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  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,899
    Sandpit said:

    In the pub early for the match, with a thousand other Liverpool fans 3,500 miles away from Merseyside.

    “You’ll Never Walk Alone”, means wifey needs to help move you from the pub to the taxi at the end of the night, right?

    @TheScreamingEagles has gone over but the silly sod's sitting under an electricity pylon just outside Calais, which someone told him is the Eiffel Tower.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.

    However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,899
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Much thought the idea of returning to imperial units makes me, at best, do a double-take - my inner child would thoroughly enjoy buying 'a quarter of jelly babies' again.

    Aiui that is the point. All that will happen is that shopkeepers will be allowed to sell apples by the pound and jelly babies by the quarter. No-one is asking Ford to rejig all their machine tools for the British market (well, apart from putting the steering wheel in front of the driver instead of the front passenger like on the continent). And, confession time, I buy apples and bananas in 8s because that is how many Sainsbury's put in the bag.
    You plutocratic bastard, buying bagged bananas. weigh 8 loose bananas next time and see how much money you are spaffing away.
    You buy bananas?

    Luxury.

    In our house we have the kids steal them, and then we pay them 20 pence in the pound for them for their pocket money.
    This is also a key part of their education: when they start their own hedge funds, they will be paid on "two and twenty", i.e. capturing 20% of the upside via fees. And it's important to learn that it doesn't matter how you get the performance... only that you get it.
    Teach them to start their hedge funds with complex AI/ML algorithms. Then fall back to buy low, sell high when it all goes to cock.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,636
    rcs1000 said:

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    I must be the only one on here who doesn't drink wine by the litre.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.

    However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    Litres (and half litres) for wine would be great, but doesn't happen. Is there anything more half-arsed than 375 ml of wine? Whereas 500ml, or pint bottles, I could really get behind.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    people should be able to sell in any measure with the caveat that other meausure should be shown such as price per 100g . I dont want to shut the young out from being able to make good purchasing decisions
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,567
    Pagan2 said:

    @MarqueeMark and @SouthamObserver may I pm you?

    Feel free!
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    kinabalu said:

    So is anyone who isn't a Liverpool fan rooting for anything other than a stonking Madrid win tonight?

    Who is playing and what sport?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kinabalu said:

    So is anyone who isn't a Liverpool fan rooting for anything other than a stonking Madrid win tonight?

    Won't a lot of people get killed if that happens?

    Can always blame it on incompetent gendarmerie, mind.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Sandpit said:

    In the pub early for the match, with a thousand other Liverpool fans 3,500 miles away from Merseyside.

    “You’ll Never Walk Alone”, means wifey needs to help move you from the pub to the taxi at the end of the night, right?

    @TheScreamingEagles has gone over but the silly sod's sitting under an electricity pylon just outside Calais, which someone told him is the Eiffel Tower.
    :lol:
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871

    Pagan2 said:

    @MarqueeMark and @SouthamObserver may I pm you?

    Feel free!
    thanks waiting for both to say yes really so dont need two separate conversations
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662

    I'd have Rory Stewart as PM, he warned us about Johnson very early on

    You do know you could lose your Labour membership for that kind of loose talk.
    Dude you literally said you'd vote for the Tories. Jesus Christ
    As I am not a member I can say what I like and vote for who I wish.

    You on the other hand cannot do the former
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434
    Pagan2 said:

    Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that

    In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.

    However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    Litres (and half litres) for wine would be great, but doesn't happen. Is there anything more half-arsed than 375 ml of wine? Whereas 500ml, or pint bottles, I could really get behind.
    Wine should only be ever served in steins so it rhymes
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,899
    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.

    However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    Wine is sold in 750 ml bottles, not litres. That's because the litre is a bloody stupid measurement. Petrol is sold in litres, and petrol consumption measured in miles per gallon. See above.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    kinabalu said:

    So is anyone who isn't a Liverpool fan rooting for anything other than a stonking Madrid win tonight?

    I would imagine that about 50% of the population does not care in the slightest...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434
    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.

    However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    Agree.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,962

    Sandpit said:

    In the pub early for the match, with a thousand other Liverpool fans 3,500 miles away from Merseyside.

    “You’ll Never Walk Alone”, means wifey needs to help move you from the pub to the taxi at the end of the night, right?

    @TheScreamingEagles has gone over but the silly sod's sitting under an electricity pylon just outside Calais, which someone told him is the Eiffel Tower.
    Smugly buffing his nails that such a French icon looks crap.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.

    However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    Wine is sold in 750 ml bottles, not litres. That's because the litre is a bloody stupid measurement. Petrol is sold in litres, and petrol consumption measured in miles per gallon. See above.
    actually wine is mostly sold in 70 centilitre bottles which is a metric measurement akin to litres what is it you want it sold in?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Sandpit said:

    In the pub early for the match, with a thousand other Liverpool fans 3,500 miles away from Merseyside.

    “You’ll Never Walk Alone”, means wifey needs to help move you from the pub to the taxi at the end of the night, right?

    That's the bowdlerised version. Really it's “You’ll Never Walk Again.”

    Salt of the earth, dem scousers.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,258
    dixiedean said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Farooq said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-bids-jubilee-boost-27090524

    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements
    Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing

    Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements

    I can tell you straight off it's dead easy.

    1 acre = 4840 square yards = 1 chain x 10 chains = 1 x 10 cricket pitches.

    Can't get any more Brexistentialist, with a nod to John Major and the crack of leather on willow as the maiden aunt cycles past the village green on the way to Evensong (strictly C of E only).
    Of course have to remember an acre made sense as it was the measure of how much land a man could plow in a day when it came about
    With a horse or ox team, yes!

    So really one acre is 1 furrow long before the horses get kackered and you have to turn, x 1 cricket pitch. See. @CorrectHorseBattery , it's dead easy!
    Say what you like about old measurements they did have a certain reason behind them whereas metric measurements are largely arbitrary
    A gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water.
    Celsius is 1/100 of the temperature change between the freezing point and boiling point of water.
    A litre is 1kg of water.

    These things make perfect sense
    actually no they dont because you left out a lot of stuff

    a gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water under standard temperature and pressure. Reduce the water temperature to 1% celsius for example and 1 cm^3 of water will weigh more

    same with a litre of water weighing 1kg depends on the temperatur and pressure

    Celsius the same water boils at a lot lower temperature at the top of everest than at ground level by several tens of degrees.

