Okay this is me doing my best not to spin it, just play it with two perfectly straight and fair questions any Libdem can ask.
What is our PB take here, Mail’s investigative project has found nothing new, just bigging up old stuff and even making stuff up into a dodgy dossier - in which case the rebuttal and suing them should be fast and effective?
Because if these revelations are true, these revelations going to be hugely damaging to Labour and the Labour leadership isn’t it? Their ratings on honesty and trust will be hollowed out, as they will be seen as just as big a liar and hypocritical as Johnson, only with Tories maybe getting a fresh face for GE with Labour lumbered with Starmer for the GE? 😦
I haven’t been able to read the full article but we’ll know if there’s anything substantial if the BBC and SKY News pick up on it . As the DM has now become just a Bozo fan magazine I’d tend to err on the lots of hysteria and not much substance for the timebeing! If this was an attempt to damage Labour before the council elections it seems a bit strange to do it at this time when most have already returned their postal votes , Parliament is in recess .
👍🏻 . .
Regarding the elections . I don’t think the Tories will do as badly as anticipated , I think the Lib Dems will do very well and Labour okay but not make dramatic gains .
As you’re a Lib Dem I’m happy to say I used to live in Surbiton during the famous Ed Davey win by 52 votes and voted for him . I’m a Labour /Lib Dem mixer and do use my vote tactically if need be . And in Surbition voting Labour is just helping to enable the Tories .
We went to a party in Surbiton 👍🏻
I think your analysis of what to expect is spot on. The nations top pesodolphonists have effectively advised us to expect a “meh” nothing to see here, result.
Was that to celebrate the Davey win ! I bumped into him a few times in the newsagents , really charming and friendly . I’m looking forward to seeing Raab get his P45 at the next GE . The Lib Dems should really take Esher and Walton , please make it happen !
I’m thinking now Raab will chicken run knowing he’s toast in that seat, I base that on fact I think he is very ambitious still. (Unless of course he turns out to be the commons “Dirty Dom” purveyor of porn, in which case his career is toast, he will leave commons to cash in making lots of money while he can on his closeness to government, not based on is inherent unintelligence). So I don’t expect glory moment of ejecting him. But Tory leadership absolutely dragging their feet investigating case of the phantom sleaze merchant on their front bench in fact trying to kick it into long grass, there could still be a sort of dramatic climax to Raabs career.
Okay this is me doing my best not to spin it, just play it with two perfectly straight and fair questions any Libdem can ask.
What is our PB take here, Mail’s investigative project has found nothing new, just bigging up old stuff and even making stuff up into a dodgy dossier - in which case the rebuttal and suing them should be fast and effective?
Because if these revelations are true, these revelations going to be hugely damaging to Labour and the Labour leadership isn’t it? Their ratings on honesty and trust will be hollowed out, as they will be seen as just as big a liar and hypocritical as Johnson, only with Tories maybe getting a fresh face for GE with Labour lumbered with Starmer for the GE? 😦
I haven’t been able to read the full article but we’ll know if there’s anything substantial if the BBC and SKY News pick up on it . As the DM has now become just a Bozo fan magazine I’d tend to err on the lots of hysteria and not much substance for the timebeing! If this was an attempt to damage Labour before the council elections it seems a bit strange to do it at this time when most have already returned their postal votes , Parliament is in recess .
👍🏻 . .
Regarding the elections . I don’t think the Tories will do as badly as anticipated , I think the Lib Dems will do very well and Labour okay but not make dramatic gains .
As you’re a Lib Dem I’m happy to say I used to live in Surbiton during the famous Ed Davey win by 52 votes and voted for him . I’m a Labour /Lib Dem mixer and do use my vote tactically if need be . And in Surbition voting Labour is just helping to enable the Tories .
We went to a party in Surbiton 👍🏻
I think your analysis of what to expect is spot on. The nations top pesodolphonists have effectively advised us to expect a “meh” nothing to see here, result.
Jerry and Margot are both voting LD this year. They sacrificed while Boris partied.
(Tom and Barbara have obviously always voted LD).
Jerry maybe, no way Margo would ever vote anything but Tory
Okay this is me doing my best not to spin it, just play it with two perfectly straight and fair questions any Libdem can ask.
What is our PB take here, Mail’s investigative project has found nothing new, just bigging up old stuff and even making stuff up into a dodgy dossier - in which case the rebuttal and suing them should be fast and effective?
Because if these revelations are true, these revelations going to be hugely damaging to Labour and the Labour leadership isn’t it? Their ratings on honesty and trust will be hollowed out, as they will be seen as just as big a liar and hypocritical as Johnson, only with Tories maybe getting a fresh face for GE with Labour lumbered with Starmer for the GE? 😦
I haven’t been able to read the full article but we’ll know if there’s anything substantial if the BBC and SKY News pick up on it . As the DM has now become just a Bozo fan magazine I’d tend to err on the lots of hysteria and not much substance for the timebeing! If this was an attempt to damage Labour before the council elections it seems a bit strange to do it at this time when most have already returned their postal votes , Parliament is in recess .
👍🏻 . .
Regarding the elections . I don’t think the Tories will do as badly as anticipated , I think the Lib Dems will do very well and Labour okay but not make dramatic gains .
As you’re a Lib Dem I’m happy to say I used to live in Surbiton during the famous Ed Davey win by 52 votes and voted for him . I’m a Labour /Lib Dem mixer and do use my vote tactically if need be . And in Surbition voting Labour is just helping to enable the Tories .
We went to a party in Surbiton 👍🏻
I think your analysis of what to expect is spot on. The nations top pesodolphonists have effectively advised us to expect a “meh” nothing to see here, result.
Jerry and Margot are both voting LD this year. They sacrificed while Boris partied.
(Tom and Barbara have obviously always voted LD).
