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Ohio, Ohio, Ohio – Measuring Trump’s Chances – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,387
edited May 2022 in General
imageOhio, Ohio, Ohio – Measuring Trump’s Chances – politicalbetting.com

There is an election today, and it might be rather a consequential one. Yep: it’s the Republican Senate Primary in Ohio, and it’s going to give us an early glimpse into Trump’s ongoing popularity with ‘the base’. Because the three leading candidate represent the three different strands within the GOP:

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  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,165
    Premier
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,050
    CatMan said:

    Premier

    Get Inn?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,480
    Ohio is Trump country, voting for him in 2020 as well as 2016. I expect therefore that Vance will win the GOP primary
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771
    ydoethur said:

    Get Inn?
    More Travelodge, 2BH.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729
    The venture capitalist Vance had a brief career as liberal America's scold during the Brexit-Trump aftermath era, but like many other writers and academics who settled into that position, turns out he was just covering for extreme-right positions in politics, like the US election conspiracies. Sad.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,011
    The view from Ohio:

    " “We’ve been listening to political ads since last September — it’s awful,” said Mike Heister, 62, who owns an insurance brokerage and lives in Green Township."

    NY Time live blog
  • Liverpool score!

    2-3 Liverpool lead in aggregate.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242

    The view from Ohio:

    " “We’ve been listening to political ads since last September — it’s awful,” said Mike Heister, 62, who owns an insurance brokerage and lives in Green Township."

    NY Time live blog

    That's not awful, it's hell.

    Thank christ we don't have to put up with that shit.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242
    I know endorsements from people we like are significant, but even so it'd be nice if people thought things through for themselves just a little bit more rather than so clearly just doing what we're told. That's not a knock on Trumpers, it's common enough behaviour.
  • Interesting thread Robert. Hopefully Dolan wins from what you've said, but I wouldn't hold my breath expecting that result.

    Interestingly Trump didn't win the Ohio primary in 2016, but considering it was the home state of Kasich who did win it, I'm not sure how much can be read into that.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,050
    mwadams said:

    More Travelodge, 2BH.
    Well, hotel puns were never my Forte.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Anyone who describes birth merely in topological terms has never been at a birth.
    A creepy virgin writes.

    I have.

    Wanna bet about it?
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641
    Liverpool party central
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641
    Liverpool party central
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    NYT Live blog

    Ohio and Indiana are shaded red on a different type of map: Parts of both states are under a tornado watch until 9 p.m. Eastern time. The watch area includes Cincinnati, Columbus, Dayton and southeastern Indiana.

    SSI - Potentially this could hurt Vance a bit, as he's only major GOP US Senate hopeful from SW Ohio, others are from NE, and his turf is in the watch zone.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    Well, hotel puns were never my Forte.
    It's fate at work:

    The moving finger writes; and, having Ritz,
    Moves on...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,425
    ydoethur said:

    Well, hotel puns were never my Forte.
    You normally share a ton of them.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,993

    And a rather pompous and arrogant one too.

    You seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you is your inferior.
    I certainly believe that anyone who disagrees with me is my inferior.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,050
    Incidentally, I'm wondering if this is a false flag thread. I know it says it's rcs, but it doesn't seem to mention Radiohead.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Democratic nominee for US Senate from Ohio, likely Tim Ryan, will likely do best IF Vance is GOP nominee. As he can appeal to Republicans turned off by 45's toxic twit.

    My guess is that IF any of the other Republicans gets nominated, then GOP vote will be LESS inclined to flake off, as the flakes will NOT vote for Dem, and are likely to hold their noses, show up and vote the GOP ticket in November.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,050
    rcs1000 said:

    I certainly believe that anyone who disagrees with me is my inferior.
    There are two sides to every argument. My side and a wrong side.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,394
    rcs1000 said:

    I certainly believe that anyone who disagrees with me is my inferior.

    [taps mic]

    WRONG
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,421
    rcs1000 said:

    I certainly believe that anyone who disagrees with me is my inferior.
    I misread the sentence, I thought you said "is my mother"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,011
    kle4 said:

    That's not awful, it's hell.

