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One of the great things about taking part in Edinburgh Festival of Politics was being able to meet up again with Professor John Curtice, who must be the county’s leading political scientist.
Hard to do, given economic reality lends itself to pessimism.
Growth is strong but the deficit is too large, the debt's enormous, and the EU appears to be on the verge of another eurozone crisis.
There's a serious risk with an attempt at a giveaway. Could cut the legs from under the Conservatives' economic standing and make floating voters think it's 'safe' to vote for taxey taxey, spendey spendey Labour again.
second. And UKIP don't believe anything that George says or might say. So no help to the Tories or any of the Lab/Lib/Con parties and I include the Greens in that too.
Actually, I haven't, but from reading Ford & Goodwin's blogs it is blatantly obvious why UKIP voters don't think things will get better for them. It's because things have been getting worse for them for decades, and when they point out why they get called racist bigots by rich people who carry on with the same policies!
George Osborne's masterful strategy will yield a vote winning budget in 2015.
Let's not forget, it was his policies that stopped the election that never was in 2007, and helped the Tory revival this year post the budget.
It was a Frit Gordon that stopped the election. Georgie Porgie got undeserved kudos for a policy he never fully carried out when in power.
There's so much wrong with that post, I don't know where to start.
But I'll try
George Osborne's 2007 announcement that only millionaires would pay inheritance tax under a Conservative government was credited with heading off the threat of the then prime minister Gordon Brown calling a snap election.
Have you forgotten the polling from the time, mahoosive Tory swings.
The reason he hasn't been able to deliver on it, is the economy went mammary glands up, and he had to prioritise elsewhere
I think UKIP voters are generally older - years of very low interest rates has affected their savings - this is not going to improve quickly. However, I'm completely unclear why they believe any UKIP policy would make their situation any better.
George Osborne's masterful strategy will yield a vote winning budget in 2015.
Let's not forget, it was his policies that stopped the election that never was in 2007, and helped the Tory revival this year post the budget.
It was a Frit Gordon that stopped the election. Georgie Porgie got undeserved kudos for a policy he never fully carried out when in power.
There's so much wrong with that post, I don't know where to start.
But I'll try
George Osborne's 2007 announcement that only millionaires would pay inheritance tax under a Conservative government was credited with heading off the threat of the then prime minister Gordon Brown calling a snap election.
Have you forgotten the polling from the time, mahoosive Tory swings.
The reason he hasn't been able to deliver on it, is the economy went mammary glands up, and he had to prioritise elsewhere
I'll repeat. Frit Gordon Brown squashed winnable election because he was scared of a chimera. The Tory swing was not enough at that point to stop Labour winning.
Actually, I haven't, but from reading Ford & Goodwin's blogs it is blatantly obvious why UKIP voters don't think things will get better for them. It's because things have been getting worse for them for decades, and when they point out why they get called racist bigots by rich people who carry on with the same policies!
Good book. Well worth a read, though far from agreeing with much of it.
Actually, I haven't, but from reading Ford & Goodwin's blogs it is blatantly obvious why UKIP voters don't think things will get better for them. It's because things have been getting worse for them for decades, and when they point out why they get called racist bigots by rich people who carry on with the same policies!
George Osborne's masterful strategy will yield a vote winning budget in 2015.
Let's not forget, it was his policies that stopped the election that never was in 2007, and helped the Tory revival this year post the budget.
It was a Frit Gordon that stopped the election. Georgie Porgie got undeserved kudos for a policy he never fully carried out when in power.
There's so much wrong with that post, I don't know where to start.
But I'll try
George Osborne's 2007 announcement that only millionaires would pay inheritance tax under a Conservative government was credited with heading off the threat of the then prime minister Gordon Brown calling a snap election.
Have you forgotten the polling from the time, mahoosive Tory swings.
The reason he hasn't been able to deliver on it, is the economy went mammary glands up, and he had to prioritise elsewhere
I'll repeat. Frit Gordon Brown squashed winnable election because he was scared of a chimera. The Tory swing was not enough at that point to stop Labour winning.
Your memory appears to be faulty. Straight after the Tory conference
F1: forgot about this until just now. Working on, er, work at the moment, but when I finish the little bit I'm on I'll see about putting up an Early Thoughts mini-piece for Spa (as sort of suggested by Mr. Putney).
