Once proudly socialist and nonaligned, India is being remade as a roaring capitalist success story and emerging strategic partner of the United States. Economic reforms have raised per capita GDP and lowered poverty rates, while New Delhi's growing self-confidence may help it become the swing state in the global balance of power.
Hmm....the direction of travel is once again (probably) improving with the new government....but there's an AWFUL long way to go. I always thought India was basically unreformable, unmodernisable. I hope I'm wrong. It's still a tragically poor and backwards place. The life opportunities of a rural Untouchable are frankly an outrage.
If they carry on adhering to the Caste system (especially through marriage), believing in Astrology (it's considered a science at University level - strange but true!), and playing frakking Cricket, they will always lag behind!
"playing frakking Cricket"
Is that the game where you watch where the ball goes, and where it lands start digging for Shale Oil?
Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?
Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.
The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
I thought gay marriage was the thing that REALLY p****d off the Kippers.
Yeah that'll get Kippers back
We did something that made you vote UKIP, made London house prices soar and implemented a Lib Dem policy we used to disagree with
Vote Tory!
How did gay marriage make London house prices soar?
Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?
Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.
The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
I thought gay marriage was the thing that REALLY p****d off the Kippers.
Yeah that'll get Kippers back
We did something that made you vote UKIP, made London house prices soar and implemented a Lib Dem policy we used to disagree with
Vote Tory!
How did gay marriage make London house prices soar?
Gay marriage led to the floods that made rural homeowners want to move to London, which pushed up prices.
Once proudly socialist and nonaligned, India is being remade as a roaring capitalist success story and emerging strategic partner of the United States. Economic reforms have raised per capita GDP and lowered poverty rates, while New Delhi's growing self-confidence may help it become the swing state in the global balance of power.
Hmm....the direction of travel is once again (probably) improving with the new government....but there's an AWFUL long way to go. I always thought India was basically unreformable, unmodernisable. I hope I'm wrong. It's still a tragically poor and backwards place. The life opportunities of a rural Untouchable are frankly an outrage.
If they carry on adhering to the Caste system (especially through marriage), believing in Astrology (it's considered a science at University level - strange but true!), and playing frakking Cricket, they will always lag behind!
"playing frakking Cricket"
Is that the game where you watch where the ball goes, and when it lands start digging for Shale Oil?
I'm not a sportsman, per se,
And I've never played cricket. (More 5aside - see also - Cameron)
But I presume it's the game where you try to hit the ball without it hitting your face.
Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.
If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.
Those are minor flaws.
Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
And Libya's a bed of roses now, isn't it?
Give it time.
Three years and counting...
Nation building takes time, look how long it took India to become a success after Independence.
How about Pakistan and Bangladesh, out of interest?
Once they re-unite, within in weeks.
You are dreaming!
I wouldn't know-
As, I keep telling you all - the OU did not teach me high Politics-
Bangladesh are top right and the Christians???
Location correct, but Christians only a minority (along with Hindus), the Bangladeshis are ~85% Muslim.
Thanks Sunil - yet more info for me (I'm not taking the piss either), I was under the impression that the whole principle of Bangladesh was to protect the Christians (probably misread something from channel 4)
Nah, it split from Pakistan in late 1971 (after Indian intervention). Throughout 1971 there was a bloody civil war between the Pakistan military and the Bangladeshi separatists
Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.
If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.
Those are minor flaws.
Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
And Libya's a bed of roses now, isn't it?
Give it time.
Three years and counting...
Nation building takes time, look how long it took India to become a success after Independence.
How about Pakistan and Bangladesh, out of interest?
Once they re-unite, within in weeks.
You are dreaming!
I wouldn't know-
As, I keep telling you all - the OU did not teach me high Politics-
Bangladesh are top right and the Christians???
Location correct, but Christians only a minority (along with Hindus), the Bangladeshis are ~85% Muslim.
Thanks Sunil - yet more info for me (I'm not taking the piss either), I was under the impression that the whole principle of Bangladesh was to protect the Christians (probably misread something from channel 4)
Nah, it split from Pakistan in late 1971 (after Indian intervention). Throughout 1971 there was a bloody civil war between the Pakistan military and the Bangladeshi separatists
Once proudly socialist and nonaligned, India is being remade as a roaring capitalist success story and emerging strategic partner of the United States. Economic reforms have raised per capita GDP and lowered poverty rates, while New Delhi's growing self-confidence may help it become the swing state in the global balance of power.
Hmm....the direction of travel is once again (probably) improving with the new government....but there's an AWFUL long way to go. I always thought India was basically unreformable, unmodernisable. I hope I'm wrong. It's still a tragically poor and backwards place. The life opportunities of a rural Untouchable are frankly an outrage.
If they carry on adhering to the Caste system (especially through marriage), believing in Astrology (it's considered a science at University level - strange but true!), and playing frakking Cricket, they will always lag behind!
"playing frakking Cricket"
Is that the game where you watch where the ball goes, and where it lands start digging for Shale Oil?
Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?
Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.
The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
I thought gay marriage was the thing that REALLY p****d off the Kippers.
Yeah that'll get Kippers back
We did something that made you vote UKIP, made London house prices soar and implemented a Lib Dem policy we used to disagree with
Vote Tory!
How did gay marriage make London house prices soar?
Gay marriage led to the floods that made rural homeowners want to move to London, which pushed up prices.
Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?
Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.
The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
I thought gay marriage was the thing that REALLY p****d off the Kippers.
Yeah that'll get Kippers back
We did something that made you vote UKIP, made London house prices soar and implemented a Lib Dem policy we used to disagree with
Vote Tory!
How did gay marriage make London house prices soar?
Gay marriage led to the floods that made rural homeowners want to move to London, which pushed up prices.
Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?
Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.
The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
I thought gay marriage was the thing that REALLY p****d off the Kippers.
Yeah that'll get Kippers back
We did something that made you vote UKIP, made London house prices soar and implemented a Lib Dem policy we used to disagree with
Vote Tory!
How did gay marriage make London house prices soar?
Gay marriage led to the floods that made rural homeowners want to move to London, which pushed up prices.
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?
Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.
The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
I thought gay marriage was the thing that REALLY p****d off the Kippers.
Yeah that'll get Kippers back
We did something that made you vote UKIP, made London house prices soar and implemented a Lib Dem policy we used to disagree with
Vote Tory!
How did gay marriage make London house prices soar?
Gay marriage led to the floods that made rural homeowners want to move to London, which pushed up prices.
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Measures such pumping government money into schemes like “help to buy” properties really don’t impact on many UKIPers.
Increasing the minimum wage, however, might resonate.
I don't think the minimum wage would help with targeting UKIP voters that much. UKIP voters are disproportionately to be found among the retired.
The only single thing that I can think of is the idea of cutting alcohol duty rates for on licence sales, to help pubs compete against supermarkets.
The retired worry more about their children and grandchildren than they do about themselves, at least all the ones I know do and I see no reason why my circle should be unusual. So I would have thought policies that help the young and youngish would actually be popular with the older voter.
Slashing duty on booze would be terrifically popular though.
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
'...National Grid is forced to pay wind turbines millions of pounds to switch off on windy days in order to balance out demand. Last week, it paid wind developers £2.8m and £1.1m to other generators in balancing payments as high winds coincided with a period of low demand.'
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
Who did that?!
When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
Who did that?!
When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
Who did that?!
When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
Mr Sam, Lazy stereotypes are, as you must have noticed, as much part and parcel of this site as Mr Eagles sneaky references to 1980s pop-music. I fear many people missed the point of their diversity training.
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
Who did that?!
When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
David Cameron has dismissed Alex Salmond as a "desperate man" making a "desperate argument", after the Scottish first minister moved to rejuvenate the yes campaign by saying independence was the best way of protecting the NHS north of the border from Tory-led privatisation.
As Salmond launched a new Arbroath "declaration of opportunity" to protect the NHS from a "privatisation and fragmentation agenda", the prime minister said the only person with the power to change the health service in Scotland was the first minister.
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
Who did that?!
When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
Nutty Kipper councillors are the Tory's best friends! More, more, I say, more!!
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
Who did that?!
When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
He's buttering us up, to get our votes back.
Why would I think for a moment that anything anybody posts on here will have the slightest impact on someone's voting preference? This is one of the most fiercely tribal sites on the web.
Alex Salmond’s plan for a separate Scotland’s currency is mired deeper in confusion after he said keeping the pound without the Bank of England’s support would only be a stopgap.
The First Minister said a viable "transition option" was Scotland continuing to use sterling even if the UK parties continue to reject a Eurozone-style currency union.
But, speaking with a month to go before the September 18 referendum, he refused to say which of the two long-term options – the euro or a new currency – Scotland would move to after the transition period or how long that would be
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
Who did that?!
When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.
If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.
Those are minor flaws.
Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
And Libya's a bed of roses now, isn't it?
Give it time.
Three years and counting...
Nation building takes time, look how long it took India to become a success after Independence.
How about Pakistan and Bangladesh, out of interest?
Once they re-unite, within in weeks.
You are dreaming!
I wouldn't know-
As, I keep telling you all - the OU did not teach me high Politics-
Bangladesh are top right and the Christians???
Location correct, but Christians only a minority (along with Hindus), the Bangladeshis are ~85% Muslim.
Thanks Sunil - yet more info for me (I'm not taking the piss either), I was under the impression that the whole principle of Bangladesh was to protect the Christians (probably misread something from channel 4)
Nah, it split from Pakistan in late 1971 (after Indian intervention). Throughout 1971 there was a bloody civil war between the Pakistan military and the Bangladeshi separatists
You don't have to dig very deep in a conversation with most voters to find real anger at Overseas Aid.
