Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Yep, taxes will remain high for the foreseeable. Liar has given the go-ahead for Labour to be more expansive in the tax and spend game. Real visionary policies could be in the offing. Will they take the aggressive approach or be timid?
I fully expect a wealth tax, 2nd home tax, IHT threshold cut, and NI++ to get increased for starters.
Maybe an increase in Council Tax for second homes? Aren't they trying that out in Wales? 😈
That's what I meant by the 2nd home tax. I fully expect they will copy it in England (if Sunak doesn't do it first).
Someone (perhaps MoonRabbit?) remarked earlier today how out of date the policies on Blair's pledge card seemed. The Tories are determined to take us back to the Seventies in semmingly endless inventive ways. Bring back Why Don't You?
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself. Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction. Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements
So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
That is enough to get the Tories to 35% and thus keep Boris in No 10 until the next general election while also preventing a Labour majority at that election
He will be lucky to still be there in a few weeks
The rebellion by his mps is gathering pace and as I reported earlier Graham Brady may well announce the vonc on return from recess
I expect you will say he will win the vonc, but in so doing he will be holed below his plimsoll line
Imperial measurements are just another way to make the UK a less competitive place to do business.
No company is going to make special products in imperial.
Have you ever been to the US?
Yes but. That isn't even our Imperial. Even the bit that is. Try quoting a weight in stones there.
And don't forget their gallons are different....and they love a good fluid ounce.
As well as a cup. Which doesn't appear to even have an exact measurement.
Cups in cooking are about ratios. The exact measurement does not really matter.
My kitchen meaasuring thingy marks a cup as 8oz, but yes it doesn’t matter so long as one uses the same cup (even a physical tea cup) for everything in the recipe.
My grandfather's old ww2 army recipes measured ingredients in buckets rather than cups.
Someone (perhaps MoonRabbit?) remarked earlier today how out of date the policies on Blair's pledge card seemed. The Tories are determined to take us back to the Seventies in semmingly endless inventive ways. Bring back Why Don't You?
Because the only good thing about why dont you was there suggestion you turned off the tv and didnt watch it?
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself. Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction. Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements
So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
That is enough to get the Tories to 35% and thus keep Boris in No 10 until the next general election while also preventing a Labour majority at that election
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself. Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction. Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements
So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
If you drill down into the age and party figures, it's the oldie Tory voters who are swamping the totals. Hardly surprising. Perhaps they have hoards of old pennies and halfpennies in a bottle somewhere.... like the garden shed....with an old radio where they listen to Gardener's Question Time and Any Questions on Long Wave, 1500m (edit 1515m since the 80s), like Charters and Caldicott, or even Jacob Rees-Smug...
My dad has £10 and £20 notes in a wallet I laughed where your using them in cashless society 😂
I would like to just return to when you got sweets served in a paper bag served out of huge jars to the weight you asked for....rather than prepackaged bags of determined weight and dont care if its grams or ounces
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself. Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction. Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements
So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
That is enough to get the Tories to 35% and thus keep Boris in No 10 until the next general election while also preventing a Labour majority at that election
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself. Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction. Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements
So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
If you drill down into the age and party figures, it's the oldie Tory voters who are swamping the totals. Hardly surprising. Perhaps they have hoards of old pennies and halfpennies in a bottle somewhere.... like the garden shed....with an old radio where they listen to Gardener's Question Time and Any Questions on Long Wave, 1500m (edit 1515m since the 80s), like Charters and Caldicott, or even Jacob Rees-Smug...
My dad has £10 and £20 notes in a wallet I laughed where your using them in cashless society 😂
No such thing thankfully here as a cashless society and if you want one all you are doing is handing power to the faceless assholes in whitehall when they can track every penny you spend. Have fun with that
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Actually I rarely drink and maybe only three or four times when I was very much younger
Now mastery of English is another matter for me !!!!
Commiserations to Huddersfield Giants. They deserved to beat Wigan.
20 th title for the Mighty Wigan says they didn't. Far too conservative. And couldn't kick a goal. Their game plan to suffocate Field and Bevan French worked perfectly. Apart from the one time it didn't.
Much thought the idea of returning to imperial units makes me, at best, do a double-take - my inner child would thoroughly enjoy buying 'a quarter of jelly babies' again.
Aiui that is the point. All that will happen is that shopkeepers will be allowed to sell apples by the pound and jelly babies by the quarter. No-one is asking Ford to rejig all their machine tools for the British market (well, apart from putting the steering wheel in front of the driver instead of the front passenger like on the continent). And, confession time, I buy apples and bananas in 8s because that is how many Sainsbury's put in the bag.
You plutocratic bastard, buying bagged bananas. weigh 8 loose bananas next time and see how much money you are spaffing away.
Someone (perhaps MoonRabbit?) remarked earlier today how out of date the policies on Blair's pledge card seemed. The Tories are determined to take us back to the Seventies in semmingly endless inventive ways. Bring back Why Don't You?
Because the only good thing about why dont you was there suggestion you turned off the tv and didnt watch it?
It was me. It showed how times and priorities change.
Nothing about immigration on Blair promise card, I remember a Matt cartoon with Labour candidate with head in ground and Matt tells wife (as it’s him he;s drawing) told you not to mention immigration.
Whilst Blair was winning elections big he was fucking up.
The weirdest one is the difference between a US survey foot and the US foot. The latter is based on the international standard, and is a fraction of an inch longer than the 'survey' foot. The difference is tiny, but when measuring a country as big as the US, it adds up enough to cause issues.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Yep, taxes will remain high for the foreseeable. Liar has given the go-ahead for Labour to be more expansive in the tax and spend game. Real visionary policies could be in the offing. Will they take the aggressive approach or be timid?
I fully expect a wealth tax, 2nd home tax, IHT threshold cut, and NI++ to get increased for starters.
Well if that is Starmer's offering there will be plenty of candidates to be Conservative Leader of the Opposition
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
Someone (perhaps MoonRabbit?) remarked earlier today how out of date the policies on Blair's pledge card seemed. The Tories are determined to take us back to the Seventies in semmingly endless inventive ways. Bring back Why Don't You?
Because the only good thing about why dont you was there suggestion you turned off the tv and didnt watch it?
It was me. It showed how times and priorities change.
Nothing about immigration on Blair promise card, I remember a Matt cartoon with Labour candidate with head in ground and Matt tells wife (as it’s him he;s drawing) told you not to mention immigration.
Whilst Blair was winning elections big he was fucking up.
No wonder he can’t sleep at night.
I suspect he has bigger worries on his mind than immigration being why he cant sleep like all those he murdered in iraq
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Yep, taxes will remain high for the foreseeable. Liar has given the go-ahead for Labour to be more expansive in the tax and spend game. Real visionary policies could be in the offing. Will they take the aggressive approach or be timid?
I fully expect a wealth tax, 2nd home tax, IHT threshold cut, and NI++ to get increased for starters.
Well if that is Starmer's offering there will be plenty of candidates to be Conservative Leader of the Opposition
If you want to avoid that scenario campaign to get Boris out otherwise say goodbye to your inheritance
The weirdest one is the difference between a US survey foot and the US foot. The latter is based on the international standard, and is a fraction of an inch longer than the 'survey' foot. The difference is tiny, but when measuring a country as big as the US, it adds up enough to cause issues.
The weirdest one is the difference between a US survey foot and the US foot. The latter is based on the international standard, and is a fraction of an inch longer than the 'survey' foot. The difference is tiny, but when measuring a country as big as the US, it adds up enough to cause issues.
imperial feet have changed too; an inch used to be almost exactly 25.4cm, now it is exactly exactly.
What? When did that happen? Are you saying an inch is therefore a metric measurement? And doesn't that mean a foot, yard and mile have all changed too? Or is a foot no longer exactly 12 inches?
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Yep, taxes will remain high for the foreseeable. Liar has given the go-ahead for Labour to be more expansive in the tax and spend game. Real visionary policies could be in the offing. Will they take the aggressive approach or be timid?
I fully expect a wealth tax, 2nd home tax, IHT threshold cut, and NI++ to get increased for starters.
Well if that is Starmer's offering there will be plenty of candidates to be Conservative Leader of the Opposition
If you want to avoid that scenario campaign to get Boris out otherwise say goodbye to your inheritance
Added to a wealth tax, 2nd home tax and reversing the most popular tax policy of this century, Osborne's inheritance tax cut, plus NI rises on average earners Labour would likely be out after a term anyway having failed to get a big majority next time.
Narrowly win again though a la 1992 and the risk is Labour do then get a landslide win at the election after that la 1997 and really are in for definite for a decade or more.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Yep, taxes will remain high for the foreseeable. Liar has given the go-ahead for Labour to be more expansive in the tax and spend game. Real visionary policies could be in the offing. Will they take the aggressive approach or be timid?
I fully expect a wealth tax, 2nd home tax, IHT threshold cut, and NI++ to get increased for starters.
How much bigger do you expect Northern Ire.... Oh.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
Is Get Carter the film with the barman with the extra finger?
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Yep, taxes will remain high for the foreseeable. Liar has given the go-ahead for Labour to be more expansive in the tax and spend game. Real visionary policies could be in the offing. Will they take the aggressive approach or be timid?
I fully expect a wealth tax, 2nd home tax, IHT threshold cut, and NI++ to get increased for starters.
Well if that is Starmer's offering there will be plenty of candidates to be Conservative Leader of the Opposition
If you want to avoid that scenario campaign to get Boris out otherwise say goodbye to your inheritance
Added to a wealth tax, 2nd home tax and reversing the most popular tax policy of this century, Osborne's inheritance tax cut, plus NI rises on average earners Labour would likely be out after a term anyway
Between the Labour Party and the Conservative Party, which party do Britons associate with the following characteristics:
Advocates for lower taxes?
Conservative Party 19% Labour Party 36% Both 8% Neither 18%
ROFL
Wow shows how stupid the britons are then....labour a party of lower taxes? When have labour ever lowered taxes in their entire history.
To be ultra boring and serious, as Tories are the high tax party, in twelve years now highest tax take since bankrupt just after the war, it makes opponents look better on such things. Eg two people, one a convicted murderer the other is obvious the one who doesn’t murder people.