    Thank christ we don't have to put up with that shit.
    Don't give the Tories ideas for another dead cat.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,249

    Congratulations to @Roger for his 15/1 tip on Liverpool at Half Time. Joins the Oscars as something Rogerdamus can tip about ;)

    Thank you! This could be the start of a beautiful friendship............
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,389
    Supporting Liverpool takes years off my life but my God, this season is something else.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,389
    Roger said:

    I hope no one missed my 15/1 tip on Liverpool!

    Well done sir!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Don't give the Tories ideas for another dead cat.
    Be difficult to improve on this now quite topical one:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfFVt6VD5cM
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,116
    rcs1000 said:

    Just for the avoidance of doubt, the new updated 2022 PB rulebook is:

    1. Don't deny the holocaust. And if you do deny the holocaust and are asked politely by the moderators to stop, then stop. Don't keep posting about how it didn't happen.

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    4. Don't libel public figures. OGH has had correspondence from Carter Ruck in the past, and he didn't enjoy the experience. If you're putting OGH in danger of getting sued, you will be banned.

    5. Be nice about Radiohead. rcs1000 (me) runs the technical side of the site, and I will ban you if you are caught denying they are the greatest band of the last 30 years. (If you say say that they might be second only to The National, then I might forgive you.)

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    10. Don't dox other posters. Respect the fact that some people like to be pseudonymous.

    I’ve never heard of The National but I quite like Creep by Radiohead.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,389
    Peter Brimelow, a former National Review editor who now runs the racist website VDARE, celebrated the Roe news by posting on the alt social media site Gab: "Next stop Brown vs. Board!



    https://twitter.com/nickmartin/status/1521555176515014656/photo/1
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    RCS, note that RCP average says 30% of GOP vote is for someone who is NOT Vance, Dolan or Mandel. Specficially:
    Mike Gibbons 15%
    Jane Timken 7%
    Other 8%

    Extent that this "none of the above" vote gets squeezed, and which way(s) will likely determine the primary winner.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,236
    rcs1000 said:

    Just for the avoidance of doubt, the new updated 2022 PB rulebook is:

    1. Don't deny the holocaust. And if you do deny the holocaust and are asked politely by the moderators to stop, then stop. Don't keep posting about how it didn't happen.

    2. Don't be rude about OGH. He doesn't like it, and will ban you.

    3. Avoid overtly racist or antisemitic posts.

    4. Don't libel public figures. OGH has had correspondence from Carter Ruck in the past, and he didn't enjoy the experience. If you're putting OGH in danger of getting sued, you will be banned.

    5. Be nice about Radiohead. rcs1000 (me) runs the technical side of the site, and I will ban you if you are caught denying they are the greatest band of the last 30 years. (If you say say that they might be second only to The National, then I might forgive you.)

    6. Don't claim to have tipped certain outcomes when you didn't.

    7. If you enter into a bet with another site member, then - if you lose - you need to pay up or you will be banned.

    8. Don't have multiple different IDs.

    9. Use a genuine email address when registering. If I email you multiple times and you don't respond (@Gary_Burton & aliases), then I reserve the right to... oh yes... wave the ban hammer.

    10. Don't dox other posters. Respect the fact that some people like to be pseudonymous.

    Does the Radiohead denial crime apply only on PB or will you take revenge if you see us making such comments elsewhere in the universe as well? Before you answer, do bear in mind I do have a record of you making derogatory comments about Radiohead in another place not too long ago :)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Taz said:

    I’ve never heard of The National but I quite like Creep by Radiohead.
    The Tory Unionists on PB are always complaining about the National. But, I don't know why, they seem to like the DT. Didn't the DT try to get out of trouble over a story by explaining nobody could be expected to take what they print serious newspaper, it was like a comic or something?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,993
    Taz said:

    I’ve never heard of The National but I quite like Creep by Radiohead.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfySK7CLEEg
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,236
    Carnyx said:

    The Tory Unionists on PB are always complaining about the National. But, I don't know why, they seem to like the DT. Didn't the DT try to get out of trouble over a story by explaining nobody could be expected to take what they print serious newspaper, it was like a comic or something?
    Erm, just in case you were being serious... different National.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,165
    rcs1000 said:

    Adding another one:

    11. If you are working out of a windowless office in St Peterberg, then at least try an be subtle about it.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Petersburg,_Florida ?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,424
    Taz said:

    I’ve never heard of The National but I quite like Creep by Radiohead.
    Weirdo.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Erm, just in case you were being serious... different National.
    Yep, or rather no, yes I was extracting the urine ...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,389
    Jurgen Klopp has now led his team to as many Champions League finals as Alex Ferguson. Not bad.

    https://twitter.com/Tactical_Times/status/1521592029028958212
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,394
    edited May 2022
    Carnyx said:

    The Tory Unionists on PB are always complaining about the National.

