a bloody stupid measurement. Petrol is sold in litres, and petrol consumption measured in miles per gallon. See above.
actually wine is mostly sold in 70 centilitre bottles which is a metric measurement akin to litres what is it you want it sold in?
*Reviews contents of wine rack*
Where do you live? When did you last buy a bottle of wine?
I live in the uk and must be about 20 to thirty years ago as I rarely drink it
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
I understand them just fine as I do metric and I didn't even go to university, are you really saying its hard to convert in your head?
The inch and other imperial units are now defined in terms of metric units, so the inch is now precisely 25.4mm
The Imperial system is dead. Good riddance to it
Like the Mars Climate Orbiter. Killed because idiots tried to keep the imperial (well, US) units going in the modern world.
Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that
In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
On the contrary, telling people that you won't stand up to them because they have a weapon that might work is cowardice of the basest sort, that will only last to greater suffering and pain.
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
I can tell you straight off it's dead easy.
1 acre = 4840 square yards = 1 chain x 10 chains = 1 x 10 cricket pitches.
Can't get any more Brexistentialist, with a nod to John Major and the crack of leather on willow as the maiden aunt cycles past the village green on the way to Evensong (strictly C of E only).
Of course have to remember an acre made sense as it was the measure of how much land a man could plow in a day when it came about
With a horse or ox team, yes!
So really one acre is 1 furrow long before the horses get kackered and you have to turn, x 1 cricket pitch. See. @CorrectHorseBattery , it's dead easy!
Say what you like about old measurements they did have a certain reason behind them whereas metric measurements are largely arbitrary
A gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water. Celsius is 1/100 of the temperature change between the freezing point and boiling point of water. A litre is 1kg of water.
These things make perfect sense
actually no they dont because you left out a lot of stuff
a gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water under standard temperature and pressure. Reduce the water temperature to 1% celsius for example and 1 cm^3 of water will weigh more
same with a litre of water weighing 1kg depends on the temperatur and pressure
Celsius the same water boils at a lot lower temperature at the top of everest than at ground level by several tens of degrees.
A man with a team of ox's however ploughs the same amount of land where at 10000 metres or 0 metres
Hang on. All men with oxen are equally capable of ploughing exactly the same area in a day? That would be remarkable, as it applies in no other human endeavour. It's like saying a yard is the length of your arm. It isn't at all.
I thought it was the length of King Henry VIII’s arm?
Weirdly, in ME and up to & inc Chaucer yard means penis. Sounds good to me but I understand I am an outlier.
As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
Wine is sold in 750 ml bottles, not litres. That's because the litre is a bloody stupid measurement. Petrol is sold in litres, and petrol consumption measured in miles per gallon. See above.
actually wine is mostly sold in 70 centilitre bottles which is a metric measurement akin to litres what is it you want it sold in?
*Reviews contents of wine rack*
Where do you live? When did you last buy a bottle of wine?
I live in the uk and must be about 20 to thirty years ago as I rarely drink it
In fact thinking back last bottle of wine I brought was for my gf a 3 litre bottle of lambrusco red. I obviously didnt value her kidneys
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
I can tell you straight off it's dead easy.
1 acre = 4840 square yards = 1 chain x 10 chains = 1 x 10 cricket pitches.
Can't get any more Brexistentialist, with a nod to John Major and the crack of leather on willow as the maiden aunt cycles past the village green on the way to Evensong (strictly C of E only).
Of course have to remember an acre made sense as it was the measure of how much land a man could plow in a day when it came about
With a horse or ox team, yes!
So really one acre is 1 furrow long before the horses get kackered and you have to turn, x 1 cricket pitch. See. @CorrectHorseBattery , it's dead easy!
Say what you like about old measurements they did have a certain reason behind them whereas metric measurements are largely arbitrary
A gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water. Celsius is 1/100 of the temperature change between the freezing point and boiling point of water. A litre is 1kg of water.
These things make perfect sense
actually no they dont because you left out a lot of stuff
a gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water under standard temperature and pressure. Reduce the water temperature to 1% celsius for example and 1 cm^3 of water will weigh more
same with a litre of water weighing 1kg depends on the temperatur and pressure
Celsius the same water boils at a lot lower temperature at the top of everest than at ground level by several tens of degrees.
A man with a team of ox's however ploughs the same amount of land where at 10000 metres or 0 metres
Hang on. All men with oxen are equally capable of ploughing exactly the same area in a day? That would be remarkable, as it applies in no other human endeavour. It's like saying a yard is the length of your arm. It isn't at all.
