But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phrase
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
I suspect that most Unionists will stay on in Independent Scotland too, but it doesn't mean that they will like it, and mourn their losses.
If it comes to that I am not sure what we would do to be honest. A lot depends on family which is more important than countries but I can see the balance of our family edging south over the next few years. As a Scots lawyer I will have to hang around until I retire. After that I am not so sure. But the views of those who choose to remain will still be more relevant than the views of those who choose to depart.
Scotland - at least my corner of it - is already far more welcoming to incomers than England is. I can't see how independence suddenly creates an anti-English or anti-Unionist hate that would force people out
How are you judging these things? If my corner of England is very welcoming does that prove all England is? If my corner is less so does that prove the other way?
How am I judging it? I've lived in various parts of England, I've seen the way that the English national psyche has turned more insular and nasty towards the other (the rise of the BNP then UKIP then Brexit and "fuck em" upthread). That England is no longer as open and tolerant as it was feels self-evident though I know the fuck em brigade will disagree.
And Scotland? I totally accept that my corner is not automatically representative. But then again I look at the Scottish government's "New Scots" policy and them having just won a 4th term on a record vote in a record turnout and conclude that there must be some merit in my argument.
There are so many wonderful people in England. There will be many nobbers in Scotland. But the direction of travel south of the wall feels a lot worse than north of it - and I have friends living in England in despair at what is happening to society.
Oh good grief. I know actual snowflakes who are less snowflakey than you, and recently-crippled jackals that are less whiney
Ironically they seem heavily formed by coming from Rochdale, home of the race riots. No doubt living in a massively less diverse country now feels very harmonious and welcoming.
Sometimes, when hardcore remainers mock brexit voters, saying that brexit will mean more brown and black immigrants, which they claim brexit voters don’t want, I wonder if perhaps those hardcore remainers quite liked that freedom of movement ensured that most immigrants were white, european, and christian. Different and exotic, but not actually brown or muslim.
But this may be too cynical, even for me.
I think some of them thought Leavers couldn’t tell the difference between an Indian with a Phd and a Romanian Big Issue seller. And of course a “Polish Plumber” was a boon to some and not to others.
True, although the original Polish Plumbers came in the late 90s and early 2000s when Poland was not in the EU and there was no freedom of movement - they came on work visas. So I’m not sure which side of the debate their coming helps.
As Ben Judah pointed out in his book, the Polish Plumbers were extremely pissed when the Romanians came in and undercut their prices
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phrase
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.
Ross County v Rangers is live on Sky and looks windy
Evidently they're getting hit worse up North today, but it's been less than tranquil down here as well. Running uphill into something that felt like a gale this morning was somewhat challenging.
Yes, very windy up here in west central Scotland today.
Here it is actually a reasonably decent day, mild, just a bit of wind, and about half blue sky.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phrase
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the back
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
Brexiteers need to moan about Remainers, we get that. Indeed it's the very lifeblood of some PBers.
And some pro-Indy Scot PBers need to moan about how bad the rest of the U.K. is, the country is awful etc etc. We get that too.
When I moan about the UK I am including Scotland , it is no paradise and is almost as crap as UK at present.
Funnily enough, I wasn’t thinking of you when I made that comment but more the likes of @Theuniondivvie who seems to portray Scotland as some sort of paradise as compared to the hell hole of the U.K.
I was not insinuating you were MrEd , just adding my tuppence worth. I for one don't see Scotland as it is as any paradise, big changes needed for sure and they will never happen whilst we are in the union. May not happen when independent but at least there will be a chance then.
You may even vote in a Scon government post independence
Unlikely, Scotland would become like Sweden, generally voting in social democratic governments like now, whether SNP or Labour. Only way the Conservatives would get in is with a broad alliance with the Liberals as in Sweden
Excuse me but you have no idea what the Scots would do post independence and away from Boris and Westminster
Someday Sturgeon and the SNP will have run their course and a Scon government is not at all impossible
An independent Scotland would be one of the most leftwing nations in the world. A centre right party might get about 30% on a good day, that is it. It would need the Liberals to ever form a government.
Scotland is only marginally more left wing than England. The SNP soak up a lot of @malcolmg types, so obscure the number of right wingers.
And centre-right is relative. The Tories are nearer US Dems than GOP nowadays.
Too busy -greenhouse to repair from wind damage - to do more than drop in for a moment - but amused how PBTories half the time claim that Scots are as rightwing and racist (or not) as other parts of the UK, [edit] so the prospects for Scons rule etc are bright, and half the time claim that they are a bunch of irredeemable lefties sui generis ...
Careful your straw men don’t blow away in the wind!
‘An independent Scotland would be one of the left wing nations in the world’
I'd like to see a polling question 'Would you think it useful for Boris Johnson to go to Russia/Ukraine to try to seek peace?'
If less than 80% said NO! Don't let him anywhere near' I'd be amazed
You could ask your brother, who has lived in Amsterdam “since he was 20” what he thinks?
Granted, he somehow didn’t notice that every single bar, hotel, cafe, restaurant and non essential shop in the Netherlands went into total lockdown for a month, over Christmas, and instead he thought there was some kind of “curfew at 8”, which “changed from day to day so it was hard to keep track”, so he might not be the brightest, but at least he has opinions
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
I suspect that most Unionists will stay on in Independent Scotland too, but it doesn't mean that they will like it, and mourn their losses.
If it comes to that I am not sure what we would do to be honest. A lot depends on family which is more important than countries but I can see the balance of our family edging south over the next few years. As a Scots lawyer I will have to hang around until I retire. After that I am not so sure. But the views of those who choose to remain will still be more relevant than the views of those who choose to depart.
Scotland - at least my corner of it - is already far more welcoming to incomers than England is. I can't see how independence suddenly creates an anti-English or anti-Unionist hate that would force people out
How are you judging these things? If my corner of England is very welcoming does that prove all England is? If my corner is less so does that prove the other way?
How am I judging it? I've lived in various parts of England, I've seen the way that the English national psyche has turned more insular and nasty towards the other (the rise of the BNP then UKIP then Brexit and "fuck em" upthread). That England is no longer as open and tolerant as it was feels self-evident though I know the fuck em brigade will disagree.
And Scotland? I totally accept that my corner is not automatically representative. But then again I look at the Scottish government's "New Scots" policy and them having just won a 4th term on a record vote in a record turnout and conclude that there must be some merit in my argument.
There are so many wonderful people in England. There will be many nobbers in Scotland. But the direction of travel south of the wall feels a lot worse than north of it - and I have friends living in England in despair at what is happening to society.
Oh good grief. I know actual snowflakes who are less snowflakey than you, and recently-crippled jackals that are less whiney
Ironically they seem heavily formed by coming from Rochdale, home of the race riots. No doubt living in a massively less diverse country now feels very harmonious and welcoming.
Sometimes, when hardcore remainers mock brexit voters, saying that brexit will mean more brown and black immigrants, which they claim brexit voters don’t want, I wonder if perhaps those hardcore remainers quite liked that freedom of movement ensured that most immigrants were white, european, and christian. Different and exotic, but not actually brown or muslim.
But this may be too cynical, even for me.
I think some of them thought Leavers couldn’t tell the difference between an Indian with a Phd and a Romanian Big Issue seller. And of course a “Polish Plumber” was a boon to some and not to others.
It’s funny how many of the most ardent Remainers were also keen on cheap Labour coming in but seemed to be far less keen on allowing opening up the borders when it came to professional services such as the Law…
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phrase
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.
I do, in fact, like to 'mix it up' when socializing. Less so these days but I can still surprise.
Mr. StillWaters, I liked that a lot too. Nicely bridges the Roman to Norman period in a single volume.
I can recommend his other books (particularly on the Norman Conquest). For a broader look at the European/Middle East/North African period 400-1000AD, Chris Wickham's Inheritance of Rome was very good indeed.
Incidentally, I can highly recommend this book, which I have just finished, including a section on Gobekli Tepi, and some even older cities. A very different history of the world.
It is a fascinating book. Every page has some new revelation. Those on PB.com who talk about freedoms may find it an interesting read for what it says about the development of a political sense of freedom and its deep history.
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phrase
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.
I do, in fact, like to 'mix it up' when socializing. Less so these days but I can still surprise.
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
I suspect that most Unionists will stay on in Independent Scotland too, but it doesn't mean that they will like it, and mourn their losses.
If it comes to that I am not sure what we would do to be honest. A lot depends on family which is more important than countries but I can see the balance of our family edging south over the next few years. As a Scots lawyer I will have to hang around until I retire. After that I am not so sure. But the views of those who choose to remain will still be more relevant than the views of those who choose to depart.
Scotland - at least my corner of it - is already far more welcoming to incomers than England is. I can't see how independence suddenly creates an anti-English or anti-Unionist hate that would force people out
How are you judging these things? If my corner of England is very welcoming does that prove all England is? If my corner is less so does that prove the other way?
