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Scott_xP said:

Something is afoot. https://twitter.com/andrewducker/status/1472594755498430466/photo/1

A special issue thanking Lord Frost for Brexit?

noneoftheabove said:

Scott_xP said:

Something is afoot. https://twitter.com/andrewducker/status/1472594755498430466/photo/1

A special issue thanking Lord Frost for Brexit?

Over Westland, Denis Healey famously said 'the Prime Minister's devious hand is afoot.'

Something similar here?

Cookie said:

This is a quite good critique of Neil Ferguson's 5000 deaths a day claim, though others like @Andy_Cooke may be able to see flaws that I cannot.
https://www.statsjamie.co.uk/5000deaths/

I read their paper as well.
On the one hand, as always, the media have grabbed the biggest and most pessimistic number.

On the other, I wasn't that impressed with the assumptions. Unless I missed something, they seem to be extrapolating from the decrease in neutralising antibody effectiveness straight to a comparable decrease in effectiveness against severe illness and death, which, from my layman's understanding of immunity including B-cell and T-cell response, is just incorrect.

It felt rushed to me, and I've mentally discounted that one (unlike the Warwick stuff I mentioned above). Of course, it could be motivated reasoning for me (because I would prefer the Warwick one to be true), but it also seems too much in violation of the indications we do have to date. And the indications we have had on T-cell performance retention against Omicron have been far too positive to be comparable to this paper.

It's a pity, because most of the previous ones have been excellent; I do think this one was possibly rushed and they scampered over the crucial one of efficacy against severe disease because they didn't have the information yet and incorrectly defaulted to a wrong assumption that damages the entire thing.

(We also seem to be on the most optimistic end of the efficacy of boosters against symptomatic illness, and the rate of rollout of boosters)

noneoftheabove said:

Scott_xP said:

Something is afoot. https://twitter.com/andrewducker/status/1472594755498430466/photo/1

A special issue thanking Lord Frost for Brexit?

That's dated the 17th - so it's probably just get boosted.

It can't be don't go out as that would mean the Government needs to give money to pubs and restaurants - best let people's personal fears stop them going there instead.

OldKingCole said:

Gallowgate said:

@Dura_Ace do you know of any half decent electric bikes/brands with a low/no top tube?

I’ve got a Lafree Giant like that. I want to sell it, if you’re interested

How do you get Apple TV, anyway?

There's a cynical part of me wondering if we could power up the Nightingales specifically for vaccine-refuseniks with covid, and staff them with NHS staff who've refused vaccination rather than fire them.

The problem is that:
- As I understand it, most of the NHS staff who've refused vaccines aren't at the sharp end, but more ancillary staff
- We'd need a lot more than the antivaxxer NHS staff to cope with the antivaxxers who've collided painfully with reality, even if they were all doctors and nurses.

Andy_Cooke said:

There's a cynical part of me wondering if we could power up the Nightingales specifically for vaccine-refuseniks with covid, and staff them with NHS staff who've refused vaccination rather than fire them.

The problem is that:
- As I understand it, most of the NHS staff who've refused vaccines aren't at the sharp end, but more ancillary staff
- We'd need a lot more than the antivaxxer NHS staff to cope with the antivaxxers who've collided painfully with reality, even if they were all doctors and nurses.

The issue as well is, the staff would get infected and then be off sick...

IanB2 said:

OldKingCole said:

Gallowgate said:

@Dura_Ace do you know of any half decent electric bikes/brands with a low/no top tube?

I’ve got a Lafree Giant like that. I want to sell it, if you’re interested

How do you get Apple TV, anyway?

Sequitur?

IanB2 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Scott_xP said:

Something is afoot. https://twitter.com/andrewducker/status/1472594755498430466/photo/1

A special issue thanking Lord Frost for Brexit?

The chatter on Twitter believes it is London Bridge. But DYOR.

