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    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    Oh man the three Hobbit movies were the worst. So much unnecessary filler content that wasn't in the damn book. One 2 hour film would have been perfect for a short book, Peter Jackson should only be given deals without final edit rights.
    The Hobbit was 3 movies long?!
    Which is extraordinary when you consider how short hobbits are :smile:
    The idea Fellowship or Return of the King should be 1 movie, but the Hobbit should be 3, was purely preposterous.

    It was profiteering, not justified.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,334
    kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    IDS has been assaulted at the Tory conference.

    'Iain Duncan Smith, the former leader of the Conservative party, has been assaulted by a group of men on his route to an event at the Mercure hotel.

    Duncan Smith arrived at a Brexit panel with Cabinet office minister Lord Frost, only to disappear midway through to discuss the incident with a police officer who took a statement from him. Speaking afterwards, he told Steerpike that he was pursued down the road from the Midland hotel to the Mercure by several men, one of whom threw a traffic cone which hit him on the head.'

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1445066055366418445?s=20
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/iain-duncan-smith-assaulted-at-tory-conference

    I did not laugh when I read that. No, sirree. Nobody, irrespective of political affiliation, could fail to be appalled by this outrageous HAHAHAHAHAHA

    Traffic cone. Head. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    I'm afraid I'm now thinking of IDS running down the street with a traffic cone ON his head.
    Yes it's bloody funny isn't it a politician being assaulted.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Torsten Bell
    @TorstenBell
    Where will the reduction in migration be felt beyond HGV drivers? Here's the top 20 jobs where firms CAN'T bring workers in via the new skilled visa route, the share of workers from EU is high and they churn quite quickly

    https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1445055161584558098

    ===

    Not looking good for rubber processing. And we may have to wash our own cars. Lordy, whatever next.

    British waiters and waitresses instead of pretty Eastern European girls?
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,234
    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    IDS has been assaulted at the Tory conference.

    'Iain Duncan Smith, the former leader of the Conservative party, has been assaulted by a group of men on his route to an event at the Mercure hotel.

    Duncan Smith arrived at a Brexit panel with Cabinet office minister Lord Frost, only to disappear midway through to discuss the incident with a police officer who took a statement from him. Speaking afterwards, he told Steerpike that he was pursued down the road from the Midland hotel to the Mercure by several men, one of whom threw a traffic cone which hit him on the head.'

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1445066055366418445?s=20
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/iain-duncan-smith-assaulted-at-tory-conference

    I did not laugh when I read that. No, sirree. Nobody, irrespective of political affiliation, could fail to be appalled by this outrageous HAHAHAHAHAHA

    Traffic cone. Head. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    Iain Duncan Smith may be an odious human being, but no one deserves to be beaten to a pulp on the mean streets of Manchester.

    And I do mean all of that.
    The implication of the final four words is that it would have been perfectly acceptable had it taken place in Albert Square.
    Or on any street in the city of Pedantry.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,303

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    IDS has been assaulted at the Tory conference.

    'Iain Duncan Smith, the former leader of the Conservative party, has been assaulted by a group of men on his route to an event at the Mercure hotel.

    Duncan Smith arrived at a Brexit panel with Cabinet office minister Lord Frost, only to disappear midway through to discuss the incident with a police officer who took a statement from him. Speaking afterwards, he told Steerpike that he was pursued down the road from the Midland hotel to the Mercure by several men, one of whom threw a traffic cone which hit him on the head.'

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1445066055366418445?s=20
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/iain-duncan-smith-assaulted-at-tory-conference

    I did not laugh when I read that. No, sirree. Nobody, irrespective of political affiliation, could fail to be appalled by this outrageous HAHAHAHAHAHA

    Traffic cone. Head. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    Iain Duncan Smith may be an odious human being, but no one deserves to be beaten to a pulp on the mean streets of Manchester.

    And I do mean all of that.
    The implication of the final four words is that it would have been perfectly acceptable had it taken place in Albert Square.
    Or on any street in the city of Pedantry.
    Politicians are assaulted with pedantry, not in Pedantry.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I think you either need a bigger bladder or a bigger soul. :smile:

    The Director's cuts of the Lord of The Rings are far better than the shorter cinema releases. I am more than happy to watch a film that is 3 or 4 hours long.

    That’s setting a low bar given how bad the original cinema releases were.

    And The Two Towers is still bloody awful whichever version you watch.
    As depraved an opinion as an Uruk-hai.
    Indeed, only an ignorant shelob would say such a thing.

    I believe so firmly in the film/book exclusionary principle, that I can't be bothered even to try watching any of these movifications.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,303
    Taz said:
    That doesn’t look too good.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I think you either need a bigger bladder or a bigger soul. :smile:

    The Director's cuts of the Lord of The Rings are far better than the shorter cinema releases. I am more than happy to watch a film that is 3 or 4 hours long.

    This is good if you’ve not seen before

    https://bleedingcool.com/movies/napoleon-netflix-funds-restoration-of-abel-gances-1927-epic/
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,234
    Charles said:

    Torsten Bell
    @TorstenBell
    Where will the reduction in migration be felt beyond HGV drivers? Here's the top 20 jobs where firms CAN'T bring workers in via the new skilled visa route, the share of workers from EU is high and they churn quite quickly

    https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1445055161584558098

    ===

    Not looking good for rubber processing. And we may have to wash our own cars. Lordy, whatever next.

    British waiters and waitresses instead of pretty Eastern European girls?
    You've travelled the world. Outside of New York, where in Europe or North America have you experienced worse service than back in Blighty? And not from European staff.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,041
    This is explosive. Basically, the protocol is a threat to unionism. Moves to dismantle it are nothing to do with people’s welfare or trade. They’re purely political. Basically, NI must become as badly affected as the rest of the UK, or it serves as a comparator to Brexit failure. https://twitter.com/bestforbritain/status/1445058698380992517
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,858
    edited October 2021
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    There’s no accounting for taste.

    From a critical perspective, as far as I can tell the esteem for the Beatles (with able support from George Martin) as songwriters and record makers, has only grown and grown since 1970.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Fishing said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    I'm still on my Xiaomi Poco F1 (h/t Mike) bought for £220 a couple of years ago. Jettisoned Apple and embraced Android. It's fantastic.

    Fast plenty of storage I was actually looking at the next one for an upgrade but really don't need it.

    I said the other day that in the next few years UK banking apps will not be available on Chinese phones.

    I wouldn't be shocked to see them banned in their entirety.
    I agree. Banking apps are hideous.
    Dealing with someone in a call centre who barely speaks English is sometimes even worse.
    What’s a “call centre”?

    😉
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 20,022
    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    (Ironic, given the reviews of Venom 2 have been dreadful, and those of NTTD have been... mixed.)
    No Time To Die is bound to divide opinion, just as OHMSS did all those years ago.

    But, it’s fantastic in my view.
    OHMSS has got better over the years. It's now in my Bond top 5. I have at least one in my top 5 for every bond bar Niven, Dalton, and Brosnan. I have 2 Conneries, a Moore, a Lazenby and a Craig. Talk about a person - me - who is very balanced and unprejudiced.
    My top five (probably - Skyfall and Daylights are in there sometimes)

    Time
    Casino
    Goldfinger
    Spy
    Majesty
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,205
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:
    That doesn’t look too good.
    Many businesses rely on Facebook as a route to market too. Small businesses. It’s going to hit them too,
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,330

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Been watching 'Midnight Mass' on Netflix. It's ok, but it feels like it switches tone halfway through from creepy to campy.

    I started watching the first 20 mins and it looked brilliant, then Mrs Walker realised it was a horror and threw her toys out.

    Yes, I’ve read that it disappoints, as so many things do!

    Everyone’s watching Squid Game now so that needs to be the focus.
    I'm not usually a horror guy, quite the opposite actually, so I kind of don't mind that it changes tack so much. It does feel like switching from The Conjuring to The Strain part way through though.
    I’ve not heard of the conjuring or the strain.

    I think true horror is the hardest thing to do. Harder even than comedy.