I thought it was the length of King Henry VIII’s arm?
Weirdly, in ME and up to & inc Chaucer yard means penis. Sounds good to me but I understand I am an outlier.
He does have a big codpiece in the Holbein painting.
So is anyone who isn't a Liverpool fan rooting for anything other than a stonking Madrid win tonight?
I would imagine that about 50% of the population does not care in the slightest...
True. But it feels big and I'm getting into it, which means picking a side. You have to care who wins with sport, I find. You can't watch it as if it were a play or a film or a concert.
As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
Wine is sold in 750 ml bottles, not litres. That's because the litre is a bloody stupid measurement. Petrol is sold in litres, and petrol consumption measured in miles per gallon. See above.
actually wine is mostly sold in 70 centilitre bottles which is a metric measurement akin to litres what is it you want it sold in?
I don't think any wine is sold in 70cl/700ml bottles. I think it's basically all 750 (i.e 3/4 of a liter).
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself. Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction. Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements
So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
That is enough to get the Tories to 35% and thus keep Boris in No 10 until the next general election while also preventing a Labour majority at that election
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself. Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction. Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements
So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
If you drill down into the age and party figures, it's the oldie Tory voters who are swamping the totals. Hardly surprising. Perhaps they have hoards of old pennies and halfpennies in a bottle somewhere.... like the garden shed....with an old radio where they listen to Gardener's Question Time and Any Questions on Long Wave, 1500m (edit 1515m since the 80s), like Charters and Caldicott, or even Jacob Rees-Smug...
My dad has £10 and £20 notes in a wallet I laughed where your using them in cashless society 😂
No such thing thankfully here as a cashless society and if you want one all you are doing is handing power to the faceless assholes in whitehall when they can track every penny you spend. Have fun with that
While I have sympathy with that view, the world is changing. An increasing number of shops, restaurants, cafes, etc., here in Los Angeles are card only.
Shortly, they will be contactless payments only.
Many racecourses are now card only, so you can't spend your cash winnings in the bar. For the racecourses, it is more secure and more efficient (meaning fewer jobs).
But your card is immediately credited with winnings, and is acceptable by the bar, no?
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
Is Get Carter the film with the barman with the extra finger?
Yes, before decimalisation innit.
He walks into the Victoria Comet opposite Newcastle Station. You can still do that, despite the metric system, but it'll be a damn sight less smoky. How about smoking in pubs as a pre-election bribe?
What's the food like there? The menu looks tempting and it would be convenient for a day out. But if they started smoking again ...
Come to think of it. I've never been in. Though I've been to every other one I can think of nearby. Not sure why. So can't help sorry.
Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that
In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
Correct. Putin may have 1950s tanks but nobody sane disputes that he has 2022 missiles.
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself. Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction. Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements
So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
That is enough to get the Tories to 35% and thus keep Boris in No 10 until the next general election while also preventing a Labour majority at that election
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself. Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction. Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements
So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
If you drill down into the age and party figures, it's the oldie Tory voters who are swamping the totals. Hardly surprising. Perhaps they have hoards of old pennies and halfpennies in a bottle somewhere.... like the garden shed....with an old radio where they listen to Gardener's Question Time and Any Questions on Long Wave, 1500m (edit 1515m since the 80s), like Charters and Caldicott, or even Jacob Rees-Smug...
My dad has £10 and £20 notes in a wallet I laughed where your using them in cashless society 😂
No such thing thankfully here as a cashless society and if you want one all you are doing is handing power to the faceless assholes in whitehall when they can track every penny you spend. Have fun with that
While I have sympathy with that view, the world is changing. An increasing number of shops, restaurants, cafes, etc., here in Los Angeles are card only.
Shortly, they will be contactless payments only.
Many racecourses are now card only, so you can't spend your cash winnings in the bar. For the racecourses, it is more secure and more efficient (meaning fewer jobs).
But your card is immediately credited with winnings, and is acceptable by the bar, no?
Not if you are betting in cash it isn't.
Oh sorry see what you mean, thought you meant bookies was card only
As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
45 plus? I'm 10 years older and was never taught anything other than metric.
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
I understand them just fine as I do metric and I didn't even go to university, are you really saying its hard to convert in your head?
The inch and other imperial units are now defined in terms of metric units, so the inch is now precisely 25.4mm
The Imperial system is dead. Good riddance to it
Completely agree. Beer can still be sold in pints, races run over miles, willys measured in inches, but the actual definitions should be SI.
