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Leon said:

The long form podcast is one of the truly great things about the internet. Especially with AirPods

CarlottaVance said:

Welcome to the Thought Police:

“They said, ‘Yeah, we just have to speak to you. You’ve not said anything hateful, there isn’t a crime here.’

“I said: ‘So why are you here?’ They said, ‘Because we need to speak to you to ascertain what your thinking was behind making your statement.’

https://twitter.com/filia_charity/status/1487305656747110400?s=21

Leon said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Omnium said:

Leon said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933

I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.

I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….

He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes

i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff

But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to

WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?

I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.

Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them

There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000

800,000! It is risibly poor

Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over

There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....

Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s

I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)

Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.

If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)

You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best

https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/

Richard_Tyndall said:

BannedinnParis said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Omnium said:

Leon said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933

I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.

I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….

He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes

i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff

But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to

WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?

I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.

Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them

There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000

800,000! It is risibly poor

Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over

There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....

Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s

I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)

Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.

If he's wrong on it, at least is it interesting?

Ys what I have heard has been very interesting. Even when it is several hours long. My problem, and the reason I don't listen to him as much as perhaps I would otherwise do, is that on some subjects such as the anti-vax stuff I do find him very partial and that frustrates and angers me.

MrEd said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Leon said:

maaarsh said:

Leon said:

RochdalePioneers said:

kle4 said:

RochdalePioneers said:

DavidL said:

Foxy said:

DavidL said:

noneoftheabove said:

Leon said:

An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds

Fuck em

Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.

More significantly the Guardian seems somewhat less interested in the 3.5m-6m who have chosen to stay: https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/07/02/are-there-really-6m-eu-citizens-living-in-the-uk/

Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.

But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.

I suspect that most Unionists will stay on in Independent Scotland too, but it doesn't mean that they will like it, and mourn their losses.

If it comes to that I am not sure what we would do to be honest. A lot depends on family which is more important than countries but I can see the balance of our family edging south over the next few years. As a Scots lawyer I will have to hang around until I retire. After that I am not so sure. But the views of those who choose to remain will still be more relevant than the views of those who choose to depart.

Scotland - at least my corner of it - is already far more welcoming to incomers than England is. I can't see how independence suddenly creates an anti-English or anti-Unionist hate that would force people out

How are you judging these things? If my corner of England is very welcoming does that prove all England is? If my corner is less so does that prove the other way?

How am I judging it? I've lived in various parts of England, I've seen the way that the English national psyche has turned more insular and nasty towards the other (the rise of the BNP then UKIP then Brexit and "fuck em" upthread). That England is no longer as open and tolerant as it was feels self-evident though I know the fuck em brigade will disagree.

And Scotland? I totally accept that my corner is not automatically representative. But then again I look at the Scottish government's "New Scots" policy and them having just won a 4th term on a record vote in a record turnout and conclude that there must be some merit in my argument.

There are so many wonderful people in England. There will be many nobbers in Scotland. But the direction of travel south of the wall feels a lot worse than north of it - and I have friends living in England in despair at what is happening to society.

Oh good grief. I know actual snowflakes who are less snowflakey than you, and recently-crippled jackals that are less whiney

Ironically they seem heavily formed by coming from Rochdale, home of the race riots. No doubt living in a massively less diverse country now feels very harmonious and welcoming.

Yes, the multiculti and hyper-tolerant Mr Pioneers has, oddly, moved from one of the most racially diverse parts of the UK to probably the whitest part of the UK, an area which he thoroughly prefers, as it is supposedly more “welcoming” to others. There just aren’t any others being welcomed

Strange

Its pretty multi-ethnic up here. A lot of Russians and Poles, families in our village school from places like Hungary and Latvia. A lot of English.

Incidentally, @maaarsh commenting about Rochdale and race riots - just wondering what actual lived experience he - or you - have of such things?

Many of the Lancashire cotton towns welcomed multiple waves of migrants from the commonwealth. Rochdale has sizeable Indian and Pakistani and Kashmiri and Bangladeshi populations, with similar seen in other neighbouring towns like Oldham (where I did my A-levels) and Burnley.

So, these "riots". The BNP came and worked away at some morons. Because communities tend to congregate together you would have different groups in different areas. Some of the shitkicker WWC thought they were being discriminated against because money was spent in a non-white area, the BNP picked at it, some got elected until they were very quickly laughed out of town.

I remember two "riots". One in the centre of Rochdale where BNP skinheads and anti-nazi skinheads went at each other. And one in Rochdale where two different ethnic groups had a scrap. When there are little townlets divided by hills its easy to segregate - Rochdale describes these as "townships" FFS

To be fair though, Oldham did have some pretty bad trouble between the two communities and it wasn’t just stirred up by one side. Don’t know if it has improved.

nico679 said:

Given there’s no jury trial involved there’s nothing to stop some new revelations and some party photos appearing in the papers.

I expect Cummings still hasn’t given up on getting Johnson out of no 10.

Richard_Tyndall said:

BannedinnParis said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Omnium said:

Leon said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933

I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.

I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….

He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes

i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff

But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to

WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?

I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.

Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them

There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000

800,000! It is risibly poor

Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over

There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....

Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s

I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)

Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.

If he's wrong on it, at least is it interesting?

