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Fuck Business Boris!Carnyx said:
What the **** did you expect? Oh, Sunil!Sunil_Prasannan said:
I freely confess to voting for the Tories in 2019, but now I hate Boris's guts.BlancheLivermore said:
If anyone believes that this is a fair representation of the PM's words after watching the whole video, then their brains are contorted by Boris hatred.Foxy said:In other news:
Boris Johnson speaking to Bloomberg, saying Putin needs to be given a way to back down on Ukraine -- "So he's able to withdraw with dignity and honour".
https://twitter.com/BakerLuke/status/1530138334500204544?t=PI1b6VmD8bTCUaTAHKDTSA&s=19
vid here - https://twitter.com/BloombergUK/status/1530129893048078336
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Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.2 -
No matter what the government spends, its never enough....
BBC News - Cost of living: Is the government package really worth £37bn?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/61594553
It conveniently ignores that 25bn is going to be spent uprating benefits to oldies etc (if that is a good use of money is a different matter).0 -
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It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.4 -
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When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.1 -
Quite a few of them seem to be already utilising it and are all on a coach with @LeonFrancisUrquhart said:No matter what the government spends, its never enough....
BBC News - Cost of living: Is the government package really worth £37bn?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/61594553
It conveniently ignores that 25bn is going to be spent uprating benefits to oldies etc (if that is a good use of money is a different matter).0 -
She keeps lifting up the bag to quickly eat sunflower seedsNigel_Foremain said:
I suspect she is an expert virologist who understand viruses are remarkably polite, and always refrain from attacking you if you are snacking4 -
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idol, oh no, he will endorse it with complete reckless abandon.Applicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.2 -
Rory the (ex)Tory wants to get back into politics.
Boris' ex-colleague says he is a disgrace & considers return to politics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8ZslHXbAuI2 -
On topic, while, in context and given the Committee's Report, the changes are understandable, it's damn silly time to announce them.
They also seem to go further than the Committee recommended.0 -
Well we all know you couldn't catch covid if you left the pub before 10pm and eat Scotch Eggs with your pint...Leon said:
She keeps lifting up the bag to quickly eat sunflower seedsNigel_Foremain said:
I suspect she is an expert virologist who understand viruses are remarkably polite, and always refrain from attacking you if you are snacking1 -
Are you sure she isn't just someone with a beekeeper fetish?Leon said:
She keeps lifting up the bag to quickly eat sunflower seedsNigel_Foremain said:
I suspect she is an expert virologist who understand viruses are remarkably polite, and always refrain from attacking you if you are snacking0 -
Is that with the allegedly new Blair-Davidson party? I can't see it happening with the Tories in their current state of degeneration from Conservatism.FrancisUrquhart said:Rory the (ex)Tory wants to get back into politics.
Boris' ex-colleague says he is a disgrace & considers return to politics
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I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.0 -
Interviewed by a guy in a baseball cap. What on earth is he thinking.FrancisUrquhart said:Rory the (ex)Tory wants to get back into politics.
Boris' ex-colleague says he is a disgrace & considers return to politics
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MPs belatedly pushed back when he tried to sabotage the standards regime to save Paterson, but they seem to have been worn down by now. I also don't think it is a sensible recommendation whoever made it - as the government itself has done many times, the Committee on Standards in Public Life don't always get it right, indeed the government has rejected most of its recommendations on ethics in local government. Very dismissively in fact. It should be considered, but some dismissals are reasonable, even if many are not.
When people are in such high profile and powerful positions, it is not unfair or unreasonable to hold them to a very high standard, such that, yes, a minor breach should mean resignation. If it was indeed minor, and they are contrite and have learned something, they can always be brought back after a time.
Anything else is a whinge that the most powerful people in the country are being held to high standards, when they asked to be placed in positions of such power, and that whinge should not be given any weight.1 -
I understand. Boris Johnson apologists generally have difficulty with paying attention beyond a few seconds.Applicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.0 -
There he goes again.Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologistsApplicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.0 -
Sadly not. We had a break an hour ago at a service station. She was incredibly cautious getting off the bus and then made sure she was 20 foot away from anyone else at all timesNigel_Foremain said:
Are you sure she isn't just someone with a beekeeper fetish?Leon said:
She keeps lifting up the bag to quickly eat sunflower seedsNigel_Foremain said:
I suspect she is an expert virologist who understand viruses are remarkably polite, and always refrain from attacking you if you are snacking
Driven mad by covid panto. It is rather pitiful. She sums up the madness of the last two and a half years, really2 -
Actually the 25 billion is over and above the 37 billion, 22 billion in Spring and 15 billion yesterday made up the 37 billionFrancisUrquhart said:No matter what the government spends, its never enough....
BBC News - Cost of living: Is the government package really worth £37bn?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/61594553
It conveniently ignores that 25bn is going to be spent uprating benefits to oldies etc (if that is a good use of money is a different matter).0 -
Oh, only one second.Applicant said:
There he goes again.Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologistsApplicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.0 -
Scholz apologists, on the other hand..Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologists generally have difficulty with paying attention beyond a few seconds.Applicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.0 -
I've been away at Hay for a couple of days so slightly out of touch, but I don't think we've seen any polls since the Sunak statement? It's had an enthusiastic welcome to the point that the BBC could hardly be bothere dto dig up a critic, though they eventually found a backbench Tory.
Given that, we should expect a Tory bounce. Whether it's substantial and lasts more than a couple of days will tell us a lot about whether the Labour leads have been frothy midterm stuff or voters are quietly determined to remove the Tories from office, even when they do something that people mostly like. What do we expect? My guess is a Labour lead down to 1-2. points for now, recovering to 4-5 after a few days.
