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The worst political bet on the market today? – politicalbetting.com
In betting, both sides have intrinsic advantages. Punters get to pick and choose their bets, waiting for the bookie to make an error. The bookie gets to write the terms of the bet, from odds to wording and so on. Importantly, they can offer bets on only half of a market – letting people bet on some outcomes but not others.
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First. And lovely article, Quincel.4
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Q, any insight into betting opportunity for the next San Marinese general election? (Have already got Liechtenstein covered!)
Slightly more seriously, your article is interesting (as per usual) and informative (ditto). My own view has always been, that when the Koreas reunify, it will be sudden and surprising. Akin to the last major national reunification - Germany.
So putting a few bucks (or bob if you prefer) on One Korea by 2024 is like buying a lottery ticket at the gas station next time you fill 'er up. Less likely than getting crushed to death by a falling piano (or is it, you tell me!) But with a HUGE payoff IF it does happen.0 -
FPT - Perhaps the fine example of John Churchill, subsequently 1st Duke of Marlborough, may be instructive at the present juncture:
> When James II took the thrown, JC was his longtime supporter AND protege, and he took a major role in suppressing Monmouth's (premature) Rebellion.
> When the "Protestant Wind" carried William of Orange (husband of James's daughter Mary) over from Holland to England, JC took the field with King James to face the invader
> But JC was increasingly disturbed, both by James's overt, intensifying Catholic agenda AND by the King's growing, expanding unpopularity in England, if not (most) of Ireland
> So when it was clear that the bulk of establishment & public opinion was behind William, JC chose his moment . . . and galloped over to William's camp.
Where JC > Duke of Marlborough remained with considerable personal & professional success - to put it most mildly. Until that is his wife Sarah pissed off W's successor & sister in law Queen Anne BIG time.
But THAT's a whole other soap opera / Masterpiece Theater special.
Choosing the right moment to abandon ship for safer haven, is a skill developed to at least some extent by all successful politicos under just about any political system. Esp. true for top-to-mid level British parliamentarians.2 -
Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.0
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I wrote a header on here and tipped a market on US elections but misread the rules... was for the election that had just happened.0
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In other news, my taxi driver to airport - big Boris Johnson fan. "Let him get on with the job". "I don't care about his work events". "Done a fantastic job". The works.
They exist out there. Nothing going to shake his faith, not that I tried.
And yes reader, he got a tip!5 -
Be even more disappointing when England are shortly 3 down for 10 runs.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
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Rory Burns run out in second over. Disastrous start for England.0
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I found the discussion about drinking in the office yesterday interesting. I thought it was pretty normal to have drinks in the office in a social context in the evenings. Maybe however this is actually a London/big city thing, the exception not the rule.0
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Says 34-2 on the BBC. Better in fact than Australia were at the same stage.FrancisUrquhart said:
Be even more disappointing when England are shortly 3 down for 10 runs.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
And the forecast here is dry, although the clouds seem to have rolled over.0 -
David Starkey's series, The Churchills, drawing parallels between the Duke of Marlborough and Winston, has just been made available on Starkey's Youtube channel. Part one is here:SeaShantyIrish2 said:FPT - Perhaps the fine example of John Churchill, subsequently 1st Duke of Marlborough, may be instructive at the present juncture:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgszepU0rAE
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I do not recall that, except for one time. But it was a feature of Yes, Minister that drinks were kept openly in the office. And of course the House of Commons has subsidised bars.darkage said:I found the discussion about drinking in the office yesterday interesting. I thought it was pretty normal to have drinks in the office in a social context in the evenings. Maybe however this is actually a London/big city thing, the exception not the rule.
https://www.parliament.uk/globalassets/documents/commons-catering/transparency/catering-services-opening-times-and-access---jul-2021.pdf0 -
It has been the norm in the public sector policy making jobs I have been in over the years. Occasional beer/wine in the evening, usually bought in by senior managers, usually connected to the completion of some difficult work. Not so much in local government but not unthinkable. The private sector company I worked for had a drinks trolley but drunkenness and debauchery was always off site. I remember partners in the firm having a wrestling match on the street at 5 am (one was a woman), it was all part of the fun.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I do not recall that, except for one time. But it was a feature of Yes, Minister that drinks were kept openly in the office. And of course the House of Commons has subsidised bars.darkage said:I found the discussion about drinking in the office yesterday interesting. I thought it was pretty normal to have drinks in the office in a social context in the evenings. Maybe however this is actually a London/big city thing, the exception not the rule.
https://www.parliament.uk/globalassets/documents/commons-catering/transparency/catering-services-opening-times-and-access---jul-2021.pdf
I've never liked it particularly, but it doesn't bother me and I wouldn't want to stop it. The issue is doing it in a lockdown, when you made up the rules that you are imposing on the rest of the country. That is inexcusable.2 -
That was then, though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I do not recall that, except for one time. But it was a feature of Yes, Minister that drinks were kept openly in the office. And of course the House of Commons has subsidised bars.darkage said:I found the discussion about drinking in the office yesterday interesting. I thought it was pretty normal to have drinks in the office in a social context in the evenings. Maybe however this is actually a London/big city thing, the exception not the rule.
https://www.parliament.uk/globalassets/documents/commons-catering/transparency/catering-services-opening-times-and-access---jul-2021.pdf
Many large companies nowadays have ‘no alcohol on duty’ rules, which includes a drink out at lunchtime as well as in the office.3 -
Imagine how embarrassing it would be if the Sundays reveal the suitcase wasn’t just the means of delivery.
Suitcase Cocktail
1 Jack Daniels
1 Passion fruit
Instructions:
pour jack daniels and passion fruit into seperate shooters and chase the jack with the passion fruit
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Guardian: This was the week in which the Tory party – from cabinet ministers down to grassroots associations – started to believe that the end was nigh for Boris Johnson’s premiership.
“The problem is that he has in no way accepted that himself,” says one senior Tory adviser with knowledge of the prime minister’s inner circle.
And so began a period of what one Conservative minister described as prime ministerial “purgatory” – the gap between a leader being politically done for and the moment of their stepping down.