Lord Frost promoted to King Frost?

eek said:

Tom Powdrill
@TomPowdrill
·
2m
Just one poll but fair to say champagne corks will be popping in Central Office.

Nothing to do with the poll. They’ll just be having another Xmas party.


thesun.co.uk
Silent Night is Britain’s favourite Christmas song, poll finds
SILENT NIGHT is the most magical Christmas carol, a poll has shown. The 1818 festive song — composed by Austrian teacher Franz Xaver Gruber — got a quarter of the vote. Research also found 81 per c…

That will go nicely with the other Christmas classic involving a Mr Gruber.

eek said:

Tom Powdrill
@TomPowdrill
·
2m
Just one poll but fair to say champagne corks will be popping in Central Office.

Nothing to do with the poll. They’ll just be having another Xmas party.


thesun.co.uk
Silent Night is Britain’s favourite Christmas song, poll finds
SILENT NIGHT is the most magical Christmas carol, a poll has shown. The 1818 festive song — composed by Austrian teacher Franz Xaver Gruber — got a quarter of the vote. Research also found 81 per c…

Just when I was thinking the public were idiots too...

eek said:

Tom Powdrill
@TomPowdrill
·
2m
Just one poll but fair to say champagne corks will be popping in Central Office.

Nothing to do with the poll. They’ll just be having another Xmas party.


thesun.co.uk
Silent Night is Britain’s favourite Christmas song, poll finds
SILENT NIGHT is the most magical Christmas carol, a poll has shown. The 1818 festive song — composed by Austrian teacher Franz Xaver Gruber — got a quarter of the vote. Research also found 81 per c…

Had to learn that for O Level GCE German. Luckily didn’t have sing it in the Oral exam!

Biden's flagship Bill going down?

Chameleon said:

IanB2 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Scott_xP said:

Something is afoot. https://twitter.com/andrewducker/status/1472594755498430466/photo/1

A special issue thanking Lord Frost for Brexit?

The chatter on Twitter believes it is London Bridge. But DYOR.

Get Boosted nOw I expect. Twatter has a 0-26 record (at best) when it comes to calling the queen's death.

They will get it right eventually....

IanB2 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Scott_xP said:

Something is afoot. https://twitter.com/andrewducker/status/1472594755498430466/photo/1

A special issue thanking Lord Frost for Brexit?

The chatter on Twitter believes it is London Bridge. But DYOR.

Wouldn't need a state sponsored wrap around for that. It's front page news either way. It's very likely to be some variation of get vaccinated with maybe some choice stats on unvaccinated people getting seriously ill compared to those who are.

rottenborough said:

Biden's flagship Bill going down?

Not exactly surprising Manchin isn't really a Democrat and it's ironic as West Virginia would be one of the places that really benefited.

Sadly the people benefiting are not the people who pay for Manchin's re-election costs

Andy_Cooke said:

There's a cynical part of me wondering if we could power up the Nightingales specifically for vaccine-refuseniks with covid, and staff them with NHS staff who've refused vaccination rather than fire them.

The problem is that:
- As I understand it, most of the NHS staff who've refused vaccines aren't at the sharp end, but more ancillary staff
- We'd need a lot more than the antivaxxer NHS staff to cope with the antivaxxers who've collided painfully with reality, even if they were all doctors and nurses.

Good idea.

As to the problems you've identified the vaccinated will not care.

And they're about 95% of voters.

The anti-vaxxers have had a year to make their beds instead they chose to shat in them. Now they can lay in them.

Something to think about

If we merge to 0-39 age groups to together...



This is why the hospitalisations in London have been rising, but not rocketing out of sight

TOPPING said:

Charles said:

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

kyf_100 said:

MrEd said:

@kyf_100 ’s very powerful testimony shows how much damage on mental health is being inflicted. For all the talk about mental health being a priority, it’s clear it is low down on the list of priorities.