    A man with a team of ox's however ploughs the same amount of land where at 10000 metres or 0 metres
    Hang on. All men with oxen are equally capable of ploughing exactly the same area in a day?
    That would be remarkable, as it applies in no other human endeavour.
    It's like saying a yard is the length of your arm.
    It isn't at all.
    I thought it was the length of King Henry VIII’s arm?
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.

    However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    But the Conservative Party *is* governing for the 45+ age group, since the 70+ age group is a subset of everyone 45 or over ;)

    It seems like it cannot shovel enough money at its ageing grey vote
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    I'm happy for small shops to sell in imperial. I don't want to penalise the prats and those who do it because they are selling an oldie worldie product, eg traditional sweet shop, but I draw the line where it can confuse, so no to Sainsbury's or where measurements matter.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,899
    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.

    However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    Litres (and half litres) for wine would be great, but doesn't happen. Is there anything more half-arsed than 375 ml of wine? Whereas 500ml, or pint bottles, I could really get behind.
    Quarter bottles of champagne are great because it is basically 1 or 2 glasses. You can drink it without getting smashed or having the remainder go flat. Cf prosecco. Cans of champagne might be more environmentally sound.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Pagan2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.

    However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    Wine is sold in 750 ml bottles, not litres. That's because the litre is a bloody stupid measurement. Petrol is sold in litres, and petrol consumption measured in miles per gallon. See above.
    actually wine is mostly sold in 70 centilitre bottles which is a metric measurement akin to litres what is it you want it sold in?
    *Reviews contents of wine rack*

    Where do you live? When did you last buy a bottle of wine?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434
    Pagan2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.

    However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    Wine is sold in 750 ml bottles, not litres. That's because the litre is a bloody stupid measurement. Petrol is sold in litres, and petrol consumption measured in miles per gallon. See above.
    actually wine is mostly sold in 70 centilitre bottles which is a metric measurement akin to litres what is it you want it sold in?
    No, 75cls is usual for wine. 70cl for whisky.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Pagan2 said:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-bids-jubilee-boost-27090524

    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements
    Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing

    Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements

    I understand them just fine as I do metric and I didn't even go to university, are you really saying its hard to convert in your head?
    The inch and other imperial units are now defined in terms of metric units, so the inch is now precisely 25.4mm

    The Imperial system is dead. Good riddance to it
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871

    dixiedean said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Farooq said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-bids-jubilee-boost-27090524

    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements
    Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing

    Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements

    I can tell you straight off it's dead easy.

    1 acre = 4840 square yards = 1 chain x 10 chains = 1 x 10 cricket pitches.

    Can't get any more Brexistentialist, with a nod to John Major and the crack of leather on willow as the maiden aunt cycles past the village green on the way to Evensong (strictly C of E only).
    Of course have to remember an acre made sense as it was the measure of how much land a man could plow in a day when it came about
    With a horse or ox team, yes!

    So really one acre is 1 furrow long before the horses get kackered and you have to turn, x 1 cricket pitch. See. @CorrectHorseBattery , it's dead easy!
    Say what you like about old measurements they did have a certain reason behind them whereas metric measurements are largely arbitrary
    A gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water.
    Celsius is 1/100 of the temperature change between the freezing point and boiling point of water.
    A litre is 1kg of water.

    These things make perfect sense
    actually no they dont because you left out a lot of stuff

    a gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water under standard temperature and pressure. Reduce the water temperature to 1% celsius for example and 1 cm^3 of water will weigh more

    same with a litre of water weighing 1kg depends on the temperatur and pressure

    Celsius the same water boils at a lot lower temperature at the top of everest than at ground level by several tens of degrees.

    A man with a team of ox's however ploughs the same amount of land where at 10000 metres or 0 metres
    Hang on. All men with oxen are equally capable of ploughing exactly the same area in a day?
    That would be remarkable, as it applies in no other human endeavour.
    It's like saying a yard is the length of your arm.
    It isn't at all.
    I thought it was the length of King Henry VIII’s arm?
    I think its based on an averaage probaby....if you ploughed less without a good reason you werent a good ploughman.....no different to aptitude tests for jobs today
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-bids-jubilee-boost-27090524

    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements
    Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing

    Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements

    We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
    Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself.
    Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction.
    Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
    I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
    63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2021/09/17/eded5/3
    So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
    That is enough to get the Tories to 35% and thus keep Boris in No 10 until the next general election while also preventing a Labour majority at that election
    🤣

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-bids-jubilee-boost-27090524

    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements
    Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing

    Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements

    We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
    Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself.
    Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction.
    Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
    I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
    63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2021/09/17/eded5/3
    So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
    If you drill down into the age and party figures, it's the oldie Tory voters who are swamping the totals. Hardly surprising. Perhaps they have hoards of old pennies and halfpennies in a bottle somewhere.... like the garden shed....with an old radio where they listen to Gardener's Question Time and Any Questions on Long Wave, 1500m (edit 1515m since the 80s), like Charters and Caldicott, or even Jacob Rees-Smug...

    :smiley:
    My dad has £10 and £20 notes in a wallet I laughed where your using them in cashless society 😂
    No such thing thankfully here as a cashless society and if you want one all you are doing is handing power to the faceless assholes in whitehall when they can track every penny you spend. Have fun with that
    While I have sympathy with that view, the world is changing. An increasing number of shops, restaurants, cafes, etc., here in Los Angeles are card only.

    Shortly, they will be contactless payments only.
    Many racecourses are now card only, so you can't spend your cash winnings in the bar. For the racecourses, it is more secure and more efficient (meaning fewer jobs).
    But your card is immediately credited with winnings, and is acceptable by the bar, no?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    IshmaelZ said:

    Pagan2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.

    However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    Wine is sold in 750 ml bottles, not litres. That's because the litre is a bloody stupid measurement. Petrol is sold in litres, and petrol consumption measured in miles per gallon. See above.
    actually wine is mostly sold in 70 centilitre bottles which is a metric measurement akin to litres what is it you want it sold in?
    *Reviews contents of wine rack*

    Where do you live? When did you last buy a bottle of wine?
    I live in the uk and must be about 20 to thirty years ago as I rarely drink it
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,839
    edited May 2022

    Pagan2 said:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-bids-jubilee-boost-27090524

    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements
    Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing

    Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements

    I understand them just fine as I do metric and I didn't even go to university, are you really saying its hard to convert in your head?
    The inch and other imperial units are now defined in terms of metric units, so the inch is now precisely 25.4mm

    The Imperial system is dead. Good riddance to it
    Like the Mars Climate Orbiter. Killed because idiots tried to keep the imperial (well, US) units going in the modern world.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/space/stories/orbiter100199.htm
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154

    Pagan2 said:

    Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that

    In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
    On the contrary, telling people that you won't stand up to them because they have a weapon that might work is cowardice of the basest sort, that will only last to greater suffering and pain.

