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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,460

    kle4 said:

    Is this a Russian bot seeking to divide Britain?




    The bots have to find some real idiots to mimic.
    She forgot to explain it wasn’t the British government illegally imprisoning her, but the Iranians holding her as hostage as leverage for payment in a business venture they felt they were due - like something straight out 1001 and 1 nights!

    Following on from other day, I’m still more than happy to say this wasn’t a legitimate debt, a debt with a previous government over thrown by terrorist means? You calling that a legitimate debt with the new regimes as bad as this one? Are you calling the US wrong for saying UK dumbass for paying hostage demands, bunging the bad boys the money that only makes them worse?

    If you are saying we definitely need Iranian oil deals, I’ve yet to be convinced. Thinking this crisis forward, we would rather buy post Putin Russian oil than Iranian would we not? Say, like Mandela was released and formed government, Navalny was released post Putin, and with Solidarnost and Yashin formed government, we would be mad to have a Cold War with them? mad not to flood them with business and wealth to make them a success? we need to think ahead and keep our options open, not tie ourselves down too much in this moment?
    The Americans said similar after the French Revolution. They refused to pay any more of the debts incurred for French support in their own Revolution on the basis they were owed personally to Louis XVI.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,372
    TimT said:
    I wonder where they are relocating to?
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    AslanAslan Posts: 1,673
    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    Does the French company have control over the Russian arm?
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328

    TimT said:
    I wonder where they are relocating to?
    The tweet does not say. some mention Sofia (known for software and probably the most Russian-like of the EU countries)
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,372
    edited March 2022
    In comparison, the French, happy to let trash the AZN vaccine, block exports of other vaccines and vital PPE to the UK and disrupt cross channel ferries food supplies during COVID.....
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    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    Has @Scott_xP made any comment as I assume he will be embarrassed by this behaviour and call it out
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,745

    I've stopped buying Alpro soya milk as I believe it is a Nestle brand.

    Sticking to Lidl's own brand now.

    The mighty Lidl announced only last October plans to expand into Ukraine. Let's hope one day it happens.

    BTW their oat milk is pretty decent as an alternative to Alpro too.

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    ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    edited March 2022
    The Lords (as predicted) has not insisted on its wrecking amendment. Ping-pong is now over - DACOP has cleared Parliament and goes for Royal Assent, at which point FTPA is consigned to history.

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    AslanAslan Posts: 1,673

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    Has @Scott_xP made any comment as I assume he will be embarrassed by this behaviour and call it out
    The PB Remoaners are staying quiet. The only voices responding are those condemning this despicable act and the outright Putin apologists engaging in whataboutism.
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,690
    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    Is this a Russian bot seeking to divide Britain?




    The bots have to find some real idiots to mimic.
    She forgot to explain it wasn’t the British government illegally imprisoning her, but the Iranians holding her as hostage as leverage for payment in a business venture they felt they were due - like something straight out 1001 and 1 nights!

    Following on from other day, I’m still more than happy to say this wasn’t a legitimate debt, a debt with a previous government over thrown by terrorist means? You calling that a legitimate debt with the new regimes as bad as this one? Are you calling the US wrong for saying UK dumbass for paying hostage demands, bunging the bad boys the money that only makes them worse?

    If you are saying we definitely need Iranian oil deals, I’ve yet to be convinced. Thinking this crisis forward, we would rather buy post Putin Russian oil than Iranian would we not? Say, like Mandela was released and formed government, Navalny was released post Putin, and with Solidarnost and Yashin formed government, we would be mad to have a Cold War with them? mad not to flood them with business and wealth to make them a success? we need to think ahead and keep our options open, not tie ourselves down too much in this moment?
    The Americans said similar after the French Revolution. They refused to pay any more of the debts incurred for French support in their own Revolution on the basis they were owed personally to Louis XVI.
    Fair enough isn’t it? Look at it logically, they strike a deal with Boris democratically elected government, the military revolt funded by France, shoot Boris and the Tories and install Dianne Abbott. Whose your deal with? And why should 40 years make a damn difference to the logic and principles at stake here?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,372
    edited March 2022
    TimT said:

    TimT said:
    I wonder where they are relocating to?
    The tweet does not say. some mention Sofia (known for software and probably the most Russian-like of the EU countries)
    Can Russian citizens just relocate there without complicated visa process etc?
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    AslanAslan Posts: 1,673

    In comparison, the French, happy to let trash the AZN vaccine, block exports of other vaccines and vital PPE to the UK and disrupt cross channel ferries food supplies during COVID.....

    Remember that the French government continued to arm Hutu genocidaires even while they knew the Rwandan genocide was ongoing. France is an awful immoral country and should be called out.
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    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    Has @Scott_xP made any comment as I assume he will be embarrassed by this behaviour and call it out
    The PB Remoaners are staying quiet. The only voices responding are those condemning this despicable act and the outright Putin apologists engaging in whataboutism.
    Also where is @Roger condemning this ?
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,839
    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,372

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    Has @Scott_xP made any comment as I assume he will be embarrassed by this behaviour and call it out
    The PB Remoaners are staying quiet. The only voices responding are those condemning this despicable act and the outright Putin apologists engaging in whataboutism.
    Also where is @Roger condemning this ?
    Patronising the Russian Oligarch owned hotel in the South of France?
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,853
    TimT said:
    No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.
    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    "The French are scum."

    Clearly, and by definition.

    However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

    They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,338
    It seems that Russia has been using expensive missiles designed to attack ships against Kyiv.

    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1506005447106613251
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,372
    edited March 2022
    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    The reports are that it isn't just one (rogue immoral) company and it is being authorised directly by the French government.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,302

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    Does the French company have control over the Russian arm?
    Probably.

    But it will vary by industry.

    In strategic industries - like energy - the Russian board will be full of political appointees, and the local board will probably announce that things will continue as normal, even if they will not. That's been one of the reasons why BP/Exxon just dissacociated themselves completely from their investments, because they realised they had no control over them.

    For a retailer, I imagine it's different. It isn't strategic, the directors will not be political appointees, and the Russian government won't have leaned on them. They are being nakedly greedy and generally evil.
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    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    Sounds like an attempt to excuse France's sanction busting

    How about calling them out
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,431
    edited March 2022

    MaxPB said:

    Time for everyone to set fire to their nearest Renault.

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Time for everyone to set fire to their nearest Renault.

    Actually a few big fat “Z”s painted on Renaults might make the point quite well

    French companies are not going to be popular in Eastern Europe
    I am not sure this site was set up to incite arson and vandalism.
    Honestly, a bunch of PB blowhards who wouldn’t say boo to a very small goose in real life inciting others to Molotov Meganes is the best entertainment you’re going to get for free today.
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    Omnium said:

    TimT said:
    No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.
    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    "The French are scum."

    Clearly, and by definition.

    However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

    They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
    Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    Aslan said:

    In comparison, the French, happy to let trash the AZN vaccine, block exports of other vaccines and vital PPE to the UK and disrupt cross channel ferries food supplies during COVID.....