One person present at cabinet on Tuesday said the mood in No 10 was “total denial” about the seriousness of the situation that Johnson faces. Describing a “bizarre” and “farcical” virtual meeting, they said not a single cabinet minister mentioned the political peril that Johnson is facing.0 -
And read that..... and to be fair the Guardian has no interest in Johnson's survival as PM ..... alongside the 'Save Big Dog' reported in the Independent.IanB2 said:Guardian: This was the week in which the Tory party – from cabinet ministers down to grassroots associations – started to believe that the end was nigh for Boris Johnson’s premiership.
“The problem is that he has in no way accepted that himself,” says one senior Tory adviser with knowledge of the prime minister’s inner circle.
And so began a period of what one Conservative minister described as prime ministerial “purgatory” – the gap between a leader being politically done for and the moment of their stepping down.
One person present at cabinet on Tuesday said the mood in No 10 was “total denial” about the seriousness of the situation that Johnson faces. Describing a “bizarre” and “farcical” virtual meeting, they said not a single cabinet minister mentioned the political peril that Johnson is facing.
I was wrong to expect the PM to find some means of 'chickening out' of PMQ's on Wednesday, but I'm prepared to try another forecast; that in a storm of faux outrage several senior Downing St staff will be sacked.
Although they will quietly be promised, and found, comfortable jobs elsewhere. After politics has moved on.0 -
Article in The Times: ‘We’re swapping a £40k nanny for a £10k au pair: preparing for the cost of living squeeze.’0
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Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.0 -
It's tough at the top. Though surely nannies are trained and au pairs are not.northern_monkey said:Article in The Times: ‘We’re swapping a £40k nanny for a £10k au pair: preparing for the cost of living squeeze.’
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Was the tip Don't bet on Boris Johnson to get a majority at the next election?rkrkrk said:In other news, my taxi driver to airport - big Boris Johnson fan. "Let him get on with the job". "I don't care about his work events". "Done a fantastic job". The works.
They exist out there. Nothing going to shake his faith, not that I tried.
And yes reader, he got a tip!2 -
My understanding is that it's ok to sleep with the au pair, but not the nanny.northern_monkey said:Article in The Times: ‘We’re swapping a £40k nanny for a £10k au pair: preparing for the cost of living squeeze.’
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Good luck with that. Getting an au pair used to be easy peasy lemon squeazy, when young women from mainland Europe could nip over for a couple of years to improve their English while caring for your children. Now they get arrested at the airport and detained in disgraceful conditions. So much for Brand Britain.northern_monkey said:Article in The Times: ‘We’re swapping a £40k nanny for a £10k au pair: preparing for the cost of living squeeze.’
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What was your tip? Stop being such a mug?rkrkrk said:In other news, my taxi driver to airport - big Boris Johnson fan. "Let him get on with the job". "I don't care about his work events". "Done a fantastic job". The works.
They exist out there. Nothing going to shake his faith, not that I tried.
And yes reader, he got a tip!0 -
Been talking to Prince Andrew?rcs1000 said:
My understanding is that it's ok to sleep with the au pair, but not the nanny.northern_monkey said:Article in The Times: ‘We’re swapping a £40k nanny for a £10k au pair: preparing for the cost of living squeeze.’
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Top trolling. Triggered by the word "England"? There were a number of comments when it emerged.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.2 -
Correct. But being an au pair is still a very responsible job. It deserves to carry good pay and conditions, just like any safety/security position.DecrepiterJohnL said:
It's tough at the top. Though surely nannies are trained and au pairs are not.northern_monkey said:Article in The Times: ‘We’re swapping a £40k nanny for a £10k au pair: preparing for the cost of living squeeze.’
The consequences if an au pair fecks up big time can be horrific and life-changing. Both employer and employee need to approach the contract in a somber and serious manner. Quality costs. £10k sounds ridiculously low. Must be for 20 hours pw.0 -
Unfortunately quite a few of them involved doubting the veracity of Azeem Rafiq's testimony.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Top trolling. Triggered by the word "England"? There were a number of comments when it emerged.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.1 -
Wonder why they don't offer more attractive odds on Korea uniting in the next two years to look a little more serious. Say 100 to 1. They won't be paying it out.0
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PP like offering odds that garner publicity, usually on the over generous side. I suppose in a small way they've done it with this bet.FF43 said:Wonder why they don't offer more attractive odds on Korea uniting in the next two years to look a little more serious. Say 100 to 1. They won't be paying it out.
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The racism in cricket story was all over the media again a couple of days ago. Due to MPs no less threatening to withdraw millions in funding to the sport. Comments about that on PB? Zilch. Only cricket comment I saw was from DavidL (a lawyer) about the Ashes. Racism is clearly not a high priority around here.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Top trolling. Triggered by the word "England"? There were a number of comments when it emerged.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.0 -
This is the kind of Times/Telegraph article that really boils my piss. "We can only afford one skiing holiday this year"/ "We had to put little Jemima in a state school"/ "We can only afford to run our boiling water tap half the year" etc etc. Meanwhile there are kids going to school hungry or living six people in a one bed flat... Reminds me, must go and sharpen my pitchfork.northern_monkey said:Article in The Times: ‘We’re swapping a £40k nanny for a £10k au pair: preparing for the cost of living squeeze.’
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Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.Theuniondivvie said:
Unfortunately quite a few of them involved doubting the veracity of Azeem Rafiq's testimony.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Top trolling. Triggered by the word "England"? There were a number of comments when it emerged.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
Cf Boris Johnson: thousands of Conservatives did try to warn the party about the man’s character flaws. What happened? The party forced out the messengers and appointed the man sacked from several high profile jobs for mendacity.1 -
Indeed. Though the Guardian also runs the odd "first world problem" article from time to time.OnlyLivingBoy said:
This is the kind of Times/Telegraph article that really boils my piss. "We can only afford one skiing holiday this year"/ "We had to put little Jemima in a state school"/ "We can only afford to run our boiling water tap half the year" etc etc. Meanwhile there are kids going to school hungry or living six people in a one bed flat... Reminds me, must go and sharpen my pitchfork.northern_monkey said:Article in The Times: ‘We’re swapping a £40k nanny for a £10k au pair: preparing for the cost of living squeeze.’
