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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,617
    edited November 2021

    By similar logic, would he support an invasion of Greece by Turkey to reunite the Ottoman Empire?
    Is "murderous, inexcusable and very stupid" a new way of indicating support then?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,065

    Morgoth wasn’t in LoTR, only the backstory.
    He gets mentioned at the Council - and that Sauron is just a flunky.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,148

    Tits and Dragon’s we called it. Can I say that?

    Out of all the baddies in Lord of the Rings, which one was baddest?
    Gandalf.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,513
    eek said:

    Yep - always bet on a 0-0 draw in football - at least then there is a consolation if the match is boring.
    Bet on no goal scorer in the first goal scorer market. The odds are the same and you get own goals as they don't count.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,024
    edited November 2021

    I have a friend who used to get right on the winning post so if it was waiting for a photo finish he was sure who had won so rushed to place a bet! But he was wrong nearly every time.

    I think he got that idea from a fiction book without realising it was fiction.
    The Alex Bird method.

    ETA:-
    He had many different ways of beating the bookmaker, but probably his most famous was his success on betting on the result of photo finishes. Unlike today photo finishes would take about 5 minutes to develop so there was always an active betting market on the outcome. Bird very early on noticed that when horses crossed the line together an optical illusion meant that the horse on the far side invariably looked like he had won.

    He also discovered a simple technique which meant the illusion didn't occur. He stood at an elevated vantage point as near to the winning post as possible, he would keep very still, close his left eye and create an imaginary line across the track at the finishing line. He used this simple system for the next 20 years to make himself a fortune. With a reported 500 consecutive successful bets.

    http://www.bookmakers1.com/alexbird.html
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,067

    Morgoth wasn’t in LoTR, only the backstory.
    I say it counts as backstory is story. So you can have Morgoths big spider friend as well.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,920
    IanB2 said:

    Because there are zillions of people who'd like to see the LibDems running the country but are put off at a GE because the current system forces a choice between Tory and Labour and frightens them into not 'wasting' their vote, obvs.
    Or you could say, looking at this:

    http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democrat

    that there are lots of posh seats where people vote LD is just the right numbers to both feel good and make sure there is a Tory government that won't bash the rich.



  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,067

    The Alex Bird method.
    It was pouring down, we were all waiting to go, and he was arguing with someone through a window that their photo had got it wrong.
  • MattW said:

    I do wonder at what point regulation starts to impact on headquarters, but also even market participation.

    What will the impact of fines well over 10 billion Euro on Google in a very few years from the EuCo be? Not enough yet to be substantial, but they are building up.
    Interesting that Shell are not the first big Dutch company to do this in recent years. According to Sky this follows RELX (formally Reed and Elsevier) in 2017 and Unilever in 2018. Good for the UK tax revenue if nothing else.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,617
    Stocky said:

    Would you keep the breastydumplings in this fantasy one of yours?
    I'm sorry, Stocky, but no. No place for them in a grounded North London adventure starting in Waitrose.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,065

    I say it counts as backstory is story. So you can have Morgoths big spider friend as well.
    Ungoliant is mentioned in the LoTR as well, as the ancestor of Shelob
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,536

    39,705 and 47 deaths

    This uptick in cases is getting a little unnerving
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kinabalu said:

    Is "murderous, inexcusable and very stupid" a new way of indicating support?
    I don't get this at all. He is just saying that Taiwan can self determine, surely? I suppose that leaves the door open for PRC to invade and say that was so obviously what the majority of the Taiwanese wanted that a referendum was superfluous.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,067

    If he was wrong nearly every time then you could have cleaned up by betting on the other horse.
    I wan’t quick enough to think of that. It’s a clear trend! He’s stopped now anyway.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,195
    Interesting, this is the one charge I'd have thought the prosecution might have had a chance of sticking...

    BREAKING: Court finds Kyle Rittenhouse lawfully carried AR-15 on the night of August 25, 2020 in Kenosha, WI
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,195
    Leon said:

    This uptick in cases is getting a little unnerving
    My sister in law has it currently. More inconvenience than actual illness...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    kinabalu said:

    I'm sorry, Stocky, but no. No place for them in a grounded North London adventure starting in Waitrose.
    OTOH they can be found in the seasonal dim sum fridge, surely? (Getting hungry just thinking of dim sum.)
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    Leon said:

    This uptick in cases is getting a little unnerving
    Rest assured, there will be no plan b or no lockdown.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,617
    edited November 2021