On other news, to please TSE and others, I'm going with a friend to the Abba event tomorrow. Will report back!2 -
Well, if you include a lie after one second, there isn't any need to go any further, is there? Do keep up, old chap.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh, only one second.Applicant said:
There he goes again.Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologistsApplicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.1 -
I would love to do a little psychological study on those that are susceptible to siding with or believing Boris Johnson and those in Russia that believe that Russia is carrying out a "special military operation" and "denazifying" Ukraine. Psychological profiling and surveying could be done to discover how much is actually down to just being genuinely gullible and how much is down to living in a state with restricted media. It would be quite fascinating.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh, only one second.Applicant said:
There he goes again.Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologistsApplicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.0 -
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Or, NOT fascinating. As the case may beNigel_Foremain said:
I would love to do a little psychological study on those that are susceptible to siding with or believing Boris Johnson and those in Russia that believe that Russia is carrying out a "special military operation" and "denazifying" Ukraine. Psychological profiling and surveying could be done to discover how much is actually down to just being genuinely gullible and how much is down to living in a state with restricted media. It would be quite fascinating.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh, only one second.Applicant said:
There he goes again.Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologistsApplicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.0 -
Well, each to their own. If I were carrying out the survey I would need to put caveats for unconscious bias of my own, which in anything to do with Johnson would need to be considerable.Leon said:
Or, NOT fascinating. As the case may beNigel_Foremain said:
I would love to do a little psychological study on those that are susceptible to siding with or believing Boris Johnson and those in Russia that believe that Russia is carrying out a "special military operation" and "denazifying" Ukraine. Psychological profiling and surveying could be done to discover how much is actually down to just being genuinely gullible and how much is down to living in a state with restricted media. It would be quite fascinating.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh, only one second.Applicant said:
There he goes again.Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologistsApplicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.0 -
And who suggested the removal of any reference to integrity ?Applicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.0 -
I am not an apologist for him. The German nation has moved form being a militaristic nation to a pacifist one. You are clearly too dim to realise this and make sweeping generalisations and judgements based on childish anti-German prejudice.BlancheLivermore said:
Scholz apologists, on the other hand..Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologists generally have difficulty with paying attention beyond a few seconds.Applicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.1 -
Those caveats could form the basis of a more interesting study into the real phenomenon of Boris Derangement Syndrome.Nigel_Foremain said:
Well, each to their own. If I were carrying out the survey I would need to put caveats for unconscious bias of my own, which in anything to do with Johnson would need to be considerable.Leon said:
Or, NOT fascinating. As the case may beNigel_Foremain said:
I would love to do a little psychological study on those that are susceptible to siding with or believing Boris Johnson and those in Russia that believe that Russia is carrying out a "special military operation" and "denazifying" Ukraine. Psychological profiling and surveying could be done to discover how much is actually down to just being genuinely gullible and how much is down to living in a state with restricted media. It would be quite fascinating.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh, only one second.Applicant said:
There he goes again.Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologistsApplicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.0 -
A quick Ctrl-F finds a reference to integrity.Nigelb said:
And who suggested the removal of any reference to integrity ?Applicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
But in any case, all the headlines seem to be about the introduction of lesser sanctions than removal from office...1 -
What looks like a solid EU plan to facilitate Ukranian grain exports, via customs easing, priority access to EU ports (Gdansk being central), priority for Ukranian grain trains on the EU network and priority access to silo capacity. Should help get this year's harvest on the move, though with a majority of the oblasts with the highest grain production* being under some degree of or close to Russian occupation, next year's harvest must be a grave concern.
* Odessa, Mykolaiv, Kherson, Zaporzhzhia, Dnipro, Kharkiv, Luhansk1 -
Is that a syndrome that causes someone to be a ludicrously extreme Europhile at one time and then a frothing swivel-eyed antiforeigner EU-phobe the next?williamglenn said:
Those caveats could form the basis of a more interesting study into the real phenomenon of Boris Derangement Syndrome.Nigel_Foremain said:
Well, each to their own. If I were carrying out the survey I would need to put caveats for unconscious bias of my own, which in anything to do with Johnson would need to be considerable.Leon said:
Or, NOT fascinating. As the case may beNigel_Foremain said:
I would love to do a little psychological study on those that are susceptible to siding with or believing Boris Johnson and those in Russia that believe that Russia is carrying out a "special military operation" and "denazifying" Ukraine. Psychological profiling and surveying could be done to discover how much is actually down to just being genuinely gullible and how much is down to living in a state with restricted media. It would be quite fascinating.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh, only one second.Applicant said:
There he goes again.Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologistsApplicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.0 -
Ok Nigelforgermanappeasementpolicies.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am not an apologist for him. The German nation has moved form being a militaristic nation to a pacifist one. You are clearly too dim to realise this and make sweeping generalisations and judgements based on childish anti-German prejudice.BlancheLivermore said:
Scholz apologists, on the other hand..Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologists generally have difficulty with paying attention beyond a few seconds.Applicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.0 -
I see you have adopted the Johnsonian quibble.Applicant said:
A quick Ctrl-F finds a reference to integrity.Nigelb said:
And who suggested the removal of any reference to integrity ?Applicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
But in any case, all the headlines seem to be about the introduction of lesser sanctions than removal from office...
Who recommended the rather brutal changes to the foreward ?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches.0 -
Oh dear. Playground stuff. If you want to debate with the grownups you ought to wait until you have graduated to senior school.BlancheLivermore said:
Ok Nigelforgermanappeasementpolicies.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am not an apologist for him. The German nation has moved form being a militaristic nation to a pacifist one. You are clearly too dim to realise this and make sweeping generalisations and judgements based on childish anti-German prejudice.BlancheLivermore said:
Scholz apologists, on the other hand..Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologists generally have difficulty with paying attention beyond a few seconds.Applicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.0 -
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You can see where this is heading...
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffSharlet/status/1529930193481220110
The governor of Oklahoma, who just signed a bill banning abortion, period, is being primaried by another Republican who says life begins *before* conception. Yes, you read that right.0 -
If you're reliant on changes to the foreword which, being the foreword, isn't even part of the Code itself...Nigelb said:
I see you have adopted the Johnsonian quibble.Applicant said:
A quick Ctrl-F finds a reference to integrity.Nigelb said:
And who suggested the removal of any reference to integrity ?Applicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
But in any case, all the headlines seem to be about the introduction of lesser sanctions than removal from office...
Who recommended the rather brutal changes to the foreward ?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches.
Really, this looks like an attept to complain about literally everything he does in the hope that something sticks. It risks looking like crying wolf. Focus on the actual wolf.2 -
Use of the expression {Foo} Derangement Syndrome is by a country mile the biggest wankerdom indicator on the internet.williamglenn said:
Those caveats could form the basis of a more interesting study into the real phenomenon of Boris Derangement Syndrome.Nigel_Foremain said:
Well, each to their own. If I were carrying out the survey I would need to put caveats for unconscious bias of my own, which in anything to do with Johnson would need to be considerable.Leon said:
Or, NOT fascinating. As the case may beNigel_Foremain said:
I would love to do a little psychological study on those that are susceptible to siding with or believing Boris Johnson and those in Russia that believe that Russia is carrying out a "special military operation" and "denazifying" Ukraine. Psychological profiling and surveying could be done to discover how much is actually down to just being genuinely gullible and how much is down to living in a state with restricted media. It would be quite fascinating.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh, only one second.Applicant said:
There he goes again.Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologistsApplicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.
