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  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,609
    IshmaelZ said:

    There is a city gate which archaeologists arbitrarily called the Scaean gate, after the Trojan one in the Iliad
    You may be correct in your cynicism. Anyway I was pleasantly surprised by the Classical (and earlier) remains. Nice Ottoman castles. Not as many mosques as there should be as the Communists pulled most of them down.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,113
    rcs1000 said:

    If you're arguing that increasing the supply of a commodity causes prices to fall, then we are in total agreement. (See: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899)

    If you wish to argue that governments should force shale gas companies in the UK to sell at below market rates, well... all you'll do is ensure that shale gas is not developed in the UK.
    My original argument was the government drastically needs to expand fracking and shale production here in the UK. As it is showing signs of doing on the former at least.

    That in turn will lead to lower prices
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,420
    HYUFD said:

    Of course I am largely a minority on here because most PBers are secular liberals. Including you. Whereas I am a religious conservative.

    However millions of other religious conservatives exist, even here in the UK, a country far more liberal and secular than the global average
    Aren't all of us minorities of one? Or do you mean "I am in a minority on here"?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,932
    Cookie said:

    Well that sounds amusingly stupid too.

    Remembering further, we had two hymn books, an orange one and a blue one. The orange one had hymns you might recognise, the blue one was probably a bit more right-on - several of the hymns could probably be subtitled 'don't be racist, kids'. The blue one was used increasingly often as I went through the school. We were possibly going down the same route as you.
    I'd question the need to sing (or indeed pray) at all. I recognise the psychological impact of communal singing, and can probably understand the thinking behind it - if indeed there is any - but the psychological impact only works if it's a song that people want to sing. It works in gigs where people ar really, really, esctatically into the music; it works in football crowds where crowds genuinely believe, at least right then and there, that Stockport County, Stockport County FC are by far the greatest team the world has ever seen; it works in churches where people go voluntarily to express their belief. It works with drunks. It does not work with a bunch of slightly embarassed and resentful ten year olds who do not believe the words they are singing and feel ridiculous doing so. You can overcome this a bit, if the song is really, really good - you can emotionally believe in the melody even if you don't rationally believe in the words - but really, really good most primary school hymns are not.
    Again I'll go with the facile, and wonder if anyone else sang "Sing Sultanas" rather than "Sing Hosannas" to the King...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    rcs1000 said:

    Wow: I didn't realise that SEVEN Republicans voted Guilty. That's pretty amazing. I thought it was just a couple.
    A couple of apparent surprises it seems, possibly as at least 2 had already announced they were not seeking re-election.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,163
    edited April 2022

    It's strange. The war seems to be going worse and worse for Russia but I remain very unsettled. They can try a new offensive in the Donbass though if they have any sense (unclear) they'll take their time to regroup. One thing that makes this less likely is Putin's desire for victory by 9 May. Working to a political timetable might be a fatal error. But if it does go badly, what then? What might a truly desperate Putin be prepared to do?

    If defeat is unthinkable then pretty much anything.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    edited April 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    American cheese has improved in just the four (almost) five years I've been here. As has their salami.

    But it's still not as good as the UK.
    Frederick MD, a town of just 70,000 souls, has no less than 2 decent fromageries. And two decent bakeries. 4 excellent chocolate truffle makers/shops. And a nice canal through the old centre which is decorated with miniature ships for most of the winter:


  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834

    I’m pretty sure Cookie is not a leftie! He and I align on the authoritarian-libertarian axis not on the left-right axis…

    Anyway, there’s a brilliant typo in your second para!
    Thanks Anabobz - yes, without wanting to pigeon hole myself, I don't think I could be decribed as a lefty. Kinabalu recently declared he had never detected any left-wing impulse at all from me.
    I do find myself agreeing with you more often than not, however, and on more things which really matter to me. These things are complex...
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,075
    Farooq said:

    I'm not sure where you get the idea I'm expressing a preference or a prediction about the French election.
    All I said above is that people vote on things other than the economy. This, to counteract the idea that people will only switch within a narrow economic range.
    For example, I now I'm not the only who have voted Conservative and Green in my time. Economically they are worlds apart, but that's not always the motivating factor.
    I don’t know why you have the idea that I had that idea when my idea was to build upon the “ I'm not the only who have voted Conservative and Green in my time. Economically they are worlds apart, but that's not always the motivating factor” inherent in your post with “ It’s being taken as fact How you voted before is how you vote this time, not how millions of Macron voters can have changed their minds”.

    We just have to face up to it and admit it Farooq, it looks like we agree with each other’s posts 🙀
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    Cookie said:

    Thanks Anabobz - yes, without wanting to pigeon hole myself, I don't think I could be decribed as a lefty. Kinabalu recently declared he had never detected any left-wing impulse at all from me.
    I do find myself agreeing with you more often than not, however, and on more things which really matter to me. These things are complex...
    I thought PB registration required assignment into Left and Right camps, for tracking purposes.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,420
    kle4 said:

    Depressing, but wouldn't be a surprise.

    Despite Bucha, a return to the norm of European politics gathers pace. The moment of peak allied unity on Ukraine has already passed:

    Austria rejects sanctions against Russian oil, gas

    Vienna is calling on the EU to keep a cool head despite reports of Russian atrocities in Ukraine


    https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1511325719875530754?cxt=HHwWhMC9kYSvp_kpAAAA

    BTW: Macron has put his head somewhat on the block (bloc?), and is now pushing for full resources sanctions.

    So, we have Le Pen wishing to lift sanctions to help French motorists, while Macron is heading in the other direction.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,541
    rcs1000 said:

    So:

    (1) Do you have any evidence that the shales in the UK would cost less to develop than shales in the US?

    (2) In the event that they did, are you planning on mandating that they cannot sell at the world market price (like they would do with oil, or wheat, or nickel, or cars, or phones, or bread), but instead must sell to UK consumers on prices set by... errr... you?

    Now, if I were an energy company, and the choice was Invest in the US or Australia or wherever I will be allowed to earn the world market price or Invest in the UK where I only get a fraction of that, I *think* I know what I'd choose.
    I've been trying to explain this all day.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,779

    My first encounter with Winchester was when I was at school. At the age of about 12 or 13 I was reasonably good at chess, but when I got to public school there was no tradition of playing chess, and few of the boys played much. Then one of the masters decided he'd start a chess club, so a few of us met for a few times and played each other. The standard was not very high!