My best to @kyf_100

Also, I’m sick of middle class public sector professionals with a guaranteed wage and guaranteed pension telling everyone else that they have to sacrifice. Maybe they can show the courage of their convictions by offering to voluntarily give up a percentage of their very generous pension donations with the cash being used to support those suffering disproportionately from the crisis.

Heh, thanks. I'm much better now, thanks to good friends and several months of near-normality, though the thought we are heading into yet another two or three months minimum of the same bleakness fills me with utter terror. I don't want to slide back down into that dark, dark place again. Because next time I'm not sure I'll get out again.

We were told if we got the jabs, it would end. Then we were told if we got the booster, it would end. Now... when does it end?

Great question. When does it end. As asked by Beth Rigby at that first BoJo news conference.

And of course I wish you all the very best.

I have been vocally anti lockdown since almost the beginning (not as much as @contrarian ) not because of the medical outcome it achieves. No shit you make it illegal to meet people and the number of infectious diseases plummets.

But because of the precedent. Cock up or conspiracy we are now in a place where lockdowns are a common tool of government.

All those "I was then I'm not now" PBers should hang their heads in shame because this was the obvious end point.

But this is plainly ridiculous. By your logic no one should ever support any lockdowns because they might become more acceptable and frequent

That’s like saying you should never go to hospital otherwise it will become a habit

Bizarre

I'm not 100% sure anyone should ever support any lockdown.

What possible reason could there be to have a legal mandate about who you are allowed to have in your home.

You and The Francester are frankly doing more damage to yourselves than you realise with all your constant crappy posts.

Of course when faced with it, as many have, you lash out. And that's fine. But for you two, PB is a super unhealthy place but of course caveat emptor go for your lives. And let's have a funny charge that I am terrified and projecting and blah blah blah.

But you know it's true.

You’re projecting again

LOL touché.

But seriously. I know that you need a febrile atmosphere to produce your best-knapped flints but not everyone is as robust as you are, as many on PB have told us. Be careful how you wield your undoubted gifts on here.

I think you are unfair to the “not now, but then” group.

Lockdowns had a role. To buy time until vaccines. Which they did. They made it possible to have a normal life with an endemic disease.

So I am proud to be in the “lockdown then but not now” camp

As I said of course they were effective. But as a policy tool they were and are beyond the pale.

That’s a value statement, though. The public health situation necessitated extreme action. Unfortunately politicians don’t have the strength of character to resist

BTW… “beyond the pale” is on the banned list these day as quasi-racist…

ydoethur said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Cabinet Office Minister Steve Barclay will chair a meeting between the government's emergency committee, Cobra, and the leaders of the devolved nations at 17:00 GMT.

Where is PM Peppa Pig?

Is that a calculated insult or does it show that they don't expect anything useful to come of the meeting?

Or both?

Charles said:

TOPPING said:

Charles said:

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

kyf_100 said:

MrEd said:

@kyf_100 ’s very powerful testimony shows how much damage on mental health is being inflicted. For all the talk about mental health being a priority, it’s clear it is low down on the list of priorities.

My best to @kyf_100

Also, I’m sick of middle class public sector professionals with a guaranteed wage and guaranteed pension telling everyone else that they have to sacrifice. Maybe they can show the courage of their convictions by offering to voluntarily give up a percentage of their very generous pension donations with the cash being used to support those suffering disproportionately from the crisis.

Heh, thanks. I'm much better now, thanks to good friends and several months of near-normality, though the thought we are heading into yet another two or three months minimum of the same bleakness fills me with utter terror. I don't want to slide back down into that dark, dark place again. Because next time I'm not sure I'll get out again.

We were told if we got the jabs, it would end. Then we were told if we got the booster, it would end. Now... when does it end?

Great question. When does it end. As asked by Beth Rigby at that first BoJo news conference.

And of course I wish you all the very best.

I have been vocally anti lockdown since almost the beginning (not as much as @contrarian ) not because of the medical outcome it achieves. No shit you make it illegal to meet people and the number of infectious diseases plummets.

