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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited August 2014
    Hugh said:

    SeanT said:
    And to think some Tories used to talk about that terminally thick Murdoch lickspittle as a new Thatcher.
    And someone called tim used to do all the slagging off. Funny that.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Hugh said:

    But one minute the Cameroons are squealing Red Ed at righties and the next they're telling lefties that the markets won't let Ed do anything. Both can't be right.


    with unique combination of total inexperience about business and a very high level of intellectual self-confidence, he will make some stupid populist gestures

    you've just descibed Cameron 2010 as does your summary.
    Okay, I'll bite. So the 2010 UKIP manifesto did not include stupid populist gestures? Like trying to depict the liveries trains should have?

    And what was flying in an aircraft an election day other than en exceptionally stupid gesture (although as Farage came third, I'll grant you that it was hardly 'populist').

    If Labour and Conservatives are cheeks of the same arse, then UKIP are the hole in between. Although I must admit to finding it hard to work out what the Lib Dems or Greens are in this analogy. ;-)
    I wouldn't know JJ I'm not a kipper. Quite why anyone on the right criticising Cameron is automatically labelled a kipper is beyond me.

    As I've said repreatedly on here Cameron just can't manage a broad coalition and since he's offering next to bugger all for me and my family I have no intention of voting for him. Is that difficult for you to understand ?
    "he's offering next to bugger all for me and my family"

    Having a stable economy with the debt being managed is a benefit to your family; a few give-away short-term gimmicks are not.

    the debt isn't being managed it's going up.
    the underlying fundamentals of the economy haven't been addressed so we're anything but stable.
    Correct. Cameron and Osborne have borrowed more in 4 years than Brown and Blair did in 13.
    Remarkable, tim used to say that ad nauseam. Its a truth that conceals a huge lie, Labour they were responsible for the biggest UK economic feck up in history.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,221



    I bet it does not occur to many parents. In my day it was just the TV, with computers coming in when I was eleven. Nowadays kids have tablets at three, mobiles at six, computers at nine, as well as TVs in their room. These devices are all utterly commoditised.

    Warning parents about this makes sense to me, especially as it is easy for children to hide time spent on devices, and especially on what they are viewing.

    If children have mobile devices so early that is the parents choice, it is not as if the nipper his using his credit card to but himself an IPad and an internet account.

    I have to say I take a more relaxed view than most about children and the Internet and I followed my ideas as my son was growing up. He was born in 1993 into a household that was an early adopter of the Internet and computing. He could, sitting on my knee, type his name before he could hold a pen. He was on the Internet ferreting out information for himself about things he was interested in from about the age of 8. We never put in any bars or barriers, save some heavy duty anti-virus stuff, he was connected to our network after all. We did, usually over the dinner table, have free and frank discussions about internet issues such as pornography and I am sure he rushed off to his computer to check out what we had been discussing. At 21 he seems perfectly well balanced, he can read and write, is sober and well behaved. Mind you, he was also brought up in a Christian household and as a regular churchgoer, so there was always a moral framework in which the ideas he found on the internet could be placed.

    Where Cameron gets off on his limiting screen time I don't know.
    All kids are different, as are parents. You were obviously a good parent (as are, I suspect, is everyone on here - it's the nature of the beast), but you should not judge other parents by your own high standards, or kids by your own. Giving warnings, reminders and advice to other parents might not be a bad idea.

    Last week I posted a screed about how the Internet makes learning - and the opportunities for children - much better than in my day. But there are also problems with that, and one of these is another thing I love: getting out and about in the countryside. True, most kids won't want to put a rucksack on their backs and walk stupid distances, but there will be something else: football or other sports, even walking the dog.

    In recent years I've seen kids out and about in the countryside on walks with their parents, staring intently at their phone screens, where I was once taken blackberrying. That's a problem.

    I'm also slightly intrigued by the idea that being brought up in a Christian household of regular churchgoers automatically instils a moral framework. My experience is quite contrary.
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @ZenPagan

    'Please sir could you kindly tell me when I am allowed to complain? '

    Just send your thank you note to New Labour for flooding the UK with millions of immigrants that guaranteed that wages for a large proportion of the population would be held at 2003 levels.
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