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I do, in fact, like to 'mix it up' when socializing. Less so these days but I can still surprise.MrEd said:
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.kinabalu said:
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?Leon said:
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phraseFF43 said:
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
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It is a fascinating book. Every page has some new revelation. Those on PB.com who talk about freedoms may find it an interesting read for what it says about the development of a political sense of freedom and its deep history.Foxy said:
Incidentally, I can highly recommend this book, which I have just finished, including a section on Gobekli Tepi, and some even older cities. A very different history of the world.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. StillWaters, I liked that a lot too. Nicely bridges the Roman to Norman period in a single volume.
I can recommend his other books (particularly on the Norman Conquest). For a broader look at the European/Middle East/North African period 400-1000AD, Chris Wickham's Inheritance of Rome was very good indeed.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/11/graeber-wengrow-dawn-of-everything-history-humanity/620177/?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share0 -
Good for you for doing that, a very good habit.kinabalu said:
I do, in fact, like to 'mix it up' when socializing. Less so these days but I can still surprise.MrEd said:
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.kinabalu said:
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?Leon said:
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phraseFF43 said:
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
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Could be total incompetence. Not as if there isn't form.IshmaelZ said:
Yes. Are other views available?kinabalu said:
Well what can they say? What looks to be maybe happening can't easily be spoken.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky News are leading on Ukraine - Russia and Boris travelling there next week
It seems even they have given up on Sue Gray's filleted report and the appalling behaviour of Cressida Dick
Or can it? - In return for having her contract renewed Cressida Dick is trying to nobble the Gray report in order to save Boris Johnson.
Is this what lots of posters on here think?0 -
It’s fair to say a very disproportionate number of the most ardent Remainers - Grieve, Soubry, Clarke etc - were Barristers, a profession that, when it comes to putting up barriers to stop outside competition from coming in, makes China look like a rank amateur.kjh said:
Where on earth did you get that from?MrEd said:
It’s funny how many of the most ardent Remainers were also keen on cheap Labour coming in but seemed to be far less keen on allowing opening up the borders when it came to professional services such as the Law…CarlottaVance said:
I think some of them thought Leavers couldn’t tell the difference between an Indian with a Phd and a Romanian Big Issue seller. And of course a “Polish Plumber” was a boon to some and not to others.carnforth said:
Sometimes, when hardcore remainers mock brexit voters, saying that brexit will mean more brown and black immigrants, which they claim brexit voters don’t want, I wonder if perhaps those hardcore remainers quite liked that freedom of movement ensured that most immigrants were white, european, and christian. Different and exotic, but not actually brown or muslim.maaarsh said:
Ironically they seem heavily formed by coming from Rochdale, home of the race riots. No doubt living in a massively less diverse country now feels very harmonious and welcoming.Leon said:
Oh good grief. I know actual snowflakes who are less snowflakey than you, and recently-crippled jackals that are less whineyRochdalePioneers said:
How am I judging it? I've lived in various parts of England, I've seen the way that the English national psyche has turned more insular and nasty towards the other (the rise of the BNP then UKIP then Brexit and "fuck em" upthread). That England is no longer as open and tolerant as it was feels self-evident though I know the fuck em brigade will disagree.kle4 said:
How are you judging these things? If my corner of England is very welcoming does that prove all England is? If my corner is less so does that prove the other way?RochdalePioneers said:
Scotland - at least my corner of it - is already far more welcoming to incomers than England is. I can't see how independence suddenly creates an anti-English or anti-Unionist hate that would force people outDavidL said:
If it comes to that I am not sure what we would do to be honest. A lot depends on family which is more important than countries but I can see the balance of our family edging south over the next few years. As a Scots lawyer I will have to hang around until I retire. After that I am not so sure. But the views of those who choose to remain will still be more relevant than the views of those who choose to depart.Foxy said:
I suspect that most Unionists will stay on in Independent Scotland too, but it doesn't mean that they will like it, and mourn their losses.DavidL said:
More significantly the Guardian seems somewhat less interested in the 3.5m-6m who have chosen to stay: https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/07/02/are-there-really-6m-eu-citizens-living-in-the-uk/noneoftheabove said:
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
And Scotland? I totally accept that my corner is not automatically representative. But then again I look at the Scottish government's "New Scots" policy and them having just won a 4th term on a record vote in a record turnout and conclude that there must be some merit in my argument.
There are so many wonderful people in England. There will be many nobbers in Scotland. But the direction of travel south of the wall feels a lot worse than north of it - and I have friends living in England in despair at what is happening to society.
But this may be too cynical, even for me.1 -
RFK is someone I really, really hope end up in Hell. He's funded and organised anti-vax campaigns for nearly two decades.FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.1 -
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?2 -
Whilst watching as a suitcase of wine was wheeled past them at the entrance to Downing Street, which could also have contained a bomb.rottenborough said:
davidallengreen
@davidallengreen
The @metpoliceuk have, of course, an interest in #PartyGate
The parties took place bang in the middle of the most heavily policed area of the UK - Whitehall
And the parties took place while @metpoliceuk
were freely handing out huge fines to those breaking Covid rules elsewhere
https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/14870112212074004500 -
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.Leon said:
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the backMrEd said:
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.kinabalu said:
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?Leon said:
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phraseFF43 said:
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?0 -
I refer you to the greater expertise of @kinabalu - PB’s Honourable Member for Total Bullshitshire, WestMrEd said:
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.Leon said:
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the backMrEd said:
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.kinabalu said:
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?Leon said:
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phraseFF43 said:
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?
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You do all realise, don’t you, that the timelines for deciding what goes on the ballot paper next to your name make it impossible for any of these to have been done?BannedinnParis said:
At least make the acronym mildly saucyIshmaelZ said:
If I had been one of the nutter candidates I would have rebadged as Anti Corruption Publish Gray In Full Now. Definite deposit saver, at leastNickPalmer said:
Mmm, I see. I think voting Tory in Southend W won't be interpreted as a vote of confidence in British Afghanistan policy, though - just a message to murderers not to bother, you just get another MP with similar views. There will be other opportunities to express a view on the virtues or otherwise of Conservative government.IshmaelZ said:
That's what differentially means to me, sure. I just don't think a vote for a lying slob complicit in the unnecessary abandonment of civilians to possible murder in Kabul sends the message you want. The opposite actuallyNickPalmer said:
What? I agree with FF43. Vote Tory in Southend West! (And, if that's what you were asking, I equally oppose murdering anyone else too.)IshmaelZ said:
Are you *differentially* opposed to the murder of mps, and confident of getting through to the right audience?FF43 said:If I lived in Southend West I would happily vote Conservative as a personal protest against the murder of MPs. It doesn't affect the outcome. The argument is, nor should it.
I do think it's surprising that a far-left groupuscule hasn't had a go, through. Someone like TUSC might even have saved their deposit and certainly got a fair amount of coverage.
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I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?0 -
"GPs would be nationalised under plans from the health secretary to make them do more to keep patients out of hospital"
https://t.co/m7NKUOkKsU
I see Javid announces a policy of nationalisation and immediately gets accused of privatising the NHS.
That obvious point out the way, having worked with the NHS for three years, I increasingly support Javid's view here. Whether it's around delivering community support services, funding, estate management or uniformity of service, these are best delivered by increasing the participation of Trusts (and the third sector) and reducing England's reliance on GPs.0 -
It’s not the Old Ye Leavers’ Arms is it @kinablu?Leon said:
I refer you to the greater expertise of @kinabalu - PB’s Honourable Member for Total Bullshitshire, WestMrEd said:
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.Leon said:
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the backMrEd said:
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.kinabalu said:
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?Leon said:
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phraseFF43 said:
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?0 -
What an unbelievably boring point.bondegezou said:
You do all realise, don’t you, that the timelines for deciding what goes on the ballot paper next to your name make it impossible for any of these to have been done?BannedinnParis said:
At least make the acronym mildly saucyIshmaelZ said:
If I had been one of the nutter candidates I would have rebadged as Anti Corruption Publish Gray In Full Now. Definite deposit saver, at leastNickPalmer said:
Mmm, I see. I think voting Tory in Southend W won't be interpreted as a vote of confidence in British Afghanistan policy, though - just a message to murderers not to bother, you just get another MP with similar views. There will be other opportunities to express a view on the virtues or otherwise of Conservative government.IshmaelZ said:
That's what differentially means to me, sure. I just don't think a vote for a lying slob complicit in the unnecessary abandonment of civilians to possible murder in Kabul sends the message you want. The opposite actuallyNickPalmer said:
What? I agree with FF43. Vote Tory in Southend West! (And, if that's what you were asking, I equally oppose murdering anyone else too.)IshmaelZ said:
Are you *differentially* opposed to the murder of mps, and confident of getting through to the right audience?FF43 said:If I lived in Southend West I would happily vote Conservative as a personal protest against the murder of MPs. It doesn't affect the outcome. The argument is, nor should it.
I do think it's surprising that a far-left groupuscule hasn't had a go, through. Someone like TUSC might even have saved their deposit and certainly got a fair amount of coverage.
Gray Report Out Today!
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Yes.
Doesn't stop you restating your platform everywhere else, does it?1 -
Probably 60% of my friends are centre-left or leftMrEd said:
Good for you for doing that, a very good habit.kinabalu said:
I do, in fact, like to 'mix it up' when socializing. Less so these days but I can still surprise.MrEd said:
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.kinabalu said:
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?Leon said:
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phraseFF43 said:
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Maybe 70%
That’s just how it Rolls in Flint Dildo World; I’ve learned to accept, and stay shtoom
My family is the opposite. Largely Brexiteers, quite fond of Boris, in our Family WhatsApp it’s the lefties who keep their heads down0 -
Boris has played a blinder here. The Tory Party wibbled with its VONC and went with the line 'Yes, he's gone but let's just wait for the Gray report before plunging the dagger'. So what does Boris do? Gets friend Cressida to fillet the report depriving the Tory rebellion - which was fading anyway - of any ammo it needed to convince the waverers. It's almost Cummings-esque in its nihilistic genius.kinabalu said:
Well what can they say? What looks to be maybe happening can't easily be spoken.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky News are leading on Ukraine - Russia and Boris travelling there next week
It seems even they have given up on Sue Gray's filleted report and the appalling behaviour of Cressida Dick
Or can it? - In return for having her contract renewed Cressida Dick is trying to nobble the Gray report in order to save Boris Johnson.