    The Lion, the witch and the cheese counter.
    Yes, that has the right sort of vibe. Not sure about this 'intending to vote LibDem' thing from you btw. That's a pretty odd way to introduce yourself. Most people try and make themselves look more exciting than they really are.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,255
    Selebian said:



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violet_Jessop

    Was on the Titanic's two sister ships (and the Titanic as well) with a collision on one and sinking of the other.
    Jessop gets all the fame (*), but this stoker survived five wrecks, including the Titanic and Britannic:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_John_Priest

    (*) And so she should; what a wonderful surname. ;)
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,148
    IshmaelZ said:

    I don't get this at all. He is just saying that Taiwan can self determine, surely? I suppose that leaves the door open for PRC to invade and say that was so obviously what the majority of the Taiwanese wanted that a referendum was superfluous.
    He is engaging in desperate whataboutery so that he can say that the US is worse than China (because of invading Iraq) if China attacks Taiwan, so that he had an excuse for not taking sides in a China-US conflict over Taiwan.

    It's moral cowardice.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,751
    Leon said:

    This uptick in cases is getting a little unnerving
    If it gets up above 55000 it will get a little unnerving. At the moment it is just irritating.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,831

    39,705 and 47 deaths

    So for perspective a Covid death rate of 0.001%, the vaccines and boosters are still working
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,195
    MaxPB said:

    Rest assured, there will be no plan b or no lockdown.
    Booster efficacy against infection looks excellent, so just a case of rolling down the ages for this winter.
  • kinabalu said:

    Is "murderous, inexcusable and very stupid" a new way of indicating support?
    Anything before the “but” does not count.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,831
    edited November 2021
    algarkirk said:

    Or you could say, looking at this:

    http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democrat

    that there are lots of posh seats where people vote LD is just the right numbers to both feel good and make sure there is a Tory government that won't bash the rich.



    The poshest seats in the country are generally no longer safe Tory seats but Tory-LD marginals now after Brexit eg that includes Esher and Walton, Cities of London and Westminster, Chelsea and Fulham, Finchley and Golders Green, Richmond Park, Oxford West and Abingdon, Winchester, Cheltenham, Tunbridge Wells, Guildford etc
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,284
    edited November 2021
    Leon said:

    This uptick in cases is getting a little unnerving
    I give it a week before there are loud calls for "Plan B" from the usual suspects.

    Keep calm and carry on with booster jabs - we'll be up to a quarter of 12+ population with 3 doses in a few days' time. No need for mask mandates or vaccine passports.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,536
    Cookie said:

    If it gets up above 55000 it will get a little unnerving. At the moment it is just irritating.
    Yes, I’m not freaking out. But I was enjoying the 18 days of descending numbers…
  • He gets mentioned at the Council - and that Sauron is just a flunky.
    I stand corrected.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,617
    edited November 2021
    Stocky said:

    If you want to be a serious punter, you must have accounts with all bookies and exchanges to efficiently seek the best odds. Unfortunately, I have four trad book who limit my stakes to paltry sums.
    Yes, a Catch 22, that. To be a serious regular winning punter you need lots of accounts but if you're a serious regular winning punter you can't have them.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Basically back up to a fortnight ago.
    Can't be. I was shouted down on here for questioning the "its on the wane, all over, Boris dun gud" narrarive.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Interesting, this is the one charge I'd have thought the prosecution might have had a chance of sticking...

    BREAKING: Court finds Kyle Rittenhouse lawfully carried AR-15 on the night of August 25, 2020 in Kenosha, WI


    Apparently they forgot to get expert testimony on the length of the barrel. No testimony, no evidence, no conviction.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,067

    Good day today, I'm headed in the right direction finally

    your avatar is brilliant. Love your horse.
    Your using a staple avatar. 😻
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    Pulpstar said:

    Booster efficacy against infection looks excellent, so just a case of rolling down the ages for this winter.
    Yes, I still don't understand the logic of waiting 6 months, they should really go for 5 months and do all over 18s.
  • Ratters said:

    I give it a week before there are loud calls for "Plan B" from the usual suspects.

    Keep calm and carry on with booster jabs - we'll be up to a quarter of 12+ population with 3 doses in a few days' time. No need for mask mandates or vaccine passports.
    I've been eligible for almost a whole day and *still* no text message from the quacks. Bloody NHS.
  • Ratters said:

    I give it a week before there are loud calls for "Plan B" from the usual suspects.

