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Boris Johnson now squats like a giant toad across British politics. He has expanded the Overton window in both directions. Praising bankers and drug companies, while tight on immigration and woke history. Cheered for lauding the NHS and pro LGBT. Where does Labour find a gap?
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Threader needs a bit of editing, TSE….0
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Off topic, and not sure if it was covered yesterday but what are the procedural thoughts on the Welsh Assembly's vote yesterday where the outcome was changed because one member could not log on to Zoom?
Feels unsatisfactory to me, and open to someone targeting their broadband in important votes.0 -
Yah, multi-tasking and OGH ringing me to put up a thread.Leon said:Threader needs a bit of editing, TSE….
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Better now, just needs a couple of commasTheScreamingEagles said:
Yah, multi-tasking and OGH ringing me to put up a thread.Leon said:Threader needs a bit of editing, TSE….
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Having a vote changed due to IT issues is not democracy. Utterly unacceptable.noneoftheabove said:Off topic, and not sure if it was covered yesterday but what are the procedural thoughts on the Welsh Assembly's vote yesterday where the outcome was changed because one member could not log on to Zoom?
Feels unsatisfactory to me, and open to someone targeting their broadband in important votes.2 -
Worth recalling that Starmer's speech was reasonably well received on here.0
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If there is an election next spring the Tories likely get a working majority. If they carry on trying to work out how to deliver better, giving only aspiration not delivering better, say beyond this time next year, it’s Icarus wings isn’t it?0
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Is it any less acceptable than due to a cancelled train, heart attack or child in hospital?Philip_Thompson said:
Having a vote changed due to IT issues is not democracy. Utterly unacceptable.noneoftheabove said:Off topic, and not sure if it was covered yesterday but what are the procedural thoughts on the Welsh Assembly's vote yesterday where the outcome was changed because one member could not log on to Zoom?
Feels unsatisfactory to me, and open to someone targeting their broadband in important votes.1 -
Boris is showbiz. Absolutely no doubt about that. Cracking jokes, magnetic stage presence.
Totally unfit to be PM but who TF cares.1 -
On topic SKS couldn't find a gap in a designer jeans shop2
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Jim Jones was undoubtedly a charismatic preacher.TOPPING said:Boris is showbiz. Absolutely no doubt about that. Cracking jokes, magnetic stage presence.
Totally unfit to be PM but who TF cares.0 -
Missed the speech. Take it those who find the PM the very definition of charisma loved it.
Thoae who don't didn't?1 -
I think so because it is possible to attack someones broadband connection with little chance of being found out. Poker players have had this problem in the past, where they get targeted with a DDOS attack, typically used against big companies, when in a big pot, and ending up timed out.dixiedean said:
Is it any less acceptable than due to a cancelled train, heart attack or child in hospital?Philip_Thompson said:
Having a vote changed due to IT issues is not democracy. Utterly unacceptable.noneoftheabove said:Off topic, and not sure if it was covered yesterday but what are the procedural thoughts on the Welsh Assembly's vote yesterday where the outcome was changed because one member could not log on to Zoom?
Feels unsatisfactory to me, and open to someone targeting their broadband in important votes.1 -
From what I read there were a few options for him to vote, calling the Presiding Officer, instructing a proxy.Philip_Thompson said:
Having a vote changed due to IT issues is not democracy. Utterly unacceptable.noneoftheabove said:Off topic, and not sure if it was covered yesterday but what are the procedural thoughts on the Welsh Assembly's vote yesterday where the outcome was changed because one member could not log on to Zoom?
Feels unsatisfactory to me, and open to someone targeting their broadband in important votes.1 -
Wasn't it your hero Corbyn who lost heavily in GE2019?bigjohnowls said:On topic SKS couldn't find a gap in a designer jeans shop
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One thing he must have over SKS.
45 minutes. Now you're talking. Or not.1 -
Why is that relevantSunil_Prasannan said:
Wasn't it your hero Corbyn who lost heavily in GE2019?bigjohnowls said:On topic SKS couldn't find a gap in a designer jeans shop
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Didn’t see the speech.
Sounds like it was the usual snake oil for the highly gullible and intellectually feeble.
If it’s comedy you’re after, there’s loads of good stuff on Netflix.0 -
"My speaking style was criticised by no less an authority than Arnold Schwarzenegger. It was a low moment, my friends, to have my rhetorical skills denounced by a monosyllabic Austrian cyborg."TOPPING said:Boris is showbiz. Absolutely no doubt about that. Cracking jokes, magnetic stage presence.
Totally unfit to be PM but who TF cares.
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(Somewhat on topic...) Would you invest in an outfit called Fantasia ?
Fantasia downgraded to default status by rating agencies as Chinese property sector crisis worsens
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/world/2021/10/672_316576.html0 -
Yeah, that.dixiedean said:Missed the speech. Take it those who find the PM the very definition of charisma loved it.
Thoae who don't didn't?0 -
If I crash a car then hand it over to you and tell you you've got to drive a hundred miles then I start criticising you over the lack of progress you're going to be rightly angry.bigjohnowls said:
Why is that relevantSunil_Prasannan said:
Wasn't it your hero Corbyn who lost heavily in GE2019?bigjohnowls said:On topic SKS couldn't find a gap in a designer jeans shop
Corbyn bequeathed Starmer a toxic legacy.10 -
Because that's why you only won 202 seats.bigjohnowls said:
Why is that relevantSunil_Prasannan said:
Wasn't it your hero Corbyn who lost heavily in GE2019?bigjohnowls said:On topic SKS couldn't find a gap in a designer jeans shop
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Yes, and by me, amongst others. I thought - and said here - Starmer did pretty well. He’s not a great orator, he’s lacking in humour, but he came across as decent, sincere (tho later on I recalled Starmer’s demand for a 2nd referendum so I resiled on that). Starmer also spoke far too long, and didn’t offer any detailkle4 said:Worth recalling that Starmer's speech was reasonably well received on here.
Boris gabbled his speech, he threw away good, funny, profound or important lines. Why does he do this? I think others are right: he’s used to addressing drunken dinners. His peroration was weak and, like Starmer, the speech lacked detail.
But Boris told a good and upbeat story (unlike Starmer), he made his audience, in the hall and at home, actually laugh. It’s pretty clear which party will be going home in better spirits, and which party is happier with its leader
The economy has to absolutely tank for Labour to have a chance of winning. That might happen, of course6 -
Going back to this mornings threads, perhaps this will be the start of the next global house price crash.....Nigelb said:(Somewhat on topic...) Would you invest in an outfit called Fantasia ?