Yes what I have heard has been very interesting. Even when it is several hours long. My problem, and the reason I don't listen to him as much as perhaps I would otherwise do, is that on some subjects such as the anti-vax stuff I do find him very partial and that frustrates and angers me.

Tres said:

Eabhal said:

Tres said:

I think your personal prejudices are showing. Dan Hardy and Dominick Cruz also commentate on cage fighting, both highly intelligent and articulate.

Joe Rogan isn't a genius, but he doesn't pretend to be. He is a normal bloke, who does some reading, but has the ability to bring the best out of guests by asking pertinent questions.

normal blokes tend not to take horse worming pills when they catch covid.

PB is awash with silly comments (including mine), but that is irredeemably stupid.

If you're going to go after someone for spouting nonsense, don't talk shit yourself. A quick look on wiki suggests it can be a useful drug for humans, particularly in the developing world.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

BannedinnParis said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Omnium said:

Leon said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933

I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.

I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….

He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes

i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff

But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to

WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?

I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.

Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them

There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000

800,000! It is risibly poor

Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over

There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....

Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s

I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)

Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.

If he's wrong on it, at least is it interesting?

Yes what I have heard has been very interesting. Even when it is several hours long. My problem, and the reason I don't listen to him as much as perhaps I would otherwise do, is that on some subjects such as the anti-vax stuff I do find him very partial and that frustrates and angers me.

I personally pick and choose when I listen to his show. I don't really care to listen to 3hrs about aliens, but I will listen to 3hrs talking with Steven Pinker.

Richard_Tyndall said:

As an aside on the Rogan/Young spat, I see that James Blunt once again goes up even further in my estimation with his self awareness, if not my appreciation for his music.

Whilst Young and Mitchell have removed their music from Spotify, Blunt has said that unless Rogan is removed, he will release new music onto the platform.

Now that is a threat everyone should take seriously.

Cyclefree said:

Condolences to @Benpointer over his mother.

Eabhal said:

Leon said:

The long form podcast is one of the truly great things about the internet. Especially with AirPods

Transformed cleaning, washing up etc for me.

I'm not kidding - huge improvement for the boring bits of my life.

Richard_Tyndall said:

As an aside on the Rogan/Young spat, I see that James Blunt once again goes up even further in my estimation with his self awareness, if not my appreciation for his music.

Whilst Young and Mitchell have removed their music from Spotify, Blunt has said that unless Rogan is removed, he will release new music onto the platform.

Now that is a threat everyone should take seriously.

Omnium said:

ping said:

Re: next PM/con leader - Sunak’s chances.

Anyone else think he’s holed under the waterline, what with Agnew’s fraud comments?

£4.3bn pissed up against the wall, ffs?!

He’s a screaming lay @ ~2/1, surely?

I'd not back him. I think his support is mostly the media. If I had to guess I'd suggest that less than a handful of Tory MP's are willing him on.

Richard_Tyndall said:

As an aside on the Rogan/Young spat, I see that James Blunt once again goes up even further in my estimation with his self awareness, if not my appreciation for his music.

Whilst Young and Mitchell have removed their music from Spotify, Blunt has said that unless Rogan is removed, he will release new music onto the platform.

Now that is a threat everyone should take seriously.

Leon said:

The long form podcast is one of the truly great things about the internet. Especially with AirPods

Leon said:

kjh said:

Leon said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Omnium said:

Leon said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933

I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.

I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….

He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes

i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff

But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to

WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?

I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.

Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them

There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000

800,000! It is risibly poor

Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over

There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....

Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s

I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)

Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.

If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)

You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best

https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/

I will give that a view. Until this morning I had never heard of him. Then (and I think it was from here) there was a link to a start of one of his interviews. It tried to find it again and I can't. Obviously posted by someone who is not a fan and the interviewee was talking drivel; in the nutter realms. Can't remember the details but dismissing stats because you can't test everything. No clue about the maths of samples. I thus assumed Rogan might be of the same ilk if this was the sort of person he was interviewing but found his views were more eclectic according to Wikipedia. Will give it a try, but I am going in biased from this mornings experience I am afraid.

My guess is you are referring to his latest Jordan Peterson interview. Where Peterson starts spouting off about climate change being a load of intellectual vagueness, what exactly is “climate”, surely it is everything, there are too many variables

This made people angry and they got viral on Twitter

The thing is, Rogan then comes back and asks Peterson to clarify exactly this. He asks the questions you want to say. Again

I’m not a huge fan of Peterson, unlike my ex wife, age 26, who adores him! For me he is the reedy voiced inferior offspring of Roger Scruton. But Peterson is a massively valuable contrary voice, and is no Nazi or racist. We need people like him. Whereas Cambridge is happy to cancel him


Rogan gives him airtime. Good

The thing about the whole anti-Rogan Neil Young left cancel culture shit is that they are going after one of the last sane spaces where alternative and also - horror! - right wing or libertarian views are aired. Or just heterodox views. Beyond Rogan there is just a sea of Neo Nazi bollocks. Do we really want to cede all that thought-space to the truly nasty and insane? No. So we must allow sane right wing views, even hard right wing views, just as we do allow them on the left, with avowed communists sitting on SAGE

Mexicanpete said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

As an aside on the Rogan/Young spat, I see that James Blunt once again goes up even further in my estimation with his self awareness, if not my appreciation for his music.