    I can hardly think of any truly scary movies.
    I always go back to “The Shining”.
    The Exorcist, by far. It is possibly the best movie ever made, let alone the best horror movie

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    TazTaz Posts: 11,205
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Been watching 'Midnight Mass' on Netflix. It's ok, but it feels like it switches tone halfway through from creepy to campy.

    I started watching the first 20 mins and it looked brilliant, then Mrs Walker realised it was a horror and threw her toys out.

    Yes, I’ve read that it disappoints, as so many things do!

    Everyone’s watching Squid Game now so that needs to be the focus.
    I'm not usually a horror guy, quite the opposite actually, so I kind of don't mind that it changes tack so much. It does feel like switching from The Conjuring to The Strain part way through though.
    I’ve not heard of the conjuring or the strain.

    I think true horror is the hardest thing to do. Harder even than comedy.

    I can hardly think of any truly scary movies.
    I always go back to “The Shining”.
    The Exorcist, by far. It is possibly the best movie ever made, let alone the best horror movie

    I tend to prefer the camp horror of the amicus and hammer films but the film Audition I found genuinely disturbing.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,205

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    (Ironic, given the reviews of Venom 2 have been dreadful, and those of NTTD have been... mixed.)
    No Time To Die is bound to divide opinion, just as OHMSS did all those years ago.

    But, it’s fantastic in my view.
    OHMSS has got better over the years. It's now in my Bond top 5. I have at least one in my top 5 for every bond bar Niven, Dalton, and Brosnan. I have 2 Conneries, a Moore, a Lazenby and a Craig. Talk about a person - me - who is very balanced and unprejudiced.
    My top five (probably - Skyfall and Daylights are in there sometimes)

    Time
    Casino
    Goldfinger
    Spy
    Majesty
    Moonraker is a favourite of mine. Love the pre title sequence.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,637
    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    (Ironic, given the reviews of Venom 2 have been dreadful, and those of NTTD have been... mixed.)
    No Time To Die is bound to divide opinion, just as OHMSS did all those years ago.

    But, it’s fantastic in my view.
    OHMSS has got better over the years. It's now in my Bond top 5. I have at least one in my top 5 for every bond bar Niven, Dalton, and Brosnan. I have 2 Conneries, a Moore, a Lazenby and a Craig. Talk about a person - me - who is very balanced and unprejudiced.
    OHMSS has, IMO, the best theme music of any Bond film.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,334
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Been watching 'Midnight Mass' on Netflix. It's ok, but it feels like it switches tone halfway through from creepy to campy.

    I started watching the first 20 mins and it looked brilliant, then Mrs Walker realised it was a horror and threw her toys out.

    Yes, I’ve read that it disappoints, as so many things do!

    Everyone’s watching Squid Game now so that needs to be the focus.
    I'm not usually a horror guy, quite the opposite actually, so I kind of don't mind that it changes tack so much. It does feel like switching from The Conjuring to The Strain part way through though.
    I’ve not heard of the conjuring or the strain.

    I think true horror is the hardest thing to do. Harder even than comedy.

    I can hardly think of any truly scary movies.
    I always go back to “The Shining”.
    The Exorcist, by far. It is possibly the best movie ever made, let alone the best horror movie

    Isn't Babadook a very good recent example of the genre.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 20,022
    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    (Ironic, given the reviews of Venom 2 have been dreadful, and those of NTTD have been... mixed.)
    No Time To Die is bound to divide opinion, just as OHMSS did all those years ago.

    But, it’s fantastic in my view.
    OHMSS has got better over the years. It's now in my Bond top 5. I have at least one in my top 5 for every bond bar Niven, Dalton, and Brosnan. I have 2 Conneries, a Moore, a Lazenby and a Craig. Talk about a person - me - who is very balanced and unprejudiced.
    My top five (probably - Skyfall and Daylights are in there sometimes)

    Time
    Casino
    Goldfinger
    Spy
    Majesty
    Moonraker is a favourite of mine. Love the pre title sequence.
    It has kitsch value. Jaws getting a girlfriend is hilarious, but ultimately it’s high camp rather than classic.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,556
    Fishing said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    I'm still on my Xiaomi Poco F1 (h/t Mike) bought for £220 a couple of years ago. Jettisoned Apple and embraced Android. It's fantastic.

    Fast plenty of storage I was actually looking at the next one for an upgrade but really don't need it.

    I said the other day that in the next few years UK banking apps will not be available on Chinese phones.

    I wouldn't be shocked to see them banned in their entirety.
    I agree. Banking apps are hideous.
    Dealing with someone in a call centre who barely speaks English is sometimes even worse.
    Now here's an idea. A branch network in each area where you can pop in and talk to a human being who speaks the same language as you and understands retail banking for ordinary people and wants to help. Why hasn't someone thought of that?

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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,041

    OHMSS has, IMO, the best theme music of any Bond film.

    The whole soundtrack is sublime.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,858

    Charles said:

    Torsten Bell
    @TorstenBell
    Where will the reduction in migration be felt beyond HGV drivers? Here's the top 20 jobs where firms CAN'T bring workers in via the new skilled visa route, the share of workers from EU is high and they churn quite quickly

    https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1445055161584558098

    ===

    Not looking good for rubber processing. And we may have to wash our own cars. Lordy, whatever next.

    British waiters and waitresses instead of pretty Eastern European girls?
    You've travelled the world. Outside of New York, where in Europe or North America have you experienced worse service than back in Blighty? And not from European staff.
    This is one of the reasons it’s not straightforward to simply replace foreigners with Brits.

    British-born service tends to be very poor.

    It must have something to do with the class system and/or the deeply entrenched low-skill culture of the British white working class.

    I guess it’s possible to improve with training.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    Torsten Bell
    @TorstenBell
    Where will the reduction in migration be felt beyond HGV drivers? Here's the top 20 jobs where firms CAN'T bring workers in via the new skilled visa route, the share of workers from EU is high and they churn quite quickly

    https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1445055161584558098

    ===

    Not looking good for rubber processing. And we may have to wash our own cars. Lordy, whatever next.

    British waiters and waitresses instead of pretty Eastern European girls?
    You've travelled the world. Outside of New York, where in Europe or North America have you experienced worse service than back in Blighty? And not from European staff.
    Nice
    St Joseph, MO
    Visbek

    Most of the service in the UK is pretty solid
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,205

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    (Ironic, given the reviews of Venom 2 have been dreadful, and those of NTTD have been... mixed.)
    No Time To Die is bound to divide opinion, just as OHMSS did all those years ago.

    But, it’s fantastic in my view.
    OHMSS has got better over the years. It's now in my Bond top 5. I have at least one in my top 5 for every bond bar Niven, Dalton, and Brosnan. I have 2 Conneries, a Moore, a Lazenby and a Craig. Talk about a person - me - who is very balanced and unprejudiced.
    My top five (probably - Skyfall and Daylights are in there sometimes)

    Time
    Casino
    Goldfinger
    Spy
    Majesty
    Moonraker is a favourite of mine. Love the pre title sequence.
    It has kitsch value. Jaws getting a girlfriend is hilarious, but ultimately it’s high camp rather than classic.
    Yeah, it is, you’re right. I like high camp and kitsch. Probably why I like Dr Who and Sixties horror movies.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:
    That doesn’t look too good.
    Nor too bad. UserID is the same as real world ID, cos facebook doesn't really work otherwise, and to 99.999999% of users their gender being disclosed to the world is unproblematic. And people diss FB by saying If it's free you are the product, but on the upside they don't know your bank or card details.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Scott_xP said:

    This is explosive. Basically, the protocol is a threat to unionism. Moves to dismantle it are nothing to do with people’s welfare or trade. They’re purely political. Basically, NI must become as badly affected as the rest of the UK, or it serves as a comparator to Brexit failure. https://twitter.com/bestforbritain/status/1445058698380992517

    No it’s because the EU has behaved exactly as we said they would with May’s deal - dragged their feet on a reasonable permanent solution.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,330
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
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    Scott_xP said:

    This is explosive. Basically, the protocol is a threat to unionism. Moves to dismantle it are nothing to do with people’s welfare or trade. They’re purely political. Basically, NI must become as badly affected as the rest of the UK, or it serves as a comparator to Brexit failure. https://twitter.com/bestforbritain/status/1445058698380992517

    Trust you to be quoting the driven mad by Brexit completely misnamed "Best for Britain".