    Keep calm and carry on with booster jabs - we'll be up to a quarter of 12+ population with 3 doses in a few days' time. No need for mask mandates or vaccine passports.
    Plan B is and always was something that the people in the know deploy when in their view there is no alternative. Their view based on science, medical knowledge and in full possession of the facts. It isn't what me and thee who don't know the facts think that matters.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,067
    kinabalu said:

    Yes, that has the right sort of vibe. Not sure about this 'intending to vote LibDem' thing from you btw. That's a pretty odd way to introduce yourself. Most people try and make themselves look more exciting than they really are.
    Have you been up Kinabalu? As you were looking up, did you think it looked like a chicken?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,195
    MaxPB said:

    Yes, I still don't understand the logic of waiting 6 months, they should really go for 5 months and do all over 18s.
    NHS website hasn't updated for 40+ @ 6 months yet. Did Bozza say when the system was updating ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,536
    Nearly 20,000 cases in Holland. By far their worst day yet, in all the pandemic

    I have a feeling their Xmas will get kyboshed
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    Pulpstar said:

    NHS website hasn't updated for 40+ @ 6 months yet. Did Bozza say when the system was updating ?
    Monday, but backend updates will probably be done on Friday as usual meaning early birds can get appointments booked over the weekend.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794

    Plan B is and always was something that the people in the know deploy when in their view there is no alternative. Their view based on science, medical knowledge and in full possession of the facts. It isn't what me and thee who don't know the facts think that matters.
    Ah those same experts who assured us of at least 100k cases without NPIs and called our July unlockdown a "dangerous experiment". Those experts?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,536
    edited November 2021
    Also the worst day yet in Hungary. Explosive, exponential growth

    Hungary, of course, used a whole lot of Sputnik and Sinopharm. May be regretting that now
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,284

    Plan B is and always was something that the people in the know deploy when in their view there is no alternative. Their view based on science, medical knowledge and in full possession of the facts. It isn't what me and thee who don't know the facts think that matters.
    What facts are we missing? To the government's credit there is an awful lot of data transparency in relation to this. We know there has been a series of peaks and troughs in cases since unlocking, rather than unconstrained exponential growth. We know the booster jab improves protection very significantly, which is not yet baked into the numbers. We know hospitalisations have remained well below previous peaks.

    In any case, the decision on Plan B is made by politicians, not scientists.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,672
    Leon said:

    This uptick in cases is getting a little unnerving
    I thought the "Covid is done" celebrations here were premature, but I also think it's too soon to worry excessively. Basically, as Foxy said the other day, cases are bobbing along at a fairly high level, deaths are pretty low, but hospitalisation remains a serious obstacle for the nHS working properly. Essentially we've moved from having a major death threat for most people to a major capacity threat for our health services. A bit of Plan B wouldn't do any harm, especially reviving the wfh push where practical.

    There has been serious pushback at one place that I know where younger, more junior staff were asked to return to the office. They really don't want to.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,617

    Have you been up Kinabalu? As you were looking up, did you think it looked like a chicken?
    That's a couple of No's there. It's still a possible, if I ever get back to Malaysia, but I think I might struggle now. Eg I chickened out of Mam Tor this year. Went for a gentler Tor instead, so gentle it wasn't even a Tor, and was blowing hard and slightly dizzy by halfway on that.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Exceptional stuff from Labour. Big poll lead? Time to send respects and condolences to the family of a suicide bomber who tried to attack a rememberance sunday service.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    Leon said:

    Nearly 20,000 cases in Holland. By far their worst day yet, in all the pandemic

    I have a feeling their Xmas will get kyboshed

    That's the difference between what's happening in countries without any real natural immunity reserves and the UK. All of them that have tried to displace infections from the summer are going to have a really difficult time of it now.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,695

    Plan B is and always was something that the people in the know deploy when in their view there is no alternative. Their view based on science, medical knowledge and in full possession of the facts. It isn't what me and thee who don't know the facts think that matters.
    There are always alternatives. Science cannot answer political questions.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,997
    edited November 2021
    Leon said:

    This uptick in cases is getting a little unnerving
    My grandson (12) and his father have been tested positive today here in Wales

    My granddaughter at Leeds University is unwell and waiting testing

    My two younger grandchildren (10) and (8) again here in Wales were sick last night and they are awaiting test results

    And my wife's 82nd birthday party on thursday has been cancelled, and we are keeping ourselves to ourselves !!
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,067
    kinabalu said:

    That's a couple of No's there. It's still a possible, if I ever get back to Malaysia, but I think I might struggle now. Eg I chickened out of Mam Tor this year. Went for a gentler Tor instead, so gentle it wasn't even a Tor, and was blowing hard and slightly dizzy by halfway on that.
    You need to run the lengths and walk the widths.