    That's The Nat onal
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,236

    Peter Brimelow, a former National Review editor who now runs the racist website VDARE, celebrated the Roe news by posting on the alt social media site Gab: "Next stop Brown vs. Board!



    https://twitter.com/nickmartin/status/1521555176515014656/photo/1

    Jesus. They are genuinely insane.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,109
    Japan is the greatest band of all time but since they disbanded in 1982 the 30 year rule doesn't apply.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,666
    Taz said:

    I’ve never heard of The National but I quite like Creep by Radiohead.
    Who is this Radiohead of whom you speak?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,562
    rcs1000 said:

    Just for the avoidance of doubt, the new updated 2022 PB rulebook is:

    1. Don't deny the holocaust. And if you do deny the holocaust and are asked politely by the moderators to stop, then stop. Don't keep posting about how it didn't happen.

    2. Don't be rude about OGH. He doesn't like it, and will ban you.

    3. Avoid overtly racist or antisemitic posts.

    4. Don't libel public figures. OGH has had correspondence from Carter Ruck in the past, and he didn't enjoy the experience. If you're putting OGH in danger of getting sued, you will be banned.

    5. Be nice about Radiohead. rcs1000 (me) runs the technical side of the site, and I will ban you if you are caught denying they are the greatest band of the last 30 years. (If you say say that they might be second only to The National, then I might forgive you.)

    6. Don't claim to have tipped certain outcomes when you didn't.

    7. If you enter into a bet with another site member, then - if you lose - you need to pay up or you will be banned.

    8. Don't have multiple different IDs.

    9. Use a genuine email address when registering. If I email you multiple times and you don't respond (@Gary_Burton & aliases), then I reserve the right to... oh yes... wave the ban hammer.

    10. Don't dox other posters. Respect the fact that some people like to be pseudonymous.

    No problem with any of that, Robert, but for the avoidance of doubt can you please state once and for all where the Site stands on pineapple toppings on pizza.

    Thanks
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    edited May 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    That's The Nat onal
    That's because they can't read proper, but then they do like to complain about it without having a sub in my recent experience.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,993
    rcs1000 said:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfySK7CLEEg
    As an aside, the song is particularly appropriate given the thread header.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,424

    Jurgen Klopp has now led his team to as many Champions League finals as Alex Ferguson. Not bad.

    https://twitter.com/Tactical_Times/status/1521592029028958212

    I seem to recall some discussion in the early stages of his time at Liverpool that players get tired of his high press style, so he had 2-3 seasons at most.
    Doesn’t look that way!
    As much as I disliked Liverpool in the 80’s and 90’s, I really do like Klopp, so I end up wanting Liverpool to do well. Man City, not so much.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,236
    Taz said:

    I’ve never heard of The National but I quite like Creep by Radiohead.
    At the risk of inciting the ban hammer... I prefer the Post Modern Jukebox cover.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,116

    Weirdo.
    It’s currently 5th on my most played on Spotify.

    Behind Owner of a lonely heart, Layla, run by snow patrol and Groovin with Mr Bloe.

    Ahead, rock factor 9.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,389

    Jesus. They are genuinely insane.
    I was speaking to an American friend/lawyer who pointed out about 20 years ago it used to be a joke that the Originalists would seek to say the Dred Scott decision was right because the constitution valued African Americans as three fifths of a white man.

    Now he can see it happening.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,116
    rcs1000 said:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfySK7CLEEg
    Interesting signing style. Thanks.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    rcs1000 said:

    Adding another one:

    11. If you are working out of a windowless office in St Peterberg, then at least try an be subtle about it.
    Think all these rules are pretty clear and understandable.

