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CD13 said:

I did ask politely before my booster if I could have an AZ vaccine this time, having had the Pfizer for my first two. Nothing wrong with spreading your bets as all the gamblers on here kvow well. Unfortunately, it wasn't possible but I did try

A real shame you couldn't get Moderna, as Pfizer-Pfizer-Moderna is also pretty efficacious.

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:

Leon said:

moonshine said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

williamglenn said:

This account has been credible on the vaccines throughout and doesn’t seem too alarmed by the new variant.

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1464222680731820043

If there is one thing I am going to tell you today it is to IGNORE the media and the clickbait headlines on this new variant. There is NO plausible scenario this will take us back to square one and there is a lot of misinformation currently circulating.

Yes, worth saying. But also worth saying that 'back to square 1' is at the catastrophic end of possibilities. For me, the bad realistic one is that Nu is highly transmissible AND has a high hospitalization/death effect AND evades the vaccines to a degree that means a new vaccine has to be made and rolled out. Kind of a 'back to square 2 or 3' scenario. But I really hope not.

Yes, that's the Reasonable Worst Case Scenario, and as Rule 1 of Covid unfortunately tells us, that is generally what happens (with one huge exception: vaccines, there we got the Reasonable Best Case Scenario - effective jabs within a year)

Chill Winston. To name two. The reasonable worst case fatality ratio was far higher than it’s turned out to be. There was a brief period in April 2020 when it looked like the free pass covid generally gives to kids was about to be revoked.

Ya sure?

Various authorities say that Covid has now killed 10-20 million people, worldwide (official figure is 5m but it is clearly nonsense). And a few million more will piss on their chips before we're done

If you'd asked folk at the outset of Covid how they felt about 20 million dying around the world, and maybe 200,000 in the UK, they would have filed that under "reasonable worst case scenario" if not "get tae fuck, madman"

I remember the incredulous expression of the Channel 4 News guy when he interviewed Neil Ferguson, as he asked Ferguson how many might die if we don't do lockdowns and stuff. Ferguson said, very carefully, "it could be 500,000, that's a reasonable worse case scenario"

The C4 dude basically laughed in disbelief. Yet Ferguson was right. 500,000 could easily have died without mitigations

How many millions of schoolchildren have had their education ruined by the lockdown?

Dude, I totally agree

Sometimes I still wonder if we shoulda let the whole thing rip

No need to "let it rip". You just tell the elderly and medically vulnerable to self-isolate.

Hospitals

Leon said:

Gordon Brown here, just doing that lefty thing of ignoring any uncomfortable facts

"A new Covid variant is no surprise when rich countries are hoarding vaccines

"Gordon Brown"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/26/new-covid-variant-rich-countries-hoarding-vaccines


Doesn't mention South Africa selling off its AZ in some mad delusion. Doesn't mention the fact South Africa has 17m jabs waiting in warehouses, but no arms to put them in, because of vaccine refusal. It's all the fault of the rich countries. Of course

This kind of rhetoric about "rich countries" from people like Gordon Brown often sounds like a form of denial about how the balance of power in the world is changing.

Age related data

Leon said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And then this:



"Ryan Imgrund
@imgrund
BREAKING NEWS The effective reproduction number of the B.1.1.529 variant first found in Gauteng Province, South Africa is 1.94.

R indicated something may have been awry back on October 29th.

An Rt of 1.94 corresponds to a quadrupling of cases in just six days."


https://twitter.com/imgrund/status/1464278502656598020?s=20


We may just luck out and this variant will be extremely infectious, but relatively mild, and the whole fucking kerfuffle finally fizzles out, as new SuperMild NuNu outcompetes its nastier but less viral peers

I for one shall say a prayer to Gaia

An Rt of 1.94 is tiny (actually lower than original COVID), Delta has an Rt of 6.5, for example. Is there any further information?

I'm trying to work out what he means by "effective reproduction number" - presumably it is not pure R, but some kind of R in the real world, where there is some immunity and mitigation?