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Suggestions that some of the lockdown parties may have taken place inside Johnson's no. 10 (11) flat? Perhaps this will be tomorrow's breaking news?0
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The whole point of sporting endeavour is to discuss the play, the players, and the results. It doesn't mean you are unconcerned about deep-rooted problems in the game. It also doesn't mean you are in favour of racial discrimination because you fail to talk about it all the time.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
What is Scottish cricket doing to investigate institutional racism in the game?2 -
I hope Boris did not spill wine on his new £250,000 sofa.IanB2 said:Suggestions that some of the lockdown parties may have taken place inside Johnson's no. 10 (11) flat? Perhaps this will be tomorrow's breaking news?
ETA maybe he spilled wine on the old sofa and then needed to replace it.0 -
Exactly. Classic marketing ploy: do something unusual and you’re all over the media in no time.Theuniondivvie said:
PP like offering odds that garner publicity, usually on the over generous side. I suppose in a small way they've done it with this bet.FF43 said:Wonder why they don't offer more attractive odds on Korea uniting in the next two years to look a little more serious. Say 100 to 1. They won't be paying it out.
At least the Paddy Power ploy was planned. Unlike that other “unusual” behaviour currently gathering attention, eg the “Minister for the Union” (sic) and the “Earl of Inverness” (sic).0 -
Are they Remain voters happily downing Costa lattes served by oppressed EU workers?northern_monkey said:Article in The Times: ‘We’re swapping a £40k nanny for a £10k au pair: preparing for the cost of living squeeze.’
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Excellent whataboutery.JohnLilburne said:
The whole point of sporting endeavour is to discuss the play, the players, and the results. It doesn't mean you are unconcerned about deep-rooted problems in the game. It also doesn't mean you are in favour of racial discrimination because you fail to talk about it all the time.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
What is Scottish cricket doing to investigate institutional racism in the game?0 -
John Churchill was a piece of work.SeaShantyIrish2 said:FPT - Perhaps the fine example of John Churchill, subsequently 1st Duke of Marlborough, may be instructive at the present juncture:
> When James II took the thrown, JC was his longtime supporter AND protege, and he took a major role in suppressing Monmouth's (premature) Rebellion.
> When the "Protestant Wind" carried William of Orange (husband of James's daughter Mary) over from Holland to England, JC took the field with King James to face the invader
> But JC was increasingly disturbed, both by James's overt, intensifying Catholic agenda AND by the King's growing, expanding unpopularity in England, if not (most) of Ireland
> So when it was clear that the bulk of establishment & public opinion was behind William, JC chose his moment . . . and galloped over to William's camp.
Where JC > Duke of Marlborough remained with considerable personal & professional success - to put it most mildly. Until that is his wife Sarah pissed off W's successor & sister in law Queen Anne BIG time.
But THAT's a whole other soap opera / Masterpiece Theater special.
Choosing the right moment to abandon ship for safer haven, is a skill developed to at least some extent by all successful politicos under just about any political system. Esp. true for top-to-mid level British parliamentarians.
I like the (somewhat true) story that the French had some incredible intelligence on the plans of the Allied armies. Except for JCs plans, strangely. The intelligence was always wrong about those.... Or not so strangely - since JC was (so they claim) selling the other generals plans. This gave JC another income stream, allowed him to manipulate the French plans and be the most successful general....
You are aware that this articles are designed, by experts, to boil your piss?OnlyLivingBoy said:
This is the kind of Times/Telegraph article that really boils my piss. "We can only afford one skiing holiday this year"/ "We had to put little Jemima in a state school"/ "We can only afford to run our boiling water tap half the year" etc etc. Meanwhile there are kids going to school hungry or living six people in a one bed flat... Reminds me, must go and sharpen my pitchfork.northern_monkey said:Article in The Times: ‘We’re swapping a £40k nanny for a £10k au pair: preparing for the cost of living squeeze.’
Much as the Daily Heil articles on immigrants are designed to boil the piss of another group?
Which in turn allows other papers to write articles about the Dail Heils articles about immigrants to boil the piss of another group....
Anger keeps the newspapers rolling.....0 -
So do you believe that it is OK for Scottish cricket to be racist, or do you just believe it doesn't exist? By your own argument your failure to talk about it means that you condone it.StuartDickson said:
Excellent whataboutery.JohnLilburne said:
The whole point of sporting endeavour is to discuss the play, the players, and the results. It doesn't mean you are unconcerned about deep-rooted problems in the game. It also doesn't mean you are in favour of racial discrimination because you fail to talk about it all the time.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
What is Scottish cricket doing to investigate institutional racism in the game?1 -
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.StuartDickson said:
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.Theuniondivvie said:
Unfortunately quite a few of them involved doubting the veracity of Azeem Rafiq's testimony.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Top trolling. Triggered by the word "England"? There were a number of comments when it emerged.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
Cf Boris Johnson: thousands of Conservatives did try to warn the party about the man’s character flaws. What happened? The party forced out the messengers and appointed the man sacked from several high profile jobs for mendacity.
It happens everywhere - seen it in France, Germany, Ireland, US, Canada....
In fact, the number of times that shooting the messenger isn't the offhand response of the Big Boss... hmm I'm trying to think.
I've tried introducing Just Culture in a few places. The reactions are interesting... "But if we don't have someone to lynch, how can we prove we are dealing with the issue?"1 -
Has the parish councillor (PC) published the latest Scottish sub-sample proving that the Conservatives are about to triumphantly gain Gordon from the SNP? Must have missed it.
SNP 53%
SCon 21%
SLD 10%
SLab 10%
Grn 3%
Ref 1%
oth 1%
(YouGov are the only pollster to routinely correctly weight geographical sub-samples; Fieldwork: 12th - 13th January 2022; Weighted sample = 145)
I’m sure HY will be along in a minute to hail this as a victory for the Union, again.0 -
Represents the view of about 30% of the electorate and one rather beleaguered poster on this site. I suppose the calculation for Tory MPs and party managers is whether he will transfer his enthusiasm to a n other Tory leader and whether that leader will be a net gain.rkrkrk said:In other news, my taxi driver to airport - big Boris Johnson fan. "Let him get on with the job". "I don't care about his work events". "Done a fantastic job". The works.
They exist out there. Nothing going to shake his faith, not that I tried.