    Only one that I have question about is 10th PB Commandment - Thou shalt NOT dox.

    Which is, is is doxing if a PBer notes that other PBer have doxed themselves? Not trying to be a smart-aleck (this time!) but just asking? Assuming that, when in doubt, best not!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,733
    MaxPB said:

    I've been in a lot of miscarriage meetings with other couples who have had failed pregnancies (my wife and I have lost three in total) and each one was absolutely devastating. @kinabalu doesn't speak for me or my wife who have been through the absolute worst of times with miscarriages, each time it felt like a huge and personal loss for both of us and the third almost broke our marriage.

    I simply don't recognise anything that he's saying and all of the couples in those support groups would surely agree.

    I still support the right to choose and in general abortion, yet the characterisation that people who think of an unborn child as a baby as incorrect or outranked by a third rate sixth form debater is laughable. His pompous self importance is part of his character but it's also a bit sad.
    I don't think people who have not struggled with fertility can really appreciate how stressful it is. Foxjr2 was our final roll of the dice with IVF and was frozen for six months. It is a massive emotional rollercoaster and very stressful on a marriage.

    There were a number of other embryos frozen with Fox jr2, and 3 were implanted, of which only he survived to term. Under British fertility law embryos cannot be stored indefinitely, so were allowed to thaw and disintegrate some years ago. After years of stress, that wasn't an entirely comfortable thing to do.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    For light relief - rather taken with this picture of a major naval base, Punic style:

    https://twitter.com/cvdldb/status/1521593872018812933
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,600
    Andy_JS said:

    Japan is the greatest band of all time but since they disbanded in 1982 the 30 year rule doesn't apply.

    I remember when a lad at school suddenly started saying how great Japan were. All became clear when he dropped into the conversation how a certain girl in our year was also a fan...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,516
    MaxPB said:

    I've been in a lot of miscarriage meetings with other couples who have had failed pregnancies (my wife and I have lost three in total) and each one was absolutely devastating. @kinabalu doesn't speak for me or my wife who have been through the absolute worst of times with miscarriages, each time it felt like a huge and personal loss for both of us and the third almost broke our marriage.

    I simply don't recognise anything that he's saying and all of the couples in those support groups would surely agree.

    I still support the right to choose and in general abortion, yet the characterisation that people who think of an unborn child as a baby as incorrect or outranked by a third rate sixth form debater is laughable. His pompous self importance is part of his character but it's also a bit sad.
    Max, you're assigning views to me that I neither hold nor have expressed. You wouldn't like me doing that with you, now, would you? No.

    I have no problem with thinking of an unborn child as a baby. My problem is a ban on abortion. And I don't see that the first leads to the second. Nor, I see, do you.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,116

    At the risk of inciting the ban hammer... I prefer the Post Modern Jukebox cover.

    At the risk of inciting the ban hammer... I prefer the Post Modern Jukebox cover.
    This ? Touch of the bossa nova about it. Of course many covers are better than the originals.

    Always on my mind by the pet shop boys being an obvious one.

    https://youtu.be/m3lF2qEA2cw
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,733

    Who is this Radiohead of whom you speak?
    A modern pop beat combo, your honour.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729
    rcs1000 said:

    Adding another one:

    11. If you are working out of a windowless office in St Peterberg, then at least try an be subtle about it.
    And don't accidentally walk out the window of your windowless offices with your mistress and dog.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    Where as I have loads of friends who vote Tory I could never be friends with a Trump supporter , I simply couldn’t stomach anyone who would enable Trump.

  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Peter Brimelow, a former National Review editor who now runs the racist website VDARE, celebrated the Roe news by posting on the alt social media site Gab: "Next stop Brown vs. Board!



    https://twitter.com/nickmartin/status/1521555176515014656/photo/1

    DNC ought to send this storm-trooper a big thank-you basket!

    Re: National Review, still remember watching Wm F Buckley's tv show "Firing Line" on PBS, as a kid. Thought the young preppies he literally had sitting at his feet looked like total twits.

    And got to see him Richard Crossman, obviously in less than robust health (he died a few years later) debating - and wiping the floor - with WFB.