I'm sure I could pass a GCSE in epidemiology now. But not an A Level

R of 1.94 in a fully vaccinated population would imply a high level of immunity escape, in a poorly vaccinated population it would be around the same Rt as Delta, maybe a bit higher at Rt 8-9 which is not a disaster, at least not for a country like the UK where there are 51m people with some level of vaccination and a further 8-10m with natural immunity.

Guy on Twitter reckons this data implies that Nu's R0 is close to measles: R16

You need 95% immunity to suppress measles, we won't get that until we've all got the Nunu, it will infect everyone vulnerable very fast

Still not a disaster if it is not severe, indeed possibly the end of the pandemic, as you have said

"Guy on Twitter reckons..."

Hmmm...

williamglenn said:

Leon said:

Gordon Brown here, just doing that lefty thing of ignoring any uncomfortable facts

"A new Covid variant is no surprise when rich countries are hoarding vaccines

"Gordon Brown"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/26/new-covid-variant-rich-countries-hoarding-vaccines


Doesn't mention South Africa selling off its AZ in some mad delusion. Doesn't mention the fact South Africa has 17m jabs waiting in warehouses, but no arms to put them in, because of vaccine refusal. It's all the fault of the rich countries. Of course

This kind of rhetoric about "rich countries" from people like Gordon Brown often sounds like a form of denial about how the balance of power in the world is changing.

Gordon Brown is just riding passing hobbyhorses in search of some relevance. Ignore.

Selebian said:

Leon said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And then this:



"Ryan Imgrund
@imgrund
BREAKING NEWS The effective reproduction number of the B.1.1.529 variant first found in Gauteng Province, South Africa is 1.94.

R indicated something may have been awry back on October 29th.

An Rt of 1.94 corresponds to a quadrupling of cases in just six days."


https://twitter.com/imgrund/status/1464278502656598020?s=20


We may just luck out and this variant will be extremely infectious, but relatively mild, and the whole fucking kerfuffle finally fizzles out, as new SuperMild NuNu outcompetes its nastier but less viral peers

I for one shall say a prayer to Gaia

An Rt of 1.94 is tiny (actually lower than original COVID), Delta has an Rt of 6.5, for example. Is there any further information?

I'm trying to work out what he means by "effective reproduction number" - presumably it is not pure R, but some kind of R in the real world, where there is some immunity and mitigation?

I'm sure I could pass a GCSE in epidemiology now. But not an A Level

R of 1.94 in a fully vaccinated population would imply a high level of immunity escape, in a poorly vaccinated population it would be around the same Rt as Delta, maybe a bit higher at Rt 8-9 which is not a disaster, at least not for a country like the UK where there are 51m people with some level of vaccination and a further 8-10m with natural immunity.

Guy on Twitter reckons this data implies that Nu's R0 is close to measles: R16

You need 95% immunity to suppress measles, we won't get that until we've all got the Nunu, it will infect everyone vulnerable very fast

Still not a disaster if it is not severe, indeed possibly the end of the pandemic, as you have said

I think there's a point here that at present the available data are small and dirty (likely misclassification of cases as Nu or others - not all samples are sequenced). So we're in German government report on AZN in old people territory, but worse (at least they knew who was old, they just had a tiny sample). Headline estimates of R for Nu might be 1.9 or 16, but the confidence intervals would range from 0 to 1000* or so.

*Yes, ridiculous, but pick a number, any number, really.

Not sure that's entirely true, this is a bit better than bloody Handelsblatt

The effective reproduction number of Nunu in Gauteng is, it is asserted, ~1.94. That's what it is doing in a region with low vax but quite high (presumed) natural immunity. It's notably infectious

The pure R0 in a wholly naive population, some are saying, is like measles, R16. Really bloody high, but still not necessarily a reason to throw swords in the Thames to propitiate an angry Woden - it might provoke relatively mild cases in the vaxxed (or even the unvaxxed)

OK, coffee. Later

MaxPB said:

Omnium said:

MaxPB said:

Omnium said:

Javid really should be issuing some sort of public health advisory. Wear a mask where you can, don't do so much daft stuff, work from home if there's an option, and if you're croaky, stay home.