As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
Wine is sold in 750 ml bottles, not litres. That's because the litre is a bloody stupid measurement. Petrol is sold in litres, and petrol consumption measured in miles per gallon. See above.
The litre is stupid? Are you kidding me? The pint is defined as the volume of 1.25lbs of water at 62°F and that is just the imperial pint which is different from the US dry pint or the US wet pint, the Australian pint, the Scottish pint, the customary pint, etc etc
As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
Wine is sold in 750 ml bottles, not litres. That's because the litre is a bloody stupid measurement. Petrol is sold in litres, and petrol consumption measured in miles per gallon. See above.
actually wine is mostly sold in 70 centilitre bottles which is a metric measurement akin to litres what is it you want it sold in?
I don't think any wine is sold in 70cl/700ml bottles. I think it's basically all 750 (i.e 3/4 of a liter).
On which topic. Of them being relatable measures. That was the lung capacity of the average glass blower back in the day.
Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that
In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
Correct. Putin may have 1950s tanks but nobody sane disputes that he has 2022 missiles.
1588 missiles according to Wiki. They’re no Armada..
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
I can tell you straight off it's dead easy.
1 acre = 4840 square yards = 1 chain x 10 chains = 1 x 10 cricket pitches.
Can't get any more Brexistentialist, with a nod to John Major and the crack of leather on willow as the maiden aunt cycles past the village green on the way to Evensong (strictly C of E only).
Of course have to remember an acre made sense as it was the measure of how much land a man could plow in a day when it came about
With a horse or ox team, yes!
So really one acre is 1 furrow long before the horses get kackered and you have to turn, x 1 cricket pitch. See. @CorrectHorseBattery , it's dead easy!
Say what you like about old measurements they did have a certain reason behind them whereas metric measurements are largely arbitrary
A gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water. Celsius is 1/100 of the temperature change between the freezing point and boiling point of water. A litre is 1kg of water.
These things make perfect sense
actually no they dont because you left out a lot of stuff
a gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water under standard temperature and pressure. Reduce the water temperature to 1% celsius for example and 1 cm^3 of water will weigh more
same with a litre of water weighing 1kg depends on the temperatur and pressure
Celsius the same water boils at a lot lower temperature at the top of everest than at ground level by several tens of degrees.
A man with a team of ox's however ploughs the same amount of land where at 10000 metres or 0 metres
Hang on. All men with oxen are equally capable of ploughing exactly the same area in a day? That would be remarkable, as it applies in no other human endeavour. It's like saying a yard is the length of your arm. It isn't at all.
I thought it was the length of King Henry VIII’s arm?
Weirdly, in ME and up to & inc Chaucer yard means penis. Sounds good to me but I understand I am an outlier.
He does have a big codpiece in the Holbein painting.
Not much inside it according to Anne Boleyn's brother
Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that
In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
Correct. Putin may have 1950s tanks but nobody sane disputes that he has 2022 missiles.
He may well have but you cant give into a bully because he says I have nukes.
Threaten to first strike him one of the following will happen
1) he will call our bluff and launch 2) he will believe us pull back then we have the basis of a shall we get rid of the nukes treaty so this doesnt happen again 3) he wont believe us wont pulll back and we save western lives with a first strike
Against
do nothing more than we are 1) russia starts losing which seems probable he launches to save face 2) russia wins and takes ukraine and starts prepping for the next land grab
So is anyone who isn't a Liverpool fan rooting for anything other than a stonking Madrid win tonight?
I would imagine that about 50% of the population does not care in the slightest...
True. But it feels big and I'm getting into it, which means picking a side. You have to care who wins with sport, I find. You can't watch it as if it were a play or a film or a concert.
I find almost all sports incredibly boring. Football, basketball, rugby, Formula 1, boxing and horse racing are amongst the dullest things I could forced to watch. In comparison, watching paint dry would be an exciting epic of meg-proportions
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
I must be the only one on here who doesn't drink wine by the litre.
Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that
In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
Correct. Putin may have 1950s tanks but nobody sane disputes that he has 2022 missiles.
He may well have but you cant give into a bully because he says I have nukes.
Threaten to first strike him one of the following will happen
1) he will call our bluff and launch 2) he will believe us pull back then we have the basis of a shall we get rid of the nukes treaty so this doesnt happen again 3) he wont believe us wont pulll back and we save western lives with a first strike
Against
do nothing more than we are 1) russia starts losing which seems probable he launches to save face 2) russia wins and takes ukraine and starts prepping for the next land grab
5 options only one ends up bad
Don't mistake anything here I am not in favour of a nuclear war but then it wasnt me thats making shouts about having one its the russians
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
I understand them just fine as I do metric and I didn't even go to university, are you really saying its hard to convert in your head?
