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Those saying Brexit right down to just 38% – politicalbetting.com
Those saying Brexit right down to just 38% – politicalbetting.com
The same YouGov poll that had the CON lead back in double figures also had what for the government is the second-worst Brexit tracker finding on record. The latest split is in the chart above.
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I don't know quite how many but of the 49% who said "Wrong" I would have thought at least 15% would be voting Con - ie 7.35% of the whole population. And then there are the DKs where Con support would be higher - maybe 25%.
A Boeing pilot involved in testing the 737 Max jetliner was indicted on Thursday by a federal grand jury on charges of deceiving safety regulators who were evaluating the plane, which was later involved in two deadly crashes.
Prosecutors said that because of Forkner’s “alleged deception”, the system was not mentioned in key FAA documents, pilot manuals or pilot-training material supplied to airlines.
Chad Meacham, acting US attorney for the northern district of Texas, said Forkner had tried to save Boeing money by withholding “critical information” from regulators. “His callous choice to mislead the FAA hampered the agency’s ability to protect the flying public and left pilots in the lurch, lacking information about certain 737 Max flight controls,” Meacham said in a statement.
Chicago-based Boeing agreed to a $2.5bn settlement to end a justice department criminal investigation into the company’s actions. Boeing said in the settlement last year that employees had misled regulators about the safety of the Max. The settlement included a fine, money for airlines that bought the plane and compensation for families of the passengers who died in the crashes.
Hmmm, not impressed by this. $2.5bn is nothing for Boeing. The top brass should be on trial too.
Why vote Labour when Boris has pinched all the best bits? Answers on a postcard to Keir Starmer...
And when Conservatives are caught on the wrong side of culture wars, they look at the polls and row back, as with Marcus Rashford, for instance, or footballers taking the knee.
Party 2021 votes 2021 share since 2017
SNP 1,691 39.2% +3.5%
Conservative 1,676 38.9% +6.8%
Labour 679 15.7% -11.4%
Green 267 6.2% +1.1%
Total votes 4,313
Labour 1,004 56.2% -0.4% +13.0% +2.1% -3.8%
Conservative 423 23.7% -1.9% +15.6% +8.2% +16.0%
Leigh West Independent ^^ 257 14.4%
Liberal Democrat 103 5.8% +2.0%
Surrey Heath
Frimley Green
CON GAIN from LD
Con 896
LD 877
Lab 76
Great results for the Blues - and look at Labour in Falkirk down from 1st to a poor 3rd. Even in Wigan their vote is down!
Guess where she's gone.
I bet you can't.
Go on have a go
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The team that led the defence of Boeing!
https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/news/200/lead-boeing-prosecutor-joins-boeing-corporate-criminal-defense-firm-kirkland-ellis/
The whole thing is utterly corrupt. Boeing got away with a fine that is little more than a slap on the wrist; senior corporate figures are not being prosecuted, and instead someone low-down the chain is being the fall guy.
Yep, they've got a design that can have uncommanded pitch events. After the 737 Max debacle.
Then there are their military contracts. Remember the hot mess from 13/14 years ago when the USAF chose an Airbus/NG refuelling tanker instead of a Boeing one? The deal was redone, on terms highly favourable to the Boeing bid, and Boeing won. Their winning bid, the KC-46, is a steaming pile of poo. At least four years late, with leaks, debris being found in fuel tanks, and lots of other issues. Meanwhile the base Airbus design is fairly happily in service with multiple countries.
Planes are Boeing's bread-and-butter. And they've forgotten how to make them.
(*) Though I'd argue not *that* hard.
Better question would be support for rejoining.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10088027/Katie-Couric-admits-editing-Ruth-Bader-Ginsburg-interview-protect-late-justice.html
It would be a relevant new question (indeed, would have been since we formally left). It is asked, is it not?
Support low, presumably? It's a bit like NHS reorganisations. There was a wide view in the NHS that the coalition reforms were a steaming pile of poo, but a clinician I knew with the ear of Ed Miliband was urging him not to propose reversal in 2015 - change is painful and disruptive, even to reverse bad change - they couldn't face doing it all again.
'Take a knee' is ridiculous. Do people 'take a back' when they lie down?
'Taking a knee' is still daft, though.
Mr. Above, it's the relevant question, though. If people think we were wrong to leave but should not rejoin, that's what matters for politicians trying to either appeal to people's current perspective or trying to persuade them to change their minds.
I don't think that will happen, as we will get into some spurious row with the French conveniently before the election, and Brexit buttons can be pushed in other ways too.
The polling I think is most relevant on Brexit is people who voted Brexit but think it is going very badly (rather than badly or wrong with hindsight). They are the most likely to switch, protest vote or revert to not voting at all.
Whether enough ex-remainers are in favour of rejoining or not matters very little. We are not going to rejoin and none of the main parties will push for us to do so anyway.
It being an Americanism that doesn't fit in the UK is suitable given the political nonsense being much the same.