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    dixiedean said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Farooq said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-bids-jubilee-boost-27090524

    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements
    Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing

    Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements

    I can tell you straight off it's dead easy.

    1 acre = 4840 square yards = 1 chain x 10 chains = 1 x 10 cricket pitches.

    Can't get any more Brexistentialist, with a nod to John Major and the crack of leather on willow as the maiden aunt cycles past the village green on the way to Evensong (strictly C of E only).
    Of course have to remember an acre made sense as it was the measure of how much land a man could plow in a day when it came about
    With a horse or ox team, yes!

    So really one acre is 1 furrow long before the horses get kackered and you have to turn, x 1 cricket pitch. See. @CorrectHorseBattery , it's dead easy!
    Say what you like about old measurements they did have a certain reason behind them whereas metric measurements are largely arbitrary
    A gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water.
    Celsius is 1/100 of the temperature change between the freezing point and boiling point of water.
    A litre is 1kg of water.

    These things make perfect sense
    actually no they dont because you left out a lot of stuff

    a gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water under standard temperature and pressure. Reduce the water temperature to 1% celsius for example and 1 cm^3 of water will weigh more

    same with a litre of water weighing 1kg depends on the temperatur and pressure

    Celsius the same water boils at a lot lower temperature at the top of everest than at ground level by several tens of degrees.

    A man with a team of ox's however ploughs the same amount of land where at 10000 metres or 0 metres
    Hang on. All men with oxen are equally capable of ploughing exactly the same area in a day?
    That would be remarkable, as it applies in no other human endeavour.
    It's like saying a yard is the length of your arm.
    It isn't at all.
    I thought it was the length of King Henry VIII’s arm?
    Weirdly, in ME and up to & inc Chaucer yard means penis. Sounds good to me but I understand I am an outlier.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Pagan2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.

    However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    Wine is sold in 750 ml bottles, not litres. That's because the litre is a bloody stupid measurement. Petrol is sold in litres, and petrol consumption measured in miles per gallon. See above.
    actually wine is mostly sold in 70 centilitre bottles which is a metric measurement akin to litres what is it you want it sold in?
    *Reviews contents of wine rack*

    Where do you live? When did you last buy a bottle of wine?
    I live in the uk and must be about 20 to thirty years ago as I rarely drink it
    In fact thinking back last bottle of wine I brought was for my gf a 3 litre bottle of lambrusco red. I obviously didnt value her kidneys
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,839
    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Farooq said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-bids-jubilee-boost-27090524

    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements
    Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing

    Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements

    I can tell you straight off it's dead easy.

    1 acre = 4840 square yards = 1 chain x 10 chains = 1 x 10 cricket pitches.

    Can't get any more Brexistentialist, with a nod to John Major and the crack of leather on willow as the maiden aunt cycles past the village green on the way to Evensong (strictly C of E only).
    Of course have to remember an acre made sense as it was the measure of how much land a man could plow in a day when it came about
    With a horse or ox team, yes!

    So really one acre is 1 furrow long before the horses get kackered and you have to turn, x 1 cricket pitch. See. @CorrectHorseBattery , it's dead easy!
    Say what you like about old measurements they did have a certain reason behind them whereas metric measurements are largely arbitrary
    A gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water.
    Celsius is 1/100 of the temperature change between the freezing point and boiling point of water.
    A litre is 1kg of water.

    These things make perfect sense
    actually no they dont because you left out a lot of stuff

    a gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water under standard temperature and pressure. Reduce the water temperature to 1% celsius for example and 1 cm^3 of water will weigh more

    same with a litre of water weighing 1kg depends on the temperatur and pressure

    Celsius the same water boils at a lot lower temperature at the top of everest than at ground level by several tens of degrees.

    A man with a team of ox's however ploughs the same amount of land where at 10000 metres or 0 metres
    Hang on. All men with oxen are equally capable of ploughing exactly the same area in a day?
    That would be remarkable, as it applies in no other human endeavour.
    It's like saying a yard is the length of your arm.
    It isn't at all.
    I thought it was the length of King Henry VIII’s arm?
    Weirdly, in ME and up to & inc Chaucer yard means penis. Sounds good to me but I understand I am an outlier.
    He does have a big codpiece in the Holbein painting.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135

    kinabalu said:

    So is anyone who isn't a Liverpool fan rooting for anything other than a stonking Madrid win tonight?

    I would imagine that about 50% of the population does not care in the slightest...
    True. But it feels big and I'm getting into it, which means picking a side. You have to care who wins with sport, I find. You can't watch it as if it were a play or a film or a concert.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    Pagan2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.

    However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    Wine is sold in 750 ml bottles, not litres. That's because the litre is a bloody stupid measurement. Petrol is sold in litres, and petrol consumption measured in miles per gallon. See above.
    actually wine is mostly sold in 70 centilitre bottles which is a metric measurement akin to litres what is it you want it sold in?
    I don't think any wine is sold in 70cl/700ml bottles. I think it's basically all 750 (i.e 3/4 of a liter).
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,899
    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-bids-jubilee-boost-27090524

    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements
    Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing

    Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements

    We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
    Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself.
    Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction.
    Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
    I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
    63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2021/09/17/eded5/3
    So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
    That is enough to get the Tories to 35% and thus keep Boris in No 10 until the next general election while also preventing a Labour majority at that election
    🤣

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-bids-jubilee-boost-27090524

    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements
    Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing

    Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements

    We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
    Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself.
    Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction.
    Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
    I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
    63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2021/09/17/eded5/3
    So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
    If you drill down into the age and party figures, it's the oldie Tory voters who are swamping the totals. Hardly surprising. Perhaps they have hoards of old pennies and halfpennies in a bottle somewhere.... like the garden shed....with an old radio where they listen to Gardener's Question Time and Any Questions on Long Wave, 1500m (edit 1515m since the 80s), like Charters and Caldicott, or even Jacob Rees-Smug...