Whilst Young and Mitchell have removed their music from Spotify, Blunt has said that unless Rogan is removed, he will release new music onto the platform.

Now that is a threat everyone should take seriously.

I liked the comment; Joe Rogan couldn't write "Keep on rockin' in the free world", but Neil Young if he so wished could Google stuff, and misinterpret it live on air.

Applicant said:

Foxy said:

ping said:

Re: next PM/con leader - Sunak’s chances.

Anyone else think he’s holed under the waterline, what with Agnew’s fraud comments?

£4.3bn pissed up against the wall, ffs?!

He’s a screaming lay @ ~2/1, surely?

Sunaks problem is that while he might be the most successful when in post, there is no sure fire way to get there. I don't sense that he has the parliamentary support to be sure of reaching the final two, or the membership support needed to win.

That said, he's the current Chancellor, which historically puts him in a good position.

Roger said:

Anyone think this BJ thing is over listen to Any Answers. Listen particularly for ex John Major's Private Secretary (or similar). Hilarious. I'm not not talking studio audience I'm talking about the phone in afterwards. As a human being Johnson's finished

Roger said:

Anyone think this BJ thing is over listen to Any Answers. Listen particularly for ex John Major's Private Secretary (or similar). Hilarious. I'm not not talking studio audience I'm talking about the phone in afterwards. As a human being Johnson's finished

rottenborough said:

Applicant said:

Foxy said:

ping said:

Re: next PM/con leader - Sunak’s chances.

Anyone else think he’s holed under the waterline, what with Agnew’s fraud comments?

£4.3bn pissed up against the wall, ffs?!

He’s a screaming lay @ ~2/1, surely?

Sunaks problem is that while he might be the most successful when in post, there is no sure fire way to get there. I don't sense that he has the parliamentary support to be sure of reaching the final two, or the membership support needed to win.

That said, he's the current Chancellor, which historically puts him in a good position.

Does it?

Not many of them have made it.

Brown
Major
Callaghan
Macmillan

I think that's it since the War.

Eabhal said:

Leon said:

kjh said:

Leon said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Omnium said:

Leon said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933

I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.

I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….

He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes

i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff

But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to

WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?

I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.

Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them

There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000

800,000! It is risibly poor

Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over

There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....

Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s

I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)

Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.

If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)

You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best

https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/

I will give that a view. Until this morning I had never heard of him. Then (and I think it was from here) there was a link to a start of one of his interviews. It tried to find it again and I can't. Obviously posted by someone who is not a fan and the interviewee was talking drivel; in the nutter realms. Can't remember the details but dismissing stats because you can't test everything. No clue about the maths of samples. I thus assumed Rogan might be of the same ilk if this was the sort of person he was interviewing but found his views were more eclectic according to Wikipedia. Will give it a try, but I am going in biased from this mornings experience I am afraid.

My guess is you are referring to his latest Jordan Peterson interview. Where Peterson starts spouting off about climate change being a load of intellectual vagueness, what exactly is “climate”, surely it is everything, there are too many variables

This made people angry and they got viral on Twitter

The thing is, Rogan then comes back and asks Peterson to clarify exactly this. He asks the questions you want to say. Again

I’m not a huge fan of Peterson, unlike my ex wife, age 26, who adores him! For me he is the reedy voiced inferior offspring of Roger Scruton. But Peterson is a massively valuable contrary voice, and is no Nazi or racist. We need people like him. Whereas Cambridge is happy to cancel him


Rogan gives him airtime. Good

The thing about the whole anti-Rogan Neil Young left cancel culture shit is that they are going after one of the last sane spaces where alternative and also - horror! - right wing or libertarian views are aired. Or just heterodox views. Beyond Rogan there is just a sea of Neo Nazi bollocks. Do we really want to cede all that thought-space to the truly nasty and insane? No. So we must allow sane right wing views, even hard right wing views, just as we do allow them on the left, with avowed communists sitting on SAGE

PB is the only place where I think I can get away with this. And even then I'm nervous.

I studied climate change economics at uni. I'm fully on board with the consensus, scientific view.

But. If SAGE can't model Covid properly, with loads of good data, and only forecasting a few months in advance, what chance do we have with something as fickle as mother nature? Over a 100 year period?

I don't doubt that the earth has warmed, and that we are the reason for it. But looking forward...

MrEd said:

kjh said:

MrEd said:

kjh said:

MrEd said:

CarlottaVance said:

carnforth said:

maaarsh said:

Leon said:

RochdalePioneers said:

kle4 said:

RochdalePioneers said:

DavidL said:

Foxy said:

DavidL said:

noneoftheabove said:

Leon said:

An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds

Fuck em

Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.

More significantly the Guardian seems somewhat less interested in the 3.5m-6m who have chosen to stay: https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/07/02/are-there-really-6m-eu-citizens-living-in-the-uk/

Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.

But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.

I suspect that most Unionists will stay on in Independent Scotland too, but it doesn't mean that they will like it, and mourn their losses.

If it comes to that I am not sure what we would do to be honest. A lot depends on family which is more important than countries but I can see the balance of our family edging south over the next few years. As a Scots lawyer I will have to hang around until I retire. After that I am not so sure. But the views of those who choose to remain will still be more relevant than the views of those who choose to depart.

