The French election looking even more likely to be a 2017 re-run – politicalbetting.com

Farooq said:

Fishing said:

MoonRabbit said:

Cookie said:

MaxPB said:

darkage said:

kle4 said:

Farooq said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

TimT said:

Russian IT brain drain:

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535

No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

"The French are scum."

Clearly, and by definition.

However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

They also have the best national anthem. By miles.

Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world

Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice

I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.

I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.

Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.

The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg

I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.

It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.

EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.

I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.

The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business.
Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.

Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.

CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝

The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?

Surely it's only against British people being slaves?

Farooq said:

malcolmg said:

ydoethur said:

MoonRabbit said:

Cookie said:

MaxPB said:

darkage said:

kle4 said:

Farooq said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

TimT said:

Russian IT brain drain:

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535

No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

"The French are scum."

Clearly, and by definition.

However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

They also have the best national anthem. By miles.

Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world

Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice

I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.

I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.

Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.

The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg

I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.

It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.

EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.

I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.

The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business.
Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.

Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.

CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝

Really? Which ones?

@Farooq
This absolute looney tune Farooq is really barking. Does the idiot know anything or ever read posts , me like the butcher's apron , more than one screw lose with that halfwit for sure coming out with drivel like that. Seriously strange troll.

Beneath that tough and gruff English-hating exterior is a heart bursting with BRITISH pride, malc.

Fishing said:

MoonRabbit said:

Cookie said:

MaxPB said:

darkage said:

kle4 said:

Farooq said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

TimT said:

Russian IT brain drain:

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535

No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

"The French are scum."

Clearly, and by definition.

However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

They also have the best national anthem. By miles.

Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world

Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice

I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.

I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.

Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.

The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg

I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.

It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.

EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.

I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.

The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business.
Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.

Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.

CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝

The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?

Fysics_Teacher said:

ydoethur said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

ydoethur said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

ydoethur said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

darkage said:

kle4 said:

Farooq said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

TimT said:

Russian IT brain drain:

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535

No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

"The French are scum."

Clearly, and by definition.

However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

They also have the best national anthem. By miles.

Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world

Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice

I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.

I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.

Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.

The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg

I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.

It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.

EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.

I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.

Awful scanning: "I-I vow... t'thee my cou-untry..."

Should have got W.S.Gilbert to write the lyrics, at least they'd have scanned (and been funnier). (Ok, so he was dead but a dead WSG would have been better than Sir Cecil Spring Pancake Rice.)

Plus, ridiculous sentiments. "...her shining bounds increase, ...and all her paths are peace" Er, how to those two work ? Empire-building by peace offensive?

Apart from that - great choice.

We should confuse the hell out of everybody and choose Jerusalem the Golden, in its full version (which so clearly confuses England and Heaven in Neale's translation that the first half is almost never sung now).

that aside, it is a grand tune. Far better than Jerusalem which is one of Parry's weaker and less interesting efforts.

If we have to go with Parry at least have something rousing like I Was Glad.

Trying to get your average international crowd to divide themselves into the required two choirs would be a bit of a challenge for those of us not of Welsh blood.

That wouldn't be a problem. After all, it is builded as a city that is at unity in itself.

Eight part harmony (at least: I can't remember if any of the parts in the two choirs divide) is not my idea of unity.

I was quoting the words where it divides...

Given that the city is Jerusalem, that always struck me as overly optimistic.

Anabobazina said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Farooq said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

TimT said:

Russian IT brain drain:

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535

No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

"The French are scum."

Clearly, and by definition.

However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

They also have the best national anthem. By miles.

Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world

Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice

I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.

I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.

Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.

The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg

It is an uninspiring dirge and needs replacement

Agreed. We should use Jerusalem as I believe we already do in the Commonwealth Games?

Benpointer said:

Fishing said:

MoonRabbit said:

Cookie said:

MaxPB said:

darkage said:

kle4 said:

Farooq said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

TimT said:

Russian IT brain drain:

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535

No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

"The French are scum."

Clearly, and by definition.