How am I judging it? I've lived in various parts of England, I've seen the way that the English national psyche has turned more insular and nasty towards the other (the rise of the BNP then UKIP then Brexit and "fuck em" upthread). That England is no longer as open and tolerant as it was feels self-evident though I know the fuck em brigade will disagree.
And Scotland? I totally accept that my corner is not automatically representative. But then again I look at the Scottish government's "New Scots" policy and them having just won a 4th term on a record vote in a record turnout and conclude that there must be some merit in my argument.
There are so many wonderful people in England. There will be many nobbers in Scotland. But the direction of travel south of the wall feels a lot worse than north of it - and I have friends living in England in despair at what is happening to society.
Oh good grief. I know actual snowflakes who are less snowflakey than you, and recently-crippled jackals that are less whiney
Ironically they seem heavily formed by coming from Rochdale, home of the race riots. No doubt living in a massively less diverse country now feels very harmonious and welcoming.
Sometimes, when hardcore remainers mock brexit voters, saying that brexit will mean more brown and black immigrants, which they claim brexit voters don’t want, I wonder if perhaps those hardcore remainers quite liked that freedom of movement ensured that most immigrants were white, european, and christian. Different and exotic, but not actually brown or muslim.
But this may be too cynical, even for me.
I think some of them thought Leavers couldn’t tell the difference between an Indian with a Phd and a Romanian Big Issue seller. And of course a “Polish Plumber” was a boon to some and not to others.
It’s funny how many of the most ardent Remainers were also keen on cheap Labour coming in but seemed to be far less keen on allowing opening up the borders when it came to professional services such as the Law…
Where on earth did you get that from?
It’s fair to say a very disproportionate number of the most ardent Remainers - Grieve, Soubry, Clarke etc - were Barristers, a profession that, when it comes to putting up barriers to stop outside competition from coming in, makes China look like a rank amateur.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
RFK is someone I really, really hope end up in Hell. He's funded and organised anti-vax campaigns for nearly two decades.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phrase
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the back
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phrase
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the back
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?
I refer you to the greater expertise of @kinabalu - PB’s Honourable Member for Total Bullshitshire, West
If I lived in Southend West I would happily vote Conservative as a personal protest against the murder of MPs. It doesn't affect the outcome. The argument is, nor should it.
Are you *differentially* opposed to the murder of mps, and confident of getting through to the right audience?
What? I agree with FF43. Vote Tory in Southend West! (And, if that's what you were asking, I equally oppose murdering anyone else too.)
That's what differentially means to me, sure. I just don't think a vote for a lying slob complicit in the unnecessary abandonment of civilians to possible murder in Kabul sends the message you want. The opposite actually
Mmm, I see. I think voting Tory in Southend W won't be interpreted as a vote of confidence in British Afghanistan policy, though - just a message to murderers not to bother, you just get another MP with similar views. There will be other opportunities to express a view on the virtues or otherwise of Conservative government.
I do think it's surprising that a far-left groupuscule hasn't had a go, through. Someone like TUSC might even have saved their deposit and certainly got a fair amount of coverage.
If I had been one of the nutter candidates I would have rebadged as Anti Corruption Publish Gray In Full Now. Definite deposit saver, at least
You do all realise, don’t you, that the timelines for deciding what goes on the ballot paper next to your name make it impossible for any of these to have been done?
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
I see Javid announces a policy of nationalisation and immediately gets accused of privatising the NHS.
That obvious point out the way, having worked with the NHS for three years, I increasingly support Javid's view here. Whether it's around delivering community support services, funding, estate management or uniformity of service, these are best delivered by increasing the participation of Trusts (and the third sector) and reducing England's reliance on GPs.
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phrase
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the back
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?
I refer you to the greater expertise of @kinabalu - PB’s Honourable Member for Total Bullshitshire, West
If I lived in Southend West I would happily vote Conservative as a personal protest against the murder of MPs. It doesn't affect the outcome. The argument is, nor should it.
Are you *differentially* opposed to the murder of mps, and confident of getting through to the right audience?
What? I agree with FF43. Vote Tory in Southend West! (And, if that's what you were asking, I equally oppose murdering anyone else too.)
That's what differentially means to me, sure. I just don't think a vote for a lying slob complicit in the unnecessary abandonment of civilians to possible murder in Kabul sends the message you want. The opposite actually
Mmm, I see. I think voting Tory in Southend W won't be interpreted as a vote of confidence in British Afghanistan policy, though - just a message to murderers not to bother, you just get another MP with similar views. There will be other opportunities to express a view on the virtues or otherwise of Conservative government.
I do think it's surprising that a far-left groupuscule hasn't had a go, through. Someone like TUSC might even have saved their deposit and certainly got a fair amount of coverage.
If I had been one of the nutter candidates I would have rebadged as Anti Corruption Publish Gray In Full Now. Definite deposit saver, at least
You do all realise, don’t you, that the timelines for deciding what goes on the ballot paper next to your name make it impossible for any of these to have been done?
What an unbelievably boring point.
Yes.
Doesn't stop you restating your platform everywhere else, does it?
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phrase
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.
I do, in fact, like to 'mix it up' when socializing. Less so these days but I can still surprise.
Good for you for doing that, a very good habit.
Probably 60% of my friends are centre-left or left
Maybe 70%
That’s just how it Rolls in Flint Dildo World; I’ve learned to accept, and stay shtoom
My family is the opposite. Largely Brexiteers, quite fond of Boris, in our Family WhatsApp it’s the lefties who keep their heads down
Sky News are leading on Ukraine - Russia and Boris travelling there next week
It seems even they have given up on Sue Gray's filleted report and the appalling behaviour of Cressida Dick
Well what can they say? What looks to be maybe happening can't easily be spoken.
Or can it? - In return for having her contract renewed Cressida Dick is trying to nobble the Gray report in order to save Boris Johnson.
Is this what lots of posters on here think?
Boris has played a blinder here. The Tory Party wibbled with its VONC and went with the line 'Yes, he's gone but let's just wait for the Gray report before plunging the dagger'. So what does Boris do? Gets friend Cressida to fillet the report depriving the Tory rebellion - which was fading anyway - of any ammo it needed to convince the waverers. It's almost Cummings-esque in its nihilistic genius.
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
I suspect that most Unionists will stay on in Independent Scotland too, but it doesn't mean that they will like it, and mourn their losses.
If it comes to that I am not sure what we would do to be honest. A lot depends on family which is more important than countries but I can see the balance of our family edging south over the next few years. As a Scots lawyer I will have to hang around until I retire. After that I am not so sure. But the views of those who choose to remain will still be more relevant than the views of those who choose to depart.
Scotland - at least my corner of it - is already far more welcoming to incomers than England is. I can't see how independence suddenly creates an anti-English or anti-Unionist hate that would force people out
How are you judging these things? If my corner of England is very welcoming does that prove all England is? If my corner is less so does that prove the other way?
How am I judging it? I've lived in various parts of England, I've seen the way that the English national psyche has turned more insular and nasty towards the other (the rise of the BNP then UKIP then Brexit and "fuck em" upthread). That England is no longer as open and tolerant as it was feels self-evident though I know the fuck em brigade will disagree.
And Scotland? I totally accept that my corner is not automatically representative. But then again I look at the Scottish government's "New Scots" policy and them having just won a 4th term on a record vote in a record turnout and conclude that there must be some merit in my argument.
There are so many wonderful people in England. There will be many nobbers in Scotland. But the direction of travel south of the wall feels a lot worse than north of it - and I have friends living in England in despair at what is happening to society.
Oh good grief. I know actual snowflakes who are less snowflakey than you, and recently-crippled jackals that are less whiney
Ironically they seem heavily formed by coming from Rochdale, home of the race riots. No doubt living in a massively less diverse country now feels very harmonious and welcoming.
Sometimes, when hardcore remainers mock brexit voters, saying that brexit will mean more brown and black immigrants, which they claim brexit voters don’t want, I wonder if perhaps those hardcore remainers quite liked that freedom of movement ensured that most immigrants were white, european, and christian. Different and exotic, but not actually brown or muslim.
But this may be too cynical, even for me.
I think some of them thought Leavers couldn’t tell the difference between an Indian with a Phd and a Romanian Big Issue seller. And of course a “Polish Plumber” was a boon to some and not to others.
It’s funny how many of the most ardent Remainers were also keen on cheap Labour coming in but seemed to be far less keen on allowing opening up the borders when it came to professional services such as the Law…
Where on earth did you get that from?
It’s fair to say a very disproportionate number of the most ardent Remainers - Grieve, Soubry, Clarke etc - were Barristers, a profession that, when it comes to putting up barriers to stop outside competition from coming in, makes China look like a rank amateur.
