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  • DougSeal said:

    Funny to think that if Owen Paterson had just taken a 30 day suspension on the chin he'd be (nearly) back in the Commons by now.

    And with a place in the Lords to come in 2024.

    He really studied the costs and benefits of deciding to go all in :lol:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,038

    Macron is a classic of the French Establishment who marketed himself as the polite kind of populist. One would would be acceptable in the fashionable salons as well as the local corner bar. He turned out to be popular in neither.

    He rather reminds me of Blair. Only lesser.
    Macron is more Clegg in policy, Blair in personality
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180

    Michael Masi and the stewards are awesome.

    Another example of Max trying to push a car he was overtaking off the track and preventing them from taking the corner. But Lewis is a very lucky boy. I am with Brundle on this one.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,820
    Max only made the corner by using Lewis' car as a barrier.
  • MaxPB said:

    Max only made the corner by using Lewis' car as a barrier.

    Indeed.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    MaxPB said:

    Max only made the corner by using Lewis' car as a barrier.

    That is true but it could have been read very differently.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,359
    Tat was a bit of a lunge by Max; but he did keep it within the white lines.

    Aggressive but fair by Max. As for no penalty: there's a long history of first-lap going off the circuit not being penalised. And it was a lunge.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,820

    Indeed.
    And the stewards absolutely agree, they think Max wouldn't have made the corner otherwise.
  • Some baby whining going on the radios....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536
    It would be very surprising if Hamilton loses from here, but it would be even more surprising if Red Bull don't sue after the race given what they're saying.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,820
    DavidL said:

    That is true but it could have been read very differently.
    But that's why he's not been asked to give the position back, Lewis only went off track to avoid the collision. A collision that would hand Max the title.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Carry on in this vein and you'll end up like me - pedantically pointing out facts!

    And that would never do in an era when "feelings" and "perception" no matter how daft are the only things that count.
    Perception has always mattered.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,564
    MaxPB said:

    Max only made the corner by using Lewis' car as a barrier.

    Whether that's quite true or not, there was contact and so the corner cut can be seen in the light as evasion or car control in response to that contact.

    Again, whether or not that is the truth of Hamilton's driving, the contact gave him legitimate excuse to cut the corner and to retain the position prior to a failed move.

    But IANAF1L.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651

    Why does everyone assume that the TV picture shown is actually on the leaker's wall?

    If I was the leaker I would photoshop my TV picture onto a photo of someone else's wall and then obscure something in the picture to give it veracity.

    How many politicians have 3 world clocks on their mantelpiece?
    The more it is photoshopped the greater the risk for the newspaper publishing it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,296
    HYUFD said:

    Enoch Powell was also honest, same with Tony Benn, those on the political extremes often are as they never compromise
    I am not sure in Powell's case honest shouldn't be substituted for sociopathic. He was "truthful" because he had absolutely no understanding of anyone's view or sensibilities but for his own. To a lesser extent that would also sum up Benn. Both were idealogues, The theorising, bookish Benn personified middle class Marxist wokery to a far greater extent than the rest of us who are castigated for our middle class liberal wokery.

    Both deserve to be irrelevant and no more than footnotes in twentieth century British politics.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,820
    Pro_Rata said:

    Whether that's quite true or not, there was contact and so the corner cut can be seen in the light as evasion or car control in response to that contact.

    Again, whether or not that is the truth of Hamilton's driving, the contact gave him legitimate excuse to cut the corner and to retain the position prior to a failed move.

    But IANAF1L.
    Yup, without that contact Lewis would have had to yield the position but Max can't overtake without those shite aggressive moves that force others off the track.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,359
    Mercedes will be glad that they're saying bye-bye to Bottas.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,629
    edited December 2021

    There was a Peculiar People chapel not too far from where I lived as a boy. And in later life, as an election agent, I used to have to deal with an election official who was a PP deacon. Nice chap; honest and cheerful.
    Checking, they peaked at about 40 chapels, and were a quiet near-fundamentalist protestant sect who had some distinctives such as many being conscientious objectors - very much a "quiet of the land" sort of tradition afaics, I expect similar to Primitive Baptist / Methodist. Perhaps Calvinist and "Hymns of Redemption".

    The kind of adherence to their own values that would be willing to be imprisoned rather than compromise.

    They are now called the Union of Evangelical Churches.