And the rewriting of the code is the least interesting thing about this story.
'In his introduction to the previous edition of the ministerial code, the Prime Minister said ministers must "uphold the very highest standards of propriety" - words that have been removed from the revamped edition.
The new introduction says the code should "guide my ministers on how they should act and arrange their affairs".
And the foreword no longer explicitly mentions the seven Nolan principles of public life - integrity, objectivity, accountability, transparency, honesty and leadership in the public interest.'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-waters-down-ethics-27083430
nothing there to give you a moment's pause?2 -
Not saying that this is where William Glenn is coming from but I’m sure there is a sizeable subset of people who truly believed that being in the EU was best for Britain (in our interests foremost and what is best for Britain is best) and so were very anti leaving but at the same time they believed that the UK could “change” the EU from within to be more like the UK.Nigel_Foremain said:
Is that a syndrome that causes someone to be a ludicrously extreme Europhile at one time and then a frothing swivel-eyed antiforeigner EU-phobe the next?williamglenn said:
Those caveats could form the basis of a more interesting study into the real phenomenon of Boris Derangement Syndrome.Nigel_Foremain said:
Well, each to their own. If I were carrying out the survey I would need to put caveats for unconscious bias of my own, which in anything to do with Johnson would need to be considerable.Leon said:
Or, NOT fascinating. As the case may beNigel_Foremain said:
I would love to do a little psychological study on those that are susceptible to siding with or believing Boris Johnson and those in Russia that believe that Russia is carrying out a "special military operation" and "denazifying" Ukraine. Psychological profiling and surveying could be done to discover how much is actually down to just being genuinely gullible and how much is down to living in a state with restricted media. It would be quite fascinating.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh, only one second.Applicant said:
There he goes again.Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologistsApplicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.
Therefore it’s not necessarily unlikely that there are anti-Brexit people who view the UK as the best, foreigners less so and thus wanted to stay in but now we are out then we are out so their views on other Europeans are still “anti” but more obvious as we aren’t part of the club anymore so don’t have to subsume those feelings for the greater good.
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It'll take some more effort to convince me that you're a grown up. You resort to crude expletive laden abuse at such a low threshold; you remind me of the stupidest children at school.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh dear. Playground stuff. If you want to debate with the grownups you ought to wait until you have graduated to senior school.BlancheLivermore said:
Ok Nigelforgermanappeasementpolicies.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am not an apologist for him. The German nation has moved form being a militaristic nation to a pacifist one. You are clearly too dim to realise this and make sweeping generalisations and judgements based on childish anti-German prejudice.BlancheLivermore said:
Scholz apologists, on the other hand..Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologists generally have difficulty with paying attention beyond a few seconds.Applicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.0 -
Be sure that whatever Tory MPs do will be based on their perception of pure personal advantage, not on anything to do with principle.0
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Three NW hospitals declare critical incidents due to IT failures.0
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A kind of xenophobic British exceptionalist Remainer? I guess it is an interesting possibility that such people might exist.boulay said:
Not saying that this is where William Glenn is coming from but I’m sure there is a sizeable subset of people who truly believed that being in the EU was best for Britain (in our interests foremost and what is best for Britain is best) and so were very anti leaving but at the same time they believed that the UK could “change” the EU from within to be more like the UK.Nigel_Foremain said:
Is that a syndrome that causes someone to be a ludicrously extreme Europhile at one time and then a frothing swivel-eyed antiforeigner EU-phobe the next?williamglenn said:
Those caveats could form the basis of a more interesting study into the real phenomenon of Boris Derangement Syndrome.Nigel_Foremain said:
Well, each to their own. If I were carrying out the survey I would need to put caveats for unconscious bias of my own, which in anything to do with Johnson would need to be considerable.Leon said:
Or, NOT fascinating. As the case may beNigel_Foremain said:
I would love to do a little psychological study on those that are susceptible to siding with or believing Boris Johnson and those in Russia that believe that Russia is carrying out a "special military operation" and "denazifying" Ukraine. Psychological profiling and surveying could be done to discover how much is actually down to just being genuinely gullible and how much is down to living in a state with restricted media. It would be quite fascinating.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh, only one second.Applicant said:
There he goes again.Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologistsApplicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.
Therefore it’s not necessarily unlikely that there are anti-Brexit people who view the UK as the best, foreigners less so and thus wanted to stay in but now we are out then we are out so their views on other Europeans are still “anti” but more obvious as we aren’t part of the club anymore so don’t have to subsume those feelings for the greater good.1 -
WTF !Nigelb said:You can see where this is heading...
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffSharlet/status/1529930193481220110
The governor of Oklahoma, who just signed a bill banning abortion, period, is being primaried by another Republican who says life begins *before* conception. Yes, you read that right.0 -
He's on PM right now.RH1992 said:Another letter into Sir Graham Brady.
https://twitter.com/neill_bob/status/1530220000560263171
Basically says constituents' feedback.
An outbreak of BDS on his patch?1 -
Total nonsense. There are plenty of honourable people on both sides of the house.Chris said:Be sure that whatever Tory MPs do will be based on their perception of pure personal advantage, not on anything to do with principle.
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Worth bearing in mind, £37 billion is the bung given by Government to Hinkley C.....FrancisUrquhart said:No matter what the government spends, its never enough....
BBC News - Cost of living: Is the government package really worth £37bn?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/61594553
It conveniently ignores that 25bn is going to be spent uprating benefits to oldies etc (if that is a good use of money is a different matter).
Just for context on government largesse.0 -
It's also the co-incidence of the two things.IshmaelZ said:
Use of the expression {Foo} Derangement Syndrome is by a country mile the biggest wankerdom indicator on the internet.williamglenn said:
Those caveats could form the basis of a more interesting study into the real phenomenon of Boris Derangement Syndrome.Nigel_Foremain said:
Well, each to their own. If I were carrying out the survey I would need to put caveats for unconscious bias of my own, which in anything to do with Johnson would need to be considerable.Leon said:
Or, NOT fascinating. As the case may beNigel_Foremain said:
I would love to do a little psychological study on those that are susceptible to siding with or believing Boris Johnson and those in Russia that believe that Russia is carrying out a "special military operation" and "denazifying" Ukraine. Psychological profiling and surveying could be done to discover how much is actually down to just being genuinely gullible and how much is down to living in a state with restricted media. It would be quite fascinating.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh, only one second.Applicant said:
There he goes again.Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologistsApplicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.
