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Agree – Greater Manchester is a strong brand that has helped unify the metro rather than give into petty parochial nonsense. Other metro areas have missed a trick with their unwieldy names.Gardenwalker said:
There’s no right or wrong on these things.Cookie said:
Well yes, but my quibble is with 'Greater Newcastle'. You wouldn't call Bradford part of Greater Leeds, or Coventry part of Greater Birmingham. Greater Manchester is ok because Manchester City Centre (or in planning speak 'the regional centre' so that we also include Central Salford, Salford Quays and a bit of Trafford) outweighs Oldham, Stockport, Rochdale etc to a much bigger degree than Newcastle does to Sunderland, Leeds does to Bradford or Birmingham does to Coventry.Anabobazina said:
Indeed – the fact that they share the same Tube network, have the same telephone code and you can drive 'between' them without ever encountering countryside is something of a dead giveaway...LostPassword said:
I once stayed in a hotel in Wearside while working at a client in Tyneside - didn't notice passport control between the two!Cookie said:
The Metro area which includes both Sunderland and Newcastle is 'Tyne and Wear' - it has certainly been true in my lifetime that Sunderland was bigger than Newcastle (though Tyneside, the core of which is Newcastle, has always been bigger than Wearside).Anabobazina said:
Both are simple statements of fact.Cookie said:
Anabobz being uncharacteristically uncaring of provincial sensibilities here - *Greater Newcastle*? I can hear the splutters of Mackem indignation from here. And 'Nottingham is a far better city than Leicester'? FWIW I probably agree, but that's a casually lobbed hand grenade if I ever I saw one.Anabobazina said:
The City Ground should have 38,000 seats by then and will be bigger than the King Power. And Nottingham is a far better city than Leicester so I think it might get the nod again (as in 1996) assuming Forest confirm that the redevelopment will be complete by 2028. But it's a close call, as you say.tlg86 said:
Nailed on:Anabobazina said:
Stupid mistake by me! Now added...ping said:
I think ROI probably deserve another stadium. Cork or Galway, perhaps?Anabobazina said:Have we done this? https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/22/uk-and-republic-of-ireland-in-line-to-host-euro-2028-after-no-one-else-bids
Would be absolutely fantastic news. It's likely to be 32 teams so we'll need a lot of stadiums in great cities. Here's my recommendations:
• Wembley, London
• White Hart Lane, London
• Old Trafford, Manchester
• Parkhead, Glasgow (preferred to Hampden, better stadium)
• Murrayfield, Edinburgh
• Anfield, Liverpool
• Millennium, Cardiff
• Lansdowne Road, Dublin
• City Ground (extended), Nottingham
• St James' Park, Newcastle
• Windsor Park, Belfast
• Elland Road, Leeds
• Bramhall Lane, Sheffield (preferred to Hillsborough as closer to city centre?)
• Falmer, Brighton (maybe)
• Villa Park, Birmingham
Also, Villa Park. You can’t leave out Britains second city…
• Wembley, London
• White Hart Lane, London
• Old Trafford, Manchester
• Parkhead, Glasgow (preferred to Hampden, better stadium)
• Murrayfield, Edinburgh
• Anfield, Liverpool
• Millennium, Cardiff
• Lansdowne Road, Dublin
• City Ground (extended), Nottingham
• St James' Park, Newcastle
• Windsor Park, Belfast
• Elland Road, Leeds
• Bramhall Lane, Sheffield (preferred to Hillsborough as closer to city centre?)
• Falmer, Brighton (maybe)
• Villa Park, Birmingham
Wembley
Old Trafford (assuming it isn't being rebuilt...)
Aviva (Dublin)
Principality (Cardiff)
St James's Park
Villa Park (hopefully this will be 50,000 by 2028)
And at least one in Scotland. I suspect Hampden would get the nod and then hopefully Murrayfield is also used.
I think it would be fair enough to use another venue in London given it serves a big population. Could Twickenham be an option given it has 20,000 more seats than WHL?
And I wouldn't rule out the Etihad being used and I wouldn't be surprised if the Stadium of Light is used.
Elland Road and Hillsborough need some TLC, but I'd like to see both used. If they rebuild the Leppings Lane End at Hillsborough, they can get that up to 45,000.
East Midlands is tricky. I think Leicester is more likely than Nottingham. It wouldn't be too difficult to add a second tier to some of the ground to make it 40,000+. Same goes for Southampton.
Re: Stadium of Light, do you think they will have two in Greater Newcastle? As you say St James' Park is a certainty.
Good point about Twickenham, but sure WHL will be in there? London could probably have three as they are all far enough apart from each other?
Now I'm not aware that there is any definition of 'Greater Newcastle' in the UK (though there is one in Australia) - but surely Greater Newcastle = Tyneside urban area. And Tyneside urban area does have a(n ONS) definition. And it doesn't include Sunderland.
This list is relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_United_Kingdom
This isn't my fight, by the way, except in the sense that all quibbles of geographical pedantry are my fight.
I'd have thought that any analysis of how people move around the area for work or leisure would see the two as part of a cohesive whole.
EDIT: Travel to Work Areas show Sunderland separate from Newcastle in a way that Greater Manchester's outlying towns are not separate from Manchester.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travel_to_work_area
I could counter your argument on TTWA by proposing that a lack of joined up transport infrastructure has prevented what should be - geographically - a single travel to work area.
I personally tend toward a “Greater…” approach because I think the branding helps the push toward joined up devolution etc.
I could go Newcastle-Sunderland at a push, although that would presumably piss off Gatesheaders.0 -
I don't know much about car industry, but there are sanctions on importation of any computer chips to Russia that use any US design or patents. Have the UK imposed this? Do things like info-tainment systems in modern cars use ARM based stuff?
Obviously the actual silicon is made I guess in Taiwan (or China), but what about the IP that goes into them?0 -
If it's a choice between Emirates and White Hart Lane for the second London stadium, then it's perhaps a tighter call than you might expect:
Things in favour of White Hart Lane: 2,500 more seats, it's newer so it's got more mod-cons.
Things in favour of Emirates: quite a bit more corporate capacity, it's not in a shithole, it has better travel connections.0 -
Your conversion to the cause that many other people (who voted the opposite to you) now realise was pointless is quite stunning.williamglenn said:
Despite the brief moment of unity from the EU, the medium term effects of the crisis could be very bad for its coherence as a political actor. Ukraine noticed that in their hour of need, Germany was happy to sit back and watch Russia create new facts on the ground, while France wanted to get them to come to terms with Putin so that Macron could pose as a great statesman. The EU's dirty secret is that the Franco-German core doesn't want another large member state to the east diluting their influence even further.Leon said:
AgreedGardenwalker said:
The UK should sanction any company that continues to do business in Russia.Leon said:An Italian magazine is alleging that this is a coordinated French government decision. Do not stop business in Russia
Total, Auchan, Decathlon and multiple other French companies are ignoring the sanctions. Not just Renault
The French never go too long without giving you a reason to despise them
Edit: that would be a Brexit benefit I could actually get behind.
It’s quite shocking. To me. I can understand companies that make medicines saying “we have to do this for the Russian people” but supermarkets, cars, perfumes, are not absolute necessities which cannot be replaced
And the fact so many French companies are just ignoring the sanctions suggests this is a planned policy - if they all do it then the reputational damage is shared and diluted. And they can make more profits as other western countries have pulled out!
How nice for them. How very very French
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@JackDetsch
NEW: U.S. has indications that Ukraine is now "able and willing" to take back territory overtaken by the Russian military: senior U.S. defense official
Ukraine's military is now trying to push the Russians out of Izyum, in East Ukraine, and has held Mykolaiv against 🇷🇺 attack.
