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  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    edited August 2014

    Patrick said:

    Patrick said:

    Eh?...when did India become a success?

    Once proudly socialist and nonaligned, India is being remade as a roaring capitalist success story and emerging strategic partner of the United States. Economic reforms have raised per capita GDP and lowered poverty rates, while New Delhi's growing self-confidence may help it become the swing state in the global balance of power.

    http://www.foreignaffairs.com/features/collections/the-rise-of-india
    Hmm....the direction of travel is once again (probably) improving with the new government....but there's an AWFUL long way to go. I always thought India was basically unreformable, unmodernisable. I hope I'm wrong. It's still a tragically poor and backwards place. The life opportunities of a rural Untouchable are frankly an outrage.
    If they carry on adhering to the Caste system (especially through marriage), believing in Astrology (it's considered a science at University level - strange but true!), and playing frakking Cricket, they will always lag behind!
    "playing frakking Cricket"

    Is that the game where you watch where the ball goes, and where it lands start digging for Shale Oil?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    isam said:

    MikeK said:

    Sean_F said:

    Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?

    Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.

    Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.

    I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
    Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?

    You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
    Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.

    Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
    Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.

    The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
    I thought gay marriage was the thing that REALLY p****d off the Kippers.
    Yeah that'll get Kippers back

    We did something that made you vote UKIP, made London house prices soar and implemented a Lib Dem policy we used to disagree with

    Vote Tory!
    How did gay marriage make London house prices soar?
  • Charles said:

    isam said:

    MikeK said:

    Sean_F said:

    Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?

    Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.

    Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.

    I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
    Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?

    You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
    Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.

    Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
    Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.

    The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
    I thought gay marriage was the thing that REALLY p****d off the Kippers.
    Yeah that'll get Kippers back

    We did something that made you vote UKIP, made London house prices soar and implemented a Lib Dem policy we used to disagree with

    Vote Tory!
    How did gay marriage make London house prices soar?
    Gay marriage led to the floods that made rural homeowners want to move to London, which pushed up prices.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380

    Patrick said:

    Patrick said:

    Eh?...when did India become a success?

    Once proudly socialist and nonaligned, India is being remade as a roaring capitalist success story and emerging strategic partner of the United States. Economic reforms have raised per capita GDP and lowered poverty rates, while New Delhi's growing self-confidence may help it become the swing state in the global balance of power.

    http://www.foreignaffairs.com/features/collections/the-rise-of-india
    Hmm....the direction of travel is once again (probably) improving with the new government....but there's an AWFUL long way to go. I always thought India was basically unreformable, unmodernisable. I hope I'm wrong. It's still a tragically poor and backwards place. The life opportunities of a rural Untouchable are frankly an outrage.
    If they carry on adhering to the Caste system (especially through marriage), believing in Astrology (it's considered a science at University level - strange but true!), and playing frakking Cricket, they will always lag behind!
    "playing frakking Cricket"

    Is that the game where you watch where the ball goes, and when it lands start digging for Shale Oil?
    I'm not a sportsman, per se,

    And I've never played cricket. (More 5aside - see also - Cameron)

    But I presume it's the game where you try to hit the ball without it hitting your face.

  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380

    JBriskin said:

    JBriskin said:

    JBriskin said:

    Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.

    If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.

    Those are minor flaws.

    Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
    And Libya's a bed of roses now, isn't it?
    Give it time.
    Three years and counting...
    Nation building takes time, look how long it took India to become a success after Independence.
    How about Pakistan and Bangladesh, out of interest?
    Once they re-unite, within in weeks.
    You are dreaming!
    I wouldn't know-

    As, I keep telling you all - the OU did not teach me high Politics-

    Bangladesh are top right and the Christians???

    Location correct, but Christians only a minority (along with Hindus), the Bangladeshis are ~85% Muslim.
    Thanks Sunil - yet more info for me (I'm not taking the piss either), I was under the impression that the whole principle of Bangladesh was to protect the Christians (probably misread something from channel 4)
    Nah, it split from Pakistan in late 1971 (after Indian intervention). Throughout 1971 there was a bloody civil war between the Pakistan military and the Bangladeshi separatists

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Liberation_War
    Ah, yes, I remember now - there was left Pakistan and right Pakistan. Difficult to keep up with.

    Yep, separated by 1,500 miles of often hostile Indian territory! Geographically absurd!
    Quite - thankfully there is no such problems with the Scottish #indyref
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,163

    JBriskin said:

    JBriskin said:

    JBriskin said:

    Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.

    If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.

    Those are minor flaws.

    Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
    And Libya's a bed of roses now, isn't it?
    Give it time.
    Three years and counting...
    Nation building takes time, look how long it took India to become a success after Independence.
    How about Pakistan and Bangladesh, out of interest?
    Once they re-unite, within in weeks.
    You are dreaming!
    I wouldn't know-

    As, I keep telling you all - the OU did not teach me high Politics-

    Bangladesh are top right and the Christians???

    Location correct, but Christians only a minority (along with Hindus), the Bangladeshis are ~85% Muslim.
    Thanks Sunil - yet more info for me (I'm not taking the piss either), I was under the impression that the whole principle of Bangladesh was to protect the Christians (probably misread something from channel 4)
    Nah, it split from Pakistan in late 1971 (after Indian intervention). Throughout 1971 there was a bloody civil war between the Pakistan military and the Bangladeshi separatists

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Liberation_War
    Ah, yes, I remember now - there was left Pakistan and right Pakistan. Difficult to keep up with.