The inch and other imperial units are now defined in terms of metric units, so the inch is now precisely 25.4mm
The Imperial system is dead. Good riddance to it
Like the Mars Climate Orbiter. Killed because idiots tried to keep the imperial (well, US) units going in the modern world.
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
I can tell you straight off it's dead easy.
1 acre = 4840 square yards = 1 chain x 10 chains = 1 x 10 cricket pitches.
Can't get any more Brexistentialist, with a nod to John Major and the crack of leather on willow as the maiden aunt cycles past the village green on the way to Evensong (strictly C of E only).
Of course have to remember an acre made sense as it was the measure of how much land a man could plow in a day when it came about
With a horse or ox team, yes!
So really one acre is 1 furrow long before the horses get kackered and you have to turn, x 1 cricket pitch. See. @CorrectHorseBattery , it's dead easy!
Say what you like about old measurements they did have a certain reason behind them whereas metric measurements are largely arbitrary
A gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water. Celsius is 1/100 of the temperature change between the freezing point and boiling point of water. A litre is 1kg of water.
These things make perfect sense
actually no they dont because you left out a lot of stuff
a gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water under standard temperature and pressure. Reduce the water temperature to 1% celsius for example and 1 cm^3 of water will weigh more
same with a litre of water weighing 1kg depends on the temperatur and pressure
Celsius the same water boils at a lot lower temperature at the top of everest than at ground level by several tens of degrees.
A man with a team of ox's however ploughs the same amount of land where at 10000 metres or 0 metres
Hang on. All men with oxen are equally capable of ploughing exactly the same area in a day? That would be remarkable, as it applies in no other human endeavour. It's like saying a yard is the length of your arm. It isn't at all.
I thought it was the length of King Henry VIII’s arm?
Weirdly, in ME and up to & inc Chaucer yard means penis. Sounds good to me but I understand I am an outlier.
I seem to remember that in Chaucer “case” was a euphemism for the banned C word.
Puts the image of booze filled cases going into Downing Street during lockdown in a different light.
Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that
In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
On the contrary, telling people that you won't stand up to them because they have a weapon that might work is cowardice of the basest sort, that will only last to greater suffering and pain.
On the contrary to your contrary, not attacking your enemy when the enemy has sufficient force to obliterate you and everything you hold dear is not cowardice, it's self preservation, and it has governed human interaction since before the Pharoes.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
I must be the only one on here who doesn't drink wine by the litre.
So is anyone who isn't a Liverpool fan rooting for anything other than a stonking Madrid win tonight?
I would imagine that about 50% of the population does not care in the slightest...
True. But it feels big and I'm getting into it, which means picking a side. You have to care who wins with sport, I find. You can't watch it as if it were a play or a film or a concert.
I find almost all sports incredibly boring. Football, basketball, rugby, Formula 1, boxing and horse racing are amongst the dullest things I could forced to watch. In comparison, watching paint dry would be an exciting epic of meg-proportions
In the pub early for the match, with a thousand other Liverpool fans 3,500 miles away from Merseyside.
“You’ll Never Walk Alone”, means wifey needs to help move you from the pub to the taxi at the end of the night, right?
@TheScreamingEagles has gone over but the silly sod's sitting under an electricity pylon just outside Calais, which someone told him is the Eiffel Tower.
Fun fact. There was plan to build a bigger Eiffel tower at Wembley in vintage years something. But they didn’t bother.
Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that
In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
On the contrary, telling people that you won't stand up to them because they have a weapon that might work is cowardice of the basest sort, that will only last to greater suffering and pain.
On the contrary to your contrary, not attacking your enemy when the enemy has sufficient force to obliterate you and everything you hold dear is not cowardice, it's self preservation, and it has governed human interaction since before the Pharoes.
No giving in to bullying like you want gives the russians the excuse to take everything. No thanks would rather die in a nuclear fire defiant and shouting fuck off putin
On tonight's football, I've no idea who'll win. It looks like a toss-up to me, even if Liverpool are stronger on paper. Given that the bookies are strongly favouring Liverpool, I'm investing a bit on Real Madrid winning; I predict they'll win 2-1 in normal time.
So is anyone who isn't a Liverpool fan rooting for anything other than a stonking Madrid win tonight?
I would imagine that about 50% of the population does not care in the slightest...
True. But it feels big and I'm getting into it, which means picking a side. You have to care who wins with sport, I find. You can't watch it as if it were a play or a film or a concert.