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They won't have more than two in London. I can't find a link right now but I'm pretty sure UEFA have said in bid documents in the past that two stadiums in one city is the maximum.LostPassword said:
I was thinking of New Highbury and New White Hart Lane in addition to Wembley.Anabobazina said:
By "two north London stadiums" I can only assume you mean Wembley and White Hart Lane?LostPassword said:
I think there are enough good association football stadiums in London that they won't call upon Twickenham. They'd want to keep the money within association football.Anabobazina said:MaxPB said:
Nah, shit atmosphere for football. The two best London venues are WHL and Wembley.Sunil_Prasannan said:
You forgot the London Stadium.Anabobazina said:Have we done this? https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/22/uk-and-republic-of-ireland-in-line-to-host-euro-2028-after-no-one-else-bids
Would be absolutely fantastic news. It's likely to be 32 teams so we'll need a lot of stadiums in great cities. Here's my recommendations:
• Wembley, London
• White Hart Lane, London
• Old Trafford, Manchester
• Parkhead, Glasgow (preferred to Hampden, better stadium)
• Murrayfield, Edinburgh
• Anfield, Liverpool
• Millennium, Cardiff
• Lansdowne Road, Dublin
• City Ground (extended), Nottingham
• St James' Park, Newcastle
• Windsor Park, Belfast
• Elland Road, Leeds
• Bramhall Lane, Sheffield (preferred to Hillsborough as closer to city centre?)
• Falmer, Brighton (maybe)
Yes, I can't see London Stadium or Highbury getting the nod. The challenge to White Hart Lane is Twickenham – as @tlg86 points out.
I would think that it will be the two north London club grounds that are used, unless the police kick up a fuss about it.0 -
White Hart Lane is a vastly superior ground, so there's that. Better atmosphere, bigger, much better facilities all round.tlg86 said:If it's a choice between Emirates and White Hart Lane for the second London stadium, then it's perhaps a tighter call than you might expect:
Things in favour of White Hart Lane: 2,500 more seats, it's newer so it's got more mod-cons.
Things in favour of Emirates: quite a bit more corporate capacity, it's not in a shithole, it has better travel connections.0 -
How many stadiums are we aiming for here? I understand the desire to spread them out, but I could imagine cost/organisation being a factor.Applicant said:
They won't have more than two in London. I can't find a link right now but I'm pretty sure UEFA have said in bid documents in the past that two stadiums in one city is the maximum.LostPassword said:
I was thinking of New Highbury and New White Hart Lane in addition to Wembley.Anabobazina said:
By "two north London stadiums" I can only assume you mean Wembley and White Hart Lane?LostPassword said:
I think there are enough good association football stadiums in London that they won't call upon Twickenham. They'd want to keep the money within association football.Anabobazina said:MaxPB said:
Nah, shit atmosphere for football. The two best London venues are WHL and Wembley.Sunil_Prasannan said:
You forgot the London Stadium.Anabobazina said:Have we done this? https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/22/uk-and-republic-of-ireland-in-line-to-host-euro-2028-after-no-one-else-bids
Would be absolutely fantastic news. It's likely to be 32 teams so we'll need a lot of stadiums in great cities. Here's my recommendations:
• Wembley, London
• White Hart Lane, London
• Old Trafford, Manchester
• Parkhead, Glasgow (preferred to Hampden, better stadium)
• Murrayfield, Edinburgh
• Anfield, Liverpool
• Millennium, Cardiff
• Lansdowne Road, Dublin
• City Ground (extended), Nottingham
• St James' Park, Newcastle
• Windsor Park, Belfast
• Elland Road, Leeds
• Bramhall Lane, Sheffield (preferred to Hillsborough as closer to city centre?)
• Falmer, Brighton (maybe)
Yes, I can't see London Stadium or Highbury getting the nod. The challenge to White Hart Lane is Twickenham – as @tlg86 points out.
I would think that it will be the two north London club grounds that are used, unless the police kick up a fuss about it.0 -
Glad I've stopped buying them. Last couple of cars I've had have been SkodasMaxPB said:Time for everyone to set fire to their nearest Renault.
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The French arms included the Lepage 344mm Creme Brûlée gun - which turns entire divisions into Left Bank Existentialists with a single shot.BigRich said:
about 2 weeks ago when lots of European nations started to offer weapons to the Ukrainians, I pointed out that the UK, Germanys, US and most others where giving weapons, where as the French where opening a line of credit for Ukraine to Buy French weapons.Leon said:An Italian magazine is alleging that this is a coordinated French government decision. Do not stop business in Russia
Total, Auchan, Decathlon and multiple other French companies are ignoring the sanctions. Not just Renault
The French never go too long without giving you a reason to despise them
After pointing that out I was informed on here that, the French offer was as good if not better than the UK and others, I did not understand that then, or now.2 -
For clarity, that will be their 100 fixed wing aircraft, that they have shot down in total, and happens to be over Mariupol. ?williamglenn said:Ukraine is claiming they've shot down their 100th Russian aircraft over Mariupol.
I don't think they have clamed to shoot down 100 aircraft over Mariupol on its own, and they clamed to have destroyed over 100 helicopters a few days ago.
For reference, IIRC, the Russians started with 350 ish fixed wing aircraft and 500 helicopters assigned to this war according to western intelligence estimates.0 -
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Nigel "The Remainer" Foremain again attacks someone for criticising his beloved EU. Again the criticism of the EU wasn't related to Brexit in anyway at all, so "The Remainer" has to try to make it so.Nigel_Foremain said:
Your conversion to the cause that many other people (who voted the opposite to you) now realise was pointless is quite stunning.williamglenn said:
Despite the brief moment of unity from the EU, the medium term effects of the crisis could be very bad for its coherence as a political actor. Ukraine noticed that in their hour of need, Germany was happy to sit back and watch Russia create new facts on the ground, while France wanted to get them to come to terms with Putin so that Macron could pose as a great statesman. The EU's dirty secret is that the Franco-German core doesn't want another large member state to the east diluting their influence even further.Leon said:
AgreedGardenwalker said:
The UK should sanction any company that continues to do business in Russia.Leon said:An Italian magazine is alleging that this is a coordinated French government decision. Do not stop business in Russia
Total, Auchan, Decathlon and multiple other French companies are ignoring the sanctions. Not just Renault
The French never go too long without giving you a reason to despise them
Edit: that would be a Brexit benefit I could actually get behind.
It’s quite shocking. To me. I can understand companies that make medicines saying “we have to do this for the Russian people” but supermarkets, cars, perfumes, are not absolute necessities which cannot be replaced
And the fact so many French companies are just ignoring the sanctions suggests this is a planned policy - if they all do it then the reputational damage is shared and diluted. And they can make more profits as other western countries have pulled out!
How nice for them. How very very French
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Yes, that is the Ukrainian claim -100 fixed wing aircraft defeated, total.BigRich said:
For clarity, that will be their 100 fixed wing aircraft, that they have shot down in total, and happens to be over Mariupol. ?williamglenn said:Ukraine is claiming they've shot down their 100th Russian aircraft over Mariupol.
I don't think they have clamed to shoot down 100 aircraft over Mariupol on its own, and they clamed to have destroyed over 100 helicopters a few days ago.
For reference, IIRC, the Russians started with 350 ish fixed wing aircraft and 500 helicopters assigned to this war according to western intelligence estimates.
However the figure is widely doubted.0 -
Have you been to both? I still haven't been to Tottenham due to COVID postponing our game there, but will be going in May.Anabobazina said:
White Hart Lane is a vastly superior ground, so there's that. Better atmosphere, bigger, much better facilities all round.tlg86 said:If it's a choice between Emirates and White Hart Lane for the second London stadium, then it's perhaps a tighter call than you might expect:
Things in favour of White Hart Lane: 2,500 more seats, it's newer so it's got more mod-cons.
Things in favour of Emirates: quite a bit more corporate capacity, it's not in a shithole, it has better travel connections.
I'm not sure atmosphere counts for much, but for what it's worth, I don't think I've experienced a better atmosphere than the Emirates on a special European night (TM).0 -
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Germany, France and Ireland are always top of the list when the PB EUrophobics get going. Hopefully a wee while before I have to start worrying about Alfas and Ducatis.Carnyx said:
Bit unfair. Only 2022 on reg ones, surely.Theuniondivvie said:
You first.MaxPB said:Time for everyone to set fire to their nearest Renault.