    If the Protocol is causing Trade Diversion then that is proof it is NOT working, not that it is.

    Trade diversion is a trigger for Article 16. 🤦‍♂️
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    Fun Bond Fact - Bond has never been to Sweden or South Africa - surely a baddie could be found in SA and some cool bond girl in Sweden?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,303
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:
    That doesn’t look too good.
    Nor too bad. UserID is the same as real world ID, cos facebook doesn't really work otherwise, and to 99.999999% of users their gender being disclosed to the world is unproblematic. And people diss FB by saying If it's free you are the product, but on the upside they don't know your bank or card details.
    I’m not too thrilled at the idea of somebody buying my phone number.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,030
    5 people have now been arrested by GM police after the attack on IDS

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58787799
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    Torsten Bell
    @TorstenBell
    Where will the reduction in migration be felt beyond HGV drivers? Here's the top 20 jobs where firms CAN'T bring workers in via the new skilled visa route, the share of workers from EU is high and they churn quite quickly

    https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1445055161584558098

    ===

    Not looking good for rubber processing. And we may have to wash our own cars. Lordy, whatever next.

    British waiters and waitresses instead of pretty Eastern European girls?
    You've travelled the world. Outside of New York, where in Europe or North America have you experienced worse service than back in Blighty? And not from European staff.
    This is one of the reasons it’s not straightforward to simply replace foreigners with Brits.

    British-born service tends to be very poor.

    It must have something to do with the class system and/or the deeply entrenched low-skill culture of the British white working class.

    I guess it’s possible to improve with training.
    You have a low opinion of your adopted country folk
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,980
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:
    That doesn’t look too good.
    Nor too bad. UserID is the same as real world ID, cos facebook doesn't really work otherwise, and to 99.999999% of users their gender being disclosed to the world is unproblematic. And people diss FB by saying If it's free you are the product, but on the upside they don't know your bank or card details.
    A massive data breach would be a reason to shut the whole thing down temporarily.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,334
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:
    That doesn’t look too good.
    Nor too bad. UserID is the same as real world ID, cos facebook doesn't really work otherwise, and to 99.999999% of users their gender being disclosed to the world is unproblematic. And people diss FB by saying If it's free you are the product, but on the upside they don't know your bank or card details.
    A friend of mine used to be at CA said that people don't understand disclosure or availability of data.

    People know your birthday, your friends, where you went on holiday, what you had for breakfast = no problem.

    Bank account details, credit history, financial details = big problem.

    Whereas short of a hack the former is incredibly difficult to get hold of while the latter is available for a minimal fee.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    There’s no accounting for taste.

    From a critical perspective, as far as I can tell the esteem for the Beatles (with able support from George Martin) as songwriters and record makers, has only grown and grown since 1970.
    They are music for people who don't like music, and are not ashamed of the fact. They were looking merely iffy till the 90s when Oasis came along and beat the shit out of them at their own very limited game.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,330
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Been watching 'Midnight Mass' on Netflix. It's ok, but it feels like it switches tone halfway through from creepy to campy.

    I started watching the first 20 mins and it looked brilliant, then Mrs Walker realised it was a horror and threw her toys out.

    Yes, I’ve read that it disappoints, as so many things do!

    Everyone’s watching Squid Game now so that needs to be the focus.
    I'm not usually a horror guy, quite the opposite actually, so I kind of don't mind that it changes tack so much. It does feel like switching from The Conjuring to The Strain part way through though.
    I’ve not heard of the conjuring or the strain.

    I think true horror is the hardest thing to do. Harder even than comedy.

    I can hardly think of any truly scary movies.
    I always go back to “The Shining”.
    The Exorcist, by far. It is possibly the best movie ever made, let alone the best horror movie

    Isn't Babadook a very good recent example of the genre.
    Quite good, but not really scary, not for me anyway

    Few movies have scared me Some that did: Texas Chainsaw. Blair Witch. The Haunting (the original, not the terrible remake)

    The Shining did not. It is an exquisite piece of cinema - brilliant Direction, superb performances - but it has never chilled me. I never feel like I want to look away. And the supernatural elements are kinda tacked on
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,041
    RobD said:

    A massive data breach would be a reason to shut the whole thing down temporarily.

    Was just on phone with someone who works for FB who described employees unable to enter buildings this morning to begin to evaluate extent of outage because their badges weren’t working to access doors.
    https://twitter.com/sheeraf/status/1445099150316503057
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    Scott_xP said:

    RobD said:

    A massive data breach would be a reason to shut the whole thing down temporarily.

    Was just on phone with someone who works for FB who described employees unable to enter buildings this morning to begin to evaluate extent of outage because their badges weren’t working to access doors.
    https://twitter.com/sheeraf/status/1445099150316503057
    you know Nick Clegg?
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,041
    I don't know if it is related to the Facebook woes, but refresh on this site is messed up right now
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,013
    I imagine the typical Gen Z's pop music knowledge begins with Queen and ABBA and skips a lot of the part after. Course, when I was a kid, the radio played 50s music for two hours on Sundays and everything before that was vanished from official memory.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,637
    It's at times like this that I am reminded why I don't use social media.



    It's because I'm an antisocial fecker.
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    Scott_xP said:

    I don't know if it is related to the Facebook woes, but refresh on this site is messed up right now

    That's just normal.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,013
    edited October 2021
    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    IIRC, Yellow Submarine (the album) contains one of the Beatles very best tracks: Hey Bulldog.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,303

    Fun Bond Fact - Bond has never been to Sweden or South Africa - surely a baddie could be found in SA and some cool bond girl in Sweden?

    There’s Norway he’ll go to Sweden, as he’d end up being Finnished.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,041
    This is what happens when Facebook drops off the Internet

    https://gfycat.com/flashyunkemptcottonmouth
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,330
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    There’s no accounting for taste.

    From a critical perspective, as far as I can tell the esteem for the Beatles (with able support from George Martin) as songwriters and record makers, has only grown and grown since 1970.
    They are music for people who don't like music, and are not ashamed of the fact. They were looking merely iffy till the 90s when Oasis came along and beat the shit out of them at their own very limited game.
    Oasis????

    Are you drunk? Or trolling?


    Oasis even tried to rip off Beatles lyrics, but just wrote comic gibberish:

    From Be Here Now:

    "I got something in my shoes, it's keeping me from walking down the long and winding road and back home to you"

    Thanks for that, Noel

    Or:

    "Sitting upside a high chair, the devil's refugee is gonna be blinded by the light that follows me"

    Oh Lord
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,251

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    (Ironic, given the reviews of Venom 2 have been dreadful, and those of NTTD have been... mixed.)
    No Time To Die is bound to divide opinion, just as OHMSS did all those years ago.

    But, it’s fantastic in my view.
    OHMSS has got better over the years. It's now in my Bond top 5. I have at least one in my top 5 for every bond bar Niven, Dalton, and Brosnan. I have 2 Conneries, a Moore, a Lazenby and a Craig. Talk about a person - me - who is very balanced and unprejudiced.
    My top five (probably - Skyfall and Daylights are in there sometimes)

    Time
    Casino
    Goldfinger
    Spy
    Majesty
    Gosh we're close. I have Russia but if I see Time and it knocks it out we'd be a total and spooky match. Although it can't knock Russia out because Russia is my #1. It would probably knock Spy out leaving me Mooreless. Unless Live - Die not Twice - can go from bubbling under to a top 5 position. Which is not out of the question.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,234
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Torsten Bell
    @TorstenBell
    Where will the reduction in migration be felt beyond HGV drivers? Here's the top 20 jobs where firms CAN'T bring workers in via the new skilled visa route, the share of workers from EU is high and they churn quite quickly

    https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1445055161584558098

    ===

    Not looking good for rubber processing. And we may have to wash our own cars. Lordy, whatever next.