Actually, I haven't, but from reading Ford & Goodwin's blogs it is blatantly obvious why UKIP voters don't think things will get better for them. It's because things have been getting worse for them for decades, and when they point out why they get called racist bigots by rich people who carry on with the same policies!
Although the title, referring to "the right", is probably a bit misleading. I don't think it's a left/right thing most of the time.
Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.
If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.
"CEOs earning 143 times more than company averages, pay study shows Pay gap widest at mining company Rangold Resources, where Mark Bristow was paid £4.4m last year – nearly 1,500 times the average"
Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?
Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Given their demographic profile - isn't a degree if economic pessimism in order? And I'm not sure there is much George can do about that - they expected (some of them, by birthright) to be in the top half of the heap - now they are well into the bottom half with no likely way out. Though a Miliband premiership is unlikely to improve their lot.....
I wonder which is cause and which is effect. For example, does the notably much higher level of optimism of Conservative supporters mean that people who think things are going well for them (and the country) reward the Conservatives by giving the party their support, or does it mean that the Conservative-led government's policies favour Conservative supporters?
Obviously Labour will try to argue the latter, but Labour making that argument doesn't make it true.
Conversely, the Conservatives will try to argue that their 'long-term economic plan is working', and hope to pull some of those not currently giving them credit for it into the fold.
[Edit: Alternatively it might simply be that Labour and UKIP supporters say they are pessimistic because they don't want to give credit to the government for the improving economy].
It would be interesting also to have the Labour grumpiness broken down into those working in the public sector, those working in the private sector, and those not in employment. Different policies, and different rhetoric, could potentially appeal to each of these groups.
Maybe a lot of UKIP voters don't believe that Ed Miliband is going to win the election whatever happens, which gives them more freedom to support the party. If Labour had a more impressive leader more of them would consider voting Tory to stop it happening.
Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.
If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.
Those are minor flaws.
Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.
If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.
Those are minor flaws.
Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?
Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.
If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.
Those are minor flaws.
Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
I wonder which is cause and which is effect. For example, does the notably much higher level of optimism of Conservative supporters mean that people who think things are going well for them (and the country) reward the Conservatives by giving the party their support, or does it mean that the Conservative-led government's policies favour Conservative supporters?
Obviously Labour will try to argue the latter, but Labour making that argument doesn't make it true.
Conversely, the Conservatives will try to argue that their 'long-term economic plan is working', and hope to pull some of those not currently giving them credit for it into the fold.
[Edit: Alternatively it might simply be that Labour and UKIP supporters say they are pessimistic because they don't want to give credit to the government for the improving economy].
It would be interesting also to have the Labour grumpiness broken down into those working in the public sector, those working in the private sector, and those not in employment. Different policies, and different rhetoric, could potentially appeal to each of these groups.
Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?
Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Put me down as a maybe
We also increased the NHS budget, when Labour wanted to cut it.
Honestly, keep on meeting me more often, and I'll have you voting Tory next year, I'm very persuasive.
PS - Did I read that you were having an op soon? If so best of luck!
Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?
Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.
The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?
Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.
The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.
If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.
Those are minor flaws.
Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
Kippers are probably non-green drivers and might like it if the Chancellor reduced fuel duty.
Coupled with oil price falls, that might help the tories significantly.
I thought of fuel duty, but Osborne has foregone a lot of revenue for the Treasury by cutting fuel duty and cancelling planned increases, without much sign of blunting the UKIP surge, so I don't think he could afford to do enough to be noticed.
That's why my thoughts turned to alcohol duties, and supporting that struggling British Institution, the pub.
Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?
Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.
The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
Since Blair and Cameron arrived on the political stage, there is really very little difference between modern Labour and Tory parties.
Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.
If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.
Those are minor flaws.
Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
And Libya's a bed of roses now, isn't it?
Give it time.
Three years and counting...
Nation building takes time, look how long it took India to become a success after Independence.
Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?
Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.
The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
I thought gay marriage was the thing that REALLY p****d off the Kippers.
Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?
Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.
The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
I thought gay marriage was the thing that REALLY p****d off the Kippers.
Farage has said UKIP policy is not to repeal gay marriage.
Kippers are probably non-green drivers and might like it if the Chancellor reduced fuel duty.