And the rewriting of the code is the least interesting thing about this story.
'In his introduction to the previous edition of the ministerial code, the Prime Minister said ministers must "uphold the very highest standards of propriety" - words that have been removed from the revamped edition.
The new introduction says the code should "guide my ministers on how they should act and arrange their affairs".
And the foreword no longer explicitly mentions the seven Nolan principles of public life - integrity, objectivity, accountability, transparency, honesty and leadership in the public interest.'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-waters-down-ethics-27083430
nothing there to give you a moment's pause?
The foreword gives an indication of how the PM will interpret the new code.0 -
Please. It goes back to Plato:Nigel_Foremain said:
WTF !Nigelb said:You can see where this is heading...
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffSharlet/status/1529930193481220110
The governor of Oklahoma, who just signed a bill banning abortion, period, is being primaried by another Republican who says life begins *before* conception. Yes, you read that right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-existence0 -
Bob Neill statement -
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I have always enjoyed a good expletive. A prudish disdain for it only shows your lack of class and style that fits well with your low intellect excuses for xenophobia.BlancheLivermore said:
It'll take some more effort to convince me that you're a grown up. You resort to crude expletive laden abuse at such a low threshold; you remind me of the stupidest children at school.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh dear. Playground stuff. If you want to debate with the grownups you ought to wait until you have graduated to senior school.BlancheLivermore said:
Ok Nigelforgermanappeasementpolicies.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am not an apologist for him. The German nation has moved form being a militaristic nation to a pacifist one. You are clearly too dim to realise this and make sweeping generalisations and judgements based on childish anti-German prejudice.BlancheLivermore said:
Scholz apologists, on the other hand..Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologists generally have difficulty with paying attention beyond a few seconds.Applicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.0 -
YouGov poll on the horizon:
Looks like these tweets have been taken down for breaking an embargo, but I got a screenshot so will just post them here.
Why? Because if you deliberately try to line your poll up to release at the same time as ours to spike us, I will be petty.
https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/15302206953131663370 -
It is also the only thing which is Johnson's own, personal, non-collaborative output, you dork. And it is utterly astonishing. Hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue, to quote a posh French bloke I can guarantee you have never heard of, and Boris can no longer even be arsed to pay that homage.Applicant said:
If you're reliant on changes to the foreword which, being the foreword, isn't even part of the Code itself...Nigelb said:
I see you have adopted the Johnsonian quibble.Applicant said:
A quick Ctrl-F finds a reference to integrity.Nigelb said:
And who suggested the removal of any reference to integrity ?Applicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
But in any case, all the headlines seem to be about the introduction of lesser sanctions than removal from office...
Who recommended the rather brutal changes to the foreward ?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches.
Really, this looks like an attept to complain about literally everything he does in the hope that something sticks. It risks looking like crying wolf. Focus on the actual wolf.
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"So are they all, all honorable men ..."Nigel_Foremain said:
Total nonsense. There are plenty of honourable people on both sides of the house.Chris said:Be sure that whatever Tory MPs do will be based on their perception of pure personal advantage, not on anything to do with principle.
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A few days ago, there was a riff here (H/T @El_Capitano) on BoJo's brilliance as a moral frog-boiler. Each step is sufficiently justifiable if you want to, and after a while you end up looking silly moaning about each little step. But the sum of all the steps takes the nation from the acceptable place to the bad place.IshmaelZ said:
Use of the expression {Foo} Derangement Syndrome is by a country mile the biggest wankerdom indicator on the internet.williamglenn said:
Those caveats could form the basis of a more interesting study into the real phenomenon of Boris Derangement Syndrome.Nigel_Foremain said:
Well, each to their own. If I were carrying out the survey I would need to put caveats for unconscious bias of my own, which in anything to do with Johnson would need to be considerable.Leon said:
Or, NOT fascinating. As the case may beNigel_Foremain said:
I would love to do a little psychological study on those that are susceptible to siding with or believing Boris Johnson and those in Russia that believe that Russia is carrying out a "special military operation" and "denazifying" Ukraine. Psychological profiling and surveying could be done to discover how much is actually down to just being genuinely gullible and how much is down to living in a state with restricted media. It would be quite fascinating.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh, only one second.Applicant said:
There he goes again.Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologistsApplicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.
And the rewriting of the code is the least interesting thing about this story.
'In his introduction to the previous edition of the ministerial code, the Prime Minister said ministers must "uphold the very highest standards of propriety" - words that have been removed from the revamped edition.
The new introduction says the code should "guide my ministers on how they should act and arrange their affairs".
And the foreword no longer explicitly mentions the seven Nolan principles of public life - integrity, objectivity, accountability, transparency, honesty and leadership in the public interest.'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-waters-down-ethics-27083430
nothing there to give you a moment's pause?
That's what moral decay has always looked like.6 -
Yes, makes complete sense to codify it in present day law.Chris said:
Please. It goes back to Plato:Nigel_Foremain said:
WTF !Nigelb said:You can see where this is heading...
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffSharlet/status/1529930193481220110
The governor of Oklahoma, who just signed a bill banning abortion, period, is being primaried by another Republican who says life begins *before* conception. Yes, you read that right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-existence0 -
Most definitely not. Good and bad in all parties. Most of them have gone into parliament for honourable reasons, albeit with a certain amount of ego and self-aggrandisement.Chris said:
"So are they all, all honorable men ..."Nigel_Foremain said:
Total nonsense. There are plenty of honourable people on both sides of the house.Chris said:Be sure that whatever Tory MPs do will be based on their perception of pure personal advantage, not on anything to do with principle.
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Bloody good stuff, Tories lose all but 3 of 88 battleground seats, incl Uxbridge.CarlottaVance said:YouGov poll on the horizon:
Looks like these tweets have been taken down for breaking an embargo, but I got a screenshot so will just post them here.