Scotland - at least my corner of it - is already far more welcoming to incomers than England is. I can't see how independence suddenly creates an anti-English or anti-Unionist hate that would force people out

How are you judging these things? If my corner of England is very welcoming does that prove all England is? If my corner is less so does that prove the other way?

How am I judging it? I've lived in various parts of England, I've seen the way that the English national psyche has turned more insular and nasty towards the other (the rise of the BNP then UKIP then Brexit and "fuck em" upthread). That England is no longer as open and tolerant as it was feels self-evident though I know the fuck em brigade will disagree.

And Scotland? I totally accept that my corner is not automatically representative. But then again I look at the Scottish government's "New Scots" policy and them having just won a 4th term on a record vote in a record turnout and conclude that there must be some merit in my argument.

There are so many wonderful people in England. There will be many nobbers in Scotland. But the direction of travel south of the wall feels a lot worse than north of it - and I have friends living in England in despair at what is happening to society.

Oh good grief. I know actual snowflakes who are less snowflakey than you, and recently-crippled jackals that are less whiney

Ironically they seem heavily formed by coming from Rochdale, home of the race riots. No doubt living in a massively less diverse country now feels very harmonious and welcoming.

Sometimes, when hardcore remainers mock brexit voters, saying that brexit will mean more brown and black immigrants, which they claim brexit voters don’t want, I wonder if perhaps those hardcore remainers quite liked that freedom of movement ensured that most immigrants were white, european, and christian. Different and exotic, but not actually brown or muslim.

But this may be too cynical, even for me.

I think some of them thought Leavers couldn’t tell the difference between an Indian with a Phd and a Romanian Big Issue seller. And of course a “Polish Plumber” was a boon to some and not to others.

It’s funny how many of the most ardent Remainers were also keen on cheap Labour coming in but seemed to be far less keen on allowing opening up the borders when it came to professional services such as the Law…

Where on earth did you get that from?

It’s fair to say a very disproportionate number of the most ardent Remainers - Grieve, Soubry, Clarke etc - were Barristers, a profession that, when it comes to putting up barriers to stop outside competition from coming in, makes China look like a rank amateur.

I think it is bizarre in the extreme to suggest remainers were against free movement of anyone. Certainly in some professions there has to be checks on competence. I think the NHS is a good example. Encouraged people from anywhere, but need to ensure they are qualified. For most professions where harm can't be done there were no restrictions.

Your last sentence should be modified to “for most professions where harm couldn’t be done to their own interests, there were no restrictions”.

If you work in the NHS, you don’t care if more immigrants come in (and welcome it if it means less work) because your pay / pensions are protected and the increased numbers make no difference. Same goes for areas such as teachers etc.

In the Law and Accounting, though, I’m always surprised at how few people from EU countries there were (ex-Ireland) especially as the firms were international groups that could move people around between offices.

If your point is on loss to life and limb, arguably you could say that someone who was selling their services fiddling around with plumbing, electrics and the construction of a house should be more subject to regulations given there is a direct risk to life / harm if they screw things up.

Foxy said:

Mexicanpete said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

As an aside on the Rogan/Young spat, I see that James Blunt once again goes up even further in my estimation with his self awareness, if not my appreciation for his music.

Whilst Young and Mitchell have removed their music from Spotify, Blunt has said that unless Rogan is removed, he will release new music onto the platform.

Now that is a threat everyone should take seriously.

I liked the comment; Joe Rogan couldn't write "Keep on rockin' in the free world", but Neil Young if he so wished could Google stuff, and misinterpret it live on air.

I see Rogans twitter feed is full of anti-vax stuff. Doesn't inspire confidence in listening to any of his longer pieces. Not that I care much for Neil Young either.

I also now see where Leon gets his nuttier Wokefinder General stuff from.

BannedinnParis said:

Think the (infamous) newspaper rule has to come in here strong for podcasts.
Look at what newspapers report on topics you do know. If they're nonsense, what does it imply for the rest?

Eabhal said:

BannedinnParis said:

Think the (infamous) newspaper rule has to come in here strong for podcasts.
Look at what newspapers report on topics you do know. If they're nonsense, what does it imply for the rest?

That rules out all form of media, though. The BBC included - their stuff on inflation had been driven by social media campaigns, not on the actual data from ONS.

Eabhal said:

BannedinnParis said:

Think the (infamous) newspaper rule has to come in here strong for podcasts.
Look at what newspapers report on topics you do know. If they're nonsense, what does it imply for the rest?

That rules out all form of media, though. The BBC included - their stuff on inflation had been driven by social media campaigns, not on the actual data from ONS.

Eabhal said:

Leon said:

kjh said:

Leon said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Omnium said:

Leon said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933

I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.

I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….

He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes

i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff

But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to

WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?

I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.

Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them

There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000

800,000! It is risibly poor

Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over

There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....

Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s

I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)

Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.

If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)

You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best

https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/

I will give that a view. Until this morning I had never heard of him. Then (and I think it was from here) there was a link to a start of one of his interviews. It tried to find it again and I can't. Obviously posted by someone who is not a fan and the interviewee was talking drivel; in the nutter realms. Can't remember the details but dismissing stats because you can't test everything. No clue about the maths of samples. I thus assumed Rogan might be of the same ilk if this was the sort of person he was interviewing but found his views were more eclectic according to Wikipedia. Will give it a try, but I am going in biased from this mornings experience I am afraid.