    For a similar peculiar sociology in a more catholic tradition, see the Catholic Apostolic Church ("Irvingites"), whose most prominent church building is now the Church of Christ the King, Gordon Square, Bloomsbury, London.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,480
    edited December 2021
    That million cases figure that Javid quoted in the HoC, which we thought was probably the number infected at any one time, but no it was actually referring to one million infections PER DAY....See Fig 11 in the following link

    UKHSA call this modelling. It is not. Modelling requires some realistic assumptions. This is simplistic and pointless mathematics. The UKHSA 'model' explicitly ignores all the factors that would have an impact on the spread of the virus.

    https://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2021/12/a-million-cases-day-by-christmas.html
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536
    One thought occurs to me.

    Perez could wipe out Hamilton if there was an overtaking manouevere and leave Verstappen in the clear.

    That should be one thing Mercedes ought to be wary of in pit stop strategy.
  • The problem is that in the BBC, as in much of the public sector, any attempt at efficiency or reducing headcount is fought by slashing the people who do the work, in an attempt to create a backlash.

    I recall an incident where an email from a very stupid administrator in the NHS was published. She boasted that, to push back against administrative savings, she'd put most of the nurses in the cancer section of St Ormund's Street Hospital on notice.

    An interesting thing in the reaction to this was a general sense of "yeah, that's bad, but she was just doing what you do. Look, squirrel", in the press.
    Indeed. Public sector managers are paid according to how many people they manage. DWP have been desperately trying to make Jobcentres "busy" to justify making all the temporary staff permanent. In truth unemployment is falling and most people don't actually need Jobcentre help to find work.
  • BigRich said:

    I suspect that fairly soon the everybody who what's a booster will have had one, and we will be surprised at how many say no thanks, not anti-vaxers as they had the first 2 jabs, just board with this.

    On that subject My booster is booked for next Friday, but over the last week I have had 7 text messages requesting that I book one. should I be suspishas that my original booking has not worked? or is this just a system that is not joined up? or are they trying to encourage me to move my booking earlier. if its the latter the messages are not worded that way.
    I had something similar. My GP didn't know I had booked though the NHS site. It all went as planed on the day and time I had originally booked, so I wouldn't be worried if I were you.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    MaxPB said:

    But that's why he's not been asked to give the position back, Lewis only went off track to avoid the collision. A collision that would hand Max the title.
    I think they did touch and they would certainly have done a lot more than touched had Lewis tried to stay on the track. It was super aggressive again by Max who had less to lose but as he didn't use his brakes he was well ahead.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Will the hards really do 44 laps? I think he will have very poor tyres by the end.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    May be the safer option but I would have used the mediums for another 10 laps
  • Double-jabbed people in England who are close contacts of Covid cases will be told to take daily lateral flow tests for seven days from Tuesday.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59628609
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536
    Hamilton is a smart cookie. He knows that the stewards will be reluctant to get involved today. That includes Verstappen “doing a Senna/Schumacher”.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703
    I hope @Sandpit is enjoying this.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,359
    33 years ago today: the Clapham rail crash.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536
    ydoethur said:

    And so the World Championship will finish in the courts.

    It won’t.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536
    tlg86 said:

    It won’t.
    You clearly have a much higher opinion of both Red Bull and Mercedes than I do.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,626

    That million cases figure that Javid quoted in the HoC, which we thought was probably the number infected at any one time, but no it was actually referring to one million infections PER DAY....See Fig 11 in the following link

    UKHSA call this modelling. It is not. Modelling requires some realistic assumptions. This is simplistic and pointless mathematics. The UKHSA 'model' explicitly ignores all the factors that would have an impact on the spread of the virus.

    https://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2021/12/a-million-cases-day-by-christmas.html

    Yet again I am reminded that too few politicians are able to understand things that we take for granted on PB.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,629
    edited December 2021

    33 years ago today: the Clapham rail crash.

    Two years ago today: 2019 General Election.
  • That sensationalist rag:

    Russia edges closer to war as new arms arrive on Ukraine’s border

    https://twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1470022077692403715?s=20
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,820
    The RBR strategy is clearly to get Perez to crash into Hamilton now.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    MaxPB said:

    The RBR strategy is clearly to get Perez to crash into Hamilton now.

    That is exactly my thought. Perez is the fall guy but doesn't matter
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536
    MaxPB said:

    The RBR strategy is clearly to get Perez to crash into Hamilton now.

    Well, he's missed him so far.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,359
    How much has Hammy taken out of those hard tyres?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    ydoethur said:

    Well, he's missed him so far.
    Was some absolutely brilliant driving by Perez who of course got his team mate on pole yesterday with the tow.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536
    That was the sort of masterful shotgun performance Eddie Irvine used to put in for Schumacher. No wonder Hamilton was annoyed.
  • I am not sure in Powell's case honest shouldn't be substituted for sociopathic. He was "truthful" because he had absolutely no understanding of anyone's view or sensibilities but for his own. To a lesser extent that would also sum up Benn. Both were idealogues, The theorising, bookish Benn personified middle class Marxist wokery to a far greater extent than the rest of us who are castigated for our middle class liberal wokery.