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I think that we need to treat visitors to some proper football grounds, like Brisbane Road (Leyton Orient) and Sixfields (Northampton Town). None of this corporate nonsense2
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9 years. Well, as the characters of my favorite TV series “The Wire” used to say: “You only do two days. That's the day you go in and the day you come out"
I even had a T-shirt with this slogan, but the prison authorities confiscated it, considering the print extremist.2 -
Is there any part of Asiatic Russia that someone else fancies? N. Japan? Anything the Chinese or Mongolians think should be theirs. I see the Georgians are already making noises.BigRich said:
For clarity, that will be their 100 fixed wing aircraft, that they have shot down in total, and happens to be over Mariupol. ?williamglenn said:Ukraine is claiming they've shot down their 100th Russian aircraft over Mariupol.
I don't think they have clamed to shoot down 100 aircraft over Mariupol on its own, and they clamed to have destroyed over 100 helicopters a few days ago.
For reference, IIRC, the Russians started with 350 ish fixed wing aircraft and 500 helicopters assigned to this war according to western intelligence estimates.0 -
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It's my whole gimmick, for what it's worth...BlancheLivermore said:
You're verbose and repetitive. If that counts for wit round your way..Nigel_Foremain said:
That is because you would not recognise wit if it came up and slapped you around the face with a jumbo sized haddock.BlancheLivermore said:
You're not at all witty.Nigel_Foremain said:
No, I am just witty and on the ball and you are not. Apologies if you find that offensive.BlancheLivermore said:
You're such a rude bitch.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am no longer a remainer, because there is no longer the option, any more than you are a "leaver" unless it that applies to the absence of your brain on occasion. If you are asking *me* I will tell you; it is fucking outrageous. That help you? I was commenting on the ridiculous and monotonous regularity that Leon wants to turn anything negative that a continental government government does into a reason for Brexit, because deep down he knows Brexit was fucking pointless. Same reason as Boris Johnson and his ridiculous parallel that he drew the other day.BlancheLivermore said:
Can you show us how a remainer would criticise Renault and France for this?Nigel_Foremain said:
Still doing that repetition strategy I see. You only need do a few more thousand posts and you will genuinely believe Brexit was not pointless. As Frank Spencer might have put it "Every day in every way I get better and better"Leon said:Never again shall we allow ourselves to be lectured by Macron or the EU or FBPEers on Ukraine.
Perhaps Carl bildt and the ex Finnish PM could give us their opinion on Renault simply ignoring sanctions. For the pursuit of profit1 -
Does anybody know if Nestle have stopped any bissness in Russia?rottenborough said:I've stopped buying Alpro soya milk as I believe it is a Nestle brand.
Sticking to Lidl's own brand now.
A few days ago there was a bad mood when it was reported that Procter and Gamble where still operating in Russia, then a spokesperson explained that they had stopped selling everything but baby food, tampons, (and maybe something else I cant remember), after that I found it harder to get angary. perhaps Nestle is doing the same?0 -
Look, we are all better off if we have a solid basis for our hysteria...Northern_Al said:
Yes, it's good to have Cicero's thoughtful, considered, informative and non-hysterical posts on the situation, isn't it Leon?Leon said:
Invaluable reportage. ThankyouCicero said:Just arrived in a very spring like Cambridge for a Baltic event here.
I came from Tallinn via Warsaw over the weekend and the situation in Poland is quite a bit different from that I had imagined. Firstly there are Ukrainians EVERYWHERE in Warsaw. There are quite a few Ukrainian flags in Tallinn, but in Warsaw they can be seen in every context from car flags to paint designs. Almost everyone is wearing a gold and blue ribbon. Of course there are quite a few Ukrainian registered cars in Warsaw too, hardly a surprise since there are now nearly 3 million Ukrainians in Poland. The news is 100% wall-to-wall on Ukraine, there is almost literally nothing else. The Poles are very emotional about it. I was there when the concert with the little Ukrainian girl was broadcast and I am not sure, but the viewing figures must have been enormous. The pictures of Kharkiv and Mariupol carry a deep and intense resonance for Varsovians in particular. The Poles are angry and not a little scared, but most of all they are contemptuous: "What else can you expect from such barbarians?". Russia, is now hated and despised.The precipitate collapse of the Russian economy has made Poland suggest that it should now take the place of Russia in the G-20, since on several measures it now has a larger economy that the Russian Federation.
Coming to London and seeing the rather insipid displays of support for the beleagured Ukrainian nation has actually been slightly restful, since the intensity of feeling in Poland is so strong that it is almost difficult to take. The calm and phlegmatic Estonians doubtless feel just as stongly, but they are more diffident about showing intense feelings.
The NATO defence planning for the Baltic, despite the poor preformance of the Russian forces has unquestionably been taken to a new level. The idea of "trip wire", token forces has now been comprehensively abandonned and there is little doubt at the Estonian level, there will be full reinforcement. Tallinn expects the NATO/Russia basic agreement ot be denounced, and certainly there rotation of Uk troops will not now be made for many months.
We still cannot tell what the outcome of this shocking and barbaric Russian campaign will be, but for as long as the Ukrainians are in the fight, the propsects for Russia are growing dim indeed. There is little doubt that any Belarusian troops sent into Ukraine would either surrender immediately of even defect to the Ukrainian side, so it is hardly surprising the Lukashenka is looking like a man very much caught between two stools. While Russian passive resistence faces appalling repression, the campaign in Belarus is growing.
In the end I think it may be the fate of the Chechens that decides this. Their troops are hated and feared on their own side, so the loss of so many Chechen troops early in the campaign robbed the Russian commanders of a weapon to drive their troops forward. The Loss of Kadyrov would likewise be a very severe blow to Putin.1 -
MaxPB said:
Time for everyone to set fire to their nearest Renault.
I am not sure this site was set up to incite arson and vandalism.Leon said:
Actually a few big fat “Z”s painted on Renaults might make the point quite wellMaxPB said:Time for everyone to set fire to their nearest Renault.
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COVID Summary
- Cases - UP. R Is flat or falling across regions and ages. NI is slightly up, though it is below 1. Scotland is very close to 1
- In hospital - UP
- MV beds - Slightly UP? need more data to be sure
- Admissions - UP. R seems stable at 1.1 or so.
- Deaths - Flat
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Having seen a few videos of Russians showing prices in supermarkets, P&G won't even be flogging many boxes of the likes of Pampers...cost several weeks wages for your average Russian.BigRich said:
Does anybody know if Nestle have stopped any bissness in Russia?rottenborough said:I've stopped buying Alpro soya milk as I believe it is a Nestle brand.
Sticking to Lidl's own brand now.
A few days ago there was a bad mood when it was reported that Procter and Gamble where still operating in Russia, then a spokesperson explained that they had stopped selling everything but baby food, tampons, (and maybe something else I cant remember), after that I found it harder to get angary. perhaps Nestle is doing the same?1 -
If enough western companies continue to do business in Russia then the sanctions will fail. It’s as simple as that
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You work really hard on these – for which I'm thankful – I have found them useful. But do we think there will come a time soon when they will become background noise? Maybe weekly govt updates rather than daily? I rarely examine them these days.Malmesbury said:UK R
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Is there a list of companies refusing to cease trading in Russia?
Carter Ruck?
Don't think there is a definitive list, but stories seem to update every few days eg
https://www.nationalworld.com/news/world/western-companies-operating-russia-nestle-marks-spencer-burger-king-trading-decision-explained-36183770 -
Yes I agree. A brief daily summary and then a weekly analysis would now sufficeAnabobazina said:
You work really hard on these – for which I'm thankful – I have found them useful. But do we think there will come a time soon when they will become background noise? Maybe weekly govt updates rather than daily? I rarely examine them these days.Malmesbury said:UK R
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Yes I've been to both – there really is no comparison. Nu Highbury is a decent ground but it's simply not in the same class as White Hart Lane. And as for facilities: I can tell you haven't been to White Hart Lane, it is better by an order of magnitude in terms of catering and fan experience away from pitchside.tlg86 said:
Have you been to both? I still haven't been to Tottenham due to COVID postponing our game there, but will be going in May.Anabobazina said:
White Hart Lane is a vastly superior ground, so there's that. Better atmosphere, bigger, much better facilities all round.tlg86 said:If it's a choice between Emirates and White Hart Lane for the second London stadium, then it's perhaps a tighter call than you might expect:
Things in favour of White Hart Lane: 2,500 more seats, it's newer so it's got more mod-cons.