Someone this morning said he looked like a rabbit in the headlights - I think that's right. He rather brushed aside Hancock's work (the actual work). I think Hancock was a far better Health minister though.

Are you mad? Hancock was completely incapable. Javid overnight forced through a red list decision. With Hancock they gave days of notice each time. He also forced through vaccines for 12-15 year olds and a very, very wide booster programme. Aiui he laid down the law to the JCVI about their remit wrt giving vaccines away and told them to get on with it.

Mad? Don't think so, but you can be the judge.

Hancock was completely on the case in my view. Apart of course from where he was otherwise engaged.

Javid just made a noise. I'd prefer Hancock in charge of health, and I'd much prefer to see Hunt at the helm.

I honestly can't think of a single scenario where Hancock was on the case. The vaccine procurement was handed to the VTF and a specialist in biotech VC because Hancock wasn't trusted to actually do it properly. He completely bungled PPE procurement and even the roll out of testing was simply turned into a numbers game, on isolation he completely failed to get treasury buy in to make isolation viable for ordinary people and on reopening he was simply unable to see beyond lockdowns. He was and is a complete disaster and whoever leaked that video did the nation a huge favour.

One aspect which Hancock emphasised heavily was creating all the infrastructure for the rollout early, before it was actually required - which meant we could be quick off the mark when the vaccines arrived very quickly.

There are other aspects.

Benpointer said:

MattW said:

Gardenwalker said:

TOPPING said:

Gardenwalker said:

Here’s my current Cabinet ranking

1. Zahawi
2. Sharma
3. Wallace
4. Rishi
5. Coffey
6. Gove
7. Javid
8. Kwarteng
9. Truss
10. Frost
11. Shapps
12. Patel
12. Raab
13. Johnson

Others are unknown / unrated.

A good list. I'd move Raab further up but he does his best to want to stay down at the bottom.

I forgot Dorries who is probably between Raab and Johnson.

I'll be interested whether ND can do a popularisation on culture; she's certainly sold enough books.

Snobs would hate it, and yet, and yet ...

What's a "popularisation on culture"?

Exactly what it ways

Make things available for widely, and encourage takeup.

kinabalu said:

rcs1000 said:

CarlottaVance said:

Update on the case in Belgium. Unvaccinated and developed flu-like symptoms after being infected with Nu but NO WORSE symptoms 11 days after returning from Egypt. NO other symptomatic individuals in their household. https://assets.uzleuven.be/files/2021-11/genomic_surveillance_update_211126.pdf

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1464270976410173441?s=20

Which is interesting - because Delta went through households like a dose of salts....

It's almost like there's a bunch of panic, and no actual evidence that the new variant is meaningfully worse

I've noted something of an overlap between those panicking and those with a prior Covid record of muscular 'we just gotta get on with things and live with it' sentiment.

There will be an overlap - they are panicking about the politicians' responses rather than about the virus itself. (See the Israeli PM's comments earlier.)

Benpointer said:

Leon said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And then this:



"Ryan Imgrund
@imgrund
BREAKING NEWS The effective reproduction number of the B.1.1.529 variant first found in Gauteng Province, South Africa is 1.94.

R indicated something may have been awry back on October 29th.

An Rt of 1.94 corresponds to a quadrupling of cases in just six days."


https://twitter.com/imgrund/status/1464278502656598020?s=20


We may just luck out and this variant will be extremely infectious, but relatively mild, and the whole fucking kerfuffle finally fizzles out, as new SuperMild NuNu outcompetes its nastier but less viral peers

I for one shall say a prayer to Gaia

An Rt of 1.94 is tiny (actually lower than original COVID), Delta has an Rt of 6.5, for example. Is there any further information?

I'm trying to work out what he means by "effective reproduction number" - presumably it is not pure R, but some kind of R in the real world, where there is some immunity and mitigation?

I'm sure I could pass a GCSE in epidemiology now. But not an A Level

R of 1.94 in a fully vaccinated population would imply a high level of immunity escape, in a poorly vaccinated population it would be around the same Rt as Delta, maybe a bit higher at Rt 8-9 which is not a disaster, at least not for a country like the UK where there are 51m people with some level of vaccination and a further 8-10m with natural immunity.