    :smiley:
    My dad has £10 and £20 notes in a wallet I laughed where your using them in cashless society 😂
    No such thing thankfully here as a cashless society and if you want one all you are doing is handing power to the faceless assholes in whitehall when they can track every penny you spend. Have fun with that
    While I have sympathy with that view, the world is changing. An increasing number of shops, restaurants, cafes, etc., here in Los Angeles are card only.

    Shortly, they will be contactless payments only.
    Many racecourses are now card only, so you can't spend your cash winnings in the bar. For the racecourses, it is more secure and more efficient (meaning fewer jobs).
    But your card is immediately credited with winnings, and is acceptable by the bar, no?
    Not if you are betting in cash it isn't.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    edited May 2022
    Carnyx said:

    dixiedean said:

    Carnyx said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.

    Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go

    Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation

    2024 could result is most any result
    “ 2024 could result is most any result”

    You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
    Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.

    Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
    Is Get Carter the film with the barman with the extra finger?
    Yes, before decimalisation innit.
    He walks into the Victoria Comet opposite Newcastle Station. You can still do that, despite the metric system, but it'll be a damn sight less smoky.
    How about smoking in pubs as a pre-election bribe?
    What's the food like there? The menu looks tempting and it would be convenient for a day out. But if they started smoking again ...
    Come to think of it. I've never been in. Though I've been to every other one I can think of nearby. Not sure why.
    So can't help sorry.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Pagan2 said:

    Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that

    In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
    Correct. Putin may have 1950s tanks but nobody sane disputes that he has 2022 missiles.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-bids-jubilee-boost-27090524

    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements
    Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing

    Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements

    We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
    Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself.
    Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction.
    Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
    I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
    63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2021/09/17/eded5/3
    So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
    That is enough to get the Tories to 35% and thus keep Boris in No 10 until the next general election while also preventing a Labour majority at that election
    🤣

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-bids-jubilee-boost-27090524

    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements
    Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing

    Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements

    We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
    Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself.
    Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction.
    Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
    I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
    63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2021/09/17/eded5/3
    So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
    If you drill down into the age and party figures, it's the oldie Tory voters who are swamping the totals. Hardly surprising. Perhaps they have hoards of old pennies and halfpennies in a bottle somewhere.... like the garden shed....with an old radio where they listen to Gardener's Question Time and Any Questions on Long Wave, 1500m (edit 1515m since the 80s), like Charters and Caldicott, or even Jacob Rees-Smug...

    :smiley:
    My dad has £10 and £20 notes in a wallet I laughed where your using them in cashless society 😂
    No such thing thankfully here as a cashless society and if you want one all you are doing is handing power to the faceless assholes in whitehall when they can track every penny you spend. Have fun with that
    While I have sympathy with that view, the world is changing. An increasing number of shops, restaurants, cafes, etc., here in Los Angeles are card only.

    Shortly, they will be contactless payments only.
    Many racecourses are now card only, so you can't spend your cash winnings in the bar. For the racecourses, it is more secure and more efficient (meaning fewer jobs).
    But your card is immediately credited with winnings, and is acceptable by the bar, no?
    Not if you are betting in cash it isn't.
    Oh sorry see what you mean, thought you meant bookies was card only
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.

    However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    45 plus? I'm 10 years older and was never taught anything other than metric.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,762

    Pagan2 said:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-bids-jubilee-boost-27090524

    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements
    Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing

    Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements

    I understand them just fine as I do metric and I didn't even go to university, are you really saying its hard to convert in your head?
    The inch and other imperial units are now defined in terms of metric units, so the inch is now precisely 25.4mm

    The Imperial system is dead. Good riddance to it
    Completely agree. Beer can still be sold in pints, races run over miles, willys measured in inches, but the actual definitions should be SI.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.

    However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    Wine is sold in 750 ml bottles, not litres. That's because the litre is a bloody stupid measurement. Petrol is sold in litres, and petrol consumption measured in miles per gallon. See above.
    The litre is stupid? Are you kidding me? The pint is defined as the volume of 1.25lbs of water at 62°F and that is just the imperial pint which is different from the US dry pint or the US wet pint, the Australian pint, the Scottish pint, the customary pint, etc etc
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,045
    edited May 2022
    3% Labour lead with Opinium

    That is a poor poll for Labour in view or this week's shanagins

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1530611824525250567?t=rDLt2ebDCa9sTQczXCAieg&s=19
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.

    However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    Wine is sold in 750 ml bottles, not litres. That's because the litre is a bloody stupid measurement. Petrol is sold in litres, and petrol consumption measured in miles per gallon. See above.
    actually wine is mostly sold in 70 centilitre bottles which is a metric measurement akin to litres what is it you want it sold in?
    I don't think any wine is sold in 70cl/700ml bottles. I think it's basically all 750 (i.e 3/4 of a liter).
    On which topic. Of them being relatable measures. That was the lung capacity of the average glass blower back in the day.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,749
    edited May 2022
    The latest on Vladimir Putin's bid to recruit older, more experienced troops by scrapping the age limit.

    image
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,962
    IshmaelZ said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that

    In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
    Correct. Putin may have 1950s tanks but nobody sane disputes that he has 2022 missiles.
    1588 missiles according to Wiki.
    They’re no Armada..
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Carnyx said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Farooq said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-bids-jubilee-boost-27090524

    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements
    Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing

    Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements

    I can tell you straight off it's dead easy.

    1 acre = 4840 square yards = 1 chain x 10 chains = 1 x 10 cricket pitches.

    Can't get any more Brexistentialist, with a nod to John Major and the crack of leather on willow as the maiden aunt cycles past the village green on the way to Evensong (strictly C of E only).
    Of course have to remember an acre made sense as it was the measure of how much land a man could plow in a day when it came about
    With a horse or ox team, yes!

    So really one acre is 1 furrow long before the horses get kackered and you have to turn, x 1 cricket pitch. See. @CorrectHorseBattery , it's dead easy!
    Say what you like about old measurements they did have a certain reason behind them whereas metric measurements are largely arbitrary
    A gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water.
    Celsius is 1/100 of the temperature change between the freezing point and boiling point of water.
    A litre is 1kg of water.

    These things make perfect sense
    actually no they dont because you left out a lot of stuff

    a gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water under standard temperature and pressure. Reduce the water temperature to 1% celsius for example and 1 cm^3 of water will weigh more

    same with a litre of water weighing 1kg depends on the temperatur and pressure

    Celsius the same water boils at a lot lower temperature at the top of everest than at ground level by several tens of degrees.