Rather than voters thick, it’s down to governments not to fuck up like this.
“ since bankrupt just after the war, “
You know I take history seriously, where do you stand on our special friend we have special relationship with across pond, did us no favours after the war, more like vultures picking at the carcass of the British Empire?
I know an bit about US looking to take over Hong Kong, they also stole companies off us to pay our war debt to them. And muscled us out of the Middle East?
More they kept throwing money at us and we kept pissing it away, trying to hold onto bits of the Empire.
But they weren’t friendly, they were malicious weren’t they, in mind taking Empire off us.
Imperial measurements are just another way to make the UK a less competitive place to do business.
No company is going to make special products in imperial.
Have you ever been to the US?
The US is huge, we are tiny.
You said no company is going to make special products in imperial, but they already do make products in imperial for the US market. Allowing them to be sold here doesn't make the UK less competitive.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Yep, taxes will remain high for the foreseeable. Liar has given the go-ahead for Labour to be more expansive in the tax and spend game. Real visionary policies could be in the offing. Will they take the aggressive approach or be timid?
I fully expect a wealth tax, 2nd home tax, IHT threshold cut, and NI++ to get increased for starters.
Well if that is Starmer's offering there will be plenty of candidates to be Conservative Leader of the Opposition
If you want to avoid that scenario campaign to get Boris out otherwise say goodbye to your inheritance
Added to a wealth tax, 2nd home tax and reversing the most popular tax policy of this century, Osborne's inheritance tax cut, plus NI rises on average earners Labour would likely be out after a term anyway
I wouldn't bet on it
It would be as bad a high tax platform as the 1974 to 1979 Wilson government with strikes most likely on top, while having the high inflation of that period which also plagued the Heath government of 1970 to 1974 to cope with too
FWIW, here in the US, I now have a small kitchen/postal scale that will switch between ounces and grams -- and a month or so ago I bought a bathroom scale which has a button on the bottom that lets me switch between pounds and stones. (With my clothes on, 12.8, for the curious. I bought it because I would like to lose a half stone.) The scale was made by Taylor instruments, a US company.
I'll tell you one thing - if the Tories lose the by-election in Tiverton and Honiton, it won't be for lack of supporters trying to keep the seat. Totnes and Torbay alone sent 40 or so foot-soldiers today.
Observations from door-knocking: Boris has clearly lost the Conservatives some support, but less than I might have expected. Only one person raised Neil's porn antics - and they were still voting Conservative. Much of the dissatisfaction is likely to stay home than go across to the LibDems.
I may have had an utterly unrepresentative sample of voters, but would advise not to put your house on a LibDem win.
Imperial measurements are just another way to make the UK a less competitive place to do business.
No company is going to make special products in imperial.
Have you ever been to the US?
The US is huge, we are tiny.
You said no company is going to make special products in imperial, but they already do make products in imperial for the US market. Allowing them to be sold here doesn't make the UK less competitive.
Beer is sold in pints in the UK... It's just labeled as 560 ml (or some such,).
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Yep, taxes will remain high for the foreseeable. Liar has given the go-ahead for Labour to be more expansive in the tax and spend game. Real visionary policies could be in the offing. Will they take the aggressive approach or be timid?
I fully expect a wealth tax, 2nd home tax, IHT threshold cut, and NI++ to get increased for starters.
Well if that is Starmer's offering there will be plenty of candidates to be Conservative Leader of the Opposition
If you want to avoid that scenario campaign to get Boris out otherwise say goodbye to your inheritance
Added to a wealth tax, 2nd home tax and reversing the most popular tax policy of this century, Osborne's inheritance tax cut, plus NI rises on average earners Labour would likely be out after a term anyway
I wouldn't bet on it
It would be as bad a platform as the the 1974 to 1979 Wilson government with strikes most likely on top, while having the high inflation of that period which also plagued the Heath government of 1970 to 1974 to cope with too
In the meantime your inheritance is under threat
Maybe you need to campaign for a conservative 24 win rather than see Boris as something he isnt
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Yep, taxes will remain high for the foreseeable. Liar has given the go-ahead for Labour to be more expansive in the tax and spend game. Real visionary policies could be in the offing. Will they take the aggressive approach or be timid?
I fully expect a wealth tax, 2nd home tax, IHT threshold cut, and NI++ to get increased for starters.
Well if that is Starmer's offering there will be plenty of candidates to be Conservative Leader of the Opposition
If you want to avoid that scenario campaign to get Boris out otherwise say goodbye to your inheritance
Added to a wealth tax, 2nd home tax and reversing the most popular tax policy of this century, Osborne's inheritance tax cut, plus NI rises on average earners Labour would likely be out after a term anyway
I wouldn't bet on it
It would be as bad a high tax platform as the 1974 to 1979 Wilson government with strikes most likely on top, while having the high inflation of that period which also plagued the Heath government of 1970 to 1974 to cope with too
But hang on. It's your government which is taxing higher than Wilson's. Not some fantasy non-existent future Labour one. Why aren't you laying into Boris? Tory taxes good. That's why.
Imperial measurements are just another way to make the UK a less competitive place to do business.
No company is going to make special products in imperial.
Have you ever been to the US?
The US is huge, we are tiny.
You said no company is going to make special products in imperial, but they already do make products in imperial for the US market. Allowing them to be sold here doesn't make the UK less competitive.
If we were going to adopt US measure that would be one thing. Then we'd be ditching EU measures for US. But no, British imperial is completely different to US imperial.
We won't actually do this. Its the funniest idea since the last desperate lunatic idea.
Not completely different.
Just different enough to cause real problems.
And whoever invented the fluid ounce should be dug up and shot.
Imperial measurements are just another way to make the UK a less competitive place to do business.
No company is going to make special products in imperial.
Have you ever been to the US?
The US is huge, we are tiny.
You said no company is going to make special products in imperial, but they already do make products in imperial for the US market. Allowing them to be sold here doesn't make the UK less competitive.
Beer is sold in pints in the UK... It's just labeled as 560 ml (or some such,).
Given the inflation situation wouldn't now be the ideal moment to introduce a whole new system of measurements so as to confuse people?
The weirdest one is the difference between a US survey foot and the US foot. The latter is based on the international standard, and is a fraction of an inch longer than the 'survey' foot. The difference is tiny, but when measuring a country as big as the US, it adds up enough to cause issues.
imperial feet have changed too; an inch used to be almost exactly 25.4cm, now it is exactly exactly.
What? When did that happen? Are you saying an inch is therefore a metric measurement? And doesn't that mean a foot, yard and mile have all changed too? Or is a foot no longer exactly 12 inches?
1960 ish yard became an SI. an inch is 1/36 yards.
FWIW, here in the US, I now have a small kitchen/postal scale that will switch between ounces and grams -- and a month or so ago I bought a bathroom scale which has a button on the bottom that lets me switch between pounds and stones. (With my clothes on, 12.8, for the curious. I bought it because I would like to lose a half stone.) The scale was made by Taylor instruments, a US company.
Eating less and taking more exercise would be a better way.
I'll tell you one thing - if the Tories lose the by-election in Tiverton and Honiton, it won't be for lack of supporters trying to keep the seat. Totnes and Torbay alone sent 40 or so foot-soldiers today.
Observations from door-knocking: Boris has clearly lost the Conservatives some support, but less than I might have expected. Only one person raised Neil's porn antics - and they were still voting Conservative. Much of the dissatisfaction is likely to stay home than go across to the LibDems.
I may have had an utterly unrepresentative sample of voters, but would advise not to put your house on a LibDem win.
Thanks for the feedback Mark. Did you have a feel for the LD activity? Posters, leaflets, canvassers, activists. Are you getting much help from further afield?
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
Is Get Carter the film with the barman with the extra finger?
The weirdest one is the difference between a US survey foot and the US foot. The latter is based on the international standard, and is a fraction of an inch longer than the 'survey' foot. The difference is tiny, but when measuring a country as big as the US, it adds up enough to cause issues.
imperial feet have changed too; an inch used to be almost exactly 25.4cm, now it is exactly exactly.
What? When did that happen? Are you saying an inch is therefore a metric measurement? And doesn't that mean a foot, yard and mile have all changed too? Or is a foot no longer exactly 12 inches?
1960 ish yard became an SI. an inch is 1/36 yards.
FWIW, here in the US, I now have a small kitchen/postal scale that will switch between ounces and grams -- and a month or so ago I bought a bathroom scale which has a button on the bottom that lets me switch between pounds and stones. (With my clothes on, 12.8, for the curious. I bought it because I would like to lose a half stone.) The scale was made by Taylor instruments, a US company.
Eating less and taking more exercise would be a better way.
Did Heisenberg live in vain? You can change things just by observing them, these days.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
Is Get Carter the film with the barman with the extra finger?
Bloody spoiler
My recollection is that of the entire film with drownings, throwings off car parks etc etc the most shocking bit is when he rams someone's head against a car window, and the window isn't anti-shatter.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
Is Get Carter the film with the barman with the extra finger?
Yes, before decimalisation innit.
He walks into the Victoria Comet opposite Newcastle Station. You can still do that, despite the metric system, but it'll be a damn sight less smoky. How about smoking in pubs as a pre-election bribe?
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
Is Get Carter the film with the barman with the extra finger?
Yes, before decimalisation innit.
He walks into the Victoria Comet opposite Newcastle Station. You can still do that, but it'll be a damn sight less smoky. How about smoking in pubs as a pre-election bribe?
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Yep, taxes will remain high for the foreseeable. Liar has given the go-ahead for Labour to be more expansive in the tax and spend game. Real visionary policies could be in the offing. Will they take the aggressive approach or be timid?
I fully expect a wealth tax, 2nd home tax, IHT threshold cut, and NI++ to get increased for starters.
Or, if Labour are being a bit more creative, they could do most of the above (and more) but cut National Insurance instead. Well past time a Government went in really hard on asset taxes and eased off a bit on wages.
I'll tell you one thing - if the Tories lose the by-election in Tiverton and Honiton, it won't be for lack of supporters trying to keep the seat. Totnes and Torbay alone sent 40 or so foot-soldiers today.
