Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
I don’t know what to make of Get Carter. I know it’s popular now (was it when it came out?)
Tell me what to make of it? Typical of it’s time sexploitation stuff or something more worthy?
It's bleakly violent. Tarantino cites it as a major influence. Think one of his set in 1971 Newcastle. Michael Caine's second best role. After Muppet's Christmas Carol of course.
On tonight's football, I've no idea who'll win. It looks like a toss-up to me, even if Liverpool are stronger on paper. Given that the bookies are strongly favouring Liverpool, I'm investing a bit on Real Madrid winning; I predict they'll win 2-1 in normal time.
Yes, it looks like RM are the value. Maybe better still when they are behind!
Opinium have been consistently about 3pp the last few months. The local election results showed a Labour lead of about 5pp. The two Opinium polls during the voting period showed about 2pp, so a tentative conclusion is that their methodology is slightly underestimating Labour's lead.
Labour have a solid lead. No doubt about it. Voters are once again self-identifying as Labour. This isn't about Labour positives, it's just Tory negatives. You can see that because even the hopelessly rudderless LDs (sorry Mike) are gaining support.
As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
Litres (and half litres) for wine would be great, but doesn't happen. Is there anything more half-arsed than 375 ml of wine? Whereas 500ml, or pint bottles, I could really get behind.
Quarter bottles of champagne are great because it is basically 1 or 2 glasses. You can drink it without getting smashed or having the remainder go flat. Cf prosecco. Cans of champagne might be more environmentally sound.
On the topic of metric, a lot of us have recipes or books handed down from our mothers. If a recipe calls for 5oz of x I expect to be able to go buy 5oz of x not told sorrry we only do metric weights cant help yu. I am all for shops doing metric...I just dont want them stopped when I go I want 5oz of x
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
I don’t know what to make of Get Carter. I know it’s popular now (was it when it came out?)
Tell me what to make of it? Typical of it’s time sexploitation stuff or something more worthy?
It's bleakly violent. Tarantino cites it as a major influence. Think one of his set in 1971 Newcastle. Michael Caine's second best role. After Muppet's Christmas Carol of course.
On tonight's football, I've no idea who'll win. It looks like a toss-up to me, even if Liverpool are stronger on paper. Given that the bookies are strongly favouring Liverpool, I'm investing a bit on Real Madrid winning; I predict they'll win 2-1 in normal time.
Yes, it looks like RM are the value. Maybe better still when they are behind!
The trajectory of their comebacks suggests Liverpool will be on the way to the airport when Benzema scores the winner.
Opinium have been consistently about 3pp the last few months. The local election results showed a Labour lead of about 5pp. The two Opinium polls during the voting period showed about 2pp, so a tentative conclusion is that their methodology is slightly underestimating Labour's lead.
Labour have a solid lead. No doubt about it. Voters are once again self-identifying as Labour. This isn't about Labour positives, it's just Tory negatives. You can see that because even the hopelessly rudderless LDs (sorry Mike) are gaining support.
It's also about the removal of Labour negatives. Keir represents a return to relative normality after Corbyn. That reads like a positive to voters, in the same way removing Boris will. But Tory MPs are too thick or corrupt to realise it.
Opinium have been consistently about 3pp the last few months. The local election results showed a Labour lead of about 5pp. The two Opinium polls during the voting period showed about 2pp, so a tentative conclusion is that their methodology is slightly underestimating Labour's lead.
Hearing about it without looking at it, Big G is right.
Looking at it though, it’s a hard poll to pick bones out.
that is the lowest Tory Share yet under Opinium. And the Labour one backwards for a same gap of three because greens plus 1 to eight. So Labour hoping for better for sure, but opinum never given a Labour lead bigger than 4, have greens at 8 Lib Dem 11 for a 55% poll and Tories 33% lowest ever.
Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that
In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
On the contrary, telling people that you won't stand up to them because they have a weapon that might work is cowardice of the basest sort, that will only last to greater suffering and pain.
On the contrary to your contrary, not attacking your enemy when the enemy has sufficient force to obliterate you and everything you hold dear is not cowardice, it's self preservation, and it has governed human interaction since before the Pharoes.
No giving in to bullying like you want gives the russians the excuse to take everything. No thanks would rather die in a nuclear fire defiant and shouting fuck off putin
It's an interesting poll TBH and in line with what I would expect on current polling (I.e. every Conservative seat except Bassetlaw and Dudley N which the Tories gained in 2019 being vulnerable to Labour).
I think it's interesting that Uxbridge is projected to go Labour by 5% while Cities of London and Westminster is still on a knife edge though given the local election results.
I still think Labour chances in Uxbridge are slightly overhyped.
Opinium have been consistently about 3pp the last few months. The local election results showed a Labour lead of about 5pp. The two Opinium polls during the voting period showed about 2pp, so a tentative conclusion is that their methodology is slightly underestimating Labour's lead.