Coupled with oil price falls, that might help the tories significantly.
I thought of fuel duty, but Osborne has foregone a lot of revenue for the Treasury by cutting fuel duty and cancelling planned increases, without much sign of blunting the UKIP surge, so I don't think he could afford to do enough to be noticed.
That's why my thoughts turned to alcohol duties, and supporting that struggling British Institution, the pub.
I said at the time, you don't get credit for cancelling future tax rises.
Say if your fuel costs per week are maybe £100 per week, and they still remain £100 per week because of the cancelled increases, you're not going to feel any better off.
Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?
Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.
The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?
Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Put me down as a maybe
We also increased the NHS budget, when Labour wanted to cut it.
Honestly, keep on meeting me more often, and I'll have you voting Tory next year, I'm very persuasive.
PS - Did I read that you were having an op soon? If so best of luck!
Thanks Its on Thursday. I will be back on PB end of next week hopefully
When do you reckon the Manchester PB meet will be?
Once proudly socialist and nonaligned, India is being remade as a roaring capitalist success story and emerging strategic partner of the United States. Economic reforms have raised per capita GDP and lowered poverty rates, while New Delhi's growing self-confidence may help it become the swing state in the global balance of power.
Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.
If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.
Those are minor flaws.
Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
And Libya's a bed of roses now, isn't it?
Give it time.
Three years and counting...
Nation building takes time, look how long it took India to become a success after Independence.
How about Pakistan and Bangladesh, out of interest?
Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?
Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.
The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
Since Blair and Cameron arrived on the political stage, there is really very little difference between modern Labour and Tory parties.
Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?
Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Put me down as a maybe
We also increased the NHS budget, when Labour wanted to cut it.
Honestly, keep on meeting me more often, and I'll have you voting Tory next year, I'm very persuasive.
PS - Did I read that you were having an op soon? If so best of luck!
Thanks Its on Thursday. I will be back on PB end of next week hopefully
When do you reckon the Manchester PB meet will be?
Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.
If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.
Those are minor flaws.
Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
And Libya's a bed of roses now, isn't it?
Give it time.
Three years and counting...
Nation building takes time, look how long it took India to become a success after Independence.
How about Pakistan and Bangladesh, out of interest?
Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?
Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.
The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
I thought gay marriage was the thing that REALLY p****d off the Kippers.
Yeah that'll get Kippers back
We did something that made you vote UKIP, made London house prices soar and implemented a Lib Dem policy we used to disagree with
Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.
If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.
Those are minor flaws.
Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
And Libya's a bed of roses now, isn't it?
Give it time.
Three years and counting...
Nation building takes time, look how long it took India to become a success after Independence.
How about Pakistan and Bangladesh, out of interest?
Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.
If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.
Those are minor flaws.
Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
And Libya's a bed of roses now, isn't it?
Give it time.
Three years and counting...
Nation building takes time, look how long it took India to become a success after Independence.
How about Pakistan and Bangladesh, out of interest?
Once they re-unite, within in weeks.
You are dreaming!
I wouldn't know-
As, I keep telling you all - the OU did not teach me high Politics-
Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.
If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.
Those are minor flaws.
Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
And Libya's a bed of roses now, isn't it?
Give it time.
Three years and counting...
Nation building takes time, look how long it took India to become a success after Independence.
How about Pakistan and Bangladesh, out of interest?
Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?
Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.
The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
Since Blair and Cameron arrived on the political stage, there is really very little difference between modern Labour and Tory parties.
Ah someone gets it!
Blair/Cameron act(ed) that way to go for the centre ground. Whether you agree with that or not, it is only the way to win a majority.
UKIP (unless they change) will always be a protest party, and whilst that will have appeal to some, they will never form a government from where they stand, and have no hope of implementing their agenda.
Kippers are probably non-green drivers and might like it if the Chancellor reduced fuel duty.
Coupled with oil price falls, that might help the tories significantly.
I thought of fuel duty, but Osborne has foregone a lot of revenue for the Treasury by cutting fuel duty and cancelling planned increases, without much sign of blunting the UKIP surge, so I don't think he could afford to do enough to be noticed.
That's why my thoughts turned to alcohol duties, and supporting that struggling British Institution, the pub.
For example, the government forecasts for 2012-13 were that fuel duties would raise £27.3bn for the Exchequer and Alcohol duties £10.6bn.