Jerry maybe, no way Margo would ever vote anything but Tory
Both are well off liberal Remainers who detest what you’ve done to their party.
Okay this is me doing my best not to spin it, just play it with two perfectly straight and fair questions any Libdem can ask.
What is our PB take here, Mail’s investigative project has found nothing new, just bigging up old stuff and even making stuff up into a dodgy dossier - in which case the rebuttal and suing them should be fast and effective?
Because if these revelations are true, these revelations going to be hugely damaging to Labour and the Labour leadership isn’t it? Their ratings on honesty and trust will be hollowed out, as they will be seen as just as big a liar and hypocritical as Johnson, only with Tories maybe getting a fresh face for GE with Labour lumbered with Starmer for the GE? 😦
I haven’t been able to read the full article but we’ll know if there’s anything substantial if the BBC and SKY News pick up on it . As the DM has now become just a Bozo fan magazine I’d tend to err on the lots of hysteria and not much substance for the timebeing! If this was an attempt to damage Labour before the council elections it seems a bit strange to do it at this time when most have already returned their postal votes , Parliament is in recess .
👍🏻 . .
Regarding the elections . I don’t think the Tories will do as badly as anticipated , I think the Lib Dems will do very well and Labour okay but not make dramatic gains .
As you’re a Lib Dem I’m happy to say I used to live in Surbiton during the famous Ed Davey win by 52 votes and voted for him . I’m a Labour /Lib Dem mixer and do use my vote tactically if need be . And in Surbition voting Labour is just helping to enable the Tories .
We went to a party in Surbiton 👍🏻
I think your analysis of what to expect is spot on. The nations top pesodolphonists have effectively advised us to expect a “meh” nothing to see here, result.
Jerry and Margot are both voting LD this year. They sacrificed while Boris partied.
(Tom and Barbara have obviously always voted LD).
Jerry maybe, no way Margo would ever vote anything but Tory
I havn’t a clue what you are talking about now. But never mind.
Okay this is me doing my best not to spin it, just play it with two perfectly straight and fair questions any Libdem can ask.
What is our PB take here, Mail’s investigative project has found nothing new, just bigging up old stuff and even making stuff up into a dodgy dossier - in which case the rebuttal and suing them should be fast and effective?
Because if these revelations are true, these revelations going to be hugely damaging to Labour and the Labour leadership isn’t it? Their ratings on honesty and trust will be hollowed out, as they will be seen as just as big a liar and hypocritical as Johnson, only with Tories maybe getting a fresh face for GE with Labour lumbered with Starmer for the GE? 😦
No need to worry, the BBC will make shore it gets little or no attention, and most of the public will be unaware of it.
But the net will ensure Rayner = Cupid Stunt....
I really don't like Angela Rayner, but I doubt she deserves the misogynistic wrath that you joyously suggest social media will dump on her. I understood the Kenny Everett reference.
Not a pleasant post, if you don't mind me saying so.
Okay this is me doing my best not to spin it, just play it with two perfectly straight and fair questions any Libdem can ask.
What is our PB take here, Mail’s investigative project has found nothing new, just bigging up old stuff and even making stuff up into a dodgy dossier - in which case the rebuttal and suing them should be fast and effective?
Because if these revelations are true, these revelations going to be hugely damaging to Labour and the Labour leadership isn’t it? Their ratings on honesty and trust will be hollowed out, as they will be seen as just as big a liar and hypocritical as Johnson, only with Tories maybe getting a fresh face for GE with Labour lumbered with Starmer for the GE? 😦
I haven’t been able to read the full article but we’ll know if there’s anything substantial if the BBC and SKY News pick up on it . As the DM has now become just a Bozo fan magazine I’d tend to err on the lots of hysteria and not much substance for the timebeing! If this was an attempt to damage Labour before the council elections it seems a bit strange to do it at this time when most have already returned their postal votes , Parliament is in recess .
👍🏻 . .
Regarding the elections . I don’t think the Tories will do as badly as anticipated , I think the Lib Dems will do very well and Labour okay but not make dramatic gains .
As you’re a Lib Dem I’m happy to say I used to live in Surbiton during the famous Ed Davey win by 52 votes and voted for him . I’m a Labour /Lib Dem mixer and do use my vote tactically if need be . And in Surbition voting Labour is just helping to enable the Tories .
We went to a party in Surbiton 👍🏻
I think your analysis of what to expect is spot on. The nations top pesodolphonists have effectively advised us to expect a “meh” nothing to see here, result.
Jerry and Margot are both voting LD this year. They sacrificed while Boris partied.
(Tom and Barbara have obviously always voted LD).
Jerry maybe, no way Margo would ever vote anything but Tory
I havn’t a clue what you are talking about now. But never mind.
Former PBers?
The ooh-aah bird is so named because it lays square eggs.
Okay this is me doing my best not to spin it, just play it with two perfectly straight and fair questions any Libdem can ask.
What is our PB take here, Mail’s investigative project has found nothing new, just bigging up old stuff and even making stuff up into a dodgy dossier - in which case the rebuttal and suing them should be fast and effective?
Because if these revelations are true, these revelations going to be hugely damaging to Labour and the Labour leadership isn’t it? Their ratings on honesty and trust will be hollowed out, as they will be seen as just as big a liar and hypocritical as Johnson, only with Tories maybe getting a fresh face for GE with Labour lumbered with Starmer for the GE? 😦
I haven’t been able to read the full article but we’ll know if there’s anything substantial if the BBC and SKY News pick up on it . As the DM has now become just a Bozo fan magazine I’d tend to err on the lots of hysteria and not much substance for the timebeing! If this was an attempt to damage Labour before the council elections it seems a bit strange to do it at this time when most have already returned their postal votes , Parliament is in recess .