It's always risky to extrapolate personal experience to "most voters", especially in marginals. Most voters who raise overseas aid with me do so because they want it increased or protected at the 0.7% of GDP level. It's one of those issues where supporters are very keen even though there's a majority vaguely opposed. It's one of the two things that the remaining LibDems often quote as a reason for sticking with the Coalition (the other being gay marriage), though they grumble that the pledge to put it into law hasn't been fulfilled.
Another niche issue is Gaza. Following the article which I linked to from this site, I organised a local meeting on Sunday for two hours of discussion. It attracted more than 100 constituents - the second largest meeting I've ever held, mostly non-party members. The number of Muslim or Jewish voters in the constituency is tiny, but lots of people want to talk about it. We had a fair spectrum of views, reasonably politely exchanged, though 90 supported an arms embargo on the immediate region. Enjoyed it, through a fog of jetlag.
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
Who did that?!
When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
When a problem exists that contradicts PC the media and political class cover it up. Mentioning those problems will inevitably involve ethnicity because the problems related to ethnicity are the ones the political and media class cover up.
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
Who did that?!
When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
Because my original post featured minorities as a sarcastic mocking of your lazy kipper stereotype, and they are often unfairly stereotyped in a negative way by people you probably think are UKIPpers.. as you just proved
If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
The creation of a plantation economy effects the unskilled first and then gradually works its way up so all the Con and Lib voters who think this economic warfare isn't going to effect them should look at the ongoing destruction of the middle class in America as they are 10-15 years ahead in this regard.
Measures such pumping government money into schemes like “help to buy” properties really don’t impact on many UKIPers.
Increasing the minimum wage, however, might resonate.
I don't think the minimum wage would help with targeting UKIP voters that much. UKIP voters are disproportionately to be found among the retired.
The only single thing that I can think of is the idea of cutting alcohol duty rates for on licence sales, to help pubs compete against supermarkets.
The retired worry more about their children and grandchildren than they do about themselves, at least all the ones I know do and I see no reason why my circle should be unusual. So I would have thought policies that help the young and youngish would actually be popular with the older voter.
Slashing duty on booze would be terrifically popular though.
Very true, Mr Llama. Visited by adult granddaughter yesterday. The topic of work/taxation came up and my wife, who usually leaves that sort of thing to me, asked how she was managing about repaying her student loan. The reply was that it was just another tax, although she didn’t get rebates on it. (She’s a supply teacher, so doesn’t get paid in the holidays.)
Not entirely sure a cut in the duty on booze would go down that well, although it would do my pocket a power of good. Don’t want the young encouraged to drink!
The big movement in oil prices was in the winter of 2010-11. It will be a major move back down if the oil price goes below $90. Possible if/when the Chinese economy hits a bump in the road.
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
Who did that?!
When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
Because my original post featured minorities as a sarcastic mocking of your lazy kipper stereotype, and they are often unfairly stereotyped in a negative way by people you probably think are UKIPpers.. as you just proved
If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
Let's see how long it takes for a poster to conform to the kipper stereotype. I'm guessing that a Muslim post won't be long in coming. Hope I'm wrong, but I probably won't be.
Measures such pumping government money into schemes like “help to buy” properties really don’t impact on many UKIPers.
Increasing the minimum wage, however, might resonate.
I don't think the minimum wage would help with targeting UKIP voters that much. UKIP voters are disproportionately to be found among the retired.
The only single thing that I can think of is the idea of cutting alcohol duty rates for on licence sales, to help pubs compete against supermarkets.
These older working class type UKIP voters that get talked about don't give a flying **** about the present. They care about their kid's and grandkid's future (or lack of it currently).
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
Who did that?!
When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
Because my original post featured minorities as a sarcastic mocking of your lazy kipper stereotype, and they are often unfairly stereotyped in a negative way by people you probably think are UKIPpers.. as you just proved
If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
Let's see how long it takes for a poster to conform to the kipper stereotype. I'm guessing that a Muslim post won't be long in coming. Hope I'm wrong, but I probably won't be.
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
Who did that?!
When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
What some consider gaffes are conidered major policy announcements by Kippers.
Measures such pumping government money into schemes like “help to buy” properties really don’t impact on many UKIPers.
Increasing the minimum wage, however, might resonate.
I don't think the minimum wage would help with targeting UKIP voters that much. UKIP voters are disproportionately to be found among the retired.
The only single thing that I can think of is the idea of cutting alcohol duty rates for on licence sales, to help pubs compete against supermarkets.
The retired worry more about their children and grandchildren than they do about themselves, at least all the ones I know do and I see no reason why my circle should be unusual. So I would have thought policies that help the young and youngish would actually be popular with the older voter.
Slashing duty on booze would be terrifically popular though.
Very true, Mr Llama. Visited by adult granddaughter yesterday. The topic of work/taxation came up and my wife, who usually leaves that sort of thing to me, asked how she was managing about repaying her student loan. The reply was that it was just another tax, although she didn’t get rebates on it. (She’s a supply teacher, so doesn’t get paid in the holidays.)