    Then it was decided we'd form a team and play other schools. As the least bad of the bunch, I was appointed captain. Unfortunately our first match was against Winchester.

    In the event, playing against a group of really smart boys who played regularly and who had quite a culture of chess-playing, it was what I think would technically be known as an absolute rout. I did manage to hold my opponent, the opposing captain, to a draw on one of the games, which saved a bit of face for me at least, but otherwise it was carnage.

    Our team disbanded shortly afterwards and the chess club fell into desuetude...

    So not a rout so much as moving on to phase 2 of your education by focusing energy on other fronts?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,949
    edited April 2022
    Leon said:

    Yes, the internet’s memory is different to mine. If so, my bad

    (The weird thing is I can DISTINCTLY recall SEEING Pamela Stephenson make this joke, in my mind, how odd are the tricks of recall)
    Memory is strange. Hence Mandela Effect. Strangely I had that when FW de Klerk died. Which I hope both would have found bleakly amusing.
    On which. How come I missed Tiger Woods nearly dying in a car crash?
    I have no memory whatsoever of that happening. And I read this board every day.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,779

    Where did Battle of Hastings take place, exactly? Believe it's still an open question!

    "Battle of Hastings took place somewhere near Hastings, Kent. Bunch of obnoxious foreigners invaded, conquered and despoiled Britain. Until Brexit that is."
    But did it take place at Hastings or at Battle?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,859
    This is interesting:

    Ukraine will become a “‘big Israel' with its own face” said Zelenskyy. “Ukraine will definitely not be what we wanted it to be from the beginning. It is impossible. Absolutely liberal, European – it will not be like that. It will definitely come from the strength of every house.”

    https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1511343074307411981
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,372

    I don’t understand Labours bounce in polls, it’s been weeks since political ding dong at the budget, where Labour did respond quite well, and was worse received budget in media for more than a decade. It must be like people say, takes a couple of weeks to properly impact in polls.

    To quote the great Dominic Cummings, most voters interact with politics as if it were on a TV behind the bar in a sports bar whilst Wrestlemania is on. Some stories impact slowly, many don't impact at all.

    The changes in the media landscape haven't helped. The days when newspapers sold 4 or 5 million copies, or when 10 million watched News at Ten, are long gone.

    We're not going back to a world where people could be corralled into watching a reasonably thorough review of the day's news because there were only four channels. Indeed, we don't really want to (do we?) But the change has come at a cost.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    edited April 2022
    Farooq said:

    Excellent post.
    I'm certain that singing in schools spoils singing for many people. It's quite an achievement to turn a natural and pleasurable activity into such a fucking grind but amazingly it happens. And in this case, we can pin the blame squarely on religious types. No 13 year old wants to sing Gloria in Excelsis Deo at 8.30 on a Monday morning. What on earth is wrong with the people that would make them do that?
    Bit in bold happens with quite a few things I imagine. Reading for instance.

    I enjoyed singing at school, but as I've noted before it might be because we sang a mixture of christian songs and beatles songs, I assume because the teacher who could play the guitar demanded the latter.

    We did enjoy Lord of the Dance, that one has a pretty good tune to it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    rcs1000 said:

    BTW: Macron has put his head somewhat on the block (bloc?), and is now pushing for full resources sanctions.

    So, we have Le Pen wishing to lift sanctions to help French motorists, while Macron is heading in the other direction.
    I hope he is not punished for that stance. We moan about Macron, but he really does seem the best option for them and the wider region.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,925
    edited April 2022
    mwadams said:

    Pre-covid, there was a thriving Chess club at my daughter's primary. They're trying to get it going again. The dirty secret is that chess is a really good game, at any level of ability.
    Sorry to jump back, was out for a bit.

    Maybe the change has been to remove the inter-school competitions rather than the in-school games?

    It was the inter-school competitions that must have taken up a lot of teacher time (several hours of an evening, often driving to other school premises, which then had to stay open until mid evening).

    Looking at the national championships on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Schools_Chess_Championship it seems there were over 900 schools entering in the 70s and I believe there were more than 500 when I played. It is now down to barely over 100, and a lot of the names I see are public schools. Maybe that will change if the qualifying moves online? The regional events were over a weekend, too.

    It is the kind of thing that volunteers should be useful for but then again, most of the players I know are odd sorts - even those who were once teachers...
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,075
    HYUFD said:

    Of course I am largely a minority on here because most PBers are secular liberals. Including you. Whereas I am a religious conservative.

    However millions of other religious conservatives exist, even here in the UK, a country far more liberal and secular than the global average
    I’m standing with you in that minority too as I am a CoE religion and Conservative in my politics too HY.

    But I vote Libdem because the Conservative party are right of centre Populists now, like their media support first drifted that way, digging out the roots of a proper Conservative Party.

    Maybe you are in tune with this Populist unConservative nonsense and prefer it, or the penny hadn’t dropped for you yet.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,541
    HYUFD said:

    Of course I am largely a minority on here because most PBers are secular liberals. Including you. Whereas I am a religious conservative.

    However millions of other religious conservatives exist, even here in the UK, a country far more liberal and secular than the global average
    I agree. Being a liberal is usually a minority. But that wasn't the point I was making. You stated 'you and him' when it was in fact 'you and everyone else'. Just correcting the error which you have also confirmed in your post.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,841

    France is still le grand fromage.
    Corsica and Sardinia have the best cheese in the world. Esp Corsica. Tho Sardinia has the maggot cheese

    Corsica is just incredible.You can drive 5km (which takes an hour on their roads) and the next village (which hates the previous village) has an entirely different and vastly superior cheese, and if you demur they all glare at you then turn away like you are a shameful sexual leper

    After that they start being rude

    Honestly tho the cheese is remarkable. And much of it never leaves the island

    However in terms of getting great cheese in your average supermarket I reckon the UK wins, easily. We have all the noble British cheeses plus all the best mainland Europe cheeses, you just don’t get that selection in the EU (they all concentrate on their own cheeses)

    The USA might be slowly catching up because they are now winning cheese awards, the same process as happened with their craft beer


    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2022/mar/04/swiss-gruyere-wins-world-championship-cheese-contest-for-second-time-in-a-row


    However i reckon they are still 20 years behind the curve, so a long way to go, plus they have a culture more resistant to weird foods than better beers
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,779
    ydoethur said:

    Why do you prize Hastings on its own above Brunanburh? Serious question.