Re taking a knee, I wouldn't describe going down on one knee as kneeling - I wouldn't say I kneeled when I proposed to my wife. I did, it appears, perform an extreme woke act back in 2014. Still, I've always been ahead of the curve
I don't mind most Americanisms. A few jar. 'Could care less' is particularly rubbish (I'm currently replaying Shadow Hearts: Covenant, which is over a decade and a half old, and is excellent, despite being the first place I heard that expression).
It was an abberation, that's all.
We came to our senses and left. As my daughter said a lot as a teenager ... "Get over it."
https://t.co/svOavdZGbm
Rejoin is not serious politics any time soon.
But on these numbers, I don't see how it goes away as an idea, or how Johnson's approach is serious politics either.
Cheltenham looks particularly strange to me. Cases were rising there in week to 6th Sept, but plummeted in the last week. One of its MSOAs went from being purple to light green in the space of a week! I've never seen that happen before. It's like the virus just disappeared! 3/4
https://twitter.com/ArtySmokesPS/status/1438598749073330177?s=20
Covid: False negative Covid test results confirmed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58921280
Twenty-four years ago, McDonnell Douglas merged with Boeing. The new entity was called Boeing, but in reality it was more of a reverse takeover, and MDD's management reigned supreme in the new organisation.
The problem is, MDD had had a series of (ahem) interesting failures, like the A-12 Avenger-II fiasco, or the MD-11, which never met its performance criteria. Slowly, MDD's management focus on the bottom line has taken over from Boeing's more engineering-led focus, and this seems to have led to Boeing's current woeful performance.
It'll take a decade or more for them to recover a 'good' engineering-led corporate culture. And that's what they need.
Both Boris and May tapped a different voter coalition, even though there was a strong overlap.
They had a massive order for that plane from one of the US carriers, but on the condition that they wouldn’t need any additional training for pilots already qualified to fly the existing 737 NG series. Combine this with a failed regulatory system at the FAA, that let Boeing basically certify their own aircraft, and you end up with the lead of the certification team deciding to not reference the new systems to airline customers - for what were blantantly commercial reasons.
The 787 Dreamliner also arrived late, and was then grounded after problems with batteries and fastenings, innovative technologies which weren’t properly developed. The 777X is having test flight issues as you mentioned, again it looks like the new technologies in that aircraft are not yet sufficiently developed for commercial flight - but they’ve sold hundreds of them and there’s pressure to get them certified and out of the door.
Emirates president Sir Tim Clark has warned US plane manufacturer Boeing that the Dubai-based carrier will not accept any of the ordered 777X aeroplanes unless they are at 100 percent of what was agreed.
https://www.arabianbusiness.com/transport/463727-emirates-will-not-accept-less-than-100-from-boeing-777x-order#:~:text=Emirates president Sir Tim Clark,percent of what was agreed.
benderbusiness trip. These numbers are not good for the Tories, and the move away from people thinking Brexit has been a success is only going to continue.Brexit hasn't worked / isn't working / won't work with regards to the impossible promises made. The deeper we get into Christmas - if the now universally expected shortages do appear - the worse the polling will get.
No, we aren't about to rejoin or even have a party saying so. This is "Make Brexit Work" as Starmer put it and we will increasingly see government minister vs the world scenes as we saw the other week with Zahawi on Question Time.
We know the Tory tactics. Deny there is an issue. Insist the issue is someone else's fault. Say the issue was always the plan so celebrate getting what you voted for. All we need is one Daily Mail "shock expose" comparing and contrasting the UK's "Christmas Hell" vs EU full shelves for this to move south quickly.
Final observation. All of this is avoidable. Our standards are the EU standards are our standards. We have imposed this hell for the theoretical right to diverge at some point in the future. Whilst signing deals with countries that maintain our complete alignment. The Mail headlines "What was the point???" at the end of this will kill them.
I suspect this is strongly correlated with general Government performance *and* how much we're talking about the EU in the news. So you've got the TCA negotiations last year, the "EU is shit" meme from late Spring this year, and the NI protocol/HGV thing now.
What the Government needs to do is get a recovery firmly in place and get Brexit and the EU out of the headlines, and then these figures should recover.
However, the psychology feels very stereotypically English. A growing sense that this is a mistake coupled with both a reluctance to turn back (too awkward) and louder cries of "onward" from the vanguard.
My guess is that the "mistake" poll needs to get to about 60:30 (and settle there) before the arch pragmatists in the Conservatives start to scratch their chins.
No sign of that now, but you can't rule it out forever.
If KC-45 had prevailed in KC-X it would not have been the already semi-proven A330 MRTT as it has a completely different mission system architecture which would have doubtless brought its own set of issues.
A330 is now back in the hunt for the USAF KC-Y/Bridge Tanker program in the form of the LMXT.
With Pox cases rising from the previous stupidly high sustained level is this really the right move? Aside from LF tests being less accurate, people will really really object to the obvious extortion of having to pay dollah for something they already have.
Typical Tory half baked stupid decision.
As for the Mail, remember that I have a Journalism degree. The Heil is a *superb* newspaper. It instinctively knows what its readers want and ladels it out in precise quantities. I personally dislike what is in the ladel but you have to respect the craft.
The reason why the Mail turning would be bad is that is the house mag for Toryism. Lose them and you lose the mission.