Why? Because if you deliberately try to line your poll up to release at the same time as ours to spike us, I will be petty.
https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/15302206953131663371 -
How do you arrive at the conclusion that I'm anti-foreigner?Nigel_Foremain said:
Is that a syndrome that causes someone to be a ludicrously extreme Europhile at one time and then a frothing swivel-eyed antiforeigner EU-phobe the next?williamglenn said:
Those caveats could form the basis of a more interesting study into the real phenomenon of Boris Derangement Syndrome.Nigel_Foremain said:
Well, each to their own. If I were carrying out the survey I would need to put caveats for unconscious bias of my own, which in anything to do with Johnson would need to be considerable.Leon said:
Or, NOT fascinating. As the case may beNigel_Foremain said:
I would love to do a little psychological study on those that are susceptible to siding with or believing Boris Johnson and those in Russia that believe that Russia is carrying out a "special military operation" and "denazifying" Ukraine. Psychological profiling and surveying could be done to discover how much is actually down to just being genuinely gullible and how much is down to living in a state with restricted media. It would be quite fascinating.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh, only one second.Applicant said:
There he goes again.Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologistsApplicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.
Now that I think of it, your attitude is very similar to those Germans who looked down on anyone who disagreed with rapprochement with Russia and saw it as a low-status opinion only held by people who read tabloids like Bild. In your case, you associate any criticism of Germany with "two World Wars and one World Cup" football chants and think disagreeing with it is a mark of sophistication. Where disagreement isn't possible, you think a good cosmopolitan should just maintain a dignified silence lest they whip up anti-foreigner sentiment.4 -
The bit on Buddhism in that wiki is spectacularly from one tradition only. It uses the word "soul". Suspect written by a Christian. No such concept.Chris said:
Please. It goes back to Plato:Nigel_Foremain said:
WTF !Nigelb said:You can see where this is heading...
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffSharlet/status/1529930193481220110
The governor of Oklahoma, who just signed a bill banning abortion, period, is being primaried by another Republican who says life begins *before* conception. Yes, you read that right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-existence
But that's enough pedantry.0 -
I swore at you in German in reply on the last thread. And I'll do it again; Schwanzlutscher.Nigel_Foremain said:
I have always enjoyed a good expletive. A prudish disdain for it only shows your lack of class and style that fits well with your low intellect excuses for xenophobia.BlancheLivermore said:
It'll take some more effort to convince me that you're a grown up. You resort to crude expletive laden abuse at such a low threshold; you remind me of the stupidest children at school.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh dear. Playground stuff. If you want to debate with the grownups you ought to wait until you have graduated to senior school.BlancheLivermore said:
Ok Nigelforgermanappeasementpolicies.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am not an apologist for him. The German nation has moved form being a militaristic nation to a pacifist one. You are clearly too dim to realise this and make sweeping generalisations and judgements based on childish anti-German prejudice.BlancheLivermore said:
Scholz apologists, on the other hand..Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologists generally have difficulty with paying attention beyond a few seconds.Applicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.
Your crass rants are really low powered. As I said, you remind me of the stupid children from when I was at school.0 -
That's a different question, of course. But I think the implication of the post I was replying to was "how could anyone believe anything so stupid?". That was just a reflection of ignorance.Nigelb said:
Yes, makes complete sense to codify it in present day law.Chris said:
Please. It goes back to Plato:Nigel_Foremain said:
WTF !Nigelb said:You can see where this is heading...
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffSharlet/status/1529930193481220110
The governor of Oklahoma, who just signed a bill banning abortion, period, is being primaried by another Republican who says life begins *before* conception. Yes, you read that right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-existence0 -
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Do you not think that these people do not exist in other EU countries? You don’t think there are French people who love the EU but looked down on the UK and felt they could shape the EU to be more French for example?Nigel_Foremain said:
A kind of xenophobic British exceptionalist Remainer? I guess it is an interesting possibility that such people might exist.boulay said:
Not saying that this is where William Glenn is coming from but I’m sure there is a sizeable subset of people who truly believed that being in the EU was best for Britain (in our interests foremost and what is best for Britain is best) and so were very anti leaving but at the same time they believed that the UK could “change” the EU from within to be more like the UK.Nigel_Foremain said:
Is that a syndrome that causes someone to be a ludicrously extreme Europhile at one time and then a frothing swivel-eyed antiforeigner EU-phobe the next?williamglenn said:
Those caveats could form the basis of a more interesting study into the real phenomenon of Boris Derangement Syndrome.Nigel_Foremain said:
Well, each to their own. If I were carrying out the survey I would need to put caveats for unconscious bias of my own, which in anything to do with Johnson would need to be considerable.Leon said:
Or, NOT fascinating. As the case may beNigel_Foremain said:
I would love to do a little psychological study on those that are susceptible to siding with or believing Boris Johnson and those in Russia that believe that Russia is carrying out a "special military operation" and "denazifying" Ukraine. Psychological profiling and surveying could be done to discover how much is actually down to just being genuinely gullible and how much is down to living in a state with restricted media. It would be quite fascinating.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh, only one second.Applicant said:
There he goes again.Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologistsApplicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.
Therefore it’s not necessarily unlikely that there are anti-Brexit people who view the UK as the best, foreigners less so and thus wanted to stay in but now we are out then we are out so their views on other Europeans are still “anti” but more obvious as we aren’t part of the club anymore so don’t have to subsume those feelings for the greater good.
Or does every pro EU person in the EU love and praise all actions by other member states?0 -
Obvs the grumpiness has spread from PB this afternoon.CarlottaVance said:YouGov poll on the horizon:
Looks like these tweets have been taken down for breaking an embargo, but I got a screenshot so will just post them here.
Why? Because if you deliberately try to line your poll up to release at the same time as ours to spike us, I will be petty.
https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1530220695313166337
*checks clock and remembers there is some NZ white in the fridge*2 -
Tax or slash - Scots could face tax hikes or cuts to services to tackle £3.5bn deficit
Finance secretary Kate Forbes is facing the choice of either raising taxes or cutting funding for services to reverse a projected multi-billion pound deficit in Scotland’s finances, the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) has warned.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/tax-or-slash-scots-could-face-tax-hikes-or-cuts-to-services-to-tackle-ps35bn-deficit-37122280 -
Argentinian pink. T -24.Carnyx said:
Obvs the grumpiness has spread from PB this afternoon.CarlottaVance said:YouGov poll on the horizon:
Looks like these tweets have been taken down for breaking an embargo, but I got a screenshot so will just post them here.