Things in favour of Emirates: quite a bit more corporate capacity, it's not in a shithole, it has better travel connections.
I'm not sure atmosphere counts for much, but for what it's worth, I don't think I've experienced a better atmosphere than the Emirates on a special European night (TM).0 -
Deaths will probably start going up soon. The noise from iSage will rise in volume.Anabobazina said:
You work really hard on these – for which I'm thankful – I have found them useful. But do we think there will come a time soon when they will become background noise? Maybe weekly govt updates rather than daily? I rarely examine them these days.Malmesbury said:UK R
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I would not stake my life or reputation on it. and there are bound to be some errors. but I think it may be right ball park. people doubted their clamed number of dead Russians, right up until last nights revelation shoed it to be approximately correct. for some reason the Russians are now flying a lot more missions than at the start of the war, there may be many reasons that contribute to this, but I think it likely that a) a lot have been shot down already, b) Russians know there is a good chance that any plan that flies might get shot down, are 2 of these reasons. but they would only be big reasons if the Ukrainians had shot down about as many as they clamed.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Yes, that is the Ukrainian claim -100 fixed wing aircraft defeated, total.BigRich said:
For clarity, that will be their 100 fixed wing aircraft, that they have shot down in total, and happens to be over Mariupol. ?williamglenn said:Ukraine is claiming they've shot down their 100th Russian aircraft over Mariupol.
I don't think they have clamed to shoot down 100 aircraft over Mariupol on its own, and they clamed to have destroyed over 100 helicopters a few days ago.
For reference, IIRC, the Russians started with 350 ish fixed wing aircraft and 500 helicopters assigned to this war according to western intelligence estimates.
However the figure is widely doubted.0 -
Things are still moving on this.Leon said:
Yes I agree. A brief daily summary and then a weekly analysis would now sufficeAnabobazina said:
You work really hard on these – for which I'm thankful – I have found them useful. But do we think there will come a time soon when they will become background noise? Maybe weekly govt updates rather than daily? I rarely examine them these days.Malmesbury said:UK R
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But many thanks @Malmesbury for all the sterling work
EDIT: Plus some posters start their drinking based on when I post these.3 -
Fascinating. And argument conceded.Cookie said:
Well yes, but my quibble is with 'Greater Newcastle'. You wouldn't call Bradford part of Greater Leeds, or Coventry part of Greater Birmingham. Greater Manchester is ok because Manchester City Centre (or in planning speak 'the regional centre' so that we also include Central Salford, Salford Quays and a bit of Trafford) outweighs Oldham, Stockport, Rochdale etc to a much bigger degree than Newcastle does to Sunderland, Leeds does to Bradford or Birmingham does to Coventry.Anabobazina said:
Indeed – the fact that they share the same Tube network, have the same telephone code and you can drive 'between' them without ever encountering countryside is something of a dead giveaway...LostPassword said:
I once stayed in a hotel in Wearside while working at a client in Tyneside - didn't notice passport control between the two!Cookie said:
The Metro area which includes both Sunderland and Newcastle is 'Tyne and Wear' - it has certainly been true in my lifetime that Sunderland was bigger than Newcastle (though Tyneside, the core of which is Newcastle, has always been bigger than Wearside).Anabobazina said:
Both are simple statements of fact.Cookie said:
Anabobz being uncharacteristically uncaring of provincial sensibilities here - *Greater Newcastle*? I can hear the splutters of Mackem indignation from here. And 'Nottingham is a far better city than Leicester'? FWIW I probably agree, but that's a casually lobbed hand grenade if I ever I saw one.Anabobazina said:
The City Ground should have 38,000 seats by then and will be bigger than the King Power. And Nottingham is a far better city than Leicester so I think it might get the nod again (as in 1996) assuming Forest confirm that the redevelopment will be complete by 2028. But it's a close call, as you say.tlg86 said:
Nailed on:Anabobazina said:
Stupid mistake by me! Now added...ping said:
I think ROI probably deserve another stadium. Cork or Galway, perhaps?Anabobazina said:Have we done this? https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/22/uk-and-republic-of-ireland-in-line-to-host-euro-2028-after-no-one-else-bids
Would be absolutely fantastic news. It's likely to be 32 teams so we'll need a lot of stadiums in great cities. Here's my recommendations:
• Wembley, London
• White Hart Lane, London
• Old Trafford, Manchester
• Parkhead, Glasgow (preferred to Hampden, better stadium)
• Murrayfield, Edinburgh
• Anfield, Liverpool
• Millennium, Cardiff
• Lansdowne Road, Dublin
• City Ground (extended), Nottingham
• St James' Park, Newcastle
• Windsor Park, Belfast
• Elland Road, Leeds
• Bramhall Lane, Sheffield (preferred to Hillsborough as closer to city centre?)
• Falmer, Brighton (maybe)
• Villa Park, Birmingham
Also, Villa Park. You can’t leave out Britains second city…
• Wembley, London
• White Hart Lane, London
• Old Trafford, Manchester
• Parkhead, Glasgow (preferred to Hampden, better stadium)
• Murrayfield, Edinburgh
• Anfield, Liverpool
• Millennium, Cardiff
• Lansdowne Road, Dublin
• City Ground (extended), Nottingham
• St James' Park, Newcastle
• Windsor Park, Belfast
• Elland Road, Leeds
• Bramhall Lane, Sheffield (preferred to Hillsborough as closer to city centre?)
• Falmer, Brighton (maybe)
• Villa Park, Birmingham
Wembley
Old Trafford (assuming it isn't being rebuilt...)
Aviva (Dublin)
Principality (Cardiff)
St James's Park
Villa Park (hopefully this will be 50,000 by 2028)
And at least one in Scotland. I suspect Hampden would get the nod and then hopefully Murrayfield is also used.
I think it would be fair enough to use another venue in London given it serves a big population. Could Twickenham be an option given it has 20,000 more seats than WHL?
And I wouldn't rule out the Etihad being used and I wouldn't be surprised if the Stadium of Light is used.
Elland Road and Hillsborough need some TLC, but I'd like to see both used. If they rebuild the Leppings Lane End at Hillsborough, they can get that up to 45,000.
East Midlands is tricky. I think Leicester is more likely than Nottingham. It wouldn't be too difficult to add a second tier to some of the ground to make it 40,000+. Same goes for Southampton.
Re: Stadium of Light, do you think they will have two in Greater Newcastle? As you say St James' Park is a certainty.
Good point about Twickenham, but sure WHL will be in there? London could probably have three as they are all far enough apart from each other?
Now I'm not aware that there is any definition of 'Greater Newcastle' in the UK (though there is one in Australia) - but surely Greater Newcastle = Tyneside urban area. And Tyneside urban area does have a(n ONS) definition. And it doesn't include Sunderland.
This list is relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_United_Kingdom
This isn't my fight, by the way, except in the sense that all quibbles of geographical pedantry are my fight.
I'd have thought that any analysis of how people move around the area for work or leisure would see the two as part of a cohesive whole.
EDIT: Travel to Work Areas show Sunderland separate from Newcastle in a way that Greater Manchester's outlying towns are not separate from Manchester.
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I've eaten in the Diamond Club at the Emirates, which seemed alright.Anabobazina said:
Yes I've been to both – there really is no comparison. Nu Highbury is a decent ground but it's simply not in the same class as White Hart Lane. And as for facilities: I can tell you haven't been to White Hart Lane, it is better by an order of magnitude in terms of catering and fan experience away from pitchside.tlg86 said:
Have you been to both? I still haven't been to Tottenham due to COVID postponing our game there, but will be going in May.Anabobazina said:
White Hart Lane is a vastly superior ground, so there's that. Better atmosphere, bigger, much better facilities all round.tlg86 said:If it's a choice between Emirates and White Hart Lane for the second London stadium, then it's perhaps a tighter call than you might expect:
Things in favour of White Hart Lane: 2,500 more seats, it's newer so it's got more mod-cons.
Things in favour of Emirates: quite a bit more corporate capacity, it's not in a shithole, it has better travel connections.