👍🏻 . .
Regarding the elections . I don’t think the Tories will do as badly as anticipated , I think the Lib Dems will do very well and Labour okay but not make dramatic gains .
As you’re a Lib Dem I’m happy to say I used to live in Surbiton during the famous Ed Davey win by 52 votes and voted for him . I’m a Labour /Lib Dem mixer and do use my vote tactically if need be . And in Surbition voting Labour is just helping to enable the Tories .
We went to a party in Surbiton 👍🏻
I think your analysis of what to expect is spot on. The nations top pesodolphonists have effectively advised us to expect a “meh” nothing to see here, result.
Jerry and Margot are both voting LD this year. They sacrificed while Boris partied.
(Tom and Barbara have obviously always voted LD).
Jerry maybe, no way Margo would ever vote anything but Tory
I havn’t a clue what you are talking about now. But never mind.
Okay this is me doing my best not to spin it, just play it with two perfectly straight and fair questions any Libdem can ask.
What is our PB take here, Mail’s investigative project has found nothing new, just bigging up old stuff and even making stuff up into a dodgy dossier - in which case the rebuttal and suing them should be fast and effective?
Because if these revelations are true, these revelations going to be hugely damaging to Labour and the Labour leadership isn’t it? Their ratings on honesty and trust will be hollowed out, as they will be seen as just as big a liar and hypocritical as Johnson, only with Tories maybe getting a fresh face for GE with Labour lumbered with Starmer for the GE? 😦
I haven’t been able to read the full article but we’ll know if there’s anything substantial if the BBC and SKY News pick up on it . As the DM has now become just a Bozo fan magazine I’d tend to err on the lots of hysteria and not much substance for the timebeing! If this was an attempt to damage Labour before the council elections it seems a bit strange to do it at this time when most have already returned their postal votes , Parliament is in recess .
👍🏻 . .
Regarding the elections . I don’t think the Tories will do as badly as anticipated , I think the Lib Dems will do very well and Labour okay but not make dramatic gains .
As you’re a Lib Dem I’m happy to say I used to live in Surbiton during the famous Ed Davey win by 52 votes and voted for him . I’m a Labour /Lib Dem mixer and do use my vote tactically if need be . And in Surbition voting Labour is just helping to enable the Tories .
We went to a party in Surbiton 👍🏻
I think your analysis of what to expect is spot on. The nations top pesodolphonists have effectively advised us to expect a “meh” nothing to see here, result.
Jerry and Margot are both voting LD this year. They sacrificed while Boris partied.
(Tom and Barbara have obviously always voted LD).
Jerry maybe, no way Margo would ever vote anything but Tory
I havn’t a clue what you are talking about now. But never mind.
Former PBers?
The Good Life starring Penelope Keith and Paul Eddington. Do they not screen the repeats wherever you are?
It’s amazing. I think some on here might genuinely believe Brexit is detectably a failure and having an impact on average people living normal lives. It’s not just a line they say. Nonsense of course, but they believe it.
Of course, they probably think I’m mad because in the end, with how it went, I concluded the only answer was a “hard” Brexit and things like the vaccine rubbish and Ukraine have only solidified my view.
That’s why there’s no point arguing on this matter. My lot won, it won’t be reversed any time soon, and all views are now fixed. Everyone just speaks past each other.
As long as the 2016 result is maintained as a frozen conflict, you are right. If we are ever to come to any kind of resolution, we will have to address this stuff. Which is why Brexit isn't done, even if it isn't going to be reversed.
I think it quite possible that Brexit will be reversed, but dont expect it to be in this or the next Parliament.
We see in the header that Brexitism is losing steam, and pro-EU sentiment maintaining its. It needs to brew somewhat longer, but as the flaws and follies of Brexit get larger, the grass will seem ever greener on the other side.
Another aspect of this, which I don’t think Brexiters realise, is that Remainers believe they didn’t just lost the vote, but that they were lied to during the campaign, and repeatedly lied to during the process of Brexit itself.
They also feel they have been continually gaslit and provoked by Brexiters.
Remainers have not forgiven, nor forgotten. And we intend to outlive the Brexiters.
In America.
LOL
I am not sure why my current location should be of particular amusement to you, but they do say that unexplained bouts of laughter is a sure sign of insanity.
Pompous pillock.
Good luck getting Brexit overturned from the US.
I can still enter the UK, of course. Despite your knuckle-dragging, xenophobic best efforts.
I can't imagine why you would ever want to....given you love the place so much.
Okay this is me doing my best not to spin it, just play it with two perfectly straight and fair questions any Libdem can ask.
What is our PB take here, Mail’s investigative project has found nothing new, just bigging up old stuff and even making stuff up into a dodgy dossier - in which case the rebuttal and suing them should be fast and effective?
Because if these revelations are true, these revelations going to be hugely damaging to Labour and the Labour leadership isn’t it? Their ratings on honesty and trust will be hollowed out, as they will be seen as just as big a liar and hypocritical as Johnson, only with Tories maybe getting a fresh face for GE with Labour lumbered with Starmer for the GE? 😦
No need to worry, the BBC will make shore it gets little or no attention, and most of the public will be unaware of it.
But the net will ensure Rayner = Cupid Stunt....
I really don't like Angela Rayner, but I doubt she deserves the misogynistic wrath that you joyously suggest social media will dump on her. I understood the Kenny Everett reference.
Not a pleasant post, if you don't mind me saying so.
"joyously?" Nah. Just pointing out the inevitable.... If it is stood up that she bragged about doing the Sharon Stone ploy on Boris, it is pretty much all she will be remembered for.
It’s amazing. I think some on here might genuinely believe Brexit is detectably a failure and having an impact on average people living normal lives. It’s not just a line they say. Nonsense of course, but they believe it.
