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What should the West do? the UK view of a range of suggestions – YouGov – politicalbetting.com
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I hardly ever see a yougov survey without thinking they should hire me to edit it
UEFA are bellends though.
How am I supposed to get a hotel ticket for the CL final in Paris to see Liverpool win Number 7 when the French Open is taking place at the same time.
Also, UEFA are still letting Russia/Russian teams play. Go full South Africa on them.
The further invasion of Ukraine feels like a Sudetenland 1938 moment.
Does PB really know the answer on this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-SuaO0ZSxw&t=310s
If Chelsea win it will be a victory for evil and darkness.
If you support Chelsea you are a traitor. FACT.
The number one thing that would damage Russia is if the West (that includes us, but particularly the EU as well) stops buying from them. This is difficult to do as so many raw materials come from there.
En passant: by Vlad's logic, if he takes Kiev will he be giving Saint Petersburg back to Sweden?
Update it to Davy Crockett recoils rifles and we are good to go...
In 1608 - ""With the ffotebale...[there] hath beene greate disorder in our towne of Manchester we are told, and glasse windowes broken yearlye and spoyled by a companie of lewd and disordered persons ..."
Does PB think Zelenskiy is serious about discussing Ukraine neutrality with Moscow?
Come to think of it, it was us who invented Kievan Russia…
Though Putin might want to bring the entire Eastern block under Russian control, in reality I think he would only add a few other non NATO states like Georgia and Moldova to the Ukraine and Belarus which are already in the Russian orbit now. Even if he wanted to restore the old Tsarist empire that would also likely only include non NATO Finland beyond the above.
However, while the West will not go to war with Russia to defend a non NATO action, the economic sanctions against Russia as suggested in the Yougov poll should all be considered by every NATO nation. The Defence Secretary has now ruled out any UK troops being sent to Ukraine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60522745
Was the west right to signal so clearly that it would allow an invasion without fighting back militarily?
Was the west right not to use the promise of nuclear engagement if Russia crossed line X?
Not long ago a Russian action of this sort was thought impossible - like Germany they were past that stage of political development. Wrong.
So a third question about the impossible: If the UK invaded the neutral RoI, which eastern European countries (Ukraine being one) would take decisive and military action to defend and protect the RoI against the UK?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_Act_1424
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1497212417629208581?s=21
Perhaps a little self indulgent, but there is also the idea that Britain and the rest of Europe will 'wake up' to the true nature of Putin's regime, and start directing our energy towards these external threats, rather than being consumed by internal distracting conflicts (Brexit, scots Indy, statue toppling).
I've also been feeling better after deciding that I would give money to the Ukrainians who are fighting Russia. Commenting on websites isn't enough.
Shoot them down?
Oh no, it’s the Russians that do that.
So far only Poland has joined the UK in banning Russian aircraft.
British imperialism = good
In fact two sides of the same dud currency.
The reckoning on Boris is not cancelled till summer, it’s coming as soon as this thing dies down as the lazy and poor way he has handled the crisis only adds to the reasons to replace him.
What’s different and new from the last fortnight is how there is also reckoning coming now to how the Tory Party rolled in bed with dirty rubble in the run up to this slaughter of Ukraine sovereignty and self determination.
TSE posted last month that he signed up to vote for next leader outside current cabinet, and I laughed at and was very rude to him. I was wrong. After the last two weeks the next Tory leader can only come from outside this cabinet. Tugendhat or Harper it is then.
Russia has the biggest number of tanks in the world and has just launched the first land invasion of an independent sovereign state in Europe since WW2.
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1497139951552671744?s=20&t=M3ZRMfdjWd-gYHi9u8MyuQ
Boris, we need more tanks and we need to send them to Poland and the Baltic States
Flip it around and if the Republic of Ireland invaded Northern Ireland in a fit of madness and the UK invoked NATO Article 5 would we see the US and EU members of NATO stepping up to their obligation?
If not then NATO is clearly BS as they can’t pick and choose and have any future.
Obviously this is bonkers but stranger things have happened….
Golf badder
Cricket baddest
I still think that on balance it would be right to cut Russia off from Swift, but I accept that the more targetted sanctions that are already in place are more likely to prove effective.