However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

They also have the best national anthem. By miles.

Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world

Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice

I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.

I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.

Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.

The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg

I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.

It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.

EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.

I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.

The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business.
Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.

Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.

CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝

The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?

Which bit is anti-French?

Anabobazina said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Farooq said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

TimT said:

Russian IT brain drain:

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535

No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

"The French are scum."

Clearly, and by definition.

However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

They also have the best national anthem. By miles.

Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world

Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice

I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.

I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.

Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.

The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg

It is an uninspiring dirge and needs replacement

Agreed. We should use Jerusalem as I believe we already do in the Commonwealth Games?

dixiedean said:

Always Look on the Bright Side of Life should be the National Anthem.

Fishing said:

MoonRabbit said:

Cookie said:

MaxPB said:

darkage said:

kle4 said:

Farooq said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

TimT said:

Russian IT brain drain:

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535

No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

"The French are scum."

Clearly, and by definition.

However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

They also have the best national anthem. By miles.

Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world

Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice

I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.

I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.

Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.

The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg

I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.

It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.

EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.

I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.

The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business.
Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.

Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.

CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝

The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?

Fysics_Teacher said:

Benpointer said:

Fishing said:

MoonRabbit said:

Cookie said:

MaxPB said:

darkage said:

kle4 said:

Farooq said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

TimT said:

Russian IT brain drain:

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535

No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

"The French are scum."

Clearly, and by definition.

However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

They also have the best national anthem. By miles.

Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world

Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice

I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.

I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.

Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.

The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg

I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.

It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.

EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.

I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.

The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business.
Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.

Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.

CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝

The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?

Which bit is anti-French?

The pro-navy and anti-slavery bits obviously...

nico679 said:

Fishing said:

MoonRabbit said:

Cookie said:

MaxPB said:

darkage said:

kle4 said:

Farooq said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

TimT said:

Russian IT brain drain:

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535

No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

"The French are scum."

Clearly, and by definition.

However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

They also have the best national anthem. By miles.

Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world

Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice

I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.

I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.

Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.

The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg

I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.

It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.

EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.

I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.

The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business.
Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.

Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.

CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝

The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?

They certainly need to change the current anthem . Can’t we have a totally new one. Something uplifting.

Theuniondivvie said:

kle4 said:

williamglenn said:

A discussion on Russian state TV about launching a nuclear attack on Poland and opening a corridor to Kaliningrad:

https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1506334785270173702

We could really use Superman to come by and destroy all the world's nukes right now.

There is ALWAYS a (shit) Photoshop.

Theuniondivvie said:

kle4 said:

williamglenn said:

A discussion on Russian state TV about launching a nuclear attack on Poland and opening a corridor to Kaliningrad:

https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1506334785270173702

We could really use Superman to come by and destroy all the world's nukes right now.

There is ALWAYS a (shit) Photoshop.

ydoethur said:

Anabobazina said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Farooq said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

TimT said:

Russian IT brain drain:

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535

No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

"The French are scum."

Clearly, and by definition.

However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

They also have the best national anthem. By miles.

Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world

Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice

I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.

I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.

Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.

The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg

It is an uninspiring dirge and needs replacement

Agreed. We should use Jerusalem as I believe we already do in the Commonwealth Games?

Oh great. One uninspiring dirge replaced with another.

Theuniondivvie said:

kle4 said:

williamglenn said:

A discussion on Russian state TV about launching a nuclear attack on Poland and opening a corridor to Kaliningrad:

https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1506334785270173702

We could really use Superman to come by and destroy all the world's nukes right now.

There is ALWAYS a (shit) Photoshop.

kle4 said:

Foxy said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

Benpointer said:

Fishing said:

MoonRabbit said:

Cookie said:

MaxPB said:

darkage said:

kle4 said:

Farooq said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

TimT said:

Russian IT brain drain:

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535

No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

"The French are scum."

Clearly, and by definition.

However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

They also have the best national anthem. By miles.

Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world

Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice

I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.

I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.

Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.

The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg

I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.

It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.

EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.

I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.

The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business.
Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.

Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.

CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝

The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?

Which bit is anti-French?

The pro-navy and anti-slavery bits obviously...

Not so much anti-slavery as anti-Britons as slaves. Africans as slaves not mentioned.

A bit of creative re-interpretation could see us presume it means all should be treated as honorary Britons for this purpose. People mostly decided slavery and christianity was totally compatible for a very long time, then reinterpreted the same texts to a better end, and US Supreme Court justices are adept at inventing new ideas on what some 18th century men thought about things to suit their current politics, so Im sure we could manage that.

IshmaelZ said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

Benpointer said:

Fishing said:

MoonRabbit said:

Cookie said:

MaxPB said:

darkage said:

kle4 said:

Farooq said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

TimT said:

Russian IT brain drain:

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535

No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

"The French are scum."

Clearly, and by definition.

However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

They also have the best national anthem. By miles.

Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world

Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice

I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.

I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.

Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.

The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg

I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.

It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.

EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.

I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.

The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business.
Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.

Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.

CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝

The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?

Which bit is anti-French?

The pro-navy and anti-slavery bits obviously...

What? the French were fucking amateurs when it came to slavery, though I suppose they can claim some sort of share in Leopold of Belgium, who spoke the language. It was always Portugal first, britain second and the rest also ran.

WhisperingOracle said:

williamglenn said:

A discussion on Russian state TV about launching a nuclear attack on Poland and opening a corridor to Kaliningrad:

https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1506334785270173702

Although a clear overall toning down of the rhetoric on that front today, from Peskov - "Russia would only use nuclear weapons if its very existence were under threat". I think the war has reached a stalemate, and the Russians are under-supplied.

Negotiations are looking the much more likely route out today.

IshmaelZ said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

Benpointer said:

Fishing said:

MoonRabbit said:

Cookie said:

MaxPB said:

darkage said:

kle4 said:

Farooq said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

TimT said:

Russian IT brain drain:

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535

No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

"The French are scum."

Clearly, and by definition.

However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

They also have the best national anthem. By miles.

Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world

Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice

I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.

I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.

Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.

The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg

I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.

It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.

EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.

I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.

The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business.
Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.

Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.

CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝

The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?

Which bit is anti-French?

The pro-navy and anti-slavery bits obviously...

What? the French were fucking amateurs when it came to slavery, though I suppose they can claim some sort of share in Leopold of Belgium, who spoke the language. It was always Portugal first, britain second and the rest also ran.

ydoethur said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

ydoethur said:

Anabobazina said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Farooq said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

TimT said:

Russian IT brain drain:

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535

No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

"The French are scum."

Clearly, and by definition.

However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

They also have the best national anthem. By miles.

Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world

Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice

I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.

I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.

Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.

The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg

It is an uninspiring dirge and needs replacement

Agreed. We should use Jerusalem as I believe we already do in the Commonwealth Games?

Oh great. One uninspiring dirge replaced with another.

Jerusalem is a wonderful song, but it is a solely English anthem.

It really isn't. Terrible piece of music.

Of all the Parry I know - and I know an awful lot of his work one way and another - I'd say it's the one I like least.

MarqueeMark said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

The UK factories response for making NLAWs are going have to start working overtime.

“I don’t think ours have failed. I’ve got the details of ours. We’ve given you over 4,000. We’ve got more coming,” he said. “We’re running out of our own. I speak to Reznikov and text him every day.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/22/uk-anti-tank-weapons-defence-secretary-russian-hoax-call

In any call, all Ministers should stuff Russian hoaxers by constantly referring to the 16,000 Russian dead, the 25,000 injured and the total destruction of the Russian armour.

Then see if that gets played in public....

ydoethur said:

IshmaelZ said:

ydoethur said:

IshmaelZ said:

ydoethur said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

darkage said:

kle4 said:

Farooq said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

TimT said:

Russian IT brain drain:

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535

No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

"The French are scum."

Clearly, and by definition.

However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

They also have the best national anthem. By miles.

Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world

Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice

I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.

I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.

Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.

The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg

I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.