I'm not sure atmosphere counts for much, but for what it's worth, I don't think I've experienced a better atmosphere than the Emirates on a special European night (TM).
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We don't have low taxes, or light regulation. We're in the top 20% of countries by tax take (see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_to_GDP_ratio), and that was before Rishi's latest grab.Gardenwalker said:
We already have (give it or take) low taxes and light regulation. We’ve had it for 40 years. World beating even.Fishing said:
I agree with your last sentence, and I'm happy with more nationwide infrastructure spending.Gardenwalker said:
Not true though.Fishing said:
The last thing regions whose economies are already 70% government spending need is more government. They need larger, flourishing private sectors, not public spending crowding out free enterprise.Cyclefree said:Having a birthday break. At the risk of going all @Leon on you, this is the view from our room. 19 degrees (!) when we left this morning.
BTW Gove's department is looking for a non-executive director. The Department for Levelling Up says -
"Location: Board meetings are usually held in London and recently have followed a hybrid model, with some attendees being present in person and others joining remotely. In future they may also take place outside London depending on wider circumstances."
Honestly. They may as well say "Outside London Here Be Dragons".
If they're serious about levelling up, basing people in the places that need levelling up might be a start, you'd have thought.
The UK government had historically put fuck all R&D or infrastructure spending into the regions…and private sector investment correlates very well with public.
What *is* true is that outside the SE (and Scotland), the regions are effectively subsidised welfare colonies.
But moving the Dept of Leveling Up meetings there isn't exactly building a new railway.
The way to level up is through low taxes, light regulation and good infrastructure. That will bring prosperity to our poorer regions. Yet more welfare spending and yet more empty gestures won't.
That’s why it’s so farcical that Rishi has suggested that it’s how he’s going restore prosperity.
What we haven’t done is pursue any kind of industrial / regional policy.
Nor do we have light regulation - ours is significantly worse than Germany, the US, Australia or Sweden (though better than France or Italy) - at least according to the World Bank: https://tcdata360.worldbank.org/indicators/govt.regu?indicator=689&viz=line_chart&years=2007,2017. Our planning laws are a disgrace and our tax code is ridiculous. Those are where any decent industrial or productivity policy would start.1 -
Already on it:Malmesbury said:
Deaths will probably start going up soon. The noise from iSage will rise in volume.Anabobazina said:
You work really hard on these – for which I'm thankful – I have found them useful. But do we think there will come a time soon when they will become background noise? Maybe weekly govt updates rather than daily? I rarely examine them these days.Malmesbury said:UK R
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Prof. Christina Pagel 🇺🇦
@chrischirp
Was on
@SkyNewsBreak
earlier discussing the latest Covid wave - talked about what these regular large waves might mean and that we need to discuss it.
And also emphasised that I have *not* thrown away my (FFP2) masks! 1/4
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People stop drinking at some point?Malmesbury said:
Things are still moving on this.Leon said:
Yes I agree. A brief daily summary and then a weekly analysis would now sufficeAnabobazina said:
You work really hard on these – for which I'm thankful – I have found them useful. But do we think there will come a time soon when they will become background noise? Maybe weekly govt updates rather than daily? I rarely examine them these days.Malmesbury said:UK R
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I'm guessing 12 as that was standard for 32-team World Cups.TheWhiteRabbit said:
How many stadiums are we aiming for here? I understand the desire to spread them out, but I could imagine cost/organisation being a factor.Applicant said:
They won't have more than two in London. I can't find a link right now but I'm pretty sure UEFA have said in bid documents in the past that two stadiums in one city is the maximum.LostPassword said:
I was thinking of New Highbury and New White Hart Lane in addition to Wembley.Anabobazina said:
By "two north London stadiums" I can only assume you mean Wembley and White Hart Lane?LostPassword said:
I think there are enough good association football stadiums in London that they won't call upon Twickenham. They'd want to keep the money within association football.Anabobazina said:MaxPB said:
Nah, shit atmosphere for football. The two best London venues are WHL and Wembley.Sunil_Prasannan said:
You forgot the London Stadium.Anabobazina said:Have we done this? https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/22/uk-and-republic-of-ireland-in-line-to-host-euro-2028-after-no-one-else-bids
Would be absolutely fantastic news. It's likely to be 32 teams so we'll need a lot of stadiums in great cities. Here's my recommendations:
• Wembley, London
• White Hart Lane, London
• Old Trafford, Manchester
• Parkhead, Glasgow (preferred to Hampden, better stadium)
• Murrayfield, Edinburgh
• Anfield, Liverpool
• Millennium, Cardiff
• Lansdowne Road, Dublin
• City Ground (extended), Nottingham
• St James' Park, Newcastle
• Windsor Park, Belfast
• Elland Road, Leeds
• Bramhall Lane, Sheffield (preferred to Hillsborough as closer to city centre?)
• Falmer, Brighton (maybe)
Yes, I can't see London Stadium or Highbury getting the nod. The challenge to White Hart Lane is Twickenham – as @tlg86 points out.
I would think that it will be the two north London club grounds that are used, unless the police kick up a fuss about it.0 -
i believe the Ukrainians post it daily on twitter.Gardenwalker said:Is there a list of companies refusing to cease trading in Russia?
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My old Renault always used to do that on its own..MaxPB said:Time for everyone to set fire to their nearest Renault.
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Only FFP2 mask....I wonder have thought have been rocking the double FFP3 at very least.rottenborough said:
Already on it:Malmesbury said:
Deaths will probably start going up soon. The noise from iSage will rise in volume.Anabobazina said:
You work really hard on these – for which I'm thankful – I have found them useful. But do we think there will come a time soon when they will become background noise? Maybe weekly govt updates rather than daily? I rarely examine them these days.Malmesbury said:UK R
@Malmesbury's annoying graphics removed
Prof. Christina Pagel 🇺🇦
@chrischirp
Was on
@SkyNewsBreak
earlier discussing the latest Covid wave - talked about what these regular large waves might mean and that we need to discuss it.
And also emphasised that I have *not* thrown away my (FFP2) masks! 1/4
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PB is very broad church.....kle4 said:
People stop drinking at some point?Malmesbury said:
Things are still moving on this.Leon said:
Yes I agree. A brief daily summary and then a weekly analysis would now sufficeAnabobazina said:
You work really hard on these – for which I'm thankful – I have found them useful. But do we think there will come a time soon when they will become background noise? Maybe weekly govt updates rather than daily? I rarely examine them these days.Malmesbury said:UK R
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You won’t be hearing back about the outcome for quite some while, then.Cyclefree said:
Am encouraging husband to apply as they say they want someone expert in housing, planning and local government, which he is. Also someone who can challenge. Apparently-Carnyx said:
Quite. Especially given that where you live in the Lake District is about central in the UK. Which is the DLUHC remit (slightly surprisingly as the HC bit is very definitely devolved in Scotland, Wales, and NI, and the financial and regional policy bit also come to think of it).Cyclefree said:Having a birthday break. At the risk of going all @Leon on you, this is the view from our room. 19 degrees (!) when we left this morning.
BTW Gove's department is looking for a non-executive director. The Department for Levelling Up says -
"Location: Board meetings are usually held in London and recently have followed a hybrid model, with some attendees being present in person and others joining remotely. In future they may also take place outside London depending on wider circumstances."
Honestly. They may as well say "Outside London Here Be Dragons".
If they're serious about levelling up, basing people in the places that need levelling up might be a start, you'd have thought.
"The ability to challenge received wisdom, by scrutinising advice and decision making, is the single most important attribute for any candidate".
I'll believe that when I see it, especially with this government.
The head of the interview panel is Sue Gray, whoever she is. I suggested to Himself that he could show the attribute they claim to want by challenging the location of the Board meetings. He laughed.0 -
If Johnson gets to visit Kyiv to the sound of euphoric cheers of, "Boris! Boris! God Save The Queen!" before the local elections in May, would that make the odds on the Tories winning the National Equivalent Vote share massive value?williamglenn said:@JackDetsch
NEW: U.S. has indications that Ukraine is now "able and willing" to take back territory overtaken by the Russian military: senior U.S. defense official
Ukraine's military is now trying to push the Russians out of Izyum, in East Ukraine, and has held Mykolaiv against 🇷🇺 attack.