My guess is you are referring to his latest Jordan Peterson interview. Where Peterson starts spouting off about climate change being a load of intellectual vagueness, what exactly is “climate”, surely it is everything, there are too many variables

This made people angry and they got viral on Twitter

The thing is, Rogan then comes back and asks Peterson to clarify exactly this. He asks the questions you want to say. Again

I’m not a huge fan of Peterson, unlike my ex wife, age 26, who adores him! For me he is the reedy voiced inferior offspring of Roger Scruton. But Peterson is a massively valuable contrary voice, and is no Nazi or racist. We need people like him. Whereas Cambridge is happy to cancel him


Rogan gives him airtime. Good

The thing about the whole anti-Rogan Neil Young left cancel culture shit is that they are going after one of the last sane spaces where alternative and also - horror! - right wing or libertarian views are aired. Or just heterodox views. Beyond Rogan there is just a sea of Neo Nazi bollocks. Do we really want to cede all that thought-space to the truly nasty and insane? No. So we must allow sane right wing views, even hard right wing views, just as we do allow them on the left, with avowed communists sitting on SAGE

PB is the only place where I think I can get away with this. And even then I'm nervous.

I studied climate change economics at uni. I'm fully on board with the consensus, scientific view.

But. If SAGE can't model Covid properly, with loads of good data, and only forecasting a few months in advance, what chance do we have with something as fickle as mother nature? Over a 100 year period?

I don't doubt that the earth has warmed, and that we are the reason for it. But looking forward...

Leon said:

Eabhal said:

Leon said:

kjh said:

Leon said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Omnium said:

Leon said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933

I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.

I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….

He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes

i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff

But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to

WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?

I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.

Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them

There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000

800,000! It is risibly poor

Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over

There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....

Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s

I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)

Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.

If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)

You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best

https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/

I will give that a view. Until this morning I had never heard of him. Then (and I think it was from here) there was a link to a start of one of his interviews. It tried to find it again and I can't. Obviously posted by someone who is not a fan and the interviewee was talking drivel; in the nutter realms. Can't remember the details but dismissing stats because you can't test everything. No clue about the maths of samples. I thus assumed Rogan might be of the same ilk if this was the sort of person he was interviewing but found his views were more eclectic according to Wikipedia. Will give it a try, but I am going in biased from this mornings experience I am afraid.

My guess is you are referring to his latest Jordan Peterson interview. Where Peterson starts spouting off about climate change being a load of intellectual vagueness, what exactly is “climate”, surely it is everything, there are too many variables

This made people angry and they got viral on Twitter

The thing is, Rogan then comes back and asks Peterson to clarify exactly this. He asks the questions you want to say. Again

I’m not a huge fan of Peterson, unlike my ex wife, age 26, who adores him! For me he is the reedy voiced inferior offspring of Roger Scruton. But Peterson is a massively valuable contrary voice, and is no Nazi or racist. We need people like him. Whereas Cambridge is happy to cancel him


Rogan gives him airtime. Good

The thing about the whole anti-Rogan Neil Young left cancel culture shit is that they are going after one of the last sane spaces where alternative and also - horror! - right wing or libertarian views are aired. Or just heterodox views. Beyond Rogan there is just a sea of Neo Nazi bollocks. Do we really want to cede all that thought-space to the truly nasty and insane? No. So we must allow sane right wing views, even hard right wing views, just as we do allow them on the left, with avowed communists sitting on SAGE

PB is the only place where I think I can get away with this. And even then I'm nervous.

I studied climate change economics at uni. I'm fully on board with the consensus, scientific view.

But. If SAGE can't model Covid properly, with loads of good data, and only forecasting a few months in advance, what chance do we have with something as fickle as mother nature? Over a 100 year period?

I don't doubt that the earth has warmed, and that we are the reason for it. But looking forward...

Yes, the anti-science science on display during Covid - especially over “lab leak” - has entirely upended my previously respectful views towards Establishment Science. The fact is, they all lied. Grievously. Some to protect China, some to protect their careers, some to protect “the future of virology” (or “research” or “epidemiology” or you-name-it) and some did it for outright partisan political reasons, to damage or hinder Trump

Even if Lab Leak is wrong (unlikely, but possible), all the above happened, unquestionably

And then you think, Hmm, climate change

Like you I believe it is almost certainly happening, it is probably but less certainly man-made, but as for the modelling towards the future, and possible ways of “solving it”. Hmmmmmmmm

Roger said:

Anyone think this BJ thing is over listen to Any Answers. Listen particularly for ex John Major's Private Secretary (or similar). Hilarious. I'm not not talking studio audience I'm talking about the phone in afterwards. As a human being Johnson's finished

FrancisUrquhart said:

darkage said:

Leon said:

kjh said:

Leon said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Omnium said:

Leon said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933

I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.

I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….

He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes

i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff

But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to

WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?

I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.

Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them

There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000

800,000! It is risibly poor

Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over

There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....

Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s

I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)

Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.