It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.

EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.

I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.

Awful scanning: "I-I vow... t'thee my cou-untry..."

Should have got W.S.Gilbert to write the lyrics, at least they'd have scanned (and been funnier). (Ok, so he was dead but a dead WSG would have been better than Sir Cecil Spring Pancake Rice.)

Plus, ridiculous sentiments. "...her shining bounds increase, ...and all her paths are peace" Er, how to those two work ? Empire-building by peace offensive?

Apart from that - great choice.

We should confuse the hell out of everybody and choose Jerusalem the Golden, in its full version (which so clearly confuses England and Heaven in Neale's translation that the first half is almost never sung now).

that aside, it is a grand tune. Far better than Jerusalem which is one of Parry's weaker and less interesting efforts.

If we have to go with Parry at least have something rousing like I Was Glad.

Jerusalem the golden,
With milk and honey blest,
Beneath thy contemplation
Sink heart and voice oppressed.

And so on for about 20 verses of the sort of paranoid euphoria I associate with class A psychedelics. Strange
poem.

This is the original opening:

For thee, O dear, dear country,
Mine eyes their vigils keep;
For very love, beholding
Thy happy name, they weep;
The mention of thy glory
Is unction to the breast,
And medicine in sickness,
And love, and life, and rest.

O one, O only mansion,
O Paradise of joy!
Where tears are ever banished,
And smiles have no alloy;
The Cross is all thy splendor,
The Crucified thy praise;
His laud and benediction
Thy ransomed people raise.

Thou hast no shore, fair ocean;
Thou hast no time, bright day;
Dear fountain of refreshment
To pilgrims far away!
Upon the Rock of Ages
They raise thy holy tower;
Thine is the victor's laurel,
And thine the golden dower.

O sweet and blessèd country,
The home of God's elect;
O sweet and blessèd country,
That eager hearts expect!
Jesus, in mercy bring us,
To that dear land of rest,
Who art, with God the Father
And Spirit, ever blest.

Thou hast no shore, fair ocean;
Thou hast no time, bright day;

is absolutely a trip report from a dreary subreddit about drugs.

What would the 'fountain of refreshment' stand for in this metaphor?

MoonRabbit said:

kle4 said:

MoonRabbit said:

kle4 said:

MoonRabbit said:

kle4 said:

mwadams said:

MoonRabbit said:

Aslan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

Has @Scott_xP made any comment as I assume he will be embarrassed by this behaviour and call it out

The PB Remoaners are staying quiet. The only voices responding are those condemning this despicable act and the outright Putin apologists engaging in whataboutism.

I’m a Libdem and speaking up. The only way to steer something like this is to reform yourself and lead by example. How squeaking clean and brilliant are we before shouting about everyone else (I agree the French undercutting sanctions and pressure on Putin is disgusting)

The night of the invasion of Ukraine Britains Tory Prime Minister was at a fund raising do shamelessly courting yet more dirty money, the Murdoch press claim.

Maybe the PM can actually make it to PMQs this week and answer these questions for himself rather than hiding from awkward questions? Maybe then we will have a clearer picture how squeaky clean and brilliant our own government is?

Much as I can't stand the Government, that's whataboutery, not speaking up, I'm afraid.

Indeed. We do need to be cleaner, in a lot of ways, but that doesn't prevent commentary on others. Sometimes stones need to be cast before waiting for someone sin free to do it.

But the anti-French stuff has been a bit overblown.

“Sometimes stones need to be cast before waiting for someone sin free to do it“

Are you sure?

Yes, I am sure. Sin free people (and nations) do not exist in the real world. And waiting for a perfect world before addressing a problem would be a greater sin than acting despite having some sin.

Scaled down, that means that you can still criticise others without being perfect yourself, so long as you are aware of your own failings.

What sort of world is that?

The one we live in.

No one is saying we cannot aspire to do better and behave better, but there's a reason 'Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good' is a saying.

