The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business. Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.
Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.
CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝
The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?
Surely it's only against British people being slaves?
Once all peoples are absorbed within the British Imperium then none can be enslaved then. Problem solved.
Shit, I think I just turned into Vladimir Putin. In fairness, the signs were there.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
Awful scanning: "I-I vow... t'thee my cou-untry..."
Should have got W.S.Gilbert to write the lyrics, at least they'd have scanned (and been funnier). (Ok, so he was dead but a dead WSG would have been better than Sir Cecil Spring Pancake Rice.)
Plus, ridiculous sentiments. "...her shining bounds increase, ...and all her paths are peace" Er, how to those two work ? Empire-building by peace offensive?
Apart from that - great choice.
What about the EU?
On which subject, the EU anthem is possibly the best of the lot. Lyrically a little confusing (but that is true of many), but a sentiment I can fully get on board with, and preferable to grinding ones enemies into the dust.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business. Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.
Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.
CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝
Really? Which ones?
@Farooq This absolute looney tune Farooq is really barking. Does the idiot know anything or ever read posts , me like the butcher's apron , more than one screw lose with that halfwit for sure coming out with drivel like that. Seriously strange troll.
Beneath that tough and gruff English-hating exterior is a heart bursting with BRITISH pride, malc.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
It is an uninspiring dirge and needs replacement
Agreed. We should use Jerusalem as I believe we already do in the Commonwealth Games?
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business. Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.
Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.
CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝
The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?
Surely it's only against British people slaves?
We used to have quite a wide definition of who was British.
This might suggest an alternative approach to healing the rift with Europe created by Brexit. We could suggest terms for an Act of Union that would give the Europeans representation in the Commons, and a number of Peers in the Lords, in return for them accepting the primacy of Westminster.
We'd be willing to let them keep their legal system, and sports teams, like the Scots do.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business. Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.
Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.
CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝
The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?
We could really use Superman to come by and destroy all the world's nukes right now.
Superman was an alien. So maybe. Don’t think so though.
The Pentagon UAP whistleblower Lue Elizondo was asked about this last week. He made a good point. The intelligence behind UAP is either benevolent, malevolent or agnostic to our fate.
There’s nothing in the history of the last century that suggests we have benevolent overseers protecting humanity from our worst instincts. No deus ex machina did anything to stop us testing the bomb. Or stop it being used twice in anger. Nothing to stop multiple genocides. Or technology sharing to arrest global warming etc…
As Dr Rubenstein remarked after the Holocaust, “God is dead”.
All of which makes the high preponderance of recorded UAP activity near nuclear sites slightly concerning, given we are left with agnostic and malevolent on the list.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
Awful scanning: "I-I vow... t'thee my cou-untry..."
Should have got W.S.Gilbert to write the lyrics, at least they'd have scanned (and been funnier). (Ok, so he was dead but a dead WSG would have been better than Sir Cecil Spring Pancake Rice.)
Plus, ridiculous sentiments. "...her shining bounds increase, ...and all her paths are peace" Er, how to those two work ? Empire-building by peace offensive?
Apart from that - great choice.
We should confuse the hell out of everybody and choose Jerusalem the Golden, in its full version (which so clearly confuses England and Heaven in Neale's translation that the first half is almost never sung now).
that aside, it is a grand tune. Far better than Jerusalem which is one of Parry's weaker and less interesting efforts.
If we have to go with Parry at least have something rousing like I Was Glad.
Trying to get your average international crowd to divide themselves into the required two choirs would be a bit of a challenge for those of us not of Welsh blood.
That wouldn't be a problem. After all, it is builded as a city that is at unity in itself.
Eight part harmony (at least: I can't remember if any of the parts in the two choirs divide) is not my idea of unity.
I was quoting the words where it divides...
Given that the city is Jerusalem, that always struck me as overly optimistic.
Not nearly as bad as at the end where it says 'peace be within thy walls!'
We could really use Superman to come by and destroy all the world's nukes right now.
Superman was an alien. So maybe. Don’t think so though.
The Pentagon UAP whistleblower Lue Elizondo was asked about this last week. He made a good point. The intelligence behind UAP is either benevolent, malevolent or agnostic to our fate.
There’s nothing in the history of the last century that suggests we have benevolent overseers protecting humanity from our worst instincts. No deus ex machina did anything to stop us testing the bomb. Or stop it being used twice in anger. Nothing to stop multiple genocides. Or technology sharing to arrest global warming etc…
As Dr Rubenstein remarked after the Holocaust, “God is dead”.
All of which makes the high preponderance of recorded UAP activity near nuclear sites slightly concerning, given we are left with agnostic and malevolent on the list.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
It is an uninspiring dirge and needs replacement
Agreed. We should use Jerusalem as I believe we already do in the Commonwealth Games?
Oh great. One uninspiring dirge replaced with another.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
Awful scanning: "I-I vow... t'thee my cou-untry..."
Should have got W.S.Gilbert to write the lyrics, at least they'd have scanned (and been funnier). (Ok, so he was dead but a dead WSG would have been better than Sir Cecil Spring Pancake Rice.)
Plus, ridiculous sentiments. "...her shining bounds increase, ...and all her paths are peace" Er, how to those two work ? Empire-building by peace offensive?
Apart from that - great choice.
We should confuse the hell out of everybody and choose Jerusalem the Golden, in its full version (which so clearly confuses England and Heaven in Neale's translation that the first half is almost never sung now).
that aside, it is a grand tune. Far better than Jerusalem which is one of Parry's weaker and less interesting efforts.
If we have to go with Parry at least have something rousing like I Was Glad.
Jerusalem the golden, With milk and honey blest, Beneath thy contemplation Sink heart and voice oppressed.
And so on for about 20 verses of the sort of paranoid euphoria I associate with class A psychedelics. Strange poem.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business. Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.
Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.
CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝
The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?
We could really use Superman to come by and destroy all the world's nukes right now.
Superman was an alien. So maybe. Don’t think so though.
The Pentagon UAP whistleblower Lue Elizondo was asked about this last week. He made a good point. The intelligence behind UAP is either benevolent, malevolent or agnostic to our fate.
There’s nothing in the history of the last century that suggests we have benevolent overseers protecting humanity from our worst instincts. No deus ex machina did anything to stop us testing the bomb. Or stop it being used twice in anger. Nothing to stop multiple genocides. Or technology sharing to arrest global warming etc…
As Dr Rubenstein remarked after the Holocaust, “God is dead”.
All of which makes the high preponderance of recorded UAP activity near nuclear sites slightly concerning, given we are left with agnostic and malevolent on the list.
I think agnostic is the most likely.
Indeed. I was agnostic to the fate of the wasp on my bedroom window until just now, when I decided it was too much faff to open the window and squashed it instead.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
It is an uninspiring dirge and needs replacement
Agreed. We should use Jerusalem as I believe we already do in the Commonwealth Games?
I've never checked the national anthem of Tuvalu, but would love to think it was just chanting the name of the country to the tune of Vindaloo.....
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business. Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.
Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.
CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝
The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?
They certainly need to change the current anthem . Can’t we have a totally new one. Something uplifting.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business. Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.
Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.
CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝
The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?
Which bit is anti-French?
The pro-navy and anti-slavery bits obviously...
Not so much anti-slavery as anti-Britons as slaves. Africans as slaves not mentioned.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business. Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.
Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.
CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝
The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?
Which bit is anti-French?
The pro-navy and anti-slavery bits obviously...
Not to mention the bit about being the envy of them all.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
Awful scanning: "I-I vow... t'thee my cou-untry..."
Should have got W.S.Gilbert to write the lyrics, at least they'd have scanned (and been funnier). (Ok, so he was dead but a dead WSG would have been better than Sir Cecil Spring Pancake Rice.)
Plus, ridiculous sentiments. "...her shining bounds increase, ...and all her paths are peace" Er, how to those two work ? Empire-building by peace offensive?
Apart from that - great choice.
We should confuse the hell out of everybody and choose Jerusalem the Golden, in its full version (which so clearly confuses England and Heaven in Neale's translation that the first half is almost never sung now).
that aside, it is a grand tune. Far better than Jerusalem which is one of Parry's weaker and less interesting efforts.
If we have to go with Parry at least have something rousing like I Was Glad.
Jerusalem the golden, With milk and honey blest, Beneath thy contemplation Sink heart and voice oppressed.
And so on for about 20 verses of the sort of paranoid euphoria I associate with class A psychedelics. Strange poem.
This is the original opening:
For thee, O dear, dear country, Mine eyes their vigils keep; For very love, beholding Thy happy name, they weep; The mention of thy glory Is unction to the breast, And medicine in sickness, And love, and life, and rest.
O one, O only mansion, O Paradise of joy! Where tears are ever banished, And smiles have no alloy; The Cross is all thy splendor, The Crucified thy praise; His laud and benediction Thy ransomed people raise.
Thou hast no shore, fair ocean; Thou hast no time, bright day; Dear fountain of refreshment To pilgrims far away! Upon the Rock of Ages They raise thy holy tower; Thine is the victor's laurel, And thine the golden dower.