Is this what lots of posters on here think?0 -
I think it is bizarre in the extreme to suggest remainers were against free movement of anyone. Certainly in some professions there has to be checks on competence. I think the NHS is a good example. Encouraged people from anywhere, but need to ensure they are qualified. For most professions where harm can't be done there were no restrictions.MrEd said:
It’s fair to say a very disproportionate number of the most ardent Remainers - Grieve, Soubry, Clarke etc - were Barristers, a profession that, when it comes to putting up barriers to stop outside competition from coming in, makes China look like a rank amateur.kjh said:
Where on earth did you get that from?MrEd said:
It’s funny how many of the most ardent Remainers were also keen on cheap Labour coming in but seemed to be far less keen on allowing opening up the borders when it came to professional services such as the Law…CarlottaVance said:
I think some of them thought Leavers couldn’t tell the difference between an Indian with a Phd and a Romanian Big Issue seller. And of course a “Polish Plumber” was a boon to some and not to others.carnforth said:
Sometimes, when hardcore remainers mock brexit voters, saying that brexit will mean more brown and black immigrants, which they claim brexit voters don’t want, I wonder if perhaps those hardcore remainers quite liked that freedom of movement ensured that most immigrants were white, european, and christian. Different and exotic, but not actually brown or muslim.maaarsh said:
Ironically they seem heavily formed by coming from Rochdale, home of the race riots. No doubt living in a massively less diverse country now feels very harmonious and welcoming.Leon said:
Oh good grief. I know actual snowflakes who are less snowflakey than you, and recently-crippled jackals that are less whineyRochdalePioneers said:
How am I judging it? I've lived in various parts of England, I've seen the way that the English national psyche has turned more insular and nasty towards the other (the rise of the BNP then UKIP then Brexit and "fuck em" upthread). That England is no longer as open and tolerant as it was feels self-evident though I know the fuck em brigade will disagree.kle4 said:
How are you judging these things? If my corner of England is very welcoming does that prove all England is? If my corner is less so does that prove the other way?RochdalePioneers said:
Scotland - at least my corner of it - is already far more welcoming to incomers than England is. I can't see how independence suddenly creates an anti-English or anti-Unionist hate that would force people outDavidL said:
If it comes to that I am not sure what we would do to be honest. A lot depends on family which is more important than countries but I can see the balance of our family edging south over the next few years. As a Scots lawyer I will have to hang around until I retire. After that I am not so sure. But the views of those who choose to remain will still be more relevant than the views of those who choose to depart.Foxy said:
I suspect that most Unionists will stay on in Independent Scotland too, but it doesn't mean that they will like it, and mourn their losses.DavidL said:
More significantly the Guardian seems somewhat less interested in the 3.5m-6m who have chosen to stay: https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/07/02/are-there-really-6m-eu-citizens-living-in-the-uk/noneoftheabove said:
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
And Scotland? I totally accept that my corner is not automatically representative. But then again I look at the Scottish government's "New Scots" policy and them having just won a 4th term on a record vote in a record turnout and conclude that there must be some merit in my argument.
There are so many wonderful people in England. There will be many nobbers in Scotland. But the direction of travel south of the wall feels a lot worse than north of it - and I have friends living in England in despair at what is happening to society.
But this may be too cynical, even for me.0 -
I really like that commentMrEd said:
It’s not the Old Ye Leavers’ Arms is it @kinablu?Leon said:
I refer you to the greater expertise of @kinabalu - PB’s Honourable Member for Total Bullshitshire, WestMrEd said:
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.Leon said:
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the backMrEd said:
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.kinabalu said:
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?Leon said:
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phraseFF43 said:
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?
In a thousand years will we have pubs such as the 'Remainers Rest', the ' Battle of Brexit', 'Johnson's Johnson', 'The Sir Keir Starmer Solicitude'0 -
In our case, the Council housed a handful of refugees, under significant political pressure, and despite the huge housing waiting list. The refugees attend monthly resettlement parties at the art house cinema. It is essentially a performance, to allow everyone feel good about themselves, whilst avoiding having to confront the actual problem that there is nowhere to put the one billion people that would like to move here.pigeon said:
"Refugees Welcome," just so long as they're all sent to live in poor people places where we never actually have to meet them.darkage said:
This is a familiar phenomenon in many white liberal enclaves, scattered around the UK. It is not by any means limited to Scotland. I live in one. The demographics are closer to 1950s England, with non white people being very much the exception. The incomers pushing up house prices are wealthy white people, but they are typically woke in their politics; setting up things like a "womxn's theatre group" and having marches to welcome in refugees. It is a very curious thing.Leon said:
Yes, the multiculti and hyper-tolerant Mr Pioneers has, oddly, moved from one of the most racially diverse parts of the UK to probably the whitest part of the UK, an area which he thoroughly prefers, as it is supposedly more “welcoming” to others. There just aren’t any others being welcomedmaaarsh said:
Ironically they seem heavily formed by coming from Rochdale, home of the race riots. No doubt living in a massively less diverse country now feels very harmonious and welcoming.Leon said:
Oh good grief. I know actual snowflakes who are less snowflakey than you, and recently-crippled jackals that are less whineyRochdalePioneers said:
How am I judging it? I've lived in various parts of England, I've seen the way that the English national psyche has turned more insular and nasty towards the other (the rise of the BNP then UKIP then Brexit and "fuck em" upthread). That England is no longer as open and tolerant as it was feels self-evident though I know the fuck em brigade will disagree.kle4 said:
How are you judging these things? If my corner of England is very welcoming does that prove all England is? If my corner is less so does that prove the other way?RochdalePioneers said:
Scotland - at least my corner of it - is already far more welcoming to incomers than England is. I can't see how independence suddenly creates an anti-English or anti-Unionist hate that would force people outDavidL said:
If it comes to that I am not sure what we would do to be honest. A lot depends on family which is more important than countries but I can see the balance of our family edging south over the next few years. As a Scots lawyer I will have to hang around until I retire. After that I am not so sure. But the views of those who choose to remain will still be more relevant than the views of those who choose to depart.Foxy said:
I suspect that most Unionists will stay on in Independent Scotland too, but it doesn't mean that they will like it, and mourn their losses.DavidL said:
More significantly the Guardian seems somewhat less interested in the 3.5m-6m who have chosen to stay: https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/07/02/are-there-really-6m-eu-citizens-living-in-the-uk/noneoftheabove said:
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
And Scotland? I totally accept that my corner is not automatically representative. But then again I look at the Scottish government's "New Scots" policy and them having just won a 4th term on a record vote in a record turnout and conclude that there must be some merit in my argument.
There are so many wonderful people in England. There will be many nobbers in Scotland. But the direction of travel south of the wall feels a lot worse than north of it - and I have friends living in England in despair at what is happening to society.
Strange
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He definitely has nutters on, but also has many many very serious people.MrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
The reality is the anti-vax stuff is a sideshow. He is crushing the mainstream model of entertainment, so the vested interests are rather incentivised to try and pick up on anything that discredits him.
Its a bit like how incredibly interested the BBC / Guardian were in phoning hacking at the NOTW (at totally coincidental time that Murdoch wanted to merge Sky and his newspaper empire), but have zero interest in the European Champion phone hackers, the Mirror, activities.2 -
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over2 -
The illusion is entirely in the minds of the irreconciled Remainers. And it is the illusion that there was any change in the 'niceness' of Britain as a result of Brexit. It is one of those self fulfilling prophesies that bears no relation to reality. Remainers were convinced that the very act of Brexit - even though it was a decision to leave a political organisation - was in itself enough to remove that 'niceness'. And so no matter what Britain was like after Brexit, no matter what form Brexit took, they were always going to say the same thing.FF43 said:
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
It is an utter failure of reason on the part of the irreconciled Remainers and bears no relation to reality.5 -
I'm afraid you're violating the number one rule of mid-term governments - never believe it's brilliance when flakiness, misunderstanding and incompetence explain it just as well.Stark_Dawning said:
Boris has played a blinder here. The Tory Party wibbled with its VONC and went with the line 'Yes, he's gone but let's just wait for the Gray report before plunging the dagger'. So what does Boris do? Gets friend Cressida to fillet the report depriving the Tory rebellion - which was fading anyway - of any ammo it needed to convince the waverers. It's almost Cummings-esque in its nihilistic genius.kinabalu said:
Well what can they say? What looks to be maybe happening can't easily be spoken.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky News are leading on Ukraine - Russia and Boris travelling there next week
It seems even they have given up on Sue Gray's filleted report and the appalling behaviour of Cressida Dick
Or can it? - In return for having her contract renewed Cressida Dick is trying to nobble the Gray report in order to save Boris Johnson.
Is this what lots of posters on here think?1 -
Unless it doesn't workStark_Dawning said:
Boris has played a blinder here. The Tory Party wibbled with its VONC and went with the line 'Yes, he's gone but let's just wait for the Gray report before plunging the dagger'. So what does Boris do? Gets friend Cressida to fillet the report depriving the Tory rebellion - which was fading anyway - of any ammo it needed to convince the waverers. It's almost Cummings-esque in its nihilistic genius.kinabalu said:
Well what can they say? What looks to be maybe happening can't easily be spoken.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky News are leading on Ukraine - Russia and Boris travelling there next week
It seems even they have given up on Sue Gray's filleted report and the appalling behaviour of Cressida Dick
Or can it? - In return for having her contract renewed Cressida Dick is trying to nobble the Gray report in order to save Boris Johnson.
Is this what lots of posters on here think?
My hopes are: Tory rebellion fading is spin from op save pig dog. They realise if they save him now there is a world of pain coming with the lies over kabul, he gets comprehensively vonced and we all ask why we ever expected anything else
Or a cabinet minister is just waiting for Gray prior to a move
Or Gray shows he lied to the house and he goes0 -
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....when they spent all the 60/70s doing drugs and demanding everybody be left alone to be free to do what they liked.Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over2 -
And that all the right wing defenders of the free market don't like businesses and consumers deciding who uses their platform......FrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over2 -
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over0 -
I think you can go with incompetence and crossed wires - and I usually would - but it does look sinister, especially the "we request that the report excludes anything serious" aspect. It's a new low if she is indeed in cahoots with him. Absolutely dreadful.IshmaelZ said:
Yes. Are other views available?kinabalu said:
Well what can they say? What looks to be maybe happening can't easily be spoken.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky News are leading on Ukraine - Russia and Boris travelling there next week
It seems even they have given up on Sue Gray's filleted report and the appalling behaviour of Cressida Dick
Or can it? - In return for having her contract renewed Cressida Dick is trying to nobble the Gray report in order to save Boris Johnson.