But I fear the KC-46 issues make the A330MRTT issues look trivial. Boeing have really mucked up.
The Heil on Sunday opposed Brexit and once its Editor switched over he took his existing views with him.
If what you're saying is true then why did the Heil on Sunday back Remain in the first place? Why hasn't Geordie Gregg who's been consistently anti-Boris and anti-government since he took over at the Daily Heil been able to turn the polls?
https://twitter.com/brettroberts/status/1448186962804764674?s=20
The point here is that Brexit was originally promoted as a way of escaping from such absurd rules but the rules are still here. They have been transposed in to domestic legislation and prevail. Politicians cannot blame the EU any more, they just do nothing at all about them. So much for sovereignty.
The airlines got their fingers burned with the A380s, the first few of which were 10 tonnes too heavy, and couldn’t carry a full load of pax with all their luggage on the promised 16 or 17 hour flight. The first A380 flights to places like Los Angeles, had a 777 shadow them with pax bags and cargo.
The better questions are the ones hinted at by Starmer in his conference speech with the slogan "Make Brexit Work". Is the government messing up Brexit? Would Labour do a better job with it?
That's the question that Labour need to target.
That's like referring to the Prime Minister as "an MP".
https://www.flightglobal.com/programmes/boeing-orders-737-max-inspections-after-fuel-tank-fod-find/136819.article
That's a cultural thing, e.g. too few inspectors, and allowing workers to inspect and verify their own work.
Boeing has cut everything too much to the bone. Design, testing, and construction.
He had a big salary and would been well aware of the possible outcome of his actions, in leaving pilots unaware of what they aircraft was doing.
Not heard that line before, brilliant!
They decided that they would design planes, buy chunks of planes from 3rd party interrogators who would in turn contract out work etc etc. Yes, this is how much of aerospace works - but they took it to new heights. Or depths depending on your point of view.
This results in a couple of things - the real engineers tend to leave your company, to work for the 3rd parties you are contracting with. You end up losing a lot of real knowledge.
C-suite thought that they were outsourcing risk - that they can specific a chunk of plane, and if it doesn't do what it says on the tin, they can sue the contractors. But if the design is shit.. and the big lesson from 2008 is that you can't put risk in a box and sell it to people. It always finds it's way home.
So, you've lost your design skills, control of risk and then you have to integrate chunks of plane and do the final testing. Ah, but we can save money there......
https://twitter.com/falkirkcouncil/status/1448786323893100547
Crushing SNP win.
I would have predicted with that many Lab voters the Cons would have won on preferences but apparently not. Interesting to see how the votes broke.
It can't be cancelled, it's happened. And it won't be reversed either.
Neither politicians nor the public are going to want to go through that again, and even if we did have a collective reversal the French would say non.
England will never again be a part of the EU.
We have the power to change the rules. Politicians do not have to, but if enough people vote against them because of it they lose their seats. That *is* sovereignty
Its really not hard to anticipate the outrage of NIMBYs if such "protections" were removed. Any subordinate legislation seeking to do so will inevitably be judicially reviewed with learned Judges opining on whether the Minister took all the relevant factors into account etc. It means years of grief and effort with the risk of disgruntled voters at the end of it.
The inertia and obstruction in our planning system really cannot be underestimated but I have to say my recent trip to Oxford and trip around London reminded me that population density in the southern part of the country is intense. The volume of traffic on the roads is jaw dropping to a Scot like me as is the lack of green space. It may be that nitrates and foul water disposal are just indicators that capacity has been reached.
Is there a family of Sandpits, in Devon and Dorset?
Edited extra bit: as an aside, re-reading bits of a medieval history and was pleased to see 'sciving' used in a quote from the time.
Brexit was promoted as that the rules would be under the control of the people we elect.
If you want that rule gone, you can elect politicians promising to repeal that rule. You couldn't in the EU.
He was mightily pissed off and couldn't understand why it was 'coming from Europe'. I had no idea but it struck me how inextricably intertwined we are with our neighbours and how difficult it's going to be to separate ourselves.Those who voted leave did so for the most superficial of reasons and as the weeks and months pass even the most parochial of Leavers who have never taken a step out of Hartlepool are going to start noticing.
1) Only 1 centre right party. 4 (inc SNP) centre left ones. Do the maths.
2) Many moderates of all sorts still find Labour unelectable as a party because so many of their members hate their own leader
3) It doesn't matter what you think of Brexit as long as there is no serious party with a clear policy of reversal, either to the EU or to EFTA.
4) And if no other party plans to reverse, then you may as well vote for the party
that believes in Brexit instead of a party that will stick with it without belief in it
5) Moderate voters don't like being called scum
You don't need to post you chest puffed Ian Paisley impression, we know, we know...
Parliament couldn't reverse EU rules unilaterally and EU democracy is a sham.
We are not rejoining anytime soon and it is sensible to try to make it work, as Blair said we need to rejoin from a strong position. If we ever do.
Have to say I admire the cynical marketing of some of the confectionary makers saying there may be shortages so buy now. Of course any confectionary bought now is not likely to last too long.