It's also worth noting that - since 1998 - tax as a percentage of retail price has increased for Beer, Wine and Spirits, but decreased for fuel.
Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.
If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.
Those are minor flaws.
Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
And Libya's a bed of roses now, isn't it?
Give it time.
Three years and counting...
Nation building takes time, look how long it took India to become a success after Independence.
How about Pakistan and Bangladesh, out of interest?
Once they re-unite, within in weeks.
You are dreaming!
I wouldn't know-
As, I keep telling you all - the OU did not teach me high Politics-
Bangladesh are top right and the Christians???
Location correct, but Christians only a minority (along with Hindus), the Bangladeshis are ~85% Muslim.
Once proudly socialist and nonaligned, India is being remade as a roaring capitalist success story and emerging strategic partner of the United States. Economic reforms have raised per capita GDP and lowered poverty rates, while New Delhi's growing self-confidence may help it become the swing state in the global balance of power.
Hmm....the direction of travel is once again (probably) improving with the new government....but there's an AWFUL long way to go. I always thought India was basically unreformable, unmodernisable. I hope I'm wrong. It's still a tragically poor and backwards place. The life opportunities of a rural Untouchable are frankly an outrage.
Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.
If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.
Those are minor flaws.
Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
And Libya's a bed of roses now, isn't it?
Give it time.
Three years and counting...
Nation building takes time, look how long it took India to become a success after Independence.
How about Pakistan and Bangladesh, out of interest?
Once they re-unite, within in weeks.
You are dreaming!
I wouldn't know-
As, I keep telling you all - the OU did not teach me high Politics-
Bangladesh are top right and the Christians???
Location correct, but Christians only a minority (along with Hindus), the Bangladeshis are ~85% Muslim.
Thanks Sunil - yet more info for me (I'm not taking the piss either), I was under the impression that the whole principle of Bangladesh was to protect the Christians (probably misread something from channel 4)
Kippers really are a bunch of miserable old gits aren't they?
Only if you think that (a) their financial circumstances are improving (b) they ought to give credit to George Osborne for it.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
I'm sure helping in usher in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will cheer them up and improve their financial circumstances.
Isn't it negative campaigning of the worst kind for supporters of Party A to tell supporters of Party B that to vote B will let Party C in?
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
Vote conservative, we're the party that introduced gay marriage, see the economy become one of the best performers in the world, we increased the personal allowance, making sure low paid people don't pay any tax, lots of great employment stats.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Mr Eagles is Sweating !!!! A thing I never thought to see. A paragraph of pure Tory propaganda is espoused.
The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
Since Blair and Cameron arrived on the political stage, there is really very little difference between modern Labour and Tory parties.
Ah someone gets it!
Blair/Cameron act(ed) that way to go for the centre ground. Whether you agree with that or not, it is only the way to win a majority.
UKIP (unless they change) will always be a protest party, and whilst that will have appeal to some, they will never form a government from where they stand, and have no hope of implementing their agenda.
Ah Cameron and Blair.. two geniuses that changed the country so politics could only be done their way... forever!
Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.
If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.
Those are minor flaws.
Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
And Libya's a bed of roses now, isn't it?
Give it time.
Three years and counting...
Nation building takes time, look how long it took India to become a success after Independence.
How about Pakistan and Bangladesh, out of interest?
Once they re-unite, within in weeks.
You are dreaming!
I wouldn't know-
As, I keep telling you all - the OU did not teach me high Politics-
Bangladesh are top right and the Christians???
Location correct, but Christians only a minority (along with Hindus), the Bangladeshis are ~85% Muslim.
Thanks Sunil - yet more info for me (I'm not taking the piss either), I was under the impression that the whole principle of Bangladesh was to protect the Christians (probably misread something from channel 4)
Nah, it split from Pakistan in late 1971 (after Indian intervention). Throughout 1971 there was a bloody civil war between the Pakistan military and the Bangladeshi separatists
Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.
If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.
Those are minor flaws.
Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
And Libya's a bed of roses now, isn't it?
Give it time.
Three years and counting...
Nation building takes time, look how long it took India to become a success after Independence.
How about Pakistan and Bangladesh, out of interest?
Once they re-unite, within in weeks.
You are dreaming!