O sweet and blessèd country, The home of God's elect; O sweet and blessèd country, That eager hearts expect! Jesus, in mercy bring us, To that dear land of rest, Who art, with God the Father And Spirit, ever blest.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business. Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.
Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.
CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝
The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?
They certainly need to change the current anthem . Can’t we have a totally new one. Something uplifting.
I hope Simon Cowell isn’t reading this and getting any ideas
“Democrats working to save their slim majority in the House in November’s elections have been sounding alarm bells lately over research showing that Republican attacks on culture-war issues are working, particularly with center-left, Hispanic and independent voters.”
NYT ($$)
How about concentrating on the real issues, rather than a phony war.
Inflation, cost of living crisis, energy security, levelling up, growing the economy and not weaponising division ?
Most of those are either caused by government actions or, at best, are global tides that Johnson can do no more about than Canute did.
They bang on about Culture Wars because that's pretty much all they've got.
Let's be honest the identitarian left and right both love nothing more than a bit of culture war. It's a nice playground game that helps them to get outraged under controlled conditions, is distracting from real tricky political issues and leaves them with a feeling of virtue. It's the wars of religion de nos jours.
I would hazard a guess based on social media that perhaps 15-20% of the population really indulge in culture warring, with roughly a 50:50 split between those outraged by "far right bigotry" and those equally offended by "left wing woke nonsense". Perhaps another 40-50% of the population have a mild leaning towards one side or the other, the Anglican church of these particular wars of religion (I'd put myself in that camp), and the rest don't even know it's happening.
Much as there is supposedly a 'culture war', the 'right' aren't really in it at the moment, beyond huffing about the ridiculousness of it all and then rolling over. If you want to win something, you articulate an alternative vision
"Renault's board has decided to keep its presence intact in Russia for the time being, while complying with international sanctions and with the backing of its main shareholder, the French state, two sources close to the matter told Reuters."
I don't think this is entirely fair. What Renault are doing may or may not be wrong, but Turkey and its companies, India and its companies, China and its companies, are doing nothing at all (except taking advantage of the juicy discounts). Why do they get away with it with no wrath at all, where Renault by virtue of being 'Western' deserve to go bankrupt for this business decision? Why are Western companies expected to compete on such a pitched playing field. It can only result in more business and capital flowing East.
Because Macron would have us believe that his lengthy phone calls with Putin were about putting pressure on Russia not to invade/to cease hostilities.
When what he was actually doing was extolling the virtues of the legroom in the Renault Mégane
But nobody here is going on about 'Chinese scum'. They get a totally free pass for some reason.
It's a fair point: the reality is that the Chinese in particular have rubbed their hands in glee and continued trading with Russia. With the French, there's been a (immoral) attempt to maintain investments, but as far as I'm aware they are abiding by the sanctions.
Its almost like an expectations management thing. Countries that have made it clear they don't give a fuck are just left alone; everyone else is expected to self harm with wild abandon to hurt the Russians. If there was a mildly condemnatory speech about the war from Xi tomorrow, he would be the toast of PB, with no actual activity from China at all.
French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business. Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.
Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.
CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝
The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?
Which bit is anti-French?
The pro-navy and anti-slavery bits obviously...
What? the French were fucking amateurs when it came to slavery, though I suppose they can claim some sort of share in Leopold of Belgium, who spoke the language. It was always Portugal first, britain second and the rest also ran.
French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business. Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.
Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.
CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝
The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?
Which bit is anti-French?
The pro-navy and anti-slavery bits obviously...
Not so much anti-slavery as anti-Britons as slaves. Africans as slaves not mentioned.
A bit of creative re-interpretation could see us presume it means all should be treated as honorary Britons for this purpose. People mostly decided slavery and christianity was totally compatible for a very long time, then reinterpreted the same texts to a better end, and US Supreme Court justices are adept at inventing new ideas on what some 18th century men thought about things to suit their current politics, so Im sure we could manage that.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
It is an uninspiring dirge and needs replacement
Agreed. We should use Jerusalem as I believe we already do in the Commonwealth Games?
Oh great. One uninspiring dirge replaced with another.
Jerusalem is a wonderful song, but it is a solely English anthem.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
Has @Scott_xP made any comment as I assume he will be embarrassed by this behaviour and call it out
The PB Remoaners are staying quiet. The only voices responding are those condemning this despicable act and the outright Putin apologists engaging in whataboutism.
I’m a Libdem and speaking up. The only way to steer something like this is to reform yourself and lead by example. How squeaking clean and brilliant are we before shouting about everyone else (I agree the French undercutting sanctions and pressure on Putin is disgusting)
The night of the invasion of Ukraine Britains Tory Prime Minister was at a fund raising do shamelessly courting yet more dirty money, the Murdoch press claim.
Maybe the PM can actually make it to PMQs this week and answer these questions for himself rather than hiding from awkward questions? Maybe then we will have a clearer picture how squeaky clean and brilliant our own government is?
Much as I can't stand the Government, that's whataboutery, not speaking up, I'm afraid.
Indeed. We do need to be cleaner, in a lot of ways, but that doesn't prevent commentary on others. Sometimes stones need to be cast before waiting for someone sin free to do it.
But the anti-French stuff has been a bit overblown.
“Sometimes stones need to be cast before waiting for someone sin free to do it“
Are you sure?
Yes, I am sure. Sin free people (and nations) do not exist in the real world. And waiting for a perfect world before addressing a problem would be a greater sin than acting despite having some sin.
Scaled down, that means that you can still criticise others without being perfect yourself, so long as you are aware of your own failings.
What sort of world is that?
The one we live in.
No one is saying we cannot aspire to do better and behave better, but there's a reason 'Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good' is a saying.
In our family, the saying is "don't let average be the enemy of barely acceptable."
Putin's played a blinder today. He's managed to get almost all the PB cognoscenti to transfer their wrath and fury from him and his army to Macron and the French. Clever.
In the immortal words of Kenny Everett, "let's bomb Paris!". Or something like that.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
It is an uninspiring dirge and needs replacement
Agreed. We should use Jerusalem as I believe we already do in the Commonwealth Games?
Oh great. One uninspiring dirge replaced with another.
Jerusalem is a wonderful song, but it is a solely English anthem.
It really isn't. Terrible piece of music.
Of all the Parry I know - and I know an awful lot of his work one way and another - I'd say it's the one I like least.
Putin's played a blinder today. He's managed to get almost all the PB cognoscenti to transfer their wrath and fury from him and his army to Macron and the French. Clever.
In the immortal words of Kenny Everett, "let's bomb Paris". Or something like that.
Are you suggesting Macron is in cahoots with Putin?
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business. Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.
Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.
CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝
The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?
Which bit is anti-French?
The pro-navy and anti-slavery bits obviously...
Not so much anti-slavery as anti-Britons as slaves. Africans as slaves not mentioned.
A bit of creative re-interpretation could see us presume it means all should be treated as honorary Britons for this purpose. People mostly decided slavery and christianity was totally compatible for a very long time, then reinterpreted the same texts to a better end, and US Supreme Court justices are adept at inventing new ideas on what some 18th century men thought about things to suit their current politics, so Im sure we could manage that.
Rule Brytania was written in the first half of the 18th Century, so we'll before the abolitionist movement really got going, or indeed the peak of the British slave trade.
It presumably refers to the taking of British and Irish slaves by the Barbary corsairs, which was quite a thing in the 18th century.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
Has @Scott_xP made any comment as I assume he will be embarrassed by this behaviour and call it out
The PB Remoaners are staying quiet. The only voices responding are those condemning this despicable act and the outright Putin apologists engaging in whataboutism.
I’m a Libdem and speaking up. The only way to steer something like this is to reform yourself and lead by example. How squeaking clean and brilliant are we before shouting about everyone else (I agree the French undercutting sanctions and pressure on Putin is disgusting)
The night of the invasion of Ukraine Britains Tory Prime Minister was at a fund raising do shamelessly courting yet more dirty money, the Murdoch press claim.
Maybe the PM can actually make it to PMQs this week and answer these questions for himself rather than hiding from awkward questions? Maybe then we will have a clearer picture how squeaky clean and brilliant our own government is?
Much as I can't stand the Government, that's whataboutery, not speaking up, I'm afraid.
Indeed. We do need to be cleaner, in a lot of ways, but that doesn't prevent commentary on others. Sometimes stones need to be cast before waiting for someone sin free to do it.
But the anti-French stuff has been a bit overblown.
“Sometimes stones need to be cast before waiting for someone sin free to do it“
Are you sure?
Yes, I am sure. Sin free people (and nations) do not exist in the real world. And waiting for a perfect world before addressing a problem would be a greater sin than acting despite having some sin.
Scaled down, that means that you can still criticise others without being perfect yourself, so long as you are aware of your own failings.
What sort of world is that?
The one we live in.
No one is saying we cannot aspire to do better and behave better, but there's a reason 'Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good' is a saying.
In our family, the saying is "don't let average be the enemy of barely acceptable."
Good move. Makes it easier for you to say how proud you are for exceeding all expectations.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business. Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.
Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.
CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝
The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?
Which bit is anti-French?