I find almost all sports incredibly boring. Football, basketball, rugby, Formula 1, boxing and horse racing are amongst the dullest things I could forced to watch. In comparison, watching paint dry would be an exciting epic of meg-proportions
Paint drying it is then
I was quite keen to hear about this Meg and her proportions!
Opinium have been consistently about 3pp the last few months. The local election results showed a Labour lead of about 5pp. The two Opinium polls during the voting period showed about 2pp, so a tentative conclusion is that their methodology is slightly underestimating Labour's lead.
As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
Boris announcement is just the first. Nothing more. Its just a bit of red meat thrown to out say look Brexit lets us do stuff and the bloke down the market can again shout pound of bananas, pound of bananas, pound of bananas for a pound £2784.
It's an interesting poll TBH and in line with what I would expect on current polling (I.e. every Conservative seat except Bassetlaw and Dudley N which the Tories gained in 2019 being vulnerable to Labour).
I think it's interesting that Uxbridge is projected to go Labour by 5% while Cities of London and Westminster is still on a knife edge though given the local election results.
I still think Labour chances in Uxbridge are slightly overhyped.
Opinium have been consistently about 3pp the last few months. The local election results showed a Labour lead of about 5pp. The two Opinium polls during the voting period showed about 2pp, so a tentative conclusion is that their methodology is slightly underestimating Labour's lead.
Tend to agree, could be slightly better for Labour although only 33% with opinium is also not great for the Tories given the methodology.
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Regardless of slant, it's interesting to see someone wander the building - not exactly the way you'd expect things to be if the Russians were attempting to hide a massacre. Even if they'd spirited away the bodies, the evidence of what happened would be pretty clear.
The AP report also managed to find not a single person who didn't insist that 100 people died in a field kitchen outside the building. But the PressTV guy bumped into one on the street, indicating it's not that difficult.
The bottom line is that either the building was crammed with 1000 to 1200 people, the vast majority of whom would now be dead, with severely decomposed bodies, with distressed families missing them, with identities etc., or there were few to no people inside the building, hence no rooms full of mangled bodies, no blood everywhere, no relatives, etc.
Hartlepool I was going to say, but now not sure. but the final beach scene of the film is shot near Hartlepool
Thanks Mark.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-61617224
Michael Caine's second best role. After Muppet's Christmas Carol of course.
None of this changes the fundamentals of the war. Russia has launched a barbaric act of aggression, rubbled cities, killed maimed raped or deported thousands of people and blockaded Odesa threatening a global famine. Everything else is nitpicking and one must wonder at your motives for focusing on such things.
Let's leave to one side whether or not you think it was a good idea and just assume that it was. The execution of the scheme itself nevertheless looks like the work of negligent, perhaps even mindless, vandals.
“You’ll Never Walk Alone”, means wifey needs to help move you from the pub to the taxi at the end of the night, right?
Didn't know that.
Shortly, they will be contactless payments only.
I just hope they've got one big game left in them. Fatigue has been showing recently.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
Can always blame it on incompetent gendarmerie, mind.
You on the other hand cannot do the former
Salt of the earth, dem scousers.
It seems like it cannot shovel enough money at its ageing grey vote
Where do you live? When did you last buy a bottle of wine?
The Imperial system is dead. Good riddance to it
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/space/stories/orbiter100199.htm
So can't help sorry.
That is a poor poll for Labour in view or this week's shanagins
https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1530611824525250567?t=rDLt2ebDCa9sTQczXCAieg&s=19
They’re no Armada..
Threaten to first strike him one of the following will happen
1) he will call our bluff and launch
2) he will believe us pull back then we have the basis of a shall we get rid of the nukes treaty so this doesnt happen again
3) he wont believe us wont pulll back and we save western lives with a first strike
Against
do nothing more than we are
1) russia starts losing which seems probable he launches to save face
2) russia wins and takes ukraine and starts prepping for the next land grab
5 options only one ends up bad
Puts the image of booze filled cases going into Downing Street during lockdown in a different light.
The local election results showed a Labour lead of about 5pp. The two Opinium polls during the voting period showed about 2pp, so a tentative conclusion is that their methodology is slightly underestimating Labour's lead.
a pound£2784.I think it's interesting that Uxbridge is projected to go Labour by 5% while Cities of London and Westminster is still on a knife edge though given the local election results.
I still think Labour chances in Uxbridge are slightly overhyped. Tend to agree, could be slightly better for Labour although only 33% with opinium is also not great for the Tories given the methodology.