    Remember that the French government continued to arm Hutu genocidaires even while they knew the Rwandan genocide was ongoing. France is an awful immoral country and should be called out.
    Really!!?? I did not know that, but very sad and agree is correct, do you mind be asking, if there is unambituses evidence, I would not like to repeat an allegation without knowing its varsity.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,302

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    Sounds like an attempt to excuse France's sanction busting

    How about calling them out
    We should call them out, but this isn't technically sanctions busting. If French companies were exporting prohibited goods to Russia, that would be sanctions busting. But local subsidiaries operating in Russia are not bound by any sanctions.
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,690
    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    Has @Scott_xP made any comment as I assume he will be embarrassed by this behaviour and call it out
    The PB Remoaners are staying quiet. The only voices responding are those condemning this despicable act and the outright Putin apologists engaging in whataboutism.
    I’m a Libdem and speaking up. The only way to steer something like this is to reform yourself and lead by example. How squeaking clean and brilliant are we before shouting about everyone else (I agree the French undercutting sanctions and pressure on Putin is disgusting)

    The night of the invasion of Ukraine Britains Tory Prime Minister was at a fund raising do shamelessly courting yet more dirty money, the Murdoch press claim.

    Maybe the PM can actually make it to PMQs this week and answer these questions for himself rather than hiding from awkward questions? Maybe then we will have a clearer picture how squeaky clean and brilliant our own government is?
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,839

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    Sounds like an attempt to excuse France's sanction busting

    How about calling them out
    Ok sure

    I HEREBY CALL OUT EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE OF FRANCE, ITS OVERSEAS TERRITORIES, INCLUDING ALL THOSE WHO HAVE DIED AND ALL THOSE YET TO BE BORN.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,302

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    The reports are that it isn't just one (rogue immoral) company and it is being authorised directly by the French government.
    While that's clearly true of Renault, I very much doubt a midsized French retailer has been "given the nod" by the French government.
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    rcs1000 said:

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    Sounds like an attempt to excuse France's sanction busting

    How about calling them out
    We should call them out, but this isn't technically sanctions busting. If French companies were exporting prohibited goods to Russia, that would be sanctions busting. But local subsidiaries operating in Russia are not bound by any sanctions.
    Fair comment but it is how it will be perceived
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 20,281

    UK R

    @Malmesbury's annoying graphics removed

    You work really hard on these – for which I'm thankful – I have found them useful. But do we think there will come a time soon when they will become background noise? Maybe weekly govt updates rather than daily? I rarely examine them these days.
    Deaths will probably start going up soon. The noise from iSage will rise in volume.
    This wavelets will continue forever. Are we still supposed to be paying attention to iSage, oSage or any other Sage? We have vaccines, we have boosters, what more can we do but get on with living our lives? Pagel herself caught covid despite apparently never leaving her house!
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,890
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    Sounds like an attempt to excuse France's sanction busting

    How about calling them out
    Ok sure

    I HEREBY CALL OUT EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE OF FRANCE, ITS OVERSEAS TERRITORIES, INCLUDING ALL THOSE WHO HAVE DIED AND ALL THOSE YET TO BE BORN.
    Pathetic.

    Big G won’t be happy unless you specifically call for their fleet to be scuttled.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,853

    Omnium said:

    TimT said:
    No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.
    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    "The French are scum."

    Clearly, and by definition.

    However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

    They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
    Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
    Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


    I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice :)
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,302

    rcs1000 said:

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    Sounds like an attempt to excuse France's sanction busting

    How about calling them out
    We should call them out, but this isn't technically sanctions busting. If French companies were exporting prohibited goods to Russia, that would be sanctions busting. But local subsidiaries operating in Russia are not bound by any sanctions.
    Fair comment but it is how it will be perceived
    FWIW, I think the French government has made a terrible error with Renault. They should have been clear that they would not restart production because it would be against the spirit of the sanctions.

    It is especially pointless, because AutoVAZ is unlikely to actually produce much once it has run through its existing inventory, as it will (like most Russian industry) be heavily dependent on imported components - almost all of which will have sanctions on them.
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,690
    rcs1000 said:

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    The reports are that it isn't just one (rogue immoral) company and it is being authorised directly by the French government.
    While that's clearly true of Renault, I very much doubt a midsized French retailer has been "given the nod" by the French government.
    As you are here Robert, I’ve got a Bob shaped question.

    The FT quote 2.4 today, the US claim in the balancing point for interest rates controlling inflation without hurting growth. Is this level just regards US economy, or something similar apply to UK too?
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    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    Sounds like an attempt to excuse France's sanction busting

    How about calling them out
    Ok sure

    I HEREBY CALL OUT EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE OF FRANCE, ITS OVERSEAS TERRITORIES, INCLUDING ALL THOSE WHO HAVE DIED AND ALL THOSE YET TO BE BORN.
    Pathetic.

    Big G won’t be happy unless you specifically call for their fleet to be scuttled.
    Are you content with France's behaviour?
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:

    https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841

    LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.

    Inhumane, harrowing greed.


    image

    Even as Leroy Merlin’s store in Kyiv was bombed by the Russians, killing an employee

    The shamelessness is astounding

    Imagine if Marks and Sparks decided to expand trade in Russia even as its Kharkiv branch was shelled, slaughtering a cashier

    Goes to show the spinelessness of French media and social media as well. No british company doing this would survive the outrage
    What on earth is going on with France and sanction busting ?
    Personally I won't be buying French fries, French bread or French letters until Putin has been deposed.
    But will you still be using your French windows now spring is here?
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,839

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    Sounds like an attempt to excuse France's sanction busting

    How about calling them out
    Ok sure

    I HEREBY CALL OUT EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE OF FRANCE, ITS OVERSEAS TERRITORIES, INCLUDING ALL THOSE WHO HAVE DIED AND ALL THOSE YET TO BE BORN.
    Pathetic.

    Big G won’t be happy unless you specifically call for their fleet to be scuttled.
    You call that a fleet? I CALL IT A RUSTY PEUGEOT UPSIDE-DOWN IN THE GARONNE.
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    TimT said:
    70,000 programmers seams a lot, I thought only 2-300,000 had left total, I get that programmers may be amongst the first to leave, they will all have VPNs and know what's really going on, and have skills in demand in the west, but still could a quarter of the people who have left be Programmers?
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    PensfoldPensfold Posts: 191
    rcs1000 said:

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    The reports are that it isn't just one (rogue immoral) company and it is being authorised directly by the French government.
    While that's clearly true of Renault, I very much doubt a midsized French retailer has been "given the nod" by the French government.
    Danone was classified as a company necessary for national security by the French to stop it being a takeover candidate a few years back. Danone probably breaking sanctions to get products to its subsidiary in Russia on a barter scheme to avoid bank cash.
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    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    Sounds like an attempt to excuse France's sanction busting

    How about calling them out
    Ok sure

    I HEREBY CALL OUT EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE OF FRANCE, ITS OVERSEAS TERRITORIES, INCLUDING ALL THOSE WHO HAVE DIED AND ALL THOSE YET TO BE BORN.
    Shouting response gives the impression you are simply trying to deflect from the subject
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,992
    TimT said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:

    https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841

    LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.

    Inhumane, harrowing greed.


    image

    Even as Leroy Merlin’s store in Kyiv was bombed by the Russians, killing an employee

    The shamelessness is astounding

    Imagine if Marks and Sparks decided to expand trade in Russia even as its Kharkiv branch was shelled, slaughtering a cashier

    Goes to show the spinelessness of French media and social media as well. No british company doing this would survive the outrage
    What on earth is going on with France and sanction busting ?
    Personally I won't be buying French fries, French bread or French letters until Putin has been deposed.
    But will you still be using your French windows now spring is here?
    Ah. French Widows in every room ...
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,182
    TimT said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:

    https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841

    LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.