Guy on Twitter reckons this data implies that Nu's R0 is close to measles: R16

You need 95% immunity to suppress measles, we won't get that until we've all got the Nunu, it will infect everyone vulnerable very fast

Still not a disaster if it is not severe, indeed possibly the end of the pandemic, as you have said

"Guy on Twitter reckons..."

Hmmm...

*Plumber in a US sitcom voice*

"Yup, there's your problem, people on Twitter"

Meanwhile some candidates for French President such as Michel Barnier now saying Le Touquet agreement (whereby France polices UK external border in Calais) should be scrapped, and refugees allowed to go to the UK to apply there…

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1464289658951585799?s=20

Boris in slo-mo with background music for Polish PM visit:

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1464290434146918403?s=20

Malmesbury said:

Age related data scaled to 100K

Thus demonstrating that the increase in cases that some people are still hyperventilating about is principally in almost invulnerable school aged children, followed (some distance behind) by gradual ramping in parents of said school aged children. Most of which is probably accounted for by perfectly well, asymptomatic adults doing precautionary testing after the plague has been found through routine testing of their kiddies.

Meanwhile, infections in the ancients are low and continuing to fall.

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile some candidates for French President such as Michel Barnier now saying Le Touquet agreement (whereby France polices UK external border in Calais) should be scrapped, and refugees allowed to go to the UK to apply there…

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1464289658951585799?s=20

UK should ask all asylum seekers to attend their French embassies to be processed which would be interesting

So. It is V of C. And Omicron. Not nu.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile some candidates for French President such as Michel Barnier now saying Le Touquet agreement (whereby France polices UK external border in Calais) should be scrapped, and refugees allowed to go to the UK to apply there…

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1464289658951585799?s=20

UK should ask all asylum seekers to attend their French embassies to be processed which would be interesting

And if they say no?
This is the problem with simple answers to complex problems.
There aren't any.

MattW said:

Gardenwalker said:

MattW said:

Benpointer said:

MattW said:

Gardenwalker said:

TOPPING said:

Gardenwalker said:

Here’s my current Cabinet ranking

1. Zahawi
2. Sharma
3. Wallace
4. Rishi
5. Coffey
6. Gove
7. Javid
8. Kwarteng
9. Truss
10. Frost
11. Shapps
12. Patel
12. Raab
13. Johnson

Others are unknown / unrated.

A good list. I'd move Raab further up but he does his best to want to stay down at the bottom.

I forgot Dorries who is probably between Raab and Johnson.

I'll be interested whether ND can do a popularisation on culture; she's certainly sold enough books.

Snobs would hate it, and yet, and yet ...

What's a "popularisation on culture"?

Exactly what it ways

Make things available for widely, and encourage takeup.

Do you think there’s a problem with cultural availability or take-up?

I think there's always an opportunity for wider take up.

It will be interesting to see how ND plays it.

Nadine is just there to play culture wars on behalf of Johnson.

To the extent she has any impact on cultural provision, it is likely to be detrimental.

Omnium said:

Leon said:

Benpointer said:

Leon said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And then this:



"Ryan Imgrund
@imgrund
BREAKING NEWS The effective reproduction number of the B.1.1.529 variant first found in Gauteng Province, South Africa is 1.94.

R indicated something may have been awry back on October 29th.

An Rt of 1.94 corresponds to a quadrupling of cases in just six days."


https://twitter.com/imgrund/status/1464278502656598020?s=20


We may just luck out and this variant will be extremely infectious, but relatively mild, and the whole fucking kerfuffle finally fizzles out, as new SuperMild NuNu outcompetes its nastier but less viral peers

I for one shall say a prayer to Gaia

An Rt of 1.94 is tiny (actually lower than original COVID), Delta has an Rt of 6.5, for example. Is there any further information?

I'm trying to work out what he means by "effective reproduction number" - presumably it is not pure R, but some kind of R in the real world, where there is some immunity and mitigation?