And yes reader, he got a tip!0 -
Excellent whataboutery.Malmesbury said:
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.StuartDickson said:
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.Theuniondivvie said:
Unfortunately quite a few of them involved doubting the veracity of Azeem Rafiq's testimony.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Top trolling. Triggered by the word "England"? There were a number of comments when it emerged.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
Cf Boris Johnson: thousands of Conservatives did try to warn the party about the man’s character flaws. What happened? The party forced out the messengers and appointed the man sacked from several high profile jobs for mendacity.
It happens everywhere - seen it in France, Germany, Ireland, US, Canada....
In fact, the number of times that shooting the messenger isn't the offhand response of the Big Boss... hmm I'm trying to think.
I've tried introducing Just Culture in a few places. The reactions are interesting... "But if we don't have someone to lynch, how can we prove we are dealing with the issue?"0 -
Where did you see anything on institutional racism in Scottish cricket John. I must have missed that. Nice squirrel though.JohnLilburne said:
The whole point of sporting endeavour is to discuss the play, the players, and the results. It doesn't mean you are unconcerned about deep-rooted problems in the game. It also doesn't mean you are in favour of racial discrimination because you fail to talk about it all the time.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
What is Scottish cricket doing to investigate institutional racism in the game?0 -
The au pair system works by "paying" the au pair in free lodging, free food (family meals). If you have a house with a spare bedroom....StuartDickson said:
Correct. But being an au pair is still a very responsible job. It deserves to carry good pay and conditions, just like any safety/security position.DecrepiterJohnL said:
It's tough at the top. Though surely nannies are trained and au pairs are not.northern_monkey said:Article in The Times: ‘We’re swapping a £40k nanny for a £10k au pair: preparing for the cost of living squeeze.’
The consequences if an au pair fecks up big time can be horrific and life-changing. Both employer and employee need to approach the contract in a somber and serious manner. Quality costs. £10k sounds ridiculously low. Must be for 20 hours pw.
The 10K will be a combination of the pocket money they get per week and things like the cost of paying for the au pair to come on the family holidays....0 -
Why? Are you one of the mystery donors?DecrepiterJohnL said:
I hope Boris did not spill wine on his new £250,000 sofa.IanB2 said:Suggestions that some of the lockdown parties may have taken place inside Johnson's no. 10 (11) flat? Perhaps this will be tomorrow's breaking news?
ETA maybe he spilled wine on the old sofa and then needed to replace it.0 -
Good morning, everyone.
Mr. Malmesbury, reminds me of the foolish conduct of Tigranes the Great.0 -
Which of Johnson’s colleagues will be first to publicly withdraw support? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/15/which-of-johnsons-colleagues-will-be-first-to-break-cover-and-withdraw-support0
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When the MPs were threatening to withdraw money, they were talking about English cricket. Sport is devolved in Scotland, Wales and N Ireland. I’m not aware of their legislatures threatening to abandon the game.JohnLilburne said:
So do you believe that it is OK for Scottish cricket to be racist, or do you just believe it doesn't exist? By your own argument your failure to talk about it means that you condone it.StuartDickson said:
Excellent whataboutery.JohnLilburne said:
The whole point of sporting endeavour is to discuss the play, the players, and the results. It doesn't mean you are unconcerned about deep-rooted problems in the game. It also doesn't mean you are in favour of racial discrimination because you fail to talk about it all the time.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
What is Scottish cricket doing to investigate institutional racism in the game?0 -
That Slab figure does surprise me, even now. Scon, not quite so much - the bedrock British nationalists.StuartDickson said:Has the parish councillor (PC) published the latest Scottish sub-sample proving that the Conservatives are about to triumphantly gain Gordon from the SNP? Must have missed it.
SNP 53%
SCon 21%
SLD 10%
SLab 10%
Grn 3%
Ref 1%
oth 1%
(YouGov are the only pollster to routinely correctly weight geographical sub-samples; Fieldwork: 12th - 13th January 2022; Weighted sample = 145)
I’m sure HY will be along in a minute to hail this as a victory for the Union, again.
Would be rather different for Holyrood of course - a lot more Green, though whether that comes from SNP, Labour, SLD and/or all of them is a good question.
But subsamples.0 -
That's clearly anti-English racism. I might as well accuse the the Scots of being ungenerous with their money.StuartDickson said:
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.Theuniondivvie said:
Unfortunately quite a few of them involved doubting the veracity of Azeem Rafiq's testimony.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Top trolling. Triggered by the word "England"? There were a number of comments when it emerged.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
Cf Boris Johnson: thousands of Conservatives did try to warn the party about the man’s character flaws. What happened? The party forced out the messengers and appointed the man sacked from several high profile jobs for mendacity.
The SOP in the Civil Service is of course, find the most junior person involved and scapegoat them.1 -
I've worked in startups - where the rule seemed to be a beer or 2 (bottles) if you are working late (past 8pm) along with the free pizza/takeaway.IanB2 said:
That was then, though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I do not recall that, except for one time. But it was a feature of Yes, Minister that drinks were kept openly in the office. And of course the House of Commons has subsidised bars.darkage said:I found the discussion about drinking in the office yesterday interesting. I thought it was pretty normal to have drinks in the office in a social context in the evenings. Maybe however this is actually a London/big city thing, the exception not the rule.
https://www.parliament.uk/globalassets/documents/commons-catering/transparency/catering-services-opening-times-and-access---jul-2021.pdf
Many large companies nowadays have ‘no alcohol on duty’ rules, which includes a drink out at lunchtime as well as in the office.
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Anti English xenophobia, on the other handStuartDickson said:
The racism in cricket story was all over the media again a couple of days ago. Due to MPs no less threatening to withdraw millions in funding to the sport. Comments about that on PB? Zilch. Only cricket comment I saw was from DavidL (a lawyer) about the Ashes. Racism is clearly not a high priority around here.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Top trolling. Triggered by the word "England"? There were a number of comments when it emerged.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
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Govey is the only senior player likely to go in early on. Sunak, Truss and Hunt have too much to lose, May would feel like sour grapes. Gove is in last chance saloon for leadership anyway and could get convinced by Cummings that it is a good tactic to attack now.Scott_xP said:Which of Johnson’s colleagues will be first to publicly withdraw support? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/15/which-of-johnsons-colleagues-will-be-first-to-break-cover-and-withdraw-support
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That's SOP in badly run organisations. Large, small, public, private.JohnLilburne said:
That's clearly anti-English racism. I might as well accuse the the Scots of being ungenerous with their money.StuartDickson said:
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.Theuniondivvie said:
Unfortunately quite a few of them involved doubting the veracity of Azeem Rafiq's testimony.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Top trolling. Triggered by the word "England"? There were a number of comments when it emerged.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
Cf Boris Johnson: thousands of Conservatives did try to warn the party about the man’s character flaws. What happened? The party forced out the messengers and appointed the man sacked from several high profile jobs for mendacity.