Fantasia downgraded to default status by rating agencies as Chinese property sector crisis worsens
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/world/2021/10/672_316576.html0 -
Once had a horse called Autumn Fantasy, which I thought sounded like the colour of a cheap bathroom suite ("would you like that in the avocado or the Autumn Fantasy?")Nigelb said:(Somewhat on topic...) Would you invest in an outfit called Fantasia ?
Fantasia downgraded to default status by rating agencies as Chinese property sector crisis worsens
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Crikey, the entirety of Twitch got hacked/leaked.
If you use that, change your password ASAP.0 -
People invest in/use Nonce Finance.Nigelb said:(Somewhat on topic...) Would you invest in an outfit called Fantasia ?
Fantasia downgraded to default status by rating agencies as Chinese property sector crisis worsens
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/world/2021/10/672_316576.html
Names don't matter.
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Boris was actually funnier than most of the sitcoms on NetflixGardenwalker said:Didn’t see the speech.
Sounds like it was the usual snake oil for the highly gullible and intellectually feeble.
If it’s comedy you’re after, there’s loads of good stuff on Netflix.0 -
Speech length
Starmer 89 mins
Johnson 44 mins4 -
Word of the day (again) is ‘ultracrepidarian’ (19th century): one who gives opinions and judgements on matters they know nothing about.
https://twitter.com/susie_dent/status/1445722553549561856
Disappointed she used judgement though rather than judgment.1 -
Not a high bar.Leon said:
Boris was actually funnier than most of the sitcoms on NetflixGardenwalker said:Didn’t see the speech.
Sounds like it was the usual snake oil for the highly gullible and intellectually feeble.
If it’s comedy you’re after, there’s loads of good stuff on Netflix.0 -
There's an assumption in all the commentary that Johnson means what he says and, if so, is also capable of delivering it. In practice, I don't believe a word he says. Too often he claims to be doing one thing only to mask the fact that he's doing the opposite. I think that in time more will come to see that, and opinions of him will shift further for the worse.1
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A fair assessment.Leon said:
Yes, and by me, amongst others. I thought - and said here - Starmer did pretty well. He’s not a great orator, he’s lacking in humour, but he came across as decent, sincere (tho later on I recalled Starmer’s demand for a 2nd referendum so I resiled on that). Starmer also spoke far too long, and didn’t offer any detailkle4 said:Worth recalling that Starmer's speech was reasonably well received on here.
Boris gabbled his speech, he threw away good, funny, profound or important lines. Why does he do this? I think others are right: he’s used to addressing drunken dinners. His peroration was weak and, like Starmer, the speech lacked detail.
But Boris told a good and upbeat story (unlike Starmer), he made his audience, in the hall and at home, actually laugh. It’s pretty clear which party will be going home in better spirits, and which party is happier with its leader
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Synonyms for ultracrepidarian:TheScreamingEagles said:Word of the day (again) is ‘ultracrepidarian’ (19th century): one who gives opinions and judgements on matters they know nothing about.
https://twitter.com/susie_dent/status/1445722553549561856
Disappointed she used judgement though rather than judgment.
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From past thread: What was the key question he framed that Labour have lost already?
Something along the lines of:
Do you agree that Brexit represents an opportunity to reboot Britain and we should get on with it, or do you want to go with Starmer and open our borders again?0 -
V funny when he visibly disagreed with his speechwriters about the make up of Churchill's audience.
Shows what a game he thinks it all is when he is so happy to break the fourth wall.1 -
@Dura_Ace wheels it out from time to time. I am with Dr Johnson - You may scold a carpenter who has made you a bad table, though you cannot make a table. It is not your trade to make tables.TheScreamingEagles said:Word of the day (again) is ‘ultracrepidarian’ (19th century): one who gives opinions and judgements on matters they know nothing about.
https://twitter.com/susie_dent/status/1445722553549561856
Disappointed she used judgement though rather than judgment.2 -
Just saw a clip of the speech - what was with the lighting in the hall? I thought it was taking place in a cave.0
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Nah, "judgment" is the Yank spelling.TheScreamingEagles said:Word of the day (again) is ‘ultracrepidarian’ (19th century): one who gives opinions and judgements on matters they know nothing about.
https://twitter.com/susie_dent/status/1445722553549561856
Disappointed she used judgement though rather than judgment.
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Indeed, not sure who jumped onto Leon's laptop.....OnlyLivingBoy said:
A fair assessment.Leon said:
Yes, and by me, amongst others. I thought - and said here - Starmer did pretty well. He’s not a great orator, he’s lacking in humour, but he came across as decent, sincere (tho later on I recalled Starmer’s demand for a 2nd referendum so I resiled on that). Starmer also spoke far too long, and didn’t offer any detailkle4 said:Worth recalling that Starmer's speech was reasonably well received on here.
Boris gabbled his speech, he threw away good, funny, profound or important lines. Why does he do this? I think others are right: he’s used to addressing drunken dinners. His peroration was weak and, like Starmer, the speech lacked detail.
But Boris told a good and upbeat story (unlike Starmer), he made his audience, in the hall and at home, actually laugh. It’s pretty clear which party will be going home in better spirits, and which party is happier with its leader
The economy has to absolutely tank for Labour to have a chance of winning. That might happen, of course0 -
We’ve had two years of Boris-ism, though, and 40% either haven’t figured it out or have, but don’t care.Wulfrun_Phil said:There's an assumption in all the commentary that Johnson means what he says and, if so, is also capable of delivering it. In practice, I don't believe a word he says. Too often he claims to be doing one thing only to mask the fact that he's doing the opposite. I think that in time more will come to see that, and opinions of him will shift further for the worse.
As others say, only an economic downturn is likely to knock the scales from the voters’ eyes.
And even then, Keir is not much use and not very ornamental.0 -
Isn’t this just a truism? The same could be said of any political leader in historyWulfrun_Phil said:There's an assumption in all the commentary that Johnson means what he says and, if so, is also capable of delivering it. In practice, I don't believe a word he says. Too often he claims to be doing one thing only to mask the fact that he's doing the opposite. I think that in time more will come to see that, and opinions of him will shift further for the worse.
Question is how long Boris can trundle along before, as you say, he runs out of road
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They’re actually using Zoom?Philip_Thompson said:
Having a vote changed due to IT issues is not democracy. Utterly unacceptable.noneoftheabove said:Off topic, and not sure if it was covered yesterday but what are the procedural thoughts on the Welsh Assembly's vote yesterday where the outcome was changed because one member could not log on to Zoom?