    (I know the DfE do but that's because they're ignorant shits.)
    Because (a) they don’t know where it was; and (b) Athelstan’s triumph was only temporary. Ultimately the northmen won
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    rcs1000 said:

    BTW: Macron has put his head somewhat on the block (bloc?), and is now pushing for full resources sanctions.

    So, we have Le Pen wishing to lift sanctions to help French motorists, while Macron is heading in the other direction.
    Bold from Macron if true. Do people not realise how dangerous Putin is? Or do they think he's some kind of nagging toddler who'll be pacified if he gets a slice of Ukraine.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834
    Farooq said:

    Excellent post.
    I'm certain that singing in schools spoils singing for many people. It's quite an achievement to turn a natural and pleasurable activity into such a fucking grind but amazingly it happens. And in this case, we can pin the blame squarely on religious types. No 13 year old wants to sing Gloria in Excelsis Deo at 8.30 on a Monday morning. What on earth is wrong with the people that would make them do that?
    Ha, yes, and well noted that there is a time and a place for these things. Christmas, a decorated Victorian church, darkness outside and light inside, Hark the Herald Angels Sing, with a choir singing the descant - yes, actually quite a pleasurable experience. The music does its magic; you feel a kniship with your fellow humans.
    A dirge on whatever aspect of Christianity is considered wholesome and modern for primary school children at 9 oc'clock on a damp grey morning - the only communal feeling is one of sullen resentment to whoever is making you go through this exercise.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,841
    dixiedean said:

    Memory is strange. Hence Mandela Effect. Strangely I had that when FW de Klerk died. Which I hope both would have found bleakly amusing.
    On which. How come I missed Tiger Woods nearly dying in a car crash?
    I have no memory whatsoever of that happening. And I read this board every day.
    Exactly the same! Car crash?? Nearly fatal? What????

    Was it during Covid? I think we all lost years of memory during Covid. Because we wanted to
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771
    IanB2 said:

    It’s all rubbery; they’re not allowed to make proper cheese.

    When I was in the Finger Lakes, I went to this place offering a cheese tasting - fifteen different cheeses. Almost all of which turned out to be the same rubbery cheese with different things in it - rubbery cheese with garlic, rubbery cheese with chilli, rubbery cheese with sage….
    We once microwaved some rubbery American "good" cheese, and used it to fill an errant drill hole in our rental apartment. It dried hard, we sanded it down and painted over. I expect it is still there today.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    But did it take place at Hastings or at Battle?
    Should it have been the Hastings of Battle?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,609
    Leon said:

    Corsica and Sardinia have the best cheese in the world. Esp Corsica. Tho Sardinia has the maggot cheese

    Corsica is just incredible.You can drive 5km (which takes an hour on their roads) and the next village (which hates the previous village) has an entirely different and vastly superior cheese, and if you demur they all glare at you then turn away like you are a shameful sexual leper

    After that they start being rude

    Honestly tho the cheese is remarkable. And much of it never leaves the island

    However in terms of getting great cheese in your average supermarket I reckon the UK wins, easily. We have all the noble British cheeses plus all the best mainland Europe cheeses, you just don’t get that selection in the EU (they all concentrate on their own cheeses)

    The USA might be slowly catching up because they are now winning cheese awards, the same process as happened with their craft beer


    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2022/mar/04/swiss-gruyere-wins-world-championship-cheese-contest-for-second-time-in-a-row


    However i reckon they are still 20 years behind the curve, so a long way to go, plus they have a culture more resistant to weird foods than better beers
    British cheese is a revelation. When I was a kid you could get several different sorts of Cheddar, plus Stilton at Christmas.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    edited April 2022

    This is interesting:

    Ukraine will become a “‘big Israel' with its own face” said Zelenskyy. “Ukraine will definitely not be what we wanted it to be from the beginning. It is impossible. Absolutely liberal, European – it will not be like that. It will definitely come from the strength of every house.”

    https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1511343074307411981


    I presume he means that, with the Damoclean sword ever present, Ukraine cannot afford to be just any liberal democracy, but has to be an ever-ready, armed-to-the-teeth one. I.e. a society living with an ever present existential threat.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834
    Leon said:

    Exactly the same! Car crash?? Nearly fatal? What????

    Was it during Covid? I think we all lost years of memory during Covid. Because we wanted to
    Yes, I thought that! And this was relatively recent too.
    The memory is a strange thing. I too have memories firmly embedded in my brain that cannot possibly have happened.
    Though I did have the classic 'slide was massive' memory experience, where you return to a slide you remember as huge as a child - in this case in Lyme Park - only to find it strangely normal-sized. And then, five years later, to my utter joy, by chance came across the ACTUAL slide in my memory -at the Heights of Abraham, in Matlock Bath - and it was just as huge as I remembered. I had remembered the slide correctly, just located in wrongly.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think Kelly is as independent as Sisnema or Manchin, but he's more independent minded than most Democratic Senators.

    Personally, I think the Senate could do with more Sisnemas, Manchins, Collins, Murkowskis and Romneys. The more that are not in hock to their parties, the better.
    Agree with both Mr Ed & RCS but only partly.

    Sinema has given Kelly quite a lot of political cover esp. with Democrats in & outside of Arizona. Including differing from President Biden from time to time without incurring their wrath.

    However, do NOT think that Kelly's posture this mid-term year will be anti-Biden, or even dissenting most or even much of the time. Just when he thinks he needs to, from motives of conscience or politics or both.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601

    Bold from Macron if true. Do people not realise how dangerous Putin is? Or do they think he's some kind of nagging toddler who'll be pacified if he gets a slice of Ukraine.
    They think it is unlikely to be a direct problem for them any time soon. That's probably right, but though we do it all the time, I sure do, turning a blind eye comes at a cost.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,531

    British cheese is a revelation. When I was a kid you could get several different sorts of Cheddar, plus Stilton at Christmas.
    Cheddar or Cheshire.