    Inhumane, harrowing greed.


    image

    Even as Leroy Merlin’s store in Kyiv was bombed by the Russians, killing an employee

    The shamelessness is astounding

    Imagine if Marks and Sparks decided to expand trade in Russia even as its Kharkiv branch was shelled, slaughtering a cashier

    Goes to show the spinelessness of French media and social media as well. No british company doing this would survive the outrage
    What on earth is going on with France and sanction busting ?
    Personally I won't be buying French fries, French bread or French letters until Putin has been deposed.
    But will you still be using your French windows now spring is here?
    He doesn't have a French bulldog anyway, so you needn't worry about that.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,890

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    Sounds like an attempt to excuse France's sanction busting

    How about calling them out
    Ok sure

    I HEREBY CALL OUT EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE OF FRANCE, ITS OVERSEAS TERRITORIES, INCLUDING ALL THOSE WHO HAVE DIED AND ALL THOSE YET TO BE BORN.
    Pathetic.

    Big G won’t be happy unless you specifically call for their fleet to be scuttled.
    Are you content with France's behaviour?
    I complained about it earlier, Big G.

    I know you’re positively priapic to turn this into another Brexit proxy but I’m afraid I won’t help your witch-hunt.
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    PensfoldPensfold Posts: 191
    Pensfold said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    The reports are that it isn't just one (rogue immoral) company and it is being authorised directly by the French government.
    While that's clearly true of Renault, I very much doubt a midsized French retailer has been "given the nod" by the French government.
    Danone was classified as a company necessary for national security by the French to stop it being a takeover candidate a few years back. Danone probably breaking sanctions to get products to its subsidiary in Russia on a barter scheme to avoid bank cash.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNWs7FqWUAA9vHA?format=jpg&name=small
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,839

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    Sounds like an attempt to excuse France's sanction busting

    How about calling them out
    Ok sure

    I HEREBY CALL OUT EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE OF FRANCE, ITS OVERSEAS TERRITORIES, INCLUDING ALL THOSE WHO HAVE DIED AND ALL THOSE YET TO BE BORN.
    Shouting response gives the impression you are simply trying to deflect from the subject
    Oh sorry, was I meant to treat "the French are scum" as a serious conversation? Right-o, I'll try harder.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,302
    Pensfold said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    The reports are that it isn't just one (rogue immoral) company and it is being authorised directly by the French government.
    While that's clearly true of Renault, I very much doubt a midsized French retailer has been "given the nod" by the French government.
    Danone was classified as a company necessary for national security by the French to stop it being a takeover candidate a few years back. Danone probably breaking sanctions to get products to its subsidiary in Russia on a barter scheme to avoid bank cash.
    Danone is defintely a big company, and their actions would be de facto sanctioned by the French state.

    But you're making quite a leap: what does Danone produce in Russia? How dependent is it on imported inputs? The largest part of Danone's production - IIRC - is milk based products, which spoil easily, so are you sure they're sanctions busting?

    Plus sanctions busting to Russia is also harder than you might think: there is essentially zero border flow of trucks into Russia right now, and if you look at the live shipping data, there are virtually no container ships heading to Russia from countries other than China.

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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    TimT said:


    Leon said:

    French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:

    https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841

    LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.

    Inhumane, harrowing greed.


    image

    Even as Leroy Merlin’s store in Kyiv was bombed by the Russians, killing an employee

    The shamelessness is astounding

    Imagine if Marks and Sparks decided to expand trade in Russia even as its Kharkiv branch was shelled, slaughtering a cashier

    Goes to show the spinelessness of French media and social media as well. No british company doing this would survive the outrage
    What on earth is going on with France and sanction busting ?
    French foreign policy has long been transactional and financially oriented - why are you surprised?
    So much for EU solidarity
    Hungary also firmly against sanctioning Russian energy exports and all Polish ideas on NFZs and other military assistance to Ukraine.
    Hungary, has an election coming up, do we know if there might be more anti Russian party/government elected?
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,966
    edited March 2022

    UK R

    @Malmesbury's annoying graphics removed

    You work really hard on these – for which I'm thankful – I have found them useful. But do we think there will come a time soon when they will become background noise? Maybe weekly govt updates rather than daily? I rarely examine them these days.
    Deaths will probably start going up soon. The noise from iSage will rise in volume.
    This wavelets will continue forever. Are we still supposed to be paying attention to iSage, oSage or any other Sage? We have vaccines, we have boosters, what more can we do but get on with living our lives? Pagel herself caught covid despite apparently never leaving her house!
    It never fails to amuse.

    Bit like fishing a small barrel with one of these

    image
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,976

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    An Italian magazine is alleging that this is a coordinated French government decision. Do not stop business in Russia

    Total, Auchan, Decathlon and multiple other French companies are ignoring the sanctions. Not just Renault

    The French never go too long without giving you a reason to despise them

    The UK should sanction any company that continues to do business in Russia.

    Edit: that would be a Brexit benefit I could actually get behind.
    Yup, Renault should be given the choice of continuing their sales in Russia or their sales in the UK (and US). UK companies have taken yes of billions in write downs to do the right thing after state pressure. The French are so predictably treacherous.
    To avoid succour to the general Francophobia, even if warranted in this case, I’d point out that there are also British companies still trading.

    They too should be sanctioned.
    I've worked many times for Renault with agencies from France Spain and Italy and a corporate ad for Nestle in Switzerland and ads for Nestle products in just about every country in Europe and beyond. There is often an ethos which runs through a company irrespective of the agency or country that is making the ad which makes them a pleasure to work with. Renault and Nestle are two such companies.

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,372
    edited March 2022
    Roger said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    An Italian magazine is alleging that this is a coordinated French government decision. Do not stop business in Russia

    Total, Auchan, Decathlon and multiple other French companies are ignoring the sanctions. Not just Renault

    The French never go too long without giving you a reason to despise them

    The UK should sanction any company that continues to do business in Russia.

    Edit: that would be a Brexit benefit I could actually get behind.
    Yup, Renault should be given the choice of continuing their sales in Russia or their sales in the UK (and US). UK companies have taken yes of billions in write downs to do the right thing after state pressure. The French are so predictably treacherous.
    To avoid succour to the general Francophobia, even if warranted in this case, I’d point out that there are also British companies still trading.

    They too should be sanctioned.
    I've worked many times for Renault with agencies from France Spain and Italy and a corporate ad for Nestle in Switzerland and ads for Nestle products in just about every country in Europe and beyond. There is often an ethos which runs through a company irrespective of the agency or country that is making the ad which makes them a pleasure to work with. Renault and Nestle are two such companies.

    That's ok then. They say nice things to you about your crappy ads.

    Nestle in particular has long been a problematic company for many on the left due to some appalling behaviour, especially in developing countries.
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    MattW said:

    TimT said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:

    https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841

    LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.