Observations from door-knocking: Boris has clearly lost the Conservatives some support, but less than I might have expected. Only one person raised Neil's porn antics - and they were still voting Conservative. Much of the dissatisfaction is likely to stay home than go across to the LibDems.
I may have had an utterly unrepresentative sample of voters, but would advise not to put your house on a LibDem win.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Yep, taxes will remain high for the foreseeable. Liar has given the go-ahead for Labour to be more expansive in the tax and spend game. Real visionary policies could be in the offing. Will they take the aggressive approach or be timid?
I fully expect a wealth tax, 2nd home tax, IHT threshold cut, and NI++ to get increased for starters.
Well if that is Starmer's offering there will be plenty of candidates to be Conservative Leader of the Opposition
If you want to avoid that scenario campaign to get Boris out otherwise say goodbye to your inheritance
Added to a wealth tax, 2nd home tax and reversing the most popular tax policy of this century, Osborne's inheritance tax cut, plus NI rises on average earners Labour would likely be out after a term anyway
I wouldn't bet on it
It would be as bad a high tax platform as the 1974 to 1979 Wilson government with strikes most likely on top, while having the high inflation of that period which also plagued the Heath government of 1970 to 1974 to cope with too
But hang on. It's your government which is taxing higher than Wilson's. Not some fantasy non-existent future Labour one. Why aren't you laying into Boris? Tory taxes good. That's why.
Sunak has just cut NI for those earning under £35k and the top income tax rate is nowhere near the 90% odd it effectively was under Wilson. IHT is also lower for most voters than when the Tories came in in 2010
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
Is Get Carter the film with the barman with the extra finger?
Yes, before decimalisation innit.
He walks into the Victoria Comet opposite Newcastle Station. You can still do that, but it'll be a damn sight less smoky. How about smoking in pubs as a pre-election bribe?
If the british electorate is sensible they will vote in such a way that no possible coalition can get anything passed and keep doing it for the next twenty years.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Yep, taxes will remain high for the foreseeable. Liar has given the go-ahead for Labour to be more expansive in the tax and spend game. Real visionary policies could be in the offing. Will they take the aggressive approach or be timid?
I fully expect a wealth tax, 2nd home tax, IHT threshold cut, and NI++ to get increased for starters.
Well if that is Starmer's offering there will be plenty of candidates to be Conservative Leader of the Opposition
If you want to avoid that scenario campaign to get Boris out otherwise say goodbye to your inheritance
Added to a wealth tax, 2nd home tax and reversing the most popular tax policy of this century, Osborne's inheritance tax cut, plus NI rises on average earners Labour would likely be out after a term anyway
I wouldn't bet on it
It would be as bad a high tax platform as the 1974 to 1979 Wilson government with strikes most likely on top, while having the high inflation of that period which also plagued the Heath government of 1970 to 1974 to cope with too
But hang on. It's your government which is taxing higher than Wilson's. Not some fantasy non-existent future Labour one. Why aren't you laying into Boris? Tory taxes good. That's why.
Sunak has just cut NI for those earning under £35k and the top income tax rate is nowhere near the 90% odd it effectively was under Wilson. IHT is also lower for most voters than when the Tories came in in 2010
"Wilson". You are having to go back to the ****ing 1970s? Just like Mr Johnson!
Someone (perhaps MoonRabbit?) remarked earlier today how out of date the policies on Blair's pledge card seemed. The Tories are determined to take us back to the Seventies in semmingly endless inventive ways. Bring back Why Don't You?
Because the only good thing about why dont you was there suggestion you turned off the tv and didnt watch it?
It was me. It showed how times and priorities change.
Nothing about immigration on Blair promise card, I remember a Matt cartoon with Labour candidate with head in ground and Matt tells wife (as it’s him he;s drawing) told you not to mention immigration.
Whilst Blair was winning elections big he was fucking up.
No wonder he can’t sleep at night.
I suspect he has bigger worries on his mind than immigration being why he cant sleep like all those he murdered in iraq
Tony Blair enabled Brexit 🙂
“Rather than fear globalisation we should embrace its opportunities”
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Yep, taxes will remain high for the foreseeable. Liar has given the go-ahead for Labour to be more expansive in the tax and spend game. Real visionary policies could be in the offing. Will they take the aggressive approach or be timid?
I fully expect a wealth tax, 2nd home tax, IHT threshold cut, and NI++ to get increased for starters.
Well if that is Starmer's offering there will be plenty of candidates to be Conservative Leader of the Opposition
If you want to avoid that scenario campaign to get Boris out otherwise say goodbye to your inheritance
Added to a wealth tax, 2nd home tax and reversing the most popular tax policy of this century, Osborne's inheritance tax cut, plus NI rises on average earners Labour would likely be out after a term anyway
I wouldn't bet on it
It would be as bad a platform as the the 1974 to 1979 Wilson government with strikes most likely on top, while having the high inflation of that period which also plagued the Heath government of 1970 to 1974 to cope with too
In the meantime your inheritance is under threat
Maybe you need to campaign for a conservative 24 win rather than see Boris as something he isnt
Any government which reversed Osborne's inheritance tax cut would likely lose, it would be even more unpopular than May's dementia tax.
Better to win or lose with Boris and take the hit in 2024 and if necessary rebuild under a new leader in opposition than scrape a 1992 style win under a new leader and then face landslide defeat a la 1997 at the election after and be out for a generation and with Boris and his supporters as bitter as Thatcher and her supporters were from 1990 to 2005 after her toppling.
Not that there is any evidence an alternative Tory leader would poll any better v Starmer than Boris now anyway
Someone (perhaps MoonRabbit?) remarked earlier today how out of date the policies on Blair's pledge card seemed. The Tories are determined to take us back to the Seventies in semmingly endless inventive ways. Bring back Why Don't You?
Because the only good thing about why dont you was there suggestion you turned off the tv and didnt watch it?
It was me. It showed how times and priorities change.
Nothing about immigration on Blair promise card, I remember a Matt cartoon with Labour candidate with head in ground and Matt tells wife (as it’s him he;s drawing) told you not to mention immigration.
Whilst Blair was winning elections big he was fucking up.
No wonder he can’t sleep at night.
I suspect he has bigger worries on his mind than immigration being why he cant sleep like all those he murdered in iraq
Tony Blair enabled Brexit 🙂
“Rather than fear globalisation we should embrace its opportunities”
Enabling brexit was about the only thing he did that was good....sorry if you dont agree but frankly dont care its working well for me
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
I don’t know what to make of Get Carter. I know it’s popular now (was it when it came out?)
Tell me what to make of it? Typical of it’s time sexploitation stuff or something more worthy?
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
I don’t know what to make of Get Carter. I know it’s popular now (was it when it came out?)
Tell me what to make of it? Typical of it’s time sexploitation stuff or something more worthy?
Wiki is actually quite interesting. Looks as if I need to get hold of it myself.
Imperial measurements are just another way to make the UK a less competitive place to do business.
No company is going to make special products in imperial.
Have you ever been to the US?
The US is huge, we are tiny.
You said no company is going to make special products in imperial, but they already do make products in imperial for the US market. Allowing them to be sold here doesn't make the UK less competitive.
Beer is sold in pints in the UK... It's just labeled as 560 ml (or some such,).
Given the inflation situation wouldn't now be the ideal moment to introduce a whole new system of measurements so as to confuse people?
Much thought the idea of returning to imperial units makes me, at best, do a double-take - my inner child would thoroughly enjoy buying 'a quarter of jelly babies' again.
Aiui that is the point. All that will happen is that shopkeepers will be allowed to sell apples by the pound and jelly babies by the quarter. No-one is asking Ford to rejig all their machine tools for the British market (well, apart from putting the steering wheel in front of the driver instead of the front passenger like on the continent). And, confession time, I buy apples and bananas in 8s because that is how many Sainsbury's put in the bag.
You plutocratic bastard, buying bagged bananas. weigh 8 loose bananas next time and see how much money you are spaffing away.
You buy bananas?
Luxury.
In our house we have the kids steal them, and then we pay them 20 pence in the pound for them for their pocket money.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
I don’t know what to make of Get Carter. I know it’s popular now (was it when it came out?)
Tell me what to make of it? Typical of it’s time sexploitation stuff or something more worthy?
Arguably the best British gangster film of all time. Watch it tonight. It is probably on Netflix or one of the others, and there is nothing much on telly.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
Up north we don’t start a 9! Southern muppets.
Plus we dress up. I got dress on this evening. I saw this film where dirty old man said jeans arn’t for taking off they meant to be on all day so you can sort the cows out.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
Is Get Carter the film with the barman with the extra finger?
Yes, before decimalisation innit.
He walks into the Victoria Comet opposite Newcastle Station. You can still do that, despite the metric system, but it'll be a damn sight less smoky. How about smoking in pubs as a pre-election bribe?
What's the food like there? The menu looks tempting and it would be convenient for a day out. But if they started smoking again ...
Someone (perhaps MoonRabbit?) remarked earlier today how out of date the policies on Blair's pledge card seemed. The Tories are determined to take us back to the Seventies in semmingly endless inventive ways. Bring back Why Don't You?
Because the only good thing about why dont you was there suggestion you turned off the tv and didnt watch it?
It was me. It showed how times and priorities change.
Nothing about immigration on Blair promise card, I remember a Matt cartoon with Labour candidate with head in ground and Matt tells wife (as it’s him he;s drawing) told you not to mention immigration.
Whilst Blair was winning elections big he was fucking up.
No wonder he can’t sleep at night.
I suspect he has bigger worries on his mind than immigration being why he cant sleep like all those he murdered in iraq
Tony Blair enabled Brexit 🙂
“Rather than fear globalisation we should embrace its opportunities”
He also wrecked the structure of the United Kingdom and transformed the SNP into a major electoral force.
His leadership transpired to be truly transformational - but possibly not in the manner than he intended.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
I don’t know what to make of Get Carter. I know it’s popular now (was it when it came out?)
Tell me what to make of it? Typical of it’s time sexploitation stuff or something more worthy?