    A man with a team of ox's however ploughs the same amount of land where at 10000 metres or 0 metres
    Hang on. All men with oxen are equally capable of ploughing exactly the same area in a day?
    That would be remarkable, as it applies in no other human endeavour.
    It's like saying a yard is the length of your arm.
    It isn't at all.
    I thought it was the length of King Henry VIII’s arm?
    Weirdly, in ME and up to & inc Chaucer yard means penis. Sounds good to me but I understand I am an outlier.
    He does have a big codpiece in the Holbein painting.
    Not much inside it according to Anne Boleyn's brother
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    IshmaelZ said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that

    In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
    Correct. Putin may have 1950s tanks but nobody sane disputes that he has 2022 missiles.
    He may well have but you cant give into a bully because he says I have nukes.

    Threaten to first strike him one of the following will happen

    1) he will call our bluff and launch
    2) he will believe us pull back then we have the basis of a shall we get rid of the nukes treaty so this doesnt happen again
    3) he wont believe us wont pulll back and we save western lives with a first strike

    Against

    do nothing more than we are
    1) russia starts losing which seems probable he launches to save face
    2) russia wins and takes ukraine and starts prepping for the next land grab


    5 options only one ends up bad
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    So is anyone who isn't a Liverpool fan rooting for anything other than a stonking Madrid win tonight?

    I would imagine that about 50% of the population does not care in the slightest...
    True. But it feels big and I'm getting into it, which means picking a side. You have to care who wins with sport, I find. You can't watch it as if it were a play or a film or a concert.
    I find almost all sports incredibly boring. Football, basketball, rugby, Formula 1, boxing and horse racing are amongst the dullest things I could forced to watch. In comparison, watching paint dry would be an exciting epic of meg-proportions :D
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507

    rcs1000 said:

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    I must be the only one on here who doesn't drink wine by the litre.
    I drink it by the fathom 🤤
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that

    In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
    Correct. Putin may have 1950s tanks but nobody sane disputes that he has 2022 missiles.
    He may well have but you cant give into a bully because he says I have nukes.

    Threaten to first strike him one of the following will happen

    1) he will call our bluff and launch
    2) he will believe us pull back then we have the basis of a shall we get rid of the nukes treaty so this doesnt happen again
    3) he wont believe us wont pulll back and we save western lives with a first strike

    Against

    do nothing more than we are
    1) russia starts losing which seems probable he launches to save face
    2) russia wins and takes ukraine and starts prepping for the next land grab


    5 options only one ends up bad
    Don't mistake anything here I am not in favour of a nuclear war but then it wasnt me thats making shouts about having one its the russians
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-bids-jubilee-boost-27090524

    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements
    Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing

    Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements

    I understand them just fine as I do metric and I didn't even go to university, are you really saying its hard to convert in your head?
    The inch and other imperial units are now defined in terms of metric units, so the inch is now precisely 25.4mm

    The Imperial system is dead. Good riddance to it
    Like the Mars Climate Orbiter. Killed because idiots tried to keep the imperial (well, US) units going in the modern world.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/space/stories/orbiter100199.htm
    Exactly!
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Farooq said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-bids-jubilee-boost-27090524

    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements
    Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing

    Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements

    I can tell you straight off it's dead easy.

    1 acre = 4840 square yards = 1 chain x 10 chains = 1 x 10 cricket pitches.

    Can't get any more Brexistentialist, with a nod to John Major and the crack of leather on willow as the maiden aunt cycles past the village green on the way to Evensong (strictly C of E only).
    Of course have to remember an acre made sense as it was the measure of how much land a man could plow in a day when it came about
    With a horse or ox team, yes!

    So really one acre is 1 furrow long before the horses get kackered and you have to turn, x 1 cricket pitch. See. @CorrectHorseBattery , it's dead easy!
    Say what you like about old measurements they did have a certain reason behind them whereas metric measurements are largely arbitrary
    A gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water.
    Celsius is 1/100 of the temperature change between the freezing point and boiling point of water.
    A litre is 1kg of water.

    These things make perfect sense
    actually no they dont because you left out a lot of stuff

    a gram is the weight of 1cm^3 of water under standard temperature and pressure. Reduce the water temperature to 1% celsius for example and 1 cm^3 of water will weigh more

    same with a litre of water weighing 1kg depends on the temperatur and pressure

    Celsius the same water boils at a lot lower temperature at the top of everest than at ground level by several tens of degrees.

    A man with a team of ox's however ploughs the same amount of land where at 10000 metres or 0 metres
    Hang on. All men with oxen are equally capable of ploughing exactly the same area in a day?
    That would be remarkable, as it applies in no other human endeavour.
    It's like saying a yard is the length of your arm.
    It isn't at all.
    I thought it was the length of King Henry VIII’s arm?
    Weirdly, in ME and up to & inc Chaucer yard means penis. Sounds good to me but I understand I am an outlier.
    I seem to remember that in Chaucer “case” was a euphemism for the banned C word.

    Puts the image of booze filled cases going into Downing Street during lockdown in a different light.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434
    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that

    In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
    On the contrary, telling people that you won't stand up to them because they have a weapon that might work is cowardice of the basest sort, that will only last to greater suffering and pain.

    On the contrary to your contrary, not attacking your enemy when the enemy has sufficient force to obliterate you and everything you hold dear is not cowardice, it's self preservation, and it has governed human interaction since before the Pharoes.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    rcs1000 said:

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    I must be the only one on here who doesn't drink wine by the litre.
    I drink it by the fathom 🤤
    :D:D
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,045

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    So is anyone who isn't a Liverpool fan rooting for anything other than a stonking Madrid win tonight?

    I would imagine that about 50% of the population does not care in the slightest...
    True. But it feels big and I'm getting into it, which means picking a side. You have to care who wins with sport, I find. You can't watch it as if it were a play or a film or a concert.
    I find almost all sports incredibly boring. Football, basketball, rugby, Formula 1, boxing and horse racing are amongst the dullest things I could forced to watch. In comparison, watching paint dry would be an exciting epic of meg-proportions :D
    Paint drying it is then
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507

    Sandpit said:

    In the pub early for the match, with a thousand other Liverpool fans 3,500 miles away from Merseyside.

    “You’ll Never Walk Alone”, means wifey needs to help move you from the pub to the taxi at the end of the night, right?