    Stilton was only something seen eaten by posh people on tv.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Politico.com - Jackson confirmation battle rejuvenates Doug Jones
    The former Democratic senator is guiding the first Black woman tapped for the Supreme Court. His one-time colleagues wonder if there's more to come.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/05/doug-jones-ketanji-brown-jackson-scotus-00022891
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Politico.com - Boris Johnson slams FIFA chief Gianni Infantino over stance on Russia
    Letter from the UK prime minister warns against sport being used ‘as a platform to legitimise Russian aggression.’

    https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-fifa-football-gianni-infantino-russia/

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,949
    Leon said:

    Exactly the same! Car crash?? Nearly fatal? What????

    Was it during Covid? I think we all lost years of memory during Covid. Because we wanted to
    Apparently it was 23 Feb 2021. I only know because apparently he is thinking of miraculously playing at the Masters this weekend. I have no memory of this whatsoever. Not an, oh yeah, forgot about that. But none. At all.
    I'm sure I was following the news. Glad it isn't just me.
    What else have we edited out?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    But did it take place at Hastings or at Battle?
    Pretty sure it did NOT take place in Kent. In Kent, Washington that is.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,841

    British cheese is a revelation. When I was a kid you could get several different sorts of Cheddar, plus Stilton at Christmas.

    Confession: after trying all the cheeses of the world, sometimes given to me by the world cheese award winning cheese makers themselves, I have come to the conclusion that Colston Basset Stiltion, as served by my local Whole Foods in Camden, really is the best cheese in the world. The King of Cheeses

    Unctuous, creamy, rich, intense, memorable, full of umami, just amazing

    And i have had Holy Goat served to me by nuns in Victoria, Australia


  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,859
    rcs1000 said:

    BTW: Macron has put his head somewhat on the block (bloc?), and is now pushing for full resources sanctions.

    So, we have Le Pen wishing to lift sanctions to help French motorists, while Macron is heading in the other direction.
    Macron has got upset about the Polish PM Morawiecki criticising him for talking to Putin all the time and his campaign responded by accusing the Polish PM of being an ally of Marine Le Pen. It doesn't seem like a very joined-up strategy to accuse her of being an ally of one of the most firm anti-Putin EU leaders.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,541
    HYUFD said:

    No it wasn't, I said expand energy production including fracking and shale to increase supply thus reducing prices. Then force energy companies to pass those price cuts on.

    That will have to happen not just here but across the world if governments are not to be thrown out of office over sky high energy prices by angry voters
    You are just making stuff up now. You specifically said increasing production in the UK to reduce prices. When it was pointed out that it is a global commodity so you wouldn't get lower prices in the UK you said you would force the UK companies to sell their oil at a lower price than the global price. That can't be done for the reasons already stated.

    True it would work if global production increased but that is not what you said originally. You specifically said to achieve this you just referred to just UK activity and specific UK price fixing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,113
    Farooq said:

    Excellent post.
    I'm certain that singing in schools spoils singing for many people. It's quite an achievement to turn a natural and pleasurable activity into such a fucking grind but amazingly it happens. And in this case, we can pin the blame squarely on religious types. No 13 year old wants to sing Gloria in Excelsis Deo at 8.30 on a Monday morning. What on earth is wrong with the people that would make them do that?
    Some of the greatest music ever written is hymns, what a ridiculous post
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,925
    Cookie said:

    Yes, I thought that! And this was relatively recent too.
    The memory is a strange thing. I too have memories firmly embedded in my brain that cannot possibly have happened.
    Though I did have the classic 'slide was massive' memory experience, where you return to a slide you remember as huge as a child - in this case in Lyme Park - only to find it strangely normal-sized. And then, five years later, to my utter joy, by chance came across the ACTUAL slide in my memory -at the Heights of Abraham, in Matlock Bath - and it was just as huge as I remembered. I had remembered the slide correctly, just located in wrongly.
    The wrong data got relinked after you suffered a bad disk sector.

    If not that, then a bit too much lossy compression.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834
    Leon said:


    Confession: after trying all the cheeses of the world, sometimes given to me by the world cheese award winning cheese makers themselves, I have come to the conclusion that Colston Basset Stiltion, as served by my local Whole Foods in Camden, really is the best cheese in the world. The King of Cheeses

    Unctuous, creamy, rich, intense, memorable, full of umami, just amazing

    And i have had Holy Goat served to me by nuns in Victoria, Australia


    The village of Colston Bassett is also a very lovely slice of England. Worth a trip, if you haven't been. Not necessarily somewhere I'd travel three hours to for its own sake - though I know you have made longer journeys on flimsier pretexts than really good cheese - but for your next trip to the East Midlands one to add to your itinerary.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,113

    I’m standing with you in that minority too as I am a CoE religion and Conservative in my politics too HY.

    But I vote Libdem because the Conservative party are right of centre Populists now, like their media support first drifted that way, digging out the roots of a proper Conservative Party.

    Maybe you are in tune with this Populist unConservative nonsense and prefer it, or the penny hadn’t dropped for you yet.
    On faith schools LDs are at least rather more tolerant of schools for people of faith than the left of Labour certainly
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,761
    mwadams said:

    We once microwaved some rubbery American "good" cheese, and used it to fill an errant drill hole in our rental apartment. It dried hard, we sanded it down and painted over. I expect it is still there today.
    Oil painters have used all kinds of strange food based mixtures over the centuries. You're standing on the shoulders of the greats.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,841
    dixiedean said:

    Apparently it was 23 Feb 2021. I only know because apparently he is thinking of miraculously playing at the Masters this weekend. I have no memory of this whatsoever. Not an, oh yeah, forgot about that. But none. At all.
    I'm sure I was following the news. Glad it isn't just me.
    What else have we edited out?
    We are all experiencing this. The brain is editing out this horrific collective memory, because it is so sad and repellent, but in doing this we are also erasing coincidental events, non-plague-related

    I believe @SeanT once of this parish, anticipated this phenomenon.

    Why we remember wars, but forget plagues

    https://unherd.com/2020/05/why-we-remember-wars-but-forget-plagues/

    A very prescient article, in retrospect, from May 2020. His extraordinary wisdom is much missed, or, indeed, just forgotten. What was his other name?