    Yep, separated by 1,500 miles of often hostile Indian territory! Geographically absurd!
    If you want geographical absurdity, look at the border between India and Bangladesh - there are enclaves within enclaves within enclaves.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,118
    edited August 2014

    Patrick said:

    Patrick said:

    Eh?...when did India become a success?

    Once proudly socialist and nonaligned, India is being remade as a roaring capitalist success story and emerging strategic partner of the United States. Economic reforms have raised per capita GDP and lowered poverty rates, while New Delhi's growing self-confidence may help it become the swing state in the global balance of power.

    http://www.foreignaffairs.com/features/collections/the-rise-of-india
    Hmm....the direction of travel is once again (probably) improving with the new government....but there's an AWFUL long way to go. I always thought India was basically unreformable, unmodernisable. I hope I'm wrong. It's still a tragically poor and backwards place. The life opportunities of a rural Untouchable are frankly an outrage.
    If they carry on adhering to the Caste system (especially through marriage), believing in Astrology (it's considered a science at University level - strange but true!), and playing frakking Cricket, they will always lag behind!
    "playing frakking Cricket"

    Is that the game where you watch where the ball goes, and where it lands start digging for Shale Oil?
    Frak me!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frak_(expletive)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    MikeK said:

    Sean_F said:

    Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?

    Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.

    Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.

    I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
    Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?

    You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
    Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.

    Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
    Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.

    The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
    I thought gay marriage was the thing that REALLY p****d off the Kippers.
    Yeah that'll get Kippers back

    We did something that made you vote UKIP, made London house prices soar and implemented a Lib Dem policy we used to disagree with

    Vote Tory!
    How did gay marriage make London house prices soar?
    Gay marriage led to the floods that made rural homeowners want to move to London, which pushed up prices.
    @Charles

    Talk amongst yourselves you hilarious swines!

    Throw in a bit of Latin for extra cleverness x
  • isam said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    MikeK said:

    Sean_F said:

    Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?

    Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.

    Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.

    I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
    Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?

    You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
    Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.

    Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
    Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.

    The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
    I thought gay marriage was the thing that REALLY p****d off the Kippers.
    Yeah that'll get Kippers back

    We did something that made you vote UKIP, made London house prices soar and implemented a Lib Dem policy we used to disagree with

    Vote Tory!
    How did gay marriage make London house prices soar?
    Gay marriage led to the floods that made rural homeowners want to move to London, which pushed up prices.
    @Charles

    Talk amongst yourselves you hilarious swines!

    Throw in a bit of Latin for extra cleverness x
    perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim
  • Typing in Latin on your phone wanting to auto-correct every word is the second most difficult thing in the world.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    MikeK said:

    Sean_F said:

    Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?

    Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.

    Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.

    I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
    Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?

    You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
    Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.

    Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
    Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.

    The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
    I thought gay marriage was the thing that REALLY p****d off the Kippers.
    Yeah that'll get Kippers back

    We did something that made you vote UKIP, made London house prices soar and implemented a Lib Dem policy we used to disagree with

    Vote Tory!
    How did gay marriage make London house prices soar?
    Gay marriage led to the floods that made rural homeowners want to move to London, which pushed up prices.
    @Charles

    Talk amongst yourselves you hilarious swines!

    Throw in a bit of Latin for extra cleverness x
    perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim
    You took the words right out of my mouth!
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    Mr. Rentool, when I'm not being mistaken for a 'PBTory' I'm usually being mistaken for a Kipper!

    I have voted for them (the purples) a couple of times.

    Who did you vote for at last GE ?
  • isam said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    MikeK said:

    Sean_F said:

    Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?

    Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.

    Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.

    I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
    Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?

    You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
    Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.

    Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
    Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.

    The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
    I thought gay marriage was the thing that REALLY p****d off the Kippers.
    Yeah that'll get Kippers back

    We did something that made you vote UKIP, made London house prices soar and implemented a Lib Dem policy we used to disagree with

    Vote Tory!
    How did gay marriage make London house prices soar?
    Gay marriage led to the floods that made rural homeowners want to move to London, which pushed up prices.
    @Charles

    Talk amongst yourselves you hilarious swines!

    Throw in a bit of Latin for extra cleverness x
    perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim
    Sine qua non
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,163
    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    You can blame Ed Davey for the Green Fees...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    You can blame Ed Davey for the Green Fees...
    Kippers play Golf?
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Measures such pumping government money into schemes like “help to buy” properties really don’t impact on many UKIPers.

    Increasing the minimum wage, however, might resonate.
    I don't think the minimum wage would help with targeting UKIP voters that much. UKIP voters are disproportionately to be found among the retired.

    The only single thing that I can think of is the idea of cutting alcohol duty rates for on licence sales, to help pubs compete against supermarkets.

    The retired worry more about their children and grandchildren than they do about themselves, at least all the ones I know do and I see no reason why my circle should be unusual. So I would have thought policies that help the young and youngish would actually be popular with the older voter.

    Slashing duty on booze would be terrifically popular though.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Pulpstar, Conservative. The candidate was just a thousand or so votes short of defeating the vile Balls.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    The candidate was just a thousand or so votes short of defeating the vile Balls.

    I remember reading that the the kipper vote was more than it would have taken to oust him.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,163
    Talking of Green Fees:

    '...National Grid is forced to pay wind turbines millions of pounds to switch off on windy days in order to balance out demand. Last week, it paid wind developers £2.8m and £1.1m to other generators in balancing payments as high winds coincided with a period of low demand.'

    http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/2360817/wind-energy-smashes-uk-energy-share-record

    Remember 'Vote Blue - Go Green'
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Taffys, quite so.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited August 2014
    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
    Who did that?!

    When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    economic warfare
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534
    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
    Who did that?!

    When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
    He's buttering us up, to get our votes back.