I think it is bizarre in the extreme to suggest remainers were against free movement of anyone. Certainly in some professions there has to be checks on competence. I think the NHS is a good example. Encouraged people from anywhere, but need to ensure they are qualified. For most professions where harm can't be done there were no restrictions.
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phrase
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the back
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?
I refer you to the greater expertise of @kinabalu - PB’s Honourable Member for Total Bullshitshire, West
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
I suspect that most Unionists will stay on in Independent Scotland too, but it doesn't mean that they will like it, and mourn their losses.
If it comes to that I am not sure what we would do to be honest. A lot depends on family which is more important than countries but I can see the balance of our family edging south over the next few years. As a Scots lawyer I will have to hang around until I retire. After that I am not so sure. But the views of those who choose to remain will still be more relevant than the views of those who choose to depart.
Scotland - at least my corner of it - is already far more welcoming to incomers than England is. I can't see how independence suddenly creates an anti-English or anti-Unionist hate that would force people out
How are you judging these things? If my corner of England is very welcoming does that prove all England is? If my corner is less so does that prove the other way?
How am I judging it? I've lived in various parts of England, I've seen the way that the English national psyche has turned more insular and nasty towards the other (the rise of the BNP then UKIP then Brexit and "fuck em" upthread). That England is no longer as open and tolerant as it was feels self-evident though I know the fuck em brigade will disagree.
And Scotland? I totally accept that my corner is not automatically representative. But then again I look at the Scottish government's "New Scots" policy and them having just won a 4th term on a record vote in a record turnout and conclude that there must be some merit in my argument.
There are so many wonderful people in England. There will be many nobbers in Scotland. But the direction of travel south of the wall feels a lot worse than north of it - and I have friends living in England in despair at what is happening to society.
Oh good grief. I know actual snowflakes who are less snowflakey than you, and recently-crippled jackals that are less whiney
Ironically they seem heavily formed by coming from Rochdale, home of the race riots. No doubt living in a massively less diverse country now feels very harmonious and welcoming.
Yes, the multiculti and hyper-tolerant Mr Pioneers has, oddly, moved from one of the most racially diverse parts of the UK to probably the whitest part of the UK, an area which he thoroughly prefers, as it is supposedly more “welcoming” to others. There just aren’t any others being welcomed
Strange
This is a familiar phenomenon in many white liberal enclaves, scattered around the UK. It is not by any means limited to Scotland. I live in one. The demographics are closer to 1950s England, with non white people being very much the exception. The incomers pushing up house prices are wealthy white people, but they are typically woke in their politics; setting up things like a "womxn's theatre group" and having marches to welcome in refugees. It is a very curious thing.
"Refugees Welcome," just so long as they're all sent to live in poor people places where we never actually have to meet them.
In our case, the Council housed a handful of refugees, under significant political pressure, and despite the huge housing waiting list. The refugees attend monthly resettlement parties at the art house cinema. It is essentially a performance, to allow everyone feel good about themselves, whilst avoiding having to confront the actual problem that there is nowhere to put the one billion people that would like to move here.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
He definitely has nutters on, but also has many many very serious people.
The reality is the anti-vax stuff is a sideshow. He is crushing the mainstream model of entertainment, so the vested interests are rather incentivised to try and pick up on anything that discredits him.
Its a bit like how incredibly interested the BBC / Guardian were in phoning hacking at the NOTW (at totally coincidental time that Murdoch wanted to merge Sky and his newspaper empire), but have zero interest in the European Champion phone hackers, the Mirror, activities.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.
The illusion is entirely in the minds of the irreconciled Remainers. And it is the illusion that there was any change in the 'niceness' of Britain as a result of Brexit. It is one of those self fulfilling prophesies that bears no relation to reality. Remainers were convinced that the very act of Brexit - even though it was a decision to leave a political organisation - was in itself enough to remove that 'niceness'. And so no matter what Britain was like after Brexit, no matter what form Brexit took, they were always going to say the same thing.
It is an utter failure of reason on the part of the irreconciled Remainers and bears no relation to reality.
Sky News are leading on Ukraine - Russia and Boris travelling there next week
It seems even they have given up on Sue Gray's filleted report and the appalling behaviour of Cressida Dick
Well what can they say? What looks to be maybe happening can't easily be spoken.
Or can it? - In return for having her contract renewed Cressida Dick is trying to nobble the Gray report in order to save Boris Johnson.
Is this what lots of posters on here think?
Boris has played a blinder here. The Tory Party wibbled with its VONC and went with the line 'Yes, he's gone but let's just wait for the Gray report before plunging the dagger'. So what does Boris do? Gets friend Cressida to fillet the report depriving the Tory rebellion - which was fading anyway - of any ammo it needed to convince the waverers. It's almost Cummings-esque in its nihilistic genius.
I'm afraid you're violating the number one rule of mid-term governments - never believe it's brilliance when flakiness, misunderstanding and incompetence explain it just as well.
Sky News are leading on Ukraine - Russia and Boris travelling there next week
It seems even they have given up on Sue Gray's filleted report and the appalling behaviour of Cressida Dick
Well what can they say? What looks to be maybe happening can't easily be spoken.
Or can it? - In return for having her contract renewed Cressida Dick is trying to nobble the Gray report in order to save Boris Johnson.
Is this what lots of posters on here think?
Boris has played a blinder here. The Tory Party wibbled with its VONC and went with the line 'Yes, he's gone but let's just wait for the Gray report before plunging the dagger'. So what does Boris do? Gets friend Cressida to fillet the report depriving the Tory rebellion - which was fading anyway - of any ammo it needed to convince the waverers. It's almost Cummings-esque in its nihilistic genius.
Unless it doesn't work
My hopes are: Tory rebellion fading is spin from op save pig dog. They realise if they save him now there is a world of pain coming with the lies over kabul, he gets comprehensively vonced and we all ask why we ever expected anything else
Or a cabinet minister is just waiting for Gray prior to a move
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....when they spent all the 60/70s doing drugs and demanding everybody be left alone to be free to do what they liked.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
And that all the right wing defenders of the free market don't like businesses and consumers deciding who uses their platform......
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s
Sky News are leading on Ukraine - Russia and Boris travelling there next week
It seems even they have given up on Sue Gray's filleted report and the appalling behaviour of Cressida Dick
Well what can they say? What looks to be maybe happening can't easily be spoken.
Or can it? - In return for having her contract renewed Cressida Dick is trying to nobble the Gray report in order to save Boris Johnson.
Is this what lots of posters on here think?
Yes. Are other views available?
I think you can go with incompetence and crossed wires - and I usually would - but it does look sinister, especially the "we request that the report excludes anything serious" aspect. It's a new low if she is indeed in cahoots with him. Absolutely dreadful.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
He won’t be cancelled because he’s too valuable to Spotify and it’s share price. Also, it’s good marketing for Spotify. Plus also, if you can’t get Joni Mitchell, people can choose plenty of other music. That’s not the cAse if you can’t get Joe Rogan.
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
I suspect that most Unionists will stay on in Independent Scotland too, but it doesn't mean that they will like it, and mourn their losses.
If it comes to that I am not sure what we would do to be honest. A lot depends on family which is more important than countries but I can see the balance of our family edging south over the next few years. As a Scots lawyer I will have to hang around until I retire. After that I am not so sure. But the views of those who choose to remain will still be more relevant than the views of those who choose to depart.
Scotland - at least my corner of it - is already far more welcoming to incomers than England is. I can't see how independence suddenly creates an anti-English or anti-Unionist hate that would force people out
How are you judging these things? If my corner of England is very welcoming does that prove all England is? If my corner is less so does that prove the other way?
How am I judging it? I've lived in various parts of England, I've seen the way that the English national psyche has turned more insular and nasty towards the other (the rise of the BNP then UKIP then Brexit and "fuck em" upthread). That England is no longer as open and tolerant as it was feels self-evident though I know the fuck em brigade will disagree.
And Scotland? I totally accept that my corner is not automatically representative. But then again I look at the Scottish government's "New Scots" policy and them having just won a 4th term on a record vote in a record turnout and conclude that there must be some merit in my argument.
There are so many wonderful people in England. There will be many nobbers in Scotland. But the direction of travel south of the wall feels a lot worse than north of it - and I have friends living in England in despair at what is happening to society.
Oh good grief. I know actual snowflakes who are less snowflakey than you, and recently-crippled jackals that are less whiney
Ironically they seem heavily formed by coming from Rochdale, home of the race riots. No doubt living in a massively less diverse country now feels very harmonious and welcoming.
Sometimes, when hardcore remainers mock brexit voters, saying that brexit will mean more brown and black immigrants, which they claim brexit voters don’t want, I wonder if perhaps those hardcore remainers quite liked that freedom of movement ensured that most immigrants were white, european, and christian. Different and exotic, but not actually brown or muslim.