Arguably the best British gangster film of all time. Watch it tonight. It is probably on Netflix or one of the others, and there is nothing much on telly.
Yup, pretty good. Pretty violent, not very pc, but good.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
I don’t know what to make of Get Carter. I know it’s popular now (was it when it came out?)
Tell me what to make of it? Typical of it’s time sexploitation stuff or something more worthy?
Arguably the best British gangster film of all time. Watch it tonight. It is probably on Netflix or one of the others, and there is nothing much on telly.
Much thought the idea of returning to imperial units makes me, at best, do a double-take - my inner child would thoroughly enjoy buying 'a quarter of jelly babies' again.
Aiui that is the point. All that will happen is that shopkeepers will be allowed to sell apples by the pound and jelly babies by the quarter. No-one is asking Ford to rejig all their machine tools for the British market (well, apart from putting the steering wheel in front of the driver instead of the front passenger like on the continent). And, confession time, I buy apples and bananas in 8s because that is how many Sainsbury's put in the bag.
You plutocratic bastard, buying bagged bananas. weigh 8 loose bananas next time and see how much money you are spaffing away.
You buy bananas?
Luxury.
In our house we have the kids steal them, and then we pay them 20 pence in the pound for them for their pocket money.
Imperial measurements are just another way to make the UK a less competitive place to do business.
No company is going to make special products in imperial.
Have you ever been to the US?
The US is huge, we are tiny.
You said no company is going to make special products in imperial, but they already do make products in imperial for the US market. Allowing them to be sold here doesn't make the UK less competitive.
Beer is sold in pints in the UK... It's just labeled as 560 ml (or some such,).
Given the inflation situation wouldn't now be the ideal moment to introduce a whole new system of measurements so as to confuse people?
A Boris of ale?
I do like the idea of a Corbett - which is 5 feet.
Someone (perhaps MoonRabbit?) remarked earlier today how out of date the policies on Blair's pledge card seemed. The Tories are determined to take us back to the Seventies in semmingly endless inventive ways. Bring back Why Don't You?
Because the only good thing about why dont you was there suggestion you turned off the tv and didnt watch it?
It was me. It showed how times and priorities change.
Nothing about immigration on Blair promise card, I remember a Matt cartoon with Labour candidate with head in ground and Matt tells wife (as it’s him he;s drawing) told you not to mention immigration.
Whilst Blair was winning elections big he was fucking up.
No wonder he can’t sleep at night.
I suspect he has bigger worries on his mind than immigration being why he cant sleep like all those he murdered in iraq
Tony Blair enabled Brexit 🙂
“Rather than fear globalisation we should embrace its opportunities”
He also wrecked the structure of the United Kingdom and transformed the SNP into a major electoral force.
His leadership transpired to be truly transformational - but possibly not in the manner than he intended.
The Poll Tax was what really started the SNP going, once people realised what the Tories were up to. Blair, arguably, *delayed* matters with devolution.
I’m not sure I’ve been to a more immediately appealing city
Did you take a midnight train to get there?
Midnight plane from Athens. Arrived dawn. Am knackered but consoling myself with delicious cold Georgian wine at £2 a glass
It’s also absurdly easy to get in. Show your vax status - takes 30 seconds - no visa required. Nothing. You’re in. And you can stay for a year
Also, they are REALLY grateful for our help with Ukraine. There are probably more England flags than Ukrainian
It's no coincidence that those closest to Russia best understand what's at stake in this war.
Best for the entire world that it ends as quickly as possible, in a Russian defeat.
Whilst that is correct, there is no way of reaching that endpoint swiftly.
It is a bit like saying we need to eliminate world hunger swiftly by making sure everyone is fed. Well, no-one disputes it, but without a practical means of achieving it, then it is just vapour.
So, as in most problems, it is a trade-off. There is huge damage that is done by the ongoing war (to Ukraine and the wider world, some poor countries will soon be in real food difficulties) and there is huge damage that is done by finding an unpalatable compromise and rewarding the original violence.
The war was far worse than conceding the original plebiscites under Minsk. If Ukraine had lost the plebiscites (arguable, in fact, as @rcs1000 has pointed out), it would at most have lost the whole of the Donbas.
The war will unfortunately end with Ukraine losing all the Donbas and a swathe of southern Ukraine. There is no way that Putin (or any likely successor) will give up the water supply to the Crimea, or the land corridor to the Crimea, or the Crimea itself.
Wars often end with the bad guys winning. Violence is often rewarded. The recent histories of Palestine, Cyprus, Ireland & Tibet show exactly that.
The script for the Ukraine War was not written in Hollywood ...
As @Dura_Ace predicted, the Russian army will grind out a slow, remorseless, destructive victory of sorts.
It ends with a de facto annexation of some of East Ukraine, and destabilisation of the rest of Ukraine.
Our very own Jeremy Corbyn said on day one that the only certainty was that this war -if it happens -is going to end in a negotiated settlement. 'Why not save thousands of lives and have the negotiation now without the war'. It might sound simplistic but if the Russians prevail it will sound like the most sane thing he has ever said.
Because, you stupid appeasing c*nt, wherever Russia has taken territory it has raped the women wholesale, tortured and slaughtered many civilians, dragged thousands off to Siberia, and liquidated the intelligentsia.
You cannot ‘negotiate’ with this. You fight
I am sure atrocities have been committed by the Russian side, but at this point it's impossible to verify most what we're hearing, as it comes from a Ukrainian side desperate for greater Western intervention, reported unquestioningly by a Western media anxious to be supportive.
Total bollocks, russian forces have form for this long before ukraine, if someone is a serial rapist we take there protestation they are innocent with huge pinches of salt and thats before we look at the fact that a lot of those bodies in mass graves have been shown to have predated the russian retreats.....stop making excuses for evil
Yes they do - they are brutal, destructive, ignorant invaders. However, there have also been false allegations. It's a horrible situation, but when a Government lies in order to inveigle my country into a potential nuclear conflict, my sympathy evaporates fairly fast.
There is no evidence ukraine has lied
Yeah, that Jack Russell really has dug up 200 mines.
I was talking of course about atrocities not silly propaganda stories like Jack russells or the ghost of kyiv.
So they'd make up 'silly propaganda stories', but definitely not make up big things that could actually command the news agenda and push the overton window?
We had the maternity hospital attack, in which in transpired that (tragically) three people lost their lives.
We had the theatre attack where there were alleged to be over a thousand buried in the rubble, then it got very vague and mealy mouthed. There's an interesting on the ground report here, it's Iranian, and I can't and don't vouch for the slant, but he tries to be balanced, and I don't think any Western agencies are now on the ground. It appears that casualties actually sit in the low 10s. Still a tragedy, but nothing like what has been portrayed. How can you miscount by 1000 people? https://www.presstv.co.uk/Detail/2022/05/22/682520/Mariupol-Drama-Theatre-bombing-Ukraine-Russia-conflict-
These things aren't scrutinised or questioned, we just get the outrage, then forget it and move to the next atrocity.
I would urge you, please, to think about who PressTV are and what their agenda is.
I know who PressTV are, and I mentioned their likely slant it in my post. No Western media outlet would ever cast doubt on anything said by the Ukraine authorities - let's not forget that we were recently treated to a BBC newsreader giving us a whitewashing (an unfortunate term in the circumstances) of the Azov Brigade, who are such nice chaps, they're on the USA list of proscribed terrorist groups for their neo-Nazi ideology. So asking for a 'reputable' news outlet just guarantees the same slant - it's a self-fulfilling ordinance.
Regardless of slant, it's interesting to see someone wander the building - not exactly the way you'd expect things to be if the Russians were attempting to hide a massacre. Even if they'd spirited away the bodies, the evidence of what happened would be pretty clear.
The AP report also managed to find not a single person who didn't insist that 100 people died in a field kitchen outside the building. But the PressTV guy bumped into one on the street, indicating it's not that difficult.
The bottom line is that either the building was crammed with 1000 to 1200 people, the vast majority of whom would now be dead, with severely decomposed bodies, with distressed families missing them, with identities etc., or there were few to no people inside the building, hence no rooms full of mangled bodies, no blood everywhere, no relatives, etc.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
Is Get Carter the film with the barman with the extra finger?
Yes, before decimalisation innit.
He walks into the Victoria Comet opposite Newcastle Station. You can still do that, but it'll be a damn sight less smoky. How about smoking in pubs as a pre-election bribe?
Intriguingly, the actual book is set in ... guess
1970-1?
LOL
Hartlepool I was going to say, but now not sure. but the final beach scene of the film is shot near Hartlepool
I'll tell you one thing - if the Tories lose the by-election in Tiverton and Honiton, it won't be for lack of supporters trying to keep the seat. Totnes and Torbay alone sent 40 or so foot-soldiers today.
Observations from door-knocking: Boris has clearly lost the Conservatives some support, but less than I might have expected. Only one person raised Neil's porn antics - and they were still voting Conservative. Much of the dissatisfaction is likely to stay home than go across to the LibDems.
I may have had an utterly unrepresentative sample of voters, but would advise not to put your house on a LibDem win.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
I don’t know what to make of Get Carter. I know it’s popular now (was it when it came out?)
Tell me what to make of it? Typical of it’s time sexploitation stuff or something more worthy?
bit more than that, from memory, or I wouldn't have ordered it. more later.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Yep, taxes will remain high for the foreseeable. Liar has given the go-ahead for Labour to be more expansive in the tax and spend game. Real visionary policies could be in the offing. Will they take the aggressive approach or be timid?
I fully expect a wealth tax, 2nd home tax, IHT threshold cut, and NI++ to get increased for starters.
Well if that is Starmer's offering there will be plenty of candidates to be Conservative Leader of the Opposition
If you want to avoid that scenario campaign to get Boris out otherwise say goodbye to your inheritance
Added to a wealth tax, 2nd home tax and reversing the most popular tax policy of this century, Osborne's inheritance tax cut, plus NI rises on average earners Labour would likely be out after a term anyway
I wouldn't bet on it
It would be as bad a platform as the the 1974 to 1979 Wilson government with strikes most likely on top, while having the high inflation of that period which also plagued the Heath government of 1970 to 1974 to cope with too
In the meantime your inheritance is under threat
Maybe you need to campaign for a conservative 24 win rather than see Boris as something he isnt
Any government which reversed Osborne's inheritance tax cut would likely lose, it would be even more unpopular than May's dementia tax.