The SOP in the Civil Service is of course, find the most junior person involved and scapegoat them.
To be accurate, they tend to scapegoat the most senior person *outside the magic circle* of Top People.0 -
It’s certainly nationalist stereotyping, no,different to Alan Partridge when he said all French people say ‘hoh-heh-ohh’ and his TV show from France had a man with a beret holding a baguette wearing a black and white hooped jumper.JohnLilburne said:
That's clearly anti-English racism. I might as well accuse the the Scots of being ungenerous with their money.StuartDickson said:
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.Theuniondivvie said:
Unfortunately quite a few of them involved doubting the veracity of Azeem Rafiq's testimony.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Top trolling. Triggered by the word "England"? There were a number of comments when it emerged.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
Cf Boris Johnson: thousands of Conservatives did try to warn the party about the man’s character flaws. What happened? The party forced out the messengers and appointed the man sacked from several high profile jobs for mendacity.
The SOP in the Civil Service is of course, find the most junior person involved and scapegoat them.
I doubt it’s out and out racism more xenophobic.0 -
This is literally what you have to do with a toddler. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/06aa6e6e-7569-11ec-89e9-22d3d9c31ba2?shareToken=f7d934c9fa008af1773d7498837955ae https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1482265531692503041/photo/10
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From that field, my money's on Mrs M!Scott_xP said:Which of Johnson’s colleagues will be first to publicly withdraw support? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/15/which-of-johnsons-colleagues-will-be-first-to-break-cover-and-withdraw-support
The others are walking a tightrope - no fingerprints on the knife, but nothing to suggest afterwards that they condoned the behaviour that will surely bring the clown down.0 -
Look at the two of you - a discussion specifically about English cricket and you assume that any criticism of English society is racism or xenophobia. The comment did not imply that any other nations are or are not different.Taz said:
It’s certainly nationalist stereotyping, no,different to Alan Partridge when he said all French people say ‘hoh-heh-ohh’ and his TV show from France had a man with a beret holding a baguette wearing a black and white hooped jumper.JohnLilburne said:
That's clearly anti-English racism. I might as well accuse the the Scots of being ungenerous with their money.StuartDickson said:
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.Theuniondivvie said:
Unfortunately quite a few of them involved doubting the veracity of Azeem Rafiq's testimony.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Top trolling. Triggered by the word "England"? There were a number of comments when it emerged.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
Cf Boris Johnson: thousands of Conservatives did try to warn the party about the man’s character flaws. What happened? The party forced out the messengers and appointed the man sacked from several high profile jobs for mendacity.
The SOP in the Civil Service is of course, find the most junior person involved and scapegoat them.
I doubt it’s out and out racism more xenophobic.0 -
Sunak hasn't provided any real support in the first place. "Johnson is right to apologise" is in the "so and so has much to be modest about" category.Scott_xP said:Which of Johnson’s colleagues will be first to publicly withdraw support? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/15/which-of-johnsons-colleagues-will-be-first-to-break-cover-and-withdraw-support
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I worked for three PMs in No 10.
“Boss, lockdown party. Drop in, say few words?”
TB: Bad, bad idea. Talk to JP/PM/AC. No.
GB: If I see hint of party I will kill you. Work on global vaccination. Get @POTUS on phone, now.
DC: WTF? Talk to Ed: you’ll be happy in Mongolia.
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I never said racism. 🥱Carnyx said:
Look at the two of you - a discussion specifically about English cricket and you assume that any criticism of English society is racism. The comment did not imply that any other nations are or are not different.Taz said:
It’s certainly nationalist stereotyping, no,different to Alan Partridge when he said all French people say ‘hoh-heh-ohh’ and his TV show from France had a man with a beret holding a baguette wearing a black and white hooped jumper.JohnLilburne said:
That's clearly anti-English racism. I might as well accuse the the Scots of being ungenerous with their money.StuartDickson said:
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.Theuniondivvie said:
Unfortunately quite a few of them involved doubting the veracity of Azeem Rafiq's testimony.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Top trolling. Triggered by the word "England"? There were a number of comments when it emerged.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
Cf Boris Johnson: thousands of Conservatives did try to warn the party about the man’s character flaws. What happened? The party forced out the messengers and appointed the man sacked from several high profile jobs for mendacity.
The SOP in the Civil Service is of course, find the most junior person involved and scapegoat them.
I doubt it’s out and out racism more xenophobic.0 -
Sorry; quite right; corrected. Apologies.Taz said:
I never said racism. 🥱Carnyx said:
Look at the two of you - a discussion specifically about English cricket and you assume that any criticism of English society is racism. The comment did not imply that any other nations are or are not different.Taz said:
It’s certainly nationalist stereotyping, no,different to Alan Partridge when he said all French people say ‘hoh-heh-ohh’ and his TV show from France had a man with a beret holding a baguette wearing a black and white hooped jumper.JohnLilburne said:
That's clearly anti-English racism. I might as well accuse the the Scots of being ungenerous with their money.StuartDickson said:
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.Theuniondivvie said:
Unfortunately quite a few of them involved doubting the veracity of Azeem Rafiq's testimony.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Top trolling. Triggered by the word "England"? There were a number of comments when it emerged.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
Cf Boris Johnson: thousands of Conservatives did try to warn the party about the man’s character flaws. What happened? The party forced out the messengers and appointed the man sacked from several high profile jobs for mendacity.
The SOP in the Civil Service is of course, find the most junior person involved and scapegoat them.