But this may be too cynical, even for me.
I think some of them thought Leavers couldn’t tell the difference between an Indian with a Phd and a Romanian Big Issue seller. And of course a “Polish Plumber” was a boon to some and not to others.
It’s funny how many of the most ardent Remainers were also keen on cheap Labour coming in but seemed to be far less keen on allowing opening up the borders when it came to professional services such as the Law…
“cheap Labour”?
Did I miss the rebranding?
“We campaigned as cheap Labour, we will govern as cheap Labour”?
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
He won’t be cancelled because he’s too valuable to Spotify and it’s share price. Also, it’s good marketing for Spotify. Plus also, if you can’t get Joni Mitchell, people can choose plenty of other music. That’s not the cAse if you can’t get Joe Rogan.
Not only is he too valuable, I imagine if his lawyers were even half decent, any attempts to remove him will require paying out his $100m contract.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s
I blame all the drugs for the memory loss...
You sound like the 130 year old widow of a retired major in the catering corps, and you don't know anything about Neil Young.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)
His personal (political) views, all over the spectrum....e.g. he is pro drugs, while being pro hunting.
In a way, his personal views are irrelevant. What he has built is a show that people from all over the political and social spectrum will go onto (e.g. Bernie Sanders went on, while somebody very ring wing like Ben Shapiro goes on), because he lets them talk without constant interruption and he has a good habit of knowing just enough to ask interesting questions.
Agreed but their overwhelming desire is to save the planet
You might be based and pilled but you know nothing about the Greens. Our overwhelming desire is to be proved right. We know the planet can't be saved at this point.
The Greens are the most entryism resistant of all the parties. We are too diverse, ill-disciplined and, in many cases, utterly disconnected from mainstream political thought.
Also, a large proportion of the Corbynites are culturally working class who would be suspected of having only one type of vinegar in their kitchens. It just doesn't work.
Many greens seem utterly disconnected from reality though. Looking at the Scottish variant MSP's they are a bunch of crazy ne'er do wells, nutjobs and downright nasties. How anyone could vote for that bunch of losers is beyond me, they would struggle to spell Green to boot..
And your solution is to vote for [checks notes] Salmond?
For now yes , I vote for Independence and SNP are not interested at present. If they change their tune then I will vote with biggest independence party.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
He definitely has nutters on, but also has many many very serious people.
The reality is the anti-vax stuff is a sideshow. He is crushing the mainstream model of entertainment, so the vested interests are rather incentivised to try and pick up on anything that discredits him.
Its a bit like how incredibly interested the BBC / Guardian were in phoning hacking at the NOTW (at totally coincidental time that Murdoch wanted to merge Sky and his newspaper empire), but have zero interest in the European Champion phone hackers, the Mirror, activities.
Also, the Mirror was on “their side” on the politics front.
I’d agree to a degree about the opposition being due to JR crushing their models but I do think it’s a less important part because their models have been crushed by far greater factors. It’s his politics, or more importantly, his allowing people whose views are deemed hostile by the US media establishment a much wider voice.
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phrase
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the back
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?
I refer you to the greater expertise of @kinabalu - PB’s Honourable Member for Total Bullshitshire, West
You forget the boundary review, which created a single Bullshitshire seat for the entire county, and you were elected unopposed as its representative.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
He won’t be cancelled because he’s too valuable to Spotify and it’s share price. Also, it’s good marketing for Spotify. Plus also, if you can’t get Joni Mitchell, people can choose plenty of other music. That’s not the cAse if you can’t get Joe Rogan.
Correct, it massively overplays Young's or Mitchell's hands. I listen to their music sometimes. But it's 0.1% of the content; I doubt I would even notice.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
And that all the right wing defenders of the free market don't like businesses and consumers deciding who uses their platform......
The free market would dictate that it would be the users not the suppliers who would decide what should stay on the market. In this case it is like Mr Organic Baked Beans (yes such a thing does exist) demanding that Asda stop selling Heinz.
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
I suspect that most Unionists will stay on in Independent Scotland too, but it doesn't mean that they will like it, and mourn their losses.
If it comes to that I am not sure what we would do to be honest. A lot depends on family which is more important than countries but I can see the balance of our family edging south over the next few years. As a Scots lawyer I will have to hang around until I retire. After that I am not so sure. But the views of those who choose to remain will still be more relevant than the views of those who choose to depart.
Scotland - at least my corner of it - is already far more welcoming to incomers than England is. I can't see how independence suddenly creates an anti-English or anti-Unionist hate that would force people out
How are you judging these things? If my corner of England is very welcoming does that prove all England is? If my corner is less so does that prove the other way?
How am I judging it? I've lived in various parts of England, I've seen the way that the English national psyche has turned more insular and nasty towards the other (the rise of the BNP then UKIP then Brexit and "fuck em" upthread). That England is no longer as open and tolerant as it was feels self-evident though I know the fuck em brigade will disagree.
And Scotland? I totally accept that my corner is not automatically representative. But then again I look at the Scottish government's "New Scots" policy and them having just won a 4th term on a record vote in a record turnout and conclude that there must be some merit in my argument.
There are so many wonderful people in England. There will be many nobbers in Scotland. But the direction of travel south of the wall feels a lot worse than north of it - and I have friends living in England in despair at what is happening to society.
Oh good grief. I know actual snowflakes who are less snowflakey than you, and recently-crippled jackals that are less whiney
Ironically they seem heavily formed by coming from Rochdale, home of the race riots. No doubt living in a massively less diverse country now feels very harmonious and welcoming.
Yes, the multiculti and hyper-tolerant Mr Pioneers has, oddly, moved from one of the most racially diverse parts of the UK to probably the whitest part of the UK, an area which he thoroughly prefers, as it is supposedly more “welcoming” to others. There just aren’t any others being welcomed
Strange
Its pretty multi-ethnic up here. A lot of Russians and Poles, families in our village school from places like Hungary and Latvia. A lot of English.
Incidentally, @maaarsh commenting about Rochdale and race riots - just wondering what actual lived experience he - or you - have of such things?
Many of the Lancashire cotton towns welcomed multiple waves of migrants from the commonwealth. Rochdale has sizeable Indian and Pakistani and Kashmiri and Bangladeshi populations, with similar seen in other neighbouring towns like Oldham (where I did my A-levels) and Burnley.
So, these "riots". The BNP came and worked away at some morons. Because communities tend to congregate together you would have different groups in different areas. Some of the shitkicker WWC thought they were being discriminated against because money was spent in a non-white area, the BNP picked at it, some got elected until they were very quickly laughed out of town.
I remember two "riots". One in the centre of Rochdale where BNP skinheads and anti-nazi skinheads went at each other. And one in Rochdale where two different ethnic groups had a scrap. When there are little townlets divided by hills its easy to segregate - Rochdale describes these as "townships" FFS
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)
His personal (political) views, all over the spectrum....
A handy guide. You'll forgive me if I look for further views.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
And that all the right wing defenders of the free market don't like businesses and consumers deciding who uses their platform......
The free market would dictate that it would be the users not the suppliers who would decide what should stay on the market. In this case it is like Mr Organic Baked Beans (yes such a thing does exist) demanding that Asda stop selling Heinz.
They are not demanding it. They are saying they dont want to share space on Asda with Heinz. Plenty of brands won't share space with other brands.
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phrase
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the back
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?
I refer you to the greater expertise of @kinabalu - PB’s Honourable Member for Total Bullshitshire, West
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s
I blame all the drugs for the memory loss...
My favourite example of this is Mick Jagger’s autobiography. A man famously keen on wealth, offered trillions for the book, but then had to abandon it because he “honestly could not remember most of it”
From what I hear, this is true. For him, it is just a blur (not an excuse). All those 1000s of women, conquered, and it all fades into amnesia
Quite a contrast with Elton John it is worth noting,. Whose autobiography (as i have menshed on here) is a work of genius, Gloriously funny. And he remembers EVERYTHING, right down to the juiciest detail of Princess Margaret or the Beatles or George Michael or whoever
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s
I blame all the drugs for the memory loss...
You sound like the 130 year old widow of a retired major in the catering corps, and you don't know anything about Neil Young.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
And that all the right wing defenders of the free market don't like businesses and consumers deciding who uses their platform......
The free market would dictate that it would be the users not the suppliers who would decide what should stay on the market. In this case it is like Mr Organic Baked Beans (yes such a thing does exist) demanding that Asda stop selling Heinz.
They are not demanding it. They are saying they dont want to share space on Asda with Heinz. Plenty of brands won't share space with other brands.
"The singer, 78, said she was standing 'in solidarity' with Young who this week demanded Spotify take down his songs unless the platform agrees to stop carrying The Joe Rogan Experience podcast."