Feels unsatisfactory to me, and open to someone targeting their broadband in important votes.0 -
Labour have to highlight the New-conservative class who donate to the party.
Make it so whenever a voter sees Johnson they remember the Russian money, the hedge fund and financier money and the developer money. And they understand that it isn't given because of oligarchic love of sound governance but to further influence the rules of the country.
Call him Boris incessantly but do it to reference the wealth the party receives from a ruling class that has already corrupted one system and would do to ours.
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No mate.TheScreamingEagles said:
If I crash a car then hand it over to you and tell you you've got to drive a hundred miles then I start criticising you over the lack of progress you're going to be rightly angry.bigjohnowls said:
Why is that relevantSunil_Prasannan said:
Wasn't it your hero Corbyn who lost heavily in GE2019?bigjohnowls said:On topic SKS couldn't find a gap in a designer jeans shop
Corbyn bequeathed Starmer a toxic legacy.
Starmer has removed the wheels on the left side from the car and made it so the steering wheel only turns right.
Everyone who drives it falls asleep listening to SKS greatest hits on the cassette and crashes the car over again.
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Energy prices.....kle4 said:Just saw a clip of the speech - what was with the lighting in the hall? I thought it was taking place in a cave.
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“ Del Boy is a happy-go-lucky, cheeky character. While not always successful, his general optimism and confidence often persuade people to believe in him. Del Boy is a compulsive liar, particularly to women, customers, policemen and even his family and doctors. Athough engaged many times, he never marries. He has had many girlfriends, a fact that is the subject of numerous sarcastic comments by Rodney. Del Boy is a petty criminal and makes no attempt to hide it unless directly confronted by the authoritiesLeon said:
Yes, and by me, amongst others. I thought - and said here - Starmer did pretty well. He’s not a great orator, he’s lacking in humour, but he came across as decent, sincere (tho later on I recalled Starmer’s demand for a 2nd referendum so I resiled on that). Starmer also spoke far too long, and didn’t offer any detailkle4 said:Worth recalling that Starmer's speech was reasonably well received on here.
Boris gabbled his speech, he threw away good, funny, profound or important lines. Why does he do this? I think others are right: he’s used to addressing drunken dinners. His peroration was weak and, like Starmer, the speech lacked detail.
But Boris told a good and upbeat story (unlike Starmer), he made his audience, in the hall and at home, actually laugh. It’s pretty clear which party will be going home in better spirits, and which party is happier with its leader
The economy has to absolutely tank for Labour to have a chance of winning. That might happen, of course
Del Boy is often regarded as one of the greatest comedy characters in the history of British television, and is regarded as an iconic character in British culture." “
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Yet another example of Johnson doublespeak.rottenborough said:From past thread: What was the key question he framed that Labour have lost already?
Something along the lines of:
Do you agree that Brexit represents an opportunity to reboot Britain and we should get on with it, or do you want to go with Starmer and open our borders again?
Which of the two of them had "Make Brexit Work" as their slogan?
Yes, Johnson should get on with it, and as Starmer pointed out he needs to but is doing anything but.
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The undoing of Johnson is the yawning chasm between rhetoric and reality.0
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GE2019 result:bigjohnowls said:
No mate.TheScreamingEagles said:
If I crash a car then hand it over to you and tell you you've got to drive a hundred miles then I start criticising you over the lack of progress you're going to be rightly angry.bigjohnowls said:
Why is that relevantSunil_Prasannan said:
Wasn't it your hero Corbyn who lost heavily in GE2019?bigjohnowls said:On topic SKS couldn't find a gap in a designer jeans shop
Corbyn bequeathed Starmer a toxic legacy.
Starmer has removed the wheels on the left side from the car and made it so the steering wheel only turns right.
Everyone who drives it falls asleep listening to SKS greatest hits on the cassette and crashes the car over again.
Johnson 365 seats
Corbyn 202 seats0 -
Finally a Tory MP gets it.
Rising wages are great unless prices rise faster. Inflation matters - it’s about what we can afford and how families make ends meet in a tough month.
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It's not but even if it was it is completely irrelevant to Starmer being a useless nonentity.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Because that's why you only won 202 seats.bigjohnowls said:
Why is that relevantSunil_Prasannan said:
Wasn't it your hero Corbyn who lost heavily in GE2019?bigjohnowls said:On topic SKS couldn't find a gap in a designer jeans shop
Try and mount a defence of SKS without yeah but Corbyn.
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Last remnants of the old guard I'm afraid.TheScreamingEagles said:Finally a Tory MP gets it.
Rising wages are great unless prices rise faster. Inflation matters - it’s about what we can afford and how families make ends meet in a tough month.
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Starmer hasn't lost GE2024... yet.bigjohnowls said:
It's not but even if it was it is completely irrelevant to Starmer being a useless nonentity.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Because that's why you only won 202 seats.bigjohnowls said:
Why is that relevantSunil_Prasannan said:
Wasn't it your hero Corbyn who lost heavily in GE2019?bigjohnowls said:On topic SKS couldn't find a gap in a designer jeans shop
Try and mount a defence of SKS without yeah but Corbyn.
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And that's the point.Leon said:
Yes, and by me, amongst others. I thought - and said here - Starmer did pretty well. He’s not a great orator, he’s lacking in humour, but he came across as decent, sincere (tho later on I recalled Starmer’s demand for a 2nd referendum so I resiled on that). Starmer also spoke far too long, and didn’t offer any detailkle4 said:Worth recalling that Starmer's speech was reasonably well received on here.
Boris gabbled his speech, he threw away good, funny, profound or important lines. Why does he do this? I think others are right: he’s used to addressing drunken dinners. His peroration was weak and, like Starmer, the speech lacked detail.
But Boris told a good and upbeat story (unlike Starmer), he made his audience, in the hall and at home, actually laugh. It’s pretty clear which party will be going home in better spirits, and which party is happier with its leader
The economy has to absolutely tank for Labour to have a chance of winning. That might happen, of course
If things are going well, any incumbent will look like a winner, even if they are an incoherent oaf.
When things go badly, that's when politicians earn their corn. People can read the polls of 2020 in different ways, but I think they show BoJo gradually spaffing away the bump he got as we all rallied round the flag at the start of the crisis.
And sunny optimism works brilliantly in sunny times. Try the same thing when lots of people are struggling, it makes you look a bit of a psycho. So the next election depends on what it always depended on- does Bozzanomics work?1 -
Boris likes to talk about the future because his record is so poor.0
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We might have to nuke The Met and start all over again.