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,949
    Leon said:


    Confession: after trying all the cheeses of the world, sometimes given to me by the world cheese award winning cheese makers themselves, I have come to the conclusion that Colston Basset Stiltion, as served by my local Whole Foods in Camden, really is the best cheese in the world. The King of Cheeses

    Unctuous, creamy, rich, intense, memorable, full of umami, just amazing

    And i have had Holy Goat served to me by nuns in Victoria, Australia


    I have just done three months without dairy of any kind. One unexpected bonus of the missus kicking me out.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,113
    kjh said:

    You are just making stuff up now. You specifically said increasing production in the UK to reduce prices. When it was pointed out that it is a global commodity so you wouldn't get lower prices in the UK you said you would force the UK companies to sell their oil at a lower price than the global price. That can't be done for the reasons already stated.

    True it would work if global production increased but that is not what you said originally. You specifically said to achieve this you just referred to just UK activity and specific UK price fixing.
    Yes, increasing production here and globally will reduce energy prices. Indeed a government which expands fracking and shale production in the UK would expect energy prices to come down as a result and could tax the profits of the companies which do not pass on lower prices. Starmer has already made clear a Labour government will indeed impose a windfall tax on any excess profits being made by oil and gas companies in the UK when energy prices are rising
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,531
    Farooq said:

    I think this is a mistaken view. Cheese is about the moment, the context. Sometimes you want a vintage gouda, with its salt crystals bursting on your tongue. Other days are right for a ripe camambert bubbling in its wooded case ready for the baguette to be dipped. And still other times you just need a thick smear of Dairylea on some cold white bread toast.

    I believe in being faithful in marriage, but when it comes to cheeses I'm anyone's slut.
    Very true.

    For example IMO goat's cheese is pretty good for a work lunchtime and stilton to nibble on after a heavy meal.

    But not the other way around.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,075

    To quote the great Dominic Cummings, most voters interact with politics as if it were on a TV behind the bar in a sports bar whilst Wrestlemania is on. Some stories impact slowly, many don't impact at all.

    The changes in the media landscape haven't helped. The days when newspapers sold 4 or 5 million copies, or when 10 million watched News at Ten, are long gone.

    We're not going back to a world where people could be corralled into watching a reasonably thorough review of the day's news because there were only four channels. Indeed, we don't really want to (do we?) But the change has come at a cost.
    I agree with you Stu. I posted a defence of my calling it lamestream media the other day. I won’t call it that again because people associate the phrase and it’s user with Trump, not the argument of change you have just made. It’s a change for the worse if people get it from Twitter, not watch News at Ten. Or if they don’t discuss News and issues. I love News at Ten it’s brilliant. You replied to my post, I replied to the same post with something I was given by News at Ten just now.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    TimT said:

    Frederick MD, a town of just 70,000 souls, has no less than 2 decent fromageries. And two decent bakeries. 4 excellent chocolate truffle makers/shops. And a nice canal through the old centre which is decorated with miniature ships for most of the winter:


    For what it's worth, there's an excellent, very old-school (US style) candy maker & store in Grantsville MD on US40.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834

    Cheddar or Cheshire.

    Stilton was only something seen eaten by posh people on tv.
    Bringing together the two threadettes of cheese and communal singing:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmkFHalVchw
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    🧵Pleased to see the truth about the outcome of the WM SNP leadership election in print “..a contest developed between Ian Blackford, Joanna Cherry & Drew Hendry. Blackford eventually defeated Cherry by a single vote of SNP MPs.”

    At the time a man called Nathan Sparling briefed the press that I had come last. As I was bound by confidentiality I could not put this widely reported untruth right. It turned out to be just a foretaste of the misogyny that was to come after the close result


    https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1511460550856871945
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,113
    edited April 2022
    Farooq said:

    I happen to like The Proclaimers, but I wouldn't make you sing it joylessly every morning. Making people sing hymns every day is like FGM for the soul.
    Hence as I said all faith schools should be mainly restricted to those who regularly attend church services or Mosques or Synagogue and actually have an interest in religion.

    Everyone else can attend secular state or private schools without morning worship or hymns.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,336
    Leon said:

    We are all experiencing this. The brain is editing out this horrific collective memory, because it is so sad and repellent, but in doing this we are also erasing coincidental events, non-plague-related

    I believe @SeanT once of this parish, anticipated this phenomenon.

    Why we remember wars, but forget plagues

    https://unherd.com/2020/05/why-we-remember-wars-but-forget-plagues/

    A very prescient article, in retrospect, from May 2020. His extraordinary wisdom is much missed, or, indeed, just forgotten. What was his other name?

    SeanT paid a visit a week or so ago. You must have missed him.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,678

    To quote the great Dominic Cummings, most voters interact with politics as if it were on a TV behind the bar in a sports bar whilst Wrestlemania is on. Some stories impact slowly, many don't impact at all.

    The changes in the media landscape haven't helped. The days when newspapers sold 4 or 5 million copies, or when 10 million watched News at Ten, are long gone.

    We're not going back to a world where people could be corralled into watching a reasonably thorough review of the day's news because there were only four channels. Indeed, we don't really want to (do we?) But the change has come at a cost.
    We were talking about TV viewing yesterday, so I looked the figures up. News at Six still gets 4-5 million a day, only outpaced by the soaps:

    https://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/most-viewed-programmes/?msclkid=a19cc88ab52f11ec826599ab85bc0f83

    But as you'd expect, it's very much an age thing. Oldies watch around 6 hours a day of broadcast TV (though I suspect a lot of that is just having it on the background), whereas the 16-24 group only watch about an hour a day (which is more than people here were saying yesterday). The national average is still 3 hours a day:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/269918/daily-tv-viewing-time-in-the-uk-by-age/?msclkid=00c90e75b53011eca1b9eab3ddd151a3
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,075
    Farooq said:

    I happen to like The Proclaimers, but I wouldn't make you sing it joylessly every morning. Making people sing hymns every day is like FGM for the soul.
    Hymns to make you cry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdP_KK75ThI
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771
    Farooq said:

    No Vikings? Get thee to a nunnery.
    What are these "Celts" of which you speak?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Yes, my dad (who went to Winchester like Sunak) grew up seriously Christian, but said the compulsory school hymns almost put him off. The mandatory exercise seemed to contradict the whole spiritual idea.