She wants Asda not to sell Heinz, she says Spotify "is 'costing people their lives"
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
Brexiteers need to moan about Remainers, we get that. Indeed it's the very lifeblood of some PBers.
And some pro-Indy Scot PBers need to moan about how bad the rest of the U.K. is, the country is awful etc etc. We get that too.
When I moan about the UK I am including Scotland , it is no paradise and is almost as crap as UK at present.
Funnily enough, I wasn’t thinking of you when I made that comment but more the likes of @Theuniondivvie who seems to portray Scotland as some sort of paradise as compared to the hell hole of the U.K.
I was not insinuating you were MrEd , just adding my tuppence worth. I for one don't see Scotland as it is as any paradise, big changes needed for sure and they will never happen whilst we are in the union. May not happen when independent but at least there will be a chance then.
You may even vote in a Scon government post independence
Unlikely, Scotland would become like Sweden, generally voting in social democratic governments like now, whether SNP or Labour. Only way the Conservatives would get in is with a broad alliance with the Liberals as in Sweden
Excuse me but you have no idea what the Scots would do post independence and away from Boris and Westminster
Someday Sturgeon and the SNP will have run their course and a Scon government is not at all impossible
An independent Scotland would be one of the most leftwing nations in the world. A centre right party might get about 30% on a good day, that is it. It would need the Liberals to ever form a government.
Scotland is only marginally more left wing than England. The SNP soak up a lot of @malcolmg types, so obscure the number of right wingers.
And centre-right is relative. The Tories are nearer US Dems than GOP nowadays.
Where do you get me for SNP, I am interested in independence NOT some two bit political party. @Eabhal
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s
I blame all the drugs for the memory loss...
My favourite example of this is Mick Jagger’s autobiography. A man famously keen on wealth, offered trillions for the book, but then had to abandon it because he “honestly could not remember most of it”
From what I hear, this is true. For him, it is just a blur (not an excuse). All those 1000s of women, conquered, and it all fades into amnesia
Quite a contrast with Elton John it is worth noting,. Whose autobiography (as i have menshed on here) is a work of genius, Gloriously funny. And he remembers EVERYTHING, right down to the juiciest detail of Princess Margaret or the Beatles or George Michael or whoever
I was quite surprised to learn that it was Elton's long-term writing partner, Bernie Taupin, who got Alice Cooper addicted to cocaine.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
How is Alex Jones not a nut job? He cried when Trump bombed Syria for a start.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)
His personal (political) views, all over the spectrum....
A handy guide. You'll forgive me if I look for further views.
He really is all over the place. It is very hard to pin down or label him. Which again is probably part of the reason for his popularity, it is much more like how many normal people are, different issues, different takes on how they feel about it.
Sky News are leading on Ukraine - Russia and Boris travelling there next week
It seems even they have given up on Sue Gray's filleted report and the appalling behaviour of Cressida Dick
Well what can they say? What looks to be maybe happening can't easily be spoken.
Or can it? - In return for having her contract renewed Cressida Dick is trying to nobble the Gray report in order to save Boris Johnson.
Is this what lots of posters on here think?
Boris has played a blinder here. The Tory Party wibbled with its VONC and went with the line 'Yes, he's gone but let's just wait for the Gray report before plunging the dagger'. So what does Boris do? Gets friend Cressida to fillet the report depriving the Tory rebellion - which was fading anyway - of any ammo it needed to convince the waverers. It's almost Cummings-esque in its nihilistic genius.
Unless it doesn't work
My hopes are: Tory rebellion fading is spin from op save pig dog. They realise if they save him now there is a world of pain coming with the lies over kabul, he gets comprehensively vonced and we all ask why we ever expected anything else
Or a cabinet minister is just waiting for Gray prior to a move
Or Gray shows he lied to the house and he goes
The 'Lying To Parliament' lurks there like a croc in the murky waters. He did, this is clear, and the clinching evidence can't be forever suppressed. Trouble is, I bet he STILL wouldn't resign.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
And that all the right wing defenders of the free market don't like businesses and consumers deciding who uses their platform......
The free market would dictate that it would be the users not the suppliers who would decide what should stay on the market. In this case it is like Mr Organic Baked Beans (yes such a thing does exist) demanding that Asda stop selling Heinz.
They are not demanding it. They are saying they dont want to share space on Asda with Heinz. Plenty of brands won't share space with other brands.
Nope. They said that Spotify should remove Rogan or they would leave. It was a threat they made in an attempt to get him banned. Neil Young in particular (whose music I absolutely love and listen to a hundred times more than I have ever listened to Rogan) thought that his threat would be enough to get Rogan kicked off. He was, so far, thankfully wrong.
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
I suspect that most Unionists will stay on in Independent Scotland too, but it doesn't mean that they will like it, and mourn their losses.
If it comes to that I am not sure what we would do to be honest. A lot depends on family which is more important than countries but I can see the balance of our family edging south over the next few years. As a Scots lawyer I will have to hang around until I retire. After that I am not so sure. But the views of those who choose to remain will still be more relevant than the views of those who choose to depart.
Scotland - at least my corner of it - is already far more welcoming to incomers than England is. I can't see how independence suddenly creates an anti-English or anti-Unionist hate that would force people out
How are you judging these things? If my corner of England is very welcoming does that prove all England is? If my corner is less so does that prove the other way?
How am I judging it? I've lived in various parts of England, I've seen the way that the English national psyche has turned more insular and nasty towards the other (the rise of the BNP then UKIP then Brexit and "fuck em" upthread). That England is no longer as open and tolerant as it was feels self-evident though I know the fuck em brigade will disagree.
And Scotland? I totally accept that my corner is not automatically representative. But then again I look at the Scottish government's "New Scots" policy and them having just won a 4th term on a record vote in a record turnout and conclude that there must be some merit in my argument.
There are so many wonderful people in England. There will be many nobbers in Scotland. But the direction of travel south of the wall feels a lot worse than north of it - and I have friends living in England in despair at what is happening to society.
Oh good grief. I know actual snowflakes who are less snowflakey than you, and recently-crippled jackals that are less whiney
Ironically they seem heavily formed by coming from Rochdale, home of the race riots. No doubt living in a massively less diverse country now feels very harmonious and welcoming.
Sometimes, when hardcore remainers mock brexit voters, saying that brexit will mean more brown and black immigrants, which they claim brexit voters don’t want, I wonder if perhaps those hardcore remainers quite liked that freedom of movement ensured that most immigrants were white, european, and christian. Different and exotic, but not actually brown or muslim.
But this may be too cynical, even for me.
I think some of them thought Leavers couldn’t tell the difference between an Indian with a Phd and a Romanian Big Issue seller. And of course a “Polish Plumber” was a boon to some and not to others.
It’s funny how many of the most ardent Remainers were also keen on cheap Labour coming in but seemed to be far less keen on allowing opening up the borders when it came to professional services such as the Law…
Where on earth did you get that from?
It’s fair to say a very disproportionate number of the most ardent Remainers - Grieve, Soubry, Clarke etc - were Barristers, a profession that, when it comes to putting up barriers to stop outside competition from coming in, makes China look like a rank amateur.
I think it is bizarre in the extreme to suggest remainers were against free movement of anyone. Certainly in some professions there has to be checks on competence. I think the NHS is a good example. Encouraged people from anywhere, but need to ensure they are qualified. For most professions where harm can't be done there were no restrictions.
Your last sentence should be modified to “for most professions where harm couldn’t be done to their own interests, there were no restrictions”.
If you work in the NHS, you don’t care if more immigrants come in (and welcome it if it means less work) because your pay / pensions are protected and the increased numbers make no difference. Same goes for areas such as teachers etc.
In the Law and Accounting, though, I’m always surprised at how few people from EU countries there were (ex-Ireland) especially as the firms were international groups that could move people around between offices.
If your point is on loss to life and limb, arguably you could say that someone who was selling their services fiddling around with plumbing, electrics and the construction of a house should be more subject to regulations given there is a direct risk to life / harm if they screw things up.
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phrase
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the back
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?
I refer you to the greater expertise of @kinabalu - PB’s Honourable Member for Total Bullshitshire, West
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
I thought the article was going to be about British people who've left due to Brexit, but in fact nearly everyone in it is someone from another country who moved to the UK for a number of years and then decided to return to their home country.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
And that all the right wing defenders of the free market don't like businesses and consumers deciding who uses their platform......
The free market would dictate that it would be the users not the suppliers who would decide what should stay on the market. In this case it is like Mr Organic Baked Beans (yes such a thing does exist) demanding that Asda stop selling Heinz.
They are not demanding it. They are saying they dont want to share space on Asda with Heinz. Plenty of brands won't share space with other brands.
"The singer, 78, said she was standing 'in solidarity' with Young who this week demanded Spotify take down his songs unless the platform agrees to stop carrying The Joe Rogan Experience podcast."