    Not a chicken sorry, a cock. The rock face at the top. Not the summit, the bit at the very top. I thought it did. ;o
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,617
    edited November 2021

    Anything before the “but” does not count.
    Bu ... however after the but he says it's a matter for the Taiwanese. What's the problem with that?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,536
    MaxPB said:

    That's the difference between what's happening in countries without any real natural immunity reserves and the UK. All of them that have tried to displace infections from the summer are going to have a really difficult time of it now.
    I hope you are right. I am not quite as convinced as you, but I am not soiling myself, either
  • MaxPB said:

    Ah those same experts who assured us of at least 100k cases without NPIs and called our July unlockdown a "dangerous experiment". Those experts?
    Lol the person who was quoted saying "we could hit 100k a day" was Health Secretary Sajid Javed. As always when we avoid the worst scenarios that exist people attack the need for scenario modelling.

    The simple reality is that a few people on here including your good self think you know better because your view is always the correct view (the Ballestre Edict).
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,089
    MaxPB said:

    That's the difference between what's happening in countries without any real natural immunity reserves and the UK. All of them that have tried to displace infections from the summer are going to have a really difficult time of it now.
    Considering how the Netherlands was hit in the first waves and their vaccine roll out coverage is as good as ours on Worldometer, I don't think there will be much difference on herd immunity.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,658

    I thought the "Covid is done" celebrations here were premature, but I also think it's too soon to worry excessively. Basically, as Foxy said the other day, cases are bobbing along at a fairly high level, deaths are pretty low, but hospitalisation remains a serious obstacle for the nHS working properly. Essentially we've moved from having a major death threat for most people to a major capacity threat for our health services. A bit of Plan B wouldn't do any harm, especially reviving the wfh push where practical.

    There has been serious pushback at one place that I know where younger, more junior staff were asked to return to the office. They really don't want to.
    I think people were saying that Covid is done as a national emergency as it becomes endemic and we live with a new flavour of viral infection now, thanks to the jabs, not dissimilar from "influenza and pneumonia" in terms of lethality.

    And as such to be lived with, with the NHS ensuring as best it can that it accommodates patients with Covid just as it has done and does for patients with influenza and pneumonia.

    I don't think anyone thinks or has said on here that Covid itself is over.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    Leon said:

    Nearly 20,000 cases in Holland. By far their worst day yet, in all the pandemic

    I have a feeling their Xmas will get kyboshed

    Finland and Hungary, have also reported record numbers in their nations today, maybe Germany will also in a few hours.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59293546

    “Rosemead Preparatory School and Nursery, which charges up to £4,920 a term, teaches children between the ages of two and 11.“

    I’d be livid if I was paying those kind of fees and yet the bloody roof falls in.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,536
    Foxy said:

    Considering how the Netherlands was hit in the first waves and their vaccine roll out coverage is as good as ours on Worldometer, I don't think there will be much difference on herd immunity.
    But we have had a high case rate through the summer, and Covid has ripped through our kids. That’s not true of the Netherlands (or other continental countries). That is the theory underlying UK herd immunity
  • Ratters said:

    What facts are we missing? To the government's credit there is an awful lot of data transparency in relation to this. We know there has been a series of peaks and troughs in cases since unlocking, rather than unconstrained exponential growth. We know the booster jab improves protection very significantly, which is not yet baked into the numbers. We know hospitalisations have remained well below previous peaks.

    In any case, the decision on Plan B is made by politicians, not scientists.
    The data is all of the performance data within the NHS. We won't be pulling the Plan B lever for any other reason than to prevent a swamping of the health service. We know it is in a much worse position than 12 months ago so a smaller surge in hospitalisation would do it.

    As for politicians making decisions, its likely my spectral brain not linking inconsistencies. Either we are following the science or politicians make the decisions. The same people have make the two clashing positions at different times to suit themselves.
  • kinabalu said:

    Bu ... however after the but he says it's a matter for the Taiwanese. What's the problem with that?
    Then why the “but”?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,089

    My grandson (12) and his father have been tested positive today here in Wales

    My granddaughter at Leeds University is unwell and waiting testing

    My two younger grandchildren (10) and (8) again here in Wales were sick last night and they are awaiting test results

    And my wife's 82nd birthday party on thursday has been cancelled, and we are keeping ourselves to ourselves !!
    Wise move to keep the birthday party intimate.