    Inhumane, harrowing greed.


    image

    Even as Leroy Merlin’s store in Kyiv was bombed by the Russians, killing an employee

    The shamelessness is astounding

    Imagine if Marks and Sparks decided to expand trade in Russia even as its Kharkiv branch was shelled, slaughtering a cashier

    Goes to show the spinelessness of French media and social media as well. No british company doing this would survive the outrage
    What on earth is going on with France and sanction busting ?
    Personally I won't be buying French fries, French bread or French letters until Putin has been deposed.
    But will you still be using your French windows now spring is here?
    Ah. French Widows in every room ...
    A man who knows his Gerard Hoffnung.
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    PensfoldPensfold Posts: 191
    Just had my second booster on Day One of the new programme.

    If over 75 the you can book a second booster 3 months after your first booster. But in theory you should not have the actual jab until six months after the first booster. 5 months in my case.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,302
    As an aside, the two French companies that are most invested in Russia and which would have the biggest impact on the Russian economy are Schlumberger (which is French/American and is the largest oil services company in the World) and Total (which is highly involved in Russian natural gas extraction).
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,684

    MaxPB said:

    Time for everyone to set fire to their nearest Renault.

    You first.
    Pics required or permanent internet teeny tot status conferred.
    I was channeling my inner French rioter tbh.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,604
    edited March 2022

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    Sounds like an attempt to excuse France's sanction busting

    How about calling them out
    Ok sure

    I HEREBY CALL OUT EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE OF FRANCE, ITS OVERSEAS TERRITORIES, INCLUDING ALL THOSE WHO HAVE DIED AND ALL THOSE YET TO BE BORN.
    Shouting response gives the impression you are simply trying to deflect from the subject
    How would you react Big G if you were told that PB poster @******* worked for Renault or any French company. How long would you tolerate them not resigning from their employment.
    .
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    mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,158

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    Has @Scott_xP made any comment as I assume he will be embarrassed by this behaviour and call it out
    The PB Remoaners are staying quiet. The only voices responding are those condemning this despicable act and the outright Putin apologists engaging in whataboutism.
    I’m a Libdem and speaking up. The only way to steer something like this is to reform yourself and lead by example. How squeaking clean and brilliant are we before shouting about everyone else (I agree the French undercutting sanctions and pressure on Putin is disgusting)

    The night of the invasion of Ukraine Britains Tory Prime Minister was at a fund raising do shamelessly courting yet more dirty money, the Murdoch press claim.

    Maybe the PM can actually make it to PMQs this week and answer these questions for himself rather than hiding from awkward questions? Maybe then we will have a clearer picture how squeaky clean and brilliant our own government is?
    Much as I can't stand the Government, that's whataboutery, not speaking up, I'm afraid.
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    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    Sounds like an attempt to excuse France's sanction busting

    How about calling them out
    Ok sure

    I HEREBY CALL OUT EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE OF FRANCE, ITS OVERSEAS TERRITORIES, INCLUDING ALL THOSE WHO HAVE DIED AND ALL THOSE YET TO BE BORN.
    Shouting response gives the impression you are simply trying to deflect from the subject
    Oh sorry, was I meant to treat "the French are scum" as a serious conversation? Right-o, I'll try harder.
    Assisting the murderous Putin's economy is inexcusable
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,853
    Roger said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    An Italian magazine is alleging that this is a coordinated French government decision. Do not stop business in Russia

    Total, Auchan, Decathlon and multiple other French companies are ignoring the sanctions. Not just Renault

    The French never go too long without giving you a reason to despise them

    The UK should sanction any company that continues to do business in Russia.

    Edit: that would be a Brexit benefit I could actually get behind.
    Yup, Renault should be given the choice of continuing their sales in Russia or their sales in the UK (and US). UK companies have taken yes of billions in write downs to do the right thing after state pressure. The French are so predictably treacherous.
    To avoid succour to the general Francophobia, even if warranted in this case, I’d point out that there are also British companies still trading.

    They too should be sanctioned.
    I've worked many times for Renault with agencies from France Spain and Italy and a corporate ad for Nestle in Switzerland and ads for Nestle products in just about every country in Europe and beyond. There is often an ethos which runs through a company irrespective of the agency or country that is making the ad which makes them a pleasure to work with. Renault and Nestle are two such companies.

    Yes. And also Renault have such a long marvellous tradition of this. They collaborated with the Nazis in the 1940s during Vichy.
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    TOPPING said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    Sounds like an attempt to excuse France's sanction busting

    How about calling them out
    Ok sure

    I HEREBY CALL OUT EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE OF FRANCE, ITS OVERSEAS TERRITORIES, INCLUDING ALL THOSE WHO HAVE DIED AND ALL THOSE YET TO BE BORN.
    Shouting response gives the impression you are simply trying to deflect from the subject
    How would you react Big G if you were told that PB poster @******* worked for Renault or any French company. How long would you tolerate them not resigning from their employment.
    .
    Big G is happy to play the victim when it suits but is a massive hypocrite otherwise.
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    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    An Italian magazine is alleging that this is a coordinated French government decision. Do not stop business in Russia

    Total, Auchan, Decathlon and multiple other French companies are ignoring the sanctions. Not just Renault

    The French never go too long without giving you a reason to despise them

    The UK should sanction any company that continues to do business in Russia.

    Edit: that would be a Brexit benefit I could actually get behind.
    Yup, Renault should be given the choice of continuing their sales in Russia or their sales in the UK (and US). UK companies have taken yes of billions in write downs to do the right thing after state pressure. The French are so predictably treacherous.
    To avoid succour to the general Francophobia, even if warranted in this case, I’d point out that there are also British companies still trading.

    They too should be sanctioned.
    I've worked many times for Renault with agencies from France Spain and Italy and a corporate ad for Nestle in Switzerland and ads for Nestle products in just about every country in Europe and beyond. There is often an ethos which runs through a company irrespective of the agency or country that is making the ad which makes them a pleasure to work with. Renault and Nestle are two such companies.

    Yes. And also Renault have such a long marvellous tradition of this. They collaborated with the Nazis in the 1940s during Vichy.
    So did the Daily Mail, what is your point
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,966
    BigRich said:

    Aslan said:

    In comparison, the French, happy to let trash the AZN vaccine, block exports of other vaccines and vital PPE to the UK and disrupt cross channel ferries food supplies during COVID.....

    Remember that the French government continued to arm Hutu genocidaires even while they knew the Rwandan genocide was ongoing. France is an awful immoral country and should be called out.
    Really!!?? I did not know that, but very sad and agree is correct, do you mind be asking, if there is unambituses evidence, I would not like to repeat an allegation without knowing its varsity.
    It's a complicated subject - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_and_the_Rwandan_genocide#French_Parliamentary_Commission_on_Rwanda

    The government of Rwanda at the time was seen as a French ally, by some in the French establishment, and the rebels as opponents.

    The new Government of Rwanda, for example, replaced French with English as the foreign language taught as the second language. They are generally seen as moderately anti-French.
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,405
    edited March 2022
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    TimT said:
    No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.
    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    "The French are scum."

    Clearly, and by definition.

    However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

    They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
    Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
    Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


    I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice :)
    I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

    The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
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    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    Sounds like an attempt to excuse France's sanction busting

    How about calling them out
    Ok sure

    I HEREBY CALL OUT EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE OF FRANCE, ITS OVERSEAS TERRITORIES, INCLUDING ALL THOSE WHO HAVE DIED AND ALL THOSE YET TO BE BORN.
    Pathetic.