The pro-navy and anti-slavery bits obviously...
What? the French were fucking amateurs when it came to slavery, though I suppose they can claim some sort of share in Leopold of Belgium, who spoke the language. It was always Portugal first, britain second and the rest also ran.
America deserves an honorable mention. Apparently when Britain ended the slave trade, they turned to slave-breeding camps.
Putin's played a blinder today. He's managed to get almost all the PB cognoscenti to transfer their wrath and fury from him and his army to Macron and the French. Clever.
In the immortal words of Kenny Everett, "let's bomb Paris!". Or something like that.
I don't think of cognoscenti as the defining characteristic of PB, if I'm honest.
The UK factories response for making NLAWs are going have to start working overtime.
“I don’t think ours have failed. I’ve got the details of ours. We’ve given you over 4,000. We’ve got more coming,” he said. “We’re running out of our own. I speak to Reznikov and text him every day.”
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
Awful scanning: "I-I vow... t'thee my cou-untry..."
Should have got W.S.Gilbert to write the lyrics, at least they'd have scanned (and been funnier). (Ok, so he was dead but a dead WSG would have been better than Sir Cecil Spring Pancake Rice.)
Plus, ridiculous sentiments. "...her shining bounds increase, ...and all her paths are peace" Er, how to those two work ? Empire-building by peace offensive?
Apart from that - great choice.
We should confuse the hell out of everybody and choose Jerusalem the Golden, in its full version (which so clearly confuses England and Heaven in Neale's translation that the first half is almost never sung now).
that aside, it is a grand tune. Far better than Jerusalem which is one of Parry's weaker and less interesting efforts.
If we have to go with Parry at least have something rousing like I Was Glad.
Jerusalem the golden, With milk and honey blest, Beneath thy contemplation Sink heart and voice oppressed.
And so on for about 20 verses of the sort of paranoid euphoria I associate with class A psychedelics. Strange poem.
This is the original opening:
For thee, O dear, dear country, Mine eyes their vigils keep; For very love, beholding Thy happy name, they weep; The mention of thy glory Is unction to the breast, And medicine in sickness, And love, and life, and rest.
O one, O only mansion, O Paradise of joy! Where tears are ever banished, And smiles have no alloy; The Cross is all thy splendor, The Crucified thy praise; His laud and benediction Thy ransomed people raise.
Thou hast no shore, fair ocean; Thou hast no time, bright day; Dear fountain of refreshment To pilgrims far away! Upon the Rock of Ages They raise thy holy tower; Thine is the victor's laurel, And thine the golden dower.
O sweet and blessèd country, The home of God's elect; O sweet and blessèd country, That eager hearts expect! Jesus, in mercy bring us, To that dear land of rest, Who art, with God the Father And Spirit, ever blest.
Thou hast no shore, fair ocean; Thou hast no time, bright day;
is absolutely a trip report from a dreary subreddit about drugs.
Although a clear overall toning down of the rhetoric on that front today, from Peskov - "Russia would only use nuclear weapons if its very existence were under threat". I think the war has reached a stalemate, and the Russians are under-supplied.
Negotiations are looking the much more likely route out today.
I read something from a US analyst earlier to the effect that one of the regular wargames of RU military involves a strike with nukes on Poland.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
Awful scanning: "I-I vow... t'thee my cou-untry..."
Should have got W.S.Gilbert to write the lyrics, at least they'd have scanned (and been funnier). (Ok, so he was dead but a dead WSG would have been better than Sir Cecil Spring Pancake Rice.)
Plus, ridiculous sentiments. "...her shining bounds increase, ...and all her paths are peace" Er, how to those two work ? Empire-building by peace offensive?
Apart from that - great choice.
We should confuse the hell out of everybody and choose Jerusalem the Golden, in its full version (which so clearly confuses England and Heaven in Neale's translation that the first half is almost never sung now).
that aside, it is a grand tune. Far better than Jerusalem which is one of Parry's weaker and less interesting efforts.
If we have to go with Parry at least have something rousing like I Was Glad.
Jerusalem the golden, With milk and honey blest, Beneath thy contemplation Sink heart and voice oppressed.
And so on for about 20 verses of the sort of paranoid euphoria I associate with class A psychedelics. Strange poem.
This is the original opening:
For thee, O dear, dear country, Mine eyes their vigils keep; For very love, beholding Thy happy name, they weep; The mention of thy glory Is unction to the breast, And medicine in sickness, And love, and life, and rest.
O one, O only mansion, O Paradise of joy! Where tears are ever banished, And smiles have no alloy; The Cross is all thy splendor, The Crucified thy praise; His laud and benediction Thy ransomed people raise.
Thou hast no shore, fair ocean; Thou hast no time, bright day; Dear fountain of refreshment To pilgrims far away! Upon the Rock of Ages They raise thy holy tower; Thine is the victor's laurel, And thine the golden dower.
O sweet and blessèd country, The home of God's elect; O sweet and blessèd country, That eager hearts expect! Jesus, in mercy bring us, To that dear land of rest, Who art, with God the Father And Spirit, ever blest.
Thou hast no shore, fair ocean; Thou hast no time, bright day;
is absolutely a trip report from a dreary subreddit about drugs.
What would the 'fountain of refreshment' stand for in this metaphor?
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
Awful scanning: "I-I vow... t'thee my cou-untry..."
Should have got W.S.Gilbert to write the lyrics, at least they'd have scanned (and been funnier). (Ok, so he was dead but a dead WSG would have been better than Sir Cecil Spring Pancake Rice.)
Plus, ridiculous sentiments. "...her shining bounds increase, ...and all her paths are peace" Er, how to those two work ? Empire-building by peace offensive?
Apart from that - great choice.
We should confuse the hell out of everybody and choose Jerusalem the Golden, in its full version (which so clearly confuses England and Heaven in Neale's translation that the first half is almost never sung now).
that aside, it is a grand tune. Far better than Jerusalem which is one of Parry's weaker and less interesting efforts.
If we have to go with Parry at least have something rousing like I Was Glad.
Jerusalem the golden, With milk and honey blest, Beneath thy contemplation Sink heart and voice oppressed.
And so on for about 20 verses of the sort of paranoid euphoria I associate with class A psychedelics. Strange poem.
This is the original opening:
For thee, O dear, dear country, Mine eyes their vigils keep; For very love, beholding Thy happy name, they weep; The mention of thy glory Is unction to the breast, And medicine in sickness, And love, and life, and rest.
O one, O only mansion, O Paradise of joy! Where tears are ever banished, And smiles have no alloy; The Cross is all thy splendor, The Crucified thy praise; His laud and benediction Thy ransomed people raise.
Thou hast no shore, fair ocean; Thou hast no time, bright day; Dear fountain of refreshment To pilgrims far away! Upon the Rock of Ages They raise thy holy tower; Thine is the victor's laurel, And thine the golden dower.
O sweet and blessèd country, The home of God's elect; O sweet and blessèd country, That eager hearts expect! Jesus, in mercy bring us, To that dear land of rest, Who art, with God the Father And Spirit, ever blest.
Thou hast no shore, fair ocean; Thou hast no time, bright day;
is absolutely a trip report from a dreary subreddit about drugs.
What would the 'fountain of refreshment' stand for in this metaphor?
Same thing as "medicine in sickness" I imagine. Freebase DMT.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
It is an uninspiring dirge and needs replacement
I don't agree, it's an OK melody and easy to sing. I'm astonished we've had a vote in favour of Flower of Scotland from a non-Scot. It's heinous. Hearing a crowd drone it out all at different times and in different keys is bad, really bad. That's a dirge. It's nothing to do with Scotland by the way Nats - The Bonny Bonny Banks of Loch Lomond is about the best song in the world.
It is good to disagree but I have never liked the national anthem and to be honest my Scottish wife does not like Scotlands
Of course our Welsh anthem is fantastic
This is the saddest Welsh song ever writen. We used to sing it on the first day of term at my prep school in Penmaenmawr. Not a dry eye in the house. All we wanted was to go home....
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business. Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.
Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.
CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝
The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?
Which bit is anti-French?
The pro-navy and anti-slavery bits obviously...
What? the French were fucking amateurs when it came to slavery, though I suppose they can claim some sort of share in Leopold of Belgium, who spoke the language. It was always Portugal first, britain second and the rest also ran.
Napoleon re-introduced slavery after it had been abolished.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
Has @Scott_xP made any comment as I assume he will be embarrassed by this behaviour and call it out
The PB Remoaners are staying quiet. The only voices responding are those condemning this despicable act and the outright Putin apologists engaging in whataboutism.
I’m a Libdem and speaking up. The only way to steer something like this is to reform yourself and lead by example. How squeaking clean and brilliant are we before shouting about everyone else (I agree the French undercutting sanctions and pressure on Putin is disgusting)
The night of the invasion of Ukraine Britains Tory Prime Minister was at a fund raising do shamelessly courting yet more dirty money, the Murdoch press claim.
Maybe the PM can actually make it to PMQs this week and answer these questions for himself rather than hiding from awkward questions? Maybe then we will have a clearer picture how squeaky clean and brilliant our own government is?