Of course, they probably think I’m mad because in the end, with how it went, I concluded the only answer was a “hard” Brexit and things like the vaccine rubbish and Ukraine have only solidified my view.
That’s why there’s no point arguing on this matter. My lot won, it won’t be reversed any time soon, and all views are now fixed. Everyone just speaks past each other.
As long as the 2016 result is maintained as a frozen conflict, you are right. If we are ever to come to any kind of resolution, we will have to address this stuff. Which is why Brexit isn't done, even if it isn't going to be reversed.
I think it quite possible that Brexit will be reversed, but dont expect it to be in this or the next Parliament.
We see in the header that Brexitism is losing steam, and pro-EU sentiment maintaining its. It needs to brew somewhat longer, but as the flaws and follies of Brexit get larger, the grass will seem ever greener on the other side.
Another aspect of this, which I don’t think Brexiters realise, is that Remainers believe they didn’t just lost the vote, but that they were lied to during the campaign, and repeatedly lied to during the process of Brexit itself.
They also feel they have been continually gaslit and provoked by Brexiters.
Remainers have not forgiven, nor forgotten. And we intend to outlive the Brexiters.
In America.
LOL
I am not sure why my current location should be of particular amusement to you, but they do say that unexplained bouts of laughter is a sure sign of insanity.
It does devalue your opinion and commentary. It just does. The same goes for brexiteers in Spain
Their opinions on Brexit (or associated issues) are far from worthless but one seriously discounts them
It’s amazing. I think some on here might genuinely believe Brexit is detectably a failure and having an impact on average people living normal lives. It’s not just a line they say. Nonsense of course, but they believe it.
Of course, they probably think I’m mad because in the end, with how it went, I concluded the only answer was a “hard” Brexit and things like the vaccine rubbish and Ukraine have only solidified my view.
That’s why there’s no point arguing on this matter. My lot won, it won’t be reversed any time soon, and all views are now fixed. Everyone just speaks past each other.
As long as the 2016 result is maintained as a frozen conflict, you are right. If we are ever to come to any kind of resolution, we will have to address this stuff. Which is why Brexit isn't done, even if it isn't going to be reversed.
I think it quite possible that Brexit will be reversed, but dont expect it to be in this or the next Parliament.
We see in the header that Brexitism is losing steam, and pro-EU sentiment maintaining its. It needs to brew somewhat longer, but as the flaws and follies of Brexit get larger, the grass will seem ever greener on the other side.
Another aspect of this, which I don’t think Brexiters realise, is that Remainers believe they didn’t just lost the vote, but that they were lied to during the campaign, and repeatedly lied to during the process of Brexit itself.
They also feel they have been continually gaslit and provoked by Brexiters.
Remainers have not forgiven, nor forgotten. And we intend to outlive the Brexiters.
In America.
LOL
I am not sure why my current location should be of particular amusement to you, but they do say that unexplained bouts of laughter is a sure sign of insanity.
Pompous pillock.
Good luck getting Brexit overturned from the US.
I can still enter the UK, of course. Despite your knuckle-dragging, xenophobic best efforts.
I can't imagine why you would ever want to....given you love the place so much.
The correct response to the urge to have ones children grow up under the welcoming skirts of Mother Europa is to move to Trump’s America for money. Just ask Nick Clegg.
It’s amazing. I think some on here might genuinely believe Brexit is detectably a failure and having an impact on average people living normal lives. It’s not just a line they say. Nonsense of course, but they believe it.
Of course, they probably think I’m mad because in the end, with how it went, I concluded the only answer was a “hard” Brexit and things like the vaccine rubbish and Ukraine have only solidified my view.
That’s why there’s no point arguing on this matter. My lot won, it won’t be reversed any time soon, and all views are now fixed. Everyone just speaks past each other.
As long as the 2016 result is maintained as a frozen conflict, you are right. If we are ever to come to any kind of resolution, we will have to address this stuff. Which is why Brexit isn't done, even if it isn't going to be reversed.
I think it quite possible that Brexit will be reversed, but dont expect it to be in this or the next Parliament.
We see in the header that Brexitism is losing steam, and pro-EU sentiment maintaining its. It needs to brew somewhat longer, but as the flaws and follies of Brexit get larger, the grass will seem ever greener on the other side.
Another aspect of this, which I don’t think Brexiters realise, is that Remainers believe they didn’t just lost the vote, but that they were lied to during the campaign, and repeatedly lied to during the process of Brexit itself.
They also feel they have been continually gaslit and provoked by Brexiters.
Remainers have not forgiven, nor forgotten. And we intend to outlive the Brexiters.
In America.
LOL
I am not sure why my current location should be of particular amusement to you, but they do say that unexplained bouts of laughter is a sure sign of insanity.
Pompous pillock.
Good luck getting Brexit overturned from the US.
I can still enter the UK, of course. Despite your knuckle-dragging, xenophobic best efforts.
eh? I don't think restricting immigration from NZ was ever part of the argument. A not-insignificant part of the alliance for Brexit was for undoing 1974 and re-forging ties with CANZUK.
EDIT - also (to pick up on a point three points up this threadette) feeling lied to is not unique to Remainers. Leavers also felt lied to during the campaign (punishment budget, to give but one example) and felt lied to about Europe for the last 40 years ("It's only a free trade area, they don't really mean ever closer union"; "immigration from accession states will be very modest", etc.)
It’s amazing. I think some on here might genuinely believe Brexit is detectably a failure and having an impact on average people living normal lives. It’s not just a line they say. Nonsense of course, but they believe it.
Of course, they probably think I’m mad because in the end, with how it went, I concluded the only answer was a “hard” Brexit and things like the vaccine rubbish and Ukraine have only solidified my view.
That’s why there’s no point arguing on this matter. My lot won, it won’t be reversed any time soon, and all views are now fixed. Everyone just speaks past each other.