    Big G won’t be happy unless you specifically call for their fleet to be scuttled.
    Are you content with France's behaviour?
    I complained about it earlier, Big G.

    I know you’re positively priapic to turn this into another Brexit proxy but I’m afraid I won’t help your witch-hunt.
    Absolutely nothing to do with Brexit and no idea why you raised it

    It would be the same angry reaction if we were still in the EU
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,139
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    Sounds like an attempt to excuse France's sanction busting

    How about calling them out
    Ok sure

    I HEREBY CALL OUT EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE OF FRANCE, ITS OVERSEAS TERRITORIES, INCLUDING ALL THOSE WHO HAVE DIED AND ALL THOSE YET TO BE BORN.
    Disgraceful comment - France has no overseas 'territories', they are all as integral a part of France proper as metropolitan France.

    (Actually they might still have some additional bits, former Empires are confusing).
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328

    Roger said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    An Italian magazine is alleging that this is a coordinated French government decision. Do not stop business in Russia

    Total, Auchan, Decathlon and multiple other French companies are ignoring the sanctions. Not just Renault

    The French never go too long without giving you a reason to despise them

    The UK should sanction any company that continues to do business in Russia.

    Edit: that would be a Brexit benefit I could actually get behind.
    Yup, Renault should be given the choice of continuing their sales in Russia or their sales in the UK (and US). UK companies have taken yes of billions in write downs to do the right thing after state pressure. The French are so predictably treacherous.
    To avoid succour to the general Francophobia, even if warranted in this case, I’d point out that there are also British companies still trading.

    They too should be sanctioned.
    I've worked many times for Renault with agencies from France Spain and Italy and a corporate ad for Nestle in Switzerland and ads for Nestle products in just about every country in Europe and beyond. There is often an ethos which runs through a company irrespective of the agency or country that is making the ad which makes them a pleasure to work with. Renault and Nestle are two such companies.

    That's ok then. They say nice things to you about your crappy ads.

    Nestle in particular has long been a problematic company for many on the left due to some appalling behaviour, especially in developing countries.
    My first posting was Yemen. Mother and infant mortality rates through the roof, largely thanks to Nestle.

    Whatever their good deeds since, I find it hard to forgive them.
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,690
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    TimT said:
    No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.
    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    "The French are scum."

    Clearly, and by definition.

    However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

    They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
    Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
    Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


    I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice :)
    The US anthem is the best lyrics in the world, bombarded by the enemy fleet in the night, in the sunlight it’s gone quiet, and your rebel flag is still there, flying battered and brave, peering over the battlement the enemy are sailing away over the horizon, defeated, you have won your freedom from the empire.

    Unfortunately they try to squeeze the poem over an old UK dining club tune, and it doesn’t really fit.

    The French anthem is the worst in the world, crazed and smelly French militia marching around bloody murdering people in their reign of terror. Horrible.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,139
    BigRich said:

    TimT said:


    Leon said:

    French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:

    https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841

    LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.

    Inhumane, harrowing greed.


    image

    Even as Leroy Merlin’s store in Kyiv was bombed by the Russians, killing an employee

    The shamelessness is astounding

    Imagine if Marks and Sparks decided to expand trade in Russia even as its Kharkiv branch was shelled, slaughtering a cashier

    Goes to show the spinelessness of French media and social media as well. No british company doing this would survive the outrage
    What on earth is going on with France and sanction busting ?
    French foreign policy has long been transactional and financially oriented - why are you surprised?
    So much for EU solidarity
    Hungary also firmly against sanctioning Russian energy exports and all Polish ideas on NFZs and other military assistance to Ukraine.
    Hungary, has an election coming up, do we know if there might be more anti Russian party/government elected?
    The EU sure wouldn't mind if that was the case, but I don't think they will be that lucky.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,684
    tlg86 said:

    If it's a choice between Emirates and White Hart Lane for the second London stadium, then it's perhaps a tighter call than you might expect:

    Things in favour of White Hart Lane: 2,500 more seats, it's newer so it's got more mod-cons.
    Things in favour of Emirates: quite a bit more corporate capacity, it's not in a shithole, it has better travel connections.

    Walking up from Tottenham Hale is fine (~20-25 mins) and I expect the way Spurs will pitch the stadium for the tournament is part of a wider "regeneration" (gentrification) effort for the area. It also has much better atmosphere, I saw some crowd footage of the win against WH and it was bouncing. Don't think you'd ever get that at the library.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,604
    TimT said:

    Roger said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    An Italian magazine is alleging that this is a coordinated French government decision. Do not stop business in Russia

    Total, Auchan, Decathlon and multiple other French companies are ignoring the sanctions. Not just Renault

    The French never go too long without giving you a reason to despise them

    The UK should sanction any company that continues to do business in Russia.

    Edit: that would be a Brexit benefit I could actually get behind.
    Yup, Renault should be given the choice of continuing their sales in Russia or their sales in the UK (and US). UK companies have taken yes of billions in write downs to do the right thing after state pressure. The French are so predictably treacherous.
    To avoid succour to the general Francophobia, even if warranted in this case, I’d point out that there are also British companies still trading.

    They too should be sanctioned.
    I've worked many times for Renault with agencies from France Spain and Italy and a corporate ad for Nestle in Switzerland and ads for Nestle products in just about every country in Europe and beyond. There is often an ethos which runs through a company irrespective of the agency or country that is making the ad which makes them a pleasure to work with. Renault and Nestle are two such companies.

    That's ok then. They say nice things to you about your crappy ads.

    Nestle in particular has long been a problematic company for many on the left due to some appalling behaviour, especially in developing countries.
    My first posting was Yemen. Mother and infant mortality rates through the roof, largely thanks to Nestle.

    Whatever their good deeds since, I find it hard to forgive them.
    Takes me back to my university days. Anyone for boycotting Barclays?
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,839
    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    Sounds like an attempt to excuse France's sanction busting

    How about calling them out
    Ok sure

    I HEREBY CALL OUT EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE OF FRANCE, ITS OVERSEAS TERRITORIES, INCLUDING ALL THOSE WHO HAVE DIED AND ALL THOSE YET TO BE BORN.
    Disgraceful comment - France has no overseas 'territories', they are all as integral a part of France proper as metropolitan France.

    (Actually they might still have some additional bits, former Empires are confusing).
    In that case I condemn them for that too
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 45,048

    Roger said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    An Italian magazine is alleging that this is a coordinated French government decision. Do not stop business in Russia

    Total, Auchan, Decathlon and multiple other French companies are ignoring the sanctions. Not just Renault

    The French never go too long without giving you a reason to despise them

    The UK should sanction any company that continues to do business in Russia.

    Edit: that would be a Brexit benefit I could actually get behind.
    Yup, Renault should be given the choice of continuing their sales in Russia or their sales in the UK (and US). UK companies have taken yes of billions in write downs to do the right thing after state pressure. The French are so predictably treacherous.
    To avoid succour to the general Francophobia, even if warranted in this case, I’d point out that there are also British companies still trading.