A woman who was arrested at the Sarah Everard vigil says that about 50 police officers contacted her via a dating app, leaving her “terrified”.
The image of Patsy Stevenson, 28, being pinned to the floor by two male police officers on March 13, her hands held behind her back, was one of the defining images in criticism of how the vigil in Clapham Common was policed.
Stevenson said that officers approached her on Tinder after she was handcuffed at the vigil.
“They were all in uniform on their profiles or it said ‘I’m a police officer’,” she told the BBC.
“I do not understand why someone would do that. It is almost like an intimidation thing, saying ‘look we can see you’, and that, to me, is terrifying.
“They know what I went through and they know that I’m fearful of police and they’ve done that for a reason.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/woman-arrested-at-everard-vigil-says-officers-contacted-her-on-tinder-dating-app-mkvbj9xpp2 -
I don't think there are any scales on the voters eyes. People know exactly who and what Boris is.Gardenwalker said:
We’ve had two years of Boris-ism, though, and 40% either haven’t figured it out or have, but don’t care.Wulfrun_Phil said:There's an assumption in all the commentary that Johnson means what he says and, if so, is also capable of delivering it. In practice, I don't believe a word he says. Too often he claims to be doing one thing only to mask the fact that he's doing the opposite. I think that in time more will come to see that, and opinions of him will shift further for the worse.
As others say, only an economic downturn is likely to knock the scales from the voters’ eyes.
And even then, Keir is not much use and not very ornamental.
They're just OK with it. As long as things are going well, they are happy with the upbeat demeaner even if it irritates others and even if its not always serious.
People don't want dour and serious and negative all the time. If they did, they'd have elected Brown not Cameron.0 -
Boris has a vision to sell. He will get on and sell it. Despite "teething troubles", he will say this is what we should have been doing these past 40 years.
And you know what? He'll be right.....3 -
In a world where millions believe in QAnon, how difficult is it to merely believe that things are getting better when they are not, or that Labour would make things worse than the Tories (and to be fair, they might well do)?Jonathan said:The undoing of Johnson is the yawning chasm between rhetoric and reality.
Our capabilities for holding belief systems have changed massively with the shift from national press and tv to unregulated internet.0 -
Yup.noneoftheabove said:
Last remnants of the old guard I'm afraid.TheScreamingEagles said:Finally a Tory MP gets it.
Rising wages are great unless prices rise faster. Inflation matters - it’s about what we can afford and how families make ends meet in a tough month.
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/14456971138121809920 -
snake oilMarqueeMark said:Boris has a vision to sell. He will get on and sell it. Despite "teething troubles", he will say this is what we should have been doing these past 40 years.
And you know what? He'll be right.....0 -
Does make me laugh. When the entryists flooded the Labour Party 2015 was year zero. If you were a member pre-Jeremy you were a Tory. All of the successes and ideas and practices of the past went in the bin.
And now? 2019 is year zero. Labour getting dragged down to 202 seats and having had the toxic terrorist as leader never happened. Starmer should be 20 points ahead and that he has failed to pull Labour all the way back out of the Corbyn pit is all his fault because what pit.
Its no wonder that @bigjohnowls has pledged to vote Tory, the argument is so delusional it may as well be from Boris.4 -
Except you're pointedly ignoring TSE the fact that prices have risen faster than wages for decades now.TheScreamingEagles said:Finally a Tory MP gets it.
Rising wages are great unless prices rise faster. Inflation matters - it’s about what we can afford and how families make ends meet in a tough month.
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/1445697113812180992
Not an issue if you got a mortgage when you were 18 and sold it on to buy a mansion for cash so you don't have to worry about inflation. For families making ends meet though, inflation never went away in the first place.1 -
Isn't Tom T part of the salon des refusés? Basically the Ted Heath role in Spitting Image's "Tomorrow belongs to me" parody?TheScreamingEagles said:Finally a Tory MP gets it.
Rising wages are great unless prices rise faster. Inflation matters - it’s about what we can afford and how families make ends meet in a tough month.
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/14456971138121809920 -
Alas we found that Boris' rhetoric did not save your grandparents from covid, put food on the shelves, fuel in your tank or money in your pocket.noneoftheabove said:
In a world where millions believe in QAnon, how difficult is it to merely believe that things are getting better when they are not, or that Labour would make things worse than the Tories (and to be fair, they might well do)?Jonathan said:The undoing of Johnson is the yawning chasm between rhetoric and reality.
Our capabilities for holding belief systems have changed massively with the shift from national press and tv to unregulated internet.1 -
I don't think the same could be said of any political leader. Take "levelling up" for example. You can't really accuse any recent Conservative leader of parking their tanks on Labour's lawn to the same degree. It appeals to the Red Wall and is a good short term tactic. But it leaves him a lot more exposed, and with a lot further to fall when the Emperor is found to have no clothes.Leon said:
Isn’t this just a truism? The same could be said of any political leader in historyWulfrun_Phil said:There's an assumption in all the commentary that Johnson means what he says and, if so, is also capable of delivering it. In practice, I don't believe a word he says. Too often he claims to be doing one thing only to mask the fact that he's doing the opposite. I think that in time more will come to see that, and opinions of him will shift further for the worse.
Question is how long Boris can trundle along before, as you say, he runs out of road
There’s a decent chance he could make it to the second half of the decade as PM
As you say, in the meantime the question is how long Johnson can maintain the fiction.1 -
Lol.MarqueeMark said:Boris has a vision to sell. He will get on and sell it. Despite "teething troubles", he will say this is what we should have been doing these past 40 years.
And you know what? He'll be right.....0 -
Some consistency would be helpful. If the massive upheavals to the economy and the shortages and the nuking of energy prices is all part of the glorious Brexit masterplan then why spend the previous weeks denying such horrors are happening?MarqueeMark said:Boris has a vision to sell. He will get on and sell it. Despite "teething troubles", he will say this is what we should have been doing these past 40 years.
And you know what? He'll be right.....
Even in his speech today there was no reference to it - surely it should be "you can't get fuel and thats a Good Thing because we are building back better pay and conditions for British truckers!0 -
According to Laura K the Chief Whip is anticipating a 20 year reign.Leon said:
Isn’t this just a truism? The same could be said of any political leader in historyWulfrun_Phil said:There's an assumption in all the commentary that Johnson means what he says and, if so, is also capable of delivering it. In practice, I don't believe a word he says. Too often he claims to be doing one thing only to mask the fact that he's doing the opposite. I think that in time more will come to see that, and opinions of him will shift further for the worse.