If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)

You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best

https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/

I will give that a view. Until this morning I had never heard of him. Then (and I think it was from here) there was a link to a start of one of his interviews. It tried to find it again and I can't. Obviously posted by someone who is not a fan and the interviewee was talking drivel; in the nutter realms. Can't remember the details but dismissing stats because you can't test everything. No clue about the maths of samples. I thus assumed Rogan might be of the same ilk if this was the sort of person he was interviewing but found his views were more eclectic according to Wikipedia. Will give it a try, but I am going in biased from this mornings experience I am afraid.

My guess is you are referring to his latest Jordan Peterson interview. Where Peterson starts spouting off about climate change being a load of intellectual vagueness, what exactly is “climate”, surely it is everything, there are too many variables

This made people angry and they got viral on Twitter

The thing is, Rogan then comes back and asks Peterson to clarify exactly this. He asks the questions you want to say. Again

I’m not a huge fan of Peterson, unlike my ex wife, age 26, who adores him! For me he is the reedy voiced inferior offspring of Roger Scruton. But Peterson is a massively valuable contrary voice, and is no Nazi or racist. We need people like him. Whereas Cambridge is happy to cancel him


Rogan gives him airtime. Good

The thing about the whole anti-Rogan Neil Young left cancel culture shit is that they are going after one of the last sane spaces where alternative and also - horror! - right wing or libertarian views are aired. Or just heterodox views. Beyond Rogan there is just a sea of Neo Nazi bollocks. Do we really want to cede all that thought-space to the truly nasty and insane? No. So we must allow sane right wing views, even hard right wing views, just as we do allow them on the left, with avowed communists sitting on SAGE

I was a big fan of Jordan Peterson for a while, and read his 'rules for life' book a couple of times. I then tried out his online course which promised to explain personality, at quite significant cost to myself, which I found to be very disappointing. I didn't find the framework which he uses to explain human behaviour, including the psychometric testing that he believes in, to be particularly convincing at all. I didn't persevere with it, ultimately through lack of interest.

I find that I agree with much of his general perspective, and he is a great as a sort of virtual life coach for lots of people, particularly young men, including myself on occasion. The main problem that I can see is that he has a tendency for over enthusiasm and drama, missing out on nuance, certainly this criticism is often made of him by scientists and biologists. His crab analogy which he often gets criticised for was poor and a significant misjudgement in my view.

I believe he is a very sincere figure and has had a remarkable influence on peoples lives. I don't think he courts drama, but it doesn't harm his book sales. The attempts to cancel him are based on prejudice and ignorance.

Peterson is a strange individual with a lot of his own demons.

IMO the problem with say Peterson versus Rogan. Rogan isn't professing to be an expert in anything, he is explicating saying well I'm just the bloke from the cage fighting talking to interesting people.

Where as, Peterson is supposed grounded in academic thought and rigour and you are supposed to take him seriously having an alternative narrative to a lot of the mainstream because of this grounding. However, while some of it is just common sense and mostly harmless, he also has some very odd takes on things that don't seem grounded in anything, and a lot of people appear to have a rather cultish following on his every word.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Sky News are leading on Ukraine - Russia and Boris travelling there next week

It seems even they have given up on Sue Gray's filleted report and the appalling behaviour of Cressida Dick

FrancisUrquhart said:

kjh said:

Leon said:

kjh said:

Leon said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Omnium said:

Leon said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933

I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.

I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….

He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes

i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff

But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to

WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?

I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.

Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them

There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000

800,000! It is risibly poor

Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over

There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....

Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s

I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)

Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.

If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)

You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best

https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/

I will give that a view. Until this morning I had never heard of him. Then (and I think it was from here) there was a link to a start of one of his interviews. It tried to find it again and I can't. Obviously posted by someone who is not a fan and the interviewee was talking drivel; in the nutter realms. Can't remember the details but dismissing stats because you can't test everything. No clue about the maths of samples. I thus assumed Rogan might be of the same ilk if this was the sort of person he was interviewing but found his views were more eclectic according to Wikipedia. Will give it a try, but I am going in biased from this mornings experience I am afraid.

My guess is you are referring to his latest Jordan Peterson interview. Where Peterson starts spouting off about climate change being a load of intellectual vagueness, what exactly is “climate”, surely it is everything, there are too many variables

This made people angry and they got viral on Twitter

The thing is, Rogan then comes back and asks Peterson to clarify exactly this. He asks the questions you want to say. Again

I’m not a huge fan of Peterson, unlike my ex wife, age 26, who adores him! For me he is the reedy voiced inferior offspring of Roger Scruton. But Peterson is a massively valuable contrary voice, and is no Nazi or racist. We need people like him. Whereas Cambridge is happy to cancel him


Rogan gives him airtime. Good

The thing about the whole anti-Rogan Neil Young left cancel culture shit is that they are going after one of the last sane spaces where alternative and also - horror! - right wing or libertarian views are aired. Or just heterodox views. Beyond Rogan there is just a sea of Neo Nazi bollocks. Do we really want to cede all that thought-space to the truly nasty and insane? No. So we must allow sane right wing views, even hard right wing views, just as we do allow them on the left, with avowed communists sitting on SAGE

Well spotted. Yes it was and my description above was way off. If you had to ask me to guess I would have said the clip was on vaccines, but you have correctly reminded me of the actual subject. I saw the clip, presumably as you say it is doing the rounds. Thought well that is absolute bollocks and put it out of my mind, other than thinking I won't be viewing Rogan. I didn't even remember the subject matter only it was bollocks! I did pause though to look him up and that did mellow my view slightly as has PB this afternoon.

