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Not, I think yet. But time will tell.BlancheLivermore said:Is this the Graphene Age?
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According to hieroglyph records, they apparently came with families and livestock, suggesting it was push rather than pull due to climate. Then again, pretty punchy for a bunch of Sardinian and Sicilian peasants to see the glory of the Nile delta and think “yeah that looks a nice spot to settle, let’s get these locals out the way first”. History’s first Vikings perhaps as you say.OldKingCole said:
Presumably, and it's not a period I know much about, the Boat/Sea People were driven by conditions back on the land..... drought/crop failures etc. AIUI we're also unsure about 'why' the Vikings...... doesn't appear to be crop failures ..... possibly over-population or simply easier/more exciting to steal stuff than grow it!moonshine said:
The video I watched reckoned the incursions by The Boat People led to a vicious cycle in the breakdown in Mediterranean trade, most notably tin, with only the Egypt of Rameses III able to weather the storm. With that effort marking the start of the long decline in Egypt’s power. All coming hot on the heels of drought/crop failures and several decades of earthquakes weakening the Mycenae and Hittites. Personally I don’t think Western Civilisation is in too robust a place right now if there was a further extraneous event on top of covid.OldKingCole said:
'Went' to a Zoom recently where the speaker argued that the use of iron in war equipment at the Battle of Kadesh around BC1274 signalled the end of bronze in military weapons and their replacement by iron.moonshine said:
I was watching a video yesterday about the great Bronze Age collapse. As you do. Numerous seemingly strong Mediterranean civilisations all withering away inside a human lifetime.SouthamObserver said:
Trump did not start a war, but controls a Republican party that has all but rejected democracy and embraced violence as a means to secure the outcomes it wants.Jonathan said:
As I understand it Trump not starting a war had more to do with the chiefs of staff rather than Trump’s judgement.rcs1000 said:
OK.moonshine said:
Trump was the first President in 40 years not to launch a new foreign war. Bandying about Hitler is not a particularly insightful comparison to make and is almost certainly counter productive in winning round Trump voters to your pov.OldKingCole said:
The conservative militarists in 30's Germany thought they could control Hitler. That didn't well.Jonathan said:There are intelligent, fairly serious republicans that go along with Trump because he is a winner. I don’t understand that either. I appreciate that you want to retain your seat, but associating with someone who incited a mob to storm the Capitol at the very least seems risky. They seem to think they can control him and ride the coat tails of a movement that wants to see the world burn.
Obama inherited US military presences in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, you can say that he also ordered drone strikes in Libya, Yemen and Somalia (plus sending helicopters into Pakistan), I didn't notice him launching a new foreign war. Plus, if you're going to say that Trump didn't initiate any, you also have to account for the fact that the number of foreign drone strikes per year were basically unchanged. Only under Biden has the US taken a step back from bombing others,
Bush (W) - certainly did initiate wars. But prior to the US being actually attacked in 2001, I don't remember the US actually initiating any.
Clinton. The Balkans. But was that actually a war?
Bush (HW) - Iraq. But... the again, the US didn't exactly start that either,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/03/republican-party-democracy-political-violence-trumpism
Across what was once called the Free World, governments and parties of the right are dismantling the democracies, the liberties and freedoms they claim so loudly to believe in. You see it in the US, the UK, Hungary, Poland, Slovenia, India, Brazil and so on. It's terrifying, quite frankly. But even more terrifying is that they are doing it with the acquiescence of so many.
What we have is a very fragile thing indeed, arguably even more so than for the ancients, because interconnectedness brings vulnerability as well as wealth and our interconnectedness is beyond compare.
Which is why I would relegate levelling up behind strategic resilience in my policy agenda. Making sure that the light of reason survives the 21st century in a thriving state should be our very highest priority.
Somewhat over-simplified, I thought; unlikely that one event was so crucial and anyway, what was happening in other parts of the world.0 -
The fact that lots of people who don't follow the rules themselves also get really annoyed by other people who don’t, so sentence 3 is not a complete explanation of sentence 4. Fallacy of the undistributed middle.turbotubbs said:
Huh? Most people who follow the rules get really annoyed by those who don’t. I don’t see what’s controversial about that?IshmaelZ said:
Your fourth sentence does not follow from your third.turbotubbs said:
Selection bias. Heve you considered that your friends are not normal? Most U.K. folk are VERY law abiding and rule obeyers. Hence the fury about others transgressing in lockdown.rcs1000 said:
I'm not sure anything like *all* infections are included in the numbers. Most of my friends who got Covid (and posted their LFT test results to FB) have never taken a PCR or submitted their infection status anywhere official.Stocky said:
Yes, same here, for sure "horrible and debilitating for a few weeks" is the typical experience of the vaccinated. Either that or no symptoms at all. A tiny minority of the vaccinated die. We always knew that no vaccine will be 100% effective.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Yes every adult I know who has caught Covid recently has been double jabbed. It's mostly not been life threatening (although I know of someone, early 40s, double jabbed, no underlying conditions, who died) but without fail it's been horrible and debilitating and most have been surprised at how long it's taken to fully recover. I am still far from 100% three weeks after catching it.TOPPING said:I don't get the omigod Omicron affects the double jabbed thing.
I and plenty of my friends have had Covid since being double jabbed. Like the flu for a couple of days in my case and a bit longer for others.
This is of course no comment on the potency or otherwise or the transmissibility of Omicron just that it's strange to see such shock headlines.
Yet ALL positives are included in the 4pm gloom-fest new infection figures - despite infections not being remotely equal in significance.
We need to know how close our medical system is to collapse. Publishing new infection figures is, post-vaccine, way too divorced from this aim and just serves to generate panic, eagerly stoked by the media.
People I know, in the West of England, also keep their infection status to themselves and to those they think need to know.
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Wasn't it replaced by CTT and then the relevant CTT renamed IHT by previous admins?IshmaelZ said:
I think the tories abolished it didn't they and GB reintroduced it in 1997, and rather surprised everyone by also reintroducing the 7 year loopholeCarnyx said:
Indeed. It really penalises the middle well off and the poor in all sorts of ways - not least if you are not an Epping pensioner, or have nieces and nephews rather than children.StuartDickson said:
Point of information: Sweden, probably the most consistently left-of-centre country on the planet during the last 100 years, abolished inheritance tax in 2004. The parliamentary vote was unanimous and absolutely nobody is interested in reintroducing it.Carnyx said:
Not a hope. They are obviously pampering southern houseowners and their middle aged soon to retire children. Look at the increase to IHT threshold being mooted.Philip_Thompson said:
F**k off on cutting Income Tax. Reverse the NI cut first.FrancisUrquhart said:TIMES: @RishiSunak plan to slash taxes #TomorrowsPapersToday
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1466887366497513476?s=20
Somebody making a pitch for the top job? Vrroom vrrroom.
Cutting Income Tax while having NI higher just further reduces the taxes that are paid on unearned incomes, while further penalising those on earned incomes.
Inheritance tax has got to be the daftest tax still on the books. It serves no one well. Just scrap it.
That's very interesting about the Swedish position.
Wiki says:
"Estate duty was abolished with the passage of the Finance Act 1975, which created the Capital Transfer Tax, with the following characteristics:
It captured all transfers of value, not made at an arm's length basis, by which the transferor's estate was less in value after the disposition than it was before.[5]
Value was generally defined as "the price which the property might reasonably be expected to fetch in the open market at that time; but that price shall not be assumed to be reduced on the ground that the whole property is to be placed on the market at one and the same time."[6]
Transfers (in excess of specified limits, or not otherwise excluded) made during a person's lifetime were accumulated with tax assessed on a sliding scale on the total amount.[7]
All transfers made at death or within three years before were taxable at a separate, higher sliding scale.[8]
Where the transferor was domiciled in the United Kingdom, tax was chargeable on all subject property; otherwise, it was chargeable only on property situated in the UK.[9]
CTT was reduced in scope during the Thatcher years, with most lifetime gifts removed by the Finance Act 1986. The tax was renamed as Inheritance Tax."
But regardless of the precise dating, your post is very interesting as I hadn'tr realised that CTT had already replaced IHT - a commendable precedent that ought to be followed today.0 -
There has been at least one high profile left winger in the UK who subverted the electoral process: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32428648NickPalmer said:
Yes, it reflects the football crowd mentality of much of politics - things our side do may be regrettable but they're still our guys, and sneering at the other side takes precedence. The belief in freedom of expression and fair elections is seen by many as an abstract concept which they take for granted without applying it to anything that's actually happening.SouthamObserver said:
Trump did not start a war, but controls a Republican party that has all but rejected democracy and embraced violence as a means to secure the outcomes it wants.Jonathan said:
As I understand it Trump not starting a war had more to do with the chiefs of staff rather than Trump’s judgement.rcs1000 said:
OK.moonshine said:
Trump was the first President in 40 years not to launch a new foreign war. Bandying about Hitler is not a particularly insightful comparison to make and is almost certainly counter productive in winning round Trump voters to your pov.OldKingCole said:
The conservative militarists in 30's Germany thought they could control Hitler. That didn't well.Jonathan said:There are intelligent, fairly serious republicans that go along with Trump because he is a winner. I don’t understand that either. I appreciate that you want to retain your seat, but associating with someone who incited a mob to storm the Capitol at the very least seems risky. They seem to think they can control him and ride the coat tails of a movement that wants to see the world burn.
Obama inherited US military presences in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, you can say that he also ordered drone strikes in Libya, Yemen and Somalia (plus sending helicopters into Pakistan), I didn't notice him launching a new foreign war. Plus, if you're going to say that Trump didn't initiate any, you also have to account for the fact that the number of foreign drone strikes per year were basically unchanged. Only under Biden has the US taken a step back from bombing others,
Bush (W) - certainly did initiate wars. But prior to the US being actually attacked in 2001, I don't remember the US actually initiating any.
Clinton. The Balkans. But was that actually a war?
Bush (HW) - Iraq. But... the again, the US didn't exactly start that either,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/03/republican-party-democracy-political-violence-trumpism
Across what was once called the Free World, governments and parties of the right are dismantling the democracies, the liberties and freedoms they claim so loudly to believe in. You see it in the US, the UK, Hungary, Poland, Slovenia, India, Brazil and so on. It's terrifying, quite frankly. But even more terrifying is that they are doing it with the acquiescence of so many.
That applies to the left as well, and I do recognise that we need to rein in the cancel culture stuff. But in the anglosphere, very few on the left have actually thought about conspiring to subvert the electoral process, which is overtly accepted by many Republicans in the US and I think not entirely absent over here.
But if you start to get to the point where the other side thinks it is being literally prevented from winning elections by unfair means, then they start looking around for non-democratic ways of opposition. Suppose Trump had succeeded in overturning Biden's election. Would it have been unnatural for opponents to start looking at organising riots, carrying arms, etc.?0 -
There was. But just imagine that journey with a donkey and a pair of leather sandals.OldKingCole said:
Point noted. I think there was tin in what we now call Afghanistan, wasn't there. Thought Cyprus was copper, hence the name.moonshine said:
Iron’s melting point is about 500°C hotter than copper’s. There was plenty of tin in Cyprus and Cornwall and bits and price elsewhere. But yes, it did require a stable system of trade to make bigger Bronze Age civs thrive.OldKingCole said:
It has been an intermittent source of idle questioning for me as to why bronze became so widely used. While it's harder than copper alone, the best 'mixer' tin, isn't that widely available.IshmaelZ said:
He got that from a Wilbur Smith novel. Smith describes very credibly what happens when you take a bronze sword to an iron sword fight, might as well be made of chocolate. Never tried but I can see how it might be true given how bendy copper is.OldKingCole said:
'Went' to a Zoom recently where the speaker argued that the use of iron in war equipment at the Battle of Kadesh around BC1274 signalled the end of bronze in military weapons and their replacement by iron.moonshine said:
I was watching a video yesterday about the great Bronze Age collapse. As you do. Numerous seemingly strong Mediterranean civilisations all withering away inside a human lifetime.SouthamObserver said:
Trump did not start a war, but controls a Republican party that has all but rejected democracy and embraced violence as a means to secure the outcomes it wants.Jonathan said:
As I understand it Trump not starting a war had more to do with the chiefs of staff rather than Trump’s judgement.rcs1000 said:
OK.moonshine said:
Trump was the first President in 40 years not to launch a new foreign war. Bandying about Hitler is not a particularly insightful comparison to make and is almost certainly counter productive in winning round Trump voters to your pov.OldKingCole said:
The conservative militarists in 30's Germany thought they could control Hitler. That didn't well.Jonathan said:There are intelligent, fairly serious republicans that go along with Trump because he is a winner. I don’t understand that either. I appreciate that you want to retain your seat, but associating with someone who incited a mob to storm the Capitol at the very least seems risky. They seem to think they can control him and ride the coat tails of a movement that wants to see the world burn.