    Idle anecdote - later on he joined Moral Re-Armament, a very serious movement (Mary Whitehouse was a member) dedicated to postwar evangelism (and anti-communism). Then he met my mum, who liked dancing and parties. An MRA colleague took her to tea at Lyons' corner House and urged her to give him up, as her frivolous nature would imperil his immortal soul. She laughed and said they'd better ask him. So they said to him that he had to choose - her or MRA. He instantly said that a religious movement that tried to mandate whom he married wasn't for him.

    He stayed a Christian all his life, but rejected any kind of straightjacket. He felt it was, well, un-Christian.
    Most notable American manifestation of latter Moral Re-Armament circa 1968

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skK1CKKlc0M

    Still find myself singing the chorus in the shower.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,841
    Farooq said:

    I think this is a mistaken view. Cheese is about the moment, the context. Sometimes you want a vintage gouda, with its salt crystals bursting on your tongue. Other days are right for a ripe camambert bubbling in its wooded case ready for the baguette to be dipped. And still other times you just need a thick smear of Dairylea on some cold white bread toast.

    I believe in being faithful in marriage, but when it comes to cheeses I'm anyone's slut.
    But of course. My favourite food is probably native British oysters, little sweet Helfords or Lindisfarnes maybe, but I would not want them for brekkie or every day for lunch

    BUT if I was condemned to death, my final meal would start with Helfords and probably end with Colston Bassett Stilton
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    edited April 2022
    Leon said:


    Confession: after trying all the cheeses of the world, sometimes given to me by the world cheese award winning cheese makers themselves, I have come to the conclusion that Colston Basset Stiltion, as served by my local Whole Foods in Camden, really is the best cheese in the world. The King of Cheeses

    Unctuous, creamy, rich, intense, memorable, full of umami, just amazing

    And i have had Holy Goat served to me by nuns in Victoria, Australia


    It’s certainly the best blue cheese in the world.
    Only rivalled by Stichelton (which is perhaps cheating).

    I do find the general Francophobia wearying though. You can go to remote Alpine passes in France and find a cheese shop that serves two dozen or more cheeses.

    Good quality is generally excellent in both France and Japan, even if Paris is not what what it was.

    The same is certainly not true of Britain.
    Although I rate British food much higher than the average world citizen, it’s just very hard to get very good food much outside London without some decent planning, with the possible exception of the West Country.

    The USA is, food speaking, a fucking nuclear wasteland.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834
    Farooq said:

    I wonder if they had other reasons, not cheese related, for doing this?
    Are there, truly, non-cheese-related reasons for doing things?

    Happy memory: on my first venture into pb.com back in May 2005 the board was talking about cheese.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,550
    edited April 2022

    We were talking about TV viewing yesterday, so I looked the figures up. News at Six still gets 4-5 million a day, only outpaced by the soaps:

    https://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/most-viewed-programmes/?msclkid=a19cc88ab52f11ec826599ab85bc0f83

    But as you'd expect, it's very much an age thing. Oldies watch around 6 hours a day of broadcast TV (though I suspect a lot of that is just having it on the background), whereas the 16-24 group only watch about an hour a day (which is more than people here were saying yesterday). The national average is still 3 hours a day:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/269918/daily-tv-viewing-time-in-the-uk-by-age/?msclkid=00c90e75b53011eca1b9eab3ddd151a3
    What is the methodology they use to ascertain these break down for age / watching time figures?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    Personally, I think Comte is the very best hard cheese, but I would point out too that Cheddar is internationally ubiquitous, and the very best Cheddar comes from England, too.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,609

    Cheddar or Cheshire.

    Stilton was only something seen eaten by posh people on tv.
    When I went to Newcastle as a student I found local supermarkets sold Red Leicester and Wensley Dale.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834

    SeanT paid a visit a week or so ago. You must have missed him.
    They never seem to turn up at the same time, do they?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834
    HYUFD said:

    Hence as I said all faith schools should be mainly restricted to those who regularly attend church services or Mosques or Synagogue and actually have an interest in religion.

    Everyone else can attend secular state or private schools without morning worship or hymns.
    Except, I think, nominally secular schools still have a mandated act of worship. At least, my kids' schools do, and they are certainly not CofE schools.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    Nobody has mentioned Film 4 much, yet it seems to underpin the entire British film industry and indeed has an reputation for investing in young talent.

    It would pure vandalism to see it privatised and thereby destroyed. Indeed, it should be further invested in.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,841

    It’s certainly the best blue cheese in the world.
    Only rivalled by Stichelton (which is perhaps cheating).

    I do find the general Francophobia wearying though. You can go to remote Alpine passes in France and find a cheese shop that serves two dozen or more cheeses.

    Good quality is generally excellent in both France and Japan, even if Paris is not what what it was.

    The same is certainly not true of Britain.
    Although I rate British food much higher than the average world citizen, it’s just very hard to get very good food much outside London without some decent planning, with the possible exception of the West Country.

    The USA is, food speaking, a fucking nuclear wasteland.
    When I have expressed Francophobia?

    I have put France in the top 3 food countries in Europe, tho behind Italy and Spain and in a bit of trouble - which seems fair (they admit this themselves)

    I have said my ideal holiday would be a roadtrip around French cave art, meanwhile taking in their superb food and wine

    That’s it

    France is just suffering because of it self perceived - and globally projected - image as the best destination for food wine and much else. That is taking a knock as people discover other places, and their own countries. Is all.

    So calm down

    also “nuclear wasteland” is a bit harsh on American food. Try Izmir Turkey. OMFGGGGGGG

    We have all been spoiled in Western Europe
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,688

    I posted a defence of my calling it lamestream media the other day.

    Is that you, Donald???
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    Leon said:

    When I have expressed Francophobia?

    I have put France in the top 3 food countries in Europe, tho behind Italy and Spain and in a bit of trouble - which seems fair (they admit this themselves)

    I have said my ideal holiday would be a roadtrip around French cave art, meanwhile taking in their superb food and wine

    That’s it

    France is just suffering because of it self perceived - and globally projected - image as the best destination for food wine and much else. That is taking a knock as people discover other places, and their own countries. Is all.

    So calm down

    also “nuclear wasteland” is a bit harsh on American food. Try Izmir Turkey. OMFGGGGGGG

    We have all been spoiled in Western Europe
    My brother, who is a civil servant and not burdened with children, and thereby has the liberty to travel much more than me, warned me off Turkish food ten years ago.