By the way, I generally hate these kinds of survey. How any asked even knew what Swift was before the war started?
He's not the Impaler, he's a very naughty boy.
In a telephone call with Vladimir Putin on Friday, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad praised his Russia counterpart's invasion of Ukraine as a "correction of history", a statement from the Syrian presidency says...
Not quite @ydoethur 's approach to historiography.
At this juncture, the EU foreign policy architecture has failed.
By allowing some countries to veto effective sanctions, it makes Europe - and the West - weaker.
It is not just Germany’s Wandel durch Handel that is discredited.
No wonder Tusk is furious, the Baltics scathing, and Ukraine despairing.
None of this excuses London’s own failings, but this is a monumental error by the EU (and Germany in particular), and there will be ramifications.
https://www.oag.com/blog/russia-closes-its-aviation-borders-affected-airlines-will-find-alternatives
Ukraine’s army appears to have had more opportunities to employ anti-tank weapons than many supposed. America, Britain and other European allies gave Ukraine thousands of such weapons, including long-range American Javelins and shorter-range Anglo-Swedish nlaws, over the past two months. In places, these presented serious resistance to Russian advances in the north and east. It is thought that nlaws have never been used in combat before. Video footage taken around Kharkiv appears to show damaged tanks. Ukrainian officials said that Javelins and other weapons had “neutralised” an entire column of 15 t-72 tanks in Hlukhova, in the north-west of the country close to the Russian border.
You can buy 270 nlaws for the cost of upgrading one Challenger 2.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business/market-data
Easy to blame the EU but where was London when Putin's money was flowing here over the last 15 years? When Boris played tennis for £160,000 of Putin's mafiosa money the same year that Putin shot down MH17, killing 283 innocent people including 80 children.
No Conservative can claim the moral high ground today.
I do think he has miscalculated. He may get away with it, or at least get off light. He may also find that he not only loses Ukraine permanently, including the previously annexed portions, but he and his pals finish up being tried for war crimes. Meanwhile Russia descends into a failed State.
There are many possibilities between the two extremes, but as a punter when I look at the his possible gains and balance them against the possible losses and how likely they are, I have to say he seems to be gambling at shit awful odds.
Russia will have overrun Ukraine by the end of the weekend and I'm afraid it will subside as news until the next of Putin's atrocities threatens to wake us up.
We will back to domestic politics very soon.
We may see this is appalling (it is) but MoonRabbit is right.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Verona.svg
https://footballgroundguide.com/news/worst-football-stadium-disasters-in-history-the-most-tragic-events.html
My first run in with the moderators here was over some deeply ill-judged remarks about Hillsborough which I now unhesitatingly withdraw, but it is almost possible to discern some kind of pattern when you think about Heysel. And consider that we have yet to see dozens of spectators massacred at Lord's because poor policing and the dilapidated state of the pavilion, and let's warble some tastefully mawkish composition about the mersey (whatever a mersey is) or not walking on your own.
But with mini Russia there not much distinction.
Your turn. What do you think of it?
DK Brown relates the moment that armour died in the RN for the Admirals - they asked the design section to armour the magazines in a new carrier design against a rocket propelled 2,000lb bomb. The deign section pointed out that such a weapon could pierce armour thicker than any armour could be made (there are specific limits on face hardened armour).
Tanks are (possibly) doomed by a solar problem - the thick armour is there against septic threats. Armouring the top of a tank to the same level is impossible.
In a future war involving NATO, the Americans would be dropping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLU-108 by the zillion. Point defence systems on tanks might protect against that - maybe...
In surface anti-tank weapons, cheap top-attack munitions are here (NLAW) - fire and forget, the weapon flies itself *over* the tank and explodes downward.
Then they lost one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9hb-OutGAY
This all adds up to...
(My view is that it's best to get to renewables as fast as possible, but I'd not object to fracking in the UK if it helped get Germany off the Russian hook)
I posted a sensible comment and you resorted to your usual pompous bellicosity.
(p.s. I loathe Putin)
EU explained just last month that, in one year alone, European airlines paid around $420 million in overflight charges – most of it directly to…Aeroflot!
EU said it is a breach of EU laws whereby airlines should not be forced into financially supporting a direct competitor.
https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1497137975406256159