I'm sure I could pass a GCSE in epidemiology now. But not an A Level

R of 1.94 in a fully vaccinated population would imply a high level of immunity escape, in a poorly vaccinated population it would be around the same Rt as Delta, maybe a bit higher at Rt 8-9 which is not a disaster, at least not for a country like the UK where there are 51m people with some level of vaccination and a further 8-10m with natural immunity.

Guy on Twitter reckons this data implies that Nu's R0 is close to measles: R16

You need 95% immunity to suppress measles, we won't get that until we've all got the Nunu, it will infect everyone vulnerable very fast

Still not a disaster if it is not severe, indeed possibly the end of the pandemic, as you have said

"Guy on Twitter reckons..."

Hmmm...

Actually some of the smartest and quickest information often comes from quite random people in the Twittersphere: geeks at home crunching numbers, random scientists in a lunchbreak, someone with inside knowledge who decides to vent.

If you rely entirely on blue tick authorities you soon end up in an echo chamber and an info bubble. You NEED the random odd opinions from all quarters. Even people with 5 followers can produce startling insights.

The trick is knowing how to filter them, however. To ignore the genuinely mad stuff. Not always easy.

And the worst, most ill-informed, and pointless. You're dead right about filtering.

If you can find the entry level staff/PhD candidates who are actually crunching the numbers and making the sexy graphs you'll get the best stuff (if you can understand it yourself).

Whitty is one of the few public figures who sounds close to the numbers and hasn't been spoiled by decades of bias and politics.

dixiedean said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile some candidates for French President such as Michel Barnier now saying Le Touquet agreement (whereby France polices UK external border in Calais) should be scrapped, and refugees allowed to go to the UK to apply there…

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1464289658951585799?s=20

UK should ask all asylum seekers to attend their French embassies to be processed which would be interesting

And if they say no?
This is the problem with simple answers to complex problems.
There aren't any.

I understood applying for asylum to any countries embassy was part of their legitimate purpose

Gardenwalker said:

TOPPING said:

Gardenwalker said:

Here’s my current Cabinet ranking

1. Zahawi
2. Sharma
3. Wallace
4. Rishi
5. Coffey
6. Gove
7. Javid
8. Kwarteng
9. Truss
10. Frost
11. Shapps
12. Patel
12. Raab
13. Johnson

Others are unknown / unrated.

A good list. I'd move Raab further up but he does his best to want to stay down at the bottom.

I forgot Dorries who is probably between Raab and Johnson.

Eewww. I now need mindbleach. Nadine sandwich, anyone?

tlg86 said:

Tales of travel woe on the six o'clock news tonight.

The government has admitted they can't carry out the IRP?

MY NAME IS OMICRON, KING OF VIRUSES
LOOK ON MY WORKS, YE MIGHTY, AND DESPAIR

tlg86 said:

Tales of travel woe on the six o'clock news tonight.

Somethings never change....which bit of there is a global pandemic, the situation might change extremely rapidly and be an inconvenience do people not get. Plans are at your own risk.

North Yorkshire Police, Fire and Crime Commissioner

Conservative 60.8% (-0.2)

Labour 39.2 (+0.2)

Total votes 68,655

Conservative hold

dixiedean said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile some candidates for French President such as Michel Barnier now saying Le Touquet agreement (whereby France polices UK external border in Calais) should be scrapped, and refugees allowed to go to the UK to apply there…

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1464289658951585799?s=20

UK should ask all asylum seekers to attend their French embassies to be processed which would be interesting

And if they say no?
This is the problem with simple answers to complex problems.
There aren't any.

This is all going to end with about half-a-million migrants crossing the Channel in dinghies every year and none of them ever being deported. The dreams of the open borders lunatics being made flesh (except for the part where the occasional dinghy occupant drowns, at least until the inevitable court case forces the Government to buy them all tickets to come over on the Eurostar.)

That'll all go down well in Hartlepool, I'm sure.

Leon said:

Benpointer said:

Leon said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And then this:



"Ryan Imgrund
@imgrund
BREAKING NEWS The effective reproduction number of the B.1.1.529 variant first found in Gauteng Province, South Africa is 1.94.