    Both deserve to be irrelevant and no more than footnotes in twentieth century British politics.
    the nearest run thing you ever saw in your life
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,820

    How much has Hammy taken out of those hard tyres?

    Tbf Verstappen had to dodge round some traffic and has been off track as well. Feel like RBR might roll the dice on a two stop.
  • Cyclefree said:

    The more it is photoshopped the greater the risk for the newspaper publishing it.
    True enough, but if the photo is genuine then tracking it down should be trivial - a wood panelled room with a mantel / shelf with 3 world clocks and a small globe on it. Foreign office? Also the screen shows the reflection of a chandelier of some sort to the upper left of the room / fireplace with the bulbs arranged in a semi-circular cluster.

    Somebody is bound to know exactly what room that is and with world clocks I would be thinking of someone who needs to know the time in two other places. I presume the central clock shows UK time and if it was not obscured then the offsets to the other two clocks would reveal the timezones they are focused on which in turn would allow the area of interest of the leaker to be determined.

    The thing is, how long does a zoom quiz last? They must know the time it was taking place....
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,820
    Lewis does just look faster today, Verstappen needed to keep the lead from the start.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536
    MattW said:


    Two years ago today: 2019 General Election.
    A different sort of train crash.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180

    How much has Hammy taken out of those hard tyres?

    Not much going by current pace but he should have used his mediums for longer.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,820
    Maybe Perez will cause a red flag? That would help Max, get another standing start.
  • Flat Earthism.....

    Fury has erupted after academics in New Zealand were threatened with expulsion from the Royal Society for criticising plans that would see Maori knowledge added to the school curriculum.

    Current and former professors at the University of Auckland wrote a letter to the editor of the New Zealand Listener criticising a government working group's plans to give the same weight to Maori mythology as they do to science in the classroom.

    The letter was signed by seven professors, including Garth Cooper, a professor of biochemistry and clinical biochemistry at the University of Auckland.

    Five members of the Royal Society of New Zealand complained about the letter, saying it caused 'untold harm and hurt', prompting the society to launch a formal investigation.

    Critics claimed the ongoing investigation was an attack on free speech and that scientists were being punished for defending science.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10301209/New-Zealand-academic-got-CANCELLED-condemned-plan-teach-Maori-beliefs-science-classes.html
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536
    MaxPB said:

    Lewis does just look faster today, Verstappen needed to keep the lead from the start.

    He's looked faster for the last two months!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,782
    I had forgotten what a cool airport London City is. The towers of the wharf, the waters of the dock. So tiny. Yet chic
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,319

    That sensationalist rag:

    Russia edges closer to war as new arms arrive on Ukraine’s border

    https://twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1470022077692403715?s=20

    They'll push the Ukranian army back to the Dneiper, take Kiev and leave it at that with Ukraine partitioned. That would give the Russians full control of the Sea of Azov, make the Russian occupied zone more economically viable than the DPR/LPR mafia state basketcases and a land bridge to Crimea which is all they really want (for now).

    Before the tory toy soldiers get excited they need to remember there are 175,000 Russian troops on the Ukranian border and the British army is struggling to put a brigade of 5,000 together to meet its NATO commitment.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Leon said:

    I had forgotten what a cool airport London City is. The towers of the wharf, the waters of the dock. So tiny. Yet chic

    And straight on the DLR. Its my favourite London airport.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,629
    pigeon said:

    The latter point might have something to do with it. There are, presumably, good reasons why much of continental Europe opted for social insurance systems to cover healthcare provision, rather than copying "the envy of the world"?
    Differences are rather more stark than that. Here is the data on patients over the last 6 months.

    UK patient nos have been below around 20% of peak, consistently. I'm inclined to think that that is better than massive fluctuations.


  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,359

    Flat Earthism.....

    Fury has erupted after academics in New Zealand were threatened with expulsion from the Royal Society for criticising plans that would see Maori knowledge added to the school curriculum.

    Current and former professors at the University of Auckland wrote a letter to the editor of the New Zealand Listener criticising a government working group's plans to give the same weight to Maori mythology as they do to science in the classroom.

    The letter was signed by seven professors, including Garth Cooper, a professor of biochemistry and clinical biochemistry at the University of Auckland.

    Five members of the Royal Society of New Zealand complained about the letter, saying it caused 'untold harm and hurt', prompting the society to launch a formal investigation.