    Didn't happen all the time - but it did THAT time.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729
    Remember 24 hours ago when we thought the midterms might be about cost of living, woke and Ukraine? Innocent face
  • Remarkable statistic but before tonight's game, Liverpool had only been behind for 69 minutes across all matches in all competitions to date in 2022.

    So despite winning 2-3 tonight, they were behind tonight for almost as long as every other match in 2022 so far across the competitions combined.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    kinabalu said:

    Max, you're assigning views to me that I neither hold nor have expressed. You wouldn't like me doing that with you, now, would you? No.

    I have no problem with thinking of an unborn child as a baby. My problem is a ban on abortion. And I don't see that the first leads to the second. Nor, I see, do you.
    Quoting specifically - "No-one actually treats the early embryo as if it is a baby outside of the abortion debate, because it’s not." - is incorrect. Plenty of couples (including us) lost pregnancies early on and it feels (and still does) as though the baby was snatched away.

    You are simply wrong that people don't see early pregnancies as babies outside of the abortion debate. I dare you to go into one of the miscarriage support meetings and suggest as such, I think you'd walk out after being kicked in the balls a few times by irate women.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Polls close in most of Indiana in under 1 hour (6pm Eastern), and in under 2 in NW & SW sections (6pm Central).

    Polls close in all of Ohio in just under 2 1/2 hours (7.30pm Eastern)
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,817

    Jurgen Klopp has now led his team to as many Champions League finals as Alex Ferguson. Not bad.

    https://twitter.com/Tactical_Times/status/1521592029028958212

    Klopp is the Ronnie O'Sullivan of soccerball.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Foxy said:

    A modern pop beat combo, your honour.
    Some losers who can't even spell Tom.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Can you go back home again? Mixed views re: JD Vance by voters today in Middletown, Ohio
    via NYT live blog:

    In the battered steel city of Middletown, Ohio, where the Trump-endorsed G.O.P. candidate J.D. Vance grew up, some of the voters heading to the polls on Tuesday seemed more concerned with a local fire-station issue on the ballot than with voting for one of their own.

    “I play volleyball at the senior center and not one of them said they were voting for Vance,” said Sheila Belcher, 68, a retired postal worker. Ms. Belcher said the Republican Senate candidate’s best-selling book, “Hillbilly Elegy,” which used Middletown as a backdrop, made her angry. She also cited Mr. Vance’s years-old comments criticizing former President Donald J. Trump, and his full embrace of Mr. Trump later, as a turnoff.

    “He flip-flopped, and that was upsetting,” Ms. Belcher said, adding that the nation’s borders and inflation were her top concerns going into the voting booth. She cast her ballot in the primary for the businessman Mike Gibbons.

    Demarius LeForce, 93, said she was turned off by Mr. Vance’s portrayal of her hometown and that she voted instead for Jane Timken, a former state Republican Party chair.

    “When I read the book, I got mad. I was born on Main Street in Middletown and I didn’t recognize the town he described,” Ms. LeForce said.

    Maureen Hattrup, 39, an instructor at a local community college, said she has her students read “Hillbilly Elegy” and that it always inspires “lively discussion.” She cast her vote in the Democratic primary.

    One voter interviewed in Middletown said he was sticking by his hometown Senate candidate. “He has that private sector knowledge and experience,” said John Langhorne, 70, who voted for Mr. Vance. “He’s not a career politician, and I like that.”
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    The USA is a basket case . We may have political disagreements here but thankfully don’t have the religious nutjobs interfering with politics .
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    Foxy said:

    I don't think people who have not struggled with fertility can really appreciate how stressful it is. Foxjr2 was our final roll of the dice with IVF and was frozen for six months. It is a massive emotional rollercoaster and very stressful on a marriage.

    There were a number of other embryos frozen with Fox jr2, and 3 were implanted, of which only he survived to term. Under British fertility law embryos cannot be stored indefinitely, so were allowed to thaw and disintegrate some years ago. After years of stress, that wasn't an entirely comfortable thing to do.
    Very sorry to hear about your ordeal Foxy, we're finally on the way at the fourth attempt, baby due in just a few weeks now!