Much as I can't stand the Government, that's whataboutery, not speaking up, I'm afraid.
Indeed. We do need to be cleaner, in a lot of ways, but that doesn't prevent commentary on others. Sometimes stones need to be cast before waiting for someone sin free to do it.
But the anti-French stuff has been a bit overblown.
“Sometimes stones need to be cast before waiting for someone sin free to do it“
Are you sure?
Yes, I am sure. Sin free people (and nations) do not exist in the real world. And waiting for a perfect world before addressing a problem would be a greater sin than acting despite having some sin.
Scaled down, that means that you can still criticise others without being perfect yourself, so long as you are aware of your own failings.
What sort of world is that?
The one we live in.
No one is saying we cannot aspire to do better and behave better, but there's a reason 'Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good' is a saying.
A world where sinners throw stones at one another? Where exactly do you draw the line? Do you give more leeway to those who vote the same as you, pray the same as you, belong to the same Nation, less leeway to those who don’t tolerate depictions of their God’s and Prophet’s, or who identify as French?
The only way to change the world for what you regard as better is to reform your own spirit and set the example to follow. 😇
Putin's played a blinder today. He's managed to get almost all the PB cognoscenti to transfer their wrath and fury from him and his army to Macron and the French. Clever.
In the immortal words of Kenny Everett, "let's bomb Paris". Or something like that.
Are you suggesting Macron is in cahoots with Putin?
No.
I've always found the anti-French rhetoric on PB quite unpleasant, and it's really the only thing that turns me off this forum. I know some of it is in jest, but sadly some of it isn't, and quite a few posters seem to have a vitriolic and irrational dislike of everything and everybody French.
On the specific issue, it sounds like the French deserve criticism. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if, in due course, we discover that several international and multinational companies are still trading or doing some sort of dealings with Russia, including some in the UK. I'll bet there's still UK money washing around in Moscow (as well as Russian money washing around in London), but we may never know as it wouldn't be high profile like Renault.
The UK factories response for making NLAWs are going have to start working overtime.
“I don’t think ours have failed. I’ve got the details of ours. We’ve given you over 4,000. We’ve got more coming,” he said. “We’re running out of our own. I speak to Reznikov and text him every day.”
In any call, all Ministers should stuff Russian hoaxers by constantly referring to the 16,000 Russian dead, the 25,000 injured and the total destruction of the Russian armour.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
It is an uninspiring dirge and needs replacement
Agreed. We should use Jerusalem as I believe we already do in the Commonwealth Games?
Oh great. One uninspiring dirge replaced with another.
Jerusalem is a wonderful song, but it is a solely English anthem.
It really isn't. Terrible piece of music.
Of all the Parry I know - and I know an awful lot of his work one way and another - I'd say it's the one I like least.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business. Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.
Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.
CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝
The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?
Which bit is anti-French?
The pro-navy and anti-slavery bits obviously...
What? the French were fucking amateurs when it came to slavery, though I suppose they can claim some sort of share in Leopold of Belgium, who spoke the language. It was always Portugal first, britain second and the rest also ran.
Napoleon re-introduced slavery after it had been abolished.
That can be restated as, France was the first nation to abolish slavery
The UK factories response for making NLAWs are going have to start working overtime.
“I don’t think ours have failed. I’ve got the details of ours. We’ve given you over 4,000. We’ve got more coming,” he said. “We’re running out of our own. I speak to Reznikov and text him every day.”
In any call, all Ministers should stuff Russian hoaxers by constantly referring to the 16,000 Russian dead, the 25,000 injured and the total destruction of the Russian armour.
Then see if that gets played in public....
And Dobby the House Elf.
Although Dobby was brave enough to fight in the front line. Unlike Putin.
The Ukrainians have stopped men under 65 leaving the country. We have quite a few young women training as reservists. If they are as committed as we're led to believe what kind of size of reserve army will they get to? Is there any reason why it could not be one million? Two million? If you are talking about a war for national survival, is this inconceivable.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
Awful scanning: "I-I vow... t'thee my cou-untry..."
Should have got W.S.Gilbert to write the lyrics, at least they'd have scanned (and been funnier). (Ok, so he was dead but a dead WSG would have been better than Sir Cecil Spring Pancake Rice.)
Plus, ridiculous sentiments. "...her shining bounds increase, ...and all her paths are peace" Er, how to those two work ? Empire-building by peace offensive?
Apart from that - great choice.
We should confuse the hell out of everybody and choose Jerusalem the Golden, in its full version (which so clearly confuses England and Heaven in Neale's translation that the first half is almost never sung now).
that aside, it is a grand tune. Far better than Jerusalem which is one of Parry's weaker and less interesting efforts.
If we have to go with Parry at least have something rousing like I Was Glad.
Jerusalem the golden, With milk and honey blest, Beneath thy contemplation Sink heart and voice oppressed.
And so on for about 20 verses of the sort of paranoid euphoria I associate with class A psychedelics. Strange poem.
This is the original opening:
For thee, O dear, dear country, Mine eyes their vigils keep; For very love, beholding Thy happy name, they weep; The mention of thy glory Is unction to the breast, And medicine in sickness, And love, and life, and rest.
O one, O only mansion, O Paradise of joy! Where tears are ever banished, And smiles have no alloy; The Cross is all thy splendor, The Crucified thy praise; His laud and benediction Thy ransomed people raise.
Thou hast no shore, fair ocean; Thou hast no time, bright day; Dear fountain of refreshment To pilgrims far away! Upon the Rock of Ages They raise thy holy tower; Thine is the victor's laurel, And thine the golden dower.
O sweet and blessèd country, The home of God's elect; O sweet and blessèd country, That eager hearts expect! Jesus, in mercy bring us, To that dear land of rest, Who art, with God the Father And Spirit, ever blest.
Thou hast no shore, fair ocean; Thou hast no time, bright day;
is absolutely a trip report from a dreary subreddit about drugs.
What would the 'fountain of refreshment' stand for in this metaphor?
It anticipates my idea of adding an extravagant 'Boris Jet' to the Swansea Tidal Barrage.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
Has @Scott_xP made any comment as I assume he will be embarrassed by this behaviour and call it out
The PB Remoaners are staying quiet. The only voices responding are those condemning this despicable act and the outright Putin apologists engaging in whataboutism.
I’m a Libdem and speaking up. The only way to steer something like this is to reform yourself and lead by example. How squeaking clean and brilliant are we before shouting about everyone else (I agree the French undercutting sanctions and pressure on Putin is disgusting)
The night of the invasion of Ukraine Britains Tory Prime Minister was at a fund raising do shamelessly courting yet more dirty money, the Murdoch press claim.
Maybe the PM can actually make it to PMQs this week and answer these questions for himself rather than hiding from awkward questions? Maybe then we will have a clearer picture how squeaky clean and brilliant our own government is?
Much as I can't stand the Government, that's whataboutery, not speaking up, I'm afraid.
Indeed. We do need to be cleaner, in a lot of ways, but that doesn't prevent commentary on others. Sometimes stones need to be cast before waiting for someone sin free to do it.
But the anti-French stuff has been a bit overblown.
“Sometimes stones need to be cast before waiting for someone sin free to do it“
Are you sure?
Yes, I am sure. Sin free people (and nations) do not exist in the real world. And waiting for a perfect world before addressing a problem would be a greater sin than acting despite having some sin.
Scaled down, that means that you can still criticise others without being perfect yourself, so long as you are aware of your own failings.
What sort of world is that?
The one we live in.
No one is saying we cannot aspire to do better and behave better, but there's a reason 'Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good' is a saying.
A world where sinners throw stones at one another? Where exactly do you draw the line? Do you give more leeway to those who vote the same as you, pray the same as you, belong to the same Nation, less leeway to those who don’t tolerate depictions of their God’s and Prophet’s, or who identify as French?
The only way to change the world for what you regard as better is to reform your own spirit and set the example to follow. 😇
You appear to be deliberately misreading me, since nothing in what I wrote suggests a cavalier view of throwing stones at one another, and in fact I directly talk about aspiring to be better rather than give in to baser instincts such as enacting vengeance or ignoring our own sins.
I simply rejected the idea we can be without sin, and therefore unable to act at all, causing a greater sin. I don't think that is particularly controversial.
We cannot be perfect, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to be better. We also shouldn't act like a failure to attain perfection is a problem. Hence the stones throwing analogy. Not all sins are equal, some need dealing with, and we cannot ignore them because we are imperfect and in no place to judge.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
It is an uninspiring dirge and needs replacement
Agreed. We should use Jerusalem as I believe we already do in the Commonwealth Games?
Oh great. One uninspiring dirge replaced with another.
Jerusalem is a wonderful song, but it is a solely English anthem.
It really isn't. Terrible piece of music.
Of all the Parry I know - and I know an awful lot of his work one way and another - I'd say it's the one I like least.
Putin's played a blinder today. He's managed to get almost all the PB cognoscenti to transfer their wrath and fury from him and his army to Macron and the French. Clever.
In the immortal words of Kenny Everett, "let's bomb Paris". Or something like that.