    British waiters and waitresses instead of pretty Eastern European girls?
    You've travelled the world. Outside of New York, where in Europe or North America have you experienced worse service than back in Blighty? And not from European staff.
    Nice
    St Joseph, MO
    Visbek

    Most of the service in the UK is pretty solid
    I can't believe you have had poor service in France, was it at an English pub in Nice?
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Other people experimented with them. There's more interesting stuff happening in Like a Rolling Stone than in everything the Beatles' sessions players did for them, put together.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,013
    Fun fact about Yellow Submarine:

    The album contains the track It's Only a Northern Song, written by George Harrison. For reasons only known to the band, it was released as (c) Northern Songs Ltd. Which caused issues later, when it was discovered that neither the Beatles, EMI or Apple Records actually owned Northern Song Ltd.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,172
    edited October 2021
    kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    IDS has been assaulted at the Tory conference.

    'Iain Duncan Smith, the former leader of the Conservative party, has been assaulted by a group of men on his route to an event at the Mercure hotel.

    Duncan Smith arrived at a Brexit panel with Cabinet office minister Lord Frost, only to disappear midway through to discuss the incident with a police officer who took a statement from him. Speaking afterwards, he told Steerpike that he was pursued down the road from the Midland hotel to the Mercure by several men, one of whom threw a traffic cone which hit him on the head.'

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1445066055366418445?s=20
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/iain-duncan-smith-assaulted-at-tory-conference

    I did not laugh when I read that. No, sirree. Nobody, irrespective of political affiliation, could fail to be appalled by this outrageous HAHAHAHAHAHA

    Traffic cone. Head. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    I'm afraid I'm now thinking of IDS running down the street with a traffic cone ON his head.
    Did he call the helpline?
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    SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,455

    Cookie said:

    kjh said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    FPT @Selebian. I think you're blind to the issue here - I'll highlight two main points the article makes:

    (1) "In a recent report on academic freedom in the U.S., the U.K., and Canada for the Center for the Study of Partisanship and Ideology, I found that 40 percent of American academics would not hire a known Trump supporter, and 33 percent of British academics would avoid hiring a known Brexit supporter. When it comes to refereeing papers, grant bids, and promotion applications, my own work and that of others indicates that the likelihood of an academic’s discriminating against an openly conservative submission is as high as 45 percent. On a four-person panel, that makes discrimination a near certainty."

    (2) "In the 1960s there were only one and a half journalists and academics on the left for every one on the right. Today that ratio is between four to one and six to one, and considerably higher among political journalists and social-science and humanities academics. In a report on academia for the Manhattan Institute, I noted that left-leaning social-science and humanities academics now outnumber those on the right in Britain by nine to one, and in the U.S. by 14 to one. Work by Mitchell Langbert using voter-registration data for the top liberal-arts colleges and universities (for five disciplines) also shows lopsided ratios. At Harvard, for instance, a recent inquiry reported a $250-to-$1 Democrat-to-Republican donation ratio among the staff."

    It's not enough for there to be "legal" protections - hard to access, prove and leverage - because an institutional culture of intolerance creates an environment that is suffocating to those already employed and inhibits any future recruitment to correct it. This means even fewer conservatives apply in the first place and thus reinforces a monoculture.

    Those that are employed (like my friend at the University of Bath, for example, or me at the Woke firm I've just left) "fear losing (their) job or missing out on job opportunities if (their) political views became known.” And so, as in authoritarian regimes, dissenters keep their views to themselves through preference falsification. This has been precisely my experience.

    It's a problem for all of us because these institutions form a large part of our civic society - arbitrating between the citizen and the state - and thus contributes to polarisation within it.

    It needs to be addressed.

    The website would only let me read the opening few paragraphs of the article, sadly, but the overall tone struck me as dishonest. It started with this dramatic statistic from the dating site, then extrapolated this to discrimination in hiring, despite these being completely different and indeed unrelated things (for instance, I wouldn't date a man but I would hire one).
    In my own field of economics there is a range of political views. In academia there is a left wing skew, in markets there is a right wing skew. This seems entirely understandable when you think of the likely difference in motivations and values between the two industries. Academia has got more left wing over the years, but then it has also become much worse paid, in relative terms, and those facts are probably related (we might argue over the direction of causation!). As a left wing person working in the markets I don't complain about the dearth of ideological soulmates, I don't know why right wing academics are so snowflakey about it.
    I have collaborated in academic research with people of various political stripes including Conservative US Republicans. In my experience, research with a clear ideological skew, left or right, is most likely bad research. The goal should be uncovering the truth, not advancing an agenda. Of course, if I were an ideological hack flogging policy-based evidence-making I might feel like I was getting discriminated when my research got rejected by top journals - but the likelihood is that the research was just bad.
    I do recall attending a very right-leaning conference where there was a lot of moaning about the Liberal bias in US academia, but the conference was lavishly funded by Conservative benefactors and hosted at a top Ivy League school so the whole complaint rang a little hollow to me. It had a strong whiff of privileges being defended.
    There's some good points in here - including your admirable acknowledgement that research with a clear ideological skew is poor research - but why is your first instinct to attack Eric Kauffman's honesty?

    He's a respected Canadian Academic (of mixed Chinese, Hispanic and European ancestry) working in a British university. He cited a variety of studies in making his points, and they're all respectable ones.

    We need to get past the ad hominum into the specifics. Far too many of the responses to articles like this run along the lines of "he's making it up" and "I don't see any of this, so it can't be true".

    What I'm interested in is everyone feeling able and willing to discuss their views and differences openly. That has to start with less prejudgement, more listening, and more forgiveness, and it's that I'm interested in.

    It's the only way to confine polarisation to the fringes where it belongs, rather than it being part of the mainstream, and we have to work harder and harder at it in the social media age, not less.
    All great points but I think you cut too much slack to Trumpery. It shouldn't be viewed like, say, being a Tory, a Brexiter, a social democrat, a "classic liberal", a small state libertarian, or whatever. He's a hate monger and those who lap that up can't expect it not to be held against them by those who don't.
    I would judge Trump very differently from one of his voters, who include plenty of ordinary Americans, and give them the benefit of the doubt.
    Of course lots of decent people voted for him. This must be the case given the numbers. Nevertheless he has colonized the Republican party, which is both chastening and frightening to somebody like me who takes a broadly sunny-side-up view of humanity, so I'm afraid I'm the other way around to you in that I'd be a touch wary of a person who I know voted for him until I get some evidence they did it reluctantly and despite the hate he throws out and for want of (in their eyes) a viable alternative. Pls note I do NOT feel this way about Leavers and Tories etc. It's a Trump thing.
    So, in your eyes they are guilty until proven innocent?

    Charming.

    The reason you might not feel that way about Leavers and Tories is because you've been engaging with so many of us on here for so long that you realise the world isn't that simple.

    That's precisely my point.
    From my point of view I can see rational reasons for voting Tory and although many who voted leave I think did so for irrational* reasons, there are clearly many who did for completely rational reasons.

    It is difficult to see any rational reason for voting for Trump, which is why the scale of his vote is so scary.


    * Two of my favourites from personal conversations were: There are too many 'coloureds' here already and the criminal gangs are all Albanian.
    If you were living in small town Hicksville, Flyover State in 2016, and had seen either a) your wages remain static since the previous century while the millionaires on the coast became billionaires, and/or b) the only major employer in your town decamp elsewhere while more and more of the stuff you used to make get imported from China and/or c) the social fabric of your town fraying, do you vote for a) more of the same, in the person and party of a candidate who appears to view you and your ilk as at best something of an embarrassment, or b) Trump? I don't like the man. But I can see why people voted for him.
    I actually understand voting for Trump more than voting for Brexit. In that the US in 2016 was clearly a broken society failing the majority of its citizens, as evident in phenomena like falling life expectancy and the opioid epidemic. I don't think the UK was experiencing the same level of political failure and social fracture before 2016. Although, interestingly, it seems to be now!
    I can understand someone voting Trump or Brexit.