Is this what lots of posters on here think?0 -
I blame all the drugs for the memory loss...Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over0 -
He won’t be cancelled because he’s too valuable to Spotify and it’s share price. Also, it’s good marketing for Spotify. Plus also, if you can’t get Joni Mitchell, people can choose plenty of other music. That’s not the cAse if you can’t get Joe Rogan.Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over0 -
“cheap Labour”?MrEd said:
It’s funny how many of the most ardent Remainers were also keen on cheap Labour coming in but seemed to be far less keen on allowing opening up the borders when it came to professional services such as the Law…CarlottaVance said:
I think some of them thought Leavers couldn’t tell the difference between an Indian with a Phd and a Romanian Big Issue seller. And of course a “Polish Plumber” was a boon to some and not to others.carnforth said:
Sometimes, when hardcore remainers mock brexit voters, saying that brexit will mean more brown and black immigrants, which they claim brexit voters don’t want, I wonder if perhaps those hardcore remainers quite liked that freedom of movement ensured that most immigrants were white, european, and christian. Different and exotic, but not actually brown or muslim.maaarsh said:
Ironically they seem heavily formed by coming from Rochdale, home of the race riots. No doubt living in a massively less diverse country now feels very harmonious and welcoming.Leon said:
Oh good grief. I know actual snowflakes who are less snowflakey than you, and recently-crippled jackals that are less whineyRochdalePioneers said:
How am I judging it? I've lived in various parts of England, I've seen the way that the English national psyche has turned more insular and nasty towards the other (the rise of the BNP then UKIP then Brexit and "fuck em" upthread). That England is no longer as open and tolerant as it was feels self-evident though I know the fuck em brigade will disagree.kle4 said:
How are you judging these things? If my corner of England is very welcoming does that prove all England is? If my corner is less so does that prove the other way?RochdalePioneers said:
Scotland - at least my corner of it - is already far more welcoming to incomers than England is. I can't see how independence suddenly creates an anti-English or anti-Unionist hate that would force people outDavidL said:
If it comes to that I am not sure what we would do to be honest. A lot depends on family which is more important than countries but I can see the balance of our family edging south over the next few years. As a Scots lawyer I will have to hang around until I retire. After that I am not so sure. But the views of those who choose to remain will still be more relevant than the views of those who choose to depart.Foxy said:
I suspect that most Unionists will stay on in Independent Scotland too, but it doesn't mean that they will like it, and mourn their losses.DavidL said:
More significantly the Guardian seems somewhat less interested in the 3.5m-6m who have chosen to stay: https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/07/02/are-there-really-6m-eu-citizens-living-in-the-uk/noneoftheabove said:
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
And Scotland? I totally accept that my corner is not automatically representative. But then again I look at the Scottish government's "New Scots" policy and them having just won a 4th term on a record vote in a record turnout and conclude that there must be some merit in my argument.
There are so many wonderful people in England. There will be many nobbers in Scotland. But the direction of travel south of the wall feels a lot worse than north of it - and I have friends living in England in despair at what is happening to society.
But this may be too cynical, even for me.
Did I miss the rebranding?
“We campaigned as cheap Labour, we will govern as cheap Labour”?1 -
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over0 -
Not only is he too valuable, I imagine if his lawyers were even half decent, any attempts to remove him will require paying out his $100m contract.MrEd said:
He won’t be cancelled because he’s too valuable to Spotify and it’s share price. Also, it’s good marketing for Spotify. Plus also, if you can’t get Joni Mitchell, people can choose plenty of other music. That’s not the cAse if you can’t get Joe Rogan.Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over0 -
His personal (political) views, all over the spectrum....e.g. he is pro drugs, while being pro hunting.Omnium said:
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
In a way, his personal views are irrelevant. What he has built is a show that people from all over the political and social spectrum will go onto (e.g. Bernie Sanders went on, while somebody very ring wing like Ben Shapiro goes on), because he lets them talk without constant interruption and he has a good habit of knowing just enough to ask interesting questions.0 -
You sound like the 130 year old widow of a retired major in the catering corps, and you don't know anything about Neil Young.FrancisUrquhart said:
I blame all the drugs for the memory loss...Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over0 -
For now yes , I vote for Independence and SNP are not interested at present. If they change their tune then I will vote with biggest independence party.Farooq said:
And your solution is to vote for [checks notes] Salmond?malcolmg said:
Many greens seem utterly disconnected from reality though. Looking at the Scottish variant MSP's they are a bunch of crazy ne'er do wells, nutjobs and downright nasties.Dura_Ace said:
You might be based and pilled but you know nothing about the Greens. Our overwhelming desire is to be proved right. We know the planet can't be saved at this point.MrEd said:
Agreed but their overwhelming desire is to save the planet
The Greens are the most entryism resistant of all the parties. We are too diverse, ill-disciplined and, in many cases, utterly disconnected from mainstream political thought.
Also, a large proportion of the Corbynites are culturally working class who would be suspected of having only one type of vinegar in their kitchens. It just doesn't work.
How anyone could vote for that bunch of losers is beyond me, they would struggle to spell Green to boot..0 -
Also, the Mirror was on “their side” on the politics front.FrancisUrquhart said:
He definitely has nutters on, but also has many many very serious people.MrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
The reality is the anti-vax stuff is a sideshow. He is crushing the mainstream model of entertainment, so the vested interests are rather incentivised to try and pick up on anything that discredits him.
Its a bit like how incredibly interested the BBC / Guardian were in phoning hacking at the NOTW (at totally coincidental time that Murdoch wanted to merge Sky and his newspaper empire), but have zero interest in the European Champion phone hackers, the Mirror, activities.
I’d agree to a degree about the opposition being due to JR crushing their models but I do think it’s a less important part because their models have been crushed by far greater factors. It’s his politics, or more importantly, his allowing people whose views are deemed hostile by the US media establishment a much wider voice.0 -
You forget the boundary review, which created a single Bullshitshire seat for the entire county, and you were elected unopposed as its representative.Leon said:
I refer you to the greater expertise of @kinabalu - PB’s Honourable Member for Total Bullshitshire, WestMrEd said:
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.Leon said:
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the backMrEd said:
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.kinabalu said:
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?Leon said:
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phraseFF43 said:
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?0 -
The free market would dictate that it would be the users not the suppliers who would decide what should stay on the market. In this case it is like Mr Organic Baked Beans (yes such a thing does exist) demanding that Asda stop selling Heinz.noneoftheabove said:
And that all the right wing defenders of the free market don't like businesses and consumers deciding who uses their platform......FrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over0 -
Correct, it massively overplays Young's or Mitchell's hands. I listen to their music sometimes. But it's 0.1% of the content; I doubt I would even notice.MrEd said:
He won’t be cancelled because he’s too valuable to Spotify and it’s share price. Also, it’s good marketing for Spotify. Plus also, if you can’t get Joni Mitchell, people can choose plenty of other music. That’s not the cAse if you can’t get Joe Rogan.Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over0 -
Its pretty multi-ethnic up here. A lot of Russians and Poles, families in our village school from places like Hungary and Latvia. A lot of English.Leon said:
Yes, the multiculti and hyper-tolerant Mr Pioneers has, oddly, moved from one of the most racially diverse parts of the UK to probably the whitest part of the UK, an area which he thoroughly prefers, as it is supposedly more “welcoming” to others. There just aren’t any others being welcomedmaaarsh said:
Ironically they seem heavily formed by coming from Rochdale, home of the race riots. No doubt living in a massively less diverse country now feels very harmonious and welcoming.Leon said:
Oh good grief. I know actual snowflakes who are less snowflakey than you, and recently-crippled jackals that are less whineyRochdalePioneers said:
How am I judging it? I've lived in various parts of England, I've seen the way that the English national psyche has turned more insular and nasty towards the other (the rise of the BNP then UKIP then Brexit and "fuck em" upthread). That England is no longer as open and tolerant as it was feels self-evident though I know the fuck em brigade will disagree.kle4 said:
How are you judging these things? If my corner of England is very welcoming does that prove all England is? If my corner is less so does that prove the other way?RochdalePioneers said:
Scotland - at least my corner of it - is already far more welcoming to incomers than England is. I can't see how independence suddenly creates an anti-English or anti-Unionist hate that would force people outDavidL said:
If it comes to that I am not sure what we would do to be honest. A lot depends on family which is more important than countries but I can see the balance of our family edging south over the next few years. As a Scots lawyer I will have to hang around until I retire. After that I am not so sure. But the views of those who choose to remain will still be more relevant than the views of those who choose to depart.Foxy said:
I suspect that most Unionists will stay on in Independent Scotland too, but it doesn't mean that they will like it, and mourn their losses.DavidL said:
More significantly the Guardian seems somewhat less interested in the 3.5m-6m who have chosen to stay: https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/07/02/are-there-really-6m-eu-citizens-living-in-the-uk/noneoftheabove said:
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
And Scotland? I totally accept that my corner is not automatically representative. But then again I look at the Scottish government's "New Scots" policy and them having just won a 4th term on a record vote in a record turnout and conclude that there must be some merit in my argument.
There are so many wonderful people in England. There will be many nobbers in Scotland. But the direction of travel south of the wall feels a lot worse than north of it - and I have friends living in England in despair at what is happening to society.
Strange
Incidentally, @maaarsh commenting about Rochdale and race riots - just wondering what actual lived experience he - or you - have of such things?
Many of the Lancashire cotton towns welcomed multiple waves of migrants from the commonwealth. Rochdale has sizeable Indian and Pakistani and Kashmiri and Bangladeshi populations, with similar seen in other neighbouring towns like Oldham (where I did my A-levels) and Burnley.
So, these "riots". The BNP came and worked away at some morons. Because communities tend to congregate together you would have different groups in different areas. Some of the shitkicker WWC thought they were being discriminated against because money was spent in a non-white area, the BNP picked at it, some got elected until they were very quickly laughed out of town.
I remember two "riots". One in the centre of Rochdale where BNP skinheads and anti-nazi skinheads went at each other. And one in Rochdale where two different ethnic groups had a scrap. When there are little townlets divided by hills its easy to segregate - Rochdale describes these as "townships" FFS0 -
A handy guide. You'll forgive me if I look for further views.FrancisUrquhart said:
His personal (political) views, all over the spectrum....Omnium said:
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over0 -
They are not demanding it. They are saying they dont want to share space on Asda with Heinz. Plenty of brands won't share space with other brands.Richard_Tyndall said:
The free market would dictate that it would be the users not the suppliers who would decide what should stay on the market. In this case it is like Mr Organic Baked Beans (yes such a thing does exist) demanding that Asda stop selling Heinz.noneoftheabove said:
And that all the right wing defenders of the free market don't like businesses and consumers deciding who uses their platform......FrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over0 -
Thank you OmniumOmnium said:
I really like that commentMrEd said:
It’s not the Old Ye Leavers’ Arms is it @kinablu?Leon said:
I refer you to the greater expertise of @kinabalu - PB’s Honourable Member for Total Bullshitshire, WestMrEd said:
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.Leon said:
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the backMrEd said:
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.kinabalu said:
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?Leon said:
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phraseFF43 said:
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?