Are you suggesting Macron is in cahoots with Putin?
No.
I've always found the anti-French rhetoric on PB quite unpleasant, and it's really the only thing that turns me off this forum. I know some of it is in jest, but sadly some of it isn't, and quite a few posters seem to have a vitriolic and irrational dislike of everything and everybody French.
On the specific issue, it sounds like the French deserve criticism. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if, in due course, we discover that several international and multinational companies are still trading or doing some sort of dealings with Russia, including some in the UK. I'll bet there's still UK money washing around in Moscow (as well as Russian money washing around in London), but we may never know as it wouldn't be high profile like Renault.
There are still UK companies still operating in Russia e.g. I believe AZN is still running drug trials there. There are also brands like M&S who have licensing deal with a Turkish company, who then operate in Russia, so although they can't force the closure of stores, are indirectly profiting. And there are also supply chain links e.g. the Scottish seed potato producers who have a deal with PepsiCo to provide those to their Russian farmers to grow the spuds for Walkers / Lays in Russia.
The criticism here is specifically that the French government own a big stake in Renault and have told them to go on and get cracking again building Ladas.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business. Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.
Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.
CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝
The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?
Which bit is anti-French?
The pro-navy and anti-slavery bits obviously...
What? the French were fucking amateurs when it came to slavery, though I suppose they can claim some sort of share in Leopold of Belgium, who spoke the language. It was always Portugal first, britain second and the rest also ran.
Napoleon re-introduced slavery after it had been abolished.
That can be restated as, France was the first nation to abolish slavery
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
Awful scanning: "I-I vow... t'thee my cou-untry..."
Should have got W.S.Gilbert to write the lyrics, at least they'd have scanned (and been funnier). (Ok, so he was dead but a dead WSG would have been better than Sir Cecil Spring Pancake Rice.)
Plus, ridiculous sentiments. "...her shining bounds increase, ...and all her paths are peace" Er, how to those two work ? Empire-building by peace offensive?
Apart from that - great choice.
We should confuse the hell out of everybody and choose Jerusalem the Golden, in its full version (which so clearly confuses England and Heaven in Neale's translation that the first half is almost never sung now).
that aside, it is a grand tune. Far better than Jerusalem which is one of Parry's weaker and less interesting efforts.
If we have to go with Parry at least have something rousing like I Was Glad.
Putin's played a blinder today. He's managed to get almost all the PB cognoscenti to transfer their wrath and fury from him and his army to Macron and the French. Clever.
In the immortal words of Kenny Everett, "let's bomb Paris". Or something like that.
Are you suggesting Macron is in cahoots with Putin?
No.
I've always found the anti-French rhetoric on PB quite unpleasant, and it's really the only thing that turns me off this forum. I know some of it is in jest, but sadly some of it isn't, and quite a few posters seem to have a vitriolic and irrational dislike of everything and everybody French.
On the specific issue, it sounds like the French deserve criticism. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if, in due course, we discover that several international and multinational companies are still trading or doing some sort of dealings with Russia, including some in the UK. I'll bet there's still UK money washing around in Moscow (as well as Russian money washing around in London), but we may never know as it wouldn't be high profile like Renault.
There are still UK companies still operating in Russia e.g. I believe AZN is still running drug trials there. There are also brands like M&S who have licensing deal with a Turkish company, who then operate in Russia. And there are also supply chain links e.g. the Scottish seed potato producers who have a deal with PepsiCo to provide those to their Russian farmers to grow the spuds for Walkers / Lays in Russia.
The criticism here is specifically that the French government own a big stake in Renault and have told them to go on and get cracking again building Ladas.
Which is why I wrote the following words: On the specific issue, it sounds like the French deserve criticism.
Putin's played a blinder today. He's managed to get almost all the PB cognoscenti to transfer their wrath and fury from him and his army to Macron and the French. Clever.
In the immortal words of Kenny Everett, "let's bomb Paris". Or something like that.
Are you suggesting Macron is in cahoots with Putin?
No.
I've always found the anti-French rhetoric on PB quite unpleasant, and it's really the only thing that turns me off this forum. I know some of it is in jest, but sadly some of it isn't, and quite a few posters seem to have a vitriolic and irrational dislike of everything and everybody French.
On the specific issue, it sounds like the French deserve criticism. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if, in due course, we discover that several international and multinational companies are still trading or doing some sort of dealings with Russia, including some in the UK. I'll bet there's still UK money washing around in Moscow (as well as Russian money washing around in London), but we may never know as it wouldn't be high profile like Renault.
There are still UK companies still operating in Russia e.g. I believe AZN is still running drug trials there. There are also brands like M&S who have licensing deal with a Turkish company, who then operate in Russia. And there are also supply chain links e.g. the Scottish seed potato producers who have a deal with PepsiCo to provide those to their Russian farmers to grow the spuds for Walkers / Lays in Russia.
The criticism here is specifically that the French government own a big stake in Renault and have told them to go on and get cracking again building Ladas.
Which is why I wrote the following words: On the specific issue, it sounds like the French deserve criticism.
I was clarifying that it isn't just a French company, it is the French government. There are French companies that don't appear to have any particular issues with exploiting the situation to expand their business, but that's a slightly different matter, as noted there will be others from a range of countries who probably won't be moralising either.
The UK factories response for making NLAWs are going have to start working overtime.
“I don’t think ours have failed. I’ve got the details of ours. We’ve given you over 4,000. We’ve got more coming,” he said. “We’re running out of our own. I speak to Reznikov and text him every day.”
In any call, all Ministers should stuff Russian hoaxers by constantly referring to the 16,000 Russian dead, the 25,000 injured and the total destruction of the Russian armour.
Then see if that gets played in public....
And Dobby the House Elf.
Although Dobby was brave enough to fight in the front line. Unlike Putin.
Dobby paid the ultimate price. All for a pair of socks.
Putin's played a blinder today. He's managed to get almost all the PB cognoscenti to transfer their wrath and fury from him and his army to Macron and the French. Clever.
In the immortal words of Kenny Everett, "let's bomb Paris". Or something like that.
Are you suggesting Macron is in cahoots with Putin?
No.
I've always found the anti-French rhetoric on PB quite unpleasant, and it's really the only thing that turns me off this forum. I know some of it is in jest, but sadly some of it isn't, and quite a few posters seem to have a vitriolic and irrational dislike of everything and everybody French.
On the specific issue, it sounds like the French deserve criticism. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if, in due course, we discover that several international and multinational companies are still trading or doing some sort of dealings with Russia, including some in the UK. I'll bet there's still UK money washing around in Moscow (as well as Russian money washing around in London), but we may never know as it wouldn't be high profile like Renault.
I recall a sketch from Yes Minister where Sir Humphrey concludes that the French are our actual enemies, and the only reason to join the EU was to undermine them from within. I read the comments about the French on PB in this vein. Probably best not to take them too seriously.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
It is an uninspiring dirge and needs replacement
Agreed. We should use Jerusalem as I believe we already do in the Commonwealth Games?
Oh great. One uninspiring dirge replaced with another.
Jerusalem is a wonderful song, but it is a solely English anthem.
It really isn't. Terrible piece of music.
Of all the Parry I know - and I know an awful lot of his work one way and another - I'd say it's the one I like least.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
Has @Scott_xP made any comment as I assume he will be embarrassed by this behaviour and call it out
The PB Remoaners are staying quiet. The only voices responding are those condemning this despicable act and the outright Putin apologists engaging in whataboutism.
I’m a Libdem and speaking up. The only way to steer something like this is to reform yourself and lead by example. How squeaking clean and brilliant are we before shouting about everyone else (I agree the French undercutting sanctions and pressure on Putin is disgusting)
The night of the invasion of Ukraine Britains Tory Prime Minister was at a fund raising do shamelessly courting yet more dirty money, the Murdoch press claim.
Maybe the PM can actually make it to PMQs this week and answer these questions for himself rather than hiding from awkward questions? Maybe then we will have a clearer picture how squeaky clean and brilliant our own government is?
Much as I can't stand the Government, that's whataboutery, not speaking up, I'm afraid.
Indeed. We do need to be cleaner, in a lot of ways, but that doesn't prevent commentary on others. Sometimes stones need to be cast before waiting for someone sin free to do it.
But the anti-French stuff has been a bit overblown.
“Sometimes stones need to be cast before waiting for someone sin free to do it“
Are you sure?
Yes, I am sure. Sin free people (and nations) do not exist in the real world. And waiting for a perfect world before addressing a problem would be a greater sin than acting despite having some sin.
Scaled down, that means that you can still criticise others without being perfect yourself, so long as you are aware of your own failings.
What sort of world is that?
The one we live in.
No one is saying we cannot aspire to do better and behave better, but there's a reason 'Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good' is a saying.
A world where sinners throw stones at one another? Where exactly do you draw the line? Do you give more leeway to those who vote the same as you, pray the same as you, belong to the same Nation, less leeway to those who don’t tolerate depictions of their God’s and Prophet’s, or who identify as French?