Obama inherited US military presences in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, you can say that he also ordered drone strikes in Libya, Yemen and Somalia (plus sending helicopters into Pakistan), I didn't notice him launching a new foreign war. Plus, if you're going to say that Trump didn't initiate any, you also have to account for the fact that the number of foreign drone strikes per year were basically unchanged. Only under Biden has the US taken a step back from bombing others,
Bush (W) - certainly did initiate wars. But prior to the US being actually attacked in 2001, I don't remember the US actually initiating any.
Clinton. The Balkans. But was that actually a war?
Bush (HW) - Iraq. But... the again, the US didn't exactly start that either,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/03/republican-party-democracy-political-violence-trumpism
Across what was once called the Free World, governments and parties of the right are dismantling the democracies, the liberties and freedoms they claim so loudly to believe in. You see it in the US, the UK, Hungary, Poland, Slovenia, India, Brazil and so on. It's terrifying, quite frankly. But even more terrifying is that they are doing it with the acquiescence of so many.
What we have is a very fragile thing indeed, arguably even more so than for the ancients, because interconnectedness brings vulnerability as well as wealth and our interconnectedness is beyond compare.
Which is why I would relegate levelling up behind strategic resilience in my policy agenda. Making sure that the light of reason survives the 21st century in a thriving state should be our very highest priority.
Somewhat over-simplified, I thought; unlikely that one event was so crucial and anyway, what was happening in other parts of the world.0 -
wiki thinks no tin in CyprusOldKingCole said:
Point noted. I think there was tin in what we now call Afghanistan, wasn't there. Thought Cyprus was copper, hence the name.moonshine said:
Iron’s melting point is about 500°C hotter than copper’s. There was plenty of tin in Cyprus and Cornwall and bits and price elsewhere. But yes, it did require a stable system of trade to make bigger Bronze Age civs thrive.OldKingCole said:
It has been an intermittent source of idle questioning for me as to why bronze became so widely used. While it's harder than copper alone, the best 'mixer' tin, isn't that widely available.IshmaelZ said:
He got that from a Wilbur Smith novel. Smith describes very credibly what happens when you take a bronze sword to an iron sword fight, might as well be made of chocolate. Never tried but I can see how it might be true given how bendy copper is.OldKingCole said:
'Went' to a Zoom recently where the speaker argued that the use of iron in war equipment at the Battle of Kadesh around BC1274 signalled the end of bronze in military weapons and their replacement by iron.moonshine said:
I was watching a video yesterday about the great Bronze Age collapse. As you do. Numerous seemingly strong Mediterranean civilisations all withering away inside a human lifetime.SouthamObserver said:
Trump did not start a war, but controls a Republican party that has all but rejected democracy and embraced violence as a means to secure the outcomes it wants.Jonathan said:
As I understand it Trump not starting a war had more to do with the chiefs of staff rather than Trump’s judgement.rcs1000 said:
OK.moonshine said:
Trump was the first President in 40 years not to launch a new foreign war. Bandying about Hitler is not a particularly insightful comparison to make and is almost certainly counter productive in winning round Trump voters to your pov.OldKingCole said:
The conservative militarists in 30's Germany thought they could control Hitler. That didn't well.Jonathan said:There are intelligent, fairly serious republicans that go along with Trump because he is a winner. I don’t understand that either. I appreciate that you want to retain your seat, but associating with someone who incited a mob to storm the Capitol at the very least seems risky. They seem to think they can control him and ride the coat tails of a movement that wants to see the world burn.
Obama inherited US military presences in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, you can say that he also ordered drone strikes in Libya, Yemen and Somalia (plus sending helicopters into Pakistan), I didn't notice him launching a new foreign war. Plus, if you're going to say that Trump didn't initiate any, you also have to account for the fact that the number of foreign drone strikes per year were basically unchanged. Only under Biden has the US taken a step back from bombing others,
Bush (W) - certainly did initiate wars. But prior to the US being actually attacked in 2001, I don't remember the US actually initiating any.
Clinton. The Balkans. But was that actually a war?
Bush (HW) - Iraq. But... the again, the US didn't exactly start that either,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/03/republican-party-democracy-political-violence-trumpism
Across what was once called the Free World, governments and parties of the right are dismantling the democracies, the liberties and freedoms they claim so loudly to believe in. You see it in the US, the UK, Hungary, Poland, Slovenia, India, Brazil and so on. It's terrifying, quite frankly. But even more terrifying is that they are doing it with the acquiescence of so many.
What we have is a very fragile thing indeed, arguably even more so than for the ancients, because interconnectedness brings vulnerability as well as wealth and our interconnectedness is beyond compare.
Which is why I would relegate levelling up behind strategic resilience in my policy agenda. Making sure that the light of reason survives the 21st century in a thriving state should be our very highest priority.
Somewhat over-simplified, I thought; unlikely that one event was so crucial and anyway, what was happening in other parts of the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_sources_and_trade_in_ancient_times#Europe
and
"While there are a few sources of cassiterite in Central Asia, namely in Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Afghanistan, that show signs of having been exploited starting around 2000 BC (Cierny & Weisgerber 2003, p. 28), archaeologists disagree about whether they were significant sources of tin for the earliest Bronze Age cultures of the Middle East (Dayton 2003; Muhly 1973; Maddin 1998; Stech & Pigott 1986)."
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IshmaelZ said:
wiki thinks no tin in CyprusOldKingCole said:
Point noted. I think there was tin in what we now call Afghanistan, wasn't there. Thought Cyprus was copper, hence the name.moonshine said:
Iron’s melting point is about 500°C hotter than copper’s. There was plenty of tin in Cyprus and Cornwall and bits and price elsewhere. But yes, it did require a stable system of trade to make bigger Bronze Age civs thrive.OldKingCole said:
It has been an intermittent source of idle questioning for me as to why bronze became so widely used. While it's harder than copper alone, the best 'mixer' tin, isn't that widely available.IshmaelZ said:
He got that from a Wilbur Smith novel. Smith describes very credibly what happens when you take a bronze sword to an iron sword fight, might as well be made of chocolate. Never tried but I can see how it might be true given how bendy copper is.OldKingCole said:
'Went' to a Zoom recently where the speaker argued that the use of iron in war equipment at the Battle of Kadesh around BC1274 signalled the end of bronze in military weapons and their replacement by iron.moonshine said:
I was watching a video yesterday about the great Bronze Age collapse. As you do. Numerous seemingly strong Mediterranean civilisations all withering away inside a human lifetime.SouthamObserver said:
Trump did not start a war, but controls a Republican party that has all but rejected democracy and embraced violence as a means to secure the outcomes it wants.Jonathan said:
As I understand it Trump not starting a war had more to do with the chiefs of staff rather than Trump’s judgement.rcs1000 said:
OK.moonshine said:
Trump was the first President in 40 years not to launch a new foreign war. Bandying about Hitler is not a particularly insightful comparison to make and is almost certainly counter productive in winning round Trump voters to your pov.OldKingCole said:
The conservative militarists in 30's Germany thought they could control Hitler. That didn't well.Jonathan said:There are intelligent, fairly serious republicans that go along with Trump because he is a winner. I don’t understand that either. I appreciate that you want to retain your seat, but associating with someone who incited a mob to storm the Capitol at the very least seems risky. They seem to think they can control him and ride the coat tails of a movement that wants to see the world burn.
Obama inherited US military presences in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, you can say that he also ordered drone strikes in Libya, Yemen and Somalia (plus sending helicopters into Pakistan), I didn't notice him launching a new foreign war. Plus, if you're going to say that Trump didn't initiate any, you also have to account for the fact that the number of foreign drone strikes per year were basically unchanged. Only under Biden has the US taken a step back from bombing others,
Bush (W) - certainly did initiate wars. But prior to the US being actually attacked in 2001, I don't remember the US actually initiating any.
Clinton. The Balkans. But was that actually a war?
Bush (HW) - Iraq. But... the again, the US didn't exactly start that either,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/03/republican-party-democracy-political-violence-trumpism
Across what was once called the Free World, governments and parties of the right are dismantling the democracies, the liberties and freedoms they claim so loudly to believe in. You see it in the US, the UK, Hungary, Poland, Slovenia, India, Brazil and so on. It's terrifying, quite frankly. But even more terrifying is that they are doing it with the acquiescence of so many.
What we have is a very fragile thing indeed, arguably even more so than for the ancients, because interconnectedness brings vulnerability as well as wealth and our interconnectedness is beyond compare.
Which is why I would relegate levelling up behind strategic resilience in my policy agenda. Making sure that the light of reason survives the 21st century in a thriving state should be our very highest priority.
Somewhat over-simplified, I thought; unlikely that one event was so crucial and anyway, what was happening in other parts of the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_sources_and_trade_in_ancient_times#Europe
Must be mis rememberingIshmaelZ said:
wiki thinks no tin in CyprusOldKingCole said:
Point noted. I think there was tin in what we now call Afghanistan, wasn't there. Thought Cyprus was copper, hence the name.moonshine said:
Iron’s melting point is about 500°C hotter than copper’s. There was plenty of tin in Cyprus and Cornwall and bits and price elsewhere. But yes, it did require a stable system of trade to make bigger Bronze Age civs thrive.OldKingCole said:
It has been an intermittent source of idle questioning for me as to why bronze became so widely used. While it's harder than copper alone, the best 'mixer' tin, isn't that widely available.IshmaelZ said:
He got that from a Wilbur Smith novel. Smith describes very credibly what happens when you take a bronze sword to an iron sword fight, might as well be made of chocolate. Never tried but I can see how it might be true given how bendy copper is.OldKingCole said:
'Went' to a Zoom recently where the speaker argued that the use of iron in war equipment at the Battle of Kadesh around BC1274 signalled the end of bronze in military weapons and their replacement by iron.moonshine said:
I was watching a video yesterday about the great Bronze Age collapse. As you do. Numerous seemingly strong Mediterranean civilisations all withering away inside a human lifetime.SouthamObserver said:
Trump did not start a war, but controls a Republican party that has all but rejected democracy and embraced violence as a means to secure the outcomes it wants.Jonathan said:
As I understand it Trump not starting a war had more to do with the chiefs of staff rather than Trump’s judgement.rcs1000 said:
OK.moonshine said:
Trump was the first President in 40 years not to launch a new foreign war. Bandying about Hitler is not a particularly insightful comparison to make and is almost certainly counter productive in winning round Trump voters to your pov.OldKingCole said:
The conservative militarists in 30's Germany thought they could control Hitler. That didn't well.Jonathan said:There are intelligent, fairly serious republicans that go along with Trump because he is a winner. I don’t understand that either. I appreciate that you want to retain your seat, but associating with someone who incited a mob to storm the Capitol at the very least seems risky. They seem to think they can control him and ride the coat tails of a movement that wants to see the world burn.
Obama inherited US military presences in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, you can say that he also ordered drone strikes in Libya, Yemen and Somalia (plus sending helicopters into Pakistan), I didn't notice him launching a new foreign war. Plus, if you're going to say that Trump didn't initiate any, you also have to account for the fact that the number of foreign drone strikes per year were basically unchanged. Only under Biden has the US taken a step back from bombing others,
Bush (W) - certainly did initiate wars. But prior to the US being actually attacked in 2001, I don't remember the US actually initiating any.
Clinton. The Balkans. But was that actually a war?
Bush (HW) - Iraq. But... the again, the US didn't exactly start that either,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/03/republican-party-democracy-political-violence-trumpism
Across what was once called the Free World, governments and parties of the right are dismantling the democracies, the liberties and freedoms they claim so loudly to believe in. You see it in the US, the UK, Hungary, Poland, Slovenia, India, Brazil and so on. It's terrifying, quite frankly. But even more terrifying is that they are doing it with the acquiescence of so many.
What we have is a very fragile thing indeed, arguably even more so than for the ancients, because interconnectedness brings vulnerability as well as wealth and our interconnectedness is beyond compare.
Which is why I would relegate levelling up behind strategic resilience in my policy agenda. Making sure that the light of reason survives the 21st century in a thriving state should be our very highest priority.