    A cousins estranged husband is on CPAP up north. I suspect that he was an antivaxxer.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,617
    Ratters said:

    I give it a week before there are loud calls for "Plan B" from the usual suspects.

    Keep calm and carry on with booster jabs - we'll be up to a quarter of 12+ population with 3 doses in a few days' time. No need for mask mandates or vaccine passports.
    It will be 'over' - as in Covid become background rather than news - by Feb imo. And I think there's little chance of a plan B being activated. But it's crazy to rule it out. If the NHS gets too stressed to maintain essential minimum standards the govt should act. Course they should. It's what they're there for.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,997
    edited November 2021
    Foxy said:

    Wise move to keep the birthday party intimate.

    A cousins estranged husband is on CPAP up north. I suspect that he was an antivaxxer.
    It cannot be much more intimate than my wife of 57 years and myself home alone !!!!!!!

    And we have both been double vaccinated, boosted and flu vaccinated
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,182
    Leon said:

    But we have had a high case rate through the summer, and Covid has ripped through our kids. That’s not true of the Netherlands (or other continental countries). That is the theory underlying UK herd immunity
    I am hoping it is more than theory.
    Covid tends laugh in the face of explication.

    Meanwhile, I need to figure out how to get a booster shot after 5, not 6 months, because I am leaving the country two weeks before my 6 week milestone…
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,658
    Foxy said:

    Wise move to keep the birthday party intimate.

    A cousins estranged husband is on CPAP up north. I suspect that he was an antivaxxer.
    Not that estranged if you, his estranged wife's cousin, know his medical condition.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,536
    kinabalu said:

    It will be 'over' - as in Covid become background rather than news - by Feb imo. And I think there's little chance of a plan B being activated. But it's crazy to rule it out. If the NHS gets too stressed to maintain essential minimum standards the govt should act. Course they should. It's what they're there for.
    If it comes to it they must try vaxports and masks before any kind of lockdown or WFH

    Why should I give up my freedoms because of idiot antivaxxers? Why should our cities and our economy take another massive hit because of THEM?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    Foxy said:

    Considering how the Netherlands was hit in the first waves and their vaccine roll out coverage is as good as ours on Worldometer, I don't think there will be much difference on herd immunity.
    We've had 7-8m infections in England since the start of May according to the ONS. That's the difference, Foxy. Countries that have tried to delay their exit waves to a significant degree or have got poor vaccination rates are seeing gigantic spikes in their infection rates as winter gives all respiratory viruses transmission advantages.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,687

    New Thread

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,617
    Carnyx said:

    OTOH they can be found in the seasonal dim sum fridge, surely? (Getting hungry just thinking of dim sum.)
    I love dim sum too. Mind you, there's not much I don't like on the food front. I'm the very opposite of a picky eater.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,089
    TOPPING said:

    Not that estranged if you, his estranged wife's cousin, know his medical condition.
    The family WhatsApp is quite some Bush telegraph.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,284

    The data is all of the performance data within the NHS. We won't be pulling the Plan B lever for any other reason than to prevent a swamping of the health service. We know it is in a much worse position than 12 months ago so a smaller surge in hospitalisation would do it.

    As for politicians making decisions, its likely my spectral brain not linking inconsistencies. Either we are following the science or politicians make the decisions. The same people have make the two clashing positions at different times to suit themselves.
    "Following the science" was merely a soundbite to give Boris credibility and make political decisions sound inevitable.

    Science can't tell you how best to implement public policy in such a complex situation. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't understand the limitations of science.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794

    I am hoping it is more than theory.
    Covid tends laugh in the face of explication.

    Meanwhile, I need to figure out how to get a booster shot after 5, not 6 months, because I am leaving the country two weeks before my 6 week milestone…
    You will still be eligible if you come and visit the UK so assuming you aren't leaving forever you can book your appointment for when you're around.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,576

    There was a child in America who survived a plane crash that killed his mom, brother and sister only to then survive a second plane crash years later that claimed the life of his dad and stepmom.

    The estimated odds of surviving two plane crashes that claim the lives of multiple people is one in more than a quadrillion.

    https://johnolearyinspires.com/podcast/archive/austin-hatch-312/
    He was probably a superhero, but didn't know it yet... (With apologies to M. Night Shyamalan).
  • BBC reporting what I've already been posting - government has scrapped both High Speed 2 East and Northern Powerhouse Rail. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59292120

    "A proposed Northern Powerhouse route from Leeds to Manchester is now expected to be made up of some new line, but it will mostly consist of upgrades to the existing track.