A world where sinners throw stones at one another? Where exactly do you draw the line? Do you give more leeway to those who vote the same as you, pray the same as you, belong to the same Nation, less leeway to those who don’t tolerate depictions of their God’s and Prophet’s, or who identify as French?

The only way to change the world for what you regard as better is to reform your own spirit and set the example to follow. 😇

Fysics_Teacher said:

ydoethur said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

ydoethur said:

Anabobazina said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Farooq said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

TimT said:

Russian IT brain drain:

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535

No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

"The French are scum."

Clearly, and by definition.

However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

They also have the best national anthem. By miles.

Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world

Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice

I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.

I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.

Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.

The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg

It is an uninspiring dirge and needs replacement

Agreed. We should use Jerusalem as I believe we already do in the Commonwealth Games?

Oh great. One uninspiring dirge replaced with another.

Jerusalem is a wonderful song, but it is a solely English anthem.

It really isn't. Terrible piece of music.

Of all the Parry I know - and I know an awful lot of his work one way and another - I'd say it's the one I like least.

This one is definitely better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GArUrAWJZsg

IshmaelZ said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

IshmaelZ said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

Benpointer said:

Fishing said:

MoonRabbit said:

Cookie said:

MaxPB said:

darkage said:

kle4 said:

Farooq said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

TimT said:

Russian IT brain drain:

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535

No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

"The French are scum."

Clearly, and by definition.

However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

They also have the best national anthem. By miles.

Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world

Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice

I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.

I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.

Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.

The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg

I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.

It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.

EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.

I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.

The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business.
Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.

Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.

CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝

The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?

Which bit is anti-French?

The pro-navy and anti-slavery bits obviously...

What? the French were fucking amateurs when it came to slavery, though I suppose they can claim some sort of share in Leopold of Belgium, who spoke the language. It was always Portugal first, britain second and the rest also ran.

Napoleon re-introduced slavery after it had been abolished.

That can be restated as, France was the first nation to abolish slavery

FrancisUrquhart said:

Northern_Al said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Northern_Al said:

Putin's played a blinder today. He's managed to get almost all the PB cognoscenti to transfer their wrath and fury from him and his army to Macron and the French. Clever.

In the immortal words of Kenny Everett, "let's bomb Paris". Or something like that.

Are you suggesting Macron is in cahoots with Putin?

No.

I've always found the anti-French rhetoric on PB quite unpleasant, and it's really the only thing that turns me off this forum. I know some of it is in jest, but sadly some of it isn't, and quite a few posters seem to have a vitriolic and irrational dislike of everything and everybody French.

On the specific issue, it sounds like the French deserve criticism. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if, in due course, we discover that several international and multinational companies are still trading or doing some sort of dealings with Russia, including some in the UK. I'll bet there's still UK money washing around in Moscow (as well as Russian money washing around in London), but we may never know as it wouldn't be high profile like Renault.

There are still UK companies still operating in Russia e.g. I believe AZN is still running drug trials there. There are also brands like M&S who have licensing deal with a Turkish company, who then operate in Russia. And there are also supply chain links e.g. the Scottish seed potato producers who have a deal with PepsiCo to provide those to their Russian farmers to grow the spuds for Walkers / Lays in Russia.

The criticism here is specifically that the French government own a big stake in Renault and have told them to go on and get cracking again building Ladas.

Northern_Al said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Northern_Al said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Northern_Al said:

Putin's played a blinder today. He's managed to get almost all the PB cognoscenti to transfer their wrath and fury from him and his army to Macron and the French. Clever.

In the immortal words of Kenny Everett, "let's bomb Paris". Or something like that.

Are you suggesting Macron is in cahoots with Putin?

No.

I've always found the anti-French rhetoric on PB quite unpleasant, and it's really the only thing that turns me off this forum. I know some of it is in jest, but sadly some of it isn't, and quite a few posters seem to have a vitriolic and irrational dislike of everything and everybody French.

On the specific issue, it sounds like the French deserve criticism. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if, in due course, we discover that several international and multinational companies are still trading or doing some sort of dealings with Russia, including some in the UK. I'll bet there's still UK money washing around in Moscow (as well as Russian money washing around in London), but we may never know as it wouldn't be high profile like Renault.