Better to win or lose with Boris and take the hit in 2024 and if necessary rebuild under a new leader in opposition than scrape a 1992 style win under a new leader and then face landslide defeat a la 1997 at the election after and be out for a generation and with Boris and his supporters as bitter as Thatcher and her supporters were from 1990 to 2005 after her toppling.
Not that there is any evidence an alternative Tory leader would poll any better v Starmer than Boris now anyway
I'm genuinely amazed to hear that Boris is as treasured in Tory hearts as Maggie. Yes, there will always be a few somewhat oddball leader worshippers (even Ed Miliband got that), but I got the impression that most Tories regard Boris as a complete crook - and bungling one at that - and there'll be a collective sigh of relief when he finally buggers off.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
I don’t know what to make of Get Carter. I know it’s popular now (was it when it came out?)
Tell me what to make of it? Typical of it’s time sexploitation stuff or something more worthy?
It's bleakly violent. Tarantino cites it as a major influence. Think one of his set in 1971 Newcastle. Michael Caine's second best role. After Muppet's Christmas Carol of course.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Yep, taxes will remain high for the foreseeable. Liar has given the go-ahead for Labour to be more expansive in the tax and spend game. Real visionary policies could be in the offing. Will they take the aggressive approach or be timid?
I fully expect a wealth tax, 2nd home tax, IHT threshold cut, and NI++ to get increased for starters.
Well if that is Starmer's offering there will be plenty of candidates to be Conservative Leader of the Opposition
If you want to avoid that scenario campaign to get Boris out otherwise say goodbye to your inheritance
Added to a wealth tax, 2nd home tax and reversing the most popular tax policy of this century, Osborne's inheritance tax cut, plus NI rises on average earners Labour would likely be out after a term anyway
I wouldn't bet on it
It would be as bad a platform as the the 1974 to 1979 Wilson government with strikes most likely on top, while having the high inflation of that period which also plagued the Heath government of 1970 to 1974 to cope with too
In the meantime your inheritance is under threat
Maybe you need to campaign for a conservative 24 win rather than see Boris as something he isnt
Any government which reversed Osborne's inheritance tax cut would likely lose, it would be even more unpopular than May's dementia tax.
Better to win or lose with Boris and take the hit in 2024 and if necessary rebuild under a new leader in opposition than scrape a 1992 style win under a new leader and then face landslide defeat a la 1997 at the election after and be out for a generation and with Boris and his supporters as bitter as Thatcher and her supporters were from 1990 to 2005 after her toppling.
Not that there is any evidence an alternative Tory leader would poll any better v Starmer than Boris now anyway
I'm genuinely amazed to hear that Boris is as treasured in Tory hearts as Maggie. Yes, there will always be a few somewhat oddball leader worshippers (even Ed Miliband got that), but I got the impression that most Tories regard Boris as a complete crook - and bungling one at that - and there'll be a collective sigh of relief when he finally buggers off.
I doubt he is I liked maggie...didnt always agree with her but she was straight...could vote tory and know what you were getting....Boris is just a fatuous cockwomble and have no idea where his mind is as or even if he has one.
I'll tell you one thing - if the Tories lose the by-election in Tiverton and Honiton, it won't be for lack of supporters trying to keep the seat. Totnes and Torbay alone sent 40 or so foot-soldiers today.
Observations from door-knocking: Boris has clearly lost the Conservatives some support, but less than I might have expected. Only one person raised Neil's porn antics - and they were still voting Conservative. Much of the dissatisfaction is likely to stay home than go across to the LibDems.
I may have had an utterly unrepresentative sample of voters, but would advise not to put your house on a LibDem win.
Thanks for the feedback Mark. Did you have a feel for the LD activity? Posters, leaflets, canvassers, activists. Are you getting much help from further afield?
The first handful of LibDem posters were up in the centre of Honiton. Otherwise no obvious sign of political activity yet.
I’m not sure I’ve been to a more immediately appealing city
Did you take a midnight train to get there?
Midnight plane from Athens. Arrived dawn. Am knackered but consoling myself with delicious cold Georgian wine at £2 a glass
It’s also absurdly easy to get in. Show your vax status - takes 30 seconds - no visa required. Nothing. You’re in. And you can stay for a year
Also, they are REALLY grateful for our help with Ukraine. There are probably more England flags than Ukrainian
It's no coincidence that those closest to Russia best understand what's at stake in this war.
Best for the entire world that it ends as quickly as possible, in a Russian defeat.
Whilst that is correct, there is no way of reaching that endpoint swiftly.
It is a bit like saying we need to eliminate world hunger swiftly by making sure everyone is fed. Well, no-one disputes it, but without a practical means of achieving it, then it is just vapour.
So, as in most problems, it is a trade-off. There is huge damage that is done by the ongoing war (to Ukraine and the wider world, some poor countries will soon be in real food difficulties) and there is huge damage that is done by finding an unpalatable compromise and rewarding the original violence.
The war was far worse than conceding the original plebiscites under Minsk. If Ukraine had lost the plebiscites (arguable, in fact, as @rcs1000 has pointed out), it would at most have lost the whole of the Donbas.
The war will unfortunately end with Ukraine losing all the Donbas and a swathe of southern Ukraine. There is no way that Putin (or any likely successor) will give up the water supply to the Crimea, or the land corridor to the Crimea, or the Crimea itself.
Wars often end with the bad guys winning. Violence is often rewarded. The recent histories of Palestine, Cyprus, Ireland & Tibet show exactly that.
The script for the Ukraine War was not written in Hollywood ...
As @Dura_Ace predicted, the Russian army will grind out a slow, remorseless, destructive victory of sorts.
It ends with a de facto annexation of some of East Ukraine, and destabilisation of the rest of Ukraine.
Our very own Jeremy Corbyn said on day one that the only certainty was that this war -if it happens -is going to end in a negotiated settlement. 'Why not save thousands of lives and have the negotiation now without the war'. It might sound simplistic but if the Russians prevail it will sound like the most sane thing he has ever said.
Because, you stupid appeasing c*nt, wherever Russia has taken territory it has raped the women wholesale, tortured and slaughtered many civilians, dragged thousands off to Siberia, and liquidated the intelligentsia.
You cannot ‘negotiate’ with this. You fight
I am sure atrocities have been committed by the Russian side, but at this point it's impossible to verify most what we're hearing, as it comes from a Ukrainian side desperate for greater Western intervention, reported unquestioningly by a Western media anxious to be supportive.
Total bollocks, russian forces have form for this long before ukraine, if someone is a serial rapist we take there protestation they are innocent with huge pinches of salt and thats before we look at the fact that a lot of those bodies in mass graves have been shown to have predated the russian retreats.....stop making excuses for evil
Yes they do - they are brutal, destructive, ignorant invaders. However, there have also been false allegations. It's a horrible situation, but when a Government lies in order to inveigle my country into a potential nuclear conflict, my sympathy evaporates fairly fast.
There is no evidence ukraine has lied
Yeah, that Jack Russell really has dug up 200 mines.
I was talking of course about atrocities not silly propaganda stories like Jack russells or the ghost of kyiv.
So they'd make up 'silly propaganda stories', but definitely not make up big things that could actually command the news agenda and push the overton window?
We had the maternity hospital attack, in which in transpired that (tragically) three people lost their lives.
We had the theatre attack where there were alleged to be over a thousand buried in the rubble, then it got very vague and mealy mouthed. There's an interesting on the ground report here, it's Iranian, and I can't and don't vouch for the slant, but he tries to be balanced, and I don't think any Western agencies are now on the ground. It appears that casualties actually sit in the low 10s. Still a tragedy, but nothing like what has been portrayed. How can you miscount by 1000 people? https://www.presstv.co.uk/Detail/2022/05/22/682520/Mariupol-Drama-Theatre-bombing-Ukraine-Russia-conflict-
These things aren't scrutinised or questioned, we just get the outrage, then forget it and move to the next atrocity.
I would urge you, please, to think about who PressTV are and what their agenda is.
I know who PressTV are, and I mentioned their likely slant it in my post. No Western media outlet would ever cast doubt on anything said by the Ukraine authorities - let's not forget that we were recently treated to a BBC newsreader giving us a whitewashing (an unfortunate term in the circumstances) of the Azov Brigade, who are such nice chaps, they're on the USA list of proscribed terrorist groups for their neo-Nazi ideology. So asking for a 'reputable' news outlet just guarantees the same slant - it's a self-fulfilling ordinance.
Regardless of slant, it's interesting to see someone wander the building - not exactly the way you'd expect things to be if the Russians were attempting to hide a massacre. Even if they'd spirited away the bodies, the evidence of what happened would be pretty clear.
The AP report also managed to find not a single person who didn't insist that 100 people died in a field kitchen outside the building. But the PressTV guy bumped into one on the street, indicating it's not that difficult.
The bottom line is that either the building was crammed with 1000 to 1200 people, the vast majority of whom would now be dead, with severely decomposed bodies, with distressed families missing them, with identities etc., or there were few to no people inside the building, hence no rooms full of mangled bodies, no blood everywhere, no relatives, etc.
I've no idea whether the Ukrainians were lying or telling the truth regards the number of people in the building. I doubt the Azov battalion are a bunch of choirboys but so what? If your country is invaded you need all the help you can get.
None of this changes the fundamentals of the war. Russia has launched a barbaric act of aggression, rubbled cities, killed maimed raped or deported thousands of people and blockaded Odesa threatening a global famine. Everything else is nitpicking and one must wonder at your motives for focusing on such things.
Someone (perhaps MoonRabbit?) remarked earlier today how out of date the policies on Blair's pledge card seemed. The Tories are determined to take us back to the Seventies in semmingly endless inventive ways. Bring back Why Don't You?
Because the only good thing about why dont you was there suggestion you turned off the tv and didnt watch it?
It was me. It showed how times and priorities change.