Question is how long Boris can trundle along before, as you say, he runs out of road
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Actually he's ruining the country. Small but critical difference. If he was doing no harm and merely providing sunny and delusional commentary - that would be all right.noneoftheabove said:
Where is the evidence he is running the country as opposed to merely observing the country and providing sunny and delusional commentary?kinabalu said:
Much truth here and very little that isn't.SandyRentool said:Statesman my arse.
Fecking court jester running the country.0 -
My point this morning:RochdalePioneers said:
Some consistency would be helpful. If the massive upheavals to the economy and the shortages and the nuking of energy prices is all part of the glorious Brexit masterplan then why spend the previous weeks denying such horrors are happening?MarqueeMark said:Boris has a vision to sell. He will get on and sell it. Despite "teething troubles", he will say this is what we should have been doing these past 40 years.
And you know what? He'll be right.....
Even in his speech today there was no reference to it - surely it should be "you can't get fuel and thats a Good Thing because we are building back better pay and conditions for British truckers!
Boris: Brexit is not responsible for shortages, supply issues, mass pigocide, etc
Also Boris: The economy is experiencing stresses and strains which you'd expect from Brexit and is part of our Grand Plan.1 -
Passwords not leaked yet apparently. Twitch users should read this and do what it and @TheScreamingEagles say, and also pay their taxes.TheScreamingEagles said:Crikey, the entirety of Twitch got hacked/leaked.
If you use that, change your password ASAP.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/6/22712250/twitch-hack-leak-data-streamer-revenue-steam-competitor0 -
But Boris has already shown he can survive bad times. The UKG fucked up early covid, didn’t close the borders in time, killed people in care homes. Disgraceful. We also had the worst economic slump in the G7. Meanwhile Brexit has been endless ear-ache and people have been queuing hours for petrol (a crisis which severely dented ‘Teflon’ Tony Blair)Stuartinromford said:
And that's the point.Leon said:
Yes, and by me, amongst others. I thought - and said here - Starmer did pretty well. He’s not a great orator, he’s lacking in humour, but he came across as decent, sincere (tho later on I recalled Starmer’s demand for a 2nd referendum so I resiled on that). Starmer also spoke far too long, and didn’t offer any detailkle4 said:Worth recalling that Starmer's speech was reasonably well received on here.
Boris gabbled his speech, he threw away good, funny, profound or important lines. Why does he do this? I think others are right: he’s used to addressing drunken dinners. His peroration was weak and, like Starmer, the speech lacked detail.
But Boris told a good and upbeat story (unlike Starmer), he made his audience, in the hall and at home, actually laugh. It’s pretty clear which party will be going home in better spirits, and which party is happier with its leader
The economy has to absolutely tank for Labour to have a chance of winning. That might happen, of course
If things are going well, any incumbent will look like a winner, even if they are an incoherent oaf.
When things go badly, that's when politicians earn their corn. People can read the polls of 2020 in different ways, but I think they show BoJo gradually spaffing away the bump he got as we all rallied round the flag at the start of the crisis.
And sunny optimism works brilliantly in sunny times. Try the same thing when lots of people are struggling, it makes you look a bit of a psycho. So the next election depends on what it always depended on- does Bozzanomics work?
Yet Boris sails serenely on. He is protected by the praetorian guard of Leave voters, but he also has some undefinable charisma which sustains him. He is a phenomenon. He’s also clearly regained his vim after his Covid infection
If he stays in office til the next GE he will be extremely hard to defeat - as things stand0 -
A vision to sell snake oil?MarqueeMark said:Boris has a vision to sell. He will get on and sell it. Despite "teething troubles", he will say this is what we should have been doing these past 40 years.
And you know what? He'll be right.....
I like how all these issues besetting the government are couched as the work of their predecessors, which Johnson has been tasked with resolving.
Smoke and mirrors bollocks, that Johnson lovers will simply lap up.2 -
Because "horrors" aren't happening.RochdalePioneers said:
Some consistency would be helpful. If the massive upheavals to the economy and the shortages and the nuking of energy prices is all part of the glorious Brexit masterplan then why spend the previous weeks denying such horrors are happening?MarqueeMark said:Boris has a vision to sell. He will get on and sell it. Despite "teething troubles", he will say this is what we should have been doing these past 40 years.
And you know what? He'll be right.....
Even in his speech today there was no reference to it - surely it should be "you can't get fuel and thats a Good Thing because we are building back better pay and conditions for British truckers!
You can get fuel and were it not for a media-induced panic you always could.
You can get bacon and if a few pigs bred to be killed get killed it isn't the end of the world.
There's a big difference between going through teething issues in a transition to a better place, and going through abject horrors and misery.1 -
Site seems very sticky in the last couple of minutes. Hope the Americans waking up have not broken Facebook again.0
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Did they show her their warrant cards?TheScreamingEagles said:We might have to nuke The Met and start all over again.
A woman who was arrested at the Sarah Everard vigil says that about 50 police officers contacted her via a dating app, leaving her “terrified”.
The image of Patsy Stevenson, 28, being pinned to the floor by two male police officers on March 13, her hands held behind her back, was one of the defining images in criticism of how the vigil in Clapham Common was policed.
Stevenson said that officers approached her on Tinder after she was handcuffed at the vigil.
“They were all in uniform on their profiles or it said ‘I’m a police officer’,” she told the BBC.
“I do not understand why someone would do that. It is almost like an intimidation thing, saying ‘look we can see you’, and that, to me, is terrifying.
“They know what I went through and they know that I’m fearful of police and they’ve done that for a reason.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/woman-arrested-at-everard-vigil-says-officers-contacted-her-on-tinder-dating-app-mkvbj9xpp
I appreciate that this may sound like "women shouldn't go out dressed like that", but if you want to avoid weirdos and perverts, then I'd suggest avoiding Tinder.0 -
And lawyers' spelling. At least, that is what I remember from the last time it came up here. Judges issue judgments.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Nah, "judgment" is the Yank spelling.TheScreamingEagles said:Word of the day (again) is ‘ultracrepidarian’ (19th century): one who gives opinions and judgements on matters they know nothing about.
https://twitter.com/susie_dent/status/1445722553549561856
Disappointed she used judgement though rather than judgment.
https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/19/judgement/0 -
The problem for Boris - for any politician, but especially for the PM - is that he can't even say "it's just teething issues" because that shows a crack in the defences.Philip_Thompson said:
Because "horrors" aren't happening.RochdalePioneers said:
Some consistency would be helpful. If the massive upheavals to the economy and the shortages and the nuking of energy prices is all part of the glorious Brexit masterplan then why spend the previous weeks denying such horrors are happening?MarqueeMark said:Boris has a vision to sell. He will get on and sell it. Despite "teething troubles", he will say this is what we should have been doing these past 40 years.