There are still UK companies still operating in Russia e.g. I believe AZN is still running drug trials there. There are also brands like M&S who have licensing deal with a Turkish company, who then operate in Russia. And there are also supply chain links e.g. the Scottish seed potato producers who have a deal with PepsiCo to provide those to their Russian farmers to grow the spuds for Walkers / Lays in Russia.

The criticism here is specifically that the French government own a big stake in Renault and have told them to go on and get cracking again building Ladas.

Which is why I wrote the following words: On the specific issue, it sounds like the French deserve criticism.

Northern_Al said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Northern_Al said:

Putin's played a blinder today. He's managed to get almost all the PB cognoscenti to transfer their wrath and fury from him and his army to Macron and the French. Clever.

In the immortal words of Kenny Everett, "let's bomb Paris". Or something like that.

Are you suggesting Macron is in cahoots with Putin?

No.

I've always found the anti-French rhetoric on PB quite unpleasant, and it's really the only thing that turns me off this forum. I know some of it is in jest, but sadly some of it isn't, and quite a few posters seem to have a vitriolic and irrational dislike of everything and everybody French.

On the specific issue, it sounds like the French deserve criticism. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if, in due course, we discover that several international and multinational companies are still trading or doing some sort of dealings with Russia, including some in the UK. I'll bet there's still UK money washing around in Moscow (as well as Russian money washing around in London), but we may never know as it wouldn't be high profile like Renault.

ydoethur said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

ydoethur said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

ydoethur said:

Anabobazina said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Farooq said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

TimT said:

Russian IT brain drain:

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535

No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

"The French are scum."

Clearly, and by definition.

However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

They also have the best national anthem. By miles.

Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world

Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice

I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.

I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.

Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.

The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg

It is an uninspiring dirge and needs replacement

Agreed. We should use Jerusalem as I believe we already do in the Commonwealth Games?

Oh great. One uninspiring dirge replaced with another.

Jerusalem is a wonderful song, but it is a solely English anthem.

It really isn't. Terrible piece of music.

Of all the Parry I know - and I know an awful lot of his work one way and another - I'd say it's the one I like least.

This one is definitely better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GArUrAWJZsg

Yes, but that's not only in eight parts but unaccompanied. If you think an English crowd would find I was Glad hard work...

BlancheLivermore said:

Does anyone believe Ange?

"Corbyn would have sent missiles to Ukraine, says Angela Rayner"
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/andrew-marr/corbyn-send-missiles-to-ukraine-angela-rayner/

Fysics_Teacher said:

test

ydoethur said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

ydoethur said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

ydoethur said:

Anabobazina said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Farooq said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

TimT said:

Russian IT brain drain:

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535

No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

"The French are scum."

Clearly, and by definition.

However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

They also have the best national anthem. By miles.

Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world

Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice

I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.

I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.

Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.

The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg

It is an uninspiring dirge and needs replacement

Agreed. We should use Jerusalem as I believe we already do in the Commonwealth Games?

Oh great. One uninspiring dirge replaced with another.

Jerusalem is a wonderful song, but it is a solely English anthem.

It really isn't. Terrible piece of music.

Of all the Parry I know - and I know an awful lot of his work one way and another - I'd say it's the one I like least.

This one is definitely better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GArUrAWJZsg

Yes, but that's not only in eight parts but unaccompanied. If you think an English crowd would find I was Glad hard work...

How about this then? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoAbXwr3qkg

BlancheLivermore said:

Does anyone believe Ange?

"Corbyn would have sent missiles to Ukraine, says Angela Rayner"
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/andrew-marr/corbyn-send-missiles-to-ukraine-angela-rayner/

Northern_Al said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Northern_Al said:

Putin's played a blinder today. He's managed to get almost all the PB cognoscenti to transfer their wrath and fury from him and his army to Macron and the French. Clever.

In the immortal words of Kenny Everett, "let's bomb Paris". Or something like that.