    Is there degradation of embryos in cold storage that could cause birth defects? It seems a bit mad to let them just thaw otherwise.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,011

    Can you go back home again? Mixed views re: JD Vance by voters today in Middletown, Ohio
    via NYT live blog:

    In the battered steel city of Middletown, Ohio, where the Trump-endorsed G.O.P. candidate J.D. Vance grew up, some of the voters heading to the polls on Tuesday seemed more concerned with a local fire-station issue on the ballot than with voting for one of their own.

    “I play volleyball at the senior center and not one of them said they were voting for Vance,” said Sheila Belcher, 68, a retired postal worker. Ms. Belcher said the Republican Senate candidate’s best-selling book, “Hillbilly Elegy,” which used Middletown as a backdrop, made her angry. She also cited Mr. Vance’s years-old comments criticizing former President Donald J. Trump, and his full embrace of Mr. Trump later, as a turnoff.

    “He flip-flopped, and that was upsetting,” Ms. Belcher said, adding that the nation’s borders and inflation were her top concerns going into the voting booth. She cast her ballot in the primary for the businessman Mike Gibbons.

    Demarius LeForce, 93, said she was turned off by Mr. Vance’s portrayal of her hometown and that she voted instead for Jane Timken, a former state Republican Party chair.

    “When I read the book, I got mad. I was born on Main Street in Middletown and I didn’t recognize the town he described,” Ms. LeForce said.

    Maureen Hattrup, 39, an instructor at a local community college, said she has her students read “Hillbilly Elegy” and that it always inspires “lively discussion.” She cast her vote in the Democratic primary.

    One voter interviewed in Middletown said he was sticking by his hometown Senate candidate. “He has that private sector knowledge and experience,” said John Langhorne, 70, who voted for Mr. Vance. “He’s not a career politician, and I like that.”

    "“He’s not a career politician"

    He is now.

    If he wins the senate race I expect a tilt at POTUS in a few years.
  • MaxPB said:

    Quoting specifically - "No-one actually treats the early embryo as if it is a baby outside of the abortion debate, because it’s not." - is incorrect. Plenty of couples (including us) lost pregnancies early on and it feels (and still does) as though the baby was snatched away.

    You are simply wrong that people don't see early pregnancies as babies outside of the abortion debate. I dare you to go into one of the miscarriage support meetings and suggest as such, I think you'd walk out after being kicked in the balls a few times by irate women.
    It wasn't Kin who wrote that Max.

    Miscarriages certainly are a tragedy that bring a sense of loss, its even possible to have that sense of loss without a pregnancy or a miscarriage. A friend thought she was pregnant and was happy only to find out at the 12 week scan that it was a false positive, she'd never been pregnant. She mourned the loss, even though philosophically some might say there was 'nothing' to mourn, its not true and was still deeply distressing for her.

    Finding out that you can't have children can also be deeply distressing too.

    Sensitivity is certainly required on this subject, because sometimes you can never know what someone has been through.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    MaxPB said:

    Very sorry to hear about your ordeal Foxy, we're finally on the way at the fourth attempt, baby due in just a few weeks now!

    Is there degradation of embryos in cold storage that could cause birth defects? It seems a bit mad to let them just thaw otherwise.
    Good luck to you and your family . You must be so excited.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,516
    MaxPB said:

    Quoting specifically - "No-one actually treats the early embryo as if it is a baby outside of the abortion debate, because it’s not." - is incorrect. Plenty of couples (including us) lost pregnancies early on and it feels (and still does) as though the baby was snatched away.

    You are simply wrong that people don't see early pregnancies as babies outside of the abortion debate. I dare you to go into one of the miscarriage support meetings and suggest as such, I think you'd walk out after being kicked in the balls a few times by irate women.
    You're quoting a different poster. He made some good points imo but that specific sentiment isn't one I share.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,389
    nico679 said:

    The USA is a basket case . We may have political disagreements here but thankfully don’t have the religious nutjobs interfering with politics .

    But we have unelected clergy in our parliament, our unelected head of state is head of the established church.....
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,410
    On the plus side, Boris is absorbing a lot of that hatred and resentment, and it will pass with him, like a bad bank, or a decommissioned nuclear site, or in a strange way, Jesus.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    nico679 said:

    Good luck to you and your family . You must be so excited.
    Thanks! Extremely nervous is closer to the truth but also excited. We've already got a niece and nephew but everyone says it's always different when it's your own baby and I have no doubt about it.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277

    But we have unelected clergy in our parliament, our unelected head of state is head of the established church.....
    There’s a few there admittedly but any UK politician that tried to interfere with a women’s right to choose would be shown the door.