And you know what? He'll be right.....
Even in his speech today there was no reference to it - surely it should be "you can't get fuel and thats a Good Thing because we are building back better pay and conditions for British truckers!
You can get fuel and were it not for a media-induced panic you always could.
You can get bacon and if a few pigs bred to be killed get killed it isn't the end of the world.
There's a big difference between going through teething issues in a transition to a better place, and going through abject horrors and misery.
All he can do is say it's all marvelous and exactly what we planned and isn't everything great. And hope his supporters don't notice.
And it has worked because of supporters like you in fact, Philip, who parrot the it's all marvelous line.0 -
WTF? Telling women to avoid Tinder? And not wear short skirts?tlg86 said:
Did they show her their warrant cards?TheScreamingEagles said:We might have to nuke The Met and start all over again.
A woman who was arrested at the Sarah Everard vigil says that about 50 police officers contacted her via a dating app, leaving her “terrified”.
The image of Patsy Stevenson, 28, being pinned to the floor by two male police officers on March 13, her hands held behind her back, was one of the defining images in criticism of how the vigil in Clapham Common was policed.
Stevenson said that officers approached her on Tinder after she was handcuffed at the vigil.
“They were all in uniform on their profiles or it said ‘I’m a police officer’,” she told the BBC.
“I do not understand why someone would do that. It is almost like an intimidation thing, saying ‘look we can see you’, and that, to me, is terrifying.
“They know what I went through and they know that I’m fearful of police and they’ve done that for a reason.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/woman-arrested-at-everard-vigil-says-officers-contacted-her-on-tinder-dating-app-mkvbj9xpp
I appreciate that this may sound like "women shouldn't go out dressed like that", but if you want to avoid weirdos and perverts, then I'd suggest avoiding Tinder.
They were obviously intimidating her and it is disgusting. But she should stay off Tinder.1 -
If they aren't happening why are the government saying (rightly) that they are happening as part of the plan?Philip_Thompson said:
Because "horrors" aren't happening.RochdalePioneers said:
Some consistency would be helpful. If the massive upheavals to the economy and the shortages and the nuking of energy prices is all part of the glorious Brexit masterplan then why spend the previous weeks denying such horrors are happening?MarqueeMark said:Boris has a vision to sell. He will get on and sell it. Despite "teething troubles", he will say this is what we should have been doing these past 40 years.
And you know what? He'll be right.....
Even in his speech today there was no reference to it - surely it should be "you can't get fuel and thats a Good Thing because we are building back better pay and conditions for British truckers!
You can get fuel and were it not for a media-induced panic you always could.
You can get bacon and if a few pigs bred to be killed get killed it isn't the end of the world.
There's a big difference between going through teething issues in a transition to a better place, and going through abject horrors and misery.0 -
Charisma trumps all. Trump himself, Arnie, Reagan, and now Boris all learned their craft on the small or big screen.Leon said:
But Boris has already shown he can survive bad times. The UKG fucked up early covid, didn’t close the borders in time, killed people in care homes. Disgraceful. We also had the worst economic slump in the G7. Meanwhile Brexit has been endless ear-ache and people have been queuing hours for petrol (a crisis which severely dented ‘Teflon’ Tony Blair)Stuartinromford said:
And that's the point.Leon said:
Yes, and by me, amongst others. I thought - and said here - Starmer did pretty well. He’s not a great orator, he’s lacking in humour, but he came across as decent, sincere (tho later on I recalled Starmer’s demand for a 2nd referendum so I resiled on that). Starmer also spoke far too long, and didn’t offer any detailkle4 said:Worth recalling that Starmer's speech was reasonably well received on here.
Boris gabbled his speech, he threw away good, funny, profound or important lines. Why does he do this? I think others are right: he’s used to addressing drunken dinners. His peroration was weak and, like Starmer, the speech lacked detail.
But Boris told a good and upbeat story (unlike Starmer), he made his audience, in the hall and at home, actually laugh. It’s pretty clear which party will be going home in better spirits, and which party is happier with its leader
The economy has to absolutely tank for Labour to have a chance of winning. That might happen, of course
If things are going well, any incumbent will look like a winner, even if they are an incoherent oaf.
When things go badly, that's when politicians earn their corn. People can read the polls of 2020 in different ways, but I think they show BoJo gradually spaffing away the bump he got as we all rallied round the flag at the start of the crisis.
And sunny optimism works brilliantly in sunny times. Try the same thing when lots of people are struggling, it makes you look a bit of a psycho. So the next election depends on what it always depended on- does Bozzanomics work?
Yet Boris sails serenely on. He is protected by the praetorian guard of Leave voters, but he also has some undefinable charisma which sustains him. He is a phenomenon. He’s also clearly regained his vim after his Covid infection
If he stays in office til the next GE he will be extremely hard to defeat - as things stand1 -
Judgment is correct in British English too, just less used. Sometimes both spellings are correct. https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/judgmentSunil_Prasannan said:
Nah, "judgment" is the Yank spelling.TheScreamingEagles said:Word of the day (again) is ‘ultracrepidarian’ (19th century): one who gives opinions and judgements on matters they know nothing about.
https://twitter.com/susie_dent/status/1445722553549561856
Disappointed she used judgement though rather than judgment.
https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/19/judgement/0 -
Tinder may or may not be a cesspool. Never even seen it.tlg86 said:
Did they show her their warrant cards?TheScreamingEagles said:We might have to nuke The Met and start all over again.
A woman who was arrested at the Sarah Everard vigil says that about 50 police officers contacted her via a dating app, leaving her “terrified”.
The image of Patsy Stevenson, 28, being pinned to the floor by two male police officers on March 13, her hands held behind her back, was one of the defining images in criticism of how the vigil in Clapham Common was policed.
Stevenson said that officers approached her on Tinder after she was handcuffed at the vigil.
“They were all in uniform on their profiles or it said ‘I’m a police officer’,” she told the BBC.
“I do not understand why someone would do that. It is almost like an intimidation thing, saying ‘look we can see you’, and that, to me, is terrifying.
“They know what I went through and they know that I’m fearful of police and they’ve done that for a reason.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/woman-arrested-at-everard-vigil-says-officers-contacted-her-on-tinder-dating-app-mkvbj9xpp
I appreciate that this may sound like "women shouldn't go out dressed like that", but if you want to avoid weirdos and perverts, then I'd suggest avoiding Tinder.