    Doesn’t mean I want to employ, date, or consort with such.
    It's interesting you say you wouldn't want to employ them, which is precisely the point I made on this thread and the previous thread that @Selebian said would never happen and I'd made up.
    Oh, Casino! That's a fairly good description of exactly what I did not say!

    I said a number of things:
    - American conservatives are snowflakes (not all, to be sure, but some)
    - The research I've seen on the terrible time right wing people have in academia is poor quality
    - In my experience, you would not have the necessary information to discriminate against conservatives or brexiters in employment decisions or funding applications
    - A larger number of left wing people in academia might be a combination of left and right wing people being different and pursuing different careers, perceptions (pushed by conservatives, that academia hates conservatives) and some reality
    - Anyone who would discriminate on politics should be sacked
    - My own experience is different to what is claimed, including one example where I pushed back on wokeness and was backed up by the department and HR

    I did not say there is definitively no discrimination and I did not speak beyond academia, indeed not even beyond UK academia.

    I want you to know that I fully respect your lived experience as a much put upon and despised conservative and the way it has ruined your career all the way to becoming I director (I think?). I hope you find a safeish place on PB. I do not want you cancelled :kissing_heart:
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,330

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Torsten Bell
    @TorstenBell
    Where will the reduction in migration be felt beyond HGV drivers? Here's the top 20 jobs where firms CAN'T bring workers in via the new skilled visa route, the share of workers from EU is high and they churn quite quickly

    https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1445055161584558098

    ===

    Not looking good for rubber processing. And we may have to wash our own cars. Lordy, whatever next.

    British waiters and waitresses instead of pretty Eastern European girls?
    You've travelled the world. Outside of New York, where in Europe or North America have you experienced worse service than back in Blighty? And not from European staff.
    Nice
    St Joseph, MO
    Visbek

    Most of the service in the UK is pretty solid
    I can't believe you have had poor service in France, was it at an English pub in Nice?
    Paris has some of the worst service in Europe. Madrid can be bad, likewise Barcelona, Venice

    Basically anywhere that gets ZILLIONS of tourists guaranteed (pre-Covid) tends to develop a contemptuous and dismissive attitude to customers. Who cares if these people are annoyed or dismayed, there will be another coach-load of Chinese tourists in a minute

    The food declines, similarly
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,330
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Other people experimented with them. There's more interesting stuff happening in Like a Rolling Stone than in everything the Beatles' sessions players did for them, put together.
    "Sitting upside a high chair, the devil's refugee is gonna be blinded by the light that follows me"



    that's what you like, that is

    lol
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,820
    edited October 2021
    The Beatles are good, and I'm able to accept they were revolutionary or whatever, but the worship some people have for their stuff is just another example of fanaticism being bloody weird. It's not enough that people like it, it must be raised high, and imitators denigrated.

    The Moody Blues on the other hand, now that was a band alright.
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775
    MattW said:

    Farooq said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Mastermind behind Insulate Britain eco-mob says he would have refused to move for crying woman trying to get to mother, 81, in hospital and would block an ambulance with dying patient inside after activists brought three London routes to standstill "

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

    I'm never one to support vigilante violence. But...
    but what?
    But if this continues with ER, who knows what will happen.

    If they continue to put the lives of vulnerable people at risk, then they will incite a riot, and they may just get one.
    Replace ER with IDS, and you get what's happened today in Manchester.
    And it's wrong.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,330
    If the Chinese invade Taiwan while social media is down, has it even really happened?

    Bit like the tree falling in the forest, unseen and unheard
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    rcs1000 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    IIRC, Yellow Submarine (the album) contains one of the Beatles very best tracks: Hey Bulldog.
    Thanks, that's 3 minutes 10 seconds of my life I won't get back.

    More interesting lyrically than musically, and the lyrics are

    You can talk to me
    If you feel loneleee
    Hey Bulldog
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775
    kle4 said:

    The Beatles are good, and I'm able to accept they were revolutionary or whatever, but the worship some people have for their stuff is just another example of fanaticism being bloody weird. It's not enough that people like it, it must be raised high, and imitators denigrated.

    The Moody Blues on the other hand, now that was a band alright.

    "I like all the bands. I've got a broad taste, you know, from the Britpop bands, like UB40, Def Leppard, right back to classic rock, like Wings."
    "Who's Wings?"
    "They're only the band The Beatles could have been."
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,013
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    kjh said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    FPT @Selebian. I think you're blind to the issue here - I'll highlight two main points the article makes:

    (1) "In a recent report on academic freedom in the U.S., the U.K., and Canada for the Center for the Study of Partisanship and Ideology, I found that 40 percent of American academics would not hire a known Trump supporter, and 33 percent of British academics would avoid hiring a known Brexit supporter. When it comes to refereeing papers, grant bids, and promotion applications, my own work and that of others indicates that the likelihood of an academic’s discriminating against an openly conservative submission is as high as 45 percent. On a four-person panel, that makes discrimination a near certainty."

    (2) "In the 1960s there were only one and a half journalists and academics on the left for every one on the right. Today that ratio is between four to one and six to one, and considerably higher among political journalists and social-science and humanities academics. In a report on academia for the Manhattan Institute, I noted that left-leaning social-science and humanities academics now outnumber those on the right in Britain by nine to one, and in the U.S. by 14 to one. Work by Mitchell Langbert using voter-registration data for the top liberal-arts colleges and universities (for five disciplines) also shows lopsided ratios. At Harvard, for instance, a recent inquiry reported a $250-to-$1 Democrat-to-Republican donation ratio among the staff."

    It's not enough for there to be "legal" protections - hard to access, prove and leverage - because an institutional culture of intolerance creates an environment that is suffocating to those already employed and inhibits any future recruitment to correct it. This means even fewer conservatives apply in the first place and thus reinforces a monoculture.

    Those that are employed (like my friend at the University of Bath, for example, or me at the Woke firm I've just left) "fear losing (their) job or missing out on job opportunities if (their) political views became known.” And so, as in authoritarian regimes, dissenters keep their views to themselves through preference falsification. This has been precisely my experience.

    It's a problem for all of us because these institutions form a large part of our civic society - arbitrating between the citizen and the state - and thus contributes to polarisation within it.

    It needs to be addressed.

    The website would only let me read the opening few paragraphs of the article, sadly, but the overall tone struck me as dishonest. It started with this dramatic statistic from the dating site, then extrapolated this to discrimination in hiring, despite these being completely different and indeed unrelated things (for instance, I wouldn't date a man but I would hire one).
    In my own field of economics there is a range of political views. In academia there is a left wing skew, in markets there is a right wing skew. This seems entirely understandable when you think of the likely difference in motivations and values between the two industries. Academia has got more left wing over the years, but then it has also become much worse paid, in relative terms, and those facts are probably related (we might argue over the direction of causation!). As a left wing person working in the markets I don't complain about the dearth of ideological soulmates, I don't know why right wing academics are so snowflakey about it.
    I have collaborated in academic research with people of various political stripes including Conservative US Republicans. In my experience, research with a clear ideological skew, left or right, is most likely bad research. The goal should be uncovering the truth, not advancing an agenda. Of course, if I were an ideological hack flogging policy-based evidence-making I might feel like I was getting discriminated when my research got rejected by top journals - but the likelihood is that the research was just bad.
    I do recall attending a very right-leaning conference where there was a lot of moaning about the Liberal bias in US academia, but the conference was lavishly funded by Conservative benefactors and hosted at a top Ivy League school so the whole complaint rang a little hollow to me. It had a strong whiff of privileges being defended.
    There's some good points in here - including your admirable acknowledgement that research with a clear ideological skew is poor research - but why is your first instinct to attack Eric Kauffman's honesty?

    He's a respected Canadian Academic (of mixed Chinese, Hispanic and European ancestry) working in a British university. He cited a variety of studies in making his points, and they're all respectable ones.

    We need to get past the ad hominum into the specifics. Far too many of the responses to articles like this run along the lines of "he's making it up" and "I don't see any of this, so it can't be true".