The only way to change the world for what you regard as better is to reform your own spirit and set the example to follow. 😇
You appear to be deliberately misreading me, since nothing in what I wrote suggests a cavalier view of throwing stones at one another, and in fact I directly talk about aspiring to be better rather than give in to baser instincts such as enacting vengeance or ignoring our own sins.
I simply rejected the idea we can be without sin, and therefore unable to act at all, causing a greater sin. I don't think that is particularly controversial.
We cannot be perfect, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to be better. We also shouldn't act like a failure to attain perfection is a problem. Hence the stones throwing analogy. Not all sins are equal, some need dealing with, and we cannot ignore them because we are imperfect and in no place to judge.
Not misreading you at all, merely asked if you are to tolerate sinful people throwing stones at each other, which you are, then where and how are you drawing line between lesser and greater sin? Considering you are chock full of your own prejudices.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
It is an uninspiring dirge and needs replacement
Agreed. We should use Jerusalem as I believe we already do in the Commonwealth Games?
Oh great. One uninspiring dirge replaced with another.
Jerusalem is a wonderful song, but it is a solely English anthem.
It really isn't. Terrible piece of music.
Of all the Parry I know - and I know an awful lot of his work one way and another - I'd say it's the one I like least.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
It is an uninspiring dirge and needs replacement
Agreed. We should use Jerusalem as I believe we already do in the Commonwealth Games?
Oh great. One uninspiring dirge replaced with another.
Jerusalem is a wonderful song, but it is a solely English anthem.
It really isn't. Terrible piece of music.
Of all the Parry I know - and I know an awful lot of his work one way and another - I'd say it's the one I like least.
I do. He has one defining belief, anti-imperialism. He will see Russia's war as czarism, pure and simple - one of the reasons for the Russian Revolution was to stop the war ("Bread and peace"). It's a right-wing myth that left-wingers (except George Galloway and a few similar contrarians) are fond of Putin. Putin has got us all on more or less the same side in opposition - we may argue about NATO's role pre-war, but really that's dwarfed by what's happening now.
But I should probably retire from the argument about Corbyn - I'm not sure it should matter any more. Let him cultivate his allotment in peace.
Putin's played a blinder today. He's managed to get almost all the PB cognoscenti to transfer their wrath and fury from him and his army to Macron and the French. Clever.
In the immortal words of Kenny Everett, "let's bomb Paris". Or something like that.
Are you suggesting Macron is in cahoots with Putin?
No.
I've always found the anti-French rhetoric on PB quite unpleasant, and it's really the only thing that turns me off this forum. I know some of it is in jest, but sadly some of it isn't, and quite a few posters seem to have a vitriolic and irrational dislike of everything and everybody French.
On the specific issue, it sounds like the French deserve criticism. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if, in due course, we discover that several international and multinational companies are still trading or doing some sort of dealings with Russia, including some in the UK. I'll bet there's still UK money washing around in Moscow (as well as Russian money washing around in London), but we may never know as it wouldn't be high profile like Renault.
Renault aren't the worst example from French industry. Total are helping Russian companies extract and sell gas, Total's expertise is helping fund the Russian war effort. BP and Exxon both pulled out of their Russian investments, Shell pulled out of their investments in NS and NS2. Total are a disgrace, they are helping Putin fund the bombing of Ukrainian civilians. The gas they extract in Russia and sell to Germany is funding the bombs that kill civilians.
You can't even bring yourself to admit this, just mealy mouthed "it sounds like the French deserve criticism". You want to see equivalence between what French companies are doing in Russia with what UK companies are doing, yet our two major oil and gas companies (BP, Shell) wrote down tens of billions in Russian investments while Total have just continued as normal. Why should Total be allowed to continue to line their pockets and Putin's pockets? What makes them exempt from the western business withdrawal from Russia?
I think you want to see France as some kind of foil for Brexit Britain and therefore are incapable of doing anything as bad as the UK. French companies are contributing to Putin's war effort. There's not a lot more else to it.
Putin's played a blinder today. He's managed to get almost all the PB cognoscenti to transfer their wrath and fury from him and his army to Macron and the French. Clever.
In the immortal words of Kenny Everett, "let's bomb Paris". Or something like that.
Are you suggesting Macron is in cahoots with Putin?
No.
I've always found the anti-French rhetoric on PB quite unpleasant, and it's really the only thing that turns me off this forum. I know some of it is in jest, but sadly some of it isn't, and quite a few posters seem to have a vitriolic and irrational dislike of everything and everybody French.
On the specific issue, it sounds like the French deserve criticism. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if, in due course, we discover that several international and multinational companies are still trading or doing some sort of dealings with Russia, including some in the UK. I'll bet there's still UK money washing around in Moscow (as well as Russian money washing around in London), but we may never know as it wouldn't be high profile like Renault.
Aren't the UK getting Russian oil till the end of the year? That's nine months!
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
It is an uninspiring dirge and needs replacement
Agreed. We should use Jerusalem as I believe we already do in the Commonwealth Games?
Oh great. One uninspiring dirge replaced with another.
Jerusalem is a wonderful song, but it is a solely English anthem.
It really isn't. Terrible piece of music.
Of all the Parry I know - and I know an awful lot of his work one way and another - I'd say it's the one I like least.
Putin's played a blinder today. He's managed to get almost all the PB cognoscenti to transfer their wrath and fury from him and his army to Macron and the French. Clever.
In the immortal words of Kenny Everett, "let's bomb Paris". Or something like that.
Are you suggesting Macron is in cahoots with Putin?
No.
I've always found the anti-French rhetoric on PB quite unpleasant, and it's really the only thing that turns me off this forum. I know some of it is in jest, but sadly some of it isn't, and quite a few posters seem to have a vitriolic and irrational dislike of everything and everybody French.
On the specific issue, it sounds like the French deserve criticism. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if, in due course, we discover that several international and multinational companies are still trading or doing some sort of dealings with Russia, including some in the UK. I'll bet there's still UK money washing around in Moscow (as well as Russian money washing around in London), but we may never know as it wouldn't be high profile like Renault.
Good post.
Yes, the nasty and unpleasant francophobia on here is pretty vile. That is not to say this move by Renault is not worthy of censure, it clearly is.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
Awful scanning: "I-I vow... t'thee my cou-untry..."
Should have got W.S.Gilbert to write the lyrics, at least they'd have scanned (and been funnier). (Ok, so he was dead but a dead WSG would have been better than Sir Cecil Spring Pancake Rice.)
Plus, ridiculous sentiments. "...her shining bounds increase, ...and all her paths are peace" Er, how to those two work ? Empire-building by peace offensive?
Apart from that - great choice.
We should confuse the hell out of everybody and choose Jerusalem the Golden, in its full version (which so clearly confuses England and Heaven in Neale's translation that the first half is almost never sung now).
that aside, it is a grand tune. Far better than Jerusalem which is one of Parry's weaker and less interesting efforts.
If we have to go with Parry at least have something rousing like I Was Glad.
Jerusalem the golden, With milk and honey blest, Beneath thy contemplation Sink heart and voice oppressed.
And so on for about 20 verses of the sort of paranoid euphoria I associate with class A psychedelics. Strange poem.
This is the original opening:
For thee, O dear, dear country, Mine eyes their vigils keep; For very love, beholding Thy happy name, they weep; The mention of thy glory Is unction to the breast, And medicine in sickness, And love, and life, and rest.
O one, O only mansion, O Paradise of joy! Where tears are ever banished, And smiles have no alloy; The Cross is all thy splendor, The Crucified thy praise; His laud and benediction Thy ransomed people raise.
Thou hast no shore, fair ocean; Thou hast no time, bright day; Dear fountain of refreshment To pilgrims far away! Upon the Rock of Ages They raise thy holy tower; Thine is the victor's laurel, And thine the golden dower.
O sweet and blessèd country, The home of God's elect; O sweet and blessèd country, That eager hearts expect! Jesus, in mercy bring us, To that dear land of rest, Who art, with God the Father And Spirit, ever blest.
Thou hast no shore, fair ocean; Thou hast no time, bright day;
is absolutely a trip report from a dreary subreddit about drugs.
What would the 'fountain of refreshment' stand for in this metaphor?
Luckily, most of the British voting public didn't trust that such a statement would be remotely true and decided to make sure he was nowhere near Downing Street.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business. Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.
Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.
CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝
The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?
I'd say the songs in Church of England hymnbooks is precisely Church of England business.
And quite reasonable to note that the theology in Jerusalem is ... even being kind ... bollocks.
But does anyone have any evidence that it is banned?
It's very un-CofE to ban anything outright. Far more the sort of thing done in Scotland or by Atheists who both tend to be far more dogmatic about such things.
The last time I knew of it was Colin Slee, as the man with control of Worship at Southwark Cathedral.
Putin's played a blinder today. He's managed to get almost all the PB cognoscenti to transfer their wrath and fury from him and his army to Macron and the French. Clever.
In the immortal words of Kenny Everett, "let's bomb Paris". Or something like that.
Are you suggesting Macron is in cahoots with Putin?
No.