I doubt it’s out and out racism more xenophobic.1 -
Stuart England bashes habitually, in the same fashion as HYUFD parrots whatever the Tory leadership's line is this morning. It's just what they do.Taz said:
It’s certainly nationalist stereotyping, no,different to Alan Partridge when he said all French people say ‘hoh-heh-ohh’ and his TV show from France had a man with a beret holding a baguette wearing a black and white hooped jumper.JohnLilburne said:
That's clearly anti-English racism. I might as well accuse the the Scots of being ungenerous with their money.StuartDickson said:
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.Theuniondivvie said:
Unfortunately quite a few of them involved doubting the veracity of Azeem Rafiq's testimony.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Top trolling. Triggered by the word "England"? There were a number of comments when it emerged.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
Cf Boris Johnson: thousands of Conservatives did try to warn the party about the man’s character flaws. What happened? The party forced out the messengers and appointed the man sacked from several high profile jobs for mendacity.
The SOP in the Civil Service is of course, find the most junior person involved and scapegoat them.
I doubt it’s out and out racism more xenophobic.
Of course, given that we don't actually know either of these people, we have no idea how much of this is based on deep-rooted biases and how much is just done to provoke a response. A work colleague of mine once admitted that he sometimes went on social media, when bored, drunk or both, to join conversations full of very earnest far left types and troll them. It was done for (low quality) entertainment and to provoke a response.
I don't know if either the England bashing or the Tory shilling is done out of conviction or to get people to bite, but it tells us nothing useful regardless.1 -
I know it is not a political bet but the bet identified by Pip is not as bad as backing England to win this test patch.
As for worst political bet ever?
Publicity Shy Paddy Power once had a betting market on whether a porn video featuring Donald Trump would be released in his first term (offering only one side of the bet.)
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/09/14/porn-in-the-u-s-a/1 -
Appreciated. ThanksCarnyx said:
Sorry; quite right; corrected. Apologies.Taz said:
I never said racism. 🥱Carnyx said:
Look at the two of you - a discussion specifically about English cricket and you assume that any criticism of English society is racism. The comment did not imply that any other nations are or are not different.Taz said:
It’s certainly nationalist stereotyping, no,different to Alan Partridge when he said all French people say ‘hoh-heh-ohh’ and his TV show from France had a man with a beret holding a baguette wearing a black and white hooped jumper.JohnLilburne said:
That's clearly anti-English racism. I might as well accuse the the Scots of being ungenerous with their money.StuartDickson said:
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.Theuniondivvie said:
Unfortunately quite a few of them involved doubting the veracity of Azeem Rafiq's testimony.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Top trolling. Triggered by the word "England"? There were a number of comments when it emerged.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
Cf Boris Johnson: thousands of Conservatives did try to warn the party about the man’s character flaws. What happened? The party forced out the messengers and appointed the man sacked from several high profile jobs for mendacity.
The SOP in the Civil Service is of course, find the most junior person involved and scapegoat them.
I doubt it’s out and out racism more xenophobic.0 -
Just culture makes a huge difference to an organisation, once everyone stops trying to scapegoat those who admit mistakes. They way to prove they’re dealing with an issue, by refining processes and systems to prevent the same mistake happening again.Malmesbury said:
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.StuartDickson said:
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.Theuniondivvie said:
Unfortunately quite a few of them involved doubting the veracity of Azeem Rafiq's testimony.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Top trolling. Triggered by the word "England"? There were a number of comments when it emerged.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
Cf Boris Johnson: thousands of Conservatives did try to warn the party about the man’s character flaws. What happened? The party forced out the messengers and appointed the man sacked from several high profile jobs for mendacity.
It happens everywhere - seen it in France, Germany, Ireland, US, Canada....
In fact, the number of times that shooting the messenger isn't the offhand response of the Big Boss... hmm I'm trying to think.
I've tried introducing Just Culture in a few places. The reactions are interesting... "But if we don't have someone to lynch, how can we prove we are dealing with the issue?"
People don’t get fired for honest mistakes in high-performing industries such as F1 teams, airlines and nuclear power plants, which is why we see reducing numbers of accidents in these industries over time.1 -
Typically brilliant by @TomMcTague on the lord of chaos https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/01/boris-johnson-lockdown-party-apology/621234/ https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1482105830241677317/photo/10
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Very interesting from @PeterKellner1 pointing out that Boris Johnson's supposed "popularity" is largely mythical - his triumph in Dec 2019 election was based on the enormous unpopularity of Corbyn. Worth a read. https://twitter.com/PeterKellner1/status/14822698655955804161
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Currently on my way to Holy Island in Northumberland. I’ll bring you all back some mead.0
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@stodge @MoonRabbit
I am out today so have done horses based on a quick 5 minute look, good luck to you
Trixie
Earth Company 15:50 Kempton
Our Jet 12:27 Wetherby
Fransham 14:12 Wetherby
Single EW
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I'm somewhat amused that in the week we have Gray squirrelling away information about garden parties, we get the Red squirrel thrown out and it's Gardiner from the other party.1
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Have a nice time. There's quite a nice walk out past the castle and limekiln and widdershins northabout past the dunes and lake.Gallowgate said:Currently on my way to Holy Island in Northumberland. I’ll bring you all back some mead.
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Once upon a time ..... how long ago it seems now ..... I was part of a group trying to make sure that such a culture was to be found in the NHS.Sandpit said:
Just culture makes a huge difference to an organisation, once everyone stops trying to scapegoat those who admit mistakes. They way to prove they’re dealing with an issue, by refining processes and systems to prevent the same mistake happening again.Malmesbury said:
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.StuartDickson said:
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.Theuniondivvie said:
Unfortunately quite a few of them involved doubting the veracity of Azeem Rafiq's testimony.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Top trolling. Triggered by the word "England"? There were a number of comments when it emerged.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
Cf Boris Johnson: thousands of Conservatives did try to warn the party about the man’s character flaws. What happened? The party forced out the messengers and appointed the man sacked from several high profile jobs for mendacity.
It happens everywhere - seen it in France, Germany, Ireland, US, Canada....
In fact, the number of times that shooting the messenger isn't the offhand response of the Big Boss... hmm I'm trying to think.
I've tried introducing Just Culture in a few places. The reactions are interesting... "But if we don't have someone to lynch, how can we prove we are dealing with the issue?"