    Critics claimed the ongoing investigation was an attack on free speech and that scientists were being punished for defending science.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10301209/New-Zealand-academic-got-CANCELLED-condemned-plan-teach-Maori-beliefs-science-classes.html

    I can understand teaching about Maori history and culture ('knowledge'?). Giving it 'equal weight' seems a good way to destroy science and technology in New Zealand.

    The problem: knowledge, science and culture evolve. Mythology, once written down, does not.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,480
    edited December 2021

    I can understand teaching about Maori history and culture ('knowledge'?). Giving it 'equal weight' seems a good way to destroy science and technology in New Zealand.

    The problem: knowledge, science and culture evolve. Mythology, once written down, does not.
    It shouldn't be in any science lessons. It should be taught as part of the sort of lessons kids get about citizenship and culture. Same as "god created the earth in 7 days" shouldn't be anywhere near Physics / Biology / Chemistry.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,359
    Leon said:

    I had forgotten what a cool airport London City is. The towers of the wharf, the waters of the dock. So tiny. Yet chic

    I love the Docklands. A lot of people sneer at it, but I lived there for a year in 1993/4, and it was superb. A place of true contrasts. History and modernity; money and poverty cheek-to-cheek. Yet so much hope.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,296
    DavidL said:

    And straight on the DLR. Its my favourite London airport.
    Selecting one's favourite London airport is tantamount to selecting ones favourite STD.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,359

    It shouldn't be in any science lessons. It should be taught as part of the sort of lessons kids get about citizenship and culture. Same as "god created the earth in 7 days" shouldn't be anywhere near Physics / Biology / Chemistry.
    Oops. I actually missed the 'in science' bit. Yep, you're right.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    True enough, but if the photo is genuine then tracking it down should be trivial - a wood panelled room with a mantel / shelf with 3 world clocks and a small globe on it. Foreign office? Also the screen shows the reflection of a chandelier of some sort to the upper left of the room / fireplace with the bulbs arranged in a semi-circular cluster.

    Somebody is bound to know exactly what room that is and with world clocks I would be thinking of someone who needs to know the time in two other places. I presume the central clock shows UK time and if it was not obscured then the offsets to the other two clocks would reveal the timezones they are focused on which in turn would allow the area of interest of the leaker to be determined.

    The thing is, how long does a zoom quiz last? They must know the time it was taking place....
    4 minutes to 8 in the evening seems quite a likely time to be quizzing, in which case other clock is GMT+3 is Moscow (and a host of less interesting places). Most obviously it's the FO and intelligence services which like to know the time in Moscow. I am genuinely pretty sure there's a coded message there somewhere; it would have been dead easy to pixellate the Moscow clock
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 5,173
    Dura_Ace said:

    They'll push the Ukranian army back to the Dneiper, take Kiev and leave it at that with Ukraine partitioned. That would give the Russians full control of the Sea of Azov, make the Russian occupied zone more economically viable than the DPR/LPR mafia state basketcases and a land bridge to Crimea which is all they really want (for now).

    Before the tory toy soldiers get excited they need to remember there are 175,000 Russian troops on the Ukranian border and the British army is struggling to put a brigade of 5,000 together to meet its NATO commitment.
    You'd think they'd want to chop Ukraine in half along a (roughly) north-south line of partition rather than an east-west one though? AIUI the south is mostly Russian speaking. The north isn't.

    It goes without saying that the UK can tut-tut about the situation but do nothing useful to help.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,820
    Looks like Verstappen's tyres are falling off.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939

    Indeed. Public sector managers are paid according to how many people they manage. DWP have been desperately trying to make Jobcentres "busy" to justify making all the temporary staff permanent. In truth unemployment is falling and most people don't actually need Jobcentre help to find work.
    The responsibility of job centres to help folk find work was removed some years ago.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,359
    edited December 2021
    MattW said:
    Musk looks like a dog has dropped a mess on his head. Since (I think) he has split up with Grimes, perhaps he's another 50-something trying to regain his youth.
  • dixiedean said:

    The responsibility of job centres to help folk find work was removed some years ago.
    So what do they do then?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073

    Hyperbole. The truth is bad enough.
    Hyperbole. It was meant to be a satire on current news agenda. I hoped for giggles 😕
  • TresTres Posts: 2,819
    edited December 2021

    So what do they do then?
    Try to stop people from claiming benefits.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,624

    Flat Earthism.....

    Fury has erupted after academics in New Zealand were threatened with expulsion from the Royal Society for criticising plans that would see Maori knowledge added to the school curriculum.

    Current and former professors at the University of Auckland wrote a letter to the editor of the New Zealand Listener criticising a government working group's plans to give the same weight to Maori mythology as they do to science in the classroom.