But because of the precedent. Cock up or conspiracy we are now in a place where lockdowns are a common tool of government.

All those "I was then I'm not now" PBers should hang their heads in shame because this was the obvious end point.

But this is plainly ridiculous. By your logic no one should ever support any lockdowns because they might become more acceptable and frequent

That’s like saying you should never go to hospital otherwise it will become a habit

Bizarre

I'm not 100% sure anyone should ever support any lockdown.

What possible reason could there be to have a legal mandate about who you are allowed to have in your home.

You and The Francester are frankly doing more damage to yourselves than you realise with all your constant crappy posts.

Of course when faced with it, as many have, you lash out. And that's fine. But for you two, PB is a super unhealthy place but of course caveat emptor go for your lives. And let's have a funny charge that I am terrified and projecting and blah blah blah.

But you know it's true.

You’re projecting again

LOL touché.

But seriously. I know that you need a febrile atmosphere to produce your best-knapped flints but not everyone is as robust as you are, as many on PB have told us. Be careful how you wield your undoubted gifts on here.

I think you are unfair to the “not now, but then” group.

Lockdowns had a role. To buy time until vaccines. Which they did. They made it possible to have a normal life with an endemic disease.

So I am proud to be in the “lockdown then but not now” camp

As I said of course they were effective. But as a policy tool they were and are beyond the pale.

That’s a value statement, though. The public health situation necessitated extreme action. Unfortunately politicians don’t have the strength of character to resist

BTW… “beyond the pale” is on the banned list these day as quasi-racist…

Is BTP an Irish thing? I thought it just meant beyond Norman settlement. or is there some other thing?

RochdalePioneers said:

another_richard said:

I see that Morrisons are selling pork fillets at £6/kg.

Weren't we promised a shortage of pork because all the pigs were going to be culled.

Meanwhile there are mounds of British carrots being flogged at 19p/kg.

Ditto British parsnips, cabbages, swede and doubtless others things we were told had rotted in the fields.

You do understand what all those cancelled Christmas dinners means don't you?

Absolute fucktons of large packs of everything to flood the market. Again.

Yet the same thing happens every year.

Predictions of shortages followed by a glut at Christmas.

And we're still waiting for the pasta shortage which you predicted.

Or are you claiming now that the pasta in the supermarket comes from cancelled Christmas dinners.

IanB2 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Scott_xP said:

Something is afoot. https://twitter.com/andrewducker/status/1472594755498430466/photo/1

A special issue thanking Lord Frost for Brexit?

The chatter on Twitter believes it is London Bridge. But DYOR.

Seems unlikely, unless the Queen's death is a planned event

How many ways can Spurs not score?

another_richard said:

RochdalePioneers said:

another_richard said:

I see that Morrisons are selling pork fillets at £6/kg.

Weren't we promised a shortage of pork because all the pigs were going to be culled.

Meanwhile there are mounds of British carrots being flogged at 19p/kg.

Ditto British parsnips, cabbages, swede and doubtless others things we were told had rotted in the fields.

You do understand what all those cancelled Christmas dinners means don't you?

Absolute fucktons of large packs of everything to flood the market. Again.

Yet the same thing happens every year.

Predictions of shortages followed by a glut at Christmas.

And we're still waiting for the pasta shortage which you predicted.

Or are you claiming now that the pasta in the supermarket comes from cancelled Christmas dinners.

The turkeys are fed with the leftovers from the spaghetti harvest.

So, when there was a shortage of people to slaughter turkeys, and they reduced the number of turkeys, there was an increase in spaghetti going spare.

Hence, turkey shortage = pasta surplus

Aslan said:

Carnyx said:

Charles said:

TOPPING said:

Charles said:

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

kyf_100 said:

MrEd said:

@kyf_100 ’s very powerful testimony shows how much damage on mental health is being inflicted. For all the talk about mental health being a priority, it’s clear it is low down on the list of priorities.