    What I'm interested in is everyone feeling able and willing to discuss their views and differences openly. That has to start with less prejudgement, more listening, and more forgiveness, and it's that I'm interested in.

    It's the only way to confine polarisation to the fringes where it belongs, rather than it being part of the mainstream, and we have to work harder and harder at it in the social media age, not less.
    All great points but I think you cut too much slack to Trumpery. It shouldn't be viewed like, say, being a Tory, a Brexiter, a social democrat, a "classic liberal", a small state libertarian, or whatever. He's a hate monger and those who lap that up can't expect it not to be held against them by those who don't.
    I would judge Trump very differently from one of his voters, who include plenty of ordinary Americans, and give them the benefit of the doubt.
    Of course lots of decent people voted for him. This must be the case given the numbers. Nevertheless he has colonized the Republican party, which is both chastening and frightening to somebody like me who takes a broadly sunny-side-up view of humanity, so I'm afraid I'm the other way around to you in that I'd be a touch wary of a person who I know voted for him until I get some evidence they did it reluctantly and despite the hate he throws out and for want of (in their eyes) a viable alternative. Pls note I do NOT feel this way about Leavers and Tories etc. It's a Trump thing.
    So, in your eyes they are guilty until proven innocent?

    Charming.

    The reason you might not feel that way about Leavers and Tories is because you've been engaging with so many of us on here for so long that you realise the world isn't that simple.

    That's precisely my point.
    From my point of view I can see rational reasons for voting Tory and although many who voted leave I think did so for irrational* reasons, there are clearly many who did for completely rational reasons.

    It is difficult to see any rational reason for voting for Trump, which is why the scale of his vote is so scary.


    * Two of my favourites from personal conversations were: There are too many 'coloureds' here already and the criminal gangs are all Albanian.
    If you were living in small town Hicksville, Flyover State in 2016, and had seen either a) your wages remain static since the previous century while the millionaires on the coast became billionaires, and/or b) the only major employer in your town decamp elsewhere while more and more of the stuff you used to make get imported from China and/or c) the social fabric of your town fraying, do you vote for a) more of the same, in the person and party of a candidate who appears to view you and your ilk as at best something of an embarrassment, or b) Trump? I don't like the man. But I can see why people voted for him.
    I actually understand voting for Trump more than voting for Brexit. In that the US in 2016 was clearly a broken society failing the majority of its citizens, as evident in phenomena like falling life expectancy and the opioid epidemic. I don't think the UK was experiencing the same level of political failure and social fracture before 2016. Although, interestingly, it seems to be now!
    I can understand someone voting Trump or Brexit.

    Doesn’t mean I want to employ, date, or consort with such.
    It's interesting you say you wouldn't want to employ them, which is precisely the point I made on this thread and the previous thread that @Selebian said would never happen and I'd made up.
    Oh, Casino! That's a fairly good description of exactly what I did not say!

    I said a number of things:
    - American conservatives are snowflakes (not all, to be sure, but some)
    - The research I've seen on the terrible time right wing people have in academia is poor quality
    - In my experience, you would not have the necessary information to discriminate against conservatives or brexiters in employment decisions or funding applications
    - A larger number of left wing people in academia might be a combination of left and right wing people being different and pursuing different careers, perceptions (pushed by conservatives, that academia hates conservatives) and some reality
    - Anyone who would discriminate on politics should be sacked
    - My own experience is different to what is claimed, including one example where I pushed back on wokeness and was backed up by the department and HR

    I did not say there is definitively no discrimination and I did not speak beyond academia, indeed not even beyond UK academia.

    I want you to know that I fully respect your lived experience as a much put upon and despised conservative and the way it has ruined your career all the way to becoming I director (I think?). I hope you find a safeish place on PB. I do not want you cancelled :kissing_heart:
    On the last point, I've found the same. All it usually needs is for one person to say "enough" and suddenly the house of woke cars collapses. When I pointed out that the alignment groups were nothing more than company sponsored segregation by race suddenly all of those directors who were just going along with yet another American cultural import realised exactly what it was they were doing.

    That's what woke is, a house of cards which inevitably collapses.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    My point exactly.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,041
    rcs1000 said:

    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.

    The road to Hell is paved with good intentions...
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,303
    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    My point exactly.
    It was nice punning with you. Enjoy your future after you’ve been banned.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    HYUFD said:

    5 people have now been arrested by GM police after the attack on IDS

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58787799

    BBC:

    'Sir Iain Duncan Smith said he was walking to a meeting in Manchester city centre when a group of people called him "Tory scum" and tried to hit him with a traffic cone. '

    Mow where might they have got the idea of calling him 'scum' I wonder?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,930
    Lol Whatsapp down too.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,637
    Leon said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Torsten Bell
    @TorstenBell
    Where will the reduction in migration be felt beyond HGV drivers? Here's the top 20 jobs where firms CAN'T bring workers in via the new skilled visa route, the share of workers from EU is high and they churn quite quickly

    https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1445055161584558098

    ===

    Not looking good for rubber processing. And we may have to wash our own cars. Lordy, whatever next.

    British waiters and waitresses instead of pretty Eastern European girls?
    You've travelled the world. Outside of New York, where in Europe or North America have you experienced worse service than back in Blighty? And not from European staff.
    Nice
    St Joseph, MO
    Visbek

    Most of the service in the UK is pretty solid
    I can't believe you have had poor service in France, was it at an English pub in Nice?
    Paris has some of the worst service in Europe. Madrid can be bad, likewise Barcelona, Venice

    Basically anywhere that gets ZILLIONS of tourists guaranteed (pre-Covid) tends to develop a contemptuous and dismissive attitude to customers. Who cares if these people are annoyed or dismayed, there will be another coach-load of Chinese tourists in a minute

    The food declines, similarly
    Madrid. We sat down, waiter brought menus and bread. Twenty minutes later he hadn't returned so we left.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,081
    Pulpstar said:

    Lol Whatsapp down too.

    Been down since 4ish
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Farooq said:

    kle4 said:

    The Beatles are good, and I'm able to accept they were revolutionary or whatever, but the worship some people have for their stuff is just another example of fanaticism being bloody weird. It's not enough that people like it, it must be raised high, and imitators denigrated.

    The Moody Blues on the other hand, now that was a band alright.

    "I like all the bands. I've got a broad taste, you know, from the Britpop bands, like UB40, Def Leppard, right back to classic rock, like Wings."
    "Who's Wings?"
    "They're only the band The Beatles could have been."
    Very amusing, but he's not wrong. Band on the Run, Jet, C Moon, Venus and Mars, Rock Show are the Beatles, done right. The paradox is: also Mull of Kintyre, Ebony n Ivory, Silly Love Songs etc.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,599

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    Now banned. Offensive to French people.
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    TresTres Posts: 2,230
    felix said:

    HYUFD said:

    5 people have now been arrested by GM police after the attack on IDS

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58787799

    BBC:

    'Sir Iain Duncan Smith said he was walking to a meeting in Manchester city centre when a group of people called him "Tory scum" and tried to hit him with a traffic cone. '

    Mow where might they have got the idea of calling him 'scum' I wonder?
    The fact that he presided over the Department of Work and Pensions introducing changes to benefits that literally resulted in people starving to death?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Torsten Bell
    @TorstenBell
    Where will the reduction in migration be felt beyond HGV drivers? Here's the top 20 jobs where firms CAN'T bring workers in via the new skilled visa route, the share of workers from EU is high and they churn quite quickly

    https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1445055161584558098

    ===

    Not looking good for rubber processing. And we may have to wash our own cars. Lordy, whatever next.

    British waiters and waitresses instead of pretty Eastern European girls?
    You've travelled the world. Outside of New York, where in Europe or North America have you experienced worse service than back in Blighty? And not from European staff.
    Nice
    St Joseph, MO
    Visbek

    Most of the service in the UK is pretty solid
    I can't believe you have had poor service in France, was it at an English pub in Nice?
    You regularly get terrible service in France. Some great service too.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,599
    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    (Ironic, given the reviews of Venom 2 have been dreadful, and those of NTTD have been... mixed.)
    No Time To Die is bound to divide opinion, just as OHMSS did all those years ago.