She wants Asda not to sell Heinz, she says Spotify "is 'costing people their lives"
Lets look at what Young actually said, rather than what is reported by third parties. It is clear this is in no sense demanding Spotify doing something, but him deciding the conditions for how his content is supplied.
“I support free speech,” Young wrote in a letter posted to his Neil Young Archives site. “I have never been in favor of censorship. Private companies have the right to choose what they profit from, just as I can choose not to have my music support a platform that disseminates harmful information. I am happy and proud to stand in solidarity with the front line health care workers who risk their lives every day to help others.”
As of now, Spotify has taken down Young's music from their platform, as per the artist's request. "They can have [Joe] Rogan or Young. Not both,” Young said last week
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phrase
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the back
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?
I refer you to the greater expertise of @kinabalu - PB’s Honourable Member for Total Bullshitshire, West
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
And that all the right wing defenders of the free market don't like businesses and consumers deciding who uses their platform......
The free market would dictate that it would be the users not the suppliers who would decide what should stay on the market. In this case it is like Mr Organic Baked Beans (yes such a thing does exist) demanding that Asda stop selling Heinz.
They are not demanding it. They are saying they dont want to share space on Asda with Heinz. Plenty of brands won't share space with other brands.
Nope. They said that Spotify should remove Rogan or they would leave. It was a threat they made in an attempt to get him banned. Neil Young in particular (whose music I absolutely love and listen to a hundred times more than I have ever listened to Rogan) thought that his threat would be enough to get Rogan kicked off. He was, so far, thankfully wrong.
Quite laughable he thought that his threat would persuade Spotify to take Joe Rogan off. A legend in his own mind.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.
If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
And that all the right wing defenders of the free market don't like businesses and consumers deciding who uses their platform......
The free market would dictate that it would be the users not the suppliers who would decide what should stay on the market. In this case it is like Mr Organic Baked Beans (yes such a thing does exist) demanding that Asda stop selling Heinz.
They are not demanding it. They are saying they dont want to share space on Asda with Heinz. Plenty of brands won't share space with other brands.
Nope. They said that Spotify should remove Rogan or they would leave. It was a threat they made in an attempt to get him banned. Neil Young in particular (whose music I absolutely love and listen to a hundred times more than I have ever listened to Rogan) thought that his threat would be enough to get Rogan kicked off. He was, so far, thankfully wrong.
It was an ultimatum or a threat if you like, sure, that is different to a demand. It is a completely normal and unremarkable part of commerce for brands to decide who they are associated with.
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phrase
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the back
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?
I refer you to the greater expertise of @kinabalu - PB’s Honourable Member for Total Bullshitshire, West
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
And that all the right wing defenders of the free market don't like businesses and consumers deciding who uses their platform......
The free market would dictate that it would be the users not the suppliers who would decide what should stay on the market. In this case it is like Mr Organic Baked Beans (yes such a thing does exist) demanding that Asda stop selling Heinz.
They are not demanding it. They are saying they dont want to share space on Asda with Heinz. Plenty of brands won't share space with other brands.
"The singer, 78, said she was standing 'in solidarity' with Young who this week demanded Spotify take down his songs unless the platform agrees to stop carrying The Joe Rogan Experience podcast."
She wants Asda not to sell Heinz, she says Spotify "is 'costing people their lives"
Lets look at what Young actually said, rather than what is reported by third parties. It is clear this is in no sense demanding Spotify doing something, but him deciding the conditions for how his content is supplied.
“I support free speech,” Young wrote in a letter posted to his Neil Young Archives site. “I have never been in favor of censorship. Private companies have the right to choose what they profit from, just as I can choose not to have my music support a platform that disseminates harmful information. I am happy and proud to stand in solidarity with the front line health care workers who risk their lives every day to help others.”
As of now, Spotify has taken down Young's music from their platform, as per the artist's request. "They can have [Joe] Rogan or Young. Not both,” Young said last week
Yes, that's fair enough. Young is absolutely entitled to withdraw material he owns the property rights to from a platform if he feels that's a way of flagging up dangerous anti-vax propaganda.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.
If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
He doesn't have a deep carefully crafted consistent intellectual world ideology, he is a cage fighting commentator who likes talking to interesting people. He doesn't see himself like Prof Peston as some amateur expert on every subject.
Its the fact that interesting people are happy to go and talk to him, because he gives them time and space to explain their subject and bright enough to ask the sort of question most normal people want to ask an expert if they met them in the pub.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
How is Alex Jones not a nut job? He cried when Trump bombed Syria for a start.
Fair point, he is a nut job. But he’s definitely not representative of Rogan’s guests.
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phrase
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the back
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?
I refer you to the greater expertise of @kinabalu - PB’s Honourable Member for Total Bullshitshire, West
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.
If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
He doesn't have a deep carefully crafted consistent intellectual world ideology, he is a cage fighting commentator who likes talking to interesting people. He doesn't seem himself like Prof Peston as some amateur expert on every subject.
Its the fact that interesting people are happy to go and talk to him, because he gives them time and space to explain their subject and bright enough to ask the sort of question most normal people want to ask an expert.
"cage fighting commentator " - surely therefore an idiot? Am I missing anything?
Thinking back on the Graygate saga, feels like one of two things is true: 1. She has uncovered some serious shit that the police really need to dig into with a clear slate. Like Perverting the Course of Justice 2. Its a cover-up. Doesn't look good for the system to have the PM and civil service breaking the rules on such a grand scale, so go all in and have a compliant Met bury it.
Still not sure which it is. Would be good news for Boris and his off-shore fan club if it wasn't for this simple truth: there is more to come. Boris is not an honest politician, not a competent politician and is almost certain to have done a lot more than we already know. And thats not just parties, its the flat refurb, PPE contracts, the whole smash.
So the "he'll get away with this and people will move on" hope is built on this being the lot. Such hopes have been expressed before. And every time more pain is leaked to the press...
The storm is already blowing over. People are moving on. The Conservatives have had a strong poll recovery this week with one poll even having a tiny 4% Labour lead.
Tonight's poll with opinium will confirm a further swing towards the Conservatives.
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
I suspect that most Unionists will stay on in Independent Scotland too, but it doesn't mean that they will like it, and mourn their losses.
If it comes to that I am not sure what we would do to be honest. A lot depends on family which is more important than countries but I can see the balance of our family edging south over the next few years. As a Scots lawyer I will have to hang around until I retire. After that I am not so sure. But the views of those who choose to remain will still be more relevant than the views of those who choose to depart.
Scotland - at least my corner of it - is already far more welcoming to incomers than England is. I can't see how independence suddenly creates an anti-English or anti-Unionist hate that would force people out
How are you judging these things? If my corner of England is very welcoming does that prove all England is? If my corner is less so does that prove the other way?
How am I judging it? I've lived in various parts of England, I've seen the way that the English national psyche has turned more insular and nasty towards the other (the rise of the BNP then UKIP then Brexit and "fuck em" upthread). That England is no longer as open and tolerant as it was feels self-evident though I know the fuck em brigade will disagree.
And Scotland? I totally accept that my corner is not automatically representative. But then again I look at the Scottish government's "New Scots" policy and them having just won a 4th term on a record vote in a record turnout and conclude that there must be some merit in my argument.
There are so many wonderful people in England. There will be many nobbers in Scotland. But the direction of travel south of the wall feels a lot worse than north of it - and I have friends living in England in despair at what is happening to society.
Oh good grief. I know actual snowflakes who are less snowflakey than you, and recently-crippled jackals that are less whiney
Ironically they seem heavily formed by coming from Rochdale, home of the race riots. No doubt living in a massively less diverse country now feels very harmonious and welcoming.
Yes, the multiculti and hyper-tolerant Mr Pioneers has, oddly, moved from one of the most racially diverse parts of the UK to probably the whitest part of the UK, an area which he thoroughly prefers, as it is supposedly more “welcoming” to others. There just aren’t any others being welcomed
Strange
Its pretty multi-ethnic up here. A lot of Russians and Poles, families in our village school from places like Hungary and Latvia. A lot of English.
Incidentally, @maaarsh commenting about Rochdale and race riots - just wondering what actual lived experience he - or you - have of such things?
Many of the Lancashire cotton towns welcomed multiple waves of migrants from the commonwealth. Rochdale has sizeable Indian and Pakistani and Kashmiri and Bangladeshi populations, with similar seen in other neighbouring towns like Oldham (where I did my A-levels) and Burnley.
So, these "riots". The BNP came and worked away at some morons. Because communities tend to congregate together you would have different groups in different areas. Some of the shitkicker WWC thought they were being discriminated against because money was spent in a non-white area, the BNP picked at it, some got elected until they were very quickly laughed out of town.