As long as the 2016 result is maintained as a frozen conflict, you are right. If we are ever to come to any kind of resolution, we will have to address this stuff. Which is why Brexit isn't done, even if it isn't going to be reversed.
I think it quite possible that Brexit will be reversed, but dont expect it to be in this or the next Parliament.
We see in the header that Brexitism is losing steam, and pro-EU sentiment maintaining its. It needs to brew somewhat longer, but as the flaws and follies of Brexit get larger, the grass will seem ever greener on the other side.
Another aspect of this, which I don’t think Brexiters realise, is that Remainers believe they didn’t just lost the vote, but that they were lied to during the campaign, and repeatedly lied to during the process of Brexit itself.
They also feel they have been continually gaslit and provoked by Brexiters.
Remainers have not forgiven, nor forgotten. And we intend to outlive the Brexiters.
In America.
LOL
I am not sure why my current location should be of particular amusement to you, but they do say that unexplained bouts of laughter is a sure sign of insanity.
It does devalue your opinion and commentary. It just does. The same goes for brexiteers in Spain
Their opinions on Brexit (or associated issues) are far from worthless but one seriously discounts them
Also you grew up in NZ! So, doubly uninteresting
But Leon; what does he of England know, who only England knows?
Okay this is me doing my best not to spin it, just play it with two perfectly straight and fair questions any Libdem can ask.
What is our PB take here, Mail’s investigative project has found nothing new, just bigging up old stuff and even making stuff up into a dodgy dossier - in which case the rebuttal and suing them should be fast and effective?
Because if these revelations are true, these revelations going to be hugely damaging to Labour and the Labour leadership isn’t it? Their ratings on honesty and trust will be hollowed out, as they will be seen as just as big a liar and hypocritical as Johnson, only with Tories maybe getting a fresh face for GE with Labour lumbered with Starmer for the GE? 😦
No need to worry, the BBC will make shore it gets little or no attention, and most of the public will be unaware of it.
But the net will ensure Rayner = Cupid Stunt....
I really don't like Angela Rayner, but I doubt she deserves the misogynistic wrath that you joyously suggest social media will dump on her. I understood the Kenny Everett reference.
Not a pleasant post, if you don't mind me saying so.
"joyously?" Nah. Just pointing out the inevitable.... If it is stood up that she bragged about doing the Sharon Stone ploy on Boris, it is pretty much all she will be remembered for.
Well you are promoting this narrative on assumed and unlikely to ever be available proof. Hey, if it floats your boat.
Okay this is me doing my best not to spin it, just play it with two perfectly straight and fair questions any Libdem can ask.
What is our PB take here, Mail’s investigative project has found nothing new, just bigging up old stuff and even making stuff up into a dodgy dossier - in which case the rebuttal and suing them should be fast and effective?
Because if these revelations are true, these revelations going to be hugely damaging to Labour and the Labour leadership isn’t it? Their ratings on honesty and trust will be hollowed out, as they will be seen as just as big a liar and hypocritical as Johnson, only with Tories maybe getting a fresh face for GE with Labour lumbered with Starmer for the GE? 😦
No need to worry, the BBC will make shore it gets little or no attention, and most of the public will be unaware of it.
But the net will ensure Rayner = Cupid Stunt....
I really don't like Angela Rayner, but I doubt she deserves the misogynistic wrath that you joyously suggest social media will dump on her. I understood the Kenny Everett reference.
Not a pleasant post, if you don't mind me saying so.
"joyously?" Nah. Just pointing out the inevitable.... If it is stood up that she bragged about doing the Sharon Stone ploy on Boris, it is pretty much all she will be remembered for.
Well you are promoting this narrative on assumed and unlikely to ever be available proof. Hey, if it floats your boat.
I’m edging towards the ideal the Mail had all this in the armoury when they published the original immflamitary article. Is this the sort of thing sneaky newspapers will do? Float it out there flagrantly, wait for the reaction, and then destroy the target with the evidence, perhaps sneakily on tape?
Okay this is me doing my best not to spin it, just play it with two perfectly straight and fair questions any Libdem can ask.
What is our PB take here, Mail’s investigative project has found nothing new, just bigging up old stuff and even making stuff up into a dodgy dossier - in which case the rebuttal and suing them should be fast and effective?
Because if these revelations are true, these revelations going to be hugely damaging to Labour and the Labour leadership isn’t it? Their ratings on honesty and trust will be hollowed out, as they will be seen as just as big a liar and hypocritical as Johnson, only with Tories maybe getting a fresh face for GE with Labour lumbered with Starmer for the GE? 😦
I haven’t been able to read the full article but we’ll know if there’s anything substantial if the BBC and SKY News pick up on it . As the DM has now become just a Bozo fan magazine I’d tend to err on the lots of hysteria and not much substance for the timebeing! If this was an attempt to damage Labour before the council elections it seems a bit strange to do it at this time when most have already returned their postal votes , Parliament is in recess .
👍🏻 . .
Regarding the elections . I don’t think the Tories will do as badly as anticipated , I think the Lib Dems will do very well and Labour okay but not make dramatic gains .
As you’re a Lib Dem I’m happy to say I used to live in Surbiton during the famous Ed Davey win by 52 votes and voted for him . I’m a Labour /Lib Dem mixer and do use my vote tactically if need be . And in Surbition voting Labour is just helping to enable the Tories .
We went to a party in Surbiton 👍🏻
I think your analysis of what to expect is spot on. The nations top pesodolphonists have effectively advised us to expect a “meh” nothing to see here, result.
Jerry and Margot are both voting LD this year. They sacrificed while Boris partied.
(Tom and Barbara have obviously always voted LD).