Will give it a try. Not promising a positive outcome though.

Why don't you start with an interview with somebody who definitely isn't a nutter / fringe / etc e.g. say his interviews with Pinker.

If you don't like those, there isn't much more point continuing.

FrancisUrquhart said:

kjh said:

Leon said:

kjh said:

Leon said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Omnium said:

Leon said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

Leon said:

MrEd said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933

I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.

I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….

He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes

i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff

But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to

WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?

I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.

Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them

There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000

800,000! It is risibly poor

Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over

There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....

Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s

I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)

Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.

If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)

You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best

https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/

I will give that a view. Until this morning I had never heard of him. Then (and I think it was from here) there was a link to a start of one of his interviews. It tried to find it again and I can't. Obviously posted by someone who is not a fan and the interviewee was talking drivel; in the nutter realms. Can't remember the details but dismissing stats because you can't test everything. No clue about the maths of samples. I thus assumed Rogan might be of the same ilk if this was the sort of person he was interviewing but found his views were more eclectic according to Wikipedia. Will give it a try, but I am going in biased from this mornings experience I am afraid.

My guess is you are referring to his latest Jordan Peterson interview. Where Peterson starts spouting off about climate change being a load of intellectual vagueness, what exactly is “climate”, surely it is everything, there are too many variables

This made people angry and they got viral on Twitter

The thing is, Rogan then comes back and asks Peterson to clarify exactly this. He asks the questions you want to say. Again

I’m not a huge fan of Peterson, unlike my ex wife, age 26, who adores him! For me he is the reedy voiced inferior offspring of Roger Scruton. But Peterson is a massively valuable contrary voice, and is no Nazi or racist. We need people like him. Whereas Cambridge is happy to cancel him


Rogan gives him airtime. Good

The thing about the whole anti-Rogan Neil Young left cancel culture shit is that they are going after one of the last sane spaces where alternative and also - horror! - right wing or libertarian views are aired. Or just heterodox views. Beyond Rogan there is just a sea of Neo Nazi bollocks. Do we really want to cede all that thought-space to the truly nasty and insane? No. So we must allow sane right wing views, even hard right wing views, just as we do allow them on the left, with avowed communists sitting on SAGE

Well spotted. Yes it was and my description above was way off. If you had to ask me to guess I would have said the clip was on vaccines, but you have correctly reminded me of the actual subject. I saw the clip, presumably as you say it is doing the rounds. Thought well that is absolute bollocks and put it out of my mind, other than thinking I won't be viewing Rogan. I didn't even remember the subject matter only it was bollocks! I did pause though to look him up and that did mellow my view slightly as has PB this afternoon.

Will give it a try. Not promising a positive outcome though.

Why don't you start with an interview with somebody who definitely isn't a nutter / fringe / etc e.g. say his interviews with Pinker.

If you don't like those, there isn't much more point continuing.

Roger said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Sky News are leading on Ukraine - Russia and Boris travelling there next week

It seems even they have given up on Sue Gray's filleted report and the appalling behaviour of Cressida Dick

Last time he went abroad as peacekeeper he almost got Nazanin Zaghai-Ratcliffe executed

algarkirk said:

Roger said:

Anyone think this BJ thing is over listen to Any Answers. Listen particularly for ex John Major's Private Secretary (or similar). Hilarious. I'm not not talking studio audience I'm talking about the phone in afterwards. As a human being Johnson's finished

Most of the habitual Tories I know would not vote Tory today, or so they say. (I generally vote Tory in GEs but certainly would not so right now). But there is no sense of having given up on the Tories as such, any more than centrists gave up on Labour in the dark days of Corbyn.

Mexicanpete said:

Roger said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Sky News are leading on Ukraine - Russia and Boris travelling there next week

It seems even they have given up on Sue Gray's filleted report and the appalling behaviour of Cressida Dick

Last time he went abroad as peacekeeper he almost got Nazanin Zaghai-Ratcliffe executed

He could stand astride a tank at the border with Belarus pointing and shaking the white flag of peace at the Russians to demonstrate his desire for a diplomatic solution and also his solidarity with Ukraine.

Andy_JS said:

Latest video from Dr John Campbell on the official covid figures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bza1gAc8sOA

Big_G_NorthWales said:

algarkirk said:

Roger said:

Anyone think this BJ thing is over listen to Any Answers. Listen particularly for ex John Major's Private Secretary (or similar). Hilarious. I'm not not talking studio audience I'm talking about the phone in afterwards. As a human being Johnson's finished

Most of the habitual Tories I know would not vote Tory today, or so they say. (I generally vote Tory in GEs but certainly would not so right now). But there is no sense of having given up on the Tories as such, any more than centrists gave up on Labour in the dark days of Corbyn.

I think that is correct

Conservative mps depose Boris and a new leader from Rishi , Truss, Hunt or Tugendhat with a clearance of cabinet inadequates of JRM, Dorries and a few others, would see a change of narrative

I will rejoin on Boris's exit which is more than likely some time this year

Cyclefree said:

CarlottaVance said:

Welcome to the Thought Police:

“They said, ‘Yeah, we just have to speak to you. You’ve not said anything hateful, there isn’t a crime here.’