Nothing about immigration on Blair promise card, I remember a Matt cartoon with Labour candidate with head in ground and Matt tells wife (as it’s him he;s drawing) told you not to mention immigration.
Whilst Blair was winning elections big he was fucking up.
No wonder he can’t sleep at night.
I suspect he has bigger worries on his mind than immigration being why he cant sleep like all those he murdered in iraq
Tony Blair enabled Brexit 🙂
“Rather than fear globalisation we should embrace its opportunities”
He also wrecked the structure of the United Kingdom and transformed the SNP into a major electoral force.
His leadership transpired to be truly transformational - but possibly not in the manner than he intended.
The Poll Tax was what really started the SNP going, once people realised what the Tories were up to. Blair, arguably, *delayed* matters with devolution.
The key problem with devolution is the way that it was structured. Failing either to replace Barnett or resolve the WLQ was bad enough; creating a government with huge legislative competence but virtually no responsibility for raising revenue was even worse.
Let's leave to one side whether or not you think it was a good idea and just assume that it was. The execution of the scheme itself nevertheless looks like the work of negligent, perhaps even mindless, vandals.
I’m not sure I’ve been to a more immediately appealing city
Did you take a midnight train to get there?
Midnight plane from Athens. Arrived dawn. Am knackered but consoling myself with delicious cold Georgian wine at £2 a glass
It’s also absurdly easy to get in. Show your vax status - takes 30 seconds - no visa required. Nothing. You’re in. And you can stay for a year
Also, they are REALLY grateful for our help with Ukraine. There are probably more England flags than Ukrainian
It's no coincidence that those closest to Russia best understand what's at stake in this war.
Best for the entire world that it ends as quickly as possible, in a Russian defeat.
Whilst that is correct, there is no way of reaching that endpoint swiftly.
It is a bit like saying we need to eliminate world hunger swiftly by making sure everyone is fed. Well, no-one disputes it, but without a practical means of achieving it, then it is just vapour.
So, as in most problems, it is a trade-off. There is huge damage that is done by the ongoing war (to Ukraine and the wider world, some poor countries will soon be in real food difficulties) and there is huge damage that is done by finding an unpalatable compromise and rewarding the original violence.
The war was far worse than conceding the original plebiscites under Minsk. If Ukraine had lost the plebiscites (arguable, in fact, as @rcs1000 has pointed out), it would at most have lost the whole of the Donbas.
The war will unfortunately end with Ukraine losing all the Donbas and a swathe of southern Ukraine. There is no way that Putin (or any likely successor) will give up the water supply to the Crimea, or the land corridor to the Crimea, or the Crimea itself.
Wars often end with the bad guys winning. Violence is often rewarded. The recent histories of Palestine, Cyprus, Ireland & Tibet show exactly that.
The script for the Ukraine War was not written in Hollywood ...
As @Dura_Ace predicted, the Russian army will grind out a slow, remorseless, destructive victory of sorts.
It ends with a de facto annexation of some of East Ukraine, and destabilisation of the rest of Ukraine.
Our very own Jeremy Corbyn said on day one that the only certainty was that this war -if it happens -is going to end in a negotiated settlement. 'Why not save thousands of lives and have the negotiation now without the war'. It might sound simplistic but if the Russians prevail it will sound like the most sane thing he has ever said.
Because, you stupid appeasing c*nt, wherever Russia has taken territory it has raped the women wholesale, tortured and slaughtered many civilians, dragged thousands off to Siberia, and liquidated the intelligentsia.
You cannot ‘negotiate’ with this. You fight
I am sure atrocities have been committed by the Russian side, but at this point it's impossible to verify most what we're hearing, as it comes from a Ukrainian side desperate for greater Western intervention, reported unquestioningly by a Western media anxious to be supportive.
Total bollocks, russian forces have form for this long before ukraine, if someone is a serial rapist we take there protestation they are innocent with huge pinches of salt and thats before we look at the fact that a lot of those bodies in mass graves have been shown to have predated the russian retreats.....stop making excuses for evil
Yes they do - they are brutal, destructive, ignorant invaders. However, there have also been false allegations. It's a horrible situation, but when a Government lies in order to inveigle my country into a potential nuclear conflict, my sympathy evaporates fairly fast.
There is no evidence ukraine has lied
Yeah, that Jack Russell really has dug up 200 mines.
I was talking of course about atrocities not silly propaganda stories like Jack russells or the ghost of kyiv.
So they'd make up 'silly propaganda stories', but definitely not make up big things that could actually command the news agenda and push the overton window?
We had the maternity hospital attack, in which in transpired that (tragically) three people lost their lives.
We had the theatre attack where there were alleged to be over a thousand buried in the rubble, then it got very vague and mealy mouthed. There's an interesting on the ground report here, it's Iranian, and I can't and don't vouch for the slant, but he tries to be balanced, and I don't think any Western agencies are now on the ground. It appears that casualties actually sit in the low 10s. Still a tragedy, but nothing like what has been portrayed. How can you miscount by 1000 people? https://www.presstv.co.uk/Detail/2022/05/22/682520/Mariupol-Drama-Theatre-bombing-Ukraine-Russia-conflict-
These things aren't scrutinised or questioned, we just get the outrage, then forget it and move to the next atrocity.
I would urge you, please, to think about who PressTV are and what their agenda is.
I know who PressTV are, and I mentioned their likely slant it in my post. No Western media outlet would ever cast doubt on anything said by the Ukraine authorities - let's not forget that we were recently treated to a BBC newsreader giving us a whitewashing (an unfortunate term in the circumstances) of the Azov Brigade, who are such nice chaps, they're on the USA list of proscribed terrorist groups for their neo-Nazi ideology. So asking for a 'reputable' news outlet just guarantees the same slant - it's a self-fulfilling ordinance.
Regardless of slant, it's interesting to see someone wander the building - not exactly the way you'd expect things to be if the Russians were attempting to hide a massacre. Even if they'd spirited away the bodies, the evidence of what happened would be pretty clear.
The AP report also managed to find not a single person who didn't insist that 100 people died in a field kitchen outside the building. But the PressTV guy bumped into one on the street, indicating it's not that difficult.
The bottom line is that either the building was crammed with 1000 to 1200 people, the vast majority of whom would now be dead, with severely decomposed bodies, with distressed families missing them, with identities etc., or there were few to no people inside the building, hence no rooms full of mangled bodies, no blood everywhere, no relatives, etc.
I've no idea whether the Ukrainians were lying or telling the truth regards the number of people in the building. I doubt the Azov battalion are a bunch of choirboys but so what? If your country is invaded you need all the help you can get.
None of this changes the fundamentals of the war. Russia has launched a barbaric act of aggression, rubbled cities, killed maimed raped or deported thousands of people and blockaded Odesa threatening a global famine. Everything else is nitpicking and one must wonder at your motives for focusing on such things.
People dont call him Putinguy for no reason just saying
Someone (perhaps MoonRabbit?) remarked earlier today how out of date the policies on Blair's pledge card seemed. The Tories are determined to take us back to the Seventies in semmingly endless inventive ways. Bring back Why Don't You?
Because the only good thing about why dont you was there suggestion you turned off the tv and didnt watch it?
It was me. It showed how times and priorities change.
Nothing about immigration on Blair promise card, I remember a Matt cartoon with Labour candidate with head in ground and Matt tells wife (as it’s him he;s drawing) told you not to mention immigration.
Whilst Blair was winning elections big he was fucking up.
No wonder he can’t sleep at night.
I suspect he has bigger worries on his mind than immigration being why he cant sleep like all those he murdered in iraq
Tony Blair enabled Brexit 🙂
“Rather than fear globalisation we should embrace its opportunities”
He also wrecked the structure of the United Kingdom and transformed the SNP into a major electoral force.
His leadership transpired to be truly transformational - but possibly not in the manner than he intended.
The Poll Tax was what really started the SNP going, once people realised what the Tories were up to. Blair, arguably, *delayed* matters with devolution.
The key problem with devolution is the way that it was structured. Failing either to replace Barnett or resolve the WLQ was bad enough; creating a government with huge legislative competence but virtually no responsibility for raising revenue was even worse.
Let's leave to one side whether or not you think it was a good idea and just assume that it was. The execution of the scheme itself nevertheless looks like the work of negligent, perhaps even mindless, vandals.
It's worth remembering, come to think of it, that Mr Blair tried to suppress the revenue raising completely with his unprecedented second question - though the Scots voted for that as well.
Anybody who thinks their taxes are going down in any substantial way over the next 10 years is deluded.
Forecasts today expect interest rates to rise to 3% and with our current debt costing 83 billion pa, goodness knows where that figure will go
Labour have a free pass at present, but they do not have their hands on the exchequer for at least 2 years and if anyone expects todays tax and spend will not change in that period then it is hope over expectation
2024 could result is most any result
“ 2024 could result is most any result”
You sound drunk too. Hope you are. I’m drunk already this is how girl from north rolls in London. When I first came south they said we meeting up in at 9. I said where are you drinking first I can meet you there they said no it’s our first place at 9. I like whaaaaaaat?
Meaning, 3 hours in the future from now? You wanna pace yourself.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
Is Get Carter the film with the barman with the extra finger?
Yes, before decimalisation innit.
He walks into the Victoria Comet opposite Newcastle Station. You can still do that, but it'll be a damn sight less smoky. How about smoking in pubs as a pre-election bribe?
Intriguingly, the actual book is set in ... guess
1970-1?
LOL
Hartlepool I was going to say, but now not sure. but the final beach scene of the film is shot near Hartlepool
Just read that it's half at Blackhall beach, Hartlepool way. And half at Cambois near Blyth which I walk to often. Didn't know that.
I’m not sure I’ve been to a more immediately appealing city
Did you take a midnight train to get there?
Midnight plane from Athens. Arrived dawn. Am knackered but consoling myself with delicious cold Georgian wine at £2 a glass
It’s also absurdly easy to get in. Show your vax status - takes 30 seconds - no visa required. Nothing. You’re in. And you can stay for a year
Also, they are REALLY grateful for our help with Ukraine. There are probably more England flags than Ukrainian
It's no coincidence that those closest to Russia best understand what's at stake in this war.