    Thankfully the UK remains a truly secular society and Amen to that !!!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    But we have unelected clergy in our parliament, our unelected head of state is head of the established church.....
    It was quite striking to see the justification put forward on PB that we needed an Established Church to stop the RC Church becoming dominant in public discourse and influencing HMG. No, I don't understand it either.
  • On the plus side, Boris is absorbing a lot of that hatred and resentment, and it will pass with him, like a bad bank, or a decommissioned nuclear site, or in a strange way, Jesus.
    Boris is like Jesus for taking on our sins is the oddest hot take I've ever seen on this site. 😲

    Politics doesn't just pass like that. If the Tories lose the next election, they'll probably be out of power for at least a decade.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Boris is like Jesus for taking on our sins is the oddest hot take I've ever seen on this site. 😲

    Politics doesn't just pass like that. If the Tories lose the next election, they'll probably be out of power for at least a decade.
    Nuclear waste is perhaps an unintentionally apt comparison.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,516
    Re header, so COME ON DOLAN then! There's much to fret about these days, to put it mildly, but I still find time for this one - the possible return of Donald Trump to the White House. It's right up there.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,948

    DNC ought to send this storm-trooper a big thank-you basket!

    Re: National Review, still remember watching Wm F Buckley's tv show "Firing Line" on PBS, as a kid. Thought the young preppies he literally had sitting at his feet looked like total twits.

    And got to see him Richard Crossman, obviously in less than robust health (he died a few years later) debating - and wiping the floor - with WFB.

    Didn't happen all the time - but it did THAT time.
    Buckley did do that great against the Man from U.N.C.L.E either:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNKkcAOYCVY
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,733
    MaxPB said:

    Very sorry to hear about your ordeal Foxy, we're finally on the way at the fourth attempt, baby due in just a few weeks now!

    Is there degradation of embryos in cold storage that could cause birth defects? It seems a bit mad to let them just thaw otherwise.
    Well, Fox jr2 got good A levels, so seemingly undamaged! I think there were real concerns 21 years ago, but I think those have largely evaporated.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,216
    edited May 2022

    But we have unelected clergy in our parliament, our unelected head of state is head of the established church.....
    image

    Thankfully though those people generally aren't nutjobs at least, and thankfully they don't generally interfere with politics much either. Not that it justifies the situation.

    The Americans don't have either but the nutters still interfere much more.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,410
    edited May 2022

    Boris is like Jesus for taking on our sins is the oddest hot take I've ever seen on this site. 😲

    Politics doesn't just pass like that. If the Tories lose the next election, they'll probably be out of power for at least a decade.
    Thanks! :blush:
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    MaxPB said:

    Thanks! Extremely nervous is closer to the truth but also excited. We've already got a niece and nephew but everyone says it's always different when it's your own baby and I have no doubt about it.
    I can understand the nervousness . Keep us posted and we look forward to you moaning in here about sleepless nights and changing nappies! Lol
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242

    Boris is like Jesus for taking on our sins is the oddest hot take I've ever seen on this site. 😲
    It's a common enough argument from many MPs too scared to act against a leader, or at least so they may leak. The Leader as lightning rod approach, we saw it used under May (admittedly it actually worked on that occasion).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,389
    Carnyx said:

    It was quite striking to see the justification put forward on PB that we needed an Established Church to stop the RC Church becoming dominant in public discourse and influencing HMG. No, I don't understand it either.
    I'd expect to hear that kind of talk from the Orange Order.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,733
    MaxPB said:

    Thanks! Extremely nervous is closer to the truth but also excited. We've already got a niece and nephew but everyone says it's always different when it's your own baby and I have no doubt about it.
    Your own babies are gorgeous, other peoples look like mis-shapen potatoes or Winston Churchill. It is how biology works!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242

    But we have unelected clergy in our parliament, our unelected head of state is head of the established church.....
    I know, it's hilarious.
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