  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
    Who did that?!

    When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
    Mr Sam, Lazy stereotypes are, as you must have noticed, as much part and parcel of this site as Mr Eagles sneaky references to 1980s pop-music. I fear many people missed the point of their diversity training.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
    Who did that?!

    When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
    MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Oil down another $2 today to $101. Another 12 month low - see graph (today's move not yet on graph).

    This should give a further downward push to petrol prices - won't make a massive difference but every bit helps.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business/market_data/commodities/143908/twelve_month.stm
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    He'll rue the day.....

    David Cameron has dismissed Alex Salmond as a "desperate man" making a "desperate argument", after the Scottish first minister moved to rejuvenate the yes campaign by saying independence was the best way of protecting the NHS north of the border from Tory-led privatisation.

    As Salmond launched a new Arbroath "declaration of opportunity" to protect the NHS from a "privatisation and fragmentation agenda", the prime minister said the only person with the power to change the health service in Scotland was the first minister.


    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/18/david-cameron-alex-salmond-nhs
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
    Who did that?!

    When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
    MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
    Nutty Kipper councillors are the Tory's best friends! More, more, I say, more!!
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Sean_F said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
    Who did that?!

    When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
    He's buttering us up, to get our votes back.

    Why would I think for a moment that anything anybody posts on here will have the slightest impact on someone's voting preference? This is one of the most fiercely tribal sites on the web.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Well that's cleared that up!

    Alex Salmond’s plan for a separate Scotland’s currency is mired deeper in confusion after he said keeping the pound without the Bank of England’s support would only be a stopgap.

    The First Minister said a viable "transition option" was Scotland continuing to use sterling even if the UK parties continue to reject a Eurozone-style currency union.

    But, speaking with a month to go before the September 18 referendum, he refused to say which of the two long-term options – the euro or a new currency – Scotland would move to after the transition period or how long that would be


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11041521/Alex-Salmond-Keeping-pound-may-only-be-a-stopgap.html
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    MikeL said:

    Oil down another $2 today to $101. Another 12 month low - see graph (today's move not yet on graph).

    This should give a further downward push to petrol prices - won't make a massive difference but every bit helps.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business/market_data/commodities/143908/twelve_month.stm

    World economy spiralling downwards.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    surbiton said:

    MikeL said:

    Oil down another $2 today to $101. Another 12 month low - see graph (today's move not yet on graph).

    This should give a further downward push to petrol prices - won't make a massive difference but every bit helps.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business/market_data/commodities/143908/twelve_month.stm

    World economy spiralling downwards.
    You're a right kipper, aren't you!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
    Who did that?!

    When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
    MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
    A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    JBriskin said:

    JBriskin said:

    JBriskin said:

    Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.

    If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.

    Those are minor flaws.

    Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
    And Libya's a bed of roses now, isn't it?
    Give it time.
    Three years and counting...
    Nation building takes time, look how long it took India to become a success after Independence.
    How about Pakistan and Bangladesh, out of interest?
    Once they re-unite, within in weeks.
    You are dreaming!
    I wouldn't know-

    As, I keep telling you all - the OU did not teach me high Politics-

    Bangladesh are top right and the Christians???

    Location correct, but Christians only a minority (along with Hindus), the Bangladeshis are ~85% Muslim.
    Thanks Sunil - yet more info for me (I'm not taking the piss either), I was under the impression that the whole principle of Bangladesh was to protect the Christians (probably misread something from channel 4)
    Nah, it split from Pakistan in late 1971 (after Indian intervention). Throughout 1971 there was a bloody civil war between the Pakistan military and the Bangladeshi separatists

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Liberation_War
    Ah, yes, I remember now - there was left Pakistan and right Pakistan. Difficult to keep up with.

    Yep, separated by 1,500 miles of often hostile Indian territory! Geographically absurd!
    One ate rice, the other Roti [ bread ]. One wore shalwar, the other lunghi. One spoke Punjabi/ Pushtp/Baluchi/Urdu, the other Bengali.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    radsatser said:


    You don't have to dig very deep in a conversation with most voters to find real anger at Overseas Aid.

    It's always risky to extrapolate personal experience to "most voters", especially in marginals. Most voters who raise overseas aid with me do so because they want it increased or protected at the 0.7% of GDP level. It's one of those issues where supporters are very keen even though there's a majority vaguely opposed. It's one of the two things that the remaining LibDems often quote as a reason for sticking with the Coalition (the other being gay marriage), though they grumble that the pledge to put it into law hasn't been fulfilled.

    Another niche issue is Gaza. Following the article which I linked to from this site, I organised a local meeting on Sunday for two hours of discussion. It attracted more than 100 constituents - the second largest meeting I've ever held, mostly non-party members. The number of Muslim or Jewish voters in the constituency is tiny, but lots of people want to talk about it. We had a fair spectrum of views, reasonably politely exchanged, though 90 supported an arms embargo on the immediate region. Enjoyed it, through a fog of jetlag.

  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    ''though 90 supported an arms embargo on the immediate region.'' - Explain how that would work.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
    Who did that?!

    When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
    MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
    A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
    Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.

    When a problem exists that contradicts PC the media and political class cover it up. Mentioning those problems will inevitably involve ethnicity because the problems related to ethnicity are the ones the political and media class cover up.



  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited August 2014
    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
    Who did that?!

    When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
    MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
    A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
    Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
    Because my original post featured minorities as a sarcastic mocking of your lazy kipper stereotype, and they are often unfairly stereotyped in a negative way by people you probably think are UKIPpers.. as you just proved

    If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    The creation of a plantation economy effects the unskilled first and then gradually works its way up so all the Con and Lib voters who think this economic warfare isn't going to effect them should look at the ongoing destruction of the middle class in America as they are 10-15 years ahead in this regard.