I remember two "riots". One in the centre of Rochdale where BNP skinheads and anti-nazi skinheads went at each other. And one in Rochdale where two different ethnic groups had a scrap. When there are little townlets divided by hills its easy to segregate - Rochdale describes these as "townships" FFS
To be fair though, Oldham did have some pretty bad trouble between the two communities and it wasn’t just stirred up by one side. Don’t know if it has improved.
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
Brexiteers need to moan about Remainers, we get that. Indeed it's the very lifeblood of some PBers.
And some pro-Indy Scot PBers need to moan about how bad the rest of the U.K. is, the country is awful etc etc. We get that too.
When I moan about the UK I am including Scotland , it is no paradise and is almost as crap as UK at present.
Funnily enough, I wasn’t thinking of you when I made that comment but more the likes of @Theuniondivvie who seems to portray Scotland as some sort of paradise as compared to the hell hole of the U.K.
I was not insinuating you were MrEd , just adding my tuppence worth. I for one don't see Scotland as it is as any paradise, big changes needed for sure and they will never happen whilst we are in the union. May not happen when independent but at least there will be a chance then.
You may even vote in a Scon government post independence
Unlikely, Scotland would become like Sweden, generally voting in social democratic governments like now, whether SNP or Labour. Only way the Conservatives would get in is with a broad alliance with the Liberals as in Sweden
Excuse me but you have no idea what the Scots would do post independence and away from Boris and Westminster
Someday Sturgeon and the SNP will have run their course and a Scon government is not at all impossible
An independent Scotland would be one of the most leftwing nations in the world. A centre right party might get about 30% on a good day, that is it. It would need the Liberals to ever form a government.
Scotland is only marginally more left wing than England. The SNP soak up a lot of @malcolmg types, so obscure the number of right wingers.
And centre-right is relative. The Tories are nearer US Dems than GOP nowadays.
Too busy -greenhouse to repair from wind damage - to do more than drop in for a moment - but amused how PBTories half the time claim that Scots are as rightwing and racist (or not) as other parts of the UK, [edit] so the prospects for Scons rule etc are bright, and half the time claim that they are a bunch of irredeemable lefties sui generis ...
I don't think it is that, it is one poster's naive misunderstanding of the reason for the absence of racial intolerance in his new surroundings
Top tip: congratulate right-on Tasmanians on how little problem they have with their aboriginal population compared to the mainland.
No, that contrast in PBTory perceptions is there all right. Very obvious today. Irrespective of what the actual situation is or isn't.
If I lived in Southend West I would happily vote Conservative as a personal protest against the murder of MPs. It doesn't affect the outcome. The argument is, nor should it.
Are you *differentially* opposed to the murder of mps, and confident of getting through to the right audience?
What? I agree with FF43. Vote Tory in Southend West! (And, if that's what you were asking, I equally oppose murdering anyone else too.)
That's what differentially means to me, sure. I just don't think a vote for a lying slob complicit in the unnecessary abandonment of civilians to possible murder in Kabul sends the message you want. The opposite actually
Mmm, I see. I think voting Tory in Southend W won't be interpreted as a vote of confidence in British Afghanistan policy, though - just a message to murderers not to bother, you just get another MP with similar views. There will be other opportunities to express a view on the virtues or otherwise of Conservative government.
I do think it's surprising that a far-left groupuscule hasn't had a go, through. Someone like TUSC might even have saved their deposit and certainly got a fair amount of coverage.
If I had been one of the nutter candidates I would have rebadged as Anti Corruption Publish Gray In Full Now. Definite deposit saver, at least
You do all realise, don’t you, that the timelines for deciding what goes on the ballot paper next to your name make it impossible for any of these to have been done?
What an unbelievably boring point.
Yes.
Doesn't stop you restating your platform everywhere else, does it?
yeah, fire up the QUITE klaxon, boys, we're going to need it.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.
If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
He doesn't have a deep carefully crafted consistent intellectual world ideology, he is a cage fighting commentator who likes talking to interesting people. He doesn't seem himself like Prof Peston as some amateur expert on every subject.
Its the fact that interesting people are happy to go and talk to him, because he gives them time and space to explain their subject and bright enough to ask the sort of question most normal people want to ask an expert.
"cage fighting commentator " - surely therefore an idiot? Am I missing anything?
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.
If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
He doesn't have a deep carefully crafted consistent intellectual world ideology, he is a cage fighting commentator who likes talking to interesting people. He doesn't seem himself like Prof Peston as some amateur expert on every subject.
Its the fact that interesting people are happy to go and talk to him, because he gives them time and space to explain their subject and bright enough to ask the sort of question most normal people want to ask an expert.
"cage fighting commentator " - surely therefore an idiot? Am I missing anything?
I think your personal prejudices are showing. Dan Hardy and Dominick Cruz also commentate on cage fighting, both highly intelligent and articulate.
Joe Rogan isn't a genius, but he doesn't pretend to be. He is a normal bloke, who does some reading, but has the ability to bring the best out of guests by asking pertinent questions.
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phrase
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the back
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?
I refer you to the greater expertise of @kinabalu - PB’s Honourable Member for Total Bullshitshire, West
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.
If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
He doesn't have a deep carefully crafted consistent intellectual world ideology, he is a cage fighting commentator who likes talking to interesting people. He doesn't seem himself like Prof Peston as some amateur expert on every subject.
Its the fact that interesting people are happy to go and talk to him, because he gives them time and space to explain their subject and bright enough to ask the sort of question most normal people want to ask an expert.
"cage fighting commentator " - surely therefore an idiot? Am I missing anything?
He had bit part in some shit sitcom too. His Fields Medal is in the post.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.
If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
He doesn't have a deep carefully crafted consistent intellectual world ideology, he is a cage fighting commentator who likes talking to interesting people. He doesn't seem himself like Prof Peston as some amateur expert on every subject.
Its the fact that interesting people are happy to go and talk to him, because he gives them time and space to explain their subject and bright enough to ask the sort of question most normal people want to ask an expert.
"cage fighting commentator " - surely therefore an idiot? Am I missing anything?
I think your personal prejudices are showing. Dan Hardy and Dominick Cruz also commentate on cage fighting, both highly intelligent and articulate.
Joe Rogan isn't a genius, but he doesn't pretend to be. He is a normal bloke, who does some reading, but has the ability to bring the best out of guests by asking pertinent questions.
Of course my prejudices are showing... 'cage fight' - no. I don't mind the fight, I don't mind even the cage, but I do mind that two stupid things might be thought worth observing.
Thinking back on the Graygate saga, feels like one of two things is true: 1. She has uncovered some serious shit that the police really need to dig into with a clear slate. Like Perverting the Course of Justice 2. Its a cover-up. Doesn't look good for the system to have the PM and civil service breaking the rules on such a grand scale, so go all in and have a compliant Met bury it.
Still not sure which it is. Would be good news for Boris and his off-shore fan club if it wasn't for this simple truth: there is more to come. Boris is not an honest politician, not a competent politician and is almost certain to have done a lot more than we already know. And thats not just parties, its the flat refurb, PPE contracts, the whole smash.
So the "he'll get away with this and people will move on" hope is built on this being the lot. Such hopes have been expressed before. And every time more pain is leaked to the press...
The storm is already blowing over. People are moving on. The Conservatives have had a strong poll recovery this week with one poll even having a tiny 4% Labour lead.
Tonight's poll with opinium will confirm a further swing towards the Conservatives.
I’m at home with the folks and Papa Ed asked why the hell everyone was bothered about people drinking wine at Number 10 when there was the trouble in the Ukraine and everything else.
He also did go a bit @cyclefree by saying that the Met are an absolute joke, given what happened with the woman killed by her ex and the other stuff.
Finally, he asked me what was the meaning of “woke” and where did it come from. I, of course, gave him a neutral opinion 😀
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.
If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
He doesn't have a deep carefully crafted consistent intellectual world ideology, he is a cage fighting commentator who likes talking to interesting people. He doesn't seem himself like Prof Peston as some amateur expert on every subject.
Its the fact that interesting people are happy to go and talk to him, because he gives them time and space to explain their subject and bright enough to ask the sort of question most normal people want to ask an expert.
"cage fighting commentator " - surely therefore an idiot? Am I missing anything?
Sky News are leading on Ukraine - Russia and Boris travelling there next week
It seems even they have given up on Sue Gray's filleted report and the appalling behaviour of Cressida Dick
Well what can they say? What looks to be maybe happening can't easily be spoken.
Or can it? - In return for having her contract renewed Cressida Dick is trying to nobble the Gray report in order to save Boris Johnson.
Is this what lots of posters on here think?
Boris has played a blinder here. The Tory Party wibbled with its VONC and went with the line 'Yes, he's gone but let's just wait for the Gray report before plunging the dagger'. So what does Boris do? Gets friend Cressida to fillet the report depriving the Tory rebellion - which was fading anyway - of any ammo it needed to convince the waverers. It's almost Cummings-esque in its nihilistic genius.