Somewhat over-simplified, I thought; unlikely that one event was so crucial and anyway, what was happening in other parts of the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_sources_and_trade_in_ancient_times#Europe
and
"While there are a few sources of cassiterite in Central Asia, namely in Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Afghanistan, that show signs of having been exploited starting around 2000 BC (Cierny & Weisgerber 2003, p. 28), archaeologists disagree about whether they were significant sources of tin for the earliest Bronze Age cultures of the Middle East (Dayton 2003; Muhly 1973; Maddin 1998; Stech & Pigott 1986)."0 -
As I said, not a period I know much about. I'm not THAT old! Didn't do much History at school, either; we had the apparently irrevocable choice at 14 of science or arts, and history was an arts subject.moonshine said:
According to hieroglyph records, they apparently came with families and livestock, suggesting it was push rather than pull due to climate. Then again, pretty punchy for a bunch of Sardinian and Sicilian peasants to see the glory of the Nile delta and think “yeah that looks a nice spot to settle, let’s get these locals out the way first”. History’s first Vikings perhaps as you say.OldKingCole said:
Presumably, and it's not a period I know much about, the Boat/Sea People were driven by conditions back on the land..... drought/crop failures etc. AIUI we're also unsure about 'why' the Vikings...... doesn't appear to be crop failures ..... possibly over-population or simply easier/more exciting to steal stuff than grow it!moonshine said:
The video I watched reckoned the incursions by The Boat People led to a vicious cycle in the breakdown in Mediterranean trade, most notably tin, with only the Egypt of Rameses III able to weather the storm. With that effort marking the start of the long decline in Egypt’s power. All coming hot on the heels of drought/crop failures and several decades of earthquakes weakening the Mycenae and Hittites. Personally I don’t think Western Civilisation is in too robust a place right now if there was a further extraneous event on top of covid.OldKingCole said:
'Went' to a Zoom recently where the speaker argued that the use of iron in war equipment at the Battle of Kadesh around BC1274 signalled the end of bronze in military weapons and their replacement by iron.moonshine said:
I was watching a video yesterday about the great Bronze Age collapse. As you do. Numerous seemingly strong Mediterranean civilisations all withering away inside a human lifetime.SouthamObserver said:
Trump did not start a war, but controls a Republican party that has all but rejected democracy and embraced violence as a means to secure the outcomes it wants.Jonathan said:
As I understand it Trump not starting a war had more to do with the chiefs of staff rather than Trump’s judgement.rcs1000 said:
OK.moonshine said:
Trump was the first President in 40 years not to launch a new foreign war. Bandying about Hitler is not a particularly insightful comparison to make and is almost certainly counter productive in winning round Trump voters to your pov.OldKingCole said:
The conservative militarists in 30's Germany thought they could control Hitler. That didn't well.Jonathan said:There are intelligent, fairly serious republicans that go along with Trump because he is a winner. I don’t understand that either. I appreciate that you want to retain your seat, but associating with someone who incited a mob to storm the Capitol at the very least seems risky. They seem to think they can control him and ride the coat tails of a movement that wants to see the world burn.
Obama inherited US military presences in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, you can say that he also ordered drone strikes in Libya, Yemen and Somalia (plus sending helicopters into Pakistan), I didn't notice him launching a new foreign war. Plus, if you're going to say that Trump didn't initiate any, you also have to account for the fact that the number of foreign drone strikes per year were basically unchanged. Only under Biden has the US taken a step back from bombing others,
Bush (W) - certainly did initiate wars. But prior to the US being actually attacked in 2001, I don't remember the US actually initiating any.
Clinton. The Balkans. But was that actually a war?
Bush (HW) - Iraq. But... the again, the US didn't exactly start that either,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/03/republican-party-democracy-political-violence-trumpism
Across what was once called the Free World, governments and parties of the right are dismantling the democracies, the liberties and freedoms they claim so loudly to believe in. You see it in the US, the UK, Hungary, Poland, Slovenia, India, Brazil and so on. It's terrifying, quite frankly. But even more terrifying is that they are doing it with the acquiescence of so many.
What we have is a very fragile thing indeed, arguably even more so than for the ancients, because interconnectedness brings vulnerability as well as wealth and our interconnectedness is beyond compare.
Which is why I would relegate levelling up behind strategic resilience in my policy agenda. Making sure that the light of reason survives the 21st century in a thriving state should be our very highest priority.
Somewhat over-simplified, I thought; unlikely that one event was so crucial and anyway, what was happening in other parts of the world.
Maybe I'll add reading up on that to my bucket list.
Have you got a reference for that video, please?0 -
Did it leap on a dessert spoon because a Lemmings first instincts is to be part of a death cult?MoonRabbit said:
It’s so cute❣️malcolmg said:
Unkind, a few mor enice pictures like that would beat a lot of the drivel written.StuartDickson said:
Please god no.BlancheLivermore said:It's a lemming in a teaspoon.
Can anybody recommend a sauce?
I can tolerate that this blog rarely talks about political betting, because 98% of the time it is vaguely about politics, current affairs, society and culture, and 1% of the time about betting.
Please find a “small mammal comedy” blog for your insta rejects.
Picture if you will an archetypal cliff face - like the white cliffs of Dover, but not the white cliffs of Dover because it’s somewhere else. And there’s a huge pile of lemmings at the bottom of the cliff after throwing themselves off. Away in the distance another large tribe of lemmings racing towards the cliff. But at the very top of the cliff are just two lemmings, looking down. one says - bloody tides out.0 -
I don’t know much either. Just watched a YouTube videoOldKingCole said:
As I said, not a period I know much about. I'm not THAT old! Didn't do much History at school, either; we had the apparently irrevocable choice at 14 of science or arts, and history was an arts subject.moonshine said:
According to hieroglyph records, they apparently came with families and livestock, suggesting it was push rather than pull due to climate. Then again, pretty punchy for a bunch of Sardinian and Sicilian peasants to see the glory of the Nile delta and think “yeah that looks a nice spot to settle, let’s get these locals out the way first”. History’s first Vikings perhaps as you say.OldKingCole said:
Presumably, and it's not a period I know much about, the Boat/Sea People were driven by conditions back on the land..... drought/crop failures etc. AIUI we're also unsure about 'why' the Vikings...... doesn't appear to be crop failures ..... possibly over-population or simply easier/more exciting to steal stuff than grow it!moonshine said:
The video I watched reckoned the incursions by The Boat People led to a vicious cycle in the breakdown in Mediterranean trade, most notably tin, with only the Egypt of Rameses III able to weather the storm. With that effort marking the start of the long decline in Egypt’s power. All coming hot on the heels of drought/crop failures and several decades of earthquakes weakening the Mycenae and Hittites. Personally I don’t think Western Civilisation is in too robust a place right now if there was a further extraneous event on top of covid.OldKingCole said:
'Went' to a Zoom recently where the speaker argued that the use of iron in war equipment at the Battle of Kadesh around BC1274 signalled the end of bronze in military weapons and their replacement by iron.moonshine said:
I was watching a video yesterday about the great Bronze Age collapse. As you do. Numerous seemingly strong Mediterranean civilisations all withering away inside a human lifetime.SouthamObserver said:
Trump did not start a war, but controls a Republican party that has all but rejected democracy and embraced violence as a means to secure the outcomes it wants.Jonathan said:
As I understand it Trump not starting a war had more to do with the chiefs of staff rather than Trump’s judgement.rcs1000 said:
OK.moonshine said:
Trump was the first President in 40 years not to launch a new foreign war. Bandying about Hitler is not a particularly insightful comparison to make and is almost certainly counter productive in winning round Trump voters to your pov.OldKingCole said:
The conservative militarists in 30's Germany thought they could control Hitler. That didn't well.Jonathan said:There are intelligent, fairly serious republicans that go along with Trump because he is a winner. I don’t understand that either. I appreciate that you want to retain your seat, but associating with someone who incited a mob to storm the Capitol at the very least seems risky. They seem to think they can control him and ride the coat tails of a movement that wants to see the world burn.
Obama inherited US military presences in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, you can say that he also ordered drone strikes in Libya, Yemen and Somalia (plus sending helicopters into Pakistan), I didn't notice him launching a new foreign war. Plus, if you're going to say that Trump didn't initiate any, you also have to account for the fact that the number of foreign drone strikes per year were basically unchanged. Only under Biden has the US taken a step back from bombing others,
Bush (W) - certainly did initiate wars. But prior to the US being actually attacked in 2001, I don't remember the US actually initiating any.
Clinton. The Balkans. But was that actually a war?
Bush (HW) - Iraq. But... the again, the US didn't exactly start that either,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/03/republican-party-democracy-political-violence-trumpism
Across what was once called the Free World, governments and parties of the right are dismantling the democracies, the liberties and freedoms they claim so loudly to believe in. You see it in the US, the UK, Hungary, Poland, Slovenia, India, Brazil and so on. It's terrifying, quite frankly. But even more terrifying is that they are doing it with the acquiescence of so many.
What we have is a very fragile thing indeed, arguably even more so than for the ancients, because interconnectedness brings vulnerability as well as wealth and our interconnectedness is beyond compare.
Which is why I would relegate levelling up behind strategic resilience in my policy agenda. Making sure that the light of reason survives the 21st century in a thriving state should be our very highest priority.
Somewhat over-simplified, I thought; unlikely that one event was so crucial and anyway, what was happening in other parts of the world.
Maybe I'll add reading up on that to my bucket list.
Have you got a reference for that video, please?
https://youtu.be/aq4G-7v-_xI
The one on the same channel about Sparta’s economy and constitution was interesting too.1 -
Cornwall to Phoenicia in an open boat must have been quite a trip as well. Even allowing for coast-hugging.moonshine said:
There was. But just imagine that journey with a donkey and a pair of leather sandals.OldKingCole said:
Point noted. I think there was tin in what we now call Afghanistan, wasn't there. Thought Cyprus was copper, hence the name.moonshine said:
Iron’s melting point is about 500°C hotter than copper’s. There was plenty of tin in Cyprus and Cornwall and bits and price elsewhere. But yes, it did require a stable system of trade to make bigger Bronze Age civs thrive.OldKingCole said:
It has been an intermittent source of idle questioning for me as to why bronze became so widely used. While it's harder than copper alone, the best 'mixer' tin, isn't that widely available.IshmaelZ said:
He got that from a Wilbur Smith novel. Smith describes very credibly what happens when you take a bronze sword to an iron sword fight, might as well be made of chocolate. Never tried but I can see how it might be true given how bendy copper is.OldKingCole said:
'Went' to a Zoom recently where the speaker argued that the use of iron in war equipment at the Battle of Kadesh around BC1274 signalled the end of bronze in military weapons and their replacement by iron.moonshine said:
I was watching a video yesterday about the great Bronze Age collapse. As you do. Numerous seemingly strong Mediterranean civilisations all withering away inside a human lifetime.SouthamObserver said:
Trump did not start a war, but controls a Republican party that has all but rejected democracy and embraced violence as a means to secure the outcomes it wants.Jonathan said:
As I understand it Trump not starting a war had more to do with the chiefs of staff rather than Trump’s judgement.rcs1000 said:
OK.moonshine said:
Trump was the first President in 40 years not to launch a new foreign war. Bandying about Hitler is not a particularly insightful comparison to make and is almost certainly counter productive in winning round Trump voters to your pov.OldKingCole said:
The conservative militarists in 30's Germany thought they could control Hitler. That didn't well.Jonathan said:There are intelligent, fairly serious republicans that go along with Trump because he is a winner. I don’t understand that either. I appreciate that you want to retain your seat, but associating with someone who incited a mob to storm the Capitol at the very least seems risky. They seem to think they can control him and ride the coat tails of a movement that wants to see the world burn.
Obama inherited US military presences in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, you can say that he also ordered drone strikes in Libya, Yemen and Somalia (plus sending helicopters into Pakistan), I didn't notice him launching a new foreign war. Plus, if you're going to say that Trump didn't initiate any, you also have to account for the fact that the number of foreign drone strikes per year were basically unchanged. Only under Biden has the US taken a step back from bombing others,
Bush (W) - certainly did initiate wars. But prior to the US being actually attacked in 2001, I don't remember the US actually initiating any.
Clinton. The Balkans. But was that actually a war?
Bush (HW) - Iraq. But... the again, the US didn't exactly start that either,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/03/republican-party-democracy-political-violence-trumpism
Across what was once called the Free World, governments and parties of the right are dismantling the democracies, the liberties and freedoms they claim so loudly to believe in. You see it in the US, the UK, Hungary, Poland, Slovenia, India, Brazil and so on. It's terrifying, quite frankly. But even more terrifying is that they are doing it with the acquiescence of so many.
What we have is a very fragile thing indeed, arguably even more so than for the ancients, because interconnectedness brings vulnerability as well as wealth and our interconnectedness is beyond compare.
Which is why I would relegate levelling up behind strategic resilience in my policy agenda. Making sure that the light of reason survives the 21st century in a thriving state should be our very highest priority.