“I said: ‘So why are you here?’ They said, ‘Because we need to speak to you to ascertain what your thinking was behind making your statement.’

https://twitter.com/filia_charity/status/1487305656747110400?s=21

"No you don't. It's none of your business.

By the way, have you read and understood the Court of Appeal judgment in Miller v the College of Policing yet?

Have a good day."

Big_G_NorthWales said:

algarkirk said:

Roger said:

Anyone think this BJ thing is over listen to Any Answers. Listen particularly for ex John Major's Private Secretary (or similar). Hilarious. I'm not not talking studio audience I'm talking about the phone in afterwards. As a human being Johnson's finished

Most of the habitual Tories I know would not vote Tory today, or so they say. (I generally vote Tory in GEs but certainly would not so right now). But there is no sense of having given up on the Tories as such, any more than centrists gave up on Labour in the dark days of Corbyn.

I think that is correct

Conservative mps depose Boris and a new leader from Rishi , Truss, Hunt or Tugendhat with a clearance of cabinet inadequates of JRM, Dorries and a few others, would see a change of narrative

I will rejoin on Boris's exit which is more than likely some time this year

Stark_Dawning said:

Mexicanpete said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

algarkirk said:

Roger said:

Anyone think this BJ thing is over listen to Any Answers. Listen particularly for ex John Major's Private Secretary (or similar). Hilarious. I'm not not talking studio audience I'm talking about the phone in afterwards. As a human being Johnson's finished

Most of the habitual Tories I know would not vote Tory today, or so they say. (I generally vote Tory in GEs but certainly would not so right now). But there is no sense of having given up on the Tories as such, any more than centrists gave up on Labour in the dark days of Corbyn.

I think that is correct

Conservative mps depose Boris and a new leader from Rishi , Truss, Hunt or Tugendhat with a clearance of cabinet inadequates of JRM, Dorries and a few others, would see a change of narrative

I will rejoin on Boris's exit which is more than likely some time this year

Big Dog is going nowhere.

A superlative performance of deceipt and chicanery with his sidekick Dick has saved the day.

In a few months the Tory refrain will be: 'Yes, those gatherings that took place in Number Ten all those years ago were unwise, and Boris should perhaps have been more candid when questions were raised in January, but since then lessons have clearly been learnt - there have been no repetitions of such gatherings - and what with the Covid crisis at an end and the economy recovering, it's only fair to give Boris...'

Stark_Dawning said:

Mexicanpete said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

algarkirk said:

Roger said:

Anyone think this BJ thing is over listen to Any Answers. Listen particularly for ex John Major's Private Secretary (or similar). Hilarious. I'm not not talking studio audience I'm talking about the phone in afterwards. As a human being Johnson's finished

Most of the habitual Tories I know would not vote Tory today, or so they say. (I generally vote Tory in GEs but certainly would not so right now). But there is no sense of having given up on the Tories as such, any more than centrists gave up on Labour in the dark days of Corbyn.

I think that is correct

Conservative mps depose Boris and a new leader from Rishi , Truss, Hunt or Tugendhat with a clearance of cabinet inadequates of JRM, Dorries and a few others, would see a change of narrative

I will rejoin on Boris's exit which is more than likely some time this year

Big Dog is going nowhere.

A superlative performance of deceipt and chicanery with his sidekick Dick has saved the day.

In a few months the Tory refrain will be: 'Yes, those gatherings that took place in Number Ten all those years ago were unwise, and Boris should perhaps have been more candid when questions were raised in January, but since then lessons have clearly been learnt - there have been no repetitions of such gatherings - and what with the Covid crisis at an end and the economy recovering, it's only fair to give Boris...'

Andy_JS said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

algarkirk said:

Roger said:

Anyone think this BJ thing is over listen to Any Answers. Listen particularly for ex John Major's Private Secretary (or similar). Hilarious. I'm not not talking studio audience I'm talking about the phone in afterwards. As a human being Johnson's finished

Most of the habitual Tories I know would not vote Tory today, or so they say. (I generally vote Tory in GEs but certainly would not so right now). But there is no sense of having given up on the Tories as such, any more than centrists gave up on Labour in the dark days of Corbyn.

I think that is correct

Conservative mps depose Boris and a new leader from Rishi , Truss, Hunt or Tugendhat with a clearance of cabinet inadequates of JRM, Dorries and a few others, would see a change of narrative

I will rejoin on Boris's exit which is more than likely some time this year

Hunt or Tugendhat are Remainers, I expect they would see barely any Remainers switch from Labour or LD to a Tories led by them post Brexit. However some Leavers currently voting Tory under Boris would likely switch to RefUK or Labour under them.

Truss was a Remainer even if now a committed Leaver and a libertarian, I expect she would also see leakage to RefUK and Labour, especially in the redwall. I also doubt any voters currently voting Labour or LD switch to a Truss led Tories.

Sunak as a Leaver is likely to see less switching to RefUK however I doubt he would win many voters from Labour or the LDs either. At most he might win a few voters back who voted for Cameron in 2015 but have voted LD for example since. However I also think he would not have the appeal Boris does to the white working class in the redwall

The Tories may be competitive in a number of Labour seats like Leicester East, Harrow West and Brent North if Rishi Sunak becomes leader.