The policemen in question need slapping. With house bricks. Because they acted like stupid arseholes.
Just because a place is full of stupid arseholes being arseholes is no excuse for being an arsehole.1 -
Trump lost.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Charisma trumps all. Trump himself, Arnie, Reagan, and now Boris all learned their craft on the small or big screen.Leon said:
But Boris has already shown he can survive bad times. The UKG fucked up early covid, didn’t close the borders in time, killed people in care homes. Disgraceful. We also had the worst economic slump in the G7. Meanwhile Brexit has been endless ear-ache and people have been queuing hours for petrol (a crisis which severely dented ‘Teflon’ Tony Blair)Stuartinromford said:
And that's the point.Leon said:
Yes, and by me, amongst others. I thought - and said here - Starmer did pretty well. He’s not a great orator, he’s lacking in humour, but he came across as decent, sincere (tho later on I recalled Starmer’s demand for a 2nd referendum so I resiled on that). Starmer also spoke far too long, and didn’t offer any detailkle4 said:Worth recalling that Starmer's speech was reasonably well received on here.
Boris gabbled his speech, he threw away good, funny, profound or important lines. Why does he do this? I think others are right: he’s used to addressing drunken dinners. His peroration was weak and, like Starmer, the speech lacked detail.
But Boris told a good and upbeat story (unlike Starmer), he made his audience, in the hall and at home, actually laugh. It’s pretty clear which party will be going home in better spirits, and which party is happier with its leader
The economy has to absolutely tank for Labour to have a chance of winning. That might happen, of course
If things are going well, any incumbent will look like a winner, even if they are an incoherent oaf.
When things go badly, that's when politicians earn their corn. People can read the polls of 2020 in different ways, but I think they show BoJo gradually spaffing away the bump he got as we all rallied round the flag at the start of the crisis.
And sunny optimism works brilliantly in sunny times. Try the same thing when lots of people are struggling, it makes you look a bit of a psycho. So the next election depends on what it always depended on- does Bozzanomics work?
Yet Boris sails serenely on. He is protected by the praetorian guard of Leave voters, but he also has some undefinable charisma which sustains him. He is a phenomenon. He’s also clearly regained his vim after his Covid infection
If he stays in office til the next GE he will be extremely hard to defeat - as things stand1 -
Don't you understand the difference between "horrors" and "stresses and strains".RochdalePioneers said:
If they aren't happening why are the government saying (rightly) that they are happening as part of the plan?Philip_Thompson said:
Because "horrors" aren't happening.RochdalePioneers said:
Some consistency would be helpful. If the massive upheavals to the economy and the shortages and the nuking of energy prices is all part of the glorious Brexit masterplan then why spend the previous weeks denying such horrors are happening?MarqueeMark said:Boris has a vision to sell. He will get on and sell it. Despite "teething troubles", he will say this is what we should have been doing these past 40 years.
And you know what? He'll be right.....
Even in his speech today there was no reference to it - surely it should be "you can't get fuel and thats a Good Thing because we are building back better pay and conditions for British truckers!
You can get fuel and were it not for a media-induced panic you always could.
You can get bacon and if a few pigs bred to be killed get killed it isn't the end of the world.
There's a big difference between going through teething issues in a transition to a better place, and going through abject horrors and misery.
If you want to get fit and you choose to exercise then that stresses and strains your muscles, but it isn't a horror, nor is it the wrong thing to do.0 -
You're assuming that they are all actual policemen.TOPPING said:
WTF? Telling women to avoid Tinder? And not wear short skirts?tlg86 said:
Did they show her their warrant cards?TheScreamingEagles said:We might have to nuke The Met and start all over again.
A woman who was arrested at the Sarah Everard vigil says that about 50 police officers contacted her via a dating app, leaving her “terrified”.
The image of Patsy Stevenson, 28, being pinned to the floor by two male police officers on March 13, her hands held behind her back, was one of the defining images in criticism of how the vigil in Clapham Common was policed.
Stevenson said that officers approached her on Tinder after she was handcuffed at the vigil.
“They were all in uniform on their profiles or it said ‘I’m a police officer’,” she told the BBC.
“I do not understand why someone would do that. It is almost like an intimidation thing, saying ‘look we can see you’, and that, to me, is terrifying.
“They know what I went through and they know that I’m fearful of police and they’ve done that for a reason.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/woman-arrested-at-everard-vigil-says-officers-contacted-her-on-tinder-dating-app-mkvbj9xpp
I appreciate that this may sound like "women shouldn't go out dressed like that", but if you want to avoid weirdos and perverts, then I'd suggest avoiding Tinder.
They were obviously intimidating her and it is disgusting. But she should stay off Tinder.1 -
Yes. What's remarkable is this new line has only really been settled on in the past fortnight.TOPPING said:
The problem for Boris - for any politician, but especially for the PM - is that he can't even say "it's just teething issues" because that shows a crack in the defences.Philip_Thompson said:
Because "horrors" aren't happening.RochdalePioneers said:
Some consistency would be helpful. If the massive upheavals to the economy and the shortages and the nuking of energy prices is all part of the glorious Brexit masterplan then why spend the previous weeks denying such horrors are happening?MarqueeMark said:Boris has a vision to sell. He will get on and sell it. Despite "teething troubles", he will say this is what we should have been doing these past 40 years.
And you know what? He'll be right.....
Even in his speech today there was no reference to it - surely it should be "you can't get fuel and thats a Good Thing because we are building back better pay and conditions for British truckers!
You can get fuel and were it not for a media-induced panic you always could.
You can get bacon and if a few pigs bred to be killed get killed it isn't the end of the world.
There's a big difference between going through teething issues in a transition to a better place, and going through abject horrors and misery.
All he can do is say it's all marvelous and exactly what we planned and isn't everything great. And hope his supporters don't notice.
And it has worked because of supporters like you in fact, Philip, who parrot the it's all marvelous line.
It is only days since there were no issues at all, whatsoever, with Brexit, according to the Daily Express wing, at least.2 -
I wondered what an "upbeat demeaner" is. Presumably someone who demeans people, but in an upbeat way. Maybe as in letter-boxes and tank-topped bumboys.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't think there are any scales on the voters eyes. People know exactly who and what Boris is.Gardenwalker said:
We’ve had two years of Boris-ism, though, and 40% either haven’t figured it out or have, but don’t care.Wulfrun_Phil said:There's an assumption in all the commentary that Johnson means what he says and, if so, is also capable of delivering it. In practice, I don't believe a word he says. Too often he claims to be doing one thing only to mask the fact that he's doing the opposite. I think that in time more will come to see that, and opinions of him will shift further for the worse.