In a thousand years will we have pubs such as the 'Remainers Rest', the ' Battle of Brexit', 'Johnson's Johnson', 'The Sir Keir Starmer Solicitude'
As well as “The Charge of the Remainer Brigade” and “The Farage Arms” 😀0 -
My favourite example of this is Mick Jagger’s autobiography. A man famously keen on wealth, offered trillions for the book, but then had to abandon it because he “honestly could not remember most of it”FrancisUrquhart said:
I blame all the drugs for the memory loss...Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
From what I hear, this is true. For him, it is just a blur (not an excuse). All those 1000s of women, conquered, and it all fades into amnesia
Quite a contrast with Elton John it is worth noting,. Whose autobiography (as i have menshed on here) is a work of genius, Gloriously funny. And he remembers EVERYTHING, right down to the juiciest detail of Princess Margaret or the Beatles or George Michael or whoever0 -
I wasn't talking about specifically Neil Young.IshmaelZ said:
You sound like the 130 year old widow of a retired major in the catering corps, and you don't know anything about Neil Young.FrancisUrquhart said:
I blame all the drugs for the memory loss...Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over0 -
"The singer, 78, said she was standing 'in solidarity' with Young who this week demanded Spotify take down his songs unless the platform agrees to stop carrying The Joe Rogan Experience podcast."noneoftheabove said:
They are not demanding it. They are saying they dont want to share space on Asda with Heinz. Plenty of brands won't share space with other brands.Richard_Tyndall said:
The free market would dictate that it would be the users not the suppliers who would decide what should stay on the market. In this case it is like Mr Organic Baked Beans (yes such a thing does exist) demanding that Asda stop selling Heinz.noneoftheabove said:
And that all the right wing defenders of the free market don't like businesses and consumers deciding who uses their platform......FrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
She wants Asda not to sell Heinz, she says Spotify "is 'costing people their lives"0 -
Where do you get me for SNP, I am interested in independence NOT some two bit political party. @EabhalEabhal said:
Scotland is only marginally more left wing than England. The SNP soak up a lot of @malcolmg types, so obscure the number of right wingers.HYUFD said:
An independent Scotland would be one of the most leftwing nations in the world. A centre right party might get about 30% on a good day, that is it. It would need the Liberals to ever form a government.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Excuse me but you have no idea what the Scots would do post independence and away from Boris and WestminsterHYUFD said:
Unlikely, Scotland would become like Sweden, generally voting in social democratic governments like now, whether SNP or Labour. Only way the Conservatives would get in is with a broad alliance with the Liberals as in SwedenBig_G_NorthWales said:
You may even vote in a Scon government post independencemalcolmg said:
I was not insinuating you were MrEd , just adding my tuppence worth. I for one don't see Scotland as it is as any paradise, big changes needed for sure and they will never happen whilst we are in the union. May not happen when independent but at least there will be a chance then.MrEd said:
Funnily enough, I wasn’t thinking of you when I made that comment but more the likes of @Theuniondivvie who seems to portray Scotland as some sort of paradise as compared to the hell hole of the U.K.malcolmg said:
When I moan about the UK I am including Scotland , it is no paradise and is almost as crap as UK at present.MrEd said:
And some pro-Indy Scot PBers need to moan about how bad the rest of the U.K. is, the country is awful etc etc. We get that too.Theuniondivvie said:
Brexiteers need to moan about Remainers, we get that.DavidL said:
More significantly the Guardian seems somewhat less interested in the 3.5m-6m who have chosen to stay: https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/07/02/are-there-really-6m-eu-citizens-living-in-the-uk/noneoftheabove said:
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
Indeed it's the very lifeblood of some PBers.
Someday Sturgeon and the SNP will have run their course and a Scon government is not at all impossible
And centre-right is relative. The Tories are nearer US Dems than GOP nowadays.0 -
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.Omnium said:
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over1 -
I was quite surprised to learn that it was Elton's long-term writing partner, Bernie Taupin, who got Alice Cooper addicted to cocaine.Leon said:
My favourite example of this is Mick Jagger’s autobiography. A man famously keen on wealth, offered trillions for the book, but then had to abandon it because he “honestly could not remember most of it”FrancisUrquhart said:
I blame all the drugs for the memory loss...Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
From what I hear, this is true. For him, it is just a blur (not an excuse). All those 1000s of women, conquered, and it all fades into amnesia
Quite a contrast with Elton John it is worth noting,. Whose autobiography (as i have menshed on here) is a work of genius, Gloriously funny. And he remembers EVERYTHING, right down to the juiciest detail of Princess Margaret or the Beatles or George Michael or whoever0 -
How is Alex Jones not a nut job? He cried when Trump bombed Syria for a start.MrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?0 -
He really is all over the place. It is very hard to pin down or label him. Which again is probably part of the reason for his popularity, it is much more like how many normal people are, different issues, different takes on how they feel about it.Omnium said:
A handy guide. You'll forgive me if I look for further views.FrancisUrquhart said:
His personal (political) views, all over the spectrum....Omnium said:
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over0 -
The 'Lying To Parliament' lurks there like a croc in the murky waters. He did, this is clear, and the clinching evidence can't be forever suppressed. Trouble is, I bet he STILL wouldn't resign.IshmaelZ said:
Unless it doesn't workStark_Dawning said:
Boris has played a blinder here. The Tory Party wibbled with its VONC and went with the line 'Yes, he's gone but let's just wait for the Gray report before plunging the dagger'. So what does Boris do? Gets friend Cressida to fillet the report depriving the Tory rebellion - which was fading anyway - of any ammo it needed to convince the waverers. It's almost Cummings-esque in its nihilistic genius.kinabalu said:
Well what can they say? What looks to be maybe happening can't easily be spoken.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky News are leading on Ukraine - Russia and Boris travelling there next week
It seems even they have given up on Sue Gray's filleted report and the appalling behaviour of Cressida Dick
Or can it? - In return for having her contract renewed Cressida Dick is trying to nobble the Gray report in order to save Boris Johnson.
Is this what lots of posters on here think?
My hopes are: Tory rebellion fading is spin from op save pig dog. They realise if they save him now there is a world of pain coming with the lies over kabul, he gets comprehensively vonced and we all ask why we ever expected anything else
Or a cabinet minister is just waiting for Gray prior to a move
Or Gray shows he lied to the house and he goes1 -
Nope. They said that Spotify should remove Rogan or they would leave. It was a threat they made in an attempt to get him banned. Neil Young in particular (whose music I absolutely love and listen to a hundred times more than I have ever listened to Rogan) thought that his threat would be enough to get Rogan kicked off. He was, so far, thankfully wrong.noneoftheabove said:
They are not demanding it. They are saying they dont want to share space on Asda with Heinz. Plenty of brands won't share space with other brands.Richard_Tyndall said:
The free market would dictate that it would be the users not the suppliers who would decide what should stay on the market. In this case it is like Mr Organic Baked Beans (yes such a thing does exist) demanding that Asda stop selling Heinz.noneoftheabove said:
And that all the right wing defenders of the free market don't like businesses and consumers deciding who uses their platform......FrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over0 -
Your last sentence should be modified to “for most professions where harm couldn’t be done to their own interests, there were no restrictions”.kjh said:
I think it is bizarre in the extreme to suggest remainers were against free movement of anyone. Certainly in some professions there has to be checks on competence. I think the NHS is a good example. Encouraged people from anywhere, but need to ensure they are qualified. For most professions where harm can't be done there were no restrictions.MrEd said:
It’s fair to say a very disproportionate number of the most ardent Remainers - Grieve, Soubry, Clarke etc - were Barristers, a profession that, when it comes to putting up barriers to stop outside competition from coming in, makes China look like a rank amateur.kjh said:
Where on earth did you get that from?MrEd said:
It’s funny how many of the most ardent Remainers were also keen on cheap Labour coming in but seemed to be far less keen on allowing opening up the borders when it came to professional services such as the Law…CarlottaVance said:
I think some of them thought Leavers couldn’t tell the difference between an Indian with a Phd and a Romanian Big Issue seller. And of course a “Polish Plumber” was a boon to some and not to others.carnforth said:
Sometimes, when hardcore remainers mock brexit voters, saying that brexit will mean more brown and black immigrants, which they claim brexit voters don’t want, I wonder if perhaps those hardcore remainers quite liked that freedom of movement ensured that most immigrants were white, european, and christian. Different and exotic, but not actually brown or muslim.maaarsh said:
Ironically they seem heavily formed by coming from Rochdale, home of the race riots. No doubt living in a massively less diverse country now feels very harmonious and welcoming.Leon said:
Oh good grief. I know actual snowflakes who are less snowflakey than you, and recently-crippled jackals that are less whineyRochdalePioneers said:
How am I judging it? I've lived in various parts of England, I've seen the way that the English national psyche has turned more insular and nasty towards the other (the rise of the BNP then UKIP then Brexit and "fuck em" upthread). That England is no longer as open and tolerant as it was feels self-evident though I know the fuck em brigade will disagree.kle4 said:
How are you judging these things? If my corner of England is very welcoming does that prove all England is? If my corner is less so does that prove the other way?RochdalePioneers said:
Scotland - at least my corner of it - is already far more welcoming to incomers than England is. I can't see how independence suddenly creates an anti-English or anti-Unionist hate that would force people outDavidL said:
If it comes to that I am not sure what we would do to be honest. A lot depends on family which is more important than countries but I can see the balance of our family edging south over the next few years. As a Scots lawyer I will have to hang around until I retire. After that I am not so sure. But the views of those who choose to remain will still be more relevant than the views of those who choose to depart.Foxy said:
I suspect that most Unionists will stay on in Independent Scotland too, but it doesn't mean that they will like it, and mourn their losses.DavidL said:
More significantly the Guardian seems somewhat less interested in the 3.5m-6m who have chosen to stay: https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/07/02/are-there-really-6m-eu-citizens-living-in-the-uk/noneoftheabove said:
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
And Scotland? I totally accept that my corner is not automatically representative. But then again I look at the Scottish government's "New Scots" policy and them having just won a 4th term on a record vote in a record turnout and conclude that there must be some merit in my argument.
There are so many wonderful people in England. There will be many nobbers in Scotland. But the direction of travel south of the wall feels a lot worse than north of it - and I have friends living in England in despair at what is happening to society.
But this may be too cynical, even for me.
If you work in the NHS, you don’t care if more immigrants come in (and welcome it if it means less work) because your pay / pensions are protected and the increased numbers make no difference. Same goes for areas such as teachers etc.
In the Law and Accounting, though, I’m always surprised at how few people from EU countries there were (ex-Ireland) especially as the firms were international groups that could move people around between offices.
If your point is on loss to life and limb, arguably you could say that someone who was selling their services fiddling around with plumbing, electrics and the construction of a house should be more subject to regulations given there is a direct risk to life / harm if they screw things up.0 -
Mr Ed.. it's taken you 4,299 tries but you've nailed it! (I suspect I may have liked many of the others but didn't say to be honest)MrEd said:
Thank you OmniumOmnium said:
I really like that commentMrEd said:
It’s not the Old Ye Leavers’ Arms is it @kinablu?Leon said:
I refer you to the greater expertise of @kinabalu - PB’s Honourable Member for Total Bullshitshire, WestMrEd said:
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.Leon said:
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the backMrEd said:
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.kinabalu said:
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?Leon said:
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phraseFF43 said:
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?