R indicated something may have been awry back on October 29th.

An Rt of 1.94 corresponds to a quadrupling of cases in just six days."


https://twitter.com/imgrund/status/1464278502656598020?s=20


We may just luck out and this variant will be extremely infectious, but relatively mild, and the whole fucking kerfuffle finally fizzles out, as new SuperMild NuNu outcompetes its nastier but less viral peers

I for one shall say a prayer to Gaia

An Rt of 1.94 is tiny (actually lower than original COVID), Delta has an Rt of 6.5, for example. Is there any further information?

I'm trying to work out what he means by "effective reproduction number" - presumably it is not pure R, but some kind of R in the real world, where there is some immunity and mitigation?

I'm sure I could pass a GCSE in epidemiology now. But not an A Level

R of 1.94 in a fully vaccinated population would imply a high level of immunity escape, in a poorly vaccinated population it would be around the same Rt as Delta, maybe a bit higher at Rt 8-9 which is not a disaster, at least not for a country like the UK where there are 51m people with some level of vaccination and a further 8-10m with natural immunity.

Guy on Twitter reckons this data implies that Nu's R0 is close to measles: R16

You need 95% immunity to suppress measles, we won't get that until we've all got the Nunu, it will infect everyone vulnerable very fast

Still not a disaster if it is not severe, indeed possibly the end of the pandemic, as you have said

"Guy on Twitter reckons..."

Hmmm...

Actually some of the smartest and quickest information often comes from quite random people in the Twittersphere: geeks at home crunching numbers, random scientists in a lunchbreak, someone with inside knowledge who decides to vent.

If you rely entirely on blue tick authorities you soon end up in an echo chamber and an info bubble. You NEED the random odd opinions from all quarters. Even people with 5 followers can produce startling insights.

The trick is knowing how to filter them, however. To ignore the genuinely mad stuff. Not always easy.

Don’t we know it.

IshmaelZ said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

How come we have skipped some greek letters like Xi?

Who is in charge of China?

This guy...

Leon said:

MY NAME IS OMICRON, KING OF VIRUSES
LOOK ON MY WORKS, YE MIGHTY, AND DESPAIR

So you're saying that this variant will last a short while and then nothing at all will be left of it?

Can live with that, TBF.

dixiedean said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

dixiedean said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile some candidates for French President such as Michel Barnier now saying Le Touquet agreement (whereby France polices UK external border in Calais) should be scrapped, and refugees allowed to go to the UK to apply there…

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1464289658951585799?s=20

UK should ask all asylum seekers to attend their French embassies to be processed which would be interesting

And if they say no?
This is the problem with simple answers to complex problems.
There aren't any.

I understood applying for asylum to any countries embassy was part of their legitimate purpose

Yes, but requiring folk to apply to somebody else's isn't.
And since the French take 4 times the number we do, it wouldn't help us to be reciprocal.
Still. Shout the slogans even louder across the Channel. That should sort it.

Re your last sentence the correct response is a plague on both your houses

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Wales News

Cardiff Rugby club and Scarletts are both in South Africa and are looking to repatriate their players and officials back to the UK but do not have a way of doing so at present

Either someone charters them a plane or they'll be spending the next six months on an extended break in Cape Town.

CorrectHorseBattery said:

North Yorkshire Police, Fire and Crime Commissioner

Conservative 60.8% (-0.2)

Labour 39.2 (+0.2)

Total votes 68,655

Conservative hold

Why don't we over-analyse this poll like all the Labour ones last night which showed Starmer must now resign?!?!?

Because BJO isn't around. He gets a tea break, you know.

pigeon said:

dixiedean said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile some candidates for French President such as Michel Barnier now saying Le Touquet agreement (whereby France polices UK external border in Calais) should be scrapped, and refugees allowed to go to the UK to apply there…

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1464289658951585799?s=20

UK should ask all asylum seekers to attend their French embassies to be processed which would be interesting

And if they say no?
This is the problem with simple answers to complex problems.
There aren't any.