Somewhat over-simplified, I thought; unlikely that one event was so crucial and anyway, what was happening in other parts of the world.2 -
Absolutely - no side is completely innocent. But there's nothing on the nationally organised scale we're seeing the States.Fysics_Teacher said:
There has been at least one high profile left winger in the UK who subverted the electoral process: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32428648NickPalmer said:
Yes, it reflects the football crowd mentality of much of politics - things our side do may be regrettable but they're still our guys, and sneering at the other side takes precedence. The belief in freedom of expression and fair elections is seen by many as an abstract concept which they take for granted without applying it to anything that's actually happening.SouthamObserver said:
Trump did not start a war, but controls a Republican party that has all but rejected democracy and embraced violence as a means to secure the outcomes it wants.Jonathan said:
As I understand it Trump not starting a war had more to do with the chiefs of staff rather than Trump’s judgement.rcs1000 said:
OK.moonshine said:
Trump was the first President in 40 years not to launch a new foreign war. Bandying about Hitler is not a particularly insightful comparison to make and is almost certainly counter productive in winning round Trump voters to your pov.OldKingCole said:
The conservative militarists in 30's Germany thought they could control Hitler. That didn't well.Jonathan said:There are intelligent, fairly serious republicans that go along with Trump because he is a winner. I don’t understand that either. I appreciate that you want to retain your seat, but associating with someone who incited a mob to storm the Capitol at the very least seems risky. They seem to think they can control him and ride the coat tails of a movement that wants to see the world burn.
Obama inherited US military presences in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, you can say that he also ordered drone strikes in Libya, Yemen and Somalia (plus sending helicopters into Pakistan), I didn't notice him launching a new foreign war. Plus, if you're going to say that Trump didn't initiate any, you also have to account for the fact that the number of foreign drone strikes per year were basically unchanged. Only under Biden has the US taken a step back from bombing others,
Bush (W) - certainly did initiate wars. But prior to the US being actually attacked in 2001, I don't remember the US actually initiating any.
Clinton. The Balkans. But was that actually a war?
Bush (HW) - Iraq. But... the again, the US didn't exactly start that either,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/03/republican-party-democracy-political-violence-trumpism
Across what was once called the Free World, governments and parties of the right are dismantling the democracies, the liberties and freedoms they claim so loudly to believe in. You see it in the US, the UK, Hungary, Poland, Slovenia, India, Brazil and so on. It's terrifying, quite frankly. But even more terrifying is that they are doing it with the acquiescence of so many.
That applies to the left as well, and I do recognise that we need to rein in the cancel culture stuff. But in the anglosphere, very few on the left have actually thought about conspiring to subvert the electoral process, which is overtly accepted by many Republicans in the US and I think not entirely absent over here.
But if you start to get to the point where the other side thinks it is being literally prevented from winning elections by unfair means, then they start looking around for non-democratic ways of opposition. Suppose Trump had succeeded in overturning Biden's election. Would it have been unnatural for opponents to start looking at organising riots, carrying arms, etc.?0 -
Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=200 -
NZ 62/9. Ajaz Patel now batting. Need 64 more to avoid follow on.
Edit - 62 all out0 -
I thought Starmer was a Surrey boy?HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=200 -
Yes, and in North Shropshire they have the perfect opportunity to do so.Foxy said:
The new bill on police powers restricting and criminalising peaceful protest should be of much greater concern. Sooner or later Conservatives are going to want to protest.SouthamObserver said:
We have multiple, very loud, defenders of liberty, freedom and democracy on here who are perfectly relaxed to see them all attacked by the government they support.StuartDickson said:
We have a poster on here who gladly praises Franco.moonshine said:
I must say I had to twice check the name of the poster who just gave a relatively flattering description of Le Pen. Not because I think he’s wrong, I don’t follow it closely enough to have a view one way or the other. But because certainly five years ago it would have been gross unthink to have voiced it out loud, her winning being unimaginable to the chattering classes. That there Overton window is shifting for sure.Jonathan said:
Did you see his video? There was a line in there that stood out, he celebrated that French armies had conquered Europe and the world. He’s quite different. He might not win this time, but it’s what follows that bothers me. The fact you can say that you like Le Pen, leading a rebranded National Front, demonstrates how far the world has moved, Who’s to say it is not going to continue to move in that direction and Zemmour will win one day.rcs1000 said:
I think a Le Pen victory over Macron is a very real possibility (certainly greater than a 20% chance, assuming Le Pen v Macron).darkage said:On the French election; my approach has been to back both Zemmour and Le Pen at 10/1.
So it is 5/1 that one them will a) get through to the final (very likely) and beat Macron (a greater than 20% possibility, in my view).
Edit - it seems to me that there is more value in this approach than laying Macron at the current odds.
But like Quincel, I don't think much of Zemmour's chances.
Le Pen is an economic nationalist. I quite like her. I don't think she's a racist or a loon. I don't think her prescription (i.e. more state intervention to ensure business was doing the right thing) would do France much good, but she's a sincere woman, doing her bit for the downtrodden in France, and good for her.
Zemmour, though, is just another boring bar room anti-Anglo Saxon French intellectual. He's like if Macron, De Gaulle, Chirac or Sarkozy chose to become detached from reality, and started making shit up, because the glory of France is so great that one can forgive everything in it's name.
What does he offer someone whose job has been lost to globalisation or competition from Eastern Europe?
Nothing.
Let me put it another way: it is very lazy to assume that Le Pen and Zemmour are fishing in the same pool.1 -
All over now! NZ trail by 263.BlancheLivermore said:NZ 62/9. Ajaz Patel now batting. Need 64 more to avoid follow on.
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One thing that we underestimate is how extensive world trade/exchange was before written history started. Great nations rose and fell that we know little of besides a few physical artefacts.IshmaelZ said:
wiki thinks no tin in CyprusOldKingCole said:
Point noted. I think there was tin in what we now call Afghanistan, wasn't there. Thought Cyprus was copper, hence the name.moonshine said:
Iron’s melting point is about 500°C hotter than copper’s. There was plenty of tin in Cyprus and Cornwall and bits and price elsewhere. But yes, it did require a stable system of trade to make bigger Bronze Age civs thrive.OldKingCole said:
It has been an intermittent source of idle questioning for me as to why bronze became so widely used. While it's harder than copper alone, the best 'mixer' tin, isn't that widely available.IshmaelZ said:
He got that from a Wilbur Smith novel. Smith describes very credibly what happens when you take a bronze sword to an iron sword fight, might as well be made of chocolate. Never tried but I can see how it might be true given how bendy copper is.OldKingCole said:
'Went' to a Zoom recently where the speaker argued that the use of iron in war equipment at the Battle of Kadesh around BC1274 signalled the end of bronze in military weapons and their replacement by iron.moonshine said:
I was watching a video yesterday about the great Bronze Age collapse. As you do. Numerous seemingly strong Mediterranean civilisations all withering away inside a human lifetime.SouthamObserver said:
Trump did not start a war, but controls a Republican party that has all but rejected democracy and embraced violence as a means to secure the outcomes it wants.Jonathan said:
As I understand it Trump not starting a war had more to do with the chiefs of staff rather than Trump’s judgement.rcs1000 said:
OK.moonshine said:
Trump was the first President in 40 years not to launch a new foreign war. Bandying about Hitler is not a particularly insightful comparison to make and is almost certainly counter productive in winning round Trump voters to your pov.OldKingCole said:
The conservative militarists in 30's Germany thought they could control Hitler. That didn't well.Jonathan said:There are intelligent, fairly serious republicans that go along with Trump because he is a winner. I don’t understand that either. I appreciate that you want to retain your seat, but associating with someone who incited a mob to storm the Capitol at the very least seems risky. They seem to think they can control him and ride the coat tails of a movement that wants to see the world burn.
Obama inherited US military presences in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, you can say that he also ordered drone strikes in Libya, Yemen and Somalia (plus sending helicopters into Pakistan), I didn't notice him launching a new foreign war. Plus, if you're going to say that Trump didn't initiate any, you also have to account for the fact that the number of foreign drone strikes per year were basically unchanged. Only under Biden has the US taken a step back from bombing others,
Bush (W) - certainly did initiate wars. But prior to the US being actually attacked in 2001, I don't remember the US actually initiating any.
Clinton. The Balkans. But was that actually a war?
Bush (HW) - Iraq. But... the again, the US didn't exactly start that either,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/03/republican-party-democracy-political-violence-trumpism
Across what was once called the Free World, governments and parties of the right are dismantling the democracies, the liberties and freedoms they claim so loudly to believe in. You see it in the US, the UK, Hungary, Poland, Slovenia, India, Brazil and so on. It's terrifying, quite frankly. But even more terrifying is that they are doing it with the acquiescence of so many.
What we have is a very fragile thing indeed, arguably even more so than for the ancients, because interconnectedness brings vulnerability as well as wealth and our interconnectedness is beyond compare.
Which is why I would relegate levelling up behind strategic resilience in my policy agenda. Making sure that the light of reason survives the 21st century in a thriving state should be our very highest priority.
Somewhat over-simplified, I thought; unlikely that one event was so crucial and anyway, what was happening in other parts of the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_sources_and_trade_in_ancient_times#Europe
and
"While there are a few sources of cassiterite in Central Asia, namely in Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Afghanistan, that show signs of having been exploited starting around 2000 BC (Cierny & Weisgerber 2003, p. 28), archaeologists disagree about whether they were significant sources of tin for the earliest Bronze Age cultures of the Middle East (Dayton 2003; Muhly 1973; Maddin 1998; Stech & Pigott 1986)."0 -
Born in Southwark, raised in Surrey, lives in North London and does not like Peppa Pig or Brexit, not exactly tailor made to win back the working class or lower middle class voters for Labour Boris won in 2019OldKingCole said:
I thought Starmer was a Surrey boy?HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=200 -
Besides, most parents reading that will know about Peppa Pig World, and nod along in wry agreement.OldKingCole said:
I thought Starmer was a Surrey boy?HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
(Been there, done that, got the Daddy Pig hoddie.)1 -
Dr. Foxy, tends to make me think of lapis lazuli from Afghanistan showing up in Ancient Egypt (the blue does go very well with gold).0
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Stonehenge had visitors from all over Western Europe long before recorded history. Writing seems to have been the big break-through.Foxy said:
One thing that we underestimate is how extensive world trade/exchange was before written history started. Great nations rose and fell that we know little of besides a few physical artefacts.IshmaelZ said:
wiki thinks no tin in CyprusOldKingCole said:
Point noted. I think there was tin in what we now call Afghanistan, wasn't there. Thought Cyprus was copper, hence the name.moonshine said:
Iron’s melting point is about 500°C hotter than copper’s. There was plenty of tin in Cyprus and Cornwall and bits and price elsewhere. But yes, it did require a stable system of trade to make bigger Bronze Age civs thrive.OldKingCole said:
It has been an intermittent source of idle questioning for me as to why bronze became so widely used. While it's harder than copper alone, the best 'mixer' tin, isn't that widely available.IshmaelZ said:
He got that from a Wilbur Smith novel. Smith describes very credibly what happens when you take a bronze sword to an iron sword fight, might as well be made of chocolate. Never tried but I can see how it might be true given how bendy copper is.OldKingCole said:
'Went' to a Zoom recently where the speaker argued that the use of iron in war equipment at the Battle of Kadesh around BC1274 signalled the end of bronze in military weapons and their replacement by iron.moonshine said:
I was watching a video yesterday about the great Bronze Age collapse. As you do. Numerous seemingly strong Mediterranean civilisations all withering away inside a human lifetime.SouthamObserver said:
Trump did not start a war, but controls a Republican party that has all but rejected democracy and embraced violence as a means to secure the outcomes it wants.Jonathan said:
As I understand it Trump not starting a war had more to do with the chiefs of staff rather than Trump’s judgement.rcs1000 said:
OK.moonshine said:
Trump was the first President in 40 years not to launch a new foreign war. Bandying about Hitler is not a particularly insightful comparison to make and is almost certainly counter productive in winning round Trump voters to your pov.OldKingCole said:
The conservative militarists in 30's Germany thought they could control Hitler. That didn't well.Jonathan said:There are intelligent, fairly serious republicans that go along with Trump because he is a winner. I don’t understand that either. I appreciate that you want to retain your seat, but associating with someone who incited a mob to storm the Capitol at the very least seems risky. They seem to think they can control him and ride the coat tails of a movement that wants to see the world burn.
Obama inherited US military presences in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, you can say that he also ordered drone strikes in Libya, Yemen and Somalia (plus sending helicopters into Pakistan), I didn't notice him launching a new foreign war. Plus, if you're going to say that Trump didn't initiate any, you also have to account for the fact that the number of foreign drone strikes per year were basically unchanged. Only under Biden has the US taken a step back from bombing others,
Bush (W) - certainly did initiate wars. But prior to the US being actually attacked in 2001, I don't remember the US actually initiating any.
Clinton. The Balkans. But was that actually a war?