Not entirely sure a cut in the duty on booze would go down that well, although it would do my pocket a power of good. Don’t want the young encouraged to drink!
Do the young drink that much, Mr. Cole. I know we see scenes of town centres and hear horrendous tales, but I actually think that on the whole they drink less than my generation did at their age and probably even now. Cost has got something to do with that, but probably not much, it seems to be more of an attitude thing.
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
Who did that?!
When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
Well said sir, I look forward to you making the same point next time a party leader resorts to national stereotyping whilst being interviewed in a tired state...
Measures such pumping government money into schemes like “help to buy” properties really don’t impact on many UKIPers.
Increasing the minimum wage, however, might resonate.
I don't think the minimum wage would help with targeting UKIP voters that much. UKIP voters are disproportionately to be found among the retired.
The only single thing that I can think of is the idea of cutting alcohol duty rates for on licence sales, to help pubs compete against supermarkets.
These older working class type UKIP voters that get talked about don't give a flying **** about the present. They care about their kid's and grandkid's future (or lack of it currently).I doubt that UKIP voters are really that different to most humans.
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
Who did that?!
When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
Because my original post featured minorities as a sarcastic mocking of your lazy kipper stereotype, and they are often unfairly stereotyped in a negative way by people you probably think are UKIPpers.. as you just proved
If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
Let's see how long it takes for a poster to conform to the kipper stereotype. I'm guessing that a Muslim post won't be long in coming. Hope I'm wrong, but I probably won't be.
You don't get it do you?
That's the equivalent of a racist saying that next time a mugging in South London turns out to be by a black man, its conformation of a black stereotype
As I said you cant use that logic for your own prejudices without giving up the right to criticise others who do so for theirs
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
Who did that?!
When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
Because my original post featured minorities as a sarcastic mocking of your lazy kipper stereotype, and they are often unfairly stereotyped in a negative way by people you probably think are UKIPpers.. as you just proved
If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
Let's see how long it takes for a poster to conform to the kipper stereotype. I'm guessing that a Muslim post won't be long in coming. Hope I'm wrong, but I probably won't be.
Define "long"?
Give it two days for the likely candidate to come off best behaviour trying to prove a point by restraining himself, then several posts by Wednesday.
But falling oil prices (at a time of crisis in the middle east as well) offers the prospect of giving the world economy a boost. But if the USA keeps fracking then lower world prices may be a permanent feature. Has anyone told Salmond.
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
Who did that?!
When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
Well said sir, I look forward to you making the same point next time a party leader resorts to national stereotyping whilst being interviewed in a tired state...
..and if its right, its right!
Farage was asked a question and he answered honestly... if he had come out and said "Who would you prefer living next door to you? X or Y?" that would have been different
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
Who did that?!
When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
Because my original post featured minorities as a sarcastic mocking of your lazy kipper stereotype, and they are often unfairly stereotyped in a negative way by people you probably think are UKIPpers.. as you just proved
If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
Let's see how long it takes for a poster to conform to the kipper stereotype. I'm guessing that a Muslim post won't be long in coming. Hope I'm wrong, but I probably won't be.
You don't get it do you?
That's the equivalent of a racist saying that next time a mugging in South London turns out to be by a black man, its conformation to a black stereotype
As I said you cant use that logic for your own prejudices without giving up the right to criticise others who do so for theirs
Who would you prefer to move next door to you? You can have a rest if you feel tired before answering.
I think that there is some room for manoeuvre on the minimum wage given the strength of the UK job market. It would not be cost free (since quite a lot of public sector workers may well be affected and even more employed in bought in services such as care homes, cleaning etc would be) but the government should be able to claw back some of this by reducing the amount of in work benefits paid. This cannot be pro rata because that would defeat the purpose but something could be saved by putting more of the cost of employing people on those that get the benefit rather than the taxpayer.
Our inflation rate is also getting dangerously low. Without getting all AEP about deflation policies that brought the inflation rate in the medium term more in line with the BoE target would probably be healthier. Deflation or very low inflation is almost certainly a factor in the appalling performance of the EZ and we should be careful not to join them.
Osborne has an election to win but he has no money to buy it. The deficit is barely falling despite the strong growth and simply throwing the cash around risks the USP of economic credibility that has been so hard won. I think that increasing the minimum wage would give Osborne the biggest bang for his limited bucks.
Measures such pumping government money into schemes like “help to buy” properties really don’t impact on many UKIPers.
Increasing the minimum wage, however, might resonate.
I don't think the minimum wage would help with targeting UKIP voters that much. UKIP voters are disproportionately to be found among the retired.
The only single thing that I can think of is the idea of cutting alcohol duty rates for on licence sales, to help pubs compete against supermarkets.
These older working class type UKIP voters that get talked about don't give a flying **** about the present. They care about their kid's and grandkid's future (or lack of it currently).
I doubt that UKIP voters are really that different to most humans.
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
Who did that?!