This is all going to end with about half-a-million migrants crossing the Channel in dinghies every year and none of them ever being deported. The dreams of the open borders lunatics being made flesh (except for the part where the occasional dinghy occupant drowns, at least until the inevitable court case forces the Government to buy them all tickets to come over on the Eurostar.)

That'll all go down well in Hartlepool, I'm sure.

Good job we took back control.
Or maybe a slogan isn't sufficient?

Big_G_NorthWales said:

dixiedean said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

dixiedean said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile some candidates for French President such as Michel Barnier now saying Le Touquet agreement (whereby France polices UK external border in Calais) should be scrapped, and refugees allowed to go to the UK to apply there…

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1464289658951585799?s=20

UK should ask all asylum seekers to attend their French embassies to be processed which would be interesting

And if they say no?
This is the problem with simple answers to complex problems.
There aren't any.

I understood applying for asylum to any countries embassy was part of their legitimate purpose

Yes, but requiring folk to apply to somebody else's isn't.
And since the French take 4 times the number we do, it wouldn't help us to be reciprocal.
Still. Shout the slogans even louder across the Channel. That should sort it.

Re your last sentence the correct response is a plague on both your houses

What should we do Big G?

Two possible cases (based on presence of SGTF at a federal testing platform) have been sequenced on 26/11/2021. Among these, one was identified as a Delta variant presenting the Del69/70, and the second was confirmed to be B.1.1.529.

The patient infected with B.1.1.529 is a young adult woman who developed symptoms 11 days after travelling to Egypt via Turkey. The patient had a high viral load at the time of diagnosis (Cq of 14,2) The patient did not report any link with South Africa or other Southern African countries. This patient had not previously been vaccinated and had not yet been infected. She developed flu-like symptoms, but does not present at this stage signs of severe disease.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1464286406356967424?s=20

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I thought it was a requirement of travel in and out of Europe to be vaccinated or proof of recovery from COVID?

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#BelgianNucase 11 days sounds too long to be sure that this variant 1.1.529 has definitely come from Egypt and not picked up more recently in Europe instead. Although we dont know its real danger yet, .The horse may already have bolted.....

https://twitter.com/timspector/status/1464292248816955408?s=20

CorrectHorseBattery said:

North Yorkshire Police, Fire and Crime Commissioner

Conservative 60.8% (-0.2)

Labour 39.2 (+0.2)

Total votes 68,655

Conservative hold

Why don't we over-analyse this poll like all the Labour ones last night which showed Starmer must now resign?!?!?

Have the Labour MPs who defected to the Conservatives sent letters to the 1922 demanding a leadership election?

pigeon said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Wales News

Cardiff Rugby club and Scarletts are both in South Africa and are looking to repatriate their players and officials back to the UK but do not have a way of doing so at present

Either someone charters them a plane or they'll be spending the next six months on an extended break in Cape Town.

14 day compulsory quarantine at their expense at present

kinabalu said:

ping said:

Omicron

Sounds like a transformer.

Nu was better.

Agreed. I don't like Omicron at all. Anything starting with 'Omi' sends a shiver. Nu was a nice name for a deadly disease that might take us all out.

Given the origins of COVID and initial behaviour of the Chinese, Xi would have been perfect name....

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Can anyone on

CorrectHorseBattery said:

this site use the quote button correctly

Seems unlikely

dixiedean said:

pigeon said:

dixiedean said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile some candidates for French President such as Michel Barnier now saying Le Touquet agreement (whereby France polices UK external border in Calais) should be scrapped, and refugees allowed to go to the UK to apply there…

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1464289658951585799?s=20

UK should ask all asylum seekers to attend their French embassies to be processed which would be interesting

And if they say no?
This is the problem with simple answers to complex problems.
There aren't any.

This is all going to end with about half-a-million migrants crossing the Channel in dinghies every year and none of them ever being deported. The dreams of the open borders lunatics being made flesh (except for the part where the occasional dinghy occupant drowns, at least until the inevitable court case forces the Government to buy them all tickets to come over on the Eurostar.)

That'll all go down well in Hartlepool, I'm sure.