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An example of Ukrainian marketing:TimT said:
i believe the Ukrainians post it daily on twitter.Gardenwalker said:Is there a list of companies refusing to cease trading in Russia?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOGhKz4XEAAd3y6?format=jpg&name=medium
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Definitely a bit of wave on at moment.
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Apart from having bought a Renault SUV you mean?Eabhal said:Renault SUV owners are in deep trouble.
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There should be no exceptions. To make the point.BigRich said:
Does anybody know if Nestle have stopped any bissness in Russia?rottenborough said:I've stopped buying Alpro soya milk as I believe it is a Nestle brand.
Sticking to Lidl's own brand now.
A few days ago there was a bad mood when it was reported that Procter and Gamble where still operating in Russia, then a spokesperson explained that they had stopped selling everything but baby food, tampons, (and maybe something else I cant remember), after that I found it harder to get angary. perhaps Nestle is doing the same?0 -
French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841
LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.
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Dunno. Baby food is a stretch there.Pensfold said:
There should be no exceptions. To make the point.BigRich said:
Does anybody know if Nestle have stopped any bissness in Russia?rottenborough said:I've stopped buying Alpro soya milk as I believe it is a Nestle brand.
Sticking to Lidl's own brand now.
A few days ago there was a bad mood when it was reported that Procter and Gamble where still operating in Russia, then a spokesperson explained that they had stopped selling everything but baby food, tampons, (and maybe something else I cant remember), after that I found it harder to get angary. perhaps Nestle is doing the same?0 -
Yep - I just looked it up and sawFrancisUrquhart said:RSC1000 - JSC АvtoVAZ - The company is owned by Lada Auto Holding, in which French Groupe Renault holds a controlling 67.61% stake (In September 2017, Nissan sold its AvtoVAZ stake to Renault for €45 million).
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As a matter of interest, I don't know if you answered this and I missed it: How do you sort the council areas in the tables? Mine is usually quite close to the top of the red list but middle third in the blue.Malmesbury said:
Things are still moving on this.Leon said:
Yes I agree. A brief daily summary and then a weekly analysis would now sufficeAnabobazina said:
You work really hard on these – for which I'm thankful – I have found them useful. But do we think there will come a time soon when they will become background noise? Maybe weekly govt updates rather than daily? I rarely examine them these days.Malmesbury said:UK R
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Even as Leroy Merlin’s store in Kyiv was bombed by the Russians, killing an employeewilliamglenn said:French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841
LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.
Inhumane, harrowing greed.
The shamelessness is astounding
Imagine if Marks and Sparks decided to expand trade in Russia even as its Kharkiv branch was shelled, slaughtering a cashier
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In fairness, with globalisation trying to keep up with who owns who is a full time job. Pretty much every week I find out some brand is actually now owned by somebody I didn't realise.rcs1000 said:
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I've found the UK to be lower regulation than either France or the US, and on par with Germany (which is much lower regulation than I had expected). I don't have any experience with Italy (thank goodness).Fishing said:
We don't have low taxes, or light regulation. We're in the top 20% of countries by tax take (see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_to_GDP_ratio), and that was before Rishi's latest grab.Gardenwalker said:
We already have (give it or take) low taxes and light regulation. We’ve had it for 40 years. World beating even.Fishing said:
I agree with your last sentence, and I'm happy with more nationwide infrastructure spending.Gardenwalker said:
Not true though.Fishing said:
The last thing regions whose economies are already 70% government spending need is more government. They need larger, flourishing private sectors, not public spending crowding out free enterprise.Cyclefree said:Having a birthday break. At the risk of going all @Leon on you, this is the view from our room. 19 degrees (!) when we left this morning.
BTW Gove's department is looking for a non-executive director. The Department for Levelling Up says -
"Location: Board meetings are usually held in London and recently have followed a hybrid model, with some attendees being present in person and others joining remotely. In future they may also take place outside London depending on wider circumstances."
Honestly. They may as well say "Outside London Here Be Dragons".
If they're serious about levelling up, basing people in the places that need levelling up might be a start, you'd have thought.
The UK government had historically put fuck all R&D or infrastructure spending into the regions…and private sector investment correlates very well with public.
What *is* true is that outside the SE (and Scotland), the regions are effectively subsidised welfare colonies.
But moving the Dept of Leveling Up meetings there isn't exactly building a new railway.
The way to level up is through low taxes, light regulation and good infrastructure. That will bring prosperity to our poorer regions. Yet more welfare spending and yet more empty gestures won't.
That’s why it’s so farcical that Rishi has suggested that it’s how he’s going restore prosperity.
What we haven’t done is pursue any kind of industrial / regional policy.
Nor do we have light regulation - ours is significantly worse than Germany, the US, Australia or Sweden (though better than France or Italy) - at least according to the World Bank: https://tcdata360.worldbank.org/indicators/govt.regu?indicator=689&viz=line_chart&years=2007,2017. Our planning laws are a disgrace and our tax code is ridiculous. Those are where any decent industrial or productivity policy would start.0 -
Not that I needed another reason to not buy bottled water, but good to know.TimT said:0 -
WHL is the better stadium, but the transport links are *much* better at the Emirates/Highbury - you have multiple tube lines, great bus services, and even the rail.Anabobazina said:
Yes I've been to both – there really is no comparison. Nu Highbury is a decent ground but it's simply not in the same class as White Hart Lane. And as for facilities: I can tell you haven't been to White Hart Lane, it is better by an order of magnitude in terms of catering and fan experience away from pitchside.tlg86 said:
Have you been to both? I still haven't been to Tottenham due to COVID postponing our game there, but will be going in May.Anabobazina said:
White Hart Lane is a vastly superior ground, so there's that. Better atmosphere, bigger, much better facilities all round.tlg86 said:If it's a choice between Emirates and White Hart Lane for the second London stadium, then it's perhaps a tighter call than you might expect:
Things in favour of White Hart Lane: 2,500 more seats, it's newer so it's got more mod-cons.
Things in favour of Emirates: quite a bit more corporate capacity, it's not in a shithole, it has better travel connections.
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Sum the values in the columns - bit crude, but there you are.Applicant said:
As a matter of interest, I don't know if you answered this and I missed it: How do you sort the council areas in the tables? Mine is usually quite close to the top of the red list but middle third in the blue.Malmesbury said:
Things are still moving on this.Leon said:
Yes I agree. A brief daily summary and then a weekly analysis would now sufficeAnabobazina said:
You work really hard on these – for which I'm thankful – I have found them useful. But do we think there will come a time soon when they will become background noise? Maybe weekly govt updates rather than daily? I rarely examine them these days.Malmesbury said:UK R
@Malmesbury's annoying graphics removed
But many thanks @Malmesbury for all the sterling work
EDIT: Plus some posters start their drinking based on when I post these.
The absolute case table (red) has to be read with a bit of caution, because the sizes of the LTLA areas vary alot.
R (bleu) is very useful because it shows trends. At the moment, it seems that R is falling in many areas, suggesting that we will soon see the peak of BA.21 -
What on earth is going on with France and sanction busting ?Leon said:
Even as Leroy Merlin’s store in Kyiv was bombed by the Russians, killing an employeewilliamglenn said:French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841
LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.
Inhumane, harrowing greed.
The shamelessness is astounding
Imagine if Marks and Sparks decided to expand trade in Russia even as its Kharkiv branch was shelled, slaughtering a cashier
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DACOP ping-pong now happening in the Lords.1
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Loads of kids at my 9yo's school have had it including my own son. He had a croaky throat on Thursday tested positive on Friday morning. By Sunday morning he was negative and back at school on Monday. Nothing worse than a slight sore throat and a runny nose. He had previously had Delta in the Autumn.rottenborough said:Anecdotally, I am hearing a lot of family, mates extended families, old work colleagues, friends of friends etc etc who are coming down with omicron at moment.
Definitely a bit of wave on at moment.