Tend to agree, could be slightly better for Labour although only 33% with opinium is also not great for the Tories given the methodology.
Yeah. If you go from 11.5% Cons. lead to a Labour lead, a lot of seats turn red
Opinium have been consistently about 3pp the last few months. The local election results showed a Labour lead of about 5pp. The two Opinium polls during the voting period showed about 2pp, so a tentative conclusion is that their methodology is slightly underestimating Labour's lead.
Labour have a solid lead. No doubt about it. Voters are once again self-identifying as Labour. This isn't about Labour positives, it's just Tory negatives. You can see that because even the hopelessly rudderless LDs (sorry Mike) are gaining support.
It's also about the removal of Labour negatives. Keir represents a return to relative normality after Corbyn. That reads like a positive to voters, in the same way removing Boris will. But Tory MPs are too thick or corrupt to realise it.
It also means a return to 97 level tactical voting?
Why - what in common with 1997?
The Tories have been in too long they are friggin rubbish, get them out.
Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that
In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
On the contrary, telling people that you won't stand up to them because they have a weapon that might work is cowardice of the basest sort, that will only last to greater suffering and pain.
On the contrary to your contrary, not attacking your enemy when the enemy has sufficient force to obliterate you and everything you hold dear is not cowardice, it's self preservation, and it has governed human interaction since before the Pharoes.
No giving in to bullying like you want gives the russians the excuse to take everything. No thanks would rather die in a nuclear fire defiant and shouting fuck off putin
Bully for you
You have a different suggestion? seems to be we have a choice stand up or let him do as he will
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
I don’t know what to make of Get Carter. I know it’s popular now (was it when it came out?)
Tell me what to make of it? Typical of it’s time sexploitation stuff or something more worthy?
It's bleakly violent. Tarantino cites it as a major influence. Think one of his set in 1971 Newcastle. Michael Caine's second best role. After Muppet's Christmas Carol of course.
On tonight's football, I've no idea who'll win. It looks like a toss-up to me, even if Liverpool are stronger on paper. Given that the bookies are strongly favouring Liverpool, I'm investing a bit on Real Madrid winning; I predict they'll win 2-1 in normal time.
Yes, it looks like RM are the value. Maybe better still when they are behind!
So is anyone who isn't a Liverpool fan rooting for anything other than a stonking Madrid win tonight?
I would imagine that about 50% of the population does not care in the slightest...
True. But it feels big and I'm getting into it, which means picking a side. You have to care who wins with sport, I find. You can't watch it as if it were a play or a film or a concert.
I find almost all sports incredibly boring. Football, basketball, rugby, Formula 1, boxing and horse racing are amongst the dullest things I could forced to watch. In comparison, watching paint dry would be an exciting epic of meg-proportions
That's because you don't care who wins. If you could somehow really care who wins it'd be different, I think.
As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
Wine is sold in 750 ml bottles, not litres. That's because the litre is a bloody stupid measurement. Petrol is sold in litres, and petrol consumption measured in miles per gallon. See above.
actually wine is mostly sold in 70 centilitre bottles which is a metric measurement akin to litres what is it you want it sold in?
I don't think any wine is sold in 70cl/700ml bottles. I think it's basically all 750 (i.e 3/4 of a liter).
Opinium have been consistently about 3pp the last few months. The local election results showed a Labour lead of about 5pp. The two Opinium polls during the voting period showed about 2pp, so a tentative conclusion is that their methodology is slightly underestimating Labour's lead.
Labour have a solid lead. No doubt about it. Voters are once again self-identifying as Labour. This isn't about Labour positives, it's just Tory negatives. You can see that because even the hopelessly rudderless LDs (sorry Mike) are gaining support.
It's also about the removal of Labour negatives. Keir represents a return to relative normality after Corbyn. That reads like a positive to voters, in the same way removing Boris will. But Tory MPs are too thick or corrupt to realise it.
I also get the feeling that people are ready for boring. In good times you want an exciting PM offering exciting progress, in bad times a boring safe pair of hands is far more appealing. I'm on a decent wedge above the average and even I'm feeling the pinch, so I have no doubt the feeling is pretty widespread. SKS won't revolutionise anything, but he won't screw anything major up either.
Opinium have been consistently about 3pp the last few months. The local election results showed a Labour lead of about 5pp. The two Opinium polls during the voting period showed about 2pp, so a tentative conclusion is that their methodology is slightly underestimating Labour's lead.
Labour have a solid lead. No doubt about it. Voters are once again self-identifying as Labour. This isn't about Labour positives, it's just Tory negatives. You can see that because even the hopelessly rudderless LDs (sorry Mike) are gaining support.
It's also about the removal of Labour negatives. Keir represents a return to relative normality after Corbyn. That reads like a positive to voters, in the same way removing Boris will. But Tory MPs are too thick or corrupt to realise it.
SKS is about 50% of the way to removing the real negatives, but there's a very long way to go until Labour are actually talking anything like sense. Rachel Reeves, who is really their brightest light, rather blew her cover yesterday on the radio.