    He knows me well.

    As a result, I have never yet deigned to visit the Sublime Porte.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    It’s certainly the best blue cheese in the world.
    Only rivalled by Stichelton (which is perhaps cheating).

    I do find the general Francophobia wearying though. You can go to remote Alpine passes in France and find a cheese shop that serves two dozen or more cheeses.

    Good quality is generally excellent in both France and Japan, even if Paris is not what what it was.

    The same is certainly not true of Britain.
    Although I rate British food much higher than the average world citizen, it’s just very hard to get very good food much outside London without some decent planning, with the possible exception of the West Country.

    The USA is, food speaking, a fucking nuclear wasteland.
    Have you never visited New Orleans? Start of the morning with cafe au lait & beignets at Cafe du Monde (the one down the street from Lafayette Sq) then graze on from there . . .
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,541
    HYUFD said:

    Yes, increasing production here and globally will reduce energy prices. Indeed a government which expands fracking and shale production in the UK would expect energy prices to come down as a result and could tax the profits of the companies which do not pass on lower prices. Starmer has already made clear a Labour government will indeed impose a windfall tax on any excess profits being made by oil and gas companies in the UK when energy prices are rising
    You still don't get commodity pricing do you:

    a) The oil companies do not set the price, the market does. It is not a case of not passing it on. It sells at the market price, so this nonsense of taxing companies extra who don't pass it on is just that, nonsense as it is not within their control.

    b) Increasing fracking in the UK has practically no impact on global prices so prices won't come down. Of course it will if global production increased BUT you didn't say that. You were specifically talking about the UK only initially. You said 'we', you referred to UK fracking, you referred to UK coal mines, you referred to Starmer. This is all UK.

    c) You then referred to the UK companies having to pass on a price reduction, whatever that means. As pointed out by myself and others that is impossible in a global market place. It is only possible in authoritarian states typically communist where pricing can be state controlled internally ignoring the true market.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    More cheese, and apologies if I have told this story before.

    When I was growing up in NZ in the 80s, cheese came in 1kg blocks.

    The choice was Mild, Medium, or “Tasty” cheddar.

    There was one other cheese available called “Colby”.

    Some years later I was curious about this colby and looked it up on Wikipedia. Lo and behold it’s another form of bloody cheddar.

    Things have moved on a bit to be fair.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,113
    Cookie said:

    Except, I think, nominally secular schools still have a mandated act of worship. At least, my kids' schools do, and they are certainly not CofE schools.
    In nominal terms but parents can withdraw their children from it and OFSTED do not monitor it
  • Leon can't remember when Sean T literally responded to him, so in summary Leon can't remember conversations he had with himself
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203

    Have you never visited New Orleans? Start of the morning with cafe au lait & beignets at Cafe du Monde (the one down the street from Lafayette Sq) then graze on from there . . .
    I’m have, I have.
    New Orleans and Louisiana are exceptional.
    I agree with the general sentiments on this thread.

    I’m talking about the USA en masse.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,550
    edited April 2022

    Nobody has mentioned Film 4 much, yet it seems to underpin the entire British film industry and indeed has an reputation for investing in young talent.

    It would pure vandalism to see it privatised and thereby destroyed. Indeed, it should be further invested in.

    Film4 budget is absolutely tiny, its like £30 million a year. Netflix are spending a £1bn a year in the UK, Sky Studios have invested in a massive production facility at Elstree and are spending £1.5bn over 5 years.

    That isn't to say they don't fund some interesting films, but its just totally dwarfed by what the big boys are now investing in UK tv and film production.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,841

    Personally, I think Comte is the very best hard cheese, but I would point out too that Cheddar is internationally ubiquitous, and the very best Cheddar comes from England, too.

    i agree on the hard cheese of the Alpine foothills. Magical

    Tho for melting purposes, a very extreme Cheddar is heard to beat. Cornish Cove, say
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203

    Film4 budget is absolutely tiny, its like £30 million a year. Netflix are spending a £1bn a year, Sky have invested in a massive production facility at Elstree and are spending £1.5bn over 5 years.
    Yeah, and look at what it achieves nonetheless.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203

    Film4 budget is absolutely tiny, its like £30 million a year. Netflix are spending a £1bn a year in the UK, Sky Studios have invested in a massive production facility at Elstree and are spending £1.5bn over 5 years.

    That isn't to say they don't fund some interesting films, but its just totally dwarfed by what the big boys are now investing in UK tv and film production.
    Netflix and the rest have a smell of never mind the quality, feel the width.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,550
    edited April 2022

    Yeah, and look at what it achieves nonetheless.
    But to say it underpins the entire British film industry is demonstrably untrue. Its funds some interesting niche movies, which is fine. But what is underpinning the UK tv and film industry is the likes of the massive investment by Sky Studios. £30 million quid is the what Netflix spends of a handful episodes of the Crown.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,779
    TimT said:

    These days my culture ceiling runs at about 60-90 minutes, and I was in Ephesus a long while ago. So perhaps not the person to ask.

    I think the Library is the main thing, and the museum and amphitheatre. Then the rest is just wandering around to breath in the scale of things. You will probably have seen way better ruins. But it is nice to sit down with a Turkish tea or coffee and take in the surroundings.
    Temple of Diana?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,678

    What is the methodology they use to ascertain these break down for age / watching time figures?
    It seems to be a mixture of an Ipsos-Mori poll and actual installation of a meter. Participants are not paid but are"thanked" (how British) and get gift vouchers. I wonder if the elaborate process introduces a bias to people who can be bothered with it (but you could say the same about YouGov and other panels and they seem to work).

    https://www.barb.co.uk/the-barb-panel-2/?msclkid=ef572495b53211ec9ce54f29c80f32e2
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,075
    edited April 2022
    HYUFD said:

    On faith schools LDs are at least rather more tolerant of schools for people of faith than the left of Labour certainly
    This Libdem is certainly on message with Libdem policy and HY on Faith schools. Religion plays an important role in socialisation, instilling the difference between right and wrong imo, but so much more, it helps to build aware and resilient people, and through charity work in your teens you can be born into a tribe in a way that is overlooked how important it is to have a social consciousness.

    Having been in this room for about six months now, it strikes my how many posters who I first knew from very anti government posts are actually Conservative voters, even members and canvassers in past, but lapsed (apart from holding their nose to rightly keep Corbyn out). That could so easily have been me.