My best to @kyf_100

Also, I’m sick of middle class public sector professionals with a guaranteed wage and guaranteed pension telling everyone else that they have to sacrifice. Maybe they can show the courage of their convictions by offering to voluntarily give up a percentage of their very generous pension donations with the cash being used to support those suffering disproportionately from the crisis.

Heh, thanks. I'm much better now, thanks to good friends and several months of near-normality, though the thought we are heading into yet another two or three months minimum of the same bleakness fills me with utter terror. I don't want to slide back down into that dark, dark place again. Because next time I'm not sure I'll get out again.

We were told if we got the jabs, it would end. Then we were told if we got the booster, it would end. Now... when does it end?

Great question. When does it end. As asked by Beth Rigby at that first BoJo news conference.

And of course I wish you all the very best.

I have been vocally anti lockdown since almost the beginning (not as much as @contrarian ) not because of the medical outcome it achieves. No shit you make it illegal to meet people and the number of infectious diseases plummets.

But because of the precedent. Cock up or conspiracy we are now in a place where lockdowns are a common tool of government.

All those "I was then I'm not now" PBers should hang their heads in shame because this was the obvious end point.

But this is plainly ridiculous. By your logic no one should ever support any lockdowns because they might become more acceptable and frequent

That’s like saying you should never go to hospital otherwise it will become a habit

Bizarre

I'm not 100% sure anyone should ever support any lockdown.

What possible reason could there be to have a legal mandate about who you are allowed to have in your home.

You and The Francester are frankly doing more damage to yourselves than you realise with all your constant crappy posts.

Of course when faced with it, as many have, you lash out. And that's fine. But for you two, PB is a super unhealthy place but of course caveat emptor go for your lives. And let's have a funny charge that I am terrified and projecting and blah blah blah.

But you know it's true.

You’re projecting again

LOL touché.

But seriously. I know that you need a febrile atmosphere to produce your best-knapped flints but not everyone is as robust as you are, as many on PB have told us. Be careful how you wield your undoubted gifts on here.

I think you are unfair to the “not now, but then” group.

Lockdowns had a role. To buy time until vaccines. Which they did. They made it possible to have a normal life with an endemic disease.

So I am proud to be in the “lockdown then but not now” camp

As I said of course they were effective. But as a policy tool they were and are beyond the pale.

That’s a value statement, though. The public health situation necessitated extreme action. Unfortunately politicians don’t have the strength of character to resist

BTW… “beyond the pale” is on the banned list these day as quasi-racist…

Is BTP an Irish thing? I thought it just meant beyond Norman settlement. or is there some other thing?

It means beyond the border of centralized government in the Pale, into areas of clan rule.

The idea that it should be banned is ridiculous. Should we stop saying "to be frank" too? The Irish are wealthier than we are. It is about time they got over their historical chippiness regarding stuff long past living memory.

IIRC some people in Ireland use it a short hand for the "Dublin and the rich barstewards near there". Sort of like "Home Counties" in England, but with a hard negative edge to it.

pigeon said:

tlg86 said:

Alistair said:

Moderna booster is fucking me up a bit.

Nothing like the first AZ dose but I'm pretty useless today.

I've just had the Moderna booster. I'm expecting a rough 24-48 hours.

It's funny how this mucks some people up and leaves others well alone. No side effects at all from either of my AZ's, and the Moderna caused a very slight sore arm for about two days. Apart from that, fine.

Prior infection + any vaccine
2x MRNA
3x MRNA

Cause side effects. Other combos not so much

Liz Truss replaces Lord Frost as lead negotiatior with the EU on the NIP

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1472628149829648385?s=20

rcs1000 said:

Has anyone mentioned the "in hospital" number in Guateng today?

The Health Ministry announced that there are currently 2,747 people in hospital in the province with CV19. That is down from 3,274 yesterday.