Best for the entire world that it ends as quickly as possible, in a Russian defeat.
Whilst that is correct, there is no way of reaching that endpoint swiftly.
It is a bit like saying we need to eliminate world hunger swiftly by making sure everyone is fed. Well, no-one disputes it, but without a practical means of achieving it, then it is just vapour.
So, as in most problems, it is a trade-off. There is huge damage that is done by the ongoing war (to Ukraine and the wider world, some poor countries will soon be in real food difficulties) and there is huge damage that is done by finding an unpalatable compromise and rewarding the original violence.
The war was far worse than conceding the original plebiscites under Minsk. If Ukraine had lost the plebiscites (arguable, in fact, as @rcs1000 has pointed out), it would at most have lost the whole of the Donbas.
The war will unfortunately end with Ukraine losing all the Donbas and a swathe of southern Ukraine. There is no way that Putin (or any likely successor) will give up the water supply to the Crimea, or the land corridor to the Crimea, or the Crimea itself.
Wars often end with the bad guys winning. Violence is often rewarded. The recent histories of Palestine, Cyprus, Ireland & Tibet show exactly that.
The script for the Ukraine War was not written in Hollywood ...
As @Dura_Ace predicted, the Russian army will grind out a slow, remorseless, destructive victory of sorts.
It ends with a de facto annexation of some of East Ukraine, and destabilisation of the rest of Ukraine.
Our very own Jeremy Corbyn said on day one that the only certainty was that this war -if it happens -is going to end in a negotiated settlement. 'Why not save thousands of lives and have the negotiation now without the war'. It might sound simplistic but if the Russians prevail it will sound like the most sane thing he has ever said.
Because, you stupid appeasing c*nt, wherever Russia has taken territory it has raped the women wholesale, tortured and slaughtered many civilians, dragged thousands off to Siberia, and liquidated the intelligentsia.
You cannot ‘negotiate’ with this. You fight
I am sure atrocities have been committed by the Russian side, but at this point it's impossible to verify most what we're hearing, as it comes from a Ukrainian side desperate for greater Western intervention, reported unquestioningly by a Western media anxious to be supportive.
Total bollocks, russian forces have form for this long before ukraine, if someone is a serial rapist we take there protestation they are innocent with huge pinches of salt and thats before we look at the fact that a lot of those bodies in mass graves have been shown to have predated the russian retreats.....stop making excuses for evil
Yes they do - they are brutal, destructive, ignorant invaders. However, there have also been false allegations. It's a horrible situation, but when a Government lies in order to inveigle my country into a potential nuclear conflict, my sympathy evaporates fairly fast.
There is no evidence ukraine has lied
Yeah, that Jack Russell really has dug up 200 mines.
I was talking of course about atrocities not silly propaganda stories like Jack russells or the ghost of kyiv.
So they'd make up 'silly propaganda stories', but definitely not make up big things that could actually command the news agenda and push the overton window?
We had the maternity hospital attack, in which in transpired that (tragically) three people lost their lives.
We had the theatre attack where there were alleged to be over a thousand buried in the rubble, then it got very vague and mealy mouthed. There's an interesting on the ground report here, it's Iranian, and I can't and don't vouch for the slant, but he tries to be balanced, and I don't think any Western agencies are now on the ground. It appears that casualties actually sit in the low 10s. Still a tragedy, but nothing like what has been portrayed. How can you miscount by 1000 people? https://www.presstv.co.uk/Detail/2022/05/22/682520/Mariupol-Drama-Theatre-bombing-Ukraine-Russia-conflict-
These things aren't scrutinised or questioned, we just get the outrage, then forget it and move to the next atrocity.
I would urge you, please, to think about who PressTV are and what their agenda is.
I know who PressTV are, and I mentioned their likely slant it in my post. No Western media outlet would ever cast doubt on anything said by the Ukraine authorities - let's not forget that we were recently treated to a BBC newsreader giving us a whitewashing (an unfortunate term in the circumstances) of the Azov Brigade, who are such nice chaps, they're on the USA list of proscribed terrorist groups for their neo-Nazi ideology. So asking for a 'reputable' news outlet just guarantees the same slant - it's a self-fulfilling ordinance.
Regardless of slant, it's interesting to see someone wander the building - not exactly the way you'd expect things to be if the Russians were attempting to hide a massacre. Even if they'd spirited away the bodies, the evidence of what happened would be pretty clear.
The AP report also managed to find not a single person who didn't insist that 100 people died in a field kitchen outside the building. But the PressTV guy bumped into one on the street, indicating it's not that difficult.
The bottom line is that either the building was crammed with 1000 to 1200 people, the vast majority of whom would now be dead, with severely decomposed bodies, with distressed families missing them, with identities etc., or there were few to no people inside the building, hence no rooms full of mangled bodies, no blood everywhere, no relatives, etc.
I've no idea whether the Ukrainians were lying or telling the truth regards the number of people in the building. I doubt the Azov battalion are a bunch of choirboys but so what? If your country is invaded you need all the help you can get.
None of this changes the fundamentals of the war. Russia has launched a barbaric act of aggression, rubbled cities, killed maimed raped or deported thousands of people and blockaded Odesa threatening a global famine. Everything else is nitpicking and one must wonder at your motives for focusing on such things.
Actually I agree with the vast majority of your post. However, it is not 'nitpicking' when a misleading picture of particular events is used to create a public outcry that leads to consent for escalating a conflict with a nuclear power.
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself. Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction. Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements
So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
That is enough to get the Tories to 35% and thus keep Boris in No 10 until the next general election while also preventing a Labour majority at that election
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself. Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction. Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements
So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
If you drill down into the age and party figures, it's the oldie Tory voters who are swamping the totals. Hardly surprising. Perhaps they have hoards of old pennies and halfpennies in a bottle somewhere.... like the garden shed....with an old radio where they listen to Gardener's Question Time and Any Questions on Long Wave, 1500m (edit 1515m since the 80s), like Charters and Caldicott, or even Jacob Rees-Smug...
My dad has £10 and £20 notes in a wallet I laughed where your using them in cashless society 😂
No such thing thankfully here as a cashless society and if you want one all you are doing is handing power to the faceless assholes in whitehall when they can track every penny you spend. Have fun with that
While I have sympathy with that view, the world is changing. An increasing number of shops, restaurants, cafes, etc., here in Los Angeles are card only.
I’m not sure I’ve been to a more immediately appealing city
Did you take a midnight train to get there?
Midnight plane from Athens. Arrived dawn. Am knackered but consoling myself with delicious cold Georgian wine at £2 a glass
It’s also absurdly easy to get in. Show your vax status - takes 30 seconds - no visa required. Nothing. You’re in. And you can stay for a year
Also, they are REALLY grateful for our help with Ukraine. There are probably more England flags than Ukrainian
It's no coincidence that those closest to Russia best understand what's at stake in this war.
Best for the entire world that it ends as quickly as possible, in a Russian defeat.
Whilst that is correct, there is no way of reaching that endpoint swiftly.
It is a bit like saying we need to eliminate world hunger swiftly by making sure everyone is fed. Well, no-one disputes it, but without a practical means of achieving it, then it is just vapour.
So, as in most problems, it is a trade-off. There is huge damage that is done by the ongoing war (to Ukraine and the wider world, some poor countries will soon be in real food difficulties) and there is huge damage that is done by finding an unpalatable compromise and rewarding the original violence.
The war was far worse than conceding the original plebiscites under Minsk. If Ukraine had lost the plebiscites (arguable, in fact, as @rcs1000 has pointed out), it would at most have lost the whole of the Donbas.
The war will unfortunately end with Ukraine losing all the Donbas and a swathe of southern Ukraine. There is no way that Putin (or any likely successor) will give up the water supply to the Crimea, or the land corridor to the Crimea, or the Crimea itself.
Wars often end with the bad guys winning. Violence is often rewarded. The recent histories of Palestine, Cyprus, Ireland & Tibet show exactly that.
The script for the Ukraine War was not written in Hollywood ...
As @Dura_Ace predicted, the Russian army will grind out a slow, remorseless, destructive victory of sorts.
It ends with a de facto annexation of some of East Ukraine, and destabilisation of the rest of Ukraine.
Our very own Jeremy Corbyn said on day one that the only certainty was that this war -if it happens -is going to end in a negotiated settlement. 'Why not save thousands of lives and have the negotiation now without the war'. It might sound simplistic but if the Russians prevail it will sound like the most sane thing he has ever said.
Because, you stupid appeasing c*nt, wherever Russia has taken territory it has raped the women wholesale, tortured and slaughtered many civilians, dragged thousands off to Siberia, and liquidated the intelligentsia.
You cannot ‘negotiate’ with this. You fight
I am sure atrocities have been committed by the Russian side, but at this point it's impossible to verify most what we're hearing, as it comes from a Ukrainian side desperate for greater Western intervention, reported unquestioningly by a Western media anxious to be supportive.
Total bollocks, russian forces have form for this long before ukraine, if someone is a serial rapist we take there protestation they are innocent with huge pinches of salt and thats before we look at the fact that a lot of those bodies in mass graves have been shown to have predated the russian retreats.....stop making excuses for evil
Yes they do - they are brutal, destructive, ignorant invaders. However, there have also been false allegations. It's a horrible situation, but when a Government lies in order to inveigle my country into a potential nuclear conflict, my sympathy evaporates fairly fast.
There is no evidence ukraine has lied
Yeah, that Jack Russell really has dug up 200 mines.
I was talking of course about atrocities not silly propaganda stories like Jack russells or the ghost of kyiv.
So they'd make up 'silly propaganda stories', but definitely not make up big things that could actually command the news agenda and push the overton window?
We had the maternity hospital attack, in which in transpired that (tragically) three people lost their lives.
We had the theatre attack where there were alleged to be over a thousand buried in the rubble, then it got very vague and mealy mouthed. There's an interesting on the ground report here, it's Iranian, and I can't and don't vouch for the slant, but he tries to be balanced, and I don't think any Western agencies are now on the ground. It appears that casualties actually sit in the low 10s. Still a tragedy, but nothing like what has been portrayed. How can you miscount by 1000 people? https://www.presstv.co.uk/Detail/2022/05/22/682520/Mariupol-Drama-Theatre-bombing-Ukraine-Russia-conflict-
These things aren't scrutinised or questioned, we just get the outrage, then forget it and move to the next atrocity.