Why? Because if you deliberately try to line your poll up to release at the same time as ours to spike us, I will be petty.
https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1530220695313166337
*checks clock and remembers there is some NZ white in the fridge*
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I always had the impression lots of people wanted the UK to remain in the EU in order to make the EU more like the UK.Nigel_Foremain said:
A kind of xenophobic British exceptionalist Remainer? I guess it is an interesting possibility that such people might exist.boulay said:
Not saying that this is where William Glenn is coming from but I’m sure there is a sizeable subset of people who truly believed that being in the EU was best for Britain (in our interests foremost and what is best for Britain is best) and so were very anti leaving but at the same time they believed that the UK could “change” the EU from within to be more like the UK.Nigel_Foremain said:
Is that a syndrome that causes someone to be a ludicrously extreme Europhile at one time and then a frothing swivel-eyed antiforeigner EU-phobe the next?williamglenn said:
Those caveats could form the basis of a more interesting study into the real phenomenon of Boris Derangement Syndrome.Nigel_Foremain said:
Well, each to their own. If I were carrying out the survey I would need to put caveats for unconscious bias of my own, which in anything to do with Johnson would need to be considerable.Leon said:
Or, NOT fascinating. As the case may beNigel_Foremain said:
I would love to do a little psychological study on those that are susceptible to siding with or believing Boris Johnson and those in Russia that believe that Russia is carrying out a "special military operation" and "denazifying" Ukraine. Psychological profiling and surveying could be done to discover how much is actually down to just being genuinely gullible and how much is down to living in a state with restricted media. It would be quite fascinating.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh, only one second.Applicant said:
There he goes again.Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologistsApplicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.
Therefore it’s not necessarily unlikely that there are anti-Brexit people who view the UK as the best, foreigners less so and thus wanted to stay in but now we are out then we are out so their views on other Europeans are still “anti” but more obvious as we aren’t part of the club anymore so don’t have to subsume those feelings for the greater good.1 -
Indeed, and it disappears as soon as he is replaced, which if people would stop being obsessed by trivialities might actually happen this side of the general election - or the autumn.IshmaelZ said:
It is also the only thing which is Johnson's own, personal, non-collaborative outputApplicant said:
If you're reliant on changes to the foreword which, being the foreword, isn't even part of the Code itself...Nigelb said:
I see you have adopted the Johnsonian quibble.Applicant said:
A quick Ctrl-F finds a reference to integrity.Nigelb said:
And who suggested the removal of any reference to integrity ?Applicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
But in any case, all the headlines seem to be about the introduction of lesser sanctions than removal from office...
Who recommended the rather brutal changes to the foreward ?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches.
Really, this looks like an attept to complain about literally everything he does in the hope that something sticks. It risks looking like crying wolf. Focus on the actual wolf.0 -
*momentarily confused at the idea of packs of hounds for hunting Patagonian foxes*IshmaelZ said:
Argentinian pink. T -24.Carnyx said:
Obvs the grumpiness has spread from PB this afternoon.CarlottaVance said:YouGov poll on the horizon:
Looks like these tweets have been taken down for breaking an embargo, but I got a screenshot so will just post them here.
Why? Because if you deliberately try to line your poll up to release at the same time as ours to spike us, I will be petty.
https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1530220695313166337
*checks clock and remembers there is some NZ white in the fridge*0 -
Not at all. Going from "What the Fuck?" to "But that's only one tradition of Buddhism" is a definite advance.dixiedean said:
The bit on Buddhism in that wiki is spectacularly from one tradition only. It uses the word "soul". Suspect written by a Christian. No such concept.Chris said:
Please. It goes back to Plato:Nigel_Foremain said:
WTF !Nigelb said:You can see where this is heading...
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffSharlet/status/1529930193481220110
The governor of Oklahoma, who just signed a bill banning abortion, period, is being primaried by another Republican who says life begins *before* conception. Yes, you read that right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-existence
But that's enough pedantry.0 -
If I am one of those stupid children you must have had the pointy hat on with a D on it because I don't think any impartial observer would think you are winning this exchangeBlancheLivermore said:
I swore at you in German in reply on the last thread. And I'll do it again; Schwanzlutscher.Nigel_Foremain said:
I have always enjoyed a good expletive. A prudish disdain for it only shows your lack of class and style that fits well with your low intellect excuses for xenophobia.BlancheLivermore said:
It'll take some more effort to convince me that you're a grown up. You resort to crude expletive laden abuse at such a low threshold; you remind me of the stupidest children at school.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh dear. Playground stuff. If you want to debate with the grownups you ought to wait until you have graduated to senior school.BlancheLivermore said:
Ok Nigelforgermanappeasementpolicies.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am not an apologist for him. The German nation has moved form being a militaristic nation to a pacifist one. You are clearly too dim to realise this and make sweeping generalisations and judgements based on childish anti-German prejudice.BlancheLivermore said:
Scholz apologists, on the other hand..Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologists generally have difficulty with paying attention beyond a few seconds.Applicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.
Your crass rants are really low powered. As I said, you remind me of the stupid children from when I was at school.0 -
The one which started with you throwing a "fuck yourself" hissy fit on the last thread because I called you Nigelforgermany?Nigel_Foremain said:
If I am one of those stupid children you must have had the pointy hat on with a D on it because I don't think any impartial observer would think you are winning this exchangeBlancheLivermore said:
I swore at you in German in reply on the last thread. And I'll do it again; Schwanzlutscher.Nigel_Foremain said:
I have always enjoyed a good expletive. A prudish disdain for it only shows your lack of class and style that fits well with your low intellect excuses for xenophobia.BlancheLivermore said:
It'll take some more effort to convince me that you're a grown up. You resort to crude expletive laden abuse at such a low threshold; you remind me of the stupidest children at school.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh dear. Playground stuff. If you want to debate with the grownups you ought to wait until you have graduated to senior school.BlancheLivermore said:
Ok Nigelforgermanappeasementpolicies.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am not an apologist for him. The German nation has moved form being a militaristic nation to a pacifist one. You are clearly too dim to realise this and make sweeping generalisations and judgements based on childish anti-German prejudice.BlancheLivermore said:
Scholz apologists, on the other hand..Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologists generally have difficulty with paying attention beyond a few seconds.Applicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.
Your crass rants are really low powered. As I said, you remind me of the stupid children from when I was at school.
You winner.1 -
Yes, I have seen The Handmaid's Tale.Nigelb said:You can see where this is heading...
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffSharlet/status/1529930193481220110
The governor of Oklahoma, who just signed a bill banning abortion, period, is being primaried by another Republican who says life begins *before* conception. Yes, you read that right.2 -
Ah, the famously badly camouflaged Russian Tank.IshmaelZ said:
Argentinian pink. T -24.Carnyx said:
Obvs the grumpiness has spread from PB this afternoon.CarlottaVance said:YouGov poll on the horizon:
Looks like these tweets have been taken down for breaking an embargo, but I got a screenshot so will just post them here.