Unless it doesn't work
My hopes are: Tory rebellion fading is spin from op save pig dog. They realise if they save him now there is a world of pain coming with the lies over kabul, he gets comprehensively vonced and we all ask why we ever expected anything else
Or a cabinet minister is just waiting for Gray prior to a move
Or Gray shows he lied to the house and he goes
The 'Lying To Parliament' lurks there like a croc in the murky waters. He did, this is clear, and the clinching evidence can't be forever suppressed. Trouble is, I bet he STILL wouldn't resign.
Sky News are leading on Ukraine - Russia and Boris travelling there next week
It seems even they have given up on Sue Gray's filleted report and the appalling behaviour of Cressida Dick
Well what can they say? What looks to be maybe happening can't easily be spoken.
Or can it? - In return for having her contract renewed Cressida Dick is trying to nobble the Gray report in order to save Boris Johnson.
Is this what lots of posters on here think?
Boris has played a blinder here. The Tory Party wibbled with its VONC and went with the line 'Yes, he's gone but let's just wait for the Gray report before plunging the dagger'. So what does Boris do? Gets friend Cressida to fillet the report depriving the Tory rebellion - which was fading anyway - of any ammo it needed to convince the waverers. It's almost Cummings-esque in its nihilistic genius.
I'm afraid you're violating the number one rule of mid-term governments - never believe it's brilliance when flakiness, misunderstanding and incompetence explain it just as well.
I would have said the rule of mid-term governments would have been the other way around.
Never assume it is some fundamental failing when boredom and the need for something to report on explain it just as well.
At times, this feels like omnishambles or plebgate or that nonsense about pasties or any other midterm scandal. It is, really, only the possible cover-up and questions of who knew what, when that raises this into significance.
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimes
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges them
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70s
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.
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Johnson 16 years ago explaining strategy of "making so many gaffes media doesn't know which to concentrate on." Hat tip @david_herdson
If less than 80% said NO! Don't let him anywhere near' I'd be amazed
At least one man not made o’ straw for ye.
Or can it? - In return for having her contract renewed Cressida Dick is trying to nobble the Gray report in order to save Boris Johnson.
Is this what lots of posters on here think?
Granted, he somehow didn’t notice that every single bar, hotel, cafe, restaurant and non essential shop in the Netherlands went into total lockdown for a month, over Christmas, and instead he thought there was some kind of “curfew at 8”, which “changed from day to day so it was hard to keep track”, so he might not be the brightest, but at least he has opinions
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?
https://t.co/m7NKUOkKsU
I see Javid announces a policy of nationalisation and immediately gets accused of privatising the NHS.
That obvious point out the way, having worked with the NHS for three years, I increasingly support Javid's view here. Whether it's around delivering community support services, funding, estate management or uniformity of service, these are best delivered by increasing the participation of Trusts (and the third sector) and reducing England's reliance on GPs.
Yes.
Doesn't stop you restating your platform everywhere else, does it?
Maybe 70%
That’s just how it Rolls in Flint Dildo World; I’ve learned to accept, and stay shtoom
My family is the opposite. Largely Brexiteers, quite fond of Boris, in our Family WhatsApp it’s the lefties who keep their heads down
In a thousand years will we have pubs such as the 'Remainers Rest', the ' Battle of Brexit', 'Johnson's Johnson', 'The Sir Keir Starmer Solicitude'
The reality is the anti-vax stuff is a sideshow. He is crushing the mainstream model of entertainment, so the vested interests are rather incentivised to try and pick up on anything that discredits him.
Its a bit like how incredibly interested the BBC / Guardian were in phoning hacking at the NOTW (at totally coincidental time that Murdoch wanted to merge Sky and his newspaper empire), but have zero interest in the European Champion phone hackers, the Mirror, activities.
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
It is an utter failure of reason on the part of the irreconciled Remainers and bears no relation to reality.
My hopes are: Tory rebellion fading is spin from op save pig dog. They realise if they save him now there is a world of pain coming with the lies over kabul, he gets comprehensively vonced and we all ask why we ever expected anything else
Or a cabinet minister is just waiting for Gray prior to a move
Or Gray shows he lied to the house and he goes
Did I miss the rebranding?
“We campaigned as cheap Labour, we will govern as cheap Labour”?
In a way, his personal views are irrelevant. What he has built is a show that people from all over the political and social spectrum will go onto (e.g. Bernie Sanders went on, while somebody very ring wing like Ben Shapiro goes on), because he lets them talk without constant interruption and he has a good habit of knowing just enough to ask interesting questions.
I’d agree to a degree about the opposition being due to JR crushing their models but I do think it’s a less important part because their models have been crushed by far greater factors. It’s his politics, or more importantly, his allowing people whose views are deemed hostile by the US media establishment a much wider voice.
Incidentally, @maaarsh commenting about Rochdale and race riots - just wondering what actual lived experience he - or you - have of such things?
Many of the Lancashire cotton towns welcomed multiple waves of migrants from the commonwealth. Rochdale has sizeable Indian and Pakistani and Kashmiri and Bangladeshi populations, with similar seen in other neighbouring towns like Oldham (where I did my A-levels) and Burnley.
So, these "riots". The BNP came and worked away at some morons. Because communities tend to congregate together you would have different groups in different areas. Some of the shitkicker WWC thought they were being discriminated against because money was spent in a non-white area, the BNP picked at it, some got elected until they were very quickly laughed out of town.
I remember two "riots". One in the centre of Rochdale where BNP skinheads and anti-nazi skinheads went at each other. And one in Rochdale where two different ethnic groups had a scrap. When there are little townlets divided by hills its easy to segregate - Rochdale describes these as "townships" FFS
As well as “The Charge of the Remainer Brigade” and “The Farage Arms” 😀
From what I hear, this is true. For him, it is just a blur (not an excuse). All those 1000s of women, conquered, and it all fades into amnesia
Quite a contrast with Elton John it is worth noting,. Whose autobiography (as i have menshed on here) is a work of genius, Gloriously funny. And he remembers EVERYTHING, right down to the juiciest detail of Princess Margaret or the Beatles or George Michael or whoever
She wants Asda not to sell Heinz, she says Spotify "is 'costing people their lives"
If you work in the NHS, you don’t care if more immigrants come in (and welcome it if it means less work) because your pay / pensions are protected and the increased numbers make no difference. Same goes for areas such as teachers etc.
In the Law and Accounting, though, I’m always surprised at how few people from EU countries there were (ex-Ireland) especially as the firms were international groups that could move people around between offices.
If your point is on loss to life and limb, arguably you could say that someone who was selling their services fiddling around with plumbing, electrics and the construction of a house should be more subject to regulations given there is a direct risk to life / harm if they screw things up.
The really nice thing a thousand years hence is that the arguments won't matter.
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/neil-young-spotify-free-speech/
“I support free speech,” Young wrote in a letter posted to his Neil Young Archives site. “I have never been in favor of censorship. Private companies have the right to choose what they profit from, just as I can choose not to have my music support a platform that disseminates harmful information. I am happy and proud to stand in solidarity with the front line health care workers who risk their lives every day to help others.”
As of now, Spotify has taken down Young's music from their platform, as per the artist's request. "They can have [Joe] Rogan or Young. Not both,” Young said last week
You’re right, in a 1000 years, people will look on these hit topics with the same disinterest as the Anglo-Irish Customs War post-independence.
Anyway, I’m off to celebrate nailing it by visiting a Bavarian-themed bordello in a pub in Belsize Park 😀
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/
He doesn't have a deep carefully crafted consistent intellectual world ideology, he is a cage fighting commentator who likes talking to interesting people. He doesn't see himself like Prof Peston as some amateur expert on every subject.
Its the fact that interesting people are happy to go and talk to him, because he gives them time and space to explain their subject and bright enough to ask the sort of question most normal people want to ask an expert if they met them in the pub.
Tonight's poll with opinium will confirm a further swing towards the Conservatives.
Doyle is seriously funny. In person.
Joe Rogan isn't a genius, but he doesn't pretend to be. He is a normal bloke, who does some reading, but has the ability to bring the best out of guests by asking pertinent questions.
He also did go a bit @cyclefree by saying that the Met are an absolute joke, given what happened with the woman killed by her ex and the other stuff.
Finally, he asked me what was the meaning of “woke” and where did it come from. I, of course, gave him a neutral opinion 😀
Can't shame the shameless.
Never assume it is some fundamental failing when boredom and the need for something to report on explain it just as well.
At times, this feels like omnishambles or plebgate or that nonsense about pasties or any other midterm scandal. It is, really, only the possible cover-up and questions of who knew what, when that raises this into significance.