  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,163
    One for plato (and Manc takeaway eaters!):

    "Cat heads found in dumped bin bag in Manchester"

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-28834632
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704

    Measures such pumping government money into schemes like “help to buy” properties really don’t impact on many UKIPers.

    Increasing the minimum wage, however, might resonate.
    I don't think the minimum wage would help with targeting UKIP voters that much. UKIP voters are disproportionately to be found among the retired.

    The only single thing that I can think of is the idea of cutting alcohol duty rates for on licence sales, to help pubs compete against supermarkets.
    The retired worry more about their children and grandchildren than they do about themselves, at least all the ones I know do and I see no reason why my circle should be unusual. So I would have thought policies that help the young and youngish would actually be popular with the older voter.

    Slashing duty on booze would be terrifically popular though.

    Very true, Mr Llama. Visited by adult granddaughter yesterday. The topic of work/taxation came up and my wife, who usually leaves that sort of thing to me, asked how she was managing about repaying her student loan.
    The reply was that it was just another tax, although she didn’t get rebates on it. (She’s a supply teacher, so doesn’t get paid in the holidays.)

    Not entirely sure a cut in the duty on booze would go down that well, although it would do my pocket a power of good. Don’t want the young encouraged to drink!
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    MikeL said:

    Oil down another $2 today to $101. Another 12 month low - see graph (today's move not yet on graph).

    This should give a further downward push to petrol prices - won't make a massive difference but every bit helps.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business/market_data/commodities/143908/twelve_month.stm

    A longer term view:

    http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil-brent.aspx?timeframe=5y

    The big movement in oil prices was in the winter of 2010-11. It will be a major move back down if the oil price goes below $90. Possible if/when the Chinese economy hits a bump in the road.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
    Who did that?!

    When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
    MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
    A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
    Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
    Because my original post featured minorities as a sarcastic mocking of your lazy kipper stereotype, and they are often unfairly stereotyped in a negative way by people you probably think are UKIPpers.. as you just proved

    If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
    Let's see how long it takes for a poster to conform to the kipper stereotype. I'm guessing that a Muslim post won't be long in coming. Hope I'm wrong, but I probably won't be.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523

    Measures such pumping government money into schemes like “help to buy” properties really don’t impact on many UKIPers.

    Increasing the minimum wage, however, might resonate.
    I don't think the minimum wage would help with targeting UKIP voters that much. UKIP voters are disproportionately to be found among the retired.

    The only single thing that I can think of is the idea of cutting alcohol duty rates for on licence sales, to help pubs compete against supermarkets.


    These older working class type UKIP voters that get talked about don't give a flying **** about the present. They care about their kid's and grandkid's future (or lack of it currently).
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
    Who did that?!

    When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
    MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
    A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
    Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
    Because my original post featured minorities as a sarcastic mocking of your lazy kipper stereotype, and they are often unfairly stereotyped in a negative way by people you probably think are UKIPpers.. as you just proved

    If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
    Let's see how long it takes for a poster to conform to the kipper stereotype. I'm guessing that a Muslim post won't be long in coming. Hope I'm wrong, but I probably won't be.
    Define "long"?
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
    Who did that?!

    When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
    MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
    A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
    What some consider gaffes are conidered major policy announcements by Kippers.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Measures such pumping government money into schemes like “help to buy” properties really don’t impact on many UKIPers.

    Increasing the minimum wage, however, might resonate.
    I don't think the minimum wage would help with targeting UKIP voters that much. UKIP voters are disproportionately to be found among the retired.

    The only single thing that I can think of is the idea of cutting alcohol duty rates for on licence sales, to help pubs compete against supermarkets.
    The retired worry more about their children and grandchildren than they do about themselves, at least all the ones I know do and I see no reason why my circle should be unusual. So I would have thought policies that help the young and youngish would actually be popular with the older voter.

    Slashing duty on booze would be terrifically popular though.
    Very true, Mr Llama. Visited by adult granddaughter yesterday. The topic of work/taxation came up and my wife, who usually leaves that sort of thing to me, asked how she was managing about repaying her student loan.
    The reply was that it was just another tax, although she didn’t get rebates on it. (She’s a supply teacher, so doesn’t get paid in the holidays.)

    Not entirely sure a cut in the duty on booze would go down that well, although it would do my pocket a power of good. Don’t want the young encouraged to drink!

    Do the young drink that much, Mr. Cole. I know we see scenes of town centres and hear horrendous tales, but I actually think that on the whole they drink less than my generation did at their age and probably even now. Cost has got something to do with that, but probably not much, it seems to be more of an attitude thing.
  • Rexel56Rexel56 Posts: 807
    edited August 2014
    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
    Who did that?!

    When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
    MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
    A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
    Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?

    If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
    Well said sir, I look forward to you making the same point next time a party leader resorts to national stereotyping whilst being interviewed in a tired state...
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    MrJones said:

    Measures such pumping government money into schemes like “help to buy” properties really don’t impact on many UKIPers.

    Increasing the minimum wage, however, might resonate.
    I don't think the minimum wage would help with targeting UKIP voters that much. UKIP voters are disproportionately to be found among the retired.

    The only single thing that I can think of is the idea of cutting alcohol duty rates for on licence sales, to help pubs compete against supermarkets.
    These older working class type UKIP voters that get talked about don't give a flying **** about the present. They care about their kid's and grandkid's future (or lack of it currently).I doubt that UKIP voters are really that different to most humans.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited August 2014
    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
    Who did that?!