In a thousand years will we have pubs such as the 'Remainers Rest', the ' Battle of Brexit', 'Johnson's Johnson', 'The Sir Keir Starmer Solicitude'
As well as “The Charge of the Remainer Brigade” and “The Farage Arms” 😀
The really nice thing a thousand years hence is that the arguments won't matter.0 -
I thought the article was going to be about British people who've left due to Brexit, but in fact nearly everyone in it is someone from another country who moved to the UK for a number of years and then decided to return to their home country.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em0 -
Lets look at what Young actually said, rather than what is reported by third parties. It is clear this is in no sense demanding Spotify doing something, but him deciding the conditions for how his content is supplied.TheWhiteRabbit said:
"The singer, 78, said she was standing 'in solidarity' with Young who this week demanded Spotify take down his songs unless the platform agrees to stop carrying The Joe Rogan Experience podcast."noneoftheabove said:
They are not demanding it. They are saying they dont want to share space on Asda with Heinz. Plenty of brands won't share space with other brands.Richard_Tyndall said:
The free market would dictate that it would be the users not the suppliers who would decide what should stay on the market. In this case it is like Mr Organic Baked Beans (yes such a thing does exist) demanding that Asda stop selling Heinz.noneoftheabove said:
And that all the right wing defenders of the free market don't like businesses and consumers deciding who uses their platform......FrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
She wants Asda not to sell Heinz, she says Spotify "is 'costing people their lives"
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/neil-young-spotify-free-speech/
“I support free speech,” Young wrote in a letter posted to his Neil Young Archives site. “I have never been in favor of censorship. Private companies have the right to choose what they profit from, just as I can choose not to have my music support a platform that disseminates harmful information. I am happy and proud to stand in solidarity with the front line health care workers who risk their lives every day to help others.”
As of now, Spotify has taken down Young's music from their platform, as per the artist's request. "They can have [Joe] Rogan or Young. Not both,” Young said last week
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Yehhhhhhh, I’ve done it 😀🍾🍾Omnium said:
Mr Ed.. it's taken you 4,299 tries but you've nailed it! (I suspect I may have liked many of the others but didn't say to be honest)MrEd said:
Thank you OmniumOmnium said:
I really like that commentMrEd said:
It’s not the Old Ye Leavers’ Arms is it @kinablu?Leon said:
I refer you to the greater expertise of @kinabalu - PB’s Honourable Member for Total Bullshitshire, WestMrEd said:
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.Leon said:
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the backMrEd said:
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.kinabalu said:
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?Leon said:
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phraseFF43 said:
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?
In a thousand years will we have pubs such as the 'Remainers Rest', the ' Battle of Brexit', 'Johnson's Johnson', 'The Sir Keir Starmer Solicitude'
As well as “The Charge of the Remainer Brigade” and “The Farage Arms” 😀
The really nice thing a thousand years hence is that the arguments won't matter.
You’re right, in a 1000 years, people will look on these hit topics with the same disinterest as the Anglo-Irish Customs War post-independence.
Anyway, I’m off to celebrate nailing it by visiting a Bavarian-themed bordello in a pub in Belsize Park 😀0 -
Quite laughable he thought that his threat would persuade Spotify to take Joe Rogan off. A legend in his own mind.Richard_Tyndall said:
Nope. They said that Spotify should remove Rogan or they would leave. It was a threat they made in an attempt to get him banned. Neil Young in particular (whose music I absolutely love and listen to a hundred times more than I have ever listened to Rogan) thought that his threat would be enough to get Rogan kicked off. He was, so far, thankfully wrong.noneoftheabove said:
They are not demanding it. They are saying they dont want to share space on Asda with Heinz. Plenty of brands won't share space with other brands.Richard_Tyndall said:
The free market would dictate that it would be the users not the suppliers who would decide what should stay on the market. In this case it is like Mr Organic Baked Beans (yes such a thing does exist) demanding that Asda stop selling Heinz.noneoftheabove said:
And that all the right wing defenders of the free market don't like businesses and consumers deciding who uses their platform......FrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over1 -
If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)Richard_Tyndall said:
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.Omnium said:
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/1 -
It was an ultimatum or a threat if you like, sure, that is different to a demand. It is a completely normal and unremarkable part of commerce for brands to decide who they are associated with.Richard_Tyndall said:
Nope. They said that Spotify should remove Rogan or they would leave. It was a threat they made in an attempt to get him banned. Neil Young in particular (whose music I absolutely love and listen to a hundred times more than I have ever listened to Rogan) thought that his threat would be enough to get Rogan kicked off. He was, so far, thankfully wrong.noneoftheabove said:
They are not demanding it. They are saying they dont want to share space on Asda with Heinz. Plenty of brands won't share space with other brands.Richard_Tyndall said:
The free market would dictate that it would be the users not the suppliers who would decide what should stay on the market. In this case it is like Mr Organic Baked Beans (yes such a thing does exist) demanding that Asda stop selling Heinz.noneoftheabove said:
And that all the right wing defenders of the free market don't like businesses and consumers deciding who uses their platform......FrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over0 -
You realise that Leon will be rushing back to check that you're not having more fun than he is don't you!MrEd said:
Yehhhhhhh, I’ve done it 😀🍾🍾Omnium said:
Mr Ed.. it's taken you 4,299 tries but you've nailed it! (I suspect I may have liked many of the others but didn't say to be honest)MrEd said:
Thank you OmniumOmnium said:
I really like that commentMrEd said:
It’s not the Old Ye Leavers’ Arms is it @kinablu?Leon said:
I refer you to the greater expertise of @kinabalu - PB’s Honourable Member for Total Bullshitshire, WestMrEd said:
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.Leon said:
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the backMrEd said:
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.kinabalu said:
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?Leon said:
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phraseFF43 said:
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?
In a thousand years will we have pubs such as the 'Remainers Rest', the ' Battle of Brexit', 'Johnson's Johnson', 'The Sir Keir Starmer Solicitude'
As well as “The Charge of the Remainer Brigade” and “The Farage Arms” 😀
The really nice thing a thousand years hence is that the arguments won't matter.
You’re right, in a 1000 years, people will look on these hit topics with the same disinterest as the Anglo-Irish Customs War post-independence.
Anyway, I’m off to celebrate nailing it by visiting a Bavarian-themed bordello in a pub in Belsize Park 😀0 -
Yes, that's fair enough. Young is absolutely entitled to withdraw material he owns the property rights to from a platform if he feels that's a way of flagging up dangerous anti-vax propaganda.noneoftheabove said:
Lets look at what Young actually said, rather than what is reported by third parties. It is clear this is in no sense demanding Spotify doing something, but him deciding the conditions for how his content is supplied.TheWhiteRabbit said:
"The singer, 78, said she was standing 'in solidarity' with Young who this week demanded Spotify take down his songs unless the platform agrees to stop carrying The Joe Rogan Experience podcast."noneoftheabove said:
They are not demanding it. They are saying they dont want to share space on Asda with Heinz. Plenty of brands won't share space with other brands.Richard_Tyndall said:
The free market would dictate that it would be the users not the suppliers who would decide what should stay on the market. In this case it is like Mr Organic Baked Beans (yes such a thing does exist) demanding that Asda stop selling Heinz.noneoftheabove said:
And that all the right wing defenders of the free market don't like businesses and consumers deciding who uses their platform......FrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
She wants Asda not to sell Heinz, she says Spotify "is 'costing people their lives"
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/neil-young-spotify-free-speech/
“I support free speech,” Young wrote in a letter posted to his Neil Young Archives site. “I have never been in favor of censorship. Private companies have the right to choose what they profit from, just as I can choose not to have my music support a platform that disseminates harmful information. I am happy and proud to stand in solidarity with the front line health care workers who risk their lives every day to help others.”
As of now, Spotify has taken down Young's music from their platform, as per the artist's request. "They can have [Joe] Rogan or Young. Not both,” Young said last week1 -
This is the genius of it.Leon said:
If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)Richard_Tyndall said:
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.Omnium said:
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/
He doesn't have a deep carefully crafted consistent intellectual world ideology, he is a cage fighting commentator who likes talking to interesting people. He doesn't see himself like Prof Peston as some amateur expert on every subject.
Its the fact that interesting people are happy to go and talk to him, because he gives them time and space to explain their subject and bright enough to ask the sort of question most normal people want to ask an expert if they met them in the pub.0 -
Fair point, he is a nut job. But he’s definitely not representative of Rogan’s guests.Dura_Ace said:
How is Alex Jones not a nut job? He cried when Trump bombed Syria for a start.MrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
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I don’t know, he might be worried he’ll bump into @kinablu in the bordello 😀Omnium said:
You realise that Leon will be rushing back to check that you're not having more fun than he is don't you!MrEd said:
Yehhhhhhh, I’ve done it 😀🍾🍾Omnium said:
Mr Ed.. it's taken you 4,299 tries but you've nailed it! (I suspect I may have liked many of the others but didn't say to be honest)MrEd said:
Thank you OmniumOmnium said:
I really like that commentMrEd said:
It’s not the Old Ye Leavers’ Arms is it @kinablu?Leon said:
I refer you to the greater expertise of @kinabalu - PB’s Honourable Member for Total Bullshitshire, WestMrEd said:
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.Leon said:
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the backMrEd said:
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.kinabalu said:
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?Leon said:
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phraseFF43 said:
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?
In a thousand years will we have pubs such as the 'Remainers Rest', the ' Battle of Brexit', 'Johnson's Johnson', 'The Sir Keir Starmer Solicitude'
As well as “The Charge of the Remainer Brigade” and “The Farage Arms” 😀
The really nice thing a thousand years hence is that the arguments won't matter.
You’re right, in a 1000 years, people will look on these hit topics with the same disinterest as the Anglo-Irish Customs War post-independence.
Anyway, I’m off to celebrate nailing it by visiting a Bavarian-themed bordello in a pub in Belsize Park 😀0 -
"cage fighting commentator " - surely therefore an idiot? Am I missing anything?FrancisUrquhart said:
This is the genius of it.Leon said:
If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)Richard_Tyndall said:
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.Omnium said:
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/
He doesn't have a deep carefully crafted consistent intellectual world ideology, he is a cage fighting commentator who likes talking to interesting people. He doesn't seem himself like Prof Peston as some amateur expert on every subject.
Its the fact that interesting people are happy to go and talk to him, because he gives them time and space to explain their subject and bright enough to ask the sort of question most normal people want to ask an expert.0 -
The storm is already blowing over. People are moving on. The Conservatives have had a strong poll recovery this week with one poll even having a tiny 4% Labour lead.RochdalePioneers said:Thinking back on the Graygate saga, feels like one of two things is true:
1. She has uncovered some serious shit that the police really need to dig into with a clear slate. Like Perverting the Course of Justice
2. Its a cover-up. Doesn't look good for the system to have the PM and civil service breaking the rules on such a grand scale, so go all in and have a compliant Met bury it.
Still not sure which it is. Would be good news for Boris and his off-shore fan club if it wasn't for this simple truth: there is more to come. Boris is not an honest politician, not a competent politician and is almost certain to have done a lot more than we already know. And thats not just parties, its the flat refurb, PPE contracts, the whole smash.
So the "he'll get away with this and people will move on" hope is built on this being the lot. Such hopes have been expressed before. And every time more pain is leaked to the press...