When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
Because my original post featured minorities as a sarcastic mocking of your lazy kipper stereotype, and they are often unfairly stereotyped in a negative way by people you probably think are UKIPpers.. as you just proved
If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
Let's see how long it takes for a poster to conform to the kipper stereotype. I'm guessing that a Muslim post won't be long in coming. Hope I'm wrong, but I probably won't be.
You don't get it do you?
That's the equivalent of a racist saying that next time a mugging in South London turns out to be by a black man, its conformation to a black stereotype
As I said you cant use that logic for your own prejudices without giving up the right to criticise others who do so for theirs
Who would you prefer to move next door to you? You can have a rest if you feel tired before answering.
See?! You are judging me without any reason to do so!
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
Who did that?!
When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
Because my original post featured minorities as a sarcastic mocking of your lazy kipper stereotype, and they are often unfairly stereotyped in a negative way by people you probably think are UKIPpers.. as you just proved
If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
Let's see how long it takes for a poster to conform to the kipper stereotype. I'm guessing that a Muslim post won't be long in coming. Hope I'm wrong, but I probably won't be.
That's at least a more subtle way of trying to prevent problems being mentioned.
Give it two days for the likely candidate to come off best behaviour trying to prove a point by restraining himself, then several posts by Wednesday.
I find it really remarkable how some posters here are so happy to lump groups of people together by a lazy stereotype but would feel outraged if such behaviour were done in relation to race or religion or ethnic origin.
From time to time, I'll try and wind-up Morris dancer or TSE by talk of cloth caps, whippets, clog dancing and tripe but only ever in such circumstances where there is no danger of me being taken seriously. However, the stereotypes that get thrown around on here about voters for political parties would be illegal if applied in other contexts. Which indicates to me that actually rather too many haven't really grasped the idea that treating people as lumps rather than individuals is not actually a good idea, and that takes us right back to the murder of Steven Lawrence.
George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
Deport non whites for the hat trick?
The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
Who did that?!
When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
Because my original post featured minorities as a sarcastic mocking of your lazy kipper stereotype, and they are often unfairly stereotyped in a negative way by people you probably think are UKIPpers.. as you just proved
If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
Let's see how long it takes for a poster to conform to the kipper stereotype. I'm guessing that a Muslim post won't be long in coming. Hope I'm wrong, but I probably won't be.
You don't get it do you?
That's the equivalent of a racist saying that next time a mugging in South London turns out to be by a black man, its conformation to a black stereotype
As I said you cant use that logic for your own prejudices without giving up the right to criticise others who do so for theirs
Who would you prefer to move next door to you? You can have a rest if you feel tired before answering.
See?! You are judging me without any reason to do so!
No it was a dig at the people's champion, Nigel, the leader of the MEP, who calls Thai people ting tong.
Interesting that this article mentions Eyjaf, in 2010, but not Grimsvotn, in 2011.
Since the airline industry had agreed a safety threshold for ash concentration above zero after Eyjaf, the disruption in 2011 was much less than in 2010, so any eruption in the near-future would have to be a lot larger than the 2010 eruption to cause a similar level of disruption.
Give it two days for the likely candidate to come off best behaviour trying to prove a point by restraining himself, then several posts by Wednesday.
I find it really remarkable how some posters here are so happy to lump groups of people together by a lazy stereotype but would feel outraged if such behaviour were done in relation to race or religion or ethnic origin.
From time to time, I'll try and wind-up Morris dancer or TSE by talk of cloth caps, whippets, clog dancing and tripe but only ever in such circumstances where there is no danger of me being taken seriously. However, the stereotypes that get thrown around on here about voters for political parties would be illegal if applied in other contexts. Which indicates to me that actually rather too many haven't really grasped the idea that treating people as lumps rather than individuals is not actually a good idea, and that takes us right back to the murder of Steven Lawrence.
You realize that this was started from an off the cuff comment about whether originals and green fees don't you? I thought I was on pretty safe tounge in cheek territory. Apparently not.
Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.
So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?
How does that work? All this leaves aside that Labour is pro immigration and multi culturalism and rabidly pro the EU. Someone needs to explain how any of this works.
These older working class type UKIP voters that get talked about don't give a flying **** about the present. They care about their kid's and grandkid's future (or lack of it currently).
And how does undermining their kids/grandkids opportunities to live and travel and work across a market 5 times greater than the UK's help that. Anecdata: there's a guy in my town who is a street cleaner for the council - his daughter lives in Spain teaching English.
This is why the assumption that Kippers are all going to suddenly flock to the Tories has never made any sense. They just don't agree with the Tories on the economy at all. They don't care about whether the deficit is cut or not, all the polls show they're more against austerity than average, and because they're (typically) so poor they don't have any time for the fear of Labour tax rises campaign that the Tories will be running. So for what reason would a typical UKIP voter move to the Tories when they don't agree with Tory economic policies, and when on social issues UKIP offer them more "full-fat" rightwing stances?