People don’t get fired for honest mistakes in high-performing industries such as F1 teams, airlines and nuclear power plants, which is why we see reducing numbers of accidents in these industries over time.
One of the questions I still haven't resolved in my own mind is, when an NHS Trust, or similar is 'fined', who pays? It's clearly not the people at the top who, generally speaking move on somewhere else.1 -
Tobias Ellwood says ‘We need leadership’ the PM must ‘lead or step aside’ - will be very interesting to see what younger generation of Tories, whether junior ministers or senior MPs like Ellwood do in the coming days
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/14822728297185525820 -
A better comparison [than Lloyd George's scandals], though, is Richard Nixon, a man of extraordinary political gifts—far more so than Johnson—laid low by a scandal that came to represent all of his character flaws, which everyone already knew about.Scott_xP said:Typically brilliant by @TomMcTague on the lord of chaos https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/01/boris-johnson-lockdown-party-apology/621234/ https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1482105830241677317/photo/1
Like Watergate, Partygate reveals the character traits that have long defined Johnson, but that, until the scandal, were seen as either irrelevant or even positive when dealing with Brexit. Now, applied to the pandemic, they are seen as disqualifying.
The great irony of Johnson is that he seems to understand his own weaknesses better than most politicians do, yet he remains unable to do anything about them, drawn like some giant blond moth to the flame of his own political undoing...it’s clear that Johnson was always aware that his lifelong quest to become prime minister would leave him and all his character flaws exposed for the world to see.
If humans are creatures of the imagination, as Johnson says [in a past interview], they do not let their leader off on some technicality when the basic truth is that he didn’t think the rules everybody else was following applied to him. Whether he likes it or not, Johnson is now the evil king in the great Partygate scandal. That story has been written. As such, he is now close to his end, for the sake of a national rebirth from this sordid tale of contempt.
Johnson can only hope that he survives long enough to eventually distract voters with a different story altogether. That won’t be easy.1 -
Years ago, on Holy Island, I had one of, if not the, tastiest crab sandwiches I've ever eaten.Carnyx said:
Have a nice time. There's quite a nice walk out past the castle and limekiln and widdershins northabout past the dunes and lake.Gallowgate said:Currently on my way to Holy Island in Northumberland. I’ll bring you all back some mead.
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The Earl of Inverness scandal spreads. Latest witnesses due to be contacted include the Duke of Rothesay, Sarah Ferguson and Princess Beatrice.0
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If you managed to get a bet with PP the other way around at those odds I imagine they'd email you to cancel the bet claiming manifest error or the like.1
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Was reflecting on the Tory leadership hustings in Perth in 2019 when party members loudly booed a woman (also a member) for asking Boris Johnson about character and if it was important to be a good husband and a father. [They knew what they were getting and they didn’t care] https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1482259312391168001/photo/1IanB2 said:Like Watergate, Partygate reveals the character traits that have long defined Johnson, but that, until the scandal, were seen as either irrelevant or even positive when dealing with Brexit. Now, applied to the pandemic, they are seen as disqualifying.
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"So far, so predictable. The interesting thing about this winter’s series of scrapes is that this time Boris Johnson isn’t getting away with it."
🚫 Boris Johnson isn't getting away with it this time - @adamboultonTABB:
https://reaction.life/boris-johnson-isnt-getting-away-with-it-this-time/1 -
In terms of worst bets possible, I've got a couple of quid on Robert Jenrick as next conservative leader.2
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Why?darkage said:In terms of worst bets possible, I've got a couple of quid on Robert Jenrick as next conservative leader.
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Hope those benefits are being declared to the Inland Revenue.Malmesbury said:
The au pair system works by "paying" the au pair in free lodging, free food (family meals). If you have a house with a spare bedroom....StuartDickson said:
Correct. But being an au pair is still a very responsible job. It deserves to carry good pay and conditions, just like any safety/security position.DecrepiterJohnL said:
It's tough at the top. Though surely nannies are trained and au pairs are not.northern_monkey said:Article in The Times: ‘We’re swapping a £40k nanny for a £10k au pair: preparing for the cost of living squeeze.’
The consequences if an au pair fecks up big time can be horrific and life-changing. Both employer and employee need to approach the contract in a somber and serious manner. Quality costs. £10k sounds ridiculously low. Must be for 20 hours pw.
The 10K will be a combination of the pocket money they get per week and things like the cost of paying for the au pair to come on the family holidays....0 -
Quite. One of the weirdest comments I've seen in a long time. I'm sure he's having a satisfied chuckle now but practically any post on any matter of culture or politics could be countered with 'well why aren't you talking about racism/sexism in X?'JohnLilburne said:
The whole point of sporting endeavour is to discuss the play, the players, and the results. It doesn't mean you are unconcerned about deep-rooted problems in the game. It also doesn't mean you are in favour of racial discrimination because you fail to talk about it all the time.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
Why are we ever discussing anything without simultaneously talking about ingrained social or racial issues surrounding that thing?1 -
It was about 350/1. He was a rising star once.OldKingCole said:
Why?darkage said:In terms of worst bets possible, I've got a couple of quid on Robert Jenrick as next conservative leader.
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Interestingly, the benefits in kind seem to be discounted for tax - but the Home Office might be the source of most of the actual hassle.StuartDickson said:
Hope those benefits are being declared to the Inland Revenue.Malmesbury said:
The au pair system works by "paying" the au pair in free lodging, free food (family meals). If you have a house with a spare bedroom....StuartDickson said:
Correct. But being an au pair is still a very responsible job. It deserves to carry good pay and conditions, just like any safety/security position.DecrepiterJohnL said:
It's tough at the top. Though surely nannies are trained and au pairs are not.northern_monkey said:Article in The Times: ‘We’re swapping a £40k nanny for a £10k au pair: preparing for the cost of living squeeze.’
The consequences if an au pair fecks up big time can be horrific and life-changing. Both employer and employee need to approach the contract in a somber and serious manner. Quality costs. £10k sounds ridiculously low. Must be for 20 hours pw.
The 10K will be a combination of the pocket money they get per week and things like the cost of paying for the au pair to come on the family holidays....