    @TheScreamingEagles has gone over but the silly sod's sitting under an electricity pylon just outside Calais, which someone told him is the Eiffel Tower.
    Fun fact. There was plan to build a bigger Eiffel tower at Wembley in vintage years something. But they didn’t bother.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871

    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that

    In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
    On the contrary, telling people that you won't stand up to them because they have a weapon that might work is cowardice of the basest sort, that will only last to greater suffering and pain.

    On the contrary to your contrary, not attacking your enemy when the enemy has sufficient force to obliterate you and everything you hold dear is not cowardice, it's self preservation, and it has governed human interaction since before the Pharoes.
    No giving in to bullying like you want gives the russians the excuse to take everything. No thanks would rather die in a nuclear fire defiant and shouting fuck off putin
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,380
    edited May 2022
    On tonight's football, I've no idea who'll win. It looks like a toss-up to me, even if Liverpool are stronger on paper. Given that the bookies are strongly favouring Liverpool, I'm investing a bit on Real Madrid winning; I predict they'll win 2-1 in normal time.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,828
    Is the Champions League final on freeview? I'd rather not watch online because it sometimes cuts out.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,762

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    So is anyone who isn't a Liverpool fan rooting for anything other than a stonking Madrid win tonight?

    I would imagine that about 50% of the population does not care in the slightest...
    True. But it feels big and I'm getting into it, which means picking a side. You have to care who wins with sport, I find. You can't watch it as if it were a play or a film or a concert.
    I find almost all sports incredibly boring. Football, basketball, rugby, Formula 1, boxing and horse racing are amongst the dullest things I could forced to watch. In comparison, watching paint dry would be an exciting epic of meg-proportions :D
    Paint drying it is then
    I was quite keen to hear about this Meg and her proportions!
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    Is the Champions League final on freeview? I'd rather not watch online because it sometimes cuts out.

    It’s free on BT sport on fire stick or internet. Usually they put it on BT sport YouTube.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,012
    edited May 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.

    However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    Boris announcement is just the first. Nothing more. Its just a bit of red meat thrown to out say look Brexit lets us do stuff and the bloke down the market can again shout pound of bananas, pound of bananas, pound of bananas for a pound £2784.
  • It's an interesting poll TBH and in line with what I would expect on current polling (I.e. every Conservative seat except Bassetlaw and Dudley N which the Tories gained in 2019 being vulnerable to Labour).

    I think it's interesting that Uxbridge is projected to go Labour by 5% while Cities of London and Westminster is still on a knife edge though given the local election results.

    I still think Labour chances in Uxbridge are slightly overhyped.
    Farooq said:

    3% Labour lead with Opinium

    That is a poor poll for Labour in view or this week's shanagins

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1530611824525250567?t=rDLt2ebDCa9sTQczXCAieg&s=19

    Opinium have been consistently about 3pp the last few months.
    The local election results showed a Labour lead of about 5pp. The two Opinium polls during the voting period showed about 2pp, so a tentative conclusion is that their methodology is slightly underestimating Labour's lead.
    Tend to agree, could be slightly better for Labour although only 33% with opinium is also not great for the Tories given the methodology.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Bit of a nightmare in Paris ... :(
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,653
    dixiedean said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.

    Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go

    Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation

    2024 could result is most any result
    “ 2024 could result is most any result”

    You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
    Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.

    Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
    I don’t know what to make of Get Carter. I know it’s popular now (was it when it came out?)

    Tell me what to make of it? Typical of it’s time sexploitation stuff or something more worthy?
    It's bleakly violent. Tarantino cites it as a major influence. Think one of his set in 1971 Newcastle.
    Michael Caine's second best role. After Muppet's Christmas Carol of course.
    Very gritty, with some iconic scenes.

    On tonight's football, I've no idea who'll win. It looks like a toss-up to me, even if Liverpool are stronger on paper. Given that the bookies are strongly favouring Liverpool, I'm investing a bit on Real Madrid winning; I predict they'll win 2-1 in normal time.

    Yes, it looks like RM are the value. Maybe better still when they are behind!
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,762
    Farooq said:

    3% Labour lead with Opinium

    That is a poor poll for Labour in view or this week's shanagins

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1530611824525250567?t=rDLt2ebDCa9sTQczXCAieg&s=19

    Opinium have been consistently about 3pp the last few months.
    The local election results showed a Labour lead of about 5pp. The two Opinium polls during the voting period showed about 2pp, so a tentative conclusion is that their methodology is slightly underestimating Labour's lead.
    Labour have a solid lead. No doubt about it. Voters are once again self-identifying as Labour. This isn't about Labour positives, it's just Tory negatives. You can see that because even the hopelessly rudderless LDs (sorry Mike) are gaining support.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,012

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.

    However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    Litres (and half litres) for wine would be great, but doesn't happen. Is there anything more half-arsed than 375 ml of wine? Whereas 500ml, or pint bottles, I could really get behind.
    Quarter bottles of champagne are great because it is basically 1 or 2 glasses. You can drink it without getting smashed or having the remainder go flat. Cf prosecco. Cans of champagne might be more environmentally sound.
    Not a problem we ever have at Chez Urquhart...
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    On the topic of metric, a lot of us have recipes or books handed down from our mothers. If a recipe calls for 5oz of x I expect to be able to go buy 5oz of x not told sorrry we only do metric weights cant help yu. I am all for shops doing metric...I just dont want them stopped when I go I want 5oz of x
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084

    3% Labour lead with Opinium

    That is a poor poll for Labour in view or this week's shanagins

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1530611824525250567?t=rDLt2ebDCa9sTQczXCAieg&s=19

    Since they changed their methodology it never seems to shift from that kind of amount.

    I'd rather await other pollsters to verify tbh.
  • novanova Posts: 690
    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.

    Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go

    Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation

    2024 could result is most any result
    “ 2024 could result is most any result”

    You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
    Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.

    Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
    I don’t know what to make of Get Carter. I know it’s popular now (was it when it came out?)

    Tell me what to make of it? Typical of it’s time sexploitation stuff or something more worthy?
    It's bleakly violent. Tarantino cites it as a major influence. Think one of his set in 1971 Newcastle.
    Michael Caine's second best role. After Muppet's Christmas Carol of course.
    Very gritty, with some iconic scenes.

    On tonight's football, I've no idea who'll win. It looks like a toss-up to me, even if Liverpool are stronger on paper. Given that the bookies are strongly favouring Liverpool, I'm investing a bit on Real Madrid winning; I predict they'll win 2-1 in normal time.