    When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
    MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
    A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
    Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
    Because my original post featured minorities as a sarcastic mocking of your lazy kipper stereotype, and they are often unfairly stereotyped in a negative way by people you probably think are UKIPpers.. as you just proved

    If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
    Let's see how long it takes for a poster to conform to the kipper stereotype. I'm guessing that a Muslim post won't be long in coming. Hope I'm wrong, but I probably won't be.
    You don't get it do you?

    That's the equivalent of a racist saying that next time a mugging in South London turns out to be by a black man, its conformation of a black stereotype

    As I said you cant use that logic for your own prejudices without giving up the right to criticise others who do so for theirs
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
    Who did that?!

    When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
    MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
    A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
    Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
    Because my original post featured minorities as a sarcastic mocking of your lazy kipper stereotype, and they are often unfairly stereotyped in a negative way by people you probably think are UKIPpers.. as you just proved

    If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
    Let's see how long it takes for a poster to conform to the kipper stereotype. I'm guessing that a Muslim post won't be long in coming. Hope I'm wrong, but I probably won't be.
    Define "long"?
    Give it two days for the likely candidate to come off best behaviour trying to prove a point by restraining himself, then several posts by Wednesday.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    MikeL said:

    Oil down another $2 today to $101. Another 12 month low - see graph (today's move not yet on graph).

    This should give a further downward push to petrol prices - won't make a massive difference but every bit helps.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business/market_data/commodities/143908/twelve_month.stm

    But falling oil prices (at a time of crisis in the middle east as well) offers the prospect of giving the world economy a boost. But if the USA keeps fracking then lower world prices may be a permanent feature. Has anyone told Salmond.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited August 2014
    Rexel56 said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
    Who did that?!

    When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
    MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
    A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
    Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?

    If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
    Well said sir, I look forward to you making the same point next time a party leader resorts to national stereotyping whilst being interviewed in a tired state...
    ..and if its right, its right!

    Farage was asked a question and he answered honestly... if he had come out and said "Who would you prefer living next door to you? X or Y?" that would have been different


  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
    Who did that?!

    When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
    MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
    A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
    Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
    Because my original post featured minorities as a sarcastic mocking of your lazy kipper stereotype, and they are often unfairly stereotyped in a negative way by people you probably think are UKIPpers.. as you just proved

    If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
    Let's see how long it takes for a poster to conform to the kipper stereotype. I'm guessing that a Muslim post won't be long in coming. Hope I'm wrong, but I probably won't be.
    You don't get it do you?

    That's the equivalent of a racist saying that next time a mugging in South London turns out to be by a black man, its conformation to a black stereotype

    As I said you cant use that logic for your own prejudices without giving up the right to criticise others who do so for theirs
    Who would you prefer to move next door to you? You can have a rest if you feel tired before answering.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    I think that there is some room for manoeuvre on the minimum wage given the strength of the UK job market. It would not be cost free (since quite a lot of public sector workers may well be affected and even more employed in bought in services such as care homes, cleaning etc would be) but the government should be able to claw back some of this by reducing the amount of in work benefits paid. This cannot be pro rata because that would defeat the purpose but something could be saved by putting more of the cost of employing people on those that get the benefit rather than the taxpayer.

    Our inflation rate is also getting dangerously low. Without getting all AEP about deflation policies that brought the inflation rate in the medium term more in line with the BoE target would probably be healthier. Deflation or very low inflation is almost certainly a factor in the appalling performance of the EZ and we should be careful not to join them.

    Osborne has an election to win but he has no money to buy it. The deficit is barely falling despite the strong growth and simply throwing the cash around risks the USP of economic credibility that has been so hard won. I think that increasing the minimum wage would give Osborne the biggest bang for his limited bucks.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    UKIP MEP Janice Atkinson uses 'outrageous' term for Thai woman

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-28840210

  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523

    MrJones said:

    Measures such pumping government money into schemes like “help to buy” properties really don’t impact on many UKIPers.

    Increasing the minimum wage, however, might resonate.
    I don't think the minimum wage would help with targeting UKIP voters that much. UKIP voters are disproportionately to be found among the retired.

    The only single thing that I can think of is the idea of cutting alcohol duty rates for on licence sales, to help pubs compete against supermarkets.
    These older working class type UKIP voters that get talked about don't give a flying **** about the present. They care about their kid's and grandkid's future (or lack of it currently).
    I doubt that UKIP voters are really that different to most humans.

    You stick with alcohol duty in supermarkets then.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
    Who did that?!

    When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
    MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
    A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
    Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
    Because my original post featured minorities as a sarcastic mocking of your lazy kipper stereotype, and they are often unfairly stereotyped in a negative way by people you probably think are UKIPpers.. as you just proved

    If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
    Let's see how long it takes for a poster to conform to the kipper stereotype. I'm guessing that a Muslim post won't be long in coming. Hope I'm wrong, but I probably won't be.
    You don't get it do you?

    That's the equivalent of a racist saying that next time a mugging in South London turns out to be by a black man, its conformation to a black stereotype

    As I said you cant use that logic for your own prejudices without giving up the right to criticise others who do so for theirs
    Who would you prefer to move next door to you? You can have a rest if you feel tired before answering.
    See?! You are judging me without any reason to do so!

    Who would I prefer out of which choice?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Ebola: 17 sufferers are missing in Liberia:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-28841040
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
    Who did that?!