    They too should be sanctioned.
    I've worked many times for Renault with agencies from France Spain and Italy and a corporate ad for Nestle in Switzerland and ads for Nestle products in just about every country in Europe and beyond. There is often an ethos which runs through a company irrespective of the agency or country that is making the ad which makes them a pleasure to work with. Renault and Nestle are two such companies.

    That's ok then. They say nice things to you about your crappy ads.

    Nestle in particular has long been a problematic company for many on the left due to some appalling behaviour, especially in developing countries.
    Nestle is Swiss isn't it?
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    TimT said:
    No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.
    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    "The French are scum."

    Clearly, and by definition.

    However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

    They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
    Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
    Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


    I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice :)
    As you wish:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tko7PgR-zCg
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,139
    mwadams said:

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    Has @Scott_xP made any comment as I assume he will be embarrassed by this behaviour and call it out
    The PB Remoaners are staying quiet. The only voices responding are those condemning this despicable act and the outright Putin apologists engaging in whataboutism.
    I’m a Libdem and speaking up. The only way to steer something like this is to reform yourself and lead by example. How squeaking clean and brilliant are we before shouting about everyone else (I agree the French undercutting sanctions and pressure on Putin is disgusting)

    The night of the invasion of Ukraine Britains Tory Prime Minister was at a fund raising do shamelessly courting yet more dirty money, the Murdoch press claim.

    Maybe the PM can actually make it to PMQs this week and answer these questions for himself rather than hiding from awkward questions? Maybe then we will have a clearer picture how squeaky clean and brilliant our own government is?
    Much as I can't stand the Government, that's whataboutery, not speaking up, I'm afraid.
    Indeed. We do need to be cleaner, in a lot of ways, but that doesn't prevent commentary on others. Sometimes stones need to be cast before waiting for someone sin free to do it.

    But the anti-French stuff has been a bit overblown.
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    kle4 said:

    BigRich said:

    TimT said:


    Leon said:

    French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:

    https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841

    LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.

    Inhumane, harrowing greed.


    image

    Even as Leroy Merlin’s store in Kyiv was bombed by the Russians, killing an employee

    The shamelessness is astounding

    Imagine if Marks and Sparks decided to expand trade in Russia even as its Kharkiv branch was shelled, slaughtering a cashier

    Goes to show the spinelessness of French media and social media as well. No british company doing this would survive the outrage
    What on earth is going on with France and sanction busting ?
    French foreign policy has long been transactional and financially oriented - why are you surprised?
    So much for EU solidarity
    Hungary also firmly against sanctioning Russian energy exports and all Polish ideas on NFZs and other military assistance to Ukraine.
    Hungary, has an election coming up, do we know if there might be more anti Russian party/government elected?
    The EU sure wouldn't mind if that was the case, but I don't think they will be that lucky.
    Orban has trimmed his sails a bit in the light of recent events, no?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,302
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    An Italian magazine is alleging that this is a coordinated French government decision. Do not stop business in Russia

    Total, Auchan, Decathlon and multiple other French companies are ignoring the sanctions. Not just Renault

    The French never go too long without giving you a reason to despise them

    The UK should sanction any company that continues to do business in Russia.

    Edit: that would be a Brexit benefit I could actually get behind.
    Yup, Renault should be given the choice of continuing their sales in Russia or their sales in the UK (and US). UK companies have taken yes of billions in write downs to do the right thing after state pressure. The French are so predictably treacherous.
    To avoid succour to the general Francophobia, even if warranted in this case, I’d point out that there are also British companies still trading.

    They too should be sanctioned.
    I've worked many times for Renault with agencies from France Spain and Italy and a corporate ad for Nestle in Switzerland and ads for Nestle products in just about every country in Europe and beyond. There is often an ethos which runs through a company irrespective of the agency or country that is making the ad which makes them a pleasure to work with. Renault and Nestle are two such companies.

    That's ok then. They say nice things to you about your crappy ads.

    Nestle in particular has long been a problematic company for many on the left due to some appalling behaviour, especially in developing countries.
    Nestle is Swiss isn't it?
    Yes.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,966
    kle4 said:

    BigRich said:

    TimT said:


    Leon said:

    French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:

    https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841

    LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.

    Inhumane, harrowing greed.


    image

    Even as Leroy Merlin’s store in Kyiv was bombed by the Russians, killing an employee

    The shamelessness is astounding

    Imagine if Marks and Sparks decided to expand trade in Russia even as its Kharkiv branch was shelled, slaughtering a cashier

    Goes to show the spinelessness of French media and social media as well. No british company doing this would survive the outrage
    What on earth is going on with France and sanction busting ?
    French foreign policy has long been transactional and financially oriented - why are you surprised?
    So much for EU solidarity
    Hungary also firmly against sanctioning Russian energy exports and all Polish ideas on NFZs and other military assistance to Ukraine.
    Hungary, has an election coming up, do we know if there might be more anti Russian party/government elected?
    The EU sure wouldn't mind if that was the case, but I don't think they will be that lucky.
    https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/hungary/
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,139

    kle4 said:

    BigRich said:

    TimT said:


    Leon said:

    French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:

    https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841

    LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.

    Inhumane, harrowing greed.


    image

    Even as Leroy Merlin’s store in Kyiv was bombed by the Russians, killing an employee

    The shamelessness is astounding

    Imagine if Marks and Sparks decided to expand trade in Russia even as its Kharkiv branch was shelled, slaughtering a cashier

    Goes to show the spinelessness of French media and social media as well. No british company doing this would survive the outrage
    What on earth is going on with France and sanction busting ?
    French foreign policy has long been transactional and financially oriented - why are you surprised?
    So much for EU solidarity
    Hungary also firmly against sanctioning Russian energy exports and all Polish ideas on NFZs and other military assistance to Ukraine.
    Hungary, has an election coming up, do we know if there might be more anti Russian party/government elected?
    The EU sure wouldn't mind if that was the case, but I don't think they will be that lucky.
    Orban has trimmed his sails a bit in the light of recent events, no?
    Leopards cannot change their spots.
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    TOPPING said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    Sounds like an attempt to excuse France's sanction busting

    How about calling them out
    Ok sure

    I HEREBY CALL OUT EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE OF FRANCE, ITS OVERSEAS TERRITORIES, INCLUDING ALL THOSE WHO HAVE DIED AND ALL THOSE YET TO BE BORN.
    Shouting response gives the impression you are simply trying to deflect from the subject
    How would you react Big G if you were told that PB poster @******* worked for Renault or any French company. How long would you tolerate them not resigning from their employment.
    .
    Very embarrassing if they worked with Renault but not any French company who support the Russian boycott
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,372
    edited March 2022
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    An Italian magazine is alleging that this is a coordinated French government decision. Do not stop business in Russia

    Total, Auchan, Decathlon and multiple other French companies are ignoring the sanctions. Not just Renault

    The French never go too long without giving you a reason to despise them

    The UK should sanction any company that continues to do business in Russia.

    Edit: that would be a Brexit benefit I could actually get behind.
    Yup, Renault should be given the choice of continuing their sales in Russia or their sales in the UK (and US). UK companies have taken yes of billions in write downs to do the right thing after state pressure. The French are so predictably treacherous.
    To avoid succour to the general Francophobia, even if warranted in this case, I’d point out that there are also British companies still trading.

