Support for Brexit drops to new low – politicalbetting.com
Support for Brexit drops to new low – politicalbetting.com
That is a little doubt that the flagship policy of the Johnson administration has been the execution of Britain’s exit from the EU – Brexit.
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Oh yes... and first!
Thank goodness for the PM's oven ready deal!
The irony is the more the government talks about fixing the Northern Ireland Protocol it reminds the voters about Brexit and how badly Boris Johnson has handled it.
https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-statements/detail/2022-04-28/hcws796
David Gauke
@DavidGauke
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JRM explaining that implementing a Canada-style FTA will reduce opportunities for British exporters, increase costs for British consumers & be anti-free trade*. I’m sure he used to call that ‘Project Fear propaganda’.
*Those are the implications of everything he’s saying.
https://twitter.com/DavidGauke
IMO, this version of the Tory Party deserves to be utterly routed at the next election and replaced with the sort of Conservatives that used to do competent, fiscal policies. You know..... serious people with some actual ability unlike the suit called Raab and the Hang'em and Flog'em Home Secretary we have.
Yvette Cooper
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Still? After 11 years? Seriously? #EdBallsDay
https://twitter.com/YvetteCooperMP/status/1519702022739701761
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Wakefield awaits...
I do not normally advocate violence but an 18th Century remedy like the Pillory or Stocks would seem appropriate for that antiquated jackass.
Surely an ayahuasca party would be MUCH safer!
And the answer will be very few people. About 10%
Even if we did have another vote, few would like the likely terms on offer (free movement, euro, schengen etc), saying Brexit was a bad decision is not quite the same as support for rejoin.
It has fallen off the agenda.
I think that the EU has gone back to being an obscure issue that no one particularly cares about.
Dear God, let it be so.
But then, Cummings was at Oxford and Burgon at Cambridge.
"I'm a Fugitive From an Alabama Chain Gang: Fear and Loathing on the Natchez Trace"
49 seconds
"Brexit is in peril, and only Boris can save it" was a key part of the pitch in 2019, and I'm pretty sure that it is part of the plan for 2023/4. After all, not much else keeps the tribe together.
Forget whether it's true or not, this is a political slogan, truth isn't that important. But there comes a point where the idea that Brexit was a mistake becomes so widespread that being its father and defender is a vote loser, not a vote winner.
That tipping point isn't 47-39 (55-45 when you exclude DKs)... The question is where is the tipping point and will it be reached?
To be fair to Lord Frost, Boris and his Brexit government of leavers, just arn’t prepared to go the Frost way to true Brexit are they?
Do you know what I mean, it feels not like Brexit but a sort of Brexit limbo? Government who created the current deal want it changed, business who backed Brexit didn’t anticipate such anti foreign worker Brexit, and Brexit Ultras like Lord Frost what quite big change from the current “we have wonderful Brexit” position.
Johnson's dishonesty and the 'Brexit Bus' have segued in a way that most people are noticing and it seems to be accelerating.
Perhaps Starmer will take a chance. With over half the country in favour it'll be quite a USP.
They are allowed to say it was a mistake, to have a contrary opinion.
It is called democracy.
My views on this have never been any secret here on PB
It was also a mistake to leave in this way.
There's a lot of work that can be done to make things significantly better, rebuilding relationships and creating opportunities for business and cultural life in Europe. But not with the Government that took us out, and continues to abuse those relationships.
We might then see a turn for the positive.
That is what most people opposed to Tory Brexit are hoping for. Not the strawman of rejoin/Schengen etc.
"Imran Ahmad Khan has said he has now resigned as Wakefield’s MP and will no longer be a parliamentarian from this Saturday, two and a half weeks after being found guilty of sexually assaulting a 15-year-old boy.
Ahmad Khan told the Guardian he had submitted his resignation on Monday and that it was effective from 30 April. That means he will be paid his salary in full for April.
The Conservative party will then choose a date for a byelection, which will probably take place in late June, after the jubilee bank holidays and local elections."
Of course we still have a trade deal with the EU, a real ultra hard Brexit would have been No Deal
ETA: the comparable number is 57%
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I suppose from your political viewpoint, that makes me a "Lefty"
The mouthbreathers' chorus of "We fucked things up so things gonna stay fucked up, democracy innit" is remarkable, when they could be listing say the 25 greatest benefits of leaving which have emerged in the 6 years since the vote. Truly remarkable.