Why? Because if you deliberately try to line your poll up to release at the same time as ours to spike us, I will be petty.
https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1530220695313166337
*checks clock and remembers there is some NZ white in the fridge*4 -
Yea but unlike your bland and dull posts it was an articulate hissy fit, with the expletive thrown in for good measure. If you want to insult people on here expect to be taken to task. As your debating ain't that top rank it might be a good idea to be a little more polite.BlancheLivermore said:
The one which started with you throwing a "fuck yourself" hissy fit on the last thread because I called you Nigelforgermany?Nigel_Foremain said:
If I am one of those stupid children you must have had the pointy hat on with a D on it because I don't think any impartial observer would think you are winning this exchangeBlancheLivermore said:
I swore at you in German in reply on the last thread. And I'll do it again; Schwanzlutscher.Nigel_Foremain said:
I have always enjoyed a good expletive. A prudish disdain for it only shows your lack of class and style that fits well with your low intellect excuses for xenophobia.BlancheLivermore said:
It'll take some more effort to convince me that you're a grown up. You resort to crude expletive laden abuse at such a low threshold; you remind me of the stupidest children at school.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh dear. Playground stuff. If you want to debate with the grownups you ought to wait until you have graduated to senior school.BlancheLivermore said:
Ok Nigelforgermanappeasementpolicies.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am not an apologist for him. The German nation has moved form being a militaristic nation to a pacifist one. You are clearly too dim to realise this and make sweeping generalisations and judgements based on childish anti-German prejudice.BlancheLivermore said:
Scholz apologists, on the other hand..Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologists generally have difficulty with paying attention beyond a few seconds.Applicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.
Your crass rants are really low powered. As I said, you remind me of the stupid children from when I was at school.
You winner.0 -
Every sperm is sacred.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Yes, I have seen The Handmaid's Tale.Nigelb said:You can see where this is heading...
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffSharlet/status/1529930193481220110
The governor of Oklahoma, who just signed a bill banning abortion, period, is being primaried by another Republican who says life begins *before* conception. Yes, you read that right.4 -
Would have come into its own if they had made it to Picardy.boulay said:
Ah, the famously badly camouflaged Russian Tank.IshmaelZ said:
Argentinian pink. T -24.Carnyx said:
Obvs the grumpiness has spread from PB this afternoon.CarlottaVance said:YouGov poll on the horizon:
Looks like these tweets have been taken down for breaking an embargo, but I got a screenshot so will just post them here.
Why? Because if you deliberately try to line your poll up to release at the same time as ours to spike us, I will be petty.
https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1530220695313166337
*checks clock and remembers there is some NZ white in the fridge*
0 -
Pink works surprisingly well in the halflight of dawn in certain environments - hence the RAF reconnaissance Spitfires, and the SAS Land-Rovers. And the Royal Navy ships painted in Mountbatten Pink - or 'Nipple Pink' to the USN.boulay said:
Ah, the famously badly camouflaged Russian Tank.IshmaelZ said:
Argentinian pink. T -24.Carnyx said:
Obvs the grumpiness has spread from PB this afternoon.CarlottaVance said:YouGov poll on the horizon:
Looks like these tweets have been taken down for breaking an embargo, but I got a screenshot so will just post them here.
Why? Because if you deliberately try to line your poll up to release at the same time as ours to spike us, I will be petty.
https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1530220695313166337
*checks clock and remembers there is some NZ white in the fridge*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountbatten_pink
https://www.shipcamouflage.com/4_7.htm0 -
Or Peppa Pig World.IshmaelZ said:
Would have come into its own if they had made it to Picardy.boulay said:
Ah, the famously badly camouflaged Russian Tank.IshmaelZ said:
Argentinian pink. T -24.Carnyx said:
Obvs the grumpiness has spread from PB this afternoon.CarlottaVance said:YouGov poll on the horizon:
Looks like these tweets have been taken down for breaking an embargo, but I got a screenshot so will just post them here.
Why? Because if you deliberately try to line your poll up to release at the same time as ours to spike us, I will be petty.
https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1530220695313166337
*checks clock and remembers there is some NZ white in the fridge*0 -
The drip drip of conservative mps sending in letters will hopefully gain momentum over this holiday period triggering the 54 needed on their return as they mix at various jubilee parties and find out how toxic Boris is
The irony that jubilee parties could see his denouement
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‘Twas also the subject of a slightly eccentric scientist who decided flamingoes were pink as camouflage at sunset and sunrise. No idea what they did for the rest of the day, mind.Carnyx said:
Pink works surprisingly well in the halflight of dawn in certain environments - hence the RAF reconnaissance Spitfires, and the SAS Land-Rovers. And the Royal Navy ships painted in Mountbatten Pink - or 'Nipple Pink' to the USN.boulay said:
Ah, the famously badly camouflaged Russian Tank.IshmaelZ said:
Argentinian pink. T -24.Carnyx said:
Obvs the grumpiness has spread from PB this afternoon.CarlottaVance said:YouGov poll on the horizon:
Looks like these tweets have been taken down for breaking an embargo, but I got a screenshot so will just post them here.
Why? Because if you deliberately try to line your poll up to release at the same time as ours to spike us, I will be petty.
https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1530220695313166337
*checks clock and remembers there is some NZ white in the fridge*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountbatten_pink
https://www.shipcamouflage.com/4_7.htm0 -
I seem to recall a lot of planes sent to North Africa in WW2 were painted a shade of pink.Carnyx said:
Pink works surprisingly well in the halflight of dawn in certain environments - hence the RAF reconnaissance Spitfires, and the SAS Land-Rovers. And the Royal Navy ships painted in Mountbatten Pink - or 'Nipple Pink' to the USN.boulay said:
Ah, the famously badly camouflaged Russian Tank.IshmaelZ said:
Argentinian pink. T -24.Carnyx said:
Obvs the grumpiness has spread from PB this afternoon.CarlottaVance said:YouGov poll on the horizon:
Looks like these tweets have been taken down for breaking an embargo, but I got a screenshot so will just post them here.
Why? Because if you deliberately try to line your poll up to release at the same time as ours to spike us, I will be petty.
https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1530220695313166337
*checks clock and remembers there is some NZ white in the fridge*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountbatten_pink
https://www.shipcamouflage.com/4_7.htm0 -
Even when J Arthur applies?turbotubbs said:
Every sperm is sacred.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Yes, I have seen The Handmaid's Tale.Nigelb said:You can see where this is heading...