So far my wife and I (triple jabbed and Delta in the Autumn), the 13yo (double Pfizer) and 4yo did not get it. Everyone I have heard of getting it either were an adult who had not had Covid before (but jabbed) or an unvaccinated child. My 86yo father-in-law went out with 6 friends of a similar age for lunch a couple of weeks ago. All except him got Covid in the next few days but none worse than a cold.
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French foreign policy has long been transactional and financially oriented - why are you surprised?Big_G_NorthWales said:
What on earth is going on with France and sanction busting ?Leon said:
Even as Leroy Merlin’s store in Kyiv was bombed by the Russians, killing an employeewilliamglenn said:French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841
LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.
Inhumane, harrowing greed.
The shamelessness is astounding
Imagine if Marks and Sparks decided to expand trade in Russia even as its Kharkiv branch was shelled, slaughtering a cashier
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Yeah but they impounded a yacht, so its all ok....back to complaining about the British sanctions all being too lax...Malmesbury said:
French foreign policy has long been transactional and financially oriented - why are you surprised?Big_G_NorthWales said:
What on earth is going on with France and sanction busting ?Leon said:
Even as Leroy Merlin’s store in Kyiv was bombed by the Russians, killing an employeewilliamglenn said:French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841
LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.
Inhumane, harrowing greed.
The shamelessness is astounding
Imagine if Marks and Sparks decided to expand trade in Russia even as its Kharkiv branch was shelled, slaughtering a cashier
Goes to show the spinelessness of French media and social media as well. No british company doing this would survive the outrage
Oligarch says he ditched mansions before sanctions
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So much for EU solidarityMalmesbury said:
French foreign policy has long been transactional and financially oriented - why are you surprised?Big_G_NorthWales said:
What on earth is going on with France and sanction busting ?Leon said:
Even as Leroy Merlin’s store in Kyiv was bombed by the Russians, killing an employeewilliamglenn said:French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841
LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.
Inhumane, harrowing greed.
The shamelessness is astounding
Imagine if Marks and Sparks decided to expand trade in Russia even as its Kharkiv branch was shelled, slaughtering a cashier
Goes to show the spinelessness of French media and social media as well. No british company doing this would survive the outrage0 -
It is bizarre as well because one of the key things Macron was supposed to use to his advantage was the closeness of Le Pen / Zemmour with Putin. The actions of French companies undercuts that message.Big_G_NorthWales said:
What on earth is going on with France and sanction busting ?Leon said:
Even as Leroy Merlin’s store in Kyiv was bombed by the Russians, killing an employeewilliamglenn said:French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841
LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.
Inhumane, harrowing greed.
The shamelessness is astounding
Imagine if Marks and Sparks decided to expand trade in Russia even as its Kharkiv branch was shelled, slaughtering a cashier
Goes to show the spinelessness of French media and social media as well. No british company doing this would survive the outrage
One slight point to note though - historically, France had very close business and finance links with Russia, at least pre-WW1. Russia has always been seen as a land of opportunity (though obviously less than 100+ years ago)0 -
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She forgot to explain it wasn’t the British government illegally imprisoning her, but the Iranians holding her as hostage as leverage for payment in a business venture they felt they were due - like something straight out 1001 and 1 nights!kle4 said:
The bots have to find some real idiots to mimic.Theuniondivvie said:Is this a Russian bot seeking to divide Britain?
Following on from other day, I’m still more than happy to say this wasn’t a legitimate debt, a debt with a previous government over thrown by terrorist means? You calling that a legitimate debt with the new regimes as bad as this one? Are you calling the US wrong for saying UK dumbass for paying hostage demands, bunging the bad boys the money that only makes them worse?
If you are saying we definitely need Iranian oil deals, I’ve yet to be convinced. Thinking this crisis forward, we would rather buy post Putin Russian oil than Iranian would we not? Say, like Mandela was released and formed government, Navalny was released post Putin, and with Solidarnost and Yashin formed government, we would be mad to have a Cold War with them? mad not to flood them with business and wealth to make them a success? we need to think ahead and keep our options open, not tie ourselves down too much in this moment?0 -
That's not quite true.Leon said:If enough western companies continue to do business in Russia then the sanctions will fail. It’s as simple as that
So any company still in Russia is complicit in Russia remaining in the Ukraine, slaughtering people, and possibly winning the war
The sanctions prohibit the export of goods to Russia, they do not prohibit the subsidiaries of Western firms from operating in Russia.
And that is true of UK, Swiss, EU and US sanctions.
However, most subsidiaries - like P&G - are selling imported goods. They therefore might as well close down most of their operations in Russia, as they will have very little to sell.
Any Russian manufacturing that is dependent on the import of components - unless those components are solely sourceable from China - will therefore grind to a halt once once inventories are exhausted.
The biggest component issues that Russia will face will be of complex electronics. The question - really - is the willingness of the Chinese to renege on contractual obligations and sell, for example, ARM based chips to Russian clients. How the Chinese government sways on this will tell us an awful lot.0 -
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Question I asked down thread.....do the likes of Renault rely on ARM based chips for production? I would guess they are used for the info-tainment system at the very least.rcs1000 said:
That's not quite true.Leon said:If enough western companies continue to do business in Russia then the sanctions will fail. It’s as simple as that
So any company still in Russia is complicit in Russia remaining in the Ukraine, slaughtering people, and possibly winning the war
The sanctions prohibit the export of goods to Russia, they do not prohibit the subsidiaries of Western firms from operating in Russia.
And that is true of UK, Swiss, EU and US sanctions.
However, most subsidiaries - like P&G - are selling imported goods. They therefore might as well close down most of their operations in Russia, as they will have very little to sell.
Any Russian manufacturing that is dependent on the import of components - unless those components are solely sourceable from China - will therefore grind to a halt once once inventories are exhausted.
The biggest component issues that Russia will face will be of complex electronics. The question - really - is the willingness of the Chinese to renege on contractual obligations and sell, for example, ARM based chips to Russian clients. How the Chinese government sways on this will tell us an awful lot.0 -
To make it worse it seems like this was all coordinated and authorised by Macron. According to the Italian press, he gave a green light to big French multinationalsBig_G_NorthWales said:
What on earth is going on with France and sanction busting ?Leon said:
Even as Leroy Merlin’s store in Kyiv was bombed by the Russians, killing an employeewilliamglenn said:French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841
LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.
Inhumane, harrowing greed.
The shamelessness is astounding
Imagine if Marks and Sparks decided to expand trade in Russia even as its Kharkiv branch was shelled, slaughtering a cashier
Goes to show the spinelessness of French media and social media as well. No british company doing this would survive the outrage
Fuck the French. And they dare to lecture us about some silly speech!
At least now we have an explanation for Macron’s loooooong phone calls with Putin. They were discussing the new sites for French supermarkets, replacing IKEA
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They will be sending armour plated Ladas to the front line....to be honest their tanks are so crap against Western weapons, they might as well be a Lada.MrEd said:Not sure if this has been flagged:
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/15061133791187640330 -
I would be staggered if there weren't ARM powered components (of some kind) in pretty much every production motor vehicle.FrancisUrquhart said:
Question I asked down thread.....do the likes of Renault rely on ARM based chips for production? I would guess they are used for the info-tainment system at the very least.rcs1000 said:
That's not quite true.Leon said:If enough western companies continue to do business in Russia then the sanctions will fail. It’s as simple as that
So any company still in Russia is complicit in Russia remaining in the Ukraine, slaughtering people, and possibly winning the war
The sanctions prohibit the export of goods to Russia, they do not prohibit the subsidiaries of Western firms from operating in Russia.
And that is true of UK, Swiss, EU and US sanctions.
However, most subsidiaries - like P&G - are selling imported goods. They therefore might as well close down most of their operations in Russia, as they will have very little to sell.
Any Russian manufacturing that is dependent on the import of components - unless those components are solely sourceable from China - will therefore grind to a halt once once inventories are exhausted.
The biggest component issues that Russia will face will be of complex electronics. The question - really - is the willingness of the Chinese to renege on contractual obligations and sell, for example, ARM based chips to Russian clients. How the Chinese government sways on this will tell us an awful lot.