    The new track on the route will not allow high-speed rail travel.

    The route is not expected to go via Bradford, a key request of many in the city and surrounding area."

    In other words we might get the very worst bits bypassed but mostly its going to be easing of curves and some grade separation.
    Q Can we at least have electric trains for fast acceleration and tilt for the curves?
    A No

    Vote Conservative all you red wallers! Even the "Trams for Leeds" bribe spun hard in the Sunday Times is now "The government is also expected to put money aside to explore setting up a tram service for Leeds."
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,089
    MaxPB said:

    We've had 7-8m infections in England since the start of May according to the ONS. That's the difference, Foxy. Countries that have tried to delay their exit waves to a significant degree or have got poor vaccination rates are seeing gigantic spikes in their infection rates as winter gives all respiratory viruses transmission advantages.
    Sure, I get the theory, but apart from being a vector children's cases are irrelevant in nearly all cases.

    We are seeing a lot of breakthrough cases in the double vaxxed. We have 60 or so inpatients in that subgroup, bad enough to be inpatients. I don't think herd immunity is as robust as some make out.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,617
    MaxPB said:

    Rest assured, there will be no plan b or no lockdown.
    We agree on something here. I'm pretty sure the decision is taken to ride it out now and it'd take quite a plot twist to alter that.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,306
    HYUFD said:

    The poshest seats in the country are generally no longer safe Tory seats but Tory-LD marginals now after Brexit eg that includes Esher and Walton, Cities of London and Westminster, Chelsea and Fulham, Finchley and Golders Green, Richmond Park, Oxford West and Abingdon, Winchester, Cheltenham, Tunbridge Wells, Guildford etc
    I'm not sure I'd call Tunbridge Wells (maj 14,700) or Chelsea and Fulham (maj 11,200) exactly marginal. Some of the others (Finchley, Cheltenham) have been marginals long before Brexit, while Guildford and Winchester have been LibDem in the early 2000s.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    The Shell move is interesting, since they tried this once before and were beaten back by a massive storm of protest in politics in the Netherlands.

    Interesting that they think they should try again.
    At what point do the Netherlands (and Ireland) realise they’ve been sold down the river by the EU on corporation tax rates and tax avoidance strategies?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,576
    HYUFD said:

    So for perspective a Covid death rate of 0.001%, the vaccines and boosters are still working
    I'd check your maths there...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,074

    This thread not making it to 16 November is moving up the betting. But DYOR

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,576
    Leon said:

    Yes, I’m not freaking out. But I was enjoying the 18 days of descending numbers…
    Half term effects and now unwinding again. The arguments about HI still stand - most kids have had it, we are boosting the elderly (and soon down to 40-49 year olds) and we have essentially no restictions in play, and the cases are basically wobbling around at 40K a day.

    Its likely that the boosters will have a decent effect on hospitals and soon.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,831
    JohnO said:

    I'm not sure I'd call Tunbridge Wells (maj 14,700) or Chelsea and Fulham (maj 11,200) exactly marginal. Some of the others (Finchley, Cheltenham) have been marginals long before Brexit, while Guildford and Winchester have been LibDem in the early 2000s.
    Both Tunbridge Wells and Chelsea and Fulham are in the top 50 LD target seats and not even in the top 100 safest Conservative seats now, which they were comfortably in even in 1997. Indeed in 1997 Kensington and Chelsea was the safest Conservative seat in the country after Huntingdon.



  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    There is only so much that can be gained by micro-analysing recent COVID data, but I was curios so calculated the change in reported cases in England for each day compared to the same day a week earlier.

    1. Monday: 32,081
    2. Tuesday: 28,531
    3. Wednesday: 31,317
    4. Thursday: 30,166
    5. Friday: 28,490
    6. Saturday: 26,250
    7. Sunday: 23,779 -20%
    8. Monday: 24,979 -28%
    9. Tuesday: 27,872 -2%
    10. Wednesday: 35,541 +12%
    11. Thursday: 35,472 +15%
    12. Friday: 33,155 +15%
    13. Saturday: 33,493 +12%
    14. Sunday: 29,404 +19%
    15. Monday: 31,440 +22%

    I don't think this shows much, but as I have typed it out I thought I would share.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    Interesting, this is the one charge I'd have thought the prosecution might have had a chance of sticking...

    BREAKING: Court finds Kyle Rittenhouse lawfully carried AR-15 on the night of August 25, 2020 in Kenosha, WI

    This is because the Judge decided the law was to complicated to understand
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