    When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
    MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
    A tiny minority of Kipper councillors/or more likely, failed candidates, put embarrassing stuff on twitter. By your logic it should be ok to label people of certain ethnic groups more likely to be criminals of one kind or another based on a minority who get caught
    Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
    Because my original post featured minorities as a sarcastic mocking of your lazy kipper stereotype, and they are often unfairly stereotyped in a negative way by people you probably think are UKIPpers.. as you just proved

    If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
    Let's see how long it takes for a poster to conform to the kipper stereotype. I'm guessing that a Muslim post won't be long in coming. Hope I'm wrong, but I probably won't be.
    That's at least a more subtle way of trying to prevent problems being mentioned.

  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    UKIP MEP Janice Atkinson uses 'outrageous' term for Thai woman

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-28840210

    You can always rely on them, I almost feel sorry for isam and his indefatigable defence.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    edited August 2014
    saddened said:



    Give it two days for the likely candidate to come off best behaviour trying to prove a point by restraining himself, then several posts by Wednesday.

    I find it really remarkable how some posters here are so happy to lump groups of people together by a lazy stereotype but would feel outraged if such behaviour were done in relation to race or religion or ethnic origin.

    From time to time, I'll try and wind-up Morris dancer or TSE by talk of cloth caps, whippets, clog dancing and tripe but only ever in such circumstances where there is no danger of me being taken seriously. However, the stereotypes that get thrown around on here about voters for political parties would be illegal if applied in other contexts. Which indicates to me that actually rather too many haven't really grasped the idea that treating people as lumps rather than individuals is not actually a good idea, and that takes us right back to the murder of Steven Lawrence.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Saddened, worth mentioning Harriet Harman referred to a 'ginger rodent', perhaps.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited August 2014
    saddened said:

    UKIP MEP Janice Atkinson uses 'outrageous' term for Thai woman

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-28840210

    You can always rely on them, I almost feel sorry for isam and his indefatigable defence.
    Haha yeah.. could've done without that!

    Still, If I see a black mugger on London Tonight it wont make me think bad of black people as a whole
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    George should go for the quick win, removing the VAT on Wherthers old originals would be immediately apparent to the kipper demographic. If money permits he could have a look at green fees as well.

    Deport non whites for the hat trick?
    The problem you have when you say things like that is that it takes no great stretch of imagination to believe it would be popular with great numbers of kippers. When people obsess over Muslims, to the extent they need to publish offences committed by Muslims yet fail to do so with non Muslims on sites like this makes it easy.
    Who did that?!

    When youare using lazy stereotypes to describe a group of people, it makes it hard to take notice when you criticize others for doing so
    MikeK on numerous occasions. As for stereotypes that's the point, when people act in a stereotypical way, they get stereotyped. So if less kipper councillors took to Twitter and embarrassing themselves and their party that might be a step in the right direction.
    Any reason your first thought was to introduce minorities into your argument?
    Because my original post featured minorities as a sarcastic mocking of your lazy kipper stereotype, and they are often unfairly stereotyped in a negative way by people you probably think are UKIPpers.. as you just proved

    If stereotyping is wrong, its wrong. You cant pick and choose to favour your own dogma.
    Let's see how long it takes for a poster to conform to the kipper stereotype. I'm guessing that a Muslim post won't be long in coming. Hope I'm wrong, but I probably won't be.
    You don't get it do you?

    That's the equivalent of a racist saying that next time a mugging in South London turns out to be by a black man, its conformation to a black stereotype

    As I said you cant use that logic for your own prejudices without giving up the right to criticise others who do so for theirs
    Who would you prefer to move next door to you? You can have a rest if you feel tired before answering.
    See?! You are judging me without any reason to do so!

    No it was a dig at the people's champion, Nigel, the leader of the MEP, who calls Thai people ting tong.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Interesting that this article mentions Eyjaf, in 2010, but not Grimsvotn, in 2011.

    Since the airline industry had agreed a safety threshold for ash concentration above zero after Eyjaf, the disruption in 2011 was much less than in 2010, so any eruption in the near-future would have to be a lot larger than the 2010 eruption to cause a similar level of disruption.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Going to stop this conversation now, as it's veering toward trolling on my part.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Why is this thread obsessed with UKIP? Labour supporters are only 3 points higher than the purples on the chart at 11%. Not a big difference.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    saddened said:



    Give it two days for the likely candidate to come off best behaviour trying to prove a point by restraining himself, then several posts by Wednesday.

    I find it really remarkable how some posters here are so happy to lump groups of people together by a lazy stereotype but would feel outraged if such behaviour were done in relation to race or religion or ethnic origin.

    From time to time, I'll try and wind-up Morris dancer or TSE by talk of cloth caps, whippets, clog dancing and tripe but only ever in such circumstances where there is no danger of me being taken seriously. However, the stereotypes that get thrown around on here about voters for political parties would be illegal if applied in other contexts. Which indicates to me that actually rather too many haven't really grasped the idea that treating people as lumps rather than individuals is not actually a good idea, and that takes us right back to the murder of Steven Lawrence.
    You realize that this was started from an off the cuff comment about whether originals and green fees don't you? I thought I was on pretty safe tounge in cheek territory. Apparently not.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T:

    Apparently looters attacked an Ebola isloation unit in Liberia, after which 17 patients went missing.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    AndyJS said:

    Why is this thread obsessed with UKIP? Labour supporters are only 3 points higher than the purples on the chart at 11%. Not a big difference.

    We are slaves to our cognitive biases.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    AndyJS said:

    Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.

    So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?

    How does that work?
    All this leaves aside that Labour is pro immigration and multi culturalism and rabidly pro the EU. Someone needs to explain how any of this works.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    Apparently looters attacked an Ebola isloation unit in Liberia, after which 17 patients went missing.