Bush (HW) - Iraq. But... the again, the US didn't exactly start that either,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/03/republican-party-democracy-political-violence-trumpism
Across what was once called the Free World, governments and parties of the right are dismantling the democracies, the liberties and freedoms they claim so loudly to believe in. You see it in the US, the UK, Hungary, Poland, Slovenia, India, Brazil and so on. It's terrifying, quite frankly. But even more terrifying is that they are doing it with the acquiescence of so many.
What we have is a very fragile thing indeed, arguably even more so than for the ancients, because interconnectedness brings vulnerability as well as wealth and our interconnectedness is beyond compare.
Which is why I would relegate levelling up behind strategic resilience in my policy agenda. Making sure that the light of reason survives the 21st century in a thriving state should be our very highest priority.
Somewhat over-simplified, I thought; unlikely that one event was so crucial and anyway, what was happening in other parts of the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_sources_and_trade_in_ancient_times#Europe
and
"While there are a few sources of cassiterite in Central Asia, namely in Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Afghanistan, that show signs of having been exploited starting around 2000 BC (Cierny & Weisgerber 2003, p. 28), archaeologists disagree about whether they were significant sources of tin for the earliest Bronze Age cultures of the Middle East (Dayton 2003; Muhly 1973; Maddin 1998; Stech & Pigott 1986)."0 -
HYUFD said:
Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
A North London intellectual snob. Hmm ; is that Boris Johnson, when he was living in Islington, paying effusive tribute in print to London's multiculturalism in order to be elected mayor, and getting paid by the BBC to swan off to Italy to make programmes about the make-up of the Roman Empire ?
A couple of years later, on other hand, he was in the Commons ranting about a "Surrender Bill" and whipping up the far right, at the behest of Cummings. A Peter Sellers-like chameleon.1 -
NZ only lasted 28.1 overs and scored 62OldKingCole said:
All over now! NZ trail by 263.BlancheLivermore said:NZ 62/9. Ajaz Patel now batting. Need 64 more to avoid follow on.
Patel bowled 47.5 and conceded 119 for his 10 wickets0 -
The key difference is that the individual concerned broke the law and was convicted. In countries such as the US, the UK, Hungary and Poland the right is actively legislating to change the law in a way that erodes democracy and freedom.NickPalmer said:
Absolutely - no side is completely innocent. But there's nothing on the nationally organised scale we're seeing the States.Fysics_Teacher said:
There has been at least one high profile left winger in the UK who subverted the electoral process: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32428648NickPalmer said:
Yes, it reflects the football crowd mentality of much of politics - things our side do may be regrettable but they're still our guys, and sneering at the other side takes precedence. The belief in freedom of expression and fair elections is seen by many as an abstract concept which they take for granted without applying it to anything that's actually happening.SouthamObserver said:
Trump did not start a war, but controls a Republican party that has all but rejected democracy and embraced violence as a means to secure the outcomes it wants.Jonathan said:
As I understand it Trump not starting a war had more to do with the chiefs of staff rather than Trump’s judgement.rcs1000 said:
OK.moonshine said:
Trump was the first President in 40 years not to launch a new foreign war. Bandying about Hitler is not a particularly insightful comparison to make and is almost certainly counter productive in winning round Trump voters to your pov.OldKingCole said:
The conservative militarists in 30's Germany thought they could control Hitler. That didn't well.Jonathan said:There are intelligent, fairly serious republicans that go along with Trump because he is a winner. I don’t understand that either. I appreciate that you want to retain your seat, but associating with someone who incited a mob to storm the Capitol at the very least seems risky. They seem to think they can control him and ride the coat tails of a movement that wants to see the world burn.
Obama inherited US military presences in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, you can say that he also ordered drone strikes in Libya, Yemen and Somalia (plus sending helicopters into Pakistan), I didn't notice him launching a new foreign war. Plus, if you're going to say that Trump didn't initiate any, you also have to account for the fact that the number of foreign drone strikes per year were basically unchanged. Only under Biden has the US taken a step back from bombing others,
Bush (W) - certainly did initiate wars. But prior to the US being actually attacked in 2001, I don't remember the US actually initiating any.
Clinton. The Balkans. But was that actually a war?
Bush (HW) - Iraq. But... the again, the US didn't exactly start that either,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/03/republican-party-democracy-political-violence-trumpism
Across what was once called the Free World, governments and parties of the right are dismantling the democracies, the liberties and freedoms they claim so loudly to believe in. You see it in the US, the UK, Hungary, Poland, Slovenia, India, Brazil and so on. It's terrifying, quite frankly. But even more terrifying is that they are doing it with the acquiescence of so many.
That applies to the left as well, and I do recognise that we need to rein in the cancel culture stuff. But in the anglosphere, very few on the left have actually thought about conspiring to subvert the electoral process, which is overtly accepted by many Republicans in the US and I think not entirely absent over here.
But if you start to get to the point where the other side thinks it is being literally prevented from winning elections by unfair means, then they start looking around for non-democratic ways of opposition. Suppose Trump had succeeded in overturning Biden's election. Would it have been unnatural for opponents to start looking at organising riots, carrying arms, etc.?
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Surely CCHQ will now be preparing an ad this week saying vote Starmer and Peppa Pig gets it?Stuartinromford said:
Besides, most parents reading that will know about Peppa Pig World, and nod along in wry agreement.OldKingCole said:
I thought Starmer was a Surrey boy?HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
(Been there, done that, got the Daddy Pig hoddie.)
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Hang on. Is Peppa Pig the authentic marker of working class identity now?0
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Boris can also do populist and likes Peppa Pig and Brexit unlike Starmer.WhisperingOracle said:HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
A North London intellectual snob - is that Boris Johnson, when he was living in Islington, paying effusive tribute to London's multiculturalism in print in order to be elected mayor of London, and getting paid by the BBC to swan off to Italy to make programmes about the make-up of the Roman Empire ?HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
A couple of years later, then again, he was in the Commons ranting about a "Surrender Bill" and whipping up the far right. A man of elastic views.
Boris was also brought up mainly on Exmoor0 -
LOL! He wasn't prepared to say that only women have a cervix but doesn't mind launching a completely unwarranted attack on poor Peppa Pig.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
The general election campaign with SKS is going to be fun...
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You're not a parent, are you HYUFD? :-DHYUFD said:
Born in Southwark, raised in Surrey, lives in North London and does not like Peppa Pig or Brexit, not exactly tailor made to win back the working class or lower middle class voters for Labour Boris won in 2019OldKingCole said:
I thought Starmer was a Surrey boy?HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
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In your haste to gain half a smidgeon of party advantage you've missed the point; SKS said nothing about not liking Peppa herself; it's the 'World' he doesn't like.HYUFD said:
Born in Southwark, raised in Surrey, lives in North London and does not like Peppa Pig or Brexit, not exactly tailor made to win back the working class or lower middle class voters for Labour Boris won in 2019OldKingCole said:
I thought Starmer was a Surrey boy?HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
Same, I suspect, applies to Disneyworld and other theme parks.
I quite enjoyed watching the TV with Youngest Grandchild, and watching her reactions; don't think I'd enjoy a 'World'.3 -
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I always thought so on Civ 3.OldKingCole said:
Stonehenge had visitors from all over Western Europe long before recorded history. Writing seems to have been the big break-through.Foxy said:
One thing that we underestimate is how extensive world trade/exchange was before written history started. Great nations rose and fell that we know little of besides a few physical artefacts.IshmaelZ said:
wiki thinks no tin in CyprusOldKingCole said:
Point noted. I think there was tin in what we now call Afghanistan, wasn't there. Thought Cyprus was copper, hence the name.moonshine said:
Iron’s melting point is about 500°C hotter than copper’s. There was plenty of tin in Cyprus and Cornwall and bits and price elsewhere. But yes, it did require a stable system of trade to make bigger Bronze Age civs thrive.OldKingCole said:
It has been an intermittent source of idle questioning for me as to why bronze became so widely used. While it's harder than copper alone, the best 'mixer' tin, isn't that widely available.IshmaelZ said:
He got that from a Wilbur Smith novel. Smith describes very credibly what happens when you take a bronze sword to an iron sword fight, might as well be made of chocolate. Never tried but I can see how it might be true given how bendy copper is.OldKingCole said:
'Went' to a Zoom recently where the speaker argued that the use of iron in war equipment at the Battle of Kadesh around BC1274 signalled the end of bronze in military weapons and their replacement by iron.moonshine said:
I was watching a video yesterday about the great Bronze Age collapse. As you do. Numerous seemingly strong Mediterranean civilisations all withering away inside a human lifetime.SouthamObserver said:
Trump did not start a war, but controls a Republican party that has all but rejected democracy and embraced violence as a means to secure the outcomes it wants.Jonathan said:
As I understand it Trump not starting a war had more to do with the chiefs of staff rather than Trump’s judgement.rcs1000 said:
OK.moonshine said:
Trump was the first President in 40 years not to launch a new foreign war. Bandying about Hitler is not a particularly insightful comparison to make and is almost certainly counter productive in winning round Trump voters to your pov.OldKingCole said:
The conservative militarists in 30's Germany thought they could control Hitler. That didn't well.Jonathan said:There are intelligent, fairly serious republicans that go along with Trump because he is a winner. I don’t understand that either. I appreciate that you want to retain your seat, but associating with someone who incited a mob to storm the Capitol at the very least seems risky. They seem to think they can control him and ride the coat tails of a movement that wants to see the world burn.
Obama inherited US military presences in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, you can say that he also ordered drone strikes in Libya, Yemen and Somalia (plus sending helicopters into Pakistan), I didn't notice him launching a new foreign war. Plus, if you're going to say that Trump didn't initiate any, you also have to account for the fact that the number of foreign drone strikes per year were basically unchanged. Only under Biden has the US taken a step back from bombing others,
Bush (W) - certainly did initiate wars. But prior to the US being actually attacked in 2001, I don't remember the US actually initiating any.
Clinton. The Balkans. But was that actually a war?
Bush (HW) - Iraq. But... the again, the US didn't exactly start that either,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/03/republican-party-democracy-political-violence-trumpism
Across what was once called the Free World, governments and parties of the right are dismantling the democracies, the liberties and freedoms they claim so loudly to believe in. You see it in the US, the UK, Hungary, Poland, Slovenia, India, Brazil and so on. It's terrifying, quite frankly. But even more terrifying is that they are doing it with the acquiescence of so many.
What we have is a very fragile thing indeed, arguably even more so than for the ancients, because interconnectedness brings vulnerability as well as wealth and our interconnectedness is beyond compare.
Which is why I would relegate levelling up behind strategic resilience in my policy agenda. Making sure that the light of reason survives the 21st century in a thriving state should be our very highest priority.
Somewhat over-simplified, I thought; unlikely that one event was so crucial and anyway, what was happening in other parts of the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_sources_and_trade_in_ancient_times#Europe
and
"While there are a few sources of cassiterite in Central Asia, namely in Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Afghanistan, that show signs of having been exploited starting around 2000 BC (Cierny & Weisgerber 2003, p. 28), archaeologists disagree about whether they were significant sources of tin for the earliest Bronze Age cultures of the Middle East (Dayton 2003; Muhly 1973; Maddin 1998; Stech & Pigott 1986)."
Remember arguing this with the Head who was subbing, and had clearly prepared a class on the wheel being the most significant invention in history.
He didn't like me pointing out MesoAmerica thrived without it. Shortly after I was blackballed for the prefect gig.0 -
I hope you are chuckling over your posts and enjoying the reaction to them!HYUFD said:
Not just working class, Peppa Pig is popular with virtually all parents bar it seems left of centre North London intellectualsdixiedean said:Hang on. Is Peppa Pig the authentic marker of working class identity now?
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First omicron case in my wife's hospital (someone with recent travel to South Africa). They have a PCR machine in the emergency department, everyone admitted gets tested. Then they send all positive cases to a local lab to be sequenced (this has been the procedure for quite a long time already). The idea is to be able to isolate people with different variants separately if they run out of space to isolate everyone individually. But every hospital is a bit different.
So far as I know, this sequencing isn't being counted by the RKI, or anywhere nationally. But variants of concern should be notified to the state authorities - which is why you hear about omicron cases from Bundesland authorities. It's kind of mad after all this time that the national government doesn't really have a hold on what is going on.
Anyway, let's see. So far the cases I hear about have mild symptoms (but different to typical symptoms of previous variants)0 -
If Peppa Pig made 6bn, she is obviously a capitalist.
Therefore unacceptable to North London public sector millionaire types who made most of their money through property prices without doing any work for it at all.
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As OKC says, it's about PP World not Ms PP. There's the small matter of how much it costs to read a PP book (which might have come from the library, at least for now) versus how much it costs to have a day out at PP World.MattW said:If Peppa Pig made 6bn, she is obviously a capitalist.
Therefore unacceptable to North London public sector types who made most of their money through property prices without doing any work for it at all.