Tonight's poll with opinium will confirm a further swing towards the Conservatives.1 -
To be fair though, Oldham did have some pretty bad trouble between the two communities and it wasn’t just stirred up by one side. Don’t know if it has improved.RochdalePioneers said:
Its pretty multi-ethnic up here. A lot of Russians and Poles, families in our village school from places like Hungary and Latvia. A lot of English.Leon said:
Yes, the multiculti and hyper-tolerant Mr Pioneers has, oddly, moved from one of the most racially diverse parts of the UK to probably the whitest part of the UK, an area which he thoroughly prefers, as it is supposedly more “welcoming” to others. There just aren’t any others being welcomedmaaarsh said:
Ironically they seem heavily formed by coming from Rochdale, home of the race riots. No doubt living in a massively less diverse country now feels very harmonious and welcoming.Leon said:
Oh good grief. I know actual snowflakes who are less snowflakey than you, and recently-crippled jackals that are less whineyRochdalePioneers said:
How am I judging it? I've lived in various parts of England, I've seen the way that the English national psyche has turned more insular and nasty towards the other (the rise of the BNP then UKIP then Brexit and "fuck em" upthread). That England is no longer as open and tolerant as it was feels self-evident though I know the fuck em brigade will disagree.kle4 said:
How are you judging these things? If my corner of England is very welcoming does that prove all England is? If my corner is less so does that prove the other way?RochdalePioneers said:
Scotland - at least my corner of it - is already far more welcoming to incomers than England is. I can't see how independence suddenly creates an anti-English or anti-Unionist hate that would force people outDavidL said:
If it comes to that I am not sure what we would do to be honest. A lot depends on family which is more important than countries but I can see the balance of our family edging south over the next few years. As a Scots lawyer I will have to hang around until I retire. After that I am not so sure. But the views of those who choose to remain will still be more relevant than the views of those who choose to depart.Foxy said:
I suspect that most Unionists will stay on in Independent Scotland too, but it doesn't mean that they will like it, and mourn their losses.DavidL said:
More significantly the Guardian seems somewhat less interested in the 3.5m-6m who have chosen to stay: https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/07/02/are-there-really-6m-eu-citizens-living-in-the-uk/noneoftheabove said:
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
And Scotland? I totally accept that my corner is not automatically representative. But then again I look at the Scottish government's "New Scots" policy and them having just won a 4th term on a record vote in a record turnout and conclude that there must be some merit in my argument.
There are so many wonderful people in England. There will be many nobbers in Scotland. But the direction of travel south of the wall feels a lot worse than north of it - and I have friends living in England in despair at what is happening to society.
Strange
Incidentally, @maaarsh commenting about Rochdale and race riots - just wondering what actual lived experience he - or you - have of such things?
Many of the Lancashire cotton towns welcomed multiple waves of migrants from the commonwealth. Rochdale has sizeable Indian and Pakistani and Kashmiri and Bangladeshi populations, with similar seen in other neighbouring towns like Oldham (where I did my A-levels) and Burnley.
So, these "riots". The BNP came and worked away at some morons. Because communities tend to congregate together you would have different groups in different areas. Some of the shitkicker WWC thought they were being discriminated against because money was spent in a non-white area, the BNP picked at it, some got elected until they were very quickly laughed out of town.
I remember two "riots". One in the centre of Rochdale where BNP skinheads and anti-nazi skinheads went at each other. And one in Rochdale where two different ethnic groups had a scrap. When there are little townlets divided by hills its easy to segregate - Rochdale describes these as "townships" FFS1 -
I personally recommend the JRE podcast with Andrew Doyle, the anti-Woke comedian who invented Titania McGrath
Doyle is seriously funny. In person.0 -
No, that contrast in PBTory perceptions is there all right. Very obvious today. Irrespective of what the actual situation is or isn't.IshmaelZ said:
I don't think it is that, it is one poster's naive misunderstanding of the reason for the absence of racial intolerance in his new surroundingsCarnyx said:
Too busy -greenhouse to repair from wind damage - to do more than drop in for a moment - but amused how PBTories half the time claim that Scots are as rightwing and racist (or not) as other parts of the UK, [edit] so the prospects for Scons rule etc are bright, and half the time claim that they are a bunch of irredeemable lefties sui generis ...Eabhal said:
Scotland is only marginally more left wing than England. The SNP soak up a lot of @malcolmg types, so obscure the number of right wingers.HYUFD said:
An independent Scotland would be one of the most leftwing nations in the world. A centre right party might get about 30% on a good day, that is it. It would need the Liberals to ever form a government.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Excuse me but you have no idea what the Scots would do post independence and away from Boris and WestminsterHYUFD said:
Unlikely, Scotland would become like Sweden, generally voting in social democratic governments like now, whether SNP or Labour. Only way the Conservatives would get in is with a broad alliance with the Liberals as in SwedenBig_G_NorthWales said:
You may even vote in a Scon government post independencemalcolmg said:
I was not insinuating you were MrEd , just adding my tuppence worth. I for one don't see Scotland as it is as any paradise, big changes needed for sure and they will never happen whilst we are in the union. May not happen when independent but at least there will be a chance then.MrEd said:
Funnily enough, I wasn’t thinking of you when I made that comment but more the likes of @Theuniondivvie who seems to portray Scotland as some sort of paradise as compared to the hell hole of the U.K.malcolmg said:
When I moan about the UK I am including Scotland , it is no paradise and is almost as crap as UK at present.MrEd said:
And some pro-Indy Scot PBers need to moan about how bad the rest of the U.K. is, the country is awful etc etc. We get that too.Theuniondivvie said:
Brexiteers need to moan about Remainers, we get that.DavidL said:
More significantly the Guardian seems somewhat less interested in the 3.5m-6m who have chosen to stay: https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/07/02/are-there-really-6m-eu-citizens-living-in-the-uk/noneoftheabove said:
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
Indeed it's the very lifeblood of some PBers.
Someday Sturgeon and the SNP will have run their course and a Scon government is not at all impossible
And centre-right is relative. The Tories are nearer US Dems than GOP nowadays.
Top tip: congratulate right-on Tasmanians on how little problem they have with their aboriginal population compared to the mainland.0 -
yeah, fire up the QUITE klaxon, boys, we're going to need it.IshmaelZ said:
What an unbelievably boring point.bondegezou said:
You do all realise, don’t you, that the timelines for deciding what goes on the ballot paper next to your name make it impossible for any of these to have been done?BannedinnParis said:
At least make the acronym mildly saucyIshmaelZ said:
If I had been one of the nutter candidates I would have rebadged as Anti Corruption Publish Gray In Full Now. Definite deposit saver, at leastNickPalmer said:
Mmm, I see. I think voting Tory in Southend W won't be interpreted as a vote of confidence in British Afghanistan policy, though - just a message to murderers not to bother, you just get another MP with similar views. There will be other opportunities to express a view on the virtues or otherwise of Conservative government.IshmaelZ said:
That's what differentially means to me, sure. I just don't think a vote for a lying slob complicit in the unnecessary abandonment of civilians to possible murder in Kabul sends the message you want. The opposite actuallyNickPalmer said:
What? I agree with FF43. Vote Tory in Southend West! (And, if that's what you were asking, I equally oppose murdering anyone else too.)IshmaelZ said:
Are you *differentially* opposed to the murder of mps, and confident of getting through to the right audience?FF43 said:If I lived in Southend West I would happily vote Conservative as a personal protest against the murder of MPs. It doesn't affect the outcome. The argument is, nor should it.
I do think it's surprising that a far-left groupuscule hasn't had a go, through. Someone like TUSC might even have saved their deposit and certainly got a fair amount of coverage.
Gray Report Out Today!
Gray Report! Our Whitehall Liars Exit Rapidly!
Yes.
Doesn't stop you restating your platform everywhere else, does it?0 -
Yes, everythingOmnium said:
"cage fighting commentator " - surely therefore an idiot? Am I missing anything?FrancisUrquhart said:
This is the genius of it.Leon said:
If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)Richard_Tyndall said:
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.Omnium said:
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/
He doesn't have a deep carefully crafted consistent intellectual world ideology, he is a cage fighting commentator who likes talking to interesting people. He doesn't seem himself like Prof Peston as some amateur expert on every subject.
Its the fact that interesting people are happy to go and talk to him, because he gives them time and space to explain their subject and bright enough to ask the sort of question most normal people want to ask an expert.0 -
I think your personal prejudices are showing. Dan Hardy and Dominick Cruz also commentate on cage fighting, both highly intelligent and articulate.Omnium said:
"cage fighting commentator " - surely therefore an idiot? Am I missing anything?FrancisUrquhart said:
This is the genius of it.Leon said:
If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)Richard_Tyndall said:
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.Omnium said:
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/
He doesn't have a deep carefully crafted consistent intellectual world ideology, he is a cage fighting commentator who likes talking to interesting people. He doesn't seem himself like Prof Peston as some amateur expert on every subject.
Its the fact that interesting people are happy to go and talk to him, because he gives them time and space to explain their subject and bright enough to ask the sort of question most normal people want to ask an expert.
Joe Rogan isn't a genius, but he doesn't pretend to be. He is a normal bloke, who does some reading, but has the ability to bring the best out of guests by asking pertinent questions.0 -
Good spot.IshmaelZ said:https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidPitt65/status/1487348311912853506
Johnson 16 years ago explaining strategy of "making so many gaffes media doesn't know which to concentrate on." Hat tip @david_herdson0 -
I doubt any of us are really night life.MrEd said:
I don’t know, he might be worried he’ll bump into @kinablu in the bordello 😀Omnium said:
You realise that Leon will be rushing back to check that you're not having more fun than he is don't you!MrEd said:
Yehhhhhhh, I’ve done it 😀🍾🍾Omnium said:
Mr Ed.. it's taken you 4,299 tries but you've nailed it! (I suspect I may have liked many of the others but didn't say to be honest)MrEd said:
Thank you OmniumOmnium said:
I really like that commentMrEd said:
It’s not the Old Ye Leavers’ Arms is it @kinablu?Leon said:
I refer you to the greater expertise of @kinabalu - PB’s Honourable Member for Total Bullshitshire, WestMrEd said:
My uncle owned a pub in Belsize Park. When he first took over in the early 80s he said there used to be hookers on the street opposite the tube station.Leon said:
I hear that there is a pub just like this in Belsize Park. Also, surprisingly, it has a full scale Bavarian-themed bordello at the backMrEd said:
Mmmm, how many times have you been in a place like that @kinablu? Doesn’t seem like your natural haunt.kinabalu said:
Thing is, if you walk into Ye Olde Leaver Arms there IS a crowd of thick racist plebs in there, jostling at the bar, hogging most of the tables, and ok what you *should* do is ignore them, get your pint and make a beeline for that nice cerebral looking chap in the corner, doing the Times cryptic, have a chat with him, but it can be quite an effort to do that and so the temptation is to turn around and find a different watering hole. Not good for peace and mutual understanding, I grant you, but it's how it is. Perhaps over time?Leon said:
Nah, if they can’t be arsed to spend even 5 minutes asking themselves as to whether the Leavers had a point about sovereignty and democracy, and weren’t all thick racist plebs, then they are Better Off Out of the UK, to coin a phraseFF43 said:
What they miss, as explained in the article, was a niceness about Britain that was lost with Brexit. It was an idea, maybe an illusion. But given people expressing comments similar to yours just now, it's hardly surprising they don't think Britain is so nice now.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
But it’s not insightful for the reasons the writer thinks
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
More Importantly, any clues you can give to the identity of the pub?