    I would shake a Liberians hand as he got off a plane today just as easy as I would a person from any other country!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    isam said:

    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    Apparently looters attacked an Ebola isloation unit in Liberia, after which 17 patients went missing.

    I would shake a Liberians hand as he got off a plane today just as easy as I would a person from any other country!
    That's fair enough, given that Ebola isn't contagious by simply shaking someones hand!
  • MrJones said:



    These older working class type UKIP voters that get talked about don't give a flying **** about the present. They care about their kid's and grandkid's future (or lack of it currently).

    And how does undermining their kids/grandkids opportunities to live and travel and work across a market 5 times greater than the UK's help that.
    Anecdata: there's a guy in my town who is a street cleaner for the council - his daughter lives in Spain teaching English.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited August 2014
    This is why the assumption that Kippers are all going to suddenly flock to the Tories has never made any sense. They just don't agree with the Tories on the economy at all. They don't care about whether the deficit is cut or not, all the polls show they're more against austerity than average, and because they're (typically) so poor they don't have any time for the fear of Labour tax rises campaign that the Tories will be running. So for what reason would a typical UKIP voter move to the Tories when they don't agree with Tory economic policies, and when on social issues UKIP offer them more "full-fat" rightwing stances?

    The political world has completely misunderstood UKIP voters from the beginning, based solely on the fact that many of them voted Tory in 2010 (failing to take account of the fact that the Tories that time pulled in many floating voters who did not consider themselves to be instinctive Tory "identifiers").
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    UKIP MEP Janice Atkinson uses 'outrageous' term for Thai woman

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-28840210

    The offence really should be taken by the husband.. it means mail order bride doesn't it? Not "mad"?
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    AndyJS said:

    Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.

    So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?

    How does that work?
    All this leaves aside that Labour is pro immigration and multi culturalism and rabidly pro the EU. Someone needs to explain how any of this works.
    It works this way:

    Labour is pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    Tories are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    L/Dems are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    The Lab/Lib/Con party is all the same and there is no difference between the parties except nuance.

    Vote UKIP and get UKIP: and Flightpath you keep on crashing
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    isam said:

    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    Apparently looters attacked an Ebola isloation unit in Liberia, after which 17 patients went missing.

    I would shake a Liberians hand as he got off a plane today just as easy as I would a person from any other country!
    You area brave man, isam, if a trifle foolish in this case
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    MikeK said:

    AndyJS said:

    Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.

    So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?

    How does that work?
    All this leaves aside that Labour is pro immigration and multi culturalism and rabidly pro the EU. Someone needs to explain how any of this works.
    It works this way:

    Labour is pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    Tories are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    L/Dems are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    The Lab/Lib/Con party is all the same and there is no difference between the parties except nuance.

    Vote UKIP and get UKIP: and Flightpath you keep on crashing
    BINGO!
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    MikeK said:

    AndyJS said:

    Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.

    So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?

    How does that work?
    All this leaves aside that Labour is pro immigration and multi culturalism and rabidly pro the EU. Someone needs to explain how any of this works.
    It works this way:

    Labour is pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    Tories are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    L/Dems are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    The Lab/Lib/Con party is all the same and there is no difference between the parties except nuance.

    Vote UKIP and get UKIP: and Flightpath you keep on crashing
    Vote UKIP in CON-LAB battlegrounds and you are likely to get Labour.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    RobD said:

    isam said:

    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    Apparently looters attacked an Ebola isloation unit in Liberia, after which 17 patients went missing.

    I would shake a Liberians hand as he got off a plane today just as easy as I would a person from any other country!
    That's fair enough, given that Ebola isn't contagious by simply shaking someones hand!
    Ha well quite!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    saddened said:

    MikeK said:

    AndyJS said:

    Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.

    So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?

    How does that work?
    All this leaves aside that Labour is pro immigration and multi culturalism and rabidly pro the EU. Someone needs to explain how any of this works.
    It works this way:

    Labour is pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    Tories are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    L/Dems are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    The Lab/Lib/Con party is all the same and there is no difference between the parties except nuance.

    Vote UKIP and get UKIP: and Flightpath you keep on crashing
    BINGO!
    Not really
  • AndyJS said:

    Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.

    So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?

    I wrote earlier in the day:

    Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?

    You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    MikeK said:

    AndyJS said:

    Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.

    So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?

    How does that work?
    All this leaves aside that Labour is pro immigration and multi culturalism and rabidly pro the EU. Someone needs to explain how any of this works.
    It works this way:

    Labour is pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    Tories are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    L/Dems are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    The Lab/Lib/Con party is all the same and there is no difference between the parties except nuance.

    Vote UKIP and get UKIP: and Flightpath you keep on crashing
    Vote UKIP in CON-LAB battlegrounds and you are likely to get Labour.

    But are many UKIP voters going to care about that? Didn't you post a poll a few weeks ago which showed almost half of UKIP voters thought Labour was the lesser of two evils compared to the Tories anyway?
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    isam said:

    UKIP MEP Janice Atkinson uses 'outrageous' term for Thai woman

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-28840210

    The offence really should be taken by the husband.. it means mail order bride doesn't it? Not "mad"?
    Janice Atkinson was being boorish and offensive and needs to think a bit before she speaks. I had hoped that the party was over this sort of thing.
  • MikeK said:

    AndyJS said:

    Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.

    So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?

    How does that work?
    All this leaves aside that Labour is pro immigration and multi culturalism and rabidly pro the EU. Someone needs to explain how any of this works.
    It works this way:

    Labour is pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    Tories are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    L/Dems are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    The Lab/Lib/Con party is all the same and there is no difference between the parties except nuance.