    But, it’s fantastic in my view.
    OHMSS has got better over the years. It's now in my Bond top 5. I have at least one in my top 5 for every bond bar Niven, Dalton, and Brosnan. I have 2 Conneries, a Moore, a Lazenby and a Craig. Talk about a person - me - who is very balanced and unprejudiced.
    Who changed?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    Leon said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Torsten Bell
    @TorstenBell
    Where will the reduction in migration be felt beyond HGV drivers? Here's the top 20 jobs where firms CAN'T bring workers in via the new skilled visa route, the share of workers from EU is high and they churn quite quickly

    https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1445055161584558098

    ===

    Not looking good for rubber processing. And we may have to wash our own cars. Lordy, whatever next.

    British waiters and waitresses instead of pretty Eastern European girls?
    You've travelled the world. Outside of New York, where in Europe or North America have you experienced worse service than back in Blighty? And not from European staff.
    Nice
    St Joseph, MO
    Visbek

    Most of the service in the UK is pretty solid
    I can't believe you have had poor service in France, was it at an English pub in Nice?
    Paris has some of the worst service in Europe. Madrid can be bad, likewise Barcelona, Venice

    Basically anywhere that gets ZILLIONS of tourists guaranteed (pre-Covid) tends to develop a contemptuous and dismissive attitude to customers. Who cares if these people are annoyed or dismayed, there will be another coach-load of Chinese tourists in a minute

    The food declines, similarly
    Yes, anywhere that is highly dependent on passing trade tends to be pretty awful. The formula is always the same - do just enough to stay above 4/5 on Google reviews and TripAdvisor and most tourists aren't particularly discerning so 4/5 is pretty easy.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Fun fact about Yellow Submarine:

    The album contains the track It's Only a Northern Song, written by George Harrison. For reasons only known to the band, it was released as (c) Northern Songs Ltd. Which caused issues later, when it was discovered that neither the Beatles, EMI or Apple Records actually owned Northern Song Ltd.

    How did they resolve?
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 20,022
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    (Ironic, given the reviews of Venom 2 have been dreadful, and those of NTTD have been... mixed.)
    No Time To Die is bound to divide opinion, just as OHMSS did all those years ago.

    But, it’s fantastic in my view.
    OHMSS has got better over the years. It's now in my Bond top 5. I have at least one in my top 5 for every bond bar Niven, Dalton, and Brosnan. I have 2 Conneries, a Moore, a Lazenby and a Craig. Talk about a person - me - who is very balanced and unprejudiced.
    My top five (probably - Skyfall and Daylights are in there sometimes)

    Time
    Casino
    Goldfinger
    Spy
    Majesty
    Gosh we're close. I have Russia but if I see Time and it knocks it out we'd be a total and spooky match. Although it can't knock Russia out because Russia is my #1. It would probably knock Spy out leaving me Mooreless. Unless Live - Die not Twice - can go from bubbling under to a top 5 position. Which is not out of the question.
    LALD’s one-word code name has to be LET I think, to avoid confusion with TWICE
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Farooq said:

    MattW said:

    Farooq said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Mastermind behind Insulate Britain eco-mob says he would have refused to move for crying woman trying to get to mother, 81, in hospital and would block an ambulance with dying patient inside after activists brought three London routes to standstill "

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

    I'm never one to support vigilante violence. But...
    but what?
    But if this continues with ER, who knows what will happen.

    If they continue to put the lives of vulnerable people at risk, then they will incite a riot, and they may just get one.
    Replace ER with IDS, and you get what's happened today in Manchester.
    And it's wrong.
    I think you just scored the most misplaced like in PB history.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,082
    Leon said:

    If the Chinese invade Taiwan while social media is down, has it even really happened?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-04/taiwan-preparing-for-war-with-china/100511294

    Taiwan's Foreign Minister warns his nation is preparing for war with China and urges Australia to increase intelligence sharing and security cooperation as Beijing intensifies a campaign of military intimidation.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,330
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,668
    ping said:

    HYUFD said:

    @newtgingrich
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    With China sending 145 war planes over Taiwan air space(52 in one day) both the United States and Japan should send military advisory groups to review what weapons and support Taiwan would need to defeat a Chinese invasion or blockade. Equipment should follow on a rush basis.

    https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/1445071074207600655?s=20

    HYUFD said:

    @newtgingrich
    ·
    31s
    With China sending 145 war planes over Taiwan air space(52 in one day) both the United States and Japan should send military advisory groups to review what weapons and support Taiwan would need to defeat a Chinese invasion or blockade. Equipment should follow on a rush basis.

    https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/1445071074207600655?s=20

    What then?

    Is this a war we really want to fight?
    One we should wish to deter.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,205
    Farooq said:

    kle4 said:

    The Beatles are good, and I'm able to accept they were revolutionary or whatever, but the worship some people have for their stuff is just another example of fanaticism being bloody weird. It's not enough that people like it, it must be raised high, and imitators denigrated.

    The Moody Blues on the other hand, now that was a band alright.

    "I like all the bands. I've got a broad taste, you know, from the Britpop bands, like UB40, Def Leppard, right back to classic rock, like Wings."
    "Who's Wings?"
    "They're only the band The Beatles could have been."
    ‘Come back on ELO and carry on playing’.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,329
    Well, the grand tour by the Ls continues. Today we went from Oxford to the Harry Potter exhibition in Watford and then on to York. We filled up with fuel just where the M40 met the M25. Some of the pumps were dry but there was enough left to meet demand. It took about 15 minutes which is obviously a bit longer than normal because some of the pumps were not working but no big deal.

    Coming up the M1 and A1M there were a few service stations with no fuel, specifically no fuel for HGVs. To my surprise the midlands was worse than near London so we were glad we filled up when we did.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,599
    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    If Boris Johnson or Keir Starmer want my vote and thus a landslide at the next election then they will pass a law allowing drivers run over the insulate Britain types.

    I just interviewed Roger Hallam, co-founder of Extinction Rebellion.

    Discussing the incident of the Insulate Britain protesters blocking a woman in tears trying to get to a hospital - he says he’d do the same.

    … and he would block an ambulance.


    https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1445004052232867843

    In a way I respect him for admitting that. If you only think a mild disruption that doesn't do more than annoy some people is enough then perhaps the issue is not all that serious. "I'm prepared to contribute to people dying as a result of my actions" at least shows he probably believes in what he says, even if he's nutty.
    But the green lobby has won. Action is being taken. COP26 will speed that up. The govt does help to fund insulation. My walls had free cavity wall insulation thanks to the govt.

    The vast majority accept we need action.

    We are moving away from the petrol engine and the gas boiler. In ten years time these will be things of the past from the point of view of mass manufacture and purchase.

    XR are fanatics. You can never Appease fanatics.
    No you cannot. And by admitting he would contribute to people's deaths in pursuit of his aims, rather than attempt to sugarcoat it or pretend he thinks otherwise, people can see just how fanatical he is.
    Indeed, far better to let the cranks damn themselves with their words than just get into a slanging match with them.
    But you don't seem to be adequate even to a slanging match. We have a problem, yebbut we are doing something about it, is like Mr Creosote agreeing to switch to diet tonic with his gin. How difficult are concepts like sufficient and proportionate?
    You seem to have an assumption that little or nothing is being done, @IshmaelZ .

    Can you evidence that claim in the case of the UK?
    Well, what is being done? I'm still driving around in a diesel truck, and flying to Madeira in a couple of weeks for about half what it would have cost, in nominal never mind real terms, fifty years ago, and feeling no pain at all. Why are there no restrictions which I would notice even 5% as much as I have noticed covid restrictions?
    Question to answer a question :smile: Very Extinction Rebellion.

    I'll take that as a "Dunno !".

    (And refer you to the Climate Change Committee and EU data which shows a nearly 50% reduction in C02 here from 1990-2020, whilst the Brussels 27 are still arguing about achieving 55% by 2030.)
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    I had my first day back at work today, after a 550 day weekend so a bit of a shock to the system.