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I imagine that the public sector is about as far away from a just culture as it’s possible to get - although Mrs @Cyclefree will no doubt say that banks are the same - with everyone looking to their next move and plotting against their colleagues, mistakes resulting in punishment therefore more likely to be covered up until they become too serious, and the senior managers apparently not responsible for the culture, appearing in another similar job quickly even when they are fired for the most egregious offences.OldKingCole said:
Once upon a time ..... how long ago it seems now ..... I was part of a group trying to make sure that such a culture was to be found in the NHS.Sandpit said:
Just culture makes a huge difference to an organisation, once everyone stops trying to scapegoat those who admit mistakes. They way to prove they’re dealing with an issue, by refining processes and systems to prevent the same mistake happening again.Malmesbury said:
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.StuartDickson said:
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.Theuniondivvie said:
Unfortunately quite a few of them involved doubting the veracity of Azeem Rafiq's testimony.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Top trolling. Triggered by the word "England"? There were a number of comments when it emerged.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
Cf Boris Johnson: thousands of Conservatives did try to warn the party about the man’s character flaws. What happened? The party forced out the messengers and appointed the man sacked from several high profile jobs for mendacity.
It happens everywhere - seen it in France, Germany, Ireland, US, Canada....
In fact, the number of times that shooting the messenger isn't the offhand response of the Big Boss... hmm I'm trying to think.
I've tried introducing Just Culture in a few places. The reactions are interesting... "But if we don't have someone to lynch, how can we prove we are dealing with the issue?"
People don’t get fired for honest mistakes in high-performing industries such as F1 teams, airlines and nuclear power plants, which is why we see reducing numbers of accidents in these industries over time.
One of the questions I still haven't resolved in my own mind is, when an NHS Trust, or similar is 'fined', who pays? It's clearly not the people at the top who, generally speaking move on somewhere else.0 -
Duke of Albany surely? It's remarkable just how many evil dukes of Albany there have been. From the first one who usurped the throne, killed the first in line and attempted to kill the second in line. The one who tried to sell part of Scotland to England. The one who was a high ranking Nazi involved in the concentration camps. Now this one.StuartDickson said:The Earl of Inverness scandal spreads. Latest witnesses due to be contacted include the Duke of Rothesay, Sarah Ferguson and Princess Beatrice.
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If Paddy Power are offering 2/1 on a re-united Korea in the next two years, what are they offering on a united Ireland in the same timeframe?
Did that walk a few months back myself. And very nice indeed it was.Carnyx said:
Have a nice time. There's quite a nice walk out past the castle and limekiln and widdershins northabout past the dunes and lake.Gallowgate said:Currently on my way to Holy Island in Northumberland. I’ll bring you all back some mead.
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Speaking of which, I can't image any of those organisations being run with a shambolic pub-office culture like No 10.Sandpit said:
Just culture makes a huge difference to an organisation, once everyone stops trying to scapegoat those who admit mistakes. They way to prove they’re dealing with an issue, by refining processes and systems to prevent the same mistake happening again.Malmesbury said:
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.StuartDickson said:
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.Theuniondivvie said:
Unfortunately quite a few of them involved doubting the veracity of Azeem Rafiq's testimony.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Top trolling. Triggered by the word "England"? There were a number of comments when it emerged.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
Cf Boris Johnson: thousands of Conservatives did try to warn the party about the man’s character flaws. What happened? The party forced out the messengers and appointed the man sacked from several high profile jobs for mendacity.
It happens everywhere - seen it in France, Germany, Ireland, US, Canada....
In fact, the number of times that shooting the messenger isn't the offhand response of the Big Boss... hmm I'm trying to think.
I've tried introducing Just Culture in a few places. The reactions are interesting... "But if we don't have someone to lynch, how can we prove we are dealing with the issue?"
People don’t get fired for honest mistakes in high-performing industries such as F1 teams, airlines and nuclear power plants, which is why we see reducing numbers of accidents in these industries over time.0 -
Before Christmas I spotted a significant error by a highway authority on some work they had authorised, I got their managers to correct it before any harm was done. The person involved has nonetheless just been promoted!Sandpit said:
Just culture makes a huge difference to an organisation, once everyone stops trying to scapegoat those who admit mistakes. They way to prove they’re dealing with an issue, by refining processes and systems to prevent the same mistake happening again.Malmesbury said:
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.StuartDickson said:
Standard behaviour in English society: shoot the messenger.Theuniondivvie said:
Unfortunately quite a few of them involved doubting the veracity of Azeem Rafiq's testimony.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Top trolling. Triggered by the word "England"? There were a number of comments when it emerged.StuartDickson said:
Politics is not the only field capable of spotting squirrels.Andy_JS said:Disappointing from England again. Australia reaching 300.
Cricket fans should be more concerned by the culture of racism in the sport than how much a team lose a match.
PB posts recently about Ashes must number thousands
PB posts about racism in the sport… er…
Boris Johnson is jealous. If only his PB team were that effective.
Cf Boris Johnson: thousands of Conservatives did try to warn the party about the man’s character flaws. What happened? The party forced out the messengers and appointed the man sacked from several high profile jobs for mendacity.
It happens everywhere - seen it in France, Germany, Ireland, US, Canada....
In fact, the number of times that shooting the messenger isn't the offhand response of the Big Boss... hmm I'm trying to think.
I've tried introducing Just Culture in a few places. The reactions are interesting... "But if we don't have someone to lynch, how can we prove we are dealing with the issue?"
People don’t get fired for honest mistakes in high-performing industries such as F1 teams, airlines and nuclear power plants, which is why we see reducing numbers of accidents in these industries over time.1 -
5/1 on a Vote on Irish Unification to pass before Jan 1st 2030solarflare said:If Paddy Power are offering 2/1 on a re-united Korea in the next two years, what are they offering on a united Ireland in the same timeframe?
https://www.paddypower.com/politics/irish-politics3 -
Benpointer said:
Speaking of which, I can't image any of those organisations being run with a shambolic pub-office culture like No 10.
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The perils of chasing boasting rights on PB.darkage said:
It was about 350/1. He was a rising star once.OldKingCole said:
Why?darkage said:In terms of worst bets possible, I've got a couple of quid on Robert Jenrick as next conservative leader.
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