The political world has completely misunderstood UKIP voters from the beginning, based solely on the fact that many of them voted Tory in 2010 (failing to take account of the fact that the Tories that time pulled in many floating voters who did not consider themselves to be instinctive Tory "identifiers").
Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.
So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?
How does that work? All this leaves aside that Labour is pro immigration and multi culturalism and rabidly pro the EU. Someone needs to explain how any of this works.
It works this way:
Labour is pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
Tories are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
L/Dems are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
The Lab/Lib/Con party is all the same and there is no difference between the parties except nuance.
Vote UKIP and get UKIP: and Flightpath you keep on crashing
Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.
So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?
How does that work? All this leaves aside that Labour is pro immigration and multi culturalism and rabidly pro the EU. Someone needs to explain how any of this works.
It works this way:
Labour is pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
Tories are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
L/Dems are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
The Lab/Lib/Con party is all the same and there is no difference between the parties except nuance.
Vote UKIP and get UKIP: and Flightpath you keep on crashing
Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.
So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?
How does that work? All this leaves aside that Labour is pro immigration and multi culturalism and rabidly pro the EU. Someone needs to explain how any of this works.
It works this way:
Labour is pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
Tories are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
L/Dems are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
The Lab/Lib/Con party is all the same and there is no difference between the parties except nuance.
Vote UKIP and get UKIP: and Flightpath you keep on crashing
Vote UKIP in CON-LAB battlegrounds and you are likely to get Labour.
Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.
So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?
How does that work? All this leaves aside that Labour is pro immigration and multi culturalism and rabidly pro the EU. Someone needs to explain how any of this works.
It works this way:
Labour is pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
Tories are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
L/Dems are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
The Lab/Lib/Con party is all the same and there is no difference between the parties except nuance.
Vote UKIP and get UKIP: and Flightpath you keep on crashing
Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.
So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?
I wrote earlier in the day:
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.
So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?
How does that work? All this leaves aside that Labour is pro immigration and multi culturalism and rabidly pro the EU. Someone needs to explain how any of this works.
It works this way:
Labour is pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
Tories are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
L/Dems are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
The Lab/Lib/Con party is all the same and there is no difference between the parties except nuance.
Vote UKIP and get UKIP: and Flightpath you keep on crashing
Vote UKIP in CON-LAB battlegrounds and you are likely to get Labour.
But are many UKIP voters going to care about that? Didn't you post a poll a few weeks ago which showed almost half of UKIP voters thought Labour was the lesser of two evils compared to the Tories anyway?
Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.
So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?
How does that work? All this leaves aside that Labour is pro immigration and multi culturalism and rabidly pro the EU. Someone needs to explain how any of this works.
It works this way:
Labour is pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
Tories are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
L/Dems are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
The Lab/Lib/Con party is all the same and there is no difference between the parties except nuance.
Vote UKIP and get UKIP: and Flightpath you keep on crashing
Vote UKIP in CON-LAB battlegrounds and you are likely to get Labour.
I also wrote earlier:
Since Blair and Cameron arrived on the political stage, there is really very little difference between modern Labour and Tory parties.
Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.
So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?
How does that work? All this leaves aside that Labour is pro immigration and multi culturalism and rabidly pro the EU. Someone needs to explain how any of this works.
It works this way:
Labour is pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
Tories are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
L/Dems are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
The Lab/Lib/Con party is all the same and there is no difference between the parties except nuance.
Vote UKIP and get UKIP: and Flightpath you keep on crashing
Vote UKIP in CON-LAB battlegrounds and you are likely to get Labour.
I also wrote earlier:
Since Blair and Cameron arrived on the political stage, there is really very little difference between modern Labour and Tory parties.
Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.
So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?
How does that work? All this leaves aside that Labour is pro immigration and multi culturalism and rabidly pro the EU. Someone needs to explain how any of this works.
It works this way:
Labour is pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
Tories are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
L/Dems are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
The Lab/Lib/Con party is all the same and there is no difference between the parties except nuance.
Vote UKIP and get UKIP: and Flightpath you keep on crashing
Vote UKIP in CON-LAB battlegrounds and you are likely to get Labour.
I also wrote earlier:
Since Blair and Cameron arrived on the political stage, there is really very little difference between modern Labour and Tory parties.
That is a plain silly comment.
Search your feelings, Flightpath. You will know it to be true.
Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.
So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?
How does that work? All this leaves aside that Labour is pro immigration and multi culturalism and rabidly pro the EU. Someone needs to explain how any of this works.
It works this way:
Labour is pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
Tories are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
L/Dems are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
The Lab/Lib/Con party is all the same and there is no difference between the parties except nuance.
Vote UKIP and get UKIP: and Flightpath you keep on crashing
Vote UKIP in CON-LAB battlegrounds and you are likely to get Labour.
That's his point though, it doesn't matter. I used to be a dyed in the wool Tory boy, now I only marginally rate them above Labour. For one thing, the only way to wrest control of the Tory party away from the current junta is for them to lose.