As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
Where they screwed up with metric units is giving each one a multi-syllable name. Four syllables is a chore. It’s just easier to say inch, foot, yard, and mile. ‘Mils’ is cool but that’s about it.
I prefer metric, no desire to go back to imperial. But they need to rebrand.
Since they changed their methodology it never seems to shift from that kind of amount.
I'd rather await other pollsters to verify tbh.
Fieldwork 25-27.
25 Boris day if hell that possibly cost him his job, 26 Sunak statement. Tories will be disapointed to drop to 33 with Opinium as Kantor and opinium methodology seem to unearth Tory voters the other company’s can’t find.
Opinium have been consistently about 3pp the last few months. The local election results showed a Labour lead of about 5pp. The two Opinium polls during the voting period showed about 2pp, so a tentative conclusion is that their methodology is slightly underestimating Labour's lead.
Labour have a solid lead. No doubt about it. Voters are once again self-identifying as Labour. This isn't about Labour positives, it's just Tory negatives. You can see that because even the hopelessly rudderless LDs (sorry Mike) are gaining support.
It's also about the removal of Labour negatives. Keir represents a return to relative normality after Corbyn. That reads like a positive to voters, in the same way removing Boris will. But Tory MPs are too thick or corrupt to realise it.
SKS is about 50% of the way to removing the real negatives, but there's a very long way to go until Labour are actually talking anything like sense. Rachel Reeves, who is really their brightest light, rather blew her cover yesterday on the radio.
If you like. I'm not planning to vote for Labour, but I much, much prefer Starmer to Johnson as PM.
Gary Lineker has just tweeted: Finding it impossible to get in the ground. This appears to be very dangerous.
Per BBC
But I imagine it's down to poor policing just like Heysel, and Hillsborough
Come on Ishmael - Heysel was football hooliganism. Hillsborough was definitely not.
This situation according to everything I’m reading and hearing is bad organisation where the route the Liverpool fans have to take is not ideal. Major bottlenecks through underpasses etc.
Non of the three situations are comparable.
And if St Gary Lineker is stuck in the crowd and not whining about it being the fans fault then probably best to keep an open mind.
As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.
However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.
Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
Boris announcement is just the first. Nothing more. Its just a bit of red meat thrown to out say look Brexit lets us do stuff and the bloke down the market can again shout pound of bananas, pound of bananas, pound of bananas for a pound £2784.
Also the bananas can now be a trad bendy shape like they used to be before Brussels stuck its oar in.
Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that
In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
On the contrary, telling people that you won't stand up to them because they have a weapon that might work is cowardice of the basest sort, that will only last to greater suffering and pain.
On the contrary to your contrary, not attacking your enemy when the enemy has sufficient force to obliterate you and everything you hold dear is not cowardice, it's self preservation, and it has governed human interaction since before the Pharoes.
Did it escape your notice that the one doing the attacking is Russia ?
Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that
In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
On the contrary, telling people that you won't stand up to them because they have a weapon that might work is cowardice of the basest sort, that will only last to greater suffering and pain.
On the contrary to your contrary, not attacking your enemy when the enemy has sufficient force to obliterate you and everything you hold dear is not cowardice, it's self preservation, and it has governed human interaction since before the Pharoes.
No giving in to bullying like you want gives the russians the excuse to take everything. No thanks would rather die in a nuclear fire defiant and shouting fuck off putin
Well, it's very good of you to make that decision on everyone else's behalf too.
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I'd rather await other pollsters to verify tbh.
Looking at it though, it’s a hard poll to pick bones out.
that is the lowest Tory Share yet under Opinium. And the Labour one backwards for a same gap of three because greens plus 1 to eight. So Labour hoping for better for sure, but opinum never given a Labour lead bigger than 4, have greens at 8 Lib Dem 11 for a 55% poll and Tories 33% lowest ever.
Conclusion - Labour probably the happiest.
Where’s the Yougov?
Why - what in common with 1997?
The Tories have been in too long they are friggin rubbish, get them out.
Not good.
Gary Lineker has tweeted that he can't get into the stadium.
Per BBC
But I imagine it's down to poor policing just like Heysel, and Hillsborough
GAME OVER
I prefer metric, no desire to go back to imperial. But they need to rebrand.
It's hardly a big win for the Tory party if they're giving everyone hundreds of pounds for free and still being where they were in the polls?
25 Boris day if hell that possibly cost him his job, 26 Sunak statement. Tories will be disapointed to drop to 33 with Opinium as Kantor and opinium methodology seem to unearth Tory voters the other company’s can’t find.
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It sounds pretty bad though
This situation according to everything I’m reading and hearing is bad organisation where the route the Liverpool fans have to take is not ideal. Major bottlenecks through underpasses etc.
Non of the three situations are comparable.
And if St Gary Lineker is stuck in the crowd and not whining about it being the fans fault then probably best to keep an open mind.