As others say, only an economic downturn is likely to knock the scales from the voters’ eyes.
And even then, Keir is not much use and not very ornamental.
They're just OK with it. As long as things are going well, they are happy with the upbeat demeaner even if it irritates others and even if its not always serious.
People don't want dour and serious and negative all the time. If they did, they'd have elected Brown not Cameron.3 -
It flashed up on my work server as a serious incident (Red 8) with the potential for massive financial security risk for users and the company.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Passwords not leaked yet apparently. Twitch users should read this and do what it and @TheScreamingEagles say, and also pay their taxes.TheScreamingEagles said:Crikey, the entirety of Twitch got hacked/leaked.
If you use that, change your password ASAP.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/6/22712250/twitch-hack-leak-data-streamer-revenue-steam-competitor
At work, Red 8 is also known as the stepmom, that's how bad it is.0 -
That's the question the graphs don't let us answer...yet.Leon said:
But Boris has already shown he can survive bad times. The UKG fucked up early covid, didn’t close the borders in time, killed people in care homes. Disgraceful. We also had the worst economic slump in the G7. Meanwhile Brexit has been endless ear-ache and people have been queuing hours for petrol (a crisis which severely dented ‘Teflon’ Tony Blair)Stuartinromford said:
And that's the point.Leon said:
Yes, and by me, amongst others. I thought - and said here - Starmer did pretty well. He’s not a great orator, he’s lacking in humour, but he came across as decent, sincere (tho later on I recalled Starmer’s demand for a 2nd referendum so I resiled on that). Starmer also spoke far too long, and didn’t offer any detailkle4 said:Worth recalling that Starmer's speech was reasonably well received on here.
Boris gabbled his speech, he threw away good, funny, profound or important lines. Why does he do this? I think others are right: he’s used to addressing drunken dinners. His peroration was weak and, like Starmer, the speech lacked detail.
But Boris told a good and upbeat story (unlike Starmer), he made his audience, in the hall and at home, actually laugh. It’s pretty clear which party will be going home in better spirits, and which party is happier with its leader
The economy has to absolutely tank for Labour to have a chance of winning. That might happen, of course
If things are going well, any incumbent will look like a winner, even if they are an incoherent oaf.
When things go badly, that's when politicians earn their corn. People can read the polls of 2020 in different ways, but I think they show BoJo gradually spaffing away the bump he got as we all rallied round the flag at the start of the crisis.
And sunny optimism works brilliantly in sunny times. Try the same thing when lots of people are struggling, it makes you look a bit of a psycho. So the next election depends on what it always depended on- does Bozzanomics work?
Yet Boris sails serenely on. He is protected by the praetorian guard of Leave voters, but he also has some undefinable charisma which sustains him. He is a phenomenon. He’s also clearly regained his vim after his Covid infection
If he stays in office til the next GE he will be extremely hard to defeat - as things stand
One reading is they, yes, is damn hard for an opponent to beat, and most PMs would kill for his ratings.
The other is that he was heading for the rocks last November, only to be saved by the vaccines. And now he is drifting in the same direction.1 -
I'm a freethinker, if I say something its because its what I think.TOPPING said:
The problem for Boris - for any politician, but especially for the PM - is that he can't even say "it's just teething issues" because that shows a crack in the defences.Philip_Thompson said:
Because "horrors" aren't happening.RochdalePioneers said:
Some consistency would be helpful. If the massive upheavals to the economy and the shortages and the nuking of energy prices is all part of the glorious Brexit masterplan then why spend the previous weeks denying such horrors are happening?MarqueeMark said:Boris has a vision to sell. He will get on and sell it. Despite "teething troubles", he will say this is what we should have been doing these past 40 years.
And you know what? He'll be right.....
Even in his speech today there was no reference to it - surely it should be "you can't get fuel and thats a Good Thing because we are building back better pay and conditions for British truckers!
You can get fuel and were it not for a media-induced panic you always could.
You can get bacon and if a few pigs bred to be killed get killed it isn't the end of the world.
There's a big difference between going through teething issues in a transition to a better place, and going through abject horrors and misery.
All he can do is say it's all marvelous and exactly what we planned and isn't everything great. And hope his supporters don't notice.
And it has worked because of supporters like you in fact, Philip, who parrot the it's all marvelous line.
I say that full employment, growing wages, improving productivity, a growing economy and opportunities for people is a good thing not because its a 'line to take' but because I think that full employment, growing wages, improving productivity, a growing economy and opportunities for people is a good thing.0 -
Judgment goes back as far as the 1500/1600s in the English legal system.DecrepiterJohnL said:
And lawyers' spelling. At least, that is what I remember from the last time it came up here. Judges issue judgments.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Nah, "judgment" is the Yank spelling.TheScreamingEagles said:Word of the day (again) is ‘ultracrepidarian’ (19th century): one who gives opinions and judgements on matters they know nothing about.
https://twitter.com/susie_dent/status/1445722553549561856
Disappointed she used judgement though rather than judgment.
https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/19/judgement/1 -
The parallels with cult psychology are fascinating.TOPPING said:
The problem for Boris - for any politician, but especially for the PM - is that he can't even say "it's just teething issues" because that shows a crack in the defences.Philip_Thompson said:
Because "horrors" aren't happening.RochdalePioneers said:
Some consistency would be helpful. If the massive upheavals to the economy and the shortages and the nuking of energy prices is all part of the glorious Brexit masterplan then why spend the previous weeks denying such horrors are happening?MarqueeMark said:Boris has a vision to sell. He will get on and sell it. Despite "teething troubles", he will say this is what we should have been doing these past 40 years.
And you know what? He'll be right.....
Even in his speech today there was no reference to it - surely it should be "you can't get fuel and thats a Good Thing because we are building back better pay and conditions for British truckers!
You can get fuel and were it not for a media-induced panic you always could.
You can get bacon and if a few pigs bred to be killed get killed it isn't the end of the world.
There's a big difference between going through teething issues in a transition to a better place, and going through abject horrors and misery.
All he can do is say it's all marvelous and exactly what we planned and isn't everything great. And hope his supporters don't notice.
And it has worked because of supporters like you in fact, Philip, who parrot the it's all marvelous line.
True believers like Marquee Mark are simultaneously able to believe there are no problems with the British economy, and that the problems are an inevitable and much-welcomed transition to paradise.
It’s a psychologist’s wet dream.2