    Yes, it looks like RM are the value. Maybe better still when they are behind!
    The trajectory of their comebacks suggests Liverpool will be on the way to the airport when Benzema scores the winner.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507
    Farooq said:

    3% Labour lead with Opinium

    That is a poor poll for Labour in view or this week's shanagins

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1530611824525250567?t=rDLt2ebDCa9sTQczXCAieg&s=19

    Opinium have been consistently about 3pp the last few months.
    The local election results showed a Labour lead of about 5pp. The two Opinium polls during the voting period showed about 2pp, so a tentative conclusion is that their methodology is slightly underestimating Labour's lead.
    Hearing about it without looking at it, Big G is right.

    Looking at it though, it’s a hard poll to pick bones out.

    that is the lowest Tory Share yet under Opinium. And the Labour one backwards for a same gap of three because greens plus 1 to eight. So Labour hoping for better for sure, but opinum never given a Labour lead bigger than 4, have greens at 8 Lib Dem 11 for a 55% poll and Tories 33% lowest ever.

    Conclusion - Labour probably the happiest.

    Where’s the Yougov?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Pagan2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that

    In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
    On the contrary, telling people that you won't stand up to them because they have a weapon that might work is cowardice of the basest sort, that will only last to greater suffering and pain.

    On the contrary to your contrary, not attacking your enemy when the enemy has sufficient force to obliterate you and everything you hold dear is not cowardice, it's self preservation, and it has governed human interaction since before the Pharoes.
    No giving in to bullying like you want gives the russians the excuse to take everything. No thanks would rather die in a nuclear fire defiant and shouting fuck off putin
    Bully for you
  • It's an interesting poll TBH and in line with what I would expect on current polling (I.e. every Conservative seat except Bassetlaw and Dudley N which the Tories gained in 2019 being vulnerable to Labour).

    I think it's interesting that Uxbridge is projected to go Labour by 5% while Cities of London and Westminster is still on a knife edge though given the local election results.

    I still think Labour chances in Uxbridge are slightly overhyped.

    Farooq said:

    3% Labour lead with Opinium

    That is a poor poll for Labour in view or this week's shanagins

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1530611824525250567?t=rDLt2ebDCa9sTQczXCAieg&s=19

    Opinium have been consistently about 3pp the last few months.
    The local election results showed a Labour lead of about 5pp. The two Opinium polls during the voting period showed about 2pp, so a tentative conclusion is that their methodology is slightly underestimating Labour's lead.
    Tend to agree, could be slightly better for Labour although only 33% with opinium is also not great for the Tories given the methodology.
    Yeah. If you go from 11.5% Cons. lead to a Labour lead, a lot of seats turn red
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507
    Farooq said:

    Omnium said:

    Farooq said:

    3% Labour lead with Opinium

    That is a poor poll for Labour in view or this week's shanagins

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1530611824525250567?t=rDLt2ebDCa9sTQczXCAieg&s=19

    Opinium have been consistently about 3pp the last few months.
    The local election results showed a Labour lead of about 5pp. The two Opinium polls during the voting period showed about 2pp, so a tentative conclusion is that their methodology is slightly underestimating Labour's lead.
    Labour have a solid lead. No doubt about it. Voters are once again self-identifying as Labour. This isn't about Labour positives, it's just Tory negatives. You can see that because even the hopelessly rudderless LDs (sorry Mike) are gaining support.
    It's also about the removal of Labour negatives. Keir represents a return to relative normality after Corbyn. That reads like a positive to voters, in the same way removing Boris will. But Tory MPs are too thick or corrupt to realise it.
    It also means a return to 97 level tactical voting?

    Why - what in common with 1997?

    The Tories have been in too long they are friggin rubbish, get them out.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,045
    Liverpool fans saying they have been tear gassed outside the ground and kick off delayed
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    IshmaelZ said:

    Pagan2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that

    In the pantheon of ridiculous PB posts this horrid little war has produced, playing nuclear chicken on the basis that Putin's missiles have probably all got cobwebs and dry rot has got to be up there.
    On the contrary, telling people that you won't stand up to them because they have a weapon that might work is cowardice of the basest sort, that will only last to greater suffering and pain.

    On the contrary to your contrary, not attacking your enemy when the enemy has sufficient force to obliterate you and everything you hold dear is not cowardice, it's self preservation, and it has governed human interaction since before the Pharoes.
    No giving in to bullying like you want gives the russians the excuse to take everything. No thanks would rather die in a nuclear fire defiant and shouting fuck off putin
    Bully for you
    You have a different suggestion? seems to be we have a choice stand up or let him do as he will
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Videos of some Liverpool fans jumping gates (unverified). Reports of loads of fans turning up with fake or no tickets. Some gates locked.

    Not good.

    Gary Lineker has tweeted that he can't get into the stadium.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Gary Lineker has just tweeted: Finding it impossible to get in the ground. This appears to be very dangerous.

    Per BBC

    But I imagine it's down to poor policing just like Heysel, and Hillsborough
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,899
    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.

    Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go

    Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation

    2024 could result is most any result
    “ 2024 could result is most any result”

    You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
    Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.

    Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
    I don’t know what to make of Get Carter. I know it’s popular now (was it when it came out?)

    Tell me what to make of it? Typical of it’s time sexploitation stuff or something more worthy?
    It's bleakly violent. Tarantino cites it as a major influence. Think one of his set in 1971 Newcastle.
    Michael Caine's second best role. After Muppet's Christmas Carol of course.
    Very gritty, with some iconic scenes.

    On tonight's football, I've no idea who'll win. It looks like a toss-up to me, even if Liverpool are stronger on paper. Given that the bookies are strongly favouring Liverpool, I'm investing a bit on Real Madrid winning; I predict they'll win 2-1 in normal time.

    Yes, it looks like RM are the value. Maybe better still when they are behind!
    The question is, how knackered are Liverpool?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,045
    Heathener said:

    Videos of some Liverpool fans jumping gates (unverified). Reports of loads of fans turning up with fake or no tickets. Some gates locked.

    Not good.

    Gary Lineker has tweeted that he can't get into the stadium.

    It is not looking good
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    So is anyone who isn't a Liverpool fan rooting for anything other than a stonking Madrid win tonight?

    I would imagine that about 50% of the population does not care in the slightest...
    True. But it feels big and I'm getting into it, which means picking a side. You have to care who wins with sport, I find. You can't watch it as if it were a play or a film or a concert.
    I find almost all sports incredibly boring. Football, basketball, rugby, Formula 1, boxing and horse racing are amongst the dullest things I could forced to watch. In comparison, watching paint dry would be an exciting epic of meg-proportions :D
    That's because you don't care who wins. If you could somehow really care who wins it'd be different, I think.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.