Now, I'm sure there's a weekend effect... BUT... that's not a small drop. That's a 16% fall in the number of people in hospital with CV19. At the very least, that suggests lots of people are getting released from hospital.

(Some of you will say 'backfill of data still to come', and that's very true. But I'm using 'day of' releases. So if there is an effect, it's highly unlikely to be a big directional one.)

Come on Robert. It’s irrelevant what’s happening in South Africa. Chris Witty said so on the telly.

Richardr said:

Charles said:

BTW… “beyond the pale” is on the banned list these day as quasi-racist…

By who?

Pale people?

HYUFD said:

Liz Truss replaces Lord Frost as lead negotiatior with the EU on the NIP

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1472628149829648385?s=20

Hospital pass to a potential successor.
Crafty.

IshmaelZ said:

FF43 said:

IanB2 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Scott_xP said:

Something is afoot. https://twitter.com/andrewducker/status/1472594755498430466/photo/1

A special issue thanking Lord Frost for Brexit?

The chatter on Twitter believes it is London Bridge. But DYOR.

Seems unlikely, unless the Queen's death is a planned event

Have you read The Golden Bough?

Solstice on Tuesday. Just saying.

Politics for all says that as Max suggested the wraparound is to encourage people to get jabbed.

dixiedean said:

HYUFD said:

Liz Truss replaces Lord Frost as lead negotiatior with the EU on the NIP

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1472628149829648385?s=20

Hospital pass to a potential successor.
Crafty.

He must have got the idea from the papers….

rcs1000 said:

Has anyone mentioned the "in hospital" number in Guateng today?

The Health Ministry announced that there are currently 2,747 people in hospital in the province with CV19. That is down from 3,274 yesterday.

Now, I'm sure there's a weekend effect... BUT... that's not a small drop. That's a 16% fall in the number of people in hospital with CV19. At the very least, that suggests lots of people are getting released from hospital.

(Some of you will say 'backfill of data still to come', and that's very true. But I'm using 'day of' releases. So if there is an effect, it's highly unlikely to be a big directional one.)

That is good news its what we would expect given cases in the province started falling 5 days ago, (yesterday IIRC a 44% reduction in the number of cases compared to same day last week)

Acknowledging the caveats you mention, we should be at anybody who is calling for a lockdown. and for what its worth My money is on the Dutch cutting there 4 week lockdown early and admitting it was not necessary.

FF43 said:

IanB2 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Scott_xP said:

Something is afoot. https://twitter.com/andrewducker/status/1472594755498430466/photo/1

A special issue thanking Lord Frost for Brexit?

The chatter on Twitter believes it is London Bridge. But DYOR.

Seems unlikely, unless the Queen's death is a planned event

I would expect that the powers that be would try to get it to run such that the Royal family and the government get at least 12 hours lead time on the general public knowing. So not out of the question that this is how operation London Bridge would run.
However, my expectation is that it's encouraging people to get vaxxed.

another_richard said:

RochdalePioneers said:

another_richard said:

I see that Morrisons are selling pork fillets at £6/kg.

Weren't we promised a shortage of pork because all the pigs were going to be culled.

Meanwhile there are mounds of British carrots being flogged at 19p/kg.

Ditto British parsnips, cabbages, swede and doubtless others things we were told had rotted in the fields.

You do understand what all those cancelled Christmas dinners means don't you?

Absolute fucktons of large packs of everything to flood the market. Again.

Yet the same thing happens every year.

Predictions of shortages followed by a glut at Christmas.

And we're still waiting for the pasta shortage which you predicted.

Or are you claiming now that the pasta in the supermarket comes from cancelled Christmas dinners.

"the same thing happens every year" - we're talking about mass cancellation of people eating out and the surplus of big size catering packs. That does not happen every year.

Pasta? A bad harvest in Canada put shortages / price hikes into play. As I know you are both a Brexit foamer and trying to make out that I am trying everything to Brexit, this one had sod all to do with it.