    Thanks to all of you who've been working hard and funding my furlough money. I feel a bit embarrassed to say it, but I've really enjoyed it. Money's been a bit tight, but it's still the best pay I've ever had for doing √fa
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,205

    Leon said:

    If the Chinese invade Taiwan while social media is down, has it even really happened?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-04/taiwan-preparing-for-war-with-china/100511294

    Taiwan's Foreign Minister warns his nation is preparing for war with China and urges Australia to increase intelligence sharing and security cooperation as Beijing intensifies a campaign of military intimidation.
    That will royally fuck the global chip supply market, if that happens.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,668
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    tlg86 said:

    Everything under the Facebook umbrella is down.

    No WhatsApp, no Insta, and no Facebook.

    How will the world cope?
    WhatsApp is my primary communication tool.
    I thought the FCA took a very dim view of regulated personnel using encrypted communication systems?
    They do.

    Work related WhatsApp messages are usually a variation of 'Read your fecking emails!'
    We don’t even allow WhatsApp in our sandbox
    I haven't played in a sandbox since I was five.
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    True enough, what you say there. Although 7 of your list are a totally mystery to me.
    I mainly know Norwegian Wood from the Cornershop cover, which I think it pretty good but will be obscure for most people.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,858
    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    kle4 said:

    The Beatles are good, and I'm able to accept they were revolutionary or whatever, but the worship some people have for their stuff is just another example of fanaticism being bloody weird. It's not enough that people like it, it must be raised high, and imitators denigrated.

    The Moody Blues on the other hand, now that was a band alright.

    "I like all the bands. I've got a broad taste, you know, from the Britpop bands, like UB40, Def Leppard, right back to classic rock, like Wings."
    "Who's Wings?"
    "They're only the band The Beatles could have been."
    Very amusing, but he's not wrong. Band on the Run, Jet, C Moon, Venus and Mars, Rock Show are the Beatles, done right. The paradox is: also Mull of Kintyre, Ebony n Ivory, Silly Love Songs etc.
    You have a remarkable knowledge of Wings for someone who thinks the Beatles were meh.

    C Moon was a b-side to a track that was banned by the BBC!

    I can only assume you’re a tedious troll in music, as you are in politics.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,599
    edited October 2021

    Scott_xP said:

    RobD said:

    A massive data breach would be a reason to shut the whole thing down temporarily.

    Was just on phone with someone who works for FB who described employees unable to enter buildings this morning to begin to evaluate extent of outage because their badges weren’t working to access doors.
    https://twitter.com/sheeraf/status/1445099150316503057
    you know Nick Clegg?
    He'll be singing for his supper this week.

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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,412
    My top six:

    The Living Daylights
    Casino Royale
    Goldeneye
    OHMSS
    Spy Who Loved Me
    Goldfinger

    Also, soft spots for Octopussy, For Your Eyes Only, Thunderball, From Russia with Love and Live and Let Die. A View to A Kill if only for Christopher Walken.

    Die Another Day and Diamonds are Forever are embarrassing.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    I had my first day back at work today, after a 550 day weekend so a bit of a shock to the system.

    Thanks to all of you who've been working hard and funding my furlough money. I feel a bit embarrassed to say it, but I've really enjoyed it. Money's been a bit tight, but it's still the best pay I've ever had for doing √fa

    What do you do, if you don’t mind me asking? Interesting to hear of someone with a job to go back to at the very end of furlough.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,708
    edited October 2021

    I had my first day back at work today, after a 550 day weekend so a bit of a shock to the system.

    Thanks to all of you who've been working hard and funding my furlough money. I feel a bit embarrassed to say it, but I've really enjoyed it. Money's been a bit tight, but it's still the best pay I've ever had for doing √fa

    Glad to hear you're back at work. We've not been funding it, the next few generations have (unwittingly).

    Do mind me asking what sector you are in?
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    I had my first day back at work today, after a 550 day weekend so a bit of a shock to the system.

    Thanks to all of you who've been working hard and funding my furlough money. I feel a bit embarrassed to say it, but I've really enjoyed it. Money's been a bit tight, but it's still the best pay I've ever had for doing √fa

    I've worked straight through the whole thing, and you're welcome. I don't begrudge some people having won the work lottery. Not that it's been easy on everyone in your situation. Welcome back.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    MattW said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    If Boris Johnson or Keir Starmer want my vote and thus a landslide at the next election then they will pass a law allowing drivers run over the insulate Britain types.

    I just interviewed Roger Hallam, co-founder of Extinction Rebellion.

    Discussing the incident of the Insulate Britain protesters blocking a woman in tears trying to get to a hospital - he says he’d do the same.

    … and he would block an ambulance.


    https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1445004052232867843

    In a way I respect him for admitting that. If you only think a mild disruption that doesn't do more than annoy some people is enough then perhaps the issue is not all that serious. "I'm prepared to contribute to people dying as a result of my actions" at least shows he probably believes in what he says, even if he's nutty.
    But the green lobby has won. Action is being taken. COP26 will speed that up. The govt does help to fund insulation. My walls had free cavity wall insulation thanks to the govt.

    The vast majority accept we need action.

    We are moving away from the petrol engine and the gas boiler. In ten years time these will be things of the past from the point of view of mass manufacture and purchase.

    XR are fanatics. You can never Appease fanatics.
    No you cannot. And by admitting he would contribute to people's deaths in pursuit of his aims, rather than attempt to sugarcoat it or pretend he thinks otherwise, people can see just how fanatical he is.
    Indeed, far better to let the cranks damn themselves with their words than just get into a slanging match with them.
    But you don't seem to be adequate even to a slanging match. We have a problem, yebbut we are doing something about it, is like Mr Creosote agreeing to switch to diet tonic with his gin. How difficult are concepts like sufficient and proportionate?
    You seem to have an assumption that little or nothing is being done, @IshmaelZ .

    Can you evidence that claim in the case of the UK?
    Well, what is being done? I'm still driving around in a diesel truck, and flying to Madeira in a couple of weeks for about half what it would have cost, in nominal never mind real terms, fifty years ago, and feeling no pain at all. Why are there no restrictions which I would notice even 5% as much as I have noticed covid restrictions?
    Question to answer a question :smile: Very Extinction Rebellion.

    I'll take that as a "Dunno !".

    (And refer you to the Climate Change Committee and EU data which shows a nearly 50% reduction in C02 here from 1990-2020, whilst the Brussels 27 are still arguing about achieving 55% by 2030.)
    Shit, it's taken you over an hour to come up with that non-answer?

    Allegans probare debet, which is Mandarin for, hard to prove a negative. My evidence is that I as a normal consumer have seen no notable changes to either my lifestyle, or the cost of it, related to carbon reduction. And surely even you can see that your claim of "nearly 50% reduction in C02 here from 1990-2020" is utterly meaningless without data as to how much of that is merely offset to other countries by reduction in our manufacturing without equivalent reduction in our consumption? Genuinely, how hard is that to understand?
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,330
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    True enough, what you say there. Although 7 of your list are a totally mystery to me.
    I mainly know Norwegian Wood from the Cornershop cover, which I think it pretty good but will be obscure for most people.
    Apparently Paul McCartney regards "Norwegian Wood" as the most perfect song he ever wrote. He penned it in about 5 minutes, complete. Like Mozart knocking out a sonata

    The Beatles are not my favourite band. That would probably be Led Zep. But I can acknowledge the scale of their achievement. They are to popular music was Picasso is to modern art. Just this great protean thing that overwhelms in the size and diversity of the creation, over time
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    edited October 2021

    My top six:

    The Living Daylights
    Casino Royale
    Goldeneye
    OHMSS
    Spy Who Loved Me
    Goldfinger

    Also, soft spots for Octopussy, For Your Eyes Only, Thunderball, From Russia with Love and Live and Let Die. A View to A Kill if only for Christopher Walken.

    Die Another Day and Diamonds are Forever are embarrassing.

    TMWTGG isn’t popular, but Christopher Lee was brilliant.
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