    Vote UKIP and get UKIP: and Flightpath you keep on crashing
    Vote UKIP in CON-LAB battlegrounds and you are likely to get Labour.

    I also wrote earlier:

    Since Blair and Cameron arrived on the political stage, there is really very little difference between modern Labour and Tory parties.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    MikeK said:

    isam said:

    UKIP MEP Janice Atkinson uses 'outrageous' term for Thai woman

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-28840210

    The offence really should be taken by the husband.. it means mail order bride doesn't it? Not "mad"?
    Janice Atkinson was being boorish and offensive and needs to think a bit before she speaks. I had hoped that the party was over this sort of thing.
    Yeah, not good.

    When the women is told what "ting tong" means I reckon she will be more upset than she is now.

    Atkinson should prob be booted out.. any relation of Ron you reckon?
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    MikeK said:

    AndyJS said:

    Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.

    So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?

    How does that work?
    All this leaves aside that Labour is pro immigration and multi culturalism and rabidly pro the EU. Someone needs to explain how any of this works.
    It works this way:

    Labour is pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    Tories are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    L/Dems are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    The Lab/Lib/Con party is all the same and there is no difference between the parties except nuance.

    Vote UKIP and get UKIP: and Flightpath you keep on crashing
    Vote UKIP in CON-LAB battlegrounds and you are likely to get Labour.

    I also wrote earlier:

    Since Blair and Cameron arrived on the political stage, there is really very little difference between modern Labour and Tory parties.
    That is a plain silly comment.
  • MikeK said:

    AndyJS said:

    Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.

    So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?

    How does that work?
    All this leaves aside that Labour is pro immigration and multi culturalism and rabidly pro the EU. Someone needs to explain how any of this works.
    It works this way:

    Labour is pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    Tories are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    L/Dems are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    The Lab/Lib/Con party is all the same and there is no difference between the parties except nuance.

    Vote UKIP and get UKIP: and Flightpath you keep on crashing
    Vote UKIP in CON-LAB battlegrounds and you are likely to get Labour.

    I also wrote earlier:

    Since Blair and Cameron arrived on the political stage, there is really very little difference between modern Labour and Tory parties.
    That is a plain silly comment.
    Search your feelings, Flightpath. You will know it to be true.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,815

    MikeK said:

    AndyJS said:

    Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.

    So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?

    How does that work?
    All this leaves aside that Labour is pro immigration and multi culturalism and rabidly pro the EU. Someone needs to explain how any of this works.
    It works this way:

    Labour is pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    Tories are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    L/Dems are pro immigration, supports the EU, loves multiculturalism and does untold damage to the country.

    The Lab/Lib/Con party is all the same and there is no difference between the parties except nuance.

    Vote UKIP and get UKIP: and Flightpath you keep on crashing
    Vote UKIP in CON-LAB battlegrounds and you are likely to get Labour.

    That's his point though, it doesn't matter. I used to be a dyed in the wool Tory boy, now I only marginally rate them above Labour. For one thing, the only way to wrest control of the Tory party away from the current junta is for them to lose.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Yes! One of those lefty shows that managed to be outrageously racist by pretending it was "irony"

    Funny how that was only a decade ago yet it managed to play on every stereotype and ism yet be fawned over by all the right on mob
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,815
    Danny565 said:

    This is why the assumption that Kippers are all going to suddenly flock to the Tories has never made any sense. They just don't agree with the Tories on the economy at all. They don't care about whether the deficit is cut or not, all the polls show they're more against austerity than average, and because they're (typically) so poor they don't have any time for the fear of Labour tax rises campaign that the Tories will be running. So for what reason would a typical UKIP voter move to the Tories when they don't agree with Tory economic policies, and when on social issues UKIP offer them more "full-fat" rightwing stances?

    The political world has completely misunderstood UKIP voters from the beginning, based solely on the fact that many of them voted Tory in 2010 (failing to take account of the fact that the Tories that time pulled in many floating voters who did not consider themselves to be instinctive Tory "identifiers").

    I disagree with this -I think the majority of Kippers still want the deficit (and indeed the national debt) cut, and are really worried about the state of the nation's finances. That's why they don't support the Tories -the Tories have failed to eat into the deficit, and the debt is increasing at a catastrophic rate.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    AndyJS said:

    Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.

    So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?

    I wrote earlier in the day:

    Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?

    You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
    We can all asee the dog whistles that UKIP give. But really... on evey fundamental pillar that UKIP stand for they will see the country royally shafted by labour - so they vote to put labour in?

    It is a fantasy perpetuated in the mad minds of frenzied Kippers that Labour and Tories are the same. They are clearly not. Voting to put in :Labour is a total nihilistic act by anybody who votes UKIP. No doubt the most frenzied in UKIP are nihilists (amongst other things) but I would rather not be dragged down with them.
    My own suspicion is that UKIP give the meanest most extreme minded people in the country a bit of a thrill and not much else matters.
    Certainly what UKIP peddle about the EU (something it used to be interested in) is founded on a big lie.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,118
    edited August 2014

    AndyJS said:

    Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.

    So if Labour had a sensible leader Kippers would vote to stop him. But because Labour have a left wing leader with a marxist background and would do untold damage to the country - Kippers will vote to put him in power?

    I wrote earlier in the day:

    Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?

    You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
    We can all asee the dog whistles that UKIP give. But really... on evey fundamental pillar that UKIP stand for they will see the country royally shafted by labour - so they vote to put labour in?

    I say unto you once more: Since Blair and Cameron arrived on the political stage, there is really very little difference between modern Labour and Tory parties.
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