Also - the capital gain is true of anyone who bought a house in London before the recent growth in value. Can't very well blame SKS for that, unless you don't like donkeys.0 -
Is it antivaxxer hour again on PB?0
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This new front of Peppa Pig in the culture war is one of the most amusing things I've read in a very long time.HYUFD said:
Not just working class, Peppa Pig is popular with virtually all parents bar it seems left of centre North London intellectualsdixiedean said:Hang on. Is Peppa Pig the authentic marker of working class identity now?
Aux Barricades pour le cochon and contre les bourgeois, mes amis !5 -
Whatever you think of Blair or even Corbyn, neither of them would have made that gaffe. Boris certainly wouldn't have done, they would instinctively have realised it would make them seem aloof and out of touch.GIN1138 said:
LOL! He wasn't prepared to say that only women have a cervix but doesn't mind launching a completely unwarranted attack on poor Peppa Pig.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
The general election campaign with SKS is going to be fun...
Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.
He has made efforts to move Labour back to the centre and is able to use his legal skills to interrogate Boris at PMQs but he still lacks charisma and the common touch.
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Let's hope so!HYUFD said:
Surely CCHQ will now be preparing an ad this week saying vote Starmer and Peppa Pig gets it?Stuartinromford said:
Besides, most parents reading that will know about Peppa Pig World, and nod along in wry agreement.OldKingCole said:
I thought Starmer was a Surrey boy?HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
(Been there, done that, got the Daddy Pig hoddie.)1 -
I remember finding somewhere that 'illiterate' Bronze and Iron Age coastal peoples worked out tide tables and required trainee sailors to memorise them. Early Polynesians did very well with rote-learning of star patterns, too.dixiedean said:
I always thought so on Civ 3.OldKingCole said:
Stonehenge had visitors from all over Western Europe long before recorded history. Writing seems to have been the big break-through.Foxy said:
One thing that we underestimate is how extensive world trade/exchange was before written history started. Great nations rose and fell that we know little of besides a few physical artefacts.IshmaelZ said:
wiki thinks no tin in CyprusOldKingCole said:
Point noted. I think there was tin in what we now call Afghanistan, wasn't there. Thought Cyprus was copper, hence the name.moonshine said:
Iron’s melting point is about 500°C hotter than copper’s. There was plenty of tin in Cyprus and Cornwall and bits and price elsewhere. But yes, it did require a stable system of trade to make bigger Bronze Age civs thrive.OldKingCole said:
It has been an intermittent source of idle questioning for me as to why bronze became so widely used. While it's harder than copper alone, the best 'mixer' tin, isn't that widely available.IshmaelZ said:
He got that from a Wilbur Smith novel. Smith describes very credibly what happens when you take a bronze sword to an iron sword fight, might as well be made of chocolate. Never tried but I can see how it might be true given how bendy copper is.OldKingCole said:
'Went' to a Zoom recently where the speaker argued that the use of iron in war equipment at the Battle of Kadesh around BC1274 signalled the end of bronze in military weapons and their replacement by iron.moonshine said:
I was watching a video yesterday about the great Bronze Age collapse. As you do. Numerous seemingly strong Mediterranean civilisations all withering away inside a human lifetime.SouthamObserver said:
Trump did not start a war, but controls a Republican party that has all but rejected democracy and embraced violence as a means to secure the outcomes it wants.Jonathan said:
As I understand it Trump not starting a war had more to do with the chiefs of staff rather than Trump’s judgement.rcs1000 said:
OK.moonshine said:
Trump was the first President in 40 years not to launch a new foreign war. Bandying about Hitler is not a particularly insightful comparison to make and is almost certainly counter productive in winning round Trump voters to your pov.OldKingCole said:
The conservative militarists in 30's Germany thought they could control Hitler. That didn't well.Jonathan said:There are intelligent, fairly serious republicans that go along with Trump because he is a winner. I don’t understand that either. I appreciate that you want to retain your seat, but associating with someone who incited a mob to storm the Capitol at the very least seems risky. They seem to think they can control him and ride the coat tails of a movement that wants to see the world burn.
Obama inherited US military presences in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, you can say that he also ordered drone strikes in Libya, Yemen and Somalia (plus sending helicopters into Pakistan), I didn't notice him launching a new foreign war. Plus, if you're going to say that Trump didn't initiate any, you also have to account for the fact that the number of foreign drone strikes per year were basically unchanged. Only under Biden has the US taken a step back from bombing others,
Bush (W) - certainly did initiate wars. But prior to the US being actually attacked in 2001, I don't remember the US actually initiating any.
Clinton. The Balkans. But was that actually a war?
Bush (HW) - Iraq. But... the again, the US didn't exactly start that either,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/03/republican-party-democracy-political-violence-trumpism
Across what was once called the Free World, governments and parties of the right are dismantling the democracies, the liberties and freedoms they claim so loudly to believe in. You see it in the US, the UK, Hungary, Poland, Slovenia, India, Brazil and so on. It's terrifying, quite frankly. But even more terrifying is that they are doing it with the acquiescence of so many.
What we have is a very fragile thing indeed, arguably even more so than for the ancients, because interconnectedness brings vulnerability as well as wealth and our interconnectedness is beyond compare.
Which is why I would relegate levelling up behind strategic resilience in my policy agenda. Making sure that the light of reason survives the 21st century in a thriving state should be our very highest priority.
Somewhat over-simplified, I thought; unlikely that one event was so crucial and anyway, what was happening in other parts of the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_sources_and_trade_in_ancient_times#Europe
and
"While there are a few sources of cassiterite in Central Asia, namely in Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Afghanistan, that show signs of having been exploited starting around 2000 BC (Cierny & Weisgerber 2003, p. 28), archaeologists disagree about whether they were significant sources of tin for the earliest Bronze Age cultures of the Middle East (Dayton 2003; Muhly 1973; Maddin 1998; Stech & Pigott 1986)."
Remember arguing this with the Head who was subbing, and had clearly prepared a class on the wheel being the most significant invention in history.
He didn't like me pointing out MesoAmerica thrived without it. Shortly after I was blackballed for the prefect gig.0 -
Hoddie?Stuartinromford said:
Besides, most parents reading that will know about Peppa Pig World, and nod along in wry agreement.OldKingCole said:
I thought Starmer was a Surrey boy?HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
(Been there, done that, got the Daddy Pig hoddie.)
A bricklayer on the side.
Very Churchillian!0 -
In the other hand, Madame Gazelle, migrant working in a school, definitely Remain and some sort of lefty tactical voter.MattW said:If Peppa Pig made 6bn, she is obviously a capitalist.
Therefore unacceptable to North London public sector millionaire types who made most of their money through property prices without doing any work for it at all.1 -
Haver you ever been to Peppa Pig World, HYUFD? Many parents have. They know it for rip-off prices, long queues and sub-standard attractions. If the Tories seriously want to attack Starmer for that then it will just emphasise their total lack of seriousness. Good!HYUFD said:
Whatever you think of Blair or even Corbyn, neither of them would have made that gaffe. Boris certainly wouldn't have done, they would instinctively have realised it would make them seem aloof and out of touch.GIN1138 said:
LOL! He wasn't prepared to say that only women have a cervix but doesn't mind launching a completely unwarranted attack on poor Peppa Pig.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
The general election campaign with SKS is going to be fun...
Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.
He has made efforts to move Labour back to the centre and is able to use his legal skills to interrogate Boris at PMQs but he still lacks charisma and the common touch.
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All of these ‘fun worlds’ are a living hell, and you don’t need to be a grandfather to know that.OldKingCole said:
In your haste to gain half a smidgeon of party advantage you've missed the point; SKS said nothing about not liking Peppa herself; it's the 'World' he doesn't like.HYUFD said:
Born in Southwark, raised in Surrey, lives in North London and does not like Peppa Pig or Brexit, not exactly tailor made to win back the working class or lower middle class voters for Labour Boris won in 2019OldKingCole said:
I thought Starmer was a Surrey boy?HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
Same, I suspect, applies to Disneyworld and other theme parks.
I quite enjoyed watching the TV with Youngest Grandchild, and watching her reactions; don't think I'd enjoy a 'World'.0 -
Slagging off Peppa Pig World - what a wrong ‘un…GIN1138 said:
LOL! He wasn't prepared to say that only women have a cervix but doesn't mind launching a completely unwarranted attack on poor Peppa Pig.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
The general election campaign with SKS is going to be fun...
I doubt Boris’ rambling references to it were somehow a stroke of cryptic genius, but Keir’s response is truly beyond the pale.1 -
I have been there a couple of times, when it was known as Paultons Park with Fox Jr and his grandparents. The go carts aren't too bad, but otherwise I am with SKS!HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=201 -
Also invites the memory, and indeed the repeat viewing of innumerable "Mr Johnson's idea of a serious speech to one of the most important groups in UK business" clips.SouthamObserver said:
Haver you ever been to Peppa Pig World, HYUFD? Many parents have. They know it for rip-off prices, long queues and sub-standard attractions. If the Tories seriously want to attack Starmer for that then it will just emphasise their total lack of seriousness. Good!HYUFD said:
Whatever you think of Blair or even Corbyn, neither of them would have made that gaffe. Boris certainly wouldn't have done, they would instinctively have realised it would make them seem aloof and out of touch.GIN1138 said:
LOL! He wasn't prepared to say that only women have a cervix but doesn't mind launching a completely unwarranted attack on poor Peppa Pig.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
The general election campaign with SKS is going to be fun...
Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.
He has made efforts to move Labour back to the centre and is able to use his legal skills to interrogate Boris at PMQs but he still lacks charisma and the common touch.1 -
“ Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.”HYUFD said:
Whatever you think of Blair or even Corbyn, neither of them would have made that gaffe. Boris certainly wouldn't have done, they would instinctively have realised it would make them seem aloof and out of touch.GIN1138 said:
LOL! He wasn't prepared to say that only women have a cervix but doesn't mind launching a completely unwarranted attack on poor Peppa Pig.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
The general election campaign with SKS is going to be fun...
Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.
He has made efforts to move Labour back to the centre and is able to use his legal skills to interrogate Boris at PMQs but he still lacks charisma and the common touch.
Compared to Every screw up the government has done in the last few months, is this all you got now? 🤷♀️2 -
Why?Northstar said:
Slagging off Peppa Pig World - what a wrong ‘un…GIN1138 said:
LOL! He wasn't prepared to say that only women have a cervix but doesn't mind launching a completely unwarranted attack on poor Peppa Pig.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
The general election campaign with SKS is going to be fun...
I doubt Boris’ rambling references to it were somehow a stroke of cryptic genius, but Keir’s response is truly beyond the pale.0 -
But then they'll be complicit in the assault on Peppa Pig, won't they? Oh, democratic choice is so HARD.Cicero said:
Yes, and in North Shropshire they have the perfect opportunity to do so.Foxy said:
The new bill on police powers restricting and criminalising peaceful protest should be of much greater concern. Sooner or later Conservatives are going to want to protest.2 -
Besides, I'm not sure that keeping Peppa Pig in the news (now it's associated with the PM sounding like an idiot) is entirely to the PM's advantage.MoonRabbit said:
“ Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.”HYUFD said:
Whatever you think of Blair or even Corbyn, neither of them would have made that gaffe. Boris certainly wouldn't have done, they would instinctively have realised it would make them seem aloof and out of touch.GIN1138 said:
LOL! He wasn't prepared to say that only women have a cervix but doesn't mind launching a completely unwarranted attack on poor Peppa Pig.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
The general election campaign with SKS is going to be fun...
Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.
He has made efforts to move Labour back to the centre and is able to use his legal skills to interrogate Boris at PMQs but he still lacks charisma and the common touch.
Compared to Every screw up the government has done in the last few months, is this all you got now? 🤷♀️5 -
Worse than that - Peppa Pigate is kicking off. 🐖Anabobazina said:Is it antivaxxer hour again on PB?
I’m off to make spicy chicken and lemon pizza.1 -
There was a very successful Essex bowler some years ago nicknamed 'Hoddie' because each winter he'd go back to the family building firm.MattW said:
Hoddie?Stuartinromford said:
Besides, most parents reading that will know about Peppa Pig World, and nod along in wry agreement.OldKingCole said:
I thought Starmer was a Surrey boy?HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
(Been there, done that, got the Daddy Pig hoddie.)
A bricklayer on the side.
Very Churchillian!0 -
LOLMoonRabbit said:
“ Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.”HYUFD said:
Whatever you think of Blair or even Corbyn, neither of them would have made that gaffe. Boris certainly wouldn't have done, they would instinctively have realised it would make them seem aloof and out of touch.GIN1138 said:
LOL! He wasn't prepared to say that only women have a cervix but doesn't mind launching a completely unwarranted attack on poor Peppa Pig.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
The general election campaign with SKS is going to be fun...
Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.