Good job we took back control.
Or maybe a slogan isn't sufficient?

Quite.

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Can anyone on this site use the quote button correctly

For some reason it does not seem to be working on your last Quote

It is there

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Can anyone on this site use the quote button correctly

For some reason it does not seem to be working on your last Quote

It is there

It gets horribly confused with two different types of blockquote. This is why it's better not to use blockquote within the post and use italics instead.

It's a vanilla bug, not the fault of site users.

IshmaelZ said:

ydoethur said:

IshmaelZ said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

How come we have skipped some greek letters like Xi?

Who is in charge of China?

Winnie the Pooh.

Edit - @FrancisUrquhart beat me to it!

You guys are sooo going to get reeducated when the Taiwan campaign undergoes the inevitable mission creep

I'll wait until Deng.

Pause.

I'll get my coat.

And I have to, because I'm singing in a concert tonight.

Have a good evening,

Eabhal said:

Just had a medium sized retailer phone me to say they cannot fulfill an order made a few weeks ago. Unusual.

I predicted that energy costs and other supply problems would hit consumer goods next spring. Perhaps the Christmas really could be an issue?

On a vaguely-related Christmas supplies note, M&S has closed online food orders: "all booked up".
https://christmasfood.marksandspencer.com/finished

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Eabhal said:

Just had a medium sized retailer phone me to say they cannot fulfill an order made a few weeks ago. Unusual.

I predicted that energy costs and other supply problems would hit consumer goods next spring. Perhaps the Christmas really could be an issue?

On a vaguely-related Christmas supplies note, M&S has closed online food orders: "all booked up".
https://christmasfood.marksandspencer.com/finished

Noticeable shortage of crisps at the corner shop earlier when I popped out to get milk, bread, and beer.

dixiedean said:

pigeon said:

dixiedean said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile some candidates for French President such as Michel Barnier now saying Le Touquet agreement (whereby France polices UK external border in Calais) should be scrapped, and refugees allowed to go to the UK to apply there…

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1464289658951585799?s=20

UK should ask all asylum seekers to attend their French embassies to be processed which would be interesting

And if they say no?
This is the problem with simple answers to complex problems.
There aren't any.

This is all going to end with about half-a-million migrants crossing the Channel in dinghies every year and none of them ever being deported. The dreams of the open borders lunatics being made flesh (except for the part where the occasional dinghy occupant drowns, at least until the inevitable court case forces the Government to buy them all tickets to come over on the Eurostar.)

That'll all go down well in Hartlepool, I'm sure.

Good job we took back control.
Or maybe a slogan isn't sufficient?

All of europe is going to get tough on migrants....if the climate change people are right there are over the next 3 or so decades 2 billion or so deplaced due to climate change....most of which will be heading towards europe from africa and the middle east. There was 28 countries in europe before we left....2 billion/28 is going to be about 71 million per country.....cant see any european country willing to take in anywhere like that number so the borders will be militarised and the migrants repulsed.

Are we still doing the I can't get any hand fed organic vegan raised Spanish boar in my local Spar type stories?

Gardenwalker said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Eabhal said:

Just had a medium sized retailer phone me to say they cannot fulfill an order made a few weeks ago. Unusual.

I predicted that energy costs and other supply problems would hit consumer goods next spring. Perhaps the Christmas really could be an issue?

On a vaguely-related Christmas supplies note, M&S has closed online food orders: "all booked up".
https://christmasfood.marksandspencer.com/finished

Noticeable shortage of crisps at the corner shop earlier when I popped out to get milk, bread, and beer.

I'm sure you're supposed to be serenely surveying the landscape as per your name. Crisps!

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/bbcpolitics/status/1464253544593346568

"She just held my hand and said: 'You won't let your dad go private, will you?"

Labour leader Keir Starmer tells @bbcnickrobinson about his late mother, a "passionate defender of the NHS"

Does Keir Starmer imagine he is the only person who has lost his mum? He is always banging on about her as if he has undergone some tragedy unimaginable to the average voter. Has he not seen the statistics for one-parent families or just old age?