Cookie said:

IshmaelZ said:

FF43 said:

IanB2 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Scott_xP said:

Something is afoot. https://twitter.com/andrewducker/status/1472594755498430466/photo/1

A special issue thanking Lord Frost for Brexit?

The chatter on Twitter believes it is London Bridge. But DYOR.

Seems unlikely, unless the Queen's death is a planned event

Have you read The Golden Bough?

Solstice on Tuesday. Just saying.

Politics for all says that as Max suggested the wraparound is to encourage people to get jabbed.

The people who still buy papers are generally older and vaccinated. The people who aren’t vaccinated probably don’t buy papers. So a waste of time and money.

IshmaelZ said:

another_richard said:

RochdalePioneers said:

another_richard said:

I see that Morrisons are selling pork fillets at £6/kg.

Weren't we promised a shortage of pork because all the pigs were going to be culled.

Meanwhile there are mounds of British carrots being flogged at 19p/kg.

Ditto British parsnips, cabbages, swede and doubtless others things we were told had rotted in the fields.

You do understand what all those cancelled Christmas dinners means don't you?

Absolute fucktons of large packs of everything to flood the market. Again.

Yet the same thing happens every year.

Predictions of shortages followed by a glut at Christmas.

And we're still waiting for the pasta shortage which you predicted.

Or are you claiming now that the pasta in the supermarket comes from cancelled Christmas dinners.

Every year since when?

Is the demand side of economics a complete fallacy?

Have you been looking forward all year to this attack on @RochdalePioneers and now omicron has spoilt it but you've thought Fuck it, let's plough on anyway, can't wait till Christmas 2022?

Hardly an attack. More a petulant strop from someone who doesn't even know what the accusation is they are making. WTF would forecasted pasta shortages caused by a horrendous harvest in Canada have to do with truck drivers?

RochdalePioneers said:

IshmaelZ said:

another_richard said:

RochdalePioneers said:

another_richard said:

I see that Morrisons are selling pork fillets at £6/kg.

Weren't we promised a shortage of pork because all the pigs were going to be culled.

Meanwhile there are mounds of British carrots being flogged at 19p/kg.

Ditto British parsnips, cabbages, swede and doubtless others things we were told had rotted in the fields.

You do understand what all those cancelled Christmas dinners means don't you?

Absolute fucktons of large packs of everything to flood the market. Again.

Yet the same thing happens every year.

Predictions of shortages followed by a glut at Christmas.

And we're still waiting for the pasta shortage which you predicted.

Or are you claiming now that the pasta in the supermarket comes from cancelled Christmas dinners.

Every year since when?

Is the demand side of economics a complete fallacy?

Have you been looking forward all year to this attack on @RochdalePioneers and now omicron has spoilt it but you've thought Fuck it, let's plough on anyway, can't wait till Christmas 2022?

Hardly an attack. More a petulant strop from someone who doesn't even know what the accusation is they are making. WTF would forecasted pasta shortages caused by a horrendous harvest in Canada have to do with truck drivers?

It comes as news to me that they even grow spaghetti in Canada.

bigjohnowls said:

Re food shortages I now have far too many Pigs in Blankets.

What the hell was I thinking!

You are in Westminster?

Leon said:

Fpt for max


I have those people in my friendship group - and in my family

They chortle away about “extra Ocado deliveries of Prosecco”, and building a fucking pizza oven in the garden for their sneaky parties, then they say “lockdown isn’t all bad” as if they’ve really considered how it impacts the other 50%+ of the country

PB is also bad for this. It skews to the old, affluent and introverted. Lockdown is PERFECT for them. So they chortle away

I wonder this time if young people will simply rebel. I would if I was 21 or 24. If you’re that age you’re seeing some of the greatest, most important years of your life being trashed, one after another. Instead of giddy young life you get a jail sentence.

Fuck that shit

I had you in the former group but nice that you think about the youngsters.

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I see that Morrisons are selling pork fillets at £6/kg.