Are you suggesting Macron is in cahoots with Putin?

No.

I've always found the anti-French rhetoric on PB quite unpleasant, and it's really the only thing that turns me off this forum. I know some of it is in jest, but sadly some of it isn't, and quite a few posters seem to have a vitriolic and irrational dislike of everything and everybody French.

On the specific issue, it sounds like the French deserve criticism. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if, in due course, we discover that several international and multinational companies are still trading or doing some sort of dealings with Russia, including some in the UK. I'll bet there's still UK money washing around in Moscow (as well as Russian money washing around in London), but we may never know as it wouldn't be high profile like Renault.

Northern_Al said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Northern_Al said:

Putin's played a blinder today. He's managed to get almost all the PB cognoscenti to transfer their wrath and fury from him and his army to Macron and the French. Clever.

In the immortal words of Kenny Everett, "let's bomb Paris". Or something like that.

Are you suggesting Macron is in cahoots with Putin?

No.

I've always found the anti-French rhetoric on PB quite unpleasant, and it's really the only thing that turns me off this forum. I know some of it is in jest, but sadly some of it isn't, and quite a few posters seem to have a vitriolic and irrational dislike of everything and everybody French.

On the specific issue, it sounds like the French deserve criticism. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if, in due course, we discover that several international and multinational companies are still trading or doing some sort of dealings with Russia, including some in the UK. I'll bet there's still UK money washing around in Moscow (as well as Russian money washing around in London), but we may never know as it wouldn't be high profile like Renault.

BlancheLivermore said:

Does anyone believe Ange?

"Corbyn would have sent missiles to Ukraine, says Angela Rayner"
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/andrew-marr/corbyn-send-missiles-to-ukraine-angela-rayner/

Fishing said:

MoonRabbit said:

Cookie said:

MaxPB said:

darkage said:

kle4 said:

Farooq said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

TimT said:

Russian IT brain drain:

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535

No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.

Aslan said:

Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

"The French are scum."

Clearly, and by definition.

However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

They also have the best national anthem. By miles.

Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world

Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice

I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.

I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.

Yes, it's a truly rousing anthem. I wish ours was less boring, I think it's part of the reason we're shit at sport. Other teams have great national anthems to really get them going before a match, we have the world's dullest anthem.

The English/British anthem is utter shit. I can only think of two people on here who would possibly feel any pride when hearing it: @HYUFD and @malcolmg

I think it's fine. It's often played too slowly, but it is simple and straightforward to belt out, which is handy, even if it is certainly not as rousing or exciting as many others.

It will never happen, but "I vow to thee my country" by Gustav Holst would be a far better national anthem.

EDIT - I see some others have suggested the same.

I don't actually think it would be in the running as the CoE says it is heretical, placing the love of the nation above the love for God. Still a great song and before football matches it would get the team and crowd going.

The CofE can, quite frankly, fuck right off. None of their business.
Anyway, I prefer Jerusalem. Though obviously that is English not British.

Putting God’s teaching and wisdom before nation is exactly their business.

CoE don’t like Jerusalem too, it’s banned from the hymnal’s 😝

The national anthem should be Rule Britannia. It is anti-French, pro-Navy and anti-slavery. What's not to like?

NickPalmer said:

BlancheLivermore said:

Does anyone believe Ange?

"Corbyn would have sent missiles to Ukraine, says Angela Rayner"
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/andrew-marr/corbyn-send-missiles-to-ukraine-angela-rayner/

I do. He has one defining belief, anti-imperialism. He will see Russia's war as czarism, pure and simple - one of the reasons for the Russian Revolution was to stop the war ("Bread and peace"). It's a right-wing myth that left-wingers (except George Galloway and a few similar contrarians) are fond of Putin. Putin has got us all on more or less the same side in opposition - we may argue about NATO's role pre-war, but really that's dwarfed by what's happening now.

But I should probably retire from the argument about Corbyn - I'm not sure it should matter any more. Let him cultivate his allotment in peace.