Jerry maybe, no way Margo would ever vote anything but Tory
I havn’t a clue what you are talking about now. But never mind.
Former PBers?
The Good Life starring Penelope Keith and Paul Eddington. Do they not screen the repeats wherever you are?
Yes. Yes I clicked the link and looked it up now. I thought the link was a vintage sitcom called to the manor born, but it’s a sitcom set in surbiton. Just when I think I can go on Mastermind and impress with my specialist knowledge on the 1970s something like this happens. 😫
“What is the poverty rate in Natchez, Mississippi? The poverty rate in Natchez is 35.9%. One out of every 2.8 residents of Natchez lives in poverty.
“How many people in Natchez, Mississippi live in poverty? 5,339 of 14,855 Natchez residents reported income levels below the poverty line in the last year.
“How does the poverty rate in Natchez compare to the rest of Mississippi? The Poverty Rate across the state of Mississippi is 21.5%, meaning Natchez has a dramatically higher than average percentage of residents below the poverty line when compared to the rest of Mississippi.”
Wonder if poverty is calculated state by state, or nationally.
I’m pretty sure it’s done both ways
America is fascinating for many reasons but one is that you can come here and not see ANY of the social/crime issues if you are carefully steered (which tourism authorities will do. Of course
I spent last night in Jackson, the capital of MS, and we had lovely cocktails in an antebellum house and then dinner in a chic new restaurant and I fell boozily into bed thinking Well this is refreshing, a nice safe southern city, with great bars and eateries
Then this morning I saw this:
“JACKSON, Miss. (WLBT) - People are being killed at a higher rate per capita in the state Capital City than any other major city in the U.S., according to a 3 On Your Side analysis of more than fifty municipalities across the country.
With 153 killings thus far in 2021, the homicide rate for Jackson is 99.5 per 100,000 residents, a rate that blazes past Memphis, St. Louis, and Baltimore.”
That murder rate puts it up there with some Latin American disaster zones
Okay this is me doing my best not to spin it, just play it with two perfectly straight and fair questions any Libdem can ask.
What is our PB take here, Mail’s investigative project has found nothing new, just bigging up old stuff and even making stuff up into a dodgy dossier - in which case the rebuttal and suing them should be fast and effective?
Because if these revelations are true, these revelations going to be hugely damaging to Labour and the Labour leadership isn’t it? Their ratings on honesty and trust will be hollowed out, as they will be seen as just as big a liar and hypocritical as Johnson, only with Tories maybe getting a fresh face for GE with Labour lumbered with Starmer for the GE? 😦
No need to worry, the BBC will make shore it gets little or no attention, and most of the public will be unaware of it.
But the net will ensure Rayner = Cupid Stunt....
I really don't like Angela Rayner, but I doubt she deserves the misogynistic wrath that you joyously suggest social media will dump on her. I understood the Kenny Everett reference.
Not a pleasant post, if you don't mind me saying so.
"joyously?" Nah. Just pointing out the inevitable.... If it is stood up that she bragged about doing the Sharon Stone ploy on Boris, it is pretty much all she will be remembered for.
Well you are promoting this narrative on assumed and unlikely to ever be available proof. Hey, if it floats your boat.
I’m edging towards the ideal the Mail had all this in the armoury when they published the original immflamitary article. Is this the sort of thing sneaky newspapers will do? Float it out there flagrantly, wait for the reaction, and then destroy the target with the evidence, perhaps sneakily on tape?
Perhaps but in this case there were immediate claims, possibly in the original Mail article but I'm too tired to check, that she'd said as much to unnamed Conservatives.
Okay this is me doing my best not to spin it, just play it with two perfectly straight and fair questions any Libdem can ask.
What is our PB take here, Mail’s investigative project has found nothing new, just bigging up old stuff and even making stuff up into a dodgy dossier - in which case the rebuttal and suing them should be fast and effective?
Because if these revelations are true, these revelations going to be hugely damaging to Labour and the Labour leadership isn’t it? Their ratings on honesty and trust will be hollowed out, as they will be seen as just as big a liar and hypocritical as Johnson, only with Tories maybe getting a fresh face for GE with Labour lumbered with Starmer for the GE? 😦
I haven’t been able to read the full article but we’ll know if there’s anything substantial if the BBC and SKY News pick up on it . As the DM has now become just a Bozo fan magazine I’d tend to err on the lots of hysteria and not much substance for the timebeing! If this was an attempt to damage Labour before the council elections it seems a bit strange to do it at this time when most have already returned their postal votes , Parliament is in recess .
👍🏻 . .
Regarding the elections . I don’t think the Tories will do as badly as anticipated , I think the Lib Dems will do very well and Labour okay but not make dramatic gains .
As you’re a Lib Dem I’m happy to say I used to live in Surbiton during the famous Ed Davey win by 52 votes and voted for him . I’m a Labour /Lib Dem mixer and do use my vote tactically if need be . And in Surbition voting Labour is just helping to enable the Tories .
We went to a party in Surbiton 👍🏻
I think your analysis of what to expect is spot on. The nations top pesodolphonists have effectively advised us to expect a “meh” nothing to see here, result.
Jerry and Margot are both voting LD this year. They sacrificed while Boris partied.
(Tom and Barbara have obviously always voted LD).
Jerry maybe, no way Margo would ever vote anything but Tory
I havn’t a clue what you are talking about now. But never mind.
Former PBers?
The Good Life starring Penelope Keith and Paul Eddington. Do they not screen the repeats wherever you are?
Yes. Yes I clicked the link and looked it up now. I thought the link was a vintage sitcom called to the manor born, but it’s a sitcom set in surbiton. Just when I think I can go on Mastermind and impress with my specialist knowledge on the 1970s something like this happens. 😫
I grew up in Surbiton, not very far from The Avenue, where The Good Life was set, in fact. That street was nothing like the one in the sitcom though: apparently the producers visited the area around it and decided to film in Harrow instead. Parts of Berrylands might have fit the bill more.