This is why the assumption that Kippers are all going to suddenly flock to the Tories has never made any sense. They just don't agree with the Tories on the economy at all. They don't care about whether the deficit is cut or not, all the polls show they're more against austerity than average, and because they're (typically) so poor they don't have any time for the fear of Labour tax rises campaign that the Tories will be running. So for what reason would a typical UKIP voter move to the Tories when they don't agree with Tory economic policies, and when on social issues UKIP offer them more "full-fat" rightwing stances?
The political world has completely misunderstood UKIP voters from the beginning, based solely on the fact that many of them voted Tory in 2010 (failing to take account of the fact that the Tories that time pulled in many floating voters who did not consider themselves to be instinctive Tory "identifiers").
I disagree with this -I think the majority of Kippers still want the deficit (and indeed the national debt) cut, and are really worried about the state of the nation's finances. That's why they don't support the Tories -the Tories have failed to eat into the deficit, and the debt is increasing at a catastrophic rate.
Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.
So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?
I wrote earlier in the day:
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
We can all asee the dog whistles that UKIP give. But really... on evey fundamental pillar that UKIP stand for they will see the country royally shafted by labour - so they vote to put labour in?
It is a fantasy perpetuated in the mad minds of frenzied Kippers that Labour and Tories are the same. They are clearly not. Voting to put in :Labour is a total nihilistic act by anybody who votes UKIP. No doubt the most frenzied in UKIP are nihilists (amongst other things) but I would rather not be dragged down with them. My own suspicion is that UKIP give the meanest most extreme minded people in the country a bit of a thrill and not much else matters. Certainly what UKIP peddle about the EU (something it used to be interested in) is founded on a big lie.
Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.
So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?
I wrote earlier in the day:
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
We can all asee the dog whistles that UKIP give. But really... on evey fundamental pillar that UKIP stand for they will see the country royally shafted by labour - so they vote to put labour in?
I say unto you once more: Since Blair and Cameron arrived on the political stage, there is really very little difference between modern Labour and Tory parties.
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Is that the game where you watch where the ball goes, and where it lands start digging for Shale Oil?
And I've never played cricket. (More 5aside - see also - Cameron)
But I presume it's the game where you try to hit the ball without it hitting your face.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frak_(expletive)
Talk amongst yourselves you hilarious swines!
Throw in a bit of Latin for extra cleverness x
The only single thing that I can think of is the idea of cutting alcohol duty rates for on licence sales, to help pubs compete against supermarkets.
The retired worry more about their children and grandchildren than they do about themselves, at least all the ones I know do and I see no reason why my circle should be unusual. So I would have thought policies that help the young and youngish would actually be popular with the older voter.
Slashing duty on booze would be terrifically popular though.
I remember reading that the the kipper vote was more than it would have taken to oust him.
'...National Grid is forced to pay wind turbines millions of pounds to switch off on windy days in order to balance out demand. Last week, it paid wind developers £2.8m and £1.1m to other generators in balancing payments as high winds coincided with a period of low demand.'
http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/2360817/wind-energy-smashes-uk-energy-share-record
Remember 'Vote Blue - Go Green'
When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
This should give a further downward push to petrol prices - won't make a massive difference but every bit helps.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business/market_data/commodities/143908/twelve_month.stm
David Cameron has dismissed Alex Salmond as a "desperate man" making a "desperate argument", after the Scottish first minister moved to rejuvenate the yes campaign by saying independence was the best way of protecting the NHS north of the border from Tory-led privatisation.
As Salmond launched a new Arbroath "declaration of opportunity" to protect the NHS from a "privatisation and fragmentation agenda", the prime minister said the only person with the power to change the health service in Scotland was the first minister.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/18/david-cameron-alex-salmond-nhs
Alex Salmond’s plan for a separate Scotland’s currency is mired deeper in confusion after he said keeping the pound without the Bank of England’s support would only be a stopgap.
The First Minister said a viable "transition option" was Scotland continuing to use sterling even if the UK parties continue to reject a Eurozone-style currency union.
But, speaking with a month to go before the September 18 referendum, he refused to say which of the two long-term options – the euro or a new currency – Scotland would move to after the transition period or how long that would be
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11041521/Alex-Salmond-Keeping-pound-may-only-be-a-stopgap.html
Another niche issue is Gaza. Following the article which I linked to from this site, I organised a local meeting on Sunday for two hours of discussion. It attracted more than 100 constituents - the second largest meeting I've ever held, mostly non-party members. The number of Muslim or Jewish voters in the constituency is tiny, but lots of people want to talk about it. We had a fair spectrum of views, reasonably politely exchanged, though 90 supported an arms embargo on the immediate region. Enjoyed it, through a fog of jetlag.
When a problem exists that contradicts PC the media and political class cover it up. Mentioning those problems will inevitably involve ethnicity because the problems related to ethnicity are the ones the political and media class cover up.