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Ha! UK has a government weaponising the war, weaponising the horror we are seeing and feeling to boost their parties poll ratings! Surely you agree that is just as disgusting?Big_G_NorthWales said:
So much for EU solidarityMalmesbury said:
French foreign policy has long been transactional and financially oriented - why are you surprised?Big_G_NorthWales said:
What on earth is going on with France and sanction busting ?Leon said:
Even as Leroy Merlin’s store in Kyiv was bombed by the Russians, killing an employeewilliamglenn said:French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841
LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.
Inhumane, harrowing greed.
The shamelessness is astounding
Imagine if Marks and Sparks decided to expand trade in Russia even as its Kharkiv branch was shelled, slaughtering a cashier
Goes to show the spinelessness of French media and social media as well. No british company doing this would survive the outrage
“"And it's an absolutely incredible fact - and it's true - at a time when Russia is being led by a president who is capable of bullying and threats who's plainly capable of making dangerous and irrational decisions, we have a Labour Party whose shadow cabinet is stuffed with people who only recently voted to abolish the UK's independent nuclear deterrent. That's right. Eight of them.
"Do we want them in charge, my friends, at this moment? Do we want them running up the white flag? Do you see them standing up to Putin's blackmail?"
If that’s not taking the horror we see coming out of Ukraine, and weaponising that horror to boost his own and his party’s electoral ratings, right now, in the midst of this horror and international crisis, then what is?
Maybe a couple of years after the end, learning from experience, at height of a rally in a election campaign can make such points. But right now, with supermarkets targeted and blown up in front of us? Really?
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Hungary also firmly against sanctioning Russian energy exports and all Polish ideas on NFZs and other military assistance to Ukraine.Big_G_NorthWales said:
So much for EU solidarityMalmesbury said:
French foreign policy has long been transactional and financially oriented - why are you surprised?Big_G_NorthWales said:
What on earth is going on with France and sanction busting ?Leon said:
Even as Leroy Merlin’s store in Kyiv was bombed by the Russians, killing an employeewilliamglenn said:French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841
LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.
Inhumane, harrowing greed.
The shamelessness is astounding
Imagine if Marks and Sparks decided to expand trade in Russia even as its Kharkiv branch was shelled, slaughtering a cashier
Goes to show the spinelessness of French media and social media as well. No british company doing this would survive the outrage0 -
A grim picture painted by the Greek consul who recently managed to escape from Mariupol. The Russian strategy seems to be completely destroy it as a working or viable city, even if all the buildings aren't destroyed.
"When I saw the buildings of Mariupolis burning and collapsing, I said they will rebuild them in the future. When I saw the sunken ships in the port, I thought they would be able to relaunch them at some point, and new they could sail in the Azofic and the Black Sea. But when I saw yesterday the beastly and "weightless" industrial factory Azovstal collapsing, something else caught me. This workshop, like the port, was city life. There were around 40,000 workers in the workplace - some would say the working class - and it has been operating continually since the 1930s. A few years ago, investments of 6 billion were announced. for expansion and environmental improvements.
Mariupol is no more. I hope that at least the original ordinance of Catherine the Great, which was in the city museum, has been saved, and with which the reconstruction of the Greeks of Crimea in the region became. At least to remind us that once there was a city. "
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Awaiting Scott n Paste to come on and start linking to tweets blaming this on Brexit....Leon said:
To make it worse it seems like this was all coordinated and authorised by Macron. According to the Italian press, he gave a green light to big French multinationalsBig_G_NorthWales said:
What on earth is going on with France and sanction busting ?Leon said:
Even as Leroy Merlin’s store in Kyiv was bombed by the Russians, killing an employeewilliamglenn said:French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841
LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.
Inhumane, harrowing greed.
The shamelessness is astounding
Imagine if Marks and Sparks decided to expand trade in Russia even as its Kharkiv branch was shelled, slaughtering a cashier
Goes to show the spinelessness of French media and social media as well. No british company doing this would survive the outrage
Fuck the French. And they dare to lecture us about some silly speech!
At least now we have an explanation for Macron’s loooooong phone calls with Putin. They were discussing the new sites for French supermarkets, replacing IKEA7 -
The other day on Sky News, their independent military bloke used the figure of 80% of residential areas had been badly damaged or destroyed.WhisperingOracle said:A grim picture painted by the greek consul who managed to escape from Mariupol. The Russian strategy seems to be completely destroy it as a working or viable city, even if all the buildings aren't destroyed.
"When I saw the buildings of Mariupolis burning and collapsing, I said they will rebuild them in the future. When I saw the sunken ships in the port, I thought they would be able to hang them at some point, and new they could sail in the Azofic and the Black Sea. But when I saw yesterday the beastly and "weightless" industrial factory Azovstal collapsing, something else caught me. This workshop, like the port, was city life. There were around 40,000 workers in the workplace - some would say from the working class - and it has been operating continually since the 1930s. A few years ago, investments of 6 billion were announced. for expansion and environmental improvements.
Mariupol is no more. I hope that at least the original ordinance of Catherine the Great, which was in the city museum, has been saved, and with which the reconstruction of the Greeks of Crimea in the region became. At least to remind us that once there was a city. "0 -
I am sure I read somewhere, at some point in history the main language spoken in Petersburg was French.MrEd said:
It is bizarre as well because one of the key things Macron was supposed to use to his advantage was the closeness of Le Pen / Zemmour with Putin. The actions of French companies undercuts that message.Big_G_NorthWales said:
What on earth is going on with France and sanction busting ?Leon said:
Even as Leroy Merlin’s store in Kyiv was bombed by the Russians, killing an employeewilliamglenn said:French retailer Leroy Merlin announced that they were expanding in Russia to benefit from other brands pulling out. This was the Ukrainian Defence Ministry's response:
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1505872338037923841
LEROY MERLIN became the first company in the world to finance the bombing of its own stores and killing its own employees.
Inhumane, harrowing greed.
The shamelessness is astounding
Imagine if Marks and Sparks decided to expand trade in Russia even as its Kharkiv branch was shelled, slaughtering a cashier
Goes to show the spinelessness of French media and social media as well. No british company doing this would survive the outrage
One slight point to note though - historically, France had very close business and finance links with Russia, at least pre-WW1. Russia has always been seen as a land of opportunity (though obviously less than 100+ years ago)0 -
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The Americans said similar after the French Revolution. They refused to pay any more of the debts incurred for French support in their own Revolution on the basis they were owed personally to Louis XVI.MoonRabbit said:
She forgot to explain it wasn’t the British government illegally imprisoning her, but the Iranians holding her as hostage as leverage for payment in a business venture they felt they were due - like something straight out 1001 and 1 nights!kle4 said:
The bots have to find some real idiots to mimic.Theuniondivvie said:Is this a Russian bot seeking to divide Britain?
Following on from other day, I’m still more than happy to say this wasn’t a legitimate debt, a debt with a previous government over thrown by terrorist means? You calling that a legitimate debt with the new regimes as bad as this one? Are you calling the US wrong for saying UK dumbass for paying hostage demands, bunging the bad boys the money that only makes them worse?
If you are saying we definitely need Iranian oil deals, I’ve yet to be convinced. Thinking this crisis forward, we would rather buy post Putin Russian oil than Iranian would we not? Say, like Mandela was released and formed government, Navalny was released post Putin, and with Solidarnost and Yashin formed government, we would be mad to have a Cold War with them? mad not to flood them with business and wealth to make them a success? we need to think ahead and keep our options open, not tie ourselves down too much in this moment?1 -
I wonder where they are relocating to?TimT said:Russian IT brain drain:
https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/15062925908068065350 -
Another French company looking to expand in Russia:
https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.2 -
Does the French company have control over the Russian arm?Aslan said:Another French company looking to expand in Russia:
https://www.businessinsider.com/retailer-looks-expand-russia-business-as-more-firms-pull-out-2022-3?utm_source=reddit.com
The French are scum. And yet the usual Europhiles on PB give more shit to Boris for an inelegant comparison than bankrolling war criminals.0 -
The tweet does not say. some mention Sofia (known for software and probably the most Russian-like of the EU countries)FrancisUrquhart said:
I wonder where they are relocating to?TimT said:Russian IT brain drain:
https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/15062925908068065350