    However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    Wine is sold in 750 ml bottles, not litres. That's because the litre is a bloody stupid measurement. Petrol is sold in litres, and petrol consumption measured in miles per gallon. See above.
    actually wine is mostly sold in 70 centilitre bottles which is a metric measurement akin to litres what is it you want it sold in?
    I don't think any wine is sold in 70cl/700ml bottles. I think it's basically all 750 (i.e 3/4 of a liter).
    On which topic. Of th

    Liverpool fans saying they have been tear gassed outside the ground and kick off delayed

    Saves time I suppose.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Farooq said:

    Omnium said:

    Farooq said:

    3% Labour lead with Opinium

    That is a poor poll for Labour in view or this week's shanagins

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1530611824525250567?t=rDLt2ebDCa9sTQczXCAieg&s=19

    Opinium have been consistently about 3pp the last few months.
    The local election results showed a Labour lead of about 5pp. The two Opinium polls during the voting period showed about 2pp, so a tentative conclusion is that their methodology is slightly underestimating Labour's lead.
    Labour have a solid lead. No doubt about it. Voters are once again self-identifying as Labour. This isn't about Labour positives, it's just Tory negatives. You can see that because even the hopelessly rudderless LDs (sorry Mike) are gaining support.
    It's also about the removal of Labour negatives. Keir represents a return to relative normality after Corbyn. That reads like a positive to voters, in the same way removing Boris will. But Tory MPs are too thick or corrupt to realise it.
    I also get the feeling that people are ready for boring. In good times you want an exciting PM offering exciting progress, in bad times a boring safe pair of hands is far more appealing. I'm on a decent wedge above the average and even I'm feeling the pinch, so I have no doubt the feeling is pretty widespread. SKS won't revolutionise anything, but he won't screw anything major up either.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,762
    Farooq said:

    Omnium said:

    Farooq said:

    3% Labour lead with Opinium

    That is a poor poll for Labour in view or this week's shanagins

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1530611824525250567?t=rDLt2ebDCa9sTQczXCAieg&s=19

    Opinium have been consistently about 3pp the last few months.
    The local election results showed a Labour lead of about 5pp. The two Opinium polls during the voting period showed about 2pp, so a tentative conclusion is that their methodology is slightly underestimating Labour's lead.
    Labour have a solid lead. No doubt about it. Voters are once again self-identifying as Labour. This isn't about Labour positives, it's just Tory negatives. You can see that because even the hopelessly rudderless LDs (sorry Mike) are gaining support.
    It's also about the removal of Labour negatives. Keir represents a return to relative normality after Corbyn. That reads like a positive to voters, in the same way removing Boris will. But Tory MPs are too thick or corrupt to realise it.
    SKS is about 50% of the way to removing the real negatives, but there's a very long way to go until Labour are actually talking anything like sense. Rachel Reeves, who is really their brightest light, rather blew her cover yesterday on the radio.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,045
    Heathener said:

    3% Labour lead with Opinium

    That is a poor poll for Labour in view or this week's shanagins

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1530611824525250567?t=rDLt2ebDCa9sTQczXCAieg&s=19

    Since they changed their methodology it never seems to shift from that kind of amount.

    I'd rather await other pollsters to verify tbh.
    Some of the supplementaries are interesting
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    GAME OVER

  • northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 1,639
    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.

    However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    Where they screwed up with metric units is giving each one a multi-syllable name. Four syllables is a chore. It’s just easier to say inch, foot, yard, and mile. ‘Mils’ is cool but that’s about it.

    I prefer metric, no desire to go back to imperial. But they need to rebrand.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    IshmaelZ said:

    GAME OVER

    No way? Seriously?
  • novanova Posts: 690

    3% Labour lead with Opinium

    That is a poor poll for Labour in view or this week's shanagins

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1530611824525250567?t=rDLt2ebDCa9sTQczXCAieg&s=19

    Although, arguably the shenanigans are partially baked in, while Sunak's giveaway is new.

    It's hardly a big win for the Tory party if they're giving everyone hundreds of pounds for free and still being where they were in the polls?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507
    Heathener said:

    3% Labour lead with Opinium

    That is a poor poll for Labour in view or this week's shanagins

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1530611824525250567?t=rDLt2ebDCa9sTQczXCAieg&s=19

    Since they changed their methodology it never seems to shift from that kind of amount.

    I'd rather await other pollsters to verify tbh.
    Fieldwork 25-27.

    25 Boris day if hell that possibly cost him his job, 26 Sunak statement. Tories will be disapointed to drop to 33 with Opinium as Kantor and opinium methodology seem to unearth Tory voters the other company’s can’t find.
  • Very true
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,045
    Heathener said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    GAME OVER

    No way? Seriously?
    Live commentary not confirming it
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    This thread has been locked out

  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Heathener said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    GAME OVER

    No way? Seriously?
    Ishmael that raised my bp!

    It sounds pretty bad though
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    15 minute delay per BBC
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    IshmaelZ said:

    Gary Lineker has just tweeted: Finding it impossible to get in the ground. This appears to be very dangerous.

    Per BBC

    But I imagine it's down to poor policing just like Heysel, and Hillsborough

    Come on Ishmael - Heysel was football hooliganism. Hillsborough was definitely not.

    This situation according to everything I’m reading and hearing is bad organisation where the route the Liverpool fans have to take is not ideal. Major bottlenecks through underpasses etc.

    Non of the three situations are comparable.

    And if St Gary Lineker is stuck in the crowd and not whining about it being the fans fault then probably best to keep an open mind.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, if we're on the subject of metric vs imperial, I would fully support the repeal of the laws that punish people for selling produce using imperial metrics.

    However, I would regard it as utter madness if we were to enforce a wholesale change to imperial metrics, that would serve only to emphasise that the Conservative Party is governing only for the 45 plus age group.

    Our current mishmash (miles for long distances, centimetres for short), Fahrenheit for warm weather, Celsius for cold, and pints for beer, and litres for wine, is perfect.

    Boris announcement is just the first. Nothing more. Its just a bit of red meat thrown to out say look Brexit lets us do stuff and the bloke down the market can again shout pound of bananas, pound of bananas, pound of bananas for a pound £2784.
    Also the bananas can now be a trad bendy shape like they used to be before Brussels stuck its oar in.
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