    I realise now I also stand with them HY. There is a difference between us in your not calling out this government for what it is. Wether you like what it is or not, there should be the acknowledgement it is not conservatism.

    As a proper Conservative I reject all forms of populism. Populism pushes the idea of popular sovereignty above the independence of democratic institutions, and the professionalism of the representatives of those institutions. Where populism doesn’t like government, politics or politicians, as true Conservatives we will oppose that populism. There are always divisions of interest and opinion, but itis duty of all democratic politicians to take account of them. This means there is a legitimacy to all opposition, and your opponents and their opinions, in politics, or in the press, deserve respect. But we have a government and leadership who operate with such disregard for the checks and balances of democratic structure, ignoring or circumventing wherever they can.

    I believe, if Tugendhat or anyone wants to run from the back benches against Boris and his cronies, building their bid on the paragraph I just gave them, Big Dog goes the way of the Dodo.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203

    But to say it underpins the entire British film industry is demonstrably untrue. Its funds some interesting niche movies, which is fine. But what is underpinning the UK tv and film industry is the likes of the massive investment by Sky Studios.
    My understanding, which is based on talking to industry contacts, but may be false, is that Four specifically targets young talent.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,222
    Leon said:

    We are all experiencing this. The brain is editing out this horrific collective memory, because it is so sad and repellent, but in doing this we are also erasing coincidental events, non-plague-related

    I believe @SeanT once of this parish, anticipated this phenomenon.

    Why we remember wars, but forget plagues

    https://unherd.com/2020/05/why-we-remember-wars-but-forget-plagues/

    A very prescient article, in retrospect, from May 2020. His extraordinary wisdom is much missed, or, indeed, just forgotten. What was his other name?

    People who no longer, according to yesterday's thread, watch the news but instead rely on Twitter or other social media, miss stories. Colour me unsurprised.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,550
    edited April 2022

    Netflix and the rest have a smell of never mind the quality, feel the width.
    Yes and no. Yes there has definitely been a rush to create lots of content to paid their catalogue, but the likes of Crown is absolutely they mind the quality. Same with Slow Horses on Apple+, that is after two episodes, is 100% clear they very very picky about the quality, top actors, great script, high production values.

    All these companies need the high quality blue chip stuff to get people to sign-up and continue their subscriptions. Then yes they have some filler to try and make sure people default to using it when they come in the house.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    I’m have, I have.
    New Orleans and Louisiana are exceptional.
    I agree with the general sentiments on this thread.

    I’m talking about the USA en masse.
    You have a point. Though possible to find good eats in every state, esp. IF you're lucky.

    Among strange examples, the best Italian sandwich (hoggie/grinder) I've ever enjoyed, was in a small local chain Italian restaurant in Ironton, Ohio. A place barely noted - and certainly NOT for fine dining!

    Must be some gems tucked away in odd corners of Gotham, certainly to compete with Appalachia?

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,113
    kjh said:

    You still don't get commodity pricing do you:

    a) The oil companies do not set the price, the market does. It is not a case of not passing it on. It sells at the market price, so this nonsense of taxing companies extra who don't pass it on is just that, nonsense as it is not within their control.

    b) Increasing fracking in the UK has practically no impact on global prices so prices won't come down. Of course it will if global production increased BUT you didn't say that. You were specifically talking about the UK only initially. You said 'we', you referred to UK fracking, you referred to UK coal mines, you referred to Starmer. This is all UK.

    c) You then referred to the UK companies having to pass on a price reduction, whatever that means. As pointed out by myself and others that is impossible in a global market place. It is only possible in authoritarian states typically communist where pricing can be state controlled internally ignoring the true market.
    a) Well that is EXACTLY what a Starmer government has said it will do if elected ie impose a windfall tax on the profits of all oil and gas companies in the UK which do not cut energy prices. So tough, if you get a Labour government that is what it will do.

    b) Increased fracking in the UK obviously increases supply in the UK and that will in turn have some impact on cutting prices in the UK. Though yes we need more fracking and shale extraction globally for a major difference.

  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Temple of Diana?
    In Hertfordshire? A ruin already?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    edited April 2022

    You have a point. Though possible to find good eats in every state, esp. IF you're lucky.

    Among strange examples, the best Italian sandwich (hoggie/grinder) I've ever enjoyed, was in a small local chain Italian restaurant in Ironton, Ohio. A place barely noted - and certainly NOT for fine dining!

    Must be some gems tucked away in odd corners of Gotham, certainly to compete with Appalachia?

    If you are in Gotham do drop me a note and we can try to find some!

    I’m a bit peeved because I’m on the UWS and it’s not Midtown or Brooklyn which is where most of the good restaurants are these days.

    (I used to stay Midtown when I came to NY for work).

    Plus I usually have my family with me and the kids wants burger, chicken strips, or something similarly beige.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,846

    Again I'll go with the facile, and wonder if anyone else sang "Sing Sultanas" rather than "Sing Hosannas" to the King...
    We had 'The Earth is yours Oh Lord, you nouri-SHIT with rain' (emphasis ours).
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,761
    Fucking brilliant:

    Partygate: ministers refuse to disclose pictures taken by No 10 photographers

    Cabinet Office won’t confirm or deny existence of taxpayer-funded pictures of illegal gatherings after freedom of information request

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/05/partygate-ministers-refuse-to-disclose-pictures-taken-by-no-10-photographers


  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,846

    Nobody has mentioned Film 4 much, yet it seems to underpin the entire British film industry and indeed has an reputation for investing in young talent.

    It would pure vandalism to see it privatised and thereby destroyed. Indeed, it should be further invested in.

    It is a concern. However, having been exposed to a lot of Film4's back catalogue (because I subscribe to Britbox), there's a lot of dross amongst the winners - some of the older stuff nearly unwatchable.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,075
    edited April 2022

    Is that you, Donald???
    Oh behave! 😝 You just edited out the bit where I posted I won’t call it that again and why.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,550
    edited April 2022

    My understanding, which is based on talking to industry contacts, but may be false, is that Four specifically targets young talent.
    10,000 people are working on Netflix original productions in the UK and they made 60 shows last year. If that isn't developing young talent, I would be shocked.
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