I've always found the anti-French rhetoric on PB quite unpleasant, and it's really the only thing that turns me off this forum. I know some of it is in jest, but sadly some of it isn't, and quite a few posters seem to have a vitriolic and irrational dislike of everything and everybody French.
On the specific issue, it sounds like the French deserve criticism. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if, in due course, we discover that several international and multinational companies are still trading or doing some sort of dealings with Russia, including some in the UK. I'll bet there's still UK money washing around in Moscow (as well as Russian money washing around in London), but we may never know as it wouldn't be high profile like Renault.
Renault aren't the worst example from French industry. Total are helping Russian companies extract and sell gas, Total's expertise is helping fund the Russian war effort. BP and Exxon both pulled out of their Russian investments, Shell pulled out of their investments in NS and NS2. Total are a disgrace, they are helping Putin fund the bombing of Ukrainian civilians. The gas they extract in Russia and sell to Germany is funding the bombs that kill civilians.
You can't even bring yourself to admit this, just mealy mouthed "it sounds like the French deserve criticism". You want to see equivalence between what French companies are doing in Russia with what UK companies are doing, yet our two major oil and gas companies (BP, Shell) wrote down tens of billions in Russian investments while Total have just continued as normal. Why should Total be allowed to continue to line their pockets and Putin's pockets? What makes them exempt from the western business withdrawal from Russia?
I think you want to see France as some kind of foil for Brexit Britain and therefore are incapable of doing anything as bad as the UK. French companies are contributing to Putin's war effort. There's not a lot more else to it.
Thanks for confirming my first paragraph. Sorry that my invective (the French deserve criticism) wasn't sufficiently apoplectic for you. I'm not sure why you mentioned Brexit - I certainly didn't, and very rarely do.
I do. He has one defining belief, anti-imperialism. He will see Russia's war as czarism, pure and simple - one of the reasons for the Russian Revolution was to stop the war ("Bread and peace"). It's a right-wing myth that left-wingers (except George Galloway and a few similar contrarians) are fond of Putin. Putin has got us all on more or less the same side in opposition - we may argue about NATO's role pre-war, but really that's dwarfed by what's happening now.
But I should probably retire from the argument about Corbyn - I'm not sure it should matter any more. Let him cultivate his allotment in peace.
The question Marr asked her was about whether a Corbyn government would have sent weapons to Ukraine, like Johnson's government did, BEFORE the invasion.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
Awful scanning: "I-I vow... t'thee my cou-untry..."
Should have got W.S.Gilbert to write the lyrics, at least they'd have scanned (and been funnier). (Ok, so he was dead but a dead WSG would have been better than Sir Cecil Spring Pancake Rice.)
Plus, ridiculous sentiments. "...her shining bounds increase, ...and all her paths are peace" Er, how to those two work ? Empire-building by peace offensive?
Apart from that - great choice.
We should confuse the hell out of everybody and choose Jerusalem the Golden, in its full version (which so clearly confuses England and Heaven in Neale's translation that the first half is almost never sung now).
that aside, it is a grand tune. Far better than Jerusalem which is one of Parry's weaker and less interesting efforts.
If we have to go with Parry at least have something rousing like I Was Glad.
Jerusalem the golden, With milk and honey blest, Beneath thy contemplation Sink heart and voice oppressed.
And so on for about 20 verses of the sort of paranoid euphoria I associate with class A psychedelics. Strange poem.
This is the original opening:
For thee, O dear, dear country, Mine eyes their vigils keep; For very love, beholding Thy happy name, they weep; The mention of thy glory Is unction to the breast, And medicine in sickness, And love, and life, and rest.
O one, O only mansion, O Paradise of joy! Where tears are ever banished, And smiles have no alloy; The Cross is all thy splendor, The Crucified thy praise; His laud and benediction Thy ransomed people raise.
Thou hast no shore, fair ocean; Thou hast no time, bright day; Dear fountain of refreshment To pilgrims far away! Upon the Rock of Ages They raise thy holy tower; Thine is the victor's laurel, And thine the golden dower.
O sweet and blessèd country, The home of God's elect; O sweet and blessèd country, That eager hearts expect! Jesus, in mercy bring us, To that dear land of rest, Who art, with God the Father And Spirit, ever blest.
Thou hast no shore, fair ocean; Thou hast no time, bright day;
is absolutely a trip report from a dreary subreddit about drugs.
Thou hast no shore, fair ocean; Thou hast no time, bright day; Up above the streets and houses, Rainbow climbing high?
Putin's played a blinder today. He's managed to get almost all the PB cognoscenti to transfer their wrath and fury from him and his army to Macron and the French. Clever.
In the immortal words of Kenny Everett, "let's bomb Paris". Or something like that.
Are you suggesting Macron is in cahoots with Putin?
No.
I've always found the anti-French rhetoric on PB quite unpleasant, and it's really the only thing that turns me off this forum. I know some of it is in jest, but sadly some of it isn't, and quite a few posters seem to have a vitriolic and irrational dislike of everything and everybody French.
On the specific issue, it sounds like the French deserve criticism. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if, in due course, we discover that several international and multinational companies are still trading or doing some sort of dealings with Russia, including some in the UK. I'll bet there's still UK money washing around in Moscow (as well as Russian money washing around in London), but we may never know as it wouldn't be high profile like Renault.
Renault aren't the worst example from French industry. Total are helping Russian companies extract and sell gas, Total's expertise is helping fund the Russian war effort. BP and Exxon both pulled out of their Russian investments, Shell pulled out of their investments in NS and NS2. Total are a disgrace, they are helping Putin fund the bombing of Ukrainian civilians. The gas they extract in Russia and sell to Germany is funding the bombs that kill civilians.
You can't even bring yourself to admit this, just mealy mouthed "it sounds like the French deserve criticism". You want to see equivalence between what French companies are doing in Russia with what UK companies are doing, yet our two major oil and gas companies (BP, Shell) wrote down tens of billions in Russian investments while Total have just continued as normal. Why should Total be allowed to continue to line their pockets and Putin's pockets? What makes them exempt from the western business withdrawal from Russia?
I think you want to see France as some kind of foil for Brexit Britain and therefore are incapable of doing anything as bad as the UK. French companies are contributing to Putin's war effort. There's not a lot more else to it.
Thanks for confirming my first paragraph. Sorry that my invective (the French deserve criticism) wasn't sufficiently apoplectic for you.
Thanks for confirming that you can't bring yourself to see what French industry is doing, you want the UK to be the bad guy and France to be the good guy. That's not what's happening. Bury your head in the sand if you want. Hopefully Biden and Boris will grow a pair and sanction Total. Macron is clearly either too weak to force them to pull out or doesn't care that French industrial expertise is funding Putin's war against Ukrainian civilians.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business. Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.
Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.
CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝
The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?
I'd say the songs in Church of England hymnbooks is precisely Church of England business.
And quite reasonable to note that the theology in Jerusalem is ... even being kind ... bollocks.
But does anyone have any evidence that it is banned?
It's very un-CofE to ban anything outright. Far more the sort of thing done in Scotland or by Atheists who both tend to be far more dogmatic about such things.
The last time I knew of it was Colin Slee, as the man with control of Worship at Southwark Cathedral.
Why is anyone in a flap?
The only major hymn book I can think of that it isn't in is Mission Praise. Which is American Evangelical although it is widely used in the Church of England (unfortunately).
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
Awful scanning: "I-I vow... t'thee my cou-untry..."
Should have got W.S.Gilbert to write the lyrics, at least they'd have scanned (and been funnier). (Ok, so he was dead but a dead WSG would have been better than Sir Cecil Spring Pancake Rice.)
Plus, ridiculous sentiments. "...her shining bounds increase, ...and all her paths are peace" Er, how to those two work ? Empire-building by peace offensive?
Apart from that - great choice.
We should confuse the hell out of everybody and choose Jerusalem the Golden, in its full version (which so clearly confuses England and Heaven in Neale's translation that the first half is almost never sung now).
that aside, it is a grand tune. Far better than Jerusalem which is one of Parry's weaker and less interesting efforts.
If we have to go with Parry at least have something rousing like I Was Glad.
Jerusalem the golden, With milk and honey blest, Beneath thy contemplation Sink heart and voice oppressed.
And so on for about 20 verses of the sort of paranoid euphoria I associate with class A psychedelics. Strange poem.
This is the original opening:
For thee, O dear, dear country, Mine eyes their vigils keep; For very love, beholding Thy happy name, they weep; The mention of thy glory Is unction to the breast, And medicine in sickness, And love, and life, and rest.
O one, O only mansion, O Paradise of joy! Where tears are ever banished, And smiles have no alloy; The Cross is all thy splendor, The Crucified thy praise; His laud and benediction Thy ransomed people raise.
Thou hast no shore, fair ocean; Thou hast no time, bright day; Dear fountain of refreshment To pilgrims far away! Upon the Rock of Ages They raise thy holy tower; Thine is the victor's laurel, And thine the golden dower.
O sweet and blessèd country, The home of God's elect; O sweet and blessèd country, That eager hearts expect! Jesus, in mercy bring us, To that dear land of rest, Who art, with God the Father And Spirit, ever blest.