    The letter was signed by seven professors, including Garth Cooper, a professor of biochemistry and clinical biochemistry at the University of Auckland.

    Five members of the Royal Society of New Zealand complained about the letter, saying it caused 'untold harm and hurt', prompting the society to launch a formal investigation.

    Critics claimed the ongoing investigation was an attack on free speech and that scientists were being punished for defending science.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10301209/New-Zealand-academic-got-CANCELLED-condemned-plan-teach-Maori-beliefs-science-classes.html

    An investigation is launched as five people signed a letter saying the original caused ‘untold harm’ and ‘hurt’.

    Huh !

    Bonkers.

    Teaching Maori mythology is a great idea. Giving it the same weight as scientific fact isn’t.
  • Giovinazzi hands Verstappen the title.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279

    Hyperbole. It was meant to be a satire on current news agenda. I hoped for giggles 😕
    Take no notice of DA @MoonRabbit - he's a meanie.

    I enjoyed your post. "Eagles posts expletives many of us have never even heard of before" - bless - you are too good for us lot.
  • I am not sure in Powell's case honest shouldn't be substituted for sociopathic. He was "truthful" because he had absolutely no understanding of anyone's view or sensibilities but for his own. To a lesser extent that would also sum up Benn. Both were idealogues, The theorising, bookish Benn personified middle class Marxist wokery to a far greater extent than the rest of us who are castigated for our middle class liberal wokery.

    Both deserve to be irrelevant and no more than footnotes in twentieth century British politics.
    How much truth was in the 'Rivers of Blood' speech and how much was Powell peddling urban legends is still a matter of debate.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    MaxPB said:

    Looks like Verstappen's tyres are falling off.

    The VSC has helped him enormously, this is going to be tight.
  • In the four months since the Taliban took power in Afghanistan, Zahra's family have quickly gone from employment to destitution and are now heading into starvation.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/terror-and-security/life-afghans-starving-death-streets-forced-give-children-hunger/
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279
    DavidL said:

    And straight on the DLR. Its my favourite London airport.
    I've not flown from there. I'd have to get a tube from Euston I guess? and that wouldn't be much fund with luggage.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,820
    Don't understand why Mercedes didn't bring Lewis in on the second go round
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Stocky said:

    I've not flown from there. I'd have to get a tube from Euston I guess? and that wouldn't be much fund with luggage.
    Anywhere that gets you to Bank. After that a doddle.
  • MaxPB said:

    Don't understand why Mercedes didn't bring Lewis in on the second go round

    Then Verstappen would have stayed out and have track position.

    Then take out Hamilton when he tried to overtake.
  • NEW THREAD

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    MaxPB said:

    Don't understand why Mercedes didn't bring Lewis in on the second go round

    If he had used his mediums for another 10 laps it would have been fine.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,820

    Then Verstappen would have stayed out and have track position.

    Then take out Hamilton when he tried to overtake.
    No, on the second VSC lap, Lewis could have come in before it ended.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,213
    Tres said:

    Try to stop people from claiming benefits.
    And sanction them for trivial (or made up) reasons
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    MattW said:

    Checking, they peaked at about 40 chapels, and were a quiet near-fundamentalist protestant sect who had some distinctives such as many being conscientious objectors - very much a "quiet of the land" sort of tradition afaics, I expect similar to Primitive Baptist / Methodist. Perhaps Calvinist and "Hymns of Redemption".

    The kind of adherence to their own values that would be willing to be imprisoned rather than compromise.

    They are now called the Union of Evangelical Churches.



    For a similar peculiar sociology in a more catholic tradition, see the Catholic Apostolic Church ("Irvingites"), whose most prominent church building is now the Church of Christ the King, Gordon Square, Bloomsbury, London.

    Interesting - not one of the Civil War sects but a new one from 1838, a Methodist offshoot. New one to me ...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,629
    Taz said:

    An investigation is launched as five people signed a letter saying the original caused ‘untold harm’ and ‘hurt’.

    Huh !

    Bonkers.

    Teaching Maori mythology is a great idea. Giving it the same weight as scientific fact isn’t.
    Yes. Simple rule: "People disagreeing with you is not an assault."
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,110
    Official figures show 1,239 confirmed UK cases of the Omicron variant taking the total number to 3,137 - a 65% day-on-day rise

    For more on this and other news visit http://news.sky.com
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073
    Stocky said:

    Take no notice of DA @MoonRabbit - he's a meanie.

    I enjoyed your post. "Eagles posts expletives many of us have never even heard of before" - bless - you are too good for us lot.
    That’s so right! LOL 🤣
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