Okay this is me doing my best not to spin it, just play it with two perfectly straight and fair questions any Libdem can ask.
What is our PB take here, Mail’s investigative project has found nothing new, just bigging up old stuff and even making stuff up into a dodgy dossier - in which case the rebuttal and suing them should be fast and effective?
Because if these revelations are true, these revelations going to be hugely damaging to Labour and the Labour leadership isn’t it? Their ratings on honesty and trust will be hollowed out, as they will be seen as just as big a liar and hypocritical as Johnson, only with Tories maybe getting a fresh face for GE with Labour lumbered with Starmer for the GE? 😦
No need to worry, the BBC will make shore it gets little or no attention, and most of the public will be unaware of it.
But the net will ensure Rayner = Cupid Stunt....
I really don't like Angela Rayner, but I doubt she deserves the misogynistic wrath that you joyously suggest social media will dump on her. I understood the Kenny Everett reference.
Not a pleasant post, if you don't mind me saying so.
"joyously?" Nah. Just pointing out the inevitable.... If it is stood up that she bragged about doing the Sharon Stone ploy on Boris, it is pretty much all she will be remembered for.
Well you are promoting this narrative on assumed and unlikely to ever be available proof. Hey, if it floats your boat.
No, just noting that the Mail (that has already been summoned by the Speaker on this story) has chosen to double down and REALLY go for it. They at least must think they have something to stand this up....
It’s amazing. I think some on here might genuinely believe Brexit is detectably a failure and having an impact on average people living normal lives. It’s not just a line they say. Nonsense of course, but they believe it.
Of course, they probably think I’m mad because in the end, with how it went, I concluded the only answer was a “hard” Brexit and things like the vaccine rubbish and Ukraine have only solidified my view.
That’s why there’s no point arguing on this matter. My lot won, it won’t be reversed any time soon, and all views are now fixed. Everyone just speaks past each other.
As long as the 2016 result is maintained as a frozen conflict, you are right. If we are ever to come to any kind of resolution, we will have to address this stuff. Which is why Brexit isn't done, even if it isn't going to be reversed.
I think it quite possible that Brexit will be reversed, but dont expect it to be in this or the next Parliament.
We see in the header that Brexitism is losing steam, and pro-EU sentiment maintaining its. It needs to brew somewhat longer, but as the flaws and follies of Brexit get larger, the grass will seem ever greener on the other side.
Another aspect of this, which I don’t think Brexiters realise, is that Remainers believe they didn’t just lost the vote, but that they were lied to during the campaign, and repeatedly lied to during the process of Brexit itself.
They also feel they have been continually gaslit and provoked by Brexiters.
Remainers have not forgiven, nor forgotten. And we intend to outlive the Brexiters.
In America.
LOL
I am not sure why my current location should be of particular amusement to you, but they do say that unexplained bouts of laughter is a sure sign of insanity.
It does devalue your opinion and commentary. It just does. The same goes for brexiteers in Spain
Their opinions on Brexit (or associated issues) are far from worthless but one seriously discounts them
Also you grew up in NZ! So, doubly uninteresting
But Leon; what does he of England know, who only England knows?
The pervy porn purveyor of parliament may not be dirty Dom after all. In my minds I can’t recall him checking his phone much if at all. More likely methinks the former chief whip recently moved to leader of the house. Why? Things got a bit, fraught, back in January, he could have gone a bit far brutalising into submission to have made a few enemies too many now thinking “why should I keep quiet and him get away with anything?”
If support for Brexit drops to say 25% by 2024 which seems more likely than not-there has been no Brexit dividend that anyone can see-then the future will be very interesting indeed.
Johnson's dishonesty and the 'Brexit Bus' have segued in a way that most people are noticing and it seems to be accelerating.
Perhaps Starmer will take a chance. With over half the country in favour it'll be quite a USP.
You really think half the country would be in favour of joining the euro and Schengen?
I think most of us who were not of the faith would be contented enough to turn the clock back to early 2016. That is impossible, so we are never going back in my lifetime, so Putin has his way.
Even some of us enthusiastic former Remainers had no desire to join the Euro. The loss of freedom of movement on the other hand was personally my biggest loss.
This isn't going to happen because of the British end but right now if the British PM said "I'd like to rejoin if we can get the same terms as before" and the British voted for it, I think the rest of the EU would agree. I wouldn't have said this 6 months ago, I'd have said the British would have to rejoin on the same terms as every other new member, but right now the main enemy of the whole EU (except Hungary which would want it for a different reason) is Putin, and it would be a clear win against Putin.
The pervy porn purveyor of parliament may not be dirty Dom after all. In my minds I can’t recall him checking his phone much if at all. More likely methinks the former chief whip recently moved to leader of the house. Why? Things got a bit, fraught, back in January, he could have gone a bit far brutalising into submission to have made a few enemies too many now thinking “why should I keep quiet and him get away with anything?”
Mark Spencer is not in the Cabinet so that's no use for betting on the first Cabinet member to leave. Whoever it is, they are clearly both arrogant and stupid, since people either side and behind will be able to see, and that is betting without the television cameras. And what is the point? He can hardly whip out his gentleman's sausage. The whole thing beggars belief.
Okay this is me doing my best not to spin it, just play it with two perfectly straight and fair questions any Libdem can ask.
What is our PB take here, Mail’s investigative project has found nothing new, just bigging up old stuff and even making stuff up into a dodgy dossier - in which case the rebuttal and suing them should be fast and effective?