If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
"Cat heads found in dumped bin bag in Manchester"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-28834632
Slashing duty on booze would be terrifically popular though.
Very true, Mr Llama. Visited by adult granddaughter yesterday. The topic of work/taxation came up and my wife, who usually leaves that sort of thing to me, asked how she was managing about repaying her student loan.
The reply was that it was just another tax, although she didn’t get rebates on it. (She’s a supply teacher, so doesn’t get paid in the holidays.)
Not entirely sure a cut in the duty on booze would go down that well, although it would do my pocket a power of good. Don’t want the young encouraged to drink!
http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil-brent.aspx?timeframe=5y
The big movement in oil prices was in the winter of 2010-11. It will be a major move back down if the oil price goes below $90. Possible if/when the Chinese economy hits a bump in the road.
The only single thing that I can think of is the idea of cutting alcohol duty rates for on licence sales, to help pubs compete against supermarkets.
These older working class type UKIP voters that get talked about don't give a flying **** about the present. They care about their kid's and grandkid's future (or lack of it currently).
The reply was that it was just another tax, although she didn’t get rebates on it. (She’s a supply teacher, so doesn’t get paid in the holidays.)
Not entirely sure a cut in the duty on booze would go down that well, although it would do my pocket a power of good. Don’t want the young encouraged to drink!
Do the young drink that much, Mr. Cole. I know we see scenes of town centres and hear horrendous tales, but I actually think that on the whole they drink less than my generation did at their age and probably even now. Cost has got something to do with that, but probably not much, it seems to be more of an attitude thing.
That's the equivalent of a racist saying that next time a mugging in South London turns out to be by a black man, its conformation of a black stereotype
As I said you cant use that logic for your own prejudices without giving up the right to criticise others who do so for theirs
Farage was asked a question and he answered honestly... if he had come out and said "Who would you prefer living next door to you? X or Y?" that would have been different
Our inflation rate is also getting dangerously low. Without getting all AEP about deflation policies that brought the inflation rate in the medium term more in line with the BoE target would probably be healthier. Deflation or very low inflation is almost certainly a factor in the appalling performance of the EZ and we should be careful not to join them.
Osborne has an election to win but he has no money to buy it. The deficit is barely falling despite the strong growth and simply throwing the cash around risks the USP of economic credibility that has been so hard won. I think that increasing the minimum wage would give Osborne the biggest bang for his limited bucks.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-28840210
You stick with alcohol duty in supermarkets then.
Who would I prefer out of which choice?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-28841040
From time to time, I'll try and wind-up Morris dancer or TSE by talk of cloth caps, whippets, clog dancing and tripe but only ever in such circumstances where there is no danger of me being taken seriously. However, the stereotypes that get thrown around on here about voters for political parties would be illegal if applied in other contexts. Which indicates to me that actually rather too many haven't really grasped the idea that treating people as lumps rather than individuals is not actually a good idea, and that takes us right back to the murder of Steven Lawrence.
Still, If I see a black mugger on London Tonight it wont make me think bad of black people as a whole
Since the airline industry had agreed a safety threshold for ash concentration above zero after Eyjaf, the disruption in 2011 was much less than in 2010, so any eruption in the near-future would have to be a lot larger than the 2010 eruption to cause a similar level of disruption.
Apparently looters attacked an Ebola isloation unit in Liberia, after which 17 patients went missing.
How does that work?
All this leaves aside that Labour is pro immigration and multi culturalism and rabidly pro the EU. Someone needs to explain how any of this works.
Anecdata: there's a guy in my town who is a street cleaner for the council - his daughter lives in Spain teaching English.
The political world has completely misunderstood UKIP voters from the beginning, based solely on the fact that many of them voted Tory in 2010 (failing to take account of the fact that the Tories that time pulled in many floating voters who did not consider themselves to be instinctive Tory "identifiers").
Labour is pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
Tories are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
L/Dems are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.
The Lab/Lib/Con party is all the same and there is no difference between the parties except nuance.
Vote UKIP and get UKIP: and Flightpath you keep on crashing
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Since Blair and Cameron arrived on the political stage, there is really very little difference between modern Labour and Tory parties.
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=ting+tong+litttle+britain
http://littlebritain.wikia.com/wiki/Dudley_and_Ting_Tong
When the women is told what "ting tong" means I reckon she will be more upset than she is now.
Atkinson should prob be booted out.. any relation of Ron you reckon?
Funny how that was only a decade ago yet it managed to play on every stereotype and ism yet be fawned over by all the right on mob
It is a fantasy perpetuated in the mad minds of frenzied Kippers that Labour and Tories are the same. They are clearly not. Voting to put in :Labour is a total nihilistic act by anybody who votes UKIP. No doubt the most frenzied in UKIP are nihilists (amongst other things) but I would rather not be dragged down with them.
My own suspicion is that UKIP give the meanest most extreme minded people in the country a bit of a thrill and not much else matters.
Certainly what UKIP peddle about the EU (something it used to be interested in) is founded on a big lie.