I wouldn't know-
As, I keep telling you all - the OU did not teach me high Politics-
Bangladesh are top right and the Christians???
Location correct, but Christians only a minority (along with Hindus), the Bangladeshis are ~85% Muslim.
Thanks Sunil - yet more info for me (I'm not taking the piss either), I was under the impression that the whole principle of Bangladesh was to protect the Christians (probably misread something from channel 4)
Nah, it split from Pakistan in late 1971 (after Indian intervention). Throughout 1971 there was a bloody civil war between the Pakistan military and the Bangladeshi separatists
Once proudly socialist and nonaligned, India is being remade as a roaring capitalist success story and emerging strategic partner of the United States. Economic reforms have raised per capita GDP and lowered poverty rates, while New Delhi's growing self-confidence may help it become the swing state in the global balance of power.
Hmm....the direction of travel is once again (probably) improving with the new government....but there's an AWFUL long way to go. I always thought India was basically unreformable, unmodernisable. I hope I'm wrong. It's still a tragically poor and backwards place. The life opportunities of a rural Untouchable are frankly an outrage.
If they carry on adhering to the Caste system (especially through marriage), believing in Astrology (it's considered a science at University level - strange but true!), and playing frakking Cricket, they will always lag behind!
Mr. Eagles, short of a Yes and a currency union, I'm nailed on to vote Conservative at the General Election, in a bid to thwart Balls being an MP, let alone Chancellor.
If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.
Those are minor flaws.
Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
And Libya's a bed of roses now, isn't it?
Give it time.
Three years and counting...
Nation building takes time, look how long it took India to become a success after Independence.
How about Pakistan and Bangladesh, out of interest?
Once they re-unite, within in weeks.
You are dreaming!
I wouldn't know-
As, I keep telling you all - the OU did not teach me high Politics-
Bangladesh are top right and the Christians???
Location correct, but Christians only a minority (along with Hindus), the Bangladeshis are ~85% Muslim.
Thanks Sunil - yet more info for me (I'm not taking the piss either), I was under the impression that the whole principle of Bangladesh was to protect the Christians (probably misread something from channel 4)
Nah, it split from Pakistan in late 1971 (after Indian intervention). Throughout 1971 there was a bloody civil war between the Pakistan military and the Bangladeshi separatists
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Growth is strong but the deficit is too large, the debt's enormous, and the EU appears to be on the verge of another eurozone crisis.
There's a serious risk with an attempt at a giveaway. Could cut the legs from under the Conservatives' economic standing and make floating voters think it's 'safe' to vote for taxey taxey, spendey spendey Labour again.
Hello everyone,
I'm not sure how friendly some of the tory journos are being to me-
However, I read today in The Times (not paywall, sorry no link) an article in the T2, P5, about Murakami (Headline - Murakami, The Name To Drop Now).
FYI, I have read lots of Murakami - off the top of my head (in no particular order), these are-
Kafka on the Shore
A Wind up Bird Chronicle
A Wild Sheep Chase
I've read a couple of more, but I can't remember them now, off the top of my head.
That's all for now,
I'll see how Kay Burley treats me.
Let's not forget, it was his policies that stopped the election that never was in 2007, and helped the Tory revival this year post the budget.
And UKIP don't believe anything that George says or might say. So no help to the Tories or any of the Lab/Lib/Con parties and I include the Greens in that too.
Actually, I haven't, but from reading Ford & Goodwin's blogs it is blatantly obvious why UKIP voters don't think things will get better for them. It's because things have been getting worse for them for decades, and when they point out why they get called racist bigots by rich people who carry on with the same policies!
But I'll try
George Osborne's 2007 announcement that only millionaires would pay inheritance tax under a Conservative government was credited with heading off the threat of the then prime minister Gordon Brown calling a snap election.
Have you forgotten the polling from the time, mahoosive Tory swings.
The reason he hasn't been able to deliver on it, is the economy went mammary glands up, and he had to prioritise elsewhere
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/24/cameron-tories-raise-inheritance-threshold
Glass half empty? Finish off your pint - and then join UKIP!
The number waiting to get on the ladder is far, far larger. And one reason why the tories did so badly in London last May.
If rents also fall that would be a bit helpful to the tories too.