Because if these revelations are true, these revelations going to be hugely damaging to Labour and the Labour leadership isn’t it? Their ratings on honesty and trust will be hollowed out, as they will be seen as just as big a liar and hypocritical as Johnson, only with Tories maybe getting a fresh face for GE with Labour lumbered with Starmer for the GE? 😦
I haven’t been able to read the full article but we’ll know if there’s anything substantial if the BBC and SKY News pick up on it . As the DM has now become just a Bozo fan magazine I’d tend to err on the lots of hysteria and not much substance for the timebeing! If this was an attempt to damage Labour before the council elections it seems a bit strange to do it at this time when most have already returned their postal votes , Parliament is in recess .
👍🏻 . .
Regarding the elections . I don’t think the Tories will do as badly as anticipated , I think the Lib Dems will do very well and Labour okay but not make dramatic gains .
As you’re a Lib Dem I’m happy to say I used to live in Surbiton during the famous Ed Davey win by 52 votes and voted for him . I’m a Labour /Lib Dem mixer and do use my vote tactically if need be . And in Surbition voting Labour is just helping to enable the Tories .
We went to a party in Surbiton 👍🏻
I think your analysis of what to expect is spot on. The nations top pesodolphonists have effectively advised us to expect a “meh” nothing to see here, result.
Jerry and Margot are both voting LD this year. They sacrificed while Boris partied.
Okay this is me doing my best not to spin it, just play it with two perfectly straight and fair questions any Libdem can ask.
What is our PB take here, Mail’s investigative project has found nothing new, just bigging up old stuff and even making stuff up into a dodgy dossier - in which case the rebuttal and suing them should be fast and effective?
Because if these revelations are true, these revelations going to be hugely damaging to Labour and the Labour leadership isn’t it? Their ratings on honesty and trust will be hollowed out, as they will be seen as just as big a liar and hypocritical as Johnson, only with Tories maybe getting a fresh face for GE with Labour lumbered with Starmer for the GE? 😦
I haven’t been able to read the full article but we’ll know if there’s anything substantial if the BBC and SKY News pick up on it . As the DM has now become just a Bozo fan magazine I’d tend to err on the lots of hysteria and not much substance for the timebeing! If this was an attempt to damage Labour before the council elections it seems a bit strange to do it at this time when most have already returned their postal votes , Parliament is in recess .
👍🏻 . .
Regarding the elections . I don’t think the Tories will do as badly as anticipated , I think the Lib Dems will do very well and Labour okay but not make dramatic gains .
As you’re a Lib Dem I’m happy to say I used to live in Surbiton during the famous Ed Davey win by 52 votes and voted for him . I’m a Labour /Lib Dem mixer and do use my vote tactically if need be . And in Surbition voting Labour is just helping to enable the Tories .
We went to a party in Surbiton 👍🏻
I think your analysis of what to expect is spot on. The nations top pesodolphonists have effectively advised us to expect a “meh” nothing to see here, result.
Jerry and Margot are both voting LD this year. They sacrificed while Boris partied.
It’s amazing. I think some on here might genuinely believe Brexit is detectably a failure and having an impact on average people living normal lives. It’s not just a line they say. Nonsense of course, but they believe it.
Of course, they probably think I’m mad because in the end, with how it went, I concluded the only answer was a “hard” Brexit and things like the vaccine rubbish and Ukraine have only solidified my view.
That’s why there’s no point arguing on this matter. My lot won, it won’t be reversed any time soon, and all views are now fixed. Everyone just speaks past each other.
As long as the 2016 result is maintained as a frozen conflict, you are right. If we are ever to come to any kind of resolution, we will have to address this stuff. Which is why Brexit isn't done, even if it isn't going to be reversed.
I think it quite possible that Brexit will be reversed, but dont expect it to be in this or the next Parliament.
We see in the header that Brexitism is losing steam, and pro-EU sentiment maintaining its. It needs to brew somewhat longer, but as the flaws and follies of Brexit get larger, the grass will seem ever greener on the other side.
Another aspect of this, which I don’t think Brexiters realise, is that Remainers believe they didn’t just lost the vote, but that they were lied to during the campaign, and repeatedly lied to during the process of Brexit itself.
They also feel they have been continually gaslit and provoked by Brexiters.
Remainers have not forgiven, nor forgotten. And we intend to outlive the Brexiters.
Remainers lied for 40 years
“No fundamental transfer of sovereignty”
“We will have a referendum on the Constitution”
And so on. And so forth. Forty years
You sowed a wind of lies, you reaped the whirlwind of Leave
Oh dear... Too much Southern Spirit. I think it's time for bed
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mu6AsNGKNX8
Former PBers?
Not a pleasant post, if you don't mind me saying so.
So you are a Russian bot, after all.
Their opinions on Brexit (or associated issues) are far from worthless but one seriously discounts them
Also you grew up in NZ! So, doubly uninteresting
EDIT - also (to pick up on a point three points up this threadette) feeling lied to is not unique to Remainers. Leavers also felt lied to during the campaign (punishment budget, to give but one example) and felt lied to about Europe for the last 40 years ("It's only a free trade area, they don't really mean ever closer union"; "immigration from accession states will be very modest", etc.)
Kipling is a Remainer.
Fuck, we are edging quite close to all-out war
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18398930/vladimir-putin-generals-ukraine-war-disaster-coup/
The pervy porn purveyor of parliament may not be dirty Dom after all. In my minds I can’t recall him checking his phone much if at all. More likely methinks the former chief whip recently moved to leader of the house. Why? Things got a bit, fraught, back in January, he could have gone a bit far brutalising into submission to have made a few enemies too many now thinking “why should I keep quiet and him get away with anything?”
Marjorie Taylor Greene, the Catholic Church and Milo Yiannopoulos:
https://www.salon.com/2022/04/27/marjorie-taylor-greene-to-right-wing-catholic-site-how-come-god-hasnt-destroyed-america/