He has made efforts to move Labour back to the centre and is able to use his legal skills to interrogate Boris at PMQs but he still lacks charisma and the common touch.
Compared to Every screw up the government has done in the last few months, is this all you got now? 🤷♀️0 -
Quite often your posts are beyond parody. This nonetheless is a high ( or low?) point even for you.HYUFD said:
Whatever you think of Blair or even Corbyn, neither of them would have made that gaffe. Boris certainly wouldn't have done, they would instinctively have realised it would make them seem aloof and out of touch.GIN1138 said:
LOL! He wasn't prepared to say that only women have a cervix but doesn't mind launching a completely unwarranted attack on poor Peppa Pig.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
The general election campaign with SKS is going to be fun...
Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.
He has made efforts to move Labour back to the centre and is able to use his legal skills to interrogate Boris at PMQs but he still lacks charisma and the common touch.
Strangely you have a hatful of supporters jumping on your bandwagon.
Peppa Pig World could always sue Starmer, although that would continually remind us of the CBI speech.0 -
Have I got this right? The battleground for the next GE is going to be the Party Leaders' opinions of Peppa Pig World?
Doubtless Ed Davey will sit on the fence and remain studiously neutral.1 -
Someone liked this post. Out and out anti vax nonsense from a normally intelligent poster.IshmaelZ said:
But that is a gross and obvious error, and if you are happy to deal in unquantified concepts like "tiny minority" you must accept that vaccines are beginning to look as if they are in marzipan dildo utility country.Stocky said:
Sure. The public perception of risk has always been way off kilter. I recall a survey very early in the pandemic showing that those polled believed that 10% of the population had died from Covid. I'm not sure whether you are agreeing with my original post or not?IshmaelZ said:
The situation before vaccines was: ""horrible and debilitating for a few weeks" is the typical experience of the Covid victim. Either that or no symptoms at all. A tiny minority of covid victims die."Stocky said:
Yes, same here, for sure "horrible and debilitating for a few weeks" is the typical experience of the vaccinated. Either that or no symptoms at all. A tiny minority of the vaccinated die. We always knew that no vaccine will be 100% effective.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Yes every adult I know who has caught Covid recently has been double jabbed. It's mostly not been life threatening (although I know of someone, early 40s, double jabbed, no underlying conditions, who died) but without fail it's been horrible and debilitating and most have been surprised at how long it's taken to fully recover. I am still far from 100% three weeks after catching it.TOPPING said:I don't get the omigod Omicron affects the double jabbed thing.
I and plenty of my friends have had Covid since being double jabbed. Like the flu for a couple of days in my case and a bit longer for others.
This is of course no comment on the potency or otherwise or the transmissibility of Omicron just that it's strange to see such shock headlines.
Yet ALL positives are included in the 4pm gloom-fest new infection figures - despite infections not being remotely equal in significance.
We need to know how close our medical system is to collapse. Publishing new infection figures is, post-vaccine, way too divorced from this aim and just serves to generate panic, eagerly stoked by the media.0 -
My main memory of Peppa Pig World and the adjacent Paulton’s Park is spending time with my kids there, having fun. They grew up watching Peppa Pig - and were excited to go in that way that only kids can be.Anabobazina said:
Why?Northstar said:
Slagging off Peppa Pig World - what a wrong ‘un…GIN1138 said:
LOL! He wasn't prepared to say that only women have a cervix but doesn't mind launching a completely unwarranted attack on poor Peppa Pig.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
The general election campaign with SKS is going to be fun...
I doubt Boris’ rambling references to it were somehow a stroke of cryptic genius, but Keir’s response is truly beyond the pale.
What does SKS find dreadful in that?0 -
Good morning all. I'm in Bradford, on my way to get boosted. While I have an appointment, there is also a walk in facility set up in the main shopping mall offering flu and Covid jabs. A decent queue has formed.
I shall report back later on which vax I get and any side effects.
Also, decent level of mask compliance on the train and in the shops. 80% as an estimate. No enforcement.0 -
So Peppa Pig world is a massive rip-off. The PM enjoyed it, the LOTO recognised it for what it was.Anabobazina said:
LOLMoonRabbit said:
“ Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.”HYUFD said:
Whatever you think of Blair or even Corbyn, neither of them would have made that gaffe. Boris certainly wouldn't have done, they would instinctively have realised it would make them seem aloof and out of touch.GIN1138 said:
LOL! He wasn't prepared to say that only women have a cervix but doesn't mind launching a completely unwarranted attack on poor Peppa Pig.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
The general election campaign with SKS is going to be fun...
Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.
He has made efforts to move Labour back to the centre and is able to use his legal skills to interrogate Boris at PMQs but he still lacks charisma and the common touch.
Compared to Every screw up the government has done in the last few months, is this all you got now? 🤷♀️
Our PM is profligate with money, the LOTO is prudent.6 -
India are batting again.-1
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2 day game probably not good for the BCCIOldKingCole said:India are batting again.
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(((Dan Hodges)))OldKingCole said:
So Peppa Pig world is a massive rip-off. The PM enjoyed it, the LOTO recognised it for what it was.Anabobazina said:
LOLMoonRabbit said:
“ Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.”HYUFD said:
Whatever you think of Blair or even Corbyn, neither of them would have made that gaffe. Boris certainly wouldn't have done, they would instinctively have realised it would make them seem aloof and out of touch.GIN1138 said:
LOL! He wasn't prepared to say that only women have a cervix but doesn't mind launching a completely unwarranted attack on poor Peppa Pig.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
The general election campaign with SKS is going to be fun...
Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.
He has made efforts to move Labour back to the centre and is able to use his legal skills to interrogate Boris at PMQs but he still lacks charisma and the common touch.
Compared to Every screw up the government has done in the last few months, is this all you got now? 🤷♀️
Our PM is profligate with money, the LOTO is prudent.
@DPJHodges
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There really is an Ed Miliband 2012 feel abut Starmer's leadership at the moment. His supporters are convinced he's making progress. Everyone else thinks he's flatlining.
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Anyone with kids knows that parks targeted at children are overpriced, but they charge it because they can.OldKingCole said:
So Peppa Pig world is a massive rip-off. The PM enjoyed it, the LOTO recognised it for what it was.Anabobazina said:
LOLMoonRabbit said:
“ Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.”HYUFD said:
Whatever you think of Blair or even Corbyn, neither of them would have made that gaffe. Boris certainly wouldn't have done, they would instinctively have realised it would make them seem aloof and out of touch.GIN1138 said:
LOL! He wasn't prepared to say that only women have a cervix but doesn't mind launching a completely unwarranted attack on poor Peppa Pig.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
The general election campaign with SKS is going to be fun...
Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.
He has made efforts to move Labour back to the centre and is able to use his legal skills to interrogate Boris at PMQs but he still lacks charisma and the common touch.
Compared to Every screw up the government has done in the last few months, is this all you got now? 🤷♀️
Our PM is profligate with money, the LOTO is prudent.0 -
Where does Peppa stand on lockdown for omicron? And has she been vaccinated? We need to know!MattW said:If Peppa Pig made 6bn, she is obviously a capitalist.
Therefore unacceptable to North London public sector millionaire types who made most of their money through property prices without doing any work for it at all.0 -
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While Alpha and Delta were 'pandemic variants', Omicron might become the first 'endemic variant' of many to come. ....
.....I don't believe there's much we can do besides encouraging further uptake of vaccines / boosters globally to keep morbidity and mortality as low as possible over the coming months.
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The LD's need radical, distinctive policies which sit outside the mainstream of the Culture War.Northern_Al said:Have I got this right? The battleground for the next GE is going to be the Party Leaders' opinions of Peppa Pig World?
Doubtless Ed Davey will sit on the fence and remain studiously neutral.
Expect a speech on Raa Raa the Noisy Lion.1 -
Colour me intrigued by Starmer’s response to Macron (“ugh”) in top interview with @EleniCourea and @Steven_Swinford
https://thetimes.co.uk/article/360efb3e-5471-11ec-8d72-b8ab431649b1?shareToken=3e227e52c4273289aa555f952a0dc7e0
https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1467083544929439747?s=200 -
The latter suggests that they are priced correctly!tlg86 said:
Anyone with kids knows that parks targeted at children are overpriced, but they charge it because they can.OldKingCole said:
So Peppa Pig world is a massive rip-off. The PM enjoyed it, the LOTO recognised it for what it was.Anabobazina said:
LOLMoonRabbit said:
“ Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.”HYUFD said:
Whatever you think of Blair or even Corbyn, neither of them would have made that gaffe. Boris certainly wouldn't have done, they would instinctively have realised it would make them seem aloof and out of touch.GIN1138 said:
LOL! He wasn't prepared to say that only women have a cervix but doesn't mind launching a completely unwarranted attack on poor Peppa Pig.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
The general election campaign with SKS is going to be fun...
Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.
He has made efforts to move Labour back to the centre and is able to use his legal skills to interrogate Boris at PMQs but he still lacks charisma and the common touch.
Compared to Every screw up the government has done in the last few months, is this all you got now? 🤷♀️
Our PM is profligate with money, the LOTO is prudent.0 -
Yes, I still don't understand why anyone is trying to make sense out of data from 22 cases, of which two had unknown vaccine status and all the ages are completely unknown and which vaccine they had is also completely unknown.Anabobazina said:
Someone liked this post. Out and out anti vax nonsense from a normally intelligent poster.IshmaelZ said:
But that is a gross and obvious error, and if you are happy to deal in unquantified concepts like "tiny minority" you must accept that vaccines are beginning to look as if they are in marzipan dildo utility country.Stocky said:
Sure. The public perception of risk has always been way off kilter. I recall a survey very early in the pandemic showing that those polled believed that 10% of the population had died from Covid. I'm not sure whether you are agreeing with my original post or not?IshmaelZ said:
The situation before vaccines was: ""horrible and debilitating for a few weeks" is the typical experience of the Covid victim. Either that or no symptoms at all. A tiny minority of covid victims die."Stocky said:
Yes, same here, for sure "horrible and debilitating for a few weeks" is the typical experience of the vaccinated. Either that or no symptoms at all. A tiny minority of the vaccinated die. We always knew that no vaccine will be 100% effective.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Yes every adult I know who has caught Covid recently has been double jabbed. It's mostly not been life threatening (although I know of someone, early 40s, double jabbed, no underlying conditions, who died) but without fail it's been horrible and debilitating and most have been surprised at how long it's taken to fully recover. I am still far from 100% three weeks after catching it.TOPPING said:I don't get the omigod Omicron affects the double jabbed thing.
I and plenty of my friends have had Covid since being double jabbed. Like the flu for a couple of days in my case and a bit longer for others.
This is of course no comment on the potency or otherwise or the transmissibility of Omicron just that it's strange to see such shock headlines.
Yet ALL positives are included in the 4pm gloom-fest new infection figures - despite infections not being remotely equal in significance.
We need to know how close our medical system is to collapse. Publishing new infection figures is, post-vaccine, way too divorced from this aim and just serves to generate panic, eagerly stoked by the media.
Just a gentle reminder that AZ has got efficacy of ~50% and Pfizer of ~70% against Delta, we should expect for quite a lot of vaccination people to get Omicron, it's nothing to panic about.1 -
I would have thought that's a fairly universal view among parents who've been there. I've not been there but my wife has, she went with friends visiting from the Maldives (Peppa Pig is a global brand) and I think the consensus was that it was a massive rip-off.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
If he'd said it about Legoland, which is brilliant, it would have been a different matter completely...1 -
Would it be overly callous to talk about cooking the pulled pork?MoonRabbit said:
Worse than that - Peppa Pigate is kicking off. 🐖Anabobazina said:Is it antivaxxer hour again on PB?
I’m off to make spicy chicken and lemon pizza.
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Massive rip-off but 'popular' = this Conservative Government. Do people go to PPW twice.....?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I would have thought that's a fairly universal view among parents who've been there. I've not been there but my wife has, she went with friends visiting from the Maldives (Peppa Pig is a global brand) and I think the consensus was that it was a massive rip-off.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
If he'd said it about Legoland, which is brilliant, it would have been a different matter completely...0 -
Google reviews with big samples. Peppa Pig world 4.7/5 Legoland 4.1/5OnlyLivingBoy said:
I would have thought that's a fairly universal view among parents who've been there. I've not been there but my wife has, she went with friends visiting from the Maldives (Peppa Pig is a global brand) and I think the consensus was that it was a massive rip-off.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
If he'd said it about Legoland, which is brilliant, it would have been a different matter completely...0 -
My sister, who lives 50 miles from PPW, has been twice. She says it’s very good.OldKingCole said:
Massive rip-off but 'popular' = this Conservative Government. Do people go to PPW twice.....?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I would have thought that's a fairly universal view among parents who've been there. I've not been there but my wife has, she went with friends visiting from the Maldives (Peppa Pig is a global brand) and I think the consensus was that it was a massive rip-off.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
If he'd said it about Legoland, which is brilliant, it would have been a different matter completely...0 -
Good morningOldKingCole said:
Massive rip-off but 'popular' = this Conservative Government. Do people go to PPW twice.....?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I would have thought that's a fairly universal view among parents who've been there. I've not been there but my wife has, she went with friends visiting from the Maldives (Peppa Pig is a global brand) and I think the consensus was that it was a massive rip-off.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
If he'd said it about Legoland, which is brilliant, it would have been a different matter completely...