Even some of us enthusiastic former Remainers had no desire to join the Euro. The loss of freedom of movement on the other hand was personally my biggest loss.
The former Labour MP for Leicester East has not resigned, as she is appealing her conviction.
She has been expelled from the Labour Party, but she is still an MP. And a recall petition cannot start until the appeal has been heard.
Khan is entitled to appeal -- and he could have, if he wished, remained as an MP until the appeal process was completed.
So he seems to have gone reasonably promptly, all things considered.
As I said at the time Brexit is a self inflicted calamity and people who voted “Leave” are morons. Nothing has changed…
Anyone who voted for it is a fool or a knave and probably both. Keep believing that. Keep believing that France will welcome us back with open arms. The referendum result could have been different, but the mindset of some Remainers were and remain their worst enemy.
Liberals however hate this government more than the Coalition, because of Brexit as well as the fact the latter included the LDs unlike this one
Result - they ended up with almost the same experience as us, despite having totally ballsed up the beginning of their vaccination programme.
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I have reached a conclusion.
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Nobody thinks that rejoining is a possibility for at least a (genuine) generation. Straw manning.
Discussed to death I imagine but…. Wow.
Made it!
We are, however, moving into a phase where a lot of Leavers feel that the new boss is same as the old boss, and they were taken for fools by that side too.
Are you familiar with David Boring and Like a Velvet Glove Cast in Iron? Struck me as New Wave cinema scripts as soon as I read them. 🙂
So one of yours. Its excellent because I didn’t think that.
It shows that we are pretty much in the middle of the range of pre-ref polls in 2016, the above being closest I can eyeball. To quote a great Conservative PM, Nothing Has Changed.
https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/
In 1975, Wilson was officially neutral and allowed Labour MPs to campaign on both sides.
The difference was in 2016 the referendum was the outcome of Cameron's post-2015 election "negotiations" for a revised form of membership with the rest of the EU. The club refused to change the rules for one member so we voted to leave (basically).
Cameron couldn't even insist on Cabinet loyalty but he couldn't force any of them to resign so we had the curious position of those taking opposing views on a fundamental political question sitting round the same Cabinet table.
The economic reality is that British companies, particularly SMEs, have seen a dramatic fall in exports. Farming and Fishing have been especially damaged but all have been affected as export markets closed but greater competition developed in the domestic market. This is an extra burden that is shackling British economic performance at a time when there is a growing global economic crisis, so it is not that much of a surprise that Britain has fallen to the bottom of the G7 growth curve. The failure of the Conservative government to develop a coherrent post Brexit economic policy is evident, and essentially this is because David Frost, JRM and others on the Conservative side do not hold their views for coherrent economic reasons.
Unless the Tories can communicate clear economic goals for their hard Brexit policies before the next GE, then they are quite likely to lose. After that, at the very least, Britain will probably U-turn and begin to seek much closer alignment with the EU. Eventually a half-in/half-out alignment might emerge, and although this is much weaker than full membership, the direction of travel will be clear. Maybe then Britain either rejoins, or joins wider arrangements which are the successor to the the current EU in all but name. In any event, it is hard to see how the electorate would forgive a political party identified with a disastrous failure that had cost the country so much, both economically and reputationally.
It really is a perfect storm: dishonesty, sleaze, and the implosion of their flagship policy. What strikes me too, is that it is Conservatives, like Ken Clarke, who are the most contemptuous of the current leadership.
Goering, mind you, had the room in stitches throughout his trial at Nuremberg, and Wilde was pretty good in the witness box, so it is not a prognosticator of the outcome.
The reason the current Conservative administration is "hated" (your word, not mine) by Liberals and liberals is it is far more illiberal than its predecessors as can be seen in the legislation passed which continues to concentrate and centralise power within Whitehall and with Ministers in contrast to the Cameron period where MPs like Nick Hurd strongly supported the de-centralisation of power away from Whitehall and back to accountable local authorities.
Some of those same Socialist voters who voted Labour then and despised Cameron and Osborne and loved Corbyn are indifferent about Starmer and vote Green and many not that bothered about Brexit either.
However some voters who voted for Cameron in 2010 and 2015 are now voting for Starmer Labour or the LDs.