I would urge you, please, to think about who PressTV are and what their agenda is.
I know who PressTV are, and I mentioned their likely slant it in my post. No Western media outlet would ever cast doubt on anything said by the Ukraine authorities - let's not forget that we were recently treated to a BBC newsreader giving us a whitewashing (an unfortunate term in the circumstances) of the Azov Brigade, who are such nice chaps, they're on the USA list of proscribed terrorist groups for their neo-Nazi ideology. So asking for a 'reputable' news outlet just guarantees the same slant - it's a self-fulfilling ordinance.
Regardless of slant, it's interesting to see someone wander the building - not exactly the way you'd expect things to be if the Russians were attempting to hide a massacre. Even if they'd spirited away the bodies, the evidence of what happened would be pretty clear.
The AP report also managed to find not a single person who didn't insist that 100 people died in a field kitchen outside the building. But the PressTV guy bumped into one on the street, indicating it's not that difficult.
The bottom line is that either the building was crammed with 1000 to 1200 people, the vast majority of whom would now be dead, with severely decomposed bodies, with distressed families missing them, with identities etc., or there were few to no people inside the building, hence no rooms full of mangled bodies, no blood everywhere, no relatives, etc.
I've no idea whether the Ukrainians were lying or telling the truth regards the number of people in the building. I doubt the Azov battalion are a bunch of choirboys but so what? If your country is invaded you need all the help you can get.
None of this changes the fundamentals of the war. Russia has launched a barbaric act of aggression, rubbled cities, killed maimed raped or deported thousands of people and blockaded Odesa threatening a global famine. Everything else is nitpicking and one must wonder at your motives for focusing on such things.
Actually I agree with the vast majority of your post. However, it is not 'nitpicking' when a misleading picture of particular events is used to create a public outcry that leads to consent for escalating a conflict with a nuclear power.
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
A lot of dry goods and groceries are sold as 454g. Ever wondered why?
Much thought the idea of returning to imperial units makes me, at best, do a double-take - my inner child would thoroughly enjoy buying 'a quarter of jelly babies' again.
Aiui that is the point. All that will happen is that shopkeepers will be allowed to sell apples by the pound and jelly babies by the quarter. No-one is asking Ford to rejig all their machine tools for the British market (well, apart from putting the steering wheel in front of the driver instead of the front passenger like on the continent). And, confession time, I buy apples and bananas in 8s because that is how many Sainsbury's put in the bag.
You plutocratic bastard, buying bagged bananas. weigh 8 loose bananas next time and see how much money you are spaffing away.
You buy bananas?
Luxury.
In our house we have the kids steal them, and then we pay them 20 pence in the pound for them for their pocket money.
This is also a key part of their education: when they start their own hedge funds, they will be paid on "two and twenty", i.e. capturing 20% of the upside via fees. And it's important to learn that it doesn't matter how you get the performance... only that you get it.
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
A lot of dry goods and groceries are sold as 454g. Ever wondered why?
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself. Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction. Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements
So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
That is enough to get the Tories to 35% and thus keep Boris in No 10 until the next general election while also preventing a Labour majority at that election
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
We'll know they're getting really desperate/crazed/both when they decide to bring back the old money as well.
Imperial units made about as much sense as Brexit itself. Brexit has hit this country financially, using Imperial units should continue that direction. Does anyone believe it will give Boris a boost?
I'm starting to think Boris is becoming unhinged. Whatever you think of the Red Wall motivation for Brexit - a base hatred of the alien or a noble longing for sovereignty - surely no one sane thinks a return to imperial measurements was part of the calculation. Boris is starting to think that he has some profound insight into the mind of the masses when he clearly doesn't have a clue. That's dangerous.
63% of Tory voters and 64% of Leave voters backed plans to make it legal for shops to sell only in imperial measurements
So about a third of the British population then. We're in 'Believe Princess Di was assassinated' territory here.
If you drill down into the age and party figures, it's the oldie Tory voters who are swamping the totals. Hardly surprising. Perhaps they have hoards of old pennies and halfpennies in a bottle somewhere.... like the garden shed....with an old radio where they listen to Gardener's Question Time and Any Questions on Long Wave, 1500m (edit 1515m since the 80s), like Charters and Caldicott, or even Jacob Rees-Smug...
My dad has £10 and £20 notes in a wallet I laughed where your using them in cashless society 😂
No such thing thankfully here as a cashless society and if you want one all you are doing is handing power to the faceless assholes in whitehall when they can track every penny you spend. Have fun with that
While I have sympathy with that view, the world is changing. An increasing number of shops, restaurants, cafes, etc., here in Los Angeles are card only.
Shortly, they will be contactless payments only.
Many racecourses are now card only, so you can't spend your cash winnings in the bar. For the racecourses, it is more secure and more efficient (meaning fewer jobs).
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson bids for Jubilee boost with return of imperial measurements Downing Street will hope it shores up support among key Brexiteer voters in battleground seats which Tories are currently in danger of losing
Really got their fingers on public opinion. I don't even understand imperial measurements
I understand them just fine as I do metric and I didn't even go to university, are you really saying its hard to convert in your head?
But what's the point?
The point is that the law says you *have* to use metric. Getting rid of that obligation is a good thing. It should be up to customers and businesses what they use
Putin is a bully he only responds to strength, we tell him you withdraw from all of ukraine or we first strike you he will back down as he cant be sure now his nuclear missiles are even working. Simple as that
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The Tories are determined to take us back to the Seventies in semmingly endless inventive ways.
Bring back Why Don't You?
The rebellion by his mps is gathering pace and as I reported earlier Graham Brady may well announce the vonc on return from recess
I expect you will say he will win the vonc, but in so doing he will be holed below his plimsoll line
Now mastery of English is another matter for me !!!!
Far too conservative. And couldn't kick a goal.
Their game plan to suffocate Field and Bevan French worked perfectly.
Apart from the one time it didn't.
Nothing about immigration on Blair promise card, I remember a Matt cartoon with Labour candidate with head in ground and Matt tells wife (as it’s him he;s drawing) told you not to mention immigration.
Whilst Blair was winning elections big he was fucking up.
No wonder he can’t sleep at night.
Just got a DVD of Get Carter in the post (proper 1971 one) so gonna watch that now.
https://www.mylondon.news/lifestyle/travel/london-underground-london-bus-overground-24073044
Are you saying an inch is therefore a metric measurement?
And doesn't that mean a foot, yard and mile have all changed too? Or is a foot no longer exactly 12 inches?
Narrowly win again though a la 1992 and the risk is Labour do then get a landslide win at the election after that la 1997 and really are in for definite for a decade or more.
If Sky keep referring to this day after day, which they will, it can only be a matter of time to the vonc arriving
Observations from door-knocking: Boris has clearly lost the Conservatives some support, but less than I might have expected. Only one person raised Neil's porn antics - and they were still voting Conservative. Much of the dissatisfaction is likely to stay home than go across to the LibDems.
I may have had an utterly unrepresentative sample of voters, but would advise not to put your house on a LibDem win.
Maybe you need to campaign for a conservative 24 win rather than see Boris as something he isnt
It's your government which is taxing higher than Wilson's. Not some fantasy non-existent future Labour one.
Why aren't you laying into Boris?
Tory taxes good. That's why.
Just different enough to cause real problems.
And whoever invented the fluid ounce should be dug up and shot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inch
My recollection is that of the entire film with drownings, throwings off car parks etc etc the most shocking bit is when he rams someone's head against a car window, and the window isn't anti-shatter.
How about smoking in pubs as a pre-election bribe?
“Rather than fear globalisation we should embrace its opportunities”
Better to win or lose with Boris and take the hit in 2024 and if necessary rebuild under a new leader in opposition than scrape a 1992 style win under a new leader and then face landslide defeat a la 1997 at the election after and be out for a generation and with Boris and his supporters as bitter as Thatcher and her supporters were from 1990 to 2005 after her toppling.
Not that there is any evidence an alternative Tory leader would poll any better v Starmer than Boris now anyway
Tell me what to make of it? Typical of it’s time sexploitation stuff or something more worthy?
Luxury.
In our house we have the kids steal them, and then we pay them 20 pence in the pound for them for their pocket money.
Plus we dress up. I got dress on this evening. I saw this film where dirty old man said jeans arn’t for taking off they meant to be on all day so you can sort the cows out.
His leadership transpired to be truly transformational - but possibly not in the manner than he intended.
Regardless of slant, it's interesting to see someone wander the building - not exactly the way you'd expect things to be if the Russians were attempting to hide a massacre. Even if they'd spirited away the bodies, the evidence of what happened would be pretty clear.
The AP report also managed to find not a single person who didn't insist that 100 people died in a field kitchen outside the building. But the PressTV guy bumped into one on the street, indicating it's not that difficult.
The bottom line is that either the building was crammed with 1000 to 1200 people, the vast majority of whom would now be dead, with severely decomposed bodies, with distressed families missing them, with identities etc., or there were few to no people inside the building, hence no rooms full of mangled bodies, no blood everywhere, no relatives, etc.
Hartlepool I was going to say, but now not sure. but the final beach scene of the film is shot near Hartlepool
Thanks Mark.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-61617224
Michael Caine's second best role. After Muppet's Christmas Carol of course.
None of this changes the fundamentals of the war. Russia has launched a barbaric act of aggression, rubbled cities, killed maimed raped or deported thousands of people and blockaded Odesa threatening a global famine. Everything else is nitpicking and one must wonder at your motives for focusing on such things.
Let's leave to one side whether or not you think it was a good idea and just assume that it was. The execution of the scheme itself nevertheless looks like the work of negligent, perhaps even mindless, vandals.
“You’ll Never Walk Alone”, means wifey needs to help move you from the pub to the taxi at the end of the night, right?
Didn't know that.
Shortly, they will be contactless payments only.
I just hope they've got one big game left in them. Fatigue has been showing recently.