    They too should be sanctioned.
    I've worked many times for Renault with agencies from France Spain and Italy and a corporate ad for Nestle in Switzerland and ads for Nestle products in just about every country in Europe and beyond. There is often an ethos which runs through a company irrespective of the agency or country that is making the ad which makes them a pleasure to work with. Renault and Nestle are two such companies.

    That's ok then. They say nice things to you about your crappy ads.

    Nestle in particular has long been a problematic company for many on the left due to some appalling behaviour, especially in developing countries.
    Nestle is Swiss isn't it?
    The point was Roger is giving them an example of lovely guys and also counts himself as a man of the left. When for many years the likes of the Guardian have repeated pointed out they aren't very nice at all. He surely couldn't have missed all those articles when he sits down for his daily read.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,542
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:

    https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841

    LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.

    Inhumane, harrowing greed.


    image

    Even as Leroy Merlin’s store in Kyiv was bombed by the Russians, killing an employee

    The shamelessness is astounding

    Imagine if Marks and Sparks decided to expand trade in Russia even as its Kharkiv branch was shelled, slaughtering a cashier

    Goes to show the spinelessness of French media and social media as well. No british company doing this would survive the outrage
    What on earth is going on with France and sanction busting ?
    Personally I won't be buying French fries, French bread or French letters until Putin has been deposed.
    Keeping going on the wine though, eh Foxy!
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,405
    edited March 2022
    kle4 said:

    mwadams said:

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    Has @Scott_xP made any comment as I assume he will be embarrassed by this behaviour and call it out
    The PB Remoaners are staying quiet. The only voices responding are those condemning this despicable act and the outright Putin apologists engaging in whataboutism.
    I’m a Libdem and speaking up. The only way to steer something like this is to reform yourself and lead by example. How squeaking clean and brilliant are we before shouting about everyone else (I agree the French undercutting sanctions and pressure on Putin is disgusting)

    The night of the invasion of Ukraine Britains Tory Prime Minister was at a fund raising do shamelessly courting yet more dirty money, the Murdoch press claim.

    Maybe the PM can actually make it to PMQs this week and answer these questions for himself rather than hiding from awkward questions? Maybe then we will have a clearer picture how squeaky clean and brilliant our own government is?
    Much as I can't stand the Government, that's whataboutery, not speaking up, I'm afraid.
    Indeed. We do need to be cleaner, in a lot of ways, but that doesn't prevent commentary on others. Sometimes stones need to be cast before waiting for someone sin free to do it.

    But the anti-French stuff has been a bit overblown.
    Has a bit.

    Personally I enjoy a bit of mud-slinging, especially when the French are involved, but I'd enjoy it a lot more if we weren't so vulnerable on the refugee front.

    Sort it out, Priti, so we can get properly sanctimonious again.
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    TimT said:

    Roger said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    An Italian magazine is alleging that this is a coordinated French government decision. Do not stop business in Russia

    Total, Auchan, Decathlon and multiple other French companies are ignoring the sanctions. Not just Renault

    The French never go too long without giving you a reason to despise them

    The UK should sanction any company that continues to do business in Russia.

    Edit: that would be a Brexit benefit I could actually get behind.
    Yup, Renault should be given the choice of continuing their sales in Russia or their sales in the UK (and US). UK companies have taken yes of billions in write downs to do the right thing after state pressure. The French are so predictably treacherous.
    To avoid succour to the general Francophobia, even if warranted in this case, I’d point out that there are also British companies still trading.

    They too should be sanctioned.
    I've worked many times for Renault with agencies from France Spain and Italy and a corporate ad for Nestle in Switzerland and ads for Nestle products in just about every country in Europe and beyond. There is often an ethos which runs through a company irrespective of the agency or country that is making the ad which makes them a pleasure to work with. Renault and Nestle are two such companies.

    That's ok then. They say nice things to you about your crappy ads.

    Nestle in particular has long been a problematic company for many on the left due to some appalling behaviour, especially in developing countries.
    My first posting was Yemen. Mother and infant mortality rates through the roof, largely thanks to Nestle.

    Whatever their good deeds since, I find it hard to forgive them.
    what did they do? and was in deliberate as in did they know it would have the effect you describe, or an unforeseen outcome.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,165
    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    Has @Scott_xP made any comment as I assume he will be embarrassed by this behaviour and call it out
    The PB Remoaners are staying quiet. The only voices responding are those condemning this despicable act and the outright Putin apologists engaging in whataboutism.
    As a Remainer, I think what the French are doing, or not doing is despicable; had we still been members of t.he EU of course, we could have brought pressure to bear instead of impotently waffling from the sidelines.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,542

    UK R

    @Malmesbury's annoying graphics removed

    You work really hard on these – for which I'm thankful – I have found them useful. But do we think there will come a time soon when they will become background noise? Maybe weekly govt updates rather than daily? I rarely examine them these days.
    Deaths will probably start going up soon. The noise from iSage will rise in volume.
    This wavelets will continue forever. Are we still supposed to be paying attention to iSage, oSage or any other Sage? We have vaccines, we have boosters, what more can we do but get on with living our lives? Pagel herself caught covid despite apparently never leaving her house!
    She probably caught it while 'working from home' in the Lake District. Handing for delivering remote lecture content...
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,853

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    TimT said:
    No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.
    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    "The French are scum."

    Clearly, and by definition.

    However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

    They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
    Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
    Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


    I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice :)
    I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

    The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
    Odd that we have a song which is about as bad as it can be. Of course though our song is God save the Queen. Could be any old dirge.
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    Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 599
    tlg86 said:

    franklyn said:

    I think that we need to treat visitors to some proper football grounds, like Brisbane Road (Leyton Orient) and Sixfields (Northampton Town). None of this corporate nonsense

    Spotland
    Vale Park
    Fratton Park
    Roots Hall
    Priestfield
    Kenilworth Road
    Brunton Park
    St James Park
    Sincil Bank
    Cappielow Park
    Rodney Parade
    Rodney Parade is a historic rugby ground - that is now shared between rugby & football
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,372
    edited March 2022

    Updated Russian vehicle symbol list

    LOL...What's the simple for totally useless against an NLAW?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193

    Updated Russian vehicle symbol list

    Could this throw a big stone in the seeming quiet waters of the French election I wonder? Macron is now tied to every horrific image coming out of that conflict.

    His only safety net I suppose is that photo of Le Pen with Putin on all those pulped election leaflets.

    What a choice, France.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,302
    kle4 said:

    mwadams said:

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    Has @Scott_xP made any comment as I assume he will be embarrassed by this behaviour and call it out
    The PB Remoaners are staying quiet. The only voices responding are those condemning this despicable act and the outright Putin apologists engaging in whataboutism.
    I’m a Libdem and speaking up. The only way to steer something like this is to reform yourself and lead by example. How squeaking clean and brilliant are we before shouting about everyone else (I agree the French undercutting sanctions and pressure on Putin is disgusting)

    The night of the invasion of Ukraine Britains Tory Prime Minister was at a fund raising do shamelessly courting yet more dirty money, the Murdoch press claim.

    Maybe the PM can actually make it to PMQs this week and answer these questions for himself rather than hiding from awkward questions? Maybe then we will have a clearer picture how squeaky clean and brilliant our own government is?
    Much as I can't stand the Government, that's whataboutery, not speaking up, I'm afraid.
    Indeed. We do need to be cleaner, in a lot of ways, but that doesn't prevent commentary on others. Sometimes stones need to be cast before waiting for someone sin free to do it.