If Starmer has said that then it is ill-judged and I agree with @HYUFD1 -
So right. Avoid pork today. 😆MarqueeMark said:
Would it be overly callous to talk about cooking the pulled pork?MoonRabbit said:
Worse than that - Peppa Pigate is kicking off. 🐖Anabobazina said:Is it antivaxxer hour again on PB?
I’m off to make spicy chicken and lemon pizza.
But seriously, HYUFD isn’t being serious (surely) but it is a gaff, because it’s not true. Peppa Pig World is one of the most popular theme parks around, a favourite with children for sure.
I don’t have kids, but those friends have them aren’t sure Peppa Pig is a good role model. One of my friends is convinced it’s teaching his daughter to rebel, that it’s subconsciously teaching kids anarchism and anti authority. That’s the opposite of what Boris said. Is it Boris has missed something?
there’s science to pizza topping. Spicy Chicken needs some counterbalances and I have half a lemon left over from yesterday I can squeeze over the top.0 -
He is making progress in that Labour is now not completely mad. I doubt there are many Jewish people seriously considering leaving the country because they don't think they will be safe if he become PM?rottenborough said:
(((Dan Hodges)))OldKingCole said:
So Peppa Pig world is a massive rip-off. The PM enjoyed it, the LOTO recognised it for what it was.Anabobazina said:
LOLMoonRabbit said:
“ Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.”HYUFD said:
Whatever you think of Blair or even Corbyn, neither of them would have made that gaffe. Boris certainly wouldn't have done, they would instinctively have realised it would make them seem aloof and out of touch.GIN1138 said:
LOL! He wasn't prepared to say that only women have a cervix but doesn't mind launching a completely unwarranted attack on poor Peppa Pig.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
The general election campaign with SKS is going to be fun...
Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.
He has made efforts to move Labour back to the centre and is able to use his legal skills to interrogate Boris at PMQs but he still lacks charisma and the common touch.
Compared to Every screw up the government has done in the last few months, is this all you got now? 🤷♀️
Our PM is profligate with money, the LOTO is prudent.
@DPJHodges
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There really is an Ed Miliband 2012 feel abut Starmer's leadership at the moment. His supporters are convinced he's making progress. Everyone else thinks he's flatlining.
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Oink, Oink...
So that's progress.
But SKS himself is obviously a complete dud. He's just there to make Labour sane again and pave the way until someone better comes along.0 -
You mean Keir wasn’t instinctively and compellingly articulating a view that chimes with what ordinary people think?noneoftheabove said:
Google reviews with big samples. Peppa Pig world 4.7/5 Legoland 4.1/5OnlyLivingBoy said:
I would have thought that's a fairly universal view among parents who've been there. I've not been there but my wife has, she went with friends visiting from the Maldives (Peppa Pig is a global brand) and I think the consensus was that it was a massive rip-off.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
If he'd said it about Legoland, which is brilliant, it would have been a different matter completely...
Colour me shocked!0 -
I very much hope that Peppa Pig runs against Johnson & Starmer for PM in G2 2024.
She'd win easily, no?3 -
Presumably she has swine flu ... or at least swine flewnoneoftheabove said:
Where does Peppa stand on lockdown for omicron? And has she been vaccinated? We need to know!MattW said:If Peppa Pig made 6bn, she is obviously a capitalist.
Therefore unacceptable to North London public sector millionaire types who made most of their money through property prices without doing any work for it at all.
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I would presume that the some of the stuff that Macron has done to please the hard right - hijab bans etc - hasn't gone down well with Starmer.CarlottaVance said:Colour me intrigued by Starmer’s response to Macron (“ugh”) in top interview with @EleniCourea and @Steven_Swinford
https://thetimes.co.uk/article/360efb3e-5471-11ec-8d72-b8ab431649b1?shareToken=3e227e52c4273289aa555f952a0dc7e0
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Don't forget Peppa Pig almost caused a diplomatic rift with our AUKUS allies.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/sep/05/peppa-pig-spiders-cant-hurt-you-episode-pulled-off-air-in-australia-again2 -
Says someone who is not a parent.HYUFD said:
Not just working class, Peppa Pig is popular with virtually all parents bar it seems left of centre North London intellectualsdixiedean said:Hang on. Is Peppa Pig the authentic marker of working class identity now?
I have raised three children. The one thing most parents are agreed on is the total rip off most brands try to perpetrate on parents. Some parents give in, others wearily put up with it, others cannot afford it and yet others resist and try to teach their children that not every joyful experience in life has to be turned into a shopping-for-tat-fest.
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Does she have a cervix Mr Starmer? Have you made any comment about the privatisation of hospital in Bath Mr Starmer?noneoftheabove said:
Where does Peppa stand on lockdown for omicron? And has she been vaccinated? We need to know!MattW said:If Peppa Pig made 6bn, she is obviously a capitalist.
Therefore unacceptable to North London public sector millionaire types who made most of their money through property prices without doing any work for it at all.
Did you call Peppa Pig a Surrealist hair dryer Prime Minister? Is such language appropriate Prime Minister?
I could present Woman’s Hour 🙂0 -
Macron was elected as a classical liberal but is becoming increasingly French nationalist to see off Le Pen and Zemmour.Malmesbury said:
I would presume that the some of the stuff that Macron has done to please the hard right - hijab bans etc - hasn't gone down well with Starmer.CarlottaVance said:Colour me intrigued by Starmer’s response to Macron (“ugh”) in top interview with @EleniCourea and @Steven_Swinford
https://thetimes.co.uk/article/360efb3e-5471-11ec-8d72-b8ab431649b1?shareToken=3e227e52c4273289aa555f952a0dc7e0
https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1467083544929439747?s=20
Starmer was and is a social democrat, neither a classical liberal nor a nationalist, if he was French he would be supporting Hidalgo as the Socialist Party candidate next year, not Macron and En Marche0 -
Looks like they don't like 'ordinary people's' entertainment at the Islington dinner parties.HYUFD said:
Whatever you think of Blair or even Corbyn, neither of them would have made that gaffe. Boris certainly wouldn't have done, they would instinctively have realised it would make them seem aloof and out of touch.GIN1138 said:
LOL! He wasn't prepared to say that only women have a cervix but doesn't mind launching a completely unwarranted attack on poor Peppa Pig.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
The general election campaign with SKS is going to be fun...
Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.
He has made efforts to move Labour back to the centre and is able to use his legal skills to interrogate Boris at PMQs but he still lacks charisma and the common touch.
Keir continues to show he is out of touch with the general public.
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Australia has many of the spiders which are most likely to hurt you!dixiedean said:Don't forget Peppa Pig almost caused a diplomatic rift with our AUKUS allies.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/sep/05/peppa-pig-spiders-cant-hurt-you-episode-pulled-off-air-in-australia-again0 -
Shoulda gone to Eton.londonpubman said:
Looks like they don't like 'ordinary people's' entertainment at the Islington dinner parties.HYUFD said:
Whatever you think of Blair or even Corbyn, neither of them would have made that gaffe. Boris certainly wouldn't have done, they would instinctively have realised it would make them seem aloof and out of touch.GIN1138 said:
LOL! He wasn't prepared to say that only women have a cervix but doesn't mind launching a completely unwarranted attack on poor Peppa Pig.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
The general election campaign with SKS is going to be fun...
Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.
He has made efforts to move Labour back to the centre and is able to use his legal skills to interrogate Boris at PMQs but he still lacks charisma and the common touch.
Keir continues to show he is out of touch with the general public.1 -
Bullingdon Club dinners are noted for the enthusiastic discussion of the latest PP volume.londonpubman said:
Looks like they don't like 'ordinary people's' entertainment at the Islington dinner parties.HYUFD said:
Whatever you think of Blair or even Corbyn, neither of them would have made that gaffe. Boris certainly wouldn't have done, they would instinctively have realised it would make them seem aloof and out of touch.GIN1138 said:
LOL! He wasn't prepared to say that only women have a cervix but doesn't mind launching a completely unwarranted attack on poor Peppa Pig.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
The general election campaign with SKS is going to be fun...
Starmer may now try and say he was only insulting the theme park not Peppa Pig herself but the damage has been done.
He has made efforts to move Labour back to the centre and is able to use his legal skills to interrogate Boris at PMQs but he still lacks charisma and the common touch.
Keir continues to show he is out of touch with the general public.2 -
I know I have said it before, but it really is true and Lib Dem’s should seriously consider it. If Ed Davey had a celebrity affair with someone, people would remember his name and listen to him more.dixiedean said:
The LD's need radical, distinctive policies which sit outside the mainstream of the Culture War.Northern_Al said:Have I got this right? The battleground for the next GE is going to be the Party Leaders' opinions of Peppa Pig World?
Doubtless Ed Davey will sit on the fence and remain studiously neutral.
Expect a speech on Raa Raa the Noisy Lion.
Who should Ed have an affair with to best help the LibDem brand? Would Gemma Collins be a good match for younger voters? Joan Collins would suggest he can attract Conservatives?0 -
Starmer is just building up to his big announcement - telling kids "there ain't no Santa Clause...."MoonRabbit said:
So right. Avoid pork today. 😆MarqueeMark said:
Would it be overly callous to talk about cooking the pulled pork?MoonRabbit said:
Worse than that - Peppa Pigate is kicking off. 🐖Anabobazina said:Is it antivaxxer hour again on PB?
I’m off to make spicy chicken and lemon pizza.
But seriously, HYUFD isn’t being serious (surely) but it is a gaff, because it’s not true. Peppa Pig World is one of the most popular theme parks around, a favourite with children for sure.
I don’t have kids, but those friends have them aren’t sure Peppa Pig is a good role model. One of my friends is convinced it’s teaching his daughter to rebel, that it’s subconsciously teaching kids anarchism and anti authority. That’s the opposite of what Boris said. Is it Boris has missed something?
there’s science to pizza topping. Spicy Chicken needs some counterbalances and I have half a lemon left over from yesterday I can squeeze over the top.
It's his new reality-based politics.0 -
On no. Don’t go there Big G - you are so much more smarter than that. Starmer is only saying it to keep the Peppa Pig thing going.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morningOldKingCole said:
Massive rip-off but 'popular' = this Conservative Government. Do people go to PPW twice.....?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I would have thought that's a fairly universal view among parents who've been there. I've not been there but my wife has, she went with friends visiting from the Maldives (Peppa Pig is a global brand) and I think the consensus was that it was a massive rip-off.HYUFD said:Starmer gaffe. He just insults the most popular children's TV character of the decade's theme park in the way only a North London intellectual snob could.
“I have been to Peppa Pig World, of course I have. It’s dreadful.” Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1467065497304903683?s=20
If he'd said it about Legoland, which is brilliant, it would have been a different matter completely...
If Starmer has said that then it is ill-judged and I agree with @HYUFD
I,don’t want to, I got to say it to you now also 😕
Compared to Every screw up the government has done in the last few months, is this all you got now? 🤷♀️0 -
Mummy Pig?MoonRabbit said:
I know I have said it before, but it really is true and Lib Dem’s should seriously consider it. If Ed Davey had a celebrity affair with someone, people would remember his name and listen to him more.dixiedean said:
The LD's need radical, distinctive policies which sit outside the mainstream of the Culture War.Northern_Al said:Have I got this right? The battleground for the next GE is going to be the Party Leaders' opinions of Peppa Pig World?
Doubtless Ed Davey will sit on the fence and remain studiously neutral.
Expect a speech on Raa Raa the Noisy Lion.
Who should Ed have an affair with to best help the LibDem brand? Would Gemma Collins be a good match for younger voters? Joan Collins would suggest he can attract Conservatives?
I think the script call for an extramarital affair with Mummy Pig that preferably leads to a new family member.
Peppa welcomes her little brother, Lib Dem Pig, could be a classic episode.
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I'm trying to remember Harold Wilson and Alec Douglas-Home arguing it out over the relative merits of Willum, Bill and Ben and the Woodentops.Northern_Al said:Have I got this right? The battleground for the next GE is going to be the Party Leaders' opinions of Peppa Pig World?
Doubtless Ed Davey will sit on the fence and remain studiously neutral.
How many seats will the SNP gain if SKS goes on the offensive against Balamory? What happens to the pink vote if he objects to Teletubbies?
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