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Those saying Brexit right down to just 38% – politicalbetting.com

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  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,689

    In 10-20 years those in their 30s now will be in their 50s and may look through rose tinted spectacles at the “good old days” in the EU.

    Nothing is certain
    Or the EU may not exist by then, or it could be radically different and have turned into the USE. It's tough to say what will be the case 20 years from now.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805

    Sky reporting the Air Ambulance paramedics are still treating him before taking him to hospital and it highlights how serious this incident is

    They are now live above the scene

    “There’s an air ambulance right below us, trying to take off. Full coverage live on sky!”
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,978

    Wasn't this at a church
    Its still his surgery!!!
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795

    I think you’d have to be mad to want to be an MP. What an awful job.

    Who would want to be anyone in the public eye these days? The public are animals.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347
    MattW said:

    And that's a straw man :smile:

    It's a problem.

    Just the same as people arguing "sanctity of marriage" shouters who turn out to be having multiple affairs.

    The old point that not living up to your own expressed values undermines your case.
    What, so a core value of 'authentic left' is to be poor and monogamous?
  • Hope Sir David Amess is alright.

    Yes, indeed. Hope Amess makes a speedy recovery!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,287
    dixiedean said:

    Seems Texas has found insisting on a "non-political" curriculum isn’t easy.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/14/texas-school-holocaust-books-race-southlake

    Consistency in the application of their proclaimed principles seems to be a Texas Republican problem.
    https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/620367/
    ...Texas state Senator Bryan Hughes said in July that he was aggrieved by educators teaching “the inverse of what Dr. King taught us.” But this same legislator proposed a bill weeks earlier that would have removed King’s “I Have a Dream” speech and “Letter From Birmingham Jail” from the Texas state curriculum...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    DavidL said:

    I wasn't really complaining. I just thought that it was odd that Scone was becoming a part of Angus despite being in deepest Perthshire and Arbroath was becoming a part of Dundee East despite having a lot more in common with the lands to the north of it than Dundee.

    I also said, in fairness, that I did not envy their task.
    Thanks for the amendment!
  • Who would want to be anyone in the public eye these days? The public are animals.
    Bugger, lucky you not being a member of the public, some of us are stuck with it.
  • kinabalu said:

    What, so a core value of 'authentic left' is to be poor and monogamous?
    Nah, then they would be lazy benefit scroungers. Best not to exist really, and if you must, then keep very very quiet.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347
    Leon said:

    It is overrated tho. Really hard to get right, and even when you do, not worth the hype. Like ice skating, or roasting your own coffee beans
    I agree about ice skating. Can't comment on the other - I've never roasted my own beans. Not planning to either tbh.
  • Who would want to be anyone in the public eye these days? The public are animals.
    I think you are just being racist, tarring all members of the public with the same brush like that!
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,170

    Cool your outrage jets, Foxy was asking a question not making a joke.
    Both throttles are permanently at stage 5 AB.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347

    Nothing should be described as "building to a crescendo"

    The crescendo IS the building up.

    It gets used incorrectly more often than not, so it's probably changed in some dictionaries.
    Yes, "leading to" is what I wanted there. I'm posting quickfire today though. That's my defence.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,287
    kinabalu said:

    I agree about ice skating. Can't comment on the other - I've never roasted my own beans. Not planning to either tbh.
    At least you can pay someone else to roast your beans...
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362

    Angela Rayner issues statement hoping for his full recovery

    She’s got to resign after this.

    “Dear scum. Hope the holes my shock troops put in you heal quickly.” It’s clear now she’s a Nazi.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,454
    ping said:

    It’s been 2 hours and he’s still in the church. It’s either very good news or very bad news.
    I would have thought that if it was minor, just needing a few stitches then he would be having a 4 hour wait in ED.

    That he hasn't been transported would suggest major injuries.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,031

    O-to scoring political point 5.7 secs. Not bad.
    I wouldn't expect you to see a difference between point scoring and making.

    If you label an entire political party as scum, you have to take some responsibility when some people see them as detached from upholding the right to express a contrary opinion to their own.

    Angela Rayner's comment corroded democracy. Even more disgraceful when it was a cynical ploy for her personal ambition - to get above Starmer on the news cycle at the start of Conference.

    If a Tory had called Labour "scum" a week before Jo Cox was murdered, do you think there would have been a restrained silence to link the two?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,286
    New thread.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    ping said:

    “There’s an air ambulance right below us, trying to take off. Full coverage live on sky!”
    Our helicopter is doing the best job of getting in the way of the life-saving helicopter, tune in for more coverage from our helicopter….
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    edited October 2021

    I wouldn't expect you to see a difference between point scoring and making.

    If you label an entire political party as scum, you have to take some responsibility when some people see them as detached from upholding the right to express a contrary opinion to their own.

    Angela Rayner's comment corroded democracy. Even more disgraceful when it was a cynical ploy for her personal ambition - to get above Starmer on the news cycle at the start of Conference.

    If a Tory had called Labour "scum" a week before Jo Cox was murdered, do you think there would have been a restrained silence to link the two?
    Exactly. Perfectly put. Jo Cox labelled scum two weeks before dying in her own blood in writhing pain like Sir David. That’s why what Rayner done was so wrong, so dumb, so unparliamentary and not fit for her position. For personal ambition she stoked it up Trump style. And this is the horrific result of her mendacious stupidity.

    Rayner to resign now!!!

    Are you listening Starmer, you weak coward?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,119

    I wouldn't expect you to see a difference between point scoring and making.

    If you label an entire political party as scum, you have to take some responsibility when some people see them as detached from upholding the right to express a contrary opinion to their own.

    Angela Rayner's comment corroded democracy. Even more disgraceful when it was a cynical ploy for her personal ambition - to get above Starmer on the news cycle at the start of Conference.

    If a Tory had called Labour "scum" a week before Jo Cox was murdered, do you think there would have been a restrained silence to link the two?
    People quite rightly made a connection between political violence and the high temperature of the Brexit debate - "Enemies of the People", etc.

    Politicians have a responsibility not to deepen divisions and inflame anger.

    That includes Angela Rayner.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    https://ballotbox.scot/falkirk-south-by-election-2021

    Just checked the Falkirk data.

    In Scottish local gmt multi-member wards it's hard to compare a by election result with the previous couincil election if the the councillor wasn't the first elected on the previous occasion.

    The Labour councillor who left was the third to be elected in 2017. At Ballotbox Scotland Allan Faulds had calculated the result to be expected today using the 2017 data but warned that it was likely the Tories might do a little better on a lower turnout - got it almost exactly right. So not much change there.
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