    But the anti-French stuff has been a bit overblown.
    There's clearly been some very bad behivour by the French as regards AutoVAZ/Renault. They should have said that restarting production was against the spirit of the sanctions. No doubt there was a fear that in an industry like automotive, the Russian government might simply strip them of the asset. (Which, like Exxon and BP they should simply have accepted.)

    With regards to the French retailer, it's pretty poor behaviour. And I suspect if we look around, we'll probably find some other companies from other countries who have cynically chosen to use sanctions on Russia to make big additional profits. But it's not clear to me (although I may be wrong) that the French government is actually going and telling their companies to invest in Russia.
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    TOPPING said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    Sounds like an attempt to excuse France's sanction busting

    How about calling them out
    Ok sure

    I HEREBY CALL OUT EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE OF FRANCE, ITS OVERSEAS TERRITORIES, INCLUDING ALL THOSE WHO HAVE DIED AND ALL THOSE YET TO BE BORN.
    Shouting response gives the impression you are simply trying to deflect from the subject
    How would you react Big G if you were told that PB poster @******* worked for Renault or any French company. How long would you tolerate them not resigning from their employment.
    .
    Big G is happy to play the victim when it suits but is a massive hypocrite otherwise.
    Do you support Renault and the French government action?

    And by the way I am not the victim, the innocent women and children being slaughtered by Putin are and France action adds to Putin's economy
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,542

    TOPPING said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    So you think it's fine to judge "the French" on the actions of what one company does, but it's not ok to judge Boris on what Boris says?

    It's an eclectic view, but good on you for putting it out there.
    Sounds like an attempt to excuse France's sanction busting

    How about calling them out
    Ok sure

    I HEREBY CALL OUT EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE OF FRANCE, ITS OVERSEAS TERRITORIES, INCLUDING ALL THOSE WHO HAVE DIED AND ALL THOSE YET TO BE BORN.
    Shouting response gives the impression you are simply trying to deflect from the subject
    How would you react Big G if you were told that PB poster @******* worked for Renault or any French company. How long would you tolerate them not resigning from their employment.
    .
    Big G is happy to play the victim when it suits but is a massive hypocrite otherwise.
    I really don't think he is a hypocrite. I know you have a beef with him about a lot of things, but what exactly is he hypocritical about?
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    TOPPING said:

    TimT said:

    Roger said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    An Italian magazine is alleging that this is a coordinated French government decision. Do not stop business in Russia

    Total, Auchan, Decathlon and multiple other French companies are ignoring the sanctions. Not just Renault

    The French never go too long without giving you a reason to despise them

    The UK should sanction any company that continues to do business in Russia.

    Edit: that would be a Brexit benefit I could actually get behind.
    Yup, Renault should be given the choice of continuing their sales in Russia or their sales in the UK (and US). UK companies have taken yes of billions in write downs to do the right thing after state pressure. The French are so predictably treacherous.
    To avoid succour to the general Francophobia, even if warranted in this case, I’d point out that there are also British companies still trading.

    They too should be sanctioned.
    I've worked many times for Renault with agencies from France Spain and Italy and a corporate ad for Nestle in Switzerland and ads for Nestle products in just about every country in Europe and beyond. There is often an ethos which runs through a company irrespective of the agency or country that is making the ad which makes them a pleasure to work with. Renault and Nestle are two such companies.

    That's ok then. They say nice things to you about your crappy ads.

    Nestle in particular has long been a problematic company for many on the left due to some appalling behaviour, especially in developing countries.
    My first posting was Yemen. Mother and infant mortality rates through the roof, largely thanks to Nestle.

    Whatever their good deeds since, I find it hard to forgive them.
    Takes me back to my university days. Anyone for boycotting Barclays?
    Yup.

    As long as that shithouse Bob Diamond walks free I'm up for that.
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    TimT said:
    No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.
    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    "The French are scum."

    Clearly, and by definition.

    However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

    They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
    Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
    Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


    I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice :)
    I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

    The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
    Probably not a popular opinion at the moment, but the old Soviet anthem has a certain something to my ears...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrI28-4Zi_E
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,690

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    TimT said:
    No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.
    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    "The French are scum."

    Clearly, and by definition.

    However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

    They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
    Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
    Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


    I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice :)
    I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

    The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
    The best English anthem has yet to be written, for it needs to be set to the opening bars of Parry’s Symphony number 2. Close your eyes and all of England is there - the rolling green hills, in the rain, the seaside rocks with white horses, in the rain, the filthy towns with smelly livestock driven through or queuing for the nightclub, in the rain.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwuQyrjGYjk
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,853

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    TimT said:
    No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.
    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    "The French are scum."

    Clearly, and by definition.

    However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

    They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
    Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
    Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


    I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice :)
    As you wish:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tko7PgR-zCg
    Thanks for the link. Lacking a warm style though.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    An Italian magazine is alleging that this is a coordinated French government decision. Do not stop business in Russia

    Total, Auchan, Decathlon and multiple other French companies are ignoring the sanctions. Not just Renault

    The French never go too long without giving you a reason to despise them

    The UK should sanction any company that continues to do business in Russia.

    Edit: that would be a Brexit benefit I could actually get behind.
    Yup, Renault should be given the choice of continuing their sales in Russia or their sales in the UK (and US). UK companies have taken yes of billions in write downs to do the right thing after state pressure. The French are so predictably treacherous.
    To avoid succour to the general Francophobia, even if warranted in this case, I’d point out that there are also British companies still trading.

    They too should be sanctioned.
    I've worked many times for Renault with agencies from France Spain and Italy and a corporate ad for Nestle in Switzerland and ads for Nestle products in just about every country in Europe and beyond. There is often an ethos which runs through a company irrespective of the agency or country that is making the ad which makes them a pleasure to work with. Renault and Nestle are two such companies.

    Yes. And also Renault have such a long marvellous tradition of this. They collaborated with the Nazis in the 1940s during Vichy.
    So did the Daily Mail, what is your point
    Erm, by the 1940s the Daily Mail was very much back on side.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,060

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    TimT said:
    No idea about Russian IT skills, but the Ukranians are very good.
    Aslan said:

    Another French company looking to expand in Russia:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com

    The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.

    "The French are scum."

    Clearly, and by definition.

    However the French are in fact wonderful, warm, and truly lovely people. I'll have to think about whether they're charming us for a while prior to revealing their true nature!

    They also have the best national anthem. By miles.
    Not really - The Welsh anthem is the best in the world
    Well anything actually sung by the Welsh is the best in the world. Welshman singing the Marsiellais - that'd be a thing.


    I really like 'Flower of Sctland' too - suits their peasant voice :)
    I've always thought the Welsh National Anthem unsurpassable. The Marseillaise and the Stars and Stripes are pretty good too. I find it hard to think of another worthy of mention - maybe Flower of Scotland, or Australia Fair.

    The Londonderry Air is a bit special but it's not an anthem of course. Somebody should nick it for their own.
    I know the climate is wrong for making this admission and with all due apologies to people's sensibilities, but the old Soviet National Anthem is just a wonderful piece of music.
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