Overall, levels of economic optimism depend on where you are in the food chain.
http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2007/10/06/icm-poll-gives-tories-6-lead-in-50-marginals/
I have voted for them (the purples) a couple of times.
You're making it more likely Ed Miliband becomes PM and Ed Balls becomes Chancellor.
You have to give B supporters a positive reason to vote A.
The only single thing that I can think of is the idea of cutting alcohol duty rates for on licence sales, to help pubs compete against supermarkets.
If Cameron had spent more on Defence and was less of a greenist I may have voted blue last time.
Pay gap widest at mining company Rangold Resources, where Mark Bristow was paid £4.4m last year – nearly 1,500 times the average"
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/aug/18/pay-gap-grows-ftse-bosses
The fact that "The Expendables 3" opened with $16.2m is something of a shock: http://onforb.es/VyOtcI
Small attendances, plus expensive superstars, (so called) = Great flop in the making.
Those are some of the many reasons to vote Tory next year.
Coupled with oil price falls, that might help the tories significantly.
I wonder which is cause and which is effect. For example, does the notably much higher level of optimism of Conservative supporters mean that people who think things are going well for them (and the country) reward the Conservatives by giving the party their support, or does it mean that the Conservative-led government's policies favour Conservative supporters?
Obviously Labour will try to argue the latter, but Labour making that argument doesn't make it true.
Conversely, the Conservatives will try to argue that their 'long-term economic plan is working', and hope to pull some of those not currently giving them credit for it into the fold.
[Edit: Alternatively it might simply be that Labour and UKIP supporters say they are pessimistic because they don't want to give credit to the government for the improving economy].
It would be interesting also to have the Labour grumpiness broken down into those working in the public sector, those working in the private sector, and those not in employment. Different policies, and different rhetoric, could potentially appeal to each of these groups.
Dave's used the military efficiently, he's toppled the vile dictator Qadaffi
So the average pay at Rangold Resources is 2,933 quid a year? Sounds like someone at the Grauniad can't do sums to me.
Nadal out of US open with wrist injury:
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/aug/18/rafael-nadal-miss-us-open-injury
I know, one of the papers did a similar trick when comparing the Nike CEO's salary to what one of their employees in Bangladesh does.
Honestly, keep on meeting me more often, and I'll have you voting Tory next year, I'm very persuasive.
PS - Did I read that you were having an op soon? If so best of luck!
The Tories must really be afraid of UKIP as they see that past failures to suppress it has only made it grow faster. I really hope that the Mycelium of the UKIP body, will choke the Tories especially, because they've reneged on all that Conservatives used to stand for.
That's why my thoughts turned to alcohol duties, and supporting that struggling British Institution, the pub.
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/belgium-early-thoughts.html
Do feel free to add your own rambly thoughts.
I know UKIP are in favour of easing the smoking ban in pubs. I guess cutting alcohol duties would be a coherent step.
Exclusive! The Sunil on Sunday's inaugural ELBOW!
Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week (10 polls field-work 10th Aug to 15th Aug):
Labour 36.2%
Cons 33.1%
UKIP 13.1%
LibDems 8.8%
Um, we can't give any net changes as this is our first time, but we promise to do so next week [ie. Sunday]
Now JackW will be able to discern his ARSE from our ELBOW!
Say if your fuel costs per week are maybe £100 per week, and they still remain £100 per week because of the cancelled increases, you're not going to feel any better off.
When do you reckon the Manchester PB meet will be?
I am hoping to be recovered enough to attend.
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/features/collections/the-rise-of-india
Oh my, just looked at the graph.
25% for the LDs - once again the LDs playing their part in team GB-
Honestly, What more do you want from us.
We did something that made you vote UKIP, made London house prices soar and implemented a Lib Dem policy we used to disagree with
Vote Tory!
New general election forecasting model designed by academics from LSE, UEA, Durham:
http://electionforecast.co.uk/
As, I keep telling you all - the OU did not teach me high Politics-
Bangladesh are top right and the Christians???
UKIP (unless they change) will always be a protest party, and whilst that will have appeal to some, they will never form a government from where they stand, and have no hope of implementing their agenda.
It's also worth noting that - since 1998 - tax as a percentage of retail price has increased for Beer, Wine and Spirits, but decreased for fuel.
Black family of dude shot yappying on Sky news now.
; )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Liberation_War