In a thousand years will we have pubs such as the 'Remainers Rest', the ' Battle of Brexit', 'Johnson's Johnson', 'The Sir Keir Starmer Solicitude'
As well as “The Charge of the Remainer Brigade” and “The Farage Arms” 😀
The really nice thing a thousand years hence is that the arguments won't matter.
You’re right, in a 1000 years, people will look on these hit topics with the same disinterest as the Anglo-Irish Customs War post-independence.
Anyway, I’m off to celebrate nailing it by visiting a Bavarian-themed bordello in a pub in Belsize Park 😀0 -
I once heard Doyle interviewed elsewhere. To me he seemed strangely self-obsessed.Leon said:I personally recommend the JRE podcast with Andrew Doyle, the anti-Woke comedian who invented Titania McGrath
Doyle is seriously funny. In person.1 -
He had bit part in some shit sitcom too. His Fields Medal is in the post.Omnium said:
"cage fighting commentator " - surely therefore an idiot? Am I missing anything?FrancisUrquhart said:
This is the genius of it.Leon said:
If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)Richard_Tyndall said:
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.Omnium said:
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/
He doesn't have a deep carefully crafted consistent intellectual world ideology, he is a cage fighting commentator who likes talking to interesting people. He doesn't seem himself like Prof Peston as some amateur expert on every subject.
Its the fact that interesting people are happy to go and talk to him, because he gives them time and space to explain their subject and bright enough to ask the sort of question most normal people want to ask an expert.0 -
Of course my prejudices are showing... 'cage fight' - no. I don't mind the fight, I don't mind even the cage, but I do mind that two stupid things might be thought worth observing.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think your personal prejudices are showing. Dan Hardy and Dominick Cruz also commentate on cage fighting, both highly intelligent and articulate.Omnium said:
"cage fighting commentator " - surely therefore an idiot? Am I missing anything?FrancisUrquhart said:
This is the genius of it.Leon said:
If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)Richard_Tyndall said:
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.Omnium said:
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/
He doesn't have a deep carefully crafted consistent intellectual world ideology, he is a cage fighting commentator who likes talking to interesting people. He doesn't seem himself like Prof Peston as some amateur expert on every subject.
Its the fact that interesting people are happy to go and talk to him, because he gives them time and space to explain their subject and bright enough to ask the sort of question most normal people want to ask an expert.
Joe Rogan isn't a genius, but he doesn't pretend to be. He is a normal bloke, who does some reading, but has the ability to bring the best out of guests by asking pertinent questions.0 -
I’m at home with the folks and Papa Ed asked why the hell everyone was bothered about people drinking wine at Number 10 when there was the trouble in the Ukraine and everything else.Marylmilton said:
The storm is already blowing over. People are moving on. The Conservatives have had a strong poll recovery this week with one poll even having a tiny 4% Labour lead.RochdalePioneers said:Thinking back on the Graygate saga, feels like one of two things is true:
1. She has uncovered some serious shit that the police really need to dig into with a clear slate. Like Perverting the Course of Justice
2. Its a cover-up. Doesn't look good for the system to have the PM and civil service breaking the rules on such a grand scale, so go all in and have a compliant Met bury it.
Still not sure which it is. Would be good news for Boris and his off-shore fan club if it wasn't for this simple truth: there is more to come. Boris is not an honest politician, not a competent politician and is almost certain to have done a lot more than we already know. And thats not just parties, its the flat refurb, PPE contracts, the whole smash.
So the "he'll get away with this and people will move on" hope is built on this being the lot. Such hopes have been expressed before. And every time more pain is leaked to the press...
Tonight's poll with opinium will confirm a further swing towards the Conservatives.
He also did go a bit @cyclefree by saying that the Met are an absolute joke, given what happened with the woman killed by her ex and the other stuff.
Finally, he asked me what was the meaning of “woke” and where did it come from. I, of course, gave him a neutral opinion 😀
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Educate me!Leon said:
Yes, everythingOmnium said:
"cage fighting commentator " - surely therefore an idiot? Am I missing anything?FrancisUrquhart said:
This is the genius of it.Leon said:
If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)Richard_Tyndall said:
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.Omnium said:
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/
He doesn't have a deep carefully crafted consistent intellectual world ideology, he is a cage fighting commentator who likes talking to interesting people. He doesn't seem himself like Prof Peston as some amateur expert on every subject.
Its the fact that interesting people are happy to go and talk to him, because he gives them time and space to explain their subject and bright enough to ask the sort of question most normal people want to ask an expert.0 -
Aye, there's the rub.kinabalu said:
The 'Lying To Parliament' lurks there like a croc in the murky waters. He did, this is clear, and the clinching evidence can't be forever suppressed. Trouble is, I bet he STILL wouldn't resign.IshmaelZ said:
Unless it doesn't workStark_Dawning said:
Boris has played a blinder here. The Tory Party wibbled with its VONC and went with the line 'Yes, he's gone but let's just wait for the Gray report before plunging the dagger'. So what does Boris do? Gets friend Cressida to fillet the report depriving the Tory rebellion - which was fading anyway - of any ammo it needed to convince the waverers. It's almost Cummings-esque in its nihilistic genius.kinabalu said:
Well what can they say? What looks to be maybe happening can't easily be spoken.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky News are leading on Ukraine - Russia and Boris travelling there next week
It seems even they have given up on Sue Gray's filleted report and the appalling behaviour of Cressida Dick
Or can it? - In return for having her contract renewed Cressida Dick is trying to nobble the Gray report in order to save Boris Johnson.
Is this what lots of posters on here think?
My hopes are: Tory rebellion fading is spin from op save pig dog. They realise if they save him now there is a world of pain coming with the lies over kabul, he gets comprehensively vonced and we all ask why we ever expected anything else
Or a cabinet minister is just waiting for Gray prior to a move
Or Gray shows he lied to the house and he goes
Can't shame the shameless.5 -
I would have said the rule of mid-term governments would have been the other way around.Fishing said:
I'm afraid you're violating the number one rule of mid-term governments - never believe it's brilliance when flakiness, misunderstanding and incompetence explain it just as well.Stark_Dawning said:
Boris has played a blinder here. The Tory Party wibbled with its VONC and went with the line 'Yes, he's gone but let's just wait for the Gray report before plunging the dagger'. So what does Boris do? Gets friend Cressida to fillet the report depriving the Tory rebellion - which was fading anyway - of any ammo it needed to convince the waverers. It's almost Cummings-esque in its nihilistic genius.kinabalu said:
Well what can they say? What looks to be maybe happening can't easily be spoken.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky News are leading on Ukraine - Russia and Boris travelling there next week
It seems even they have given up on Sue Gray's filleted report and the appalling behaviour of Cressida Dick
Or can it? - In return for having her contract renewed Cressida Dick is trying to nobble the Gray report in order to save Boris Johnson.
Is this what lots of posters on here think?
Never assume it is some fundamental failing when boredom and the need for something to report on explain it just as well.
At times, this feels like omnishambles or plebgate or that nonsense about pasties or any other midterm scandal. It is, really, only the possible cover-up and questions of who knew what, when that raises this into significance.0 -
If he's wrong on it, at least is it interesting?Richard_Tyndall said:
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.Omnium said:
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over0 -
Hence "type". I would never accuse you of such a thingmalcolmg said:
Where do you get me for SNP, I am interested in independence NOT some two bit political party. @EabhalEabhal said:
Scotland is only marginally more left wing than England. The SNP soak up a lot of @malcolmg types, so obscure the number of right wingers.HYUFD said:
An independent Scotland would be one of the most leftwing nations in the world. A centre right party might get about 30% on a good day, that is it. It would need the Liberals to ever form a government.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Excuse me but you have no idea what the Scots would do post independence and away from Boris and WestminsterHYUFD said:
Unlikely, Scotland would become like Sweden, generally voting in social democratic governments like now, whether SNP or Labour. Only way the Conservatives would get in is with a broad alliance with the Liberals as in SwedenBig_G_NorthWales said:
You may even vote in a Scon government post independencemalcolmg said:
I was not insinuating you were MrEd , just adding my tuppence worth. I for one don't see Scotland as it is as any paradise, big changes needed for sure and they will never happen whilst we are in the union. May not happen when independent but at least there will be a chance then.MrEd said:
Funnily enough, I wasn’t thinking of you when I made that comment but more the likes of @Theuniondivvie who seems to portray Scotland as some sort of paradise as compared to the hell hole of the U.K.malcolmg said:
When I moan about the UK I am including Scotland , it is no paradise and is almost as crap as UK at present.MrEd said:
And some pro-Indy Scot PBers need to moan about how bad the rest of the U.K. is, the country is awful etc etc. We get that too.Theuniondivvie said:
Brexiteers need to moan about Remainers, we get that.DavidL said:
More significantly the Guardian seems somewhat less interested in the 3.5m-6m who have chosen to stay: https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/07/02/are-there-really-6m-eu-citizens-living-in-the-uk/noneoftheabove said:
Your post is a great example of world leading empathy and self awareness.Leon said:An insightful essay about EU Europeans who quit Britain and left after the Brexit vote. What they miss, do they regret, etc
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Not one of them, not a single one, even mentions the possibility that they understand why the British voted to Leave on the grounds of sovereignty and democracy. Most of them claim to love the UK, they do not love it, because love means understanding. Nor does the concept that Britain is admirable BECAUSE it is different and seeks self-rule and tries to be properly democratic even enter their tiny minds
Fuck em
Roughly a minimum of 10x those who chose to leave, even after Covid destroyed many EU citizens jobs here.
But, whatever. Remainers need to moan, we get that.
Indeed it's the very lifeblood of some PBers.
Someday Sturgeon and the SNP will have run their course and a Scon government is not at all impossible
And centre-right is relative. The Tories are nearer US Dems than GOP nowadays.
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The funniest part is that what Rogan, Sam Harris et al. have shown is there is real appetite for long form conversations with interesting people.Leon said:
Yes, everythingOmnium said:
"cage fighting commentator " - surely therefore an idiot? Am I missing anything?FrancisUrquhart said:
This is the genius of it.Leon said:
If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)Richard_Tyndall said:
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.Omnium said:
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/
He doesn't have a deep carefully crafted consistent intellectual world ideology, he is a cage fighting commentator who likes talking to interesting people. He doesn't seem himself like Prof Peston as some amateur expert on every subject.
Its the fact that interesting people are happy to go and talk to him, because he gives them time and space to explain their subject and bright enough to ask the sort of question most normal people want to ask an expert.