Thou hast no shore, fair ocean; Thou hast no time, bright day;
is absolutely a trip report from a dreary subreddit about drugs.
Thou hast no shore, fair ocean; Thou hast no time, bright day; Up above the streets and houses, Rainbow climbing high?
I do. He has one defining belief, anti-imperialism. He will see Russia's war as czarism, pure and simple - one of the reasons for the Russian Revolution was to stop the war ("Bread and peace"). It's a right-wing myth that left-wingers (except George Galloway and a few similar contrarians) are fond of Putin. Putin has got us all on more or less the same side in opposition - we may argue about NATO's role pre-war, but really that's dwarfed by what's happening now.
But I should probably retire from the argument about Corbyn - I'm not sure it should matter any more. Let him cultivate his allotment in peace.
The question Marr asked her was about whether a Corbyn government would have sent weapons to Ukraine, like Johnson's government did, BEFORE the invasion.
You don't believe that.
Isn’t that the sort of goings on though which so peeved Putin up into the invasion, Corbyn would answer. Then there would be a proper ding dong Corbyn accuses Tories and Pentagon of causing the bloodthirsty invasion! 😈
There is no arguing with the fact, given only two choices, a natural Ukraine under Zelenskyy is far better for the West than annexed Ukraine under Putin, a Corbyn government would also argue, before the war. Much as the same as Germany and France did say to Zelenskyy, before the war, so there would be unity between the three great powers of Europe no less!
Boris meanwhile merely told the Ukrainian’s what they wanted to hear, whilst courting Oligarch money for himself and party, being the shameless cad he is.
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
"The French are scum."
Clearly, and by definition.
However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!
They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.
I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice
I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.
The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.
The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg
I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.
It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.
EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.
I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.
The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business. Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.
Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.
CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝
The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?
I'd say the songs in Church of England hymnbooks is precisely Church of England business.
And quite reasonable to note that the theology in Jerusalem is ... even being kind ... bollocks.
But does anyone have any evidence that it is banned?
It's very un-CofE to ban anything outright. Far more the sort of thing done in Scotland or by Atheists who both tend to be far more dogmatic about such things.
The last time I knew of it was Colin Slee, as the man with control of Worship at Southwark Cathedral.
Why is anyone in a flap?
The only major hymn book I can think of that it isn't in is Mission Praise. Which is American Evangelical although it is widely used in the Church of England (unfortunately).
Does it qualify as a hymn book? I thought it contained only "songs".
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Shit, I think I just turned into Vladimir Putin. In fairness, the signs were there.
And I never said Boris shouldn't be judged. I have judged him repeatedly. You can't read words.
This might suggest an alternative approach to healing the rift with Europe created by Brexit. We could suggest terms for an Act of Union that would give the Europeans representation in the Commons, and a number of Peers in the Lords, in return for them accepting the primacy of Westminster.
We'd be willing to let them keep their legal system, and sports teams, like the Scots do.
The Pentagon UAP whistleblower Lue Elizondo was asked about this last week. He made a good point. The intelligence behind UAP is either benevolent, malevolent or agnostic to our fate.
There’s nothing in the history of the last century that suggests we have benevolent overseers protecting humanity from our worst instincts. No deus ex machina did anything to stop us testing the bomb. Or stop it being used twice in anger. Nothing to stop multiple genocides. Or technology sharing to arrest global warming etc…
As Dr Rubenstein remarked after the Holocaust, “God is dead”.
All of which makes the high preponderance of recorded UAP activity near nuclear sites slightly concerning, given we are left with agnostic and malevolent on the list.
With milk and honey blest,
Beneath thy contemplation
Sink heart and voice oppressed.
And so on for about 20 verses of the sort of paranoid euphoria I associate with class A psychedelics. Strange
poem.
For thee, O dear, dear country,
Mine eyes their vigils keep;
For very love, beholding
Thy happy name, they weep;
The mention of thy glory
Is unction to the breast,
And medicine in sickness,
And love, and life, and rest.
O one, O only mansion,
O Paradise of joy!
Where tears are ever banished,
And smiles have no alloy;
The Cross is all thy splendor,
The Crucified thy praise;
His laud and benediction
Thy ransomed people raise.
Thou hast no shore, fair ocean;
Thou hast no time, bright day;
Dear fountain of refreshment
To pilgrims far away!
Upon the Rock of Ages
They raise thy holy tower;
Thine is the victor's laurel,
And thine the golden dower.
O sweet and blessèd country,
The home of God's elect;
O sweet and blessèd country,
That eager hearts expect!
Jesus, in mercy bring us,
To that dear land of rest,
Who art, with God the Father
And Spirit, ever blest.
In the immortal words of Kenny Everett, "let's bomb Paris!". Or something like that.
Of all the Parry I know - and I know an awful lot of his work one way and another - I'd say it's the one I like least.
It presumably refers to the taking of British and Irish slaves by the Barbary corsairs, which was quite a thing in the 18th century.
“I don’t think ours have failed. I’ve got the details of ours. We’ve given you over 4,000. We’ve got more coming,” he said. “We’re running out of our own. I speak to Reznikov and text him every day.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/22/uk-anti-tank-weapons-defence-secretary-russian-hoax-call
Thou hast no time, bright day;
is absolutely a trip report from a dreary subreddit about drugs.
Bleak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHVA9lME2qA
The only way to change the world for what you regard as better is to reform your own spirit and set the example to follow. 😇
I've always found the anti-French rhetoric on PB quite unpleasant, and it's really the only thing that turns me off this forum. I know some of it is in jest, but sadly some of it isn't, and quite a few posters seem to have a vitriolic and irrational dislike of everything and everybody French.
On the specific issue, it sounds like the French deserve criticism. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if, in due course, we discover that several international and multinational companies are still trading or doing some sort of dealings with Russia, including some in the UK. I'll bet there's still UK money washing around in Moscow (as well as Russian money washing around in London), but we may never know as it wouldn't be high profile like Renault.
Then see if that gets played in public....
Although Dobby was brave enough to fight in the front line. Unlike Putin.
The Ukrainians have stopped men under 65 leaving the country. We have quite a few young women training as reservists. If they are as committed as we're led to believe what kind of size of reserve army will they get to? Is there any reason why it could not be one million? Two million? If you are talking about a war for national survival, is this inconceivable.
They will of course need training and kit.
We must never forget this new crime. It is one for the ages.
No way back for Russian for a generation after this.
I simply rejected the idea we can be without sin, and therefore unable to act at all, causing a greater sin. I don't think that is particularly controversial.
We cannot be perfect, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to be better. We also shouldn't act like a failure to attain perfection is a problem. Hence the stones throwing analogy. Not all sins are equal, some need dealing with, and we cannot ignore them because we are imperfect and in no place to judge.
The criticism here is specifically that the French government own a big stake in Renault and have told them to go on and get cracking again building Ladas.
If you want that piece of music as your national anthem you really hate your country.
"Corbyn would have sent missiles to Ukraine, says Angela Rayner"
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/andrew-marr/corbyn-send-missiles-to-ukraine-angela-rayner/
Which is more than Russian conscripts get.
But I should probably retire from the argument about Corbyn - I'm not sure it should matter any more. Let him cultivate his allotment in peace.
You can't even bring yourself to admit this, just mealy mouthed "it sounds like the French deserve criticism". You want to see equivalence between what French companies are doing in Russia with what UK companies are doing, yet our two major oil and gas companies (BP, Shell) wrote down tens of billions in Russian investments while Total have just continued as normal. Why should Total be allowed to continue to line their pockets and Putin's pockets? What makes them exempt from the western business withdrawal from Russia?
I think you want to see France as some kind of foil for Brexit Britain and therefore are incapable of doing anything as bad as the UK. French companies are contributing to Putin's war effort. There's not a lot more else to it.
Yes, the nasty and unpleasant francophobia on here is pretty vile. That is not to say this move by Renault is not worthy of censure, it clearly is.
I am a most superior person...
And quite reasonable to note that the theology in Jerusalem is ... even being kind ... bollocks.
But does anyone have any evidence that it is banned?
It's very un-CofE to ban anything outright. Far more the sort of thing done in Scotland or by Atheists who both tend to be far more dogmatic about such things.
The last time I knew of it was Colin Slee, as the man with control of Worship at Southwark Cathedral.
Why is anyone in a flap?
You don't believe that.
Thou hast no time, bright day;
Up above the streets and houses,
Rainbow climbing high?
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Mayor of Kyiv, Vitali Klitschko:
“This is the biggest war since World War II. If you think this won’t involve you, you are wrong.”
There is no arguing with the fact, given only two choices, a natural Ukraine under Zelenskyy is far better for the West than annexed Ukraine under Putin, a Corbyn government would also argue, before the war. Much as the same as Germany and France did say to Zelenskyy, before the war, so there would be unity between the three great powers of Europe no less!
Boris meanwhile merely told the Ukrainian’s what they wanted to hear, whilst courting Oligarch money for himself and party, being the shameless cad he is.
Heck, in terms of the numbers involved the Six Day War was larger.
Not to mention the Iran-Iraq war.