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffSharlet/status/1529930193481220110
The governor of Oklahoma, who just signed a bill banning abortion, period, is being primaried by another Republican who says life begins *before* conception. Yes, you read that right.2 -
Sounds a good strategy for 'people' seeking divorceNigel_Foremain said:
WTF !Nigelb said:You can see where this is heading...
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffSharlet/status/1529930193481220110
The governor of Oklahoma, who just signed a bill banning abortion, period, is being primaried by another Republican who says life begins *before* conception. Yes, you read that right.
Your honour, I demand 19 years of support for the children we have not decided to have yet !0 -
I think this latest wheeze to change the ministerial code is going to play out badly for Johnson, it whiffs of the attempts to change the rules to save Owen Patterson and we all know how that worked out.
Hopefully it will be the straw that breaks the camel's back but it may well be wishful thinking on my part and the current Tory Party really does have no shame is is going to go the full Trump.0 -
No, that was quite funny, I’m afraid. A clever parody of the German compound nounNigel_Foremain said:
Oh dear. Playground stuff. If you want to debate with the grownups you ought to wait until you have graduated to senior school.BlancheLivermore said:
Ok Nigelforgermanappeasementpolicies.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am not an apologist for him. The German nation has moved form being a militaristic nation to a pacifist one. You are clearly too dim to realise this and make sweeping generalisations and judgements based on childish anti-German prejudice.BlancheLivermore said:
Scholz apologists, on the other hand..Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologists generally have difficulty with paying attention beyond a few seconds.Applicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.0 -
I admire your sense of hope @Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales said:The drip drip of conservative mps sending in letters will hopefully gain momentum over this holiday period triggering the 54 needed on their return as they mix at various jubilee parties and find out how toxic Boris is
The irony that jubilee parties could see his denouement
I just can't see it happening now.0 -
I agree. It certainly should be the final straw.OllyT said:I think this latest wheeze to change the ministerial code is going to play out badly for Johnson, it whiffs of the attempts to change the rules to save Owen Patterson and we all know how that worked out.
Hopefully it will be the straw that breaks the camel's back but it may well be wishful thinking on my part and the current Tory Party really does have no shame.0 -
The USAF idea of 'sand'? Yes, I can well believe it, though it might have been the faded 'sand' after some exposure.boulay said:
I seem to recall a lot of planes sent to North Africa in WW2 were painted a shade of pink.Carnyx said:
Pink works surprisingly well in the halflight of dawn in certain environments - hence the RAF reconnaissance Spitfires, and the SAS Land-Rovers. And the Royal Navy ships painted in Mountbatten Pink - or 'Nipple Pink' to the USN.boulay said:
Ah, the famously badly camouflaged Russian Tank.IshmaelZ said:
Argentinian pink. T -24.Carnyx said:
Obvs the grumpiness has spread from PB this afternoon.CarlottaVance said:YouGov poll on the horizon:
Looks like these tweets have been taken down for breaking an embargo, but I got a screenshot so will just post them here.
Why? Because if you deliberately try to line your poll up to release at the same time as ours to spike us, I will be petty.
https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1530220695313166337
*checks clock and remembers there is some NZ white in the fridge*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountbatten_pink
https://www.shipcamouflage.com/4_7.htm0 -
You truly believe that your insipid and floppy rant was articulate? It was as sharp as a half sucked marshmallow.Nigel_Foremain said:
Yea but unlike your bland and dull posts it was an articulate hissy fit, with the expletive thrown in for good measure. If you want to insult people on here expect to be taken to task. As your debating ain't that top rank it might be a good idea to be a little more polite.BlancheLivermore said:
The one which started with you throwing a "fuck yourself" hissy fit on the last thread because I called you Nigelforgermany?Nigel_Foremain said:
If I am one of those stupid children you must have had the pointy hat on with a D on it because I don't think any impartial observer would think you are winning this exchangeBlancheLivermore said:
I swore at you in German in reply on the last thread. And I'll do it again; Schwanzlutscher.Nigel_Foremain said:
I have always enjoyed a good expletive. A prudish disdain for it only shows your lack of class and style that fits well with your low intellect excuses for xenophobia.BlancheLivermore said:
It'll take some more effort to convince me that you're a grown up. You resort to crude expletive laden abuse at such a low threshold; you remind me of the stupidest children at school.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh dear. Playground stuff. If you want to debate with the grownups you ought to wait until you have graduated to senior school.BlancheLivermore said:
Ok Nigelforgermanappeasementpolicies.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am not an apologist for him. The German nation has moved form being a militaristic nation to a pacifist one. You are clearly too dim to realise this and make sweeping generalisations and judgements based on childish anti-German prejudice.BlancheLivermore said:
Scholz apologists, on the other hand..Nigel_Foremain said:
I understand. Boris Johnson apologists generally have difficulty with paying attention beyond a few seconds.Applicant said:
I stopped reading there.Nigel_Foremain said:
What if it is a dumb recommendation? Someone with a modicum of decency might say, "hey that's not going to look good". But not your idolApplicant said:
When a politician is in a no-win situation, it's only fair to point that out.Nigel_Foremain said:
It has worked well for quite a long time, until this clown came into office. I have to congratulate you though, you must have a super thick skin and very flexible morals to be such an unapologetic apologist for Boris JohnsonApplicant said:Missing from the header: any mention of why the change was made.
But I guess it's too important that opposition politicians should be able to demand ministers' resignations for the most trivial of perceived transgressions.
He's done plenty of bad things. Implementing a recommendation from the Committee on Standards in Public Life is not one of them.
Your crass rants are really low powered. As I said, you remind me of the stupid children from when I was at school.
You winner.0 -
Bit of an overly vigorous thread. I'll be in the garden.0
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I canrottenborough said:
I admire your sense of hope @Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales said:The drip drip of conservative mps sending in letters will hopefully gain momentum over this holiday period triggering the 54 needed on their return as they mix at various jubilee parties and find out how toxic Boris is
The irony that jubilee parties could see his denouement
I just can't see it happening now.1 -
Bob Neill specifically mentioned it as helping to confirm it was right to send a letter.OllyT said:I think this latest wheeze to change the ministerial code is going to play out badly for Johnson, it whiffs of the attempts to change the rules to save Owen Patterson and we all know how that worked out.
Hopefully it will be the straw that breaks the camel's back but it may well be wishful thinking on my part and the current Tory Party really does have no shame.1