What does the mainstream do, 5 min interviews which they interrupt most of the time, ask the most irrelevant questions missing the key points or start arguing with an expert that they are wrong / they know better e.g. Peston with JVT. Or CNNs towering intellectuals like Don Lemon and formerly Chris Cuomo at peak time. And their ratings tank.1 -
I partly disagree. I suspect he is a bit of a genius. His ability to master any of a trillion subjects (in a few days?) so he can ask exactly the right questions, is almost unique. If it weren’t unique he wouldn’t be earning $30m a year. It’s not like he\s amazingly handsome or whatever. Anyone could do what he does, theoretically, but he does it better than anyone. And he knows how to charm and disarm - which is crucialFrancisUrquhart said:
I think your personal prejudices are showing. Dan Hardy and Dominick Cruz also commentate on cage fighting, both highly intelligent and articulate.Omnium said:
"cage fighting commentator " - surely therefore an idiot? Am I missing anything?FrancisUrquhart said:
This is the genius of it.Leon said:
If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)Richard_Tyndall said:
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.Omnium said:
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/
He doesn't have a deep carefully crafted consistent intellectual world ideology, he is a cage fighting commentator who likes talking to interesting people. He doesn't seem himself like Prof Peston as some amateur expert on every subject.
Its the fact that interesting people are happy to go and talk to him, because he gives them time and space to explain their subject and bright enough to ask the sort of question most normal people want to ask an expert.
Joe Rogan isn't a genius, but he doesn't pretend to be. He is a normal bloke, who does some reading, but has the ability to bring the best out of guests by asking pertinent questions.
So often I’ve listened to a podcast and thought, OK, so ask him or her THIS, and then Rogan does exactly that. This is not a feeling you get in TV news interviews, which are brief, perfunctory, embarrassingly trivial and in politics generally just a series of gotcha moments when the journalist tries to get famous. Rogan does not do that
If not quite a genius he is very very smart, and has a vanishingly rare talent for spoken interviews
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Highlights the problem that Boris (and by extension, the rest of us) has.StuartDickson said:
Good spot.IshmaelZ said:https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidPitt65/status/1487348311912853506
Johnson 16 years ago explaining strategy of "making so many gaffes media doesn't know which to concentrate on." Hat tip @david_herdson
If you are a journalist, setting off squibs for the amusement of the public, it's easy and cost-free to do dozens of gaffes all at once. Words will never hurt me, right?
If you're running a real country inhabited by real people, it's not just a game any more. Those bricks you chuck hit actual objects, damage actual lives.
The fundamental trouble with Johnson, Cummings, the Spiked crowd, Sunak, Truss, the whole rancid lot of 'em, is they are behaving as if it is just a game.3 -
normal blokes tend not to take horse worming pills when they catch covid.
I think your personal prejudices are showing. Dan Hardy and Dominick Cruz also commentate on cage fighting, both highly intelligent and articulate.
Joe Rogan isn't a genius, but he doesn't pretend to be. He is a normal bloke, who does some reading, but has the ability to bring the best out of guests by asking pertinent questions.0 -
But the lives that get damaged are never their own.Stuartinromford said:If you're running a real country inhabited by real people, it's not just a game any more. Those bricks you chuck hit actual objects, damage actual lives.
The fundamental trouble with Johnson, Cummings, the Spiked crowd, Sunak, Truss, the whole rancid lot of 'em, is they are behaving as if it is just a game.
That's why they keep doing it.
And it keeps on working for them.2 -
Subscribe to Spotify. Choose your niche subjects. Listen to five of the most recommended JRE podcasts on those subjects. Give them a goOmnium said:
Educate me!Leon said:
Yes, everythingOmnium said:
"cage fighting commentator " - surely therefore an idiot? Am I missing anything?FrancisUrquhart said:
This is the genius of it.Leon said:
If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)Richard_Tyndall said:
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.Omnium said:
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/
He doesn't have a deep carefully crafted consistent intellectual world ideology, he is a cage fighting commentator who likes talking to interesting people. He doesn't seem himself like Prof Peston as some amateur expert on every subject.
Its the fact that interesting people are happy to go and talk to him, because he gives them time and space to explain their subject and bright enough to ask the sort of question most normal people want to ask an expert.
You can listen to them while you are cooking, walking, exercising, lying in bed, drinking in bed, recovering from filthy sex, preparing for filthy sex, choosing a cigar in Havana, whatever
If you still think he’s an idiot cage fighting commentator, then fair enough, you tried
I was very skeptical until I got into them a couple of years ago
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Well if you stooping baldheads can't agree why it's pointless then I guess I may have to find out for myself. Sunday morning Rogan. Perhaps little Josh.Leon said:
I partly disagree. I suspect he is a bit of a genius. His ability to master any of a trillion subjects (in a few days?) so he can ask exactly the right questions, is almost unique. If it weren’t unique he wouldn’t be earning $30m a year. It’s not like he\s amazingly handsome or whatever. Anyone could do what he does, theoretically, but he does it better than anyone. And he knows how to charm and disarm - which is crucialFrancisUrquhart said:
I think your personal prejudices are showing. Dan Hardy and Dominick Cruz also commentate on cage fighting, both highly intelligent and articulate.Omnium said:
"cage fighting commentator " - surely therefore an idiot? Am I missing anything?FrancisUrquhart said:
This is the genius of it.Leon said:
If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)Richard_Tyndall said:
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.Omnium said:
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/
He doesn't have a deep carefully crafted consistent intellectual world ideology, he is a cage fighting commentator who likes talking to interesting people. He doesn't seem himself like Prof Peston as some amateur expert on every subject.
Its the fact that interesting people are happy to go and talk to him, because he gives them time and space to explain their subject and bright enough to ask the sort of question most normal people want to ask an expert.
Joe Rogan isn't a genius, but he doesn't pretend to be. He is a normal bloke, who does some reading, but has the ability to bring the best out of guests by asking pertinent questions.
So often I’ve listened to a podcast and thought, OK, so ask him or her THIS, and then Rogan does exactly that. This is not a feeling you get in TV news interviews, which are brief, perfunctory, embarrassingly trivial and in politics generally just a series of gotcha moments when the journalist tries to get famous. Rogan does not do that
If not quite a genius he is very very smart, and has a vanishingly rare talent for spoken interviews2 -
Except he didn't take "horse deworming pills". He went to his doctor and said I will take whatever your think will help. He was prescribed a whole load of things, including the human form of Ivermectin, monoclonal antibodies etc.Tres said:
normal blokes tend not to take horse worming pills when they catch covid.
It is still very doubtful if Ivermectin does anything, but it has been given to billions of people for various conditions and is safe for human consumption.0 -
So he chose a quack doctor who decided to rinse him. I guess lots of rich Americans fall foul of that practice.1
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An idea is valid no matter it's source - I think I first heard that idea from the film 'Darkstar'.Leon said:
Subscribe to Spotify. Choose your niche subjects. Listen to five of the most recommended JRE podcasts on those subjects. Give them a goOmnium said:
Educate me!Leon said:
Yes, everythingOmnium said:
"cage fighting commentator " - surely therefore an idiot? Am I missing anything?FrancisUrquhart said:
This is the genius of it.Leon said:
If you are interested in a particular niche subject, from UFOs to vaccines to boxing to atheism to AI, you will often learn more from a JR podcast with an absolute insider, than you will watching any amount of normal TV. The equivalent is probably reading three or four quality books, but more timely and contemporary than books (because books are always a bit out of date)Richard_Tyndall said:
Anti-authority, anti-Government, anything that stirs it all up. Personally I find some of his views over the top and too extreme but not in a BNP sort of way. I don't object to him, just don't really get much out of him as it is difficult to pick the wheat from the chaff. Some stuff he is very right on, a lot he is very wrong on - in my opinion.Omnium said:
I've heard the Rogan name. Could you or somebody else summarise his views? (I'll not hang you on it)Leon said:
Yes. For some reason they have forgotten… the 1960s and 70sFrancisUrquhart said:
There is something incredibly ironic that all these liberal hippy types want him cancelled....Leon said:
Yes, he’s brilliant and he does his research and he knows his shit and he lets interesting people of all types say their stuff, but then challenges themMrEd said:
I find Joe Rogan very interesting and the idea that he is a right wing conspiracy theory peddler is bollocks. What he does - and I suspect why he gets specifically targeted - is allow guests who views are unorthodox (but, crucially, not nut job) to state their point of view. He also does his research and asks very targeted and detailed questions.Leon said:
He gets 11m listeners per show. it is enormous. And they last 3-4 hours sometimesMrEd said:
I would imagine far more people subscribe to Spotify for Joe Rogan than they do for Joni Mitchell….FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Joni Mitchell wants songs off Spotify in Covid row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60177933
I see its gets Joe Rogan day again....i thought it was highly amusing that Neil Young has been a big fan of RFK jnr, a massive conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer...due to also spreading bullshit about GMO crops. So RFK good, despite spreading antivaxxer nonsense, Joe Rogan bad.
i actually listened to the Robert Malone interview. It was exhaustive, often boring, highly detailed, and I still do not believe the anti vax stuff
But it was not hysterical misinformation. Malone is an important scientist and was a key figure in the invention of mRNA tech. He has to be listened to
WTF with some decrepit old billionaire rock star telling me what I can and cannot hear?
There is a reason he gets 11m people a show and CNN gets 800,000
800,000! It is risibly poor
Rogan is the essence of American Free Speech and if a bunch of woke old rockstars get him cancelled it will be the saddest thing, and Putin might as well invade all of us, and we can let Xi take over the whole internet, because then the West is over
You do need to sieve them out tho. Here’s a pretty handy list detailing some of the best
https://www.androidauthority.com/best-joe-rogan-podcasts-1188550/
He doesn't have a deep carefully crafted consistent intellectual world ideology, he is a cage fighting commentator who likes talking to interesting people. He doesn't seem himself like Prof Peston as some amateur expert on every subject.
Its the fact that interesting people are happy to go and talk to him, because he gives them time and space to explain their subject and bright enough to ask the sort of question most normal people want to ask an expert.
You can listen to them while you are cooking, walking, exercising, lying in bed, drinking in bed, recovering from filthy sex, preparing for filthy sex, choosing a cigar in Havana, whatever
If you still think he’s an idiot cage fighting commentator, then fair enough, you tried
I was very skeptical until I got into them a couple of years ago0 -
The long form podcast is one of the truly great things about the internet. Especially with AirPods1
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normal blokes tend not to take horse worming pills when they catch covid.Tres said:
I think your personal prejudices are showing. Dan Hardy and Dominick Cruz also commentate on cage fighting, both highly intelligent and articulate.
Joe Rogan isn't a genius, but he doesn't pretend to be. He is a normal bloke, who does some reading, but has the ability to bring the best out of guests by asking pertinent questions.
PB is awash with silly comments (including mine), but that is irredeemably stupid.
If you're going to go after someone for spouting nonsense, don't talk shit yourself. A quick look on wiki suggests it can be a useful drug for humans, particularly in the developing world.0 -
Mattarella has indeed been asked to stay on as president.0
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