Weren't we promised a shortage of pork because all the pigs were going to be culled.

Meanwhile there are mounds of British carrots being flogged at 19p/kg.

Ditto British parsnips, cabbages, swede and doubtless others things we were told had rotted in the fields.

You do understand what all those cancelled Christmas dinners means don't you?

Absolute fucktons of large packs of everything to flood the market. Again.

Yet the same thing happens every year.

Predictions of shortages followed by a glut at Christmas.

And we're still waiting for the pasta shortage which you predicted.

Or are you claiming now that the pasta in the supermarket comes from cancelled Christmas dinners.

Every year since when?

Is the demand side of economics a complete fallacy?

Have you been looking forward all year to this attack on @RochdalePioneers and now omicron has spoilt it but you've thought Fuck it, let's plough on anyway, can't wait till Christmas 2022?

Hardly an attack. More a petulant strop from someone who doesn't even know what the accusation is they are making. WTF would forecasted pasta shortages caused by a horrendous harvest in Canada have to do with truck drivers?

It comes as news to me that they even grow spaghetti in Canada.

Spaghetti no. Wheat yes...

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kyf_100 said:

MrEd said:

@kyf_100 ’s very powerful testimony shows how much damage on mental health is being inflicted. For all the talk about mental health being a priority, it’s clear it is low down on the list of priorities.

My best to @kyf_100

Also, I’m sick of middle class public sector professionals with a guaranteed wage and guaranteed pension telling everyone else that they have to sacrifice. Maybe they can show the courage of their convictions by offering to voluntarily give up a percentage of their very generous pension donations with the cash being used to support those suffering disproportionately from the crisis.

Heh, thanks. I'm much better now, thanks to good friends and several months of near-normality, though the thought we are heading into yet another two or three months minimum of the same bleakness fills me with utter terror. I don't want to slide back down into that dark, dark place again. Because next time I'm not sure I'll get out again.

We were told if we got the jabs, it would end. Then we were told if we got the booster, it would end. Now... when does it end?

Great question. When does it end. As asked by Beth Rigby at that first BoJo news conference.

And of course I wish you all the very best.

I have been vocally anti lockdown since almost the beginning (not as much as @contrarian ) not because of the medical outcome it achieves. No shit you make it illegal to meet people and the number of infectious diseases plummets.

But because of the precedent. Cock up or conspiracy we are now in a place where lockdowns are a common tool of government.

All those "I was then I'm not now" PBers should hang their heads in shame because this was the obvious end point.

But this is plainly ridiculous. By your logic no one should ever support any lockdowns because they might become more acceptable and frequent

That’s like saying you should never go to hospital otherwise it will become a habit

Bizarre

I'm not 100% sure anyone should ever support any lockdown.

What possible reason could there be to have a legal mandate about who you are allowed to have in your home.

You and The Francester are frankly doing more damage to yourselves than you realise with all your constant crappy posts.

Of course when faced with it, as many have, you lash out. And that's fine. But for you two, PB is a super unhealthy place but of course caveat emptor go for your lives. And let's have a funny charge that I am terrified and projecting and blah blah blah.

But you know it's true.

You’re projecting again

LOL touché.

But seriously. I know that you need a febrile atmosphere to produce your best-knapped flints but not everyone is as robust as you are, as many on PB have told us. Be careful how you wield your undoubted gifts on here.

I think you are unfair to the “not now, but then” group.

Lockdowns had a role. To buy time until vaccines. Which they did. They made it possible to have a normal life with an endemic disease.

So I am proud to be in the “lockdown then but not now” camp

As I said of course they were effective. But as a policy tool they were and are beyond the pale.

That’s a value statement, though. The public health situation necessitated extreme action. Unfortunately politicians don’t have the strength of character to resist

BTW… “beyond the pale” is on the banned list these day as quasi-racist…

That is well beyond the pale, f**ing PC halfwitted cretins don't even know the meaning behind it , pathetic.