FPT @Selebian. I think you're blind to the issue here - I'll highlight two main points the article makes:
(1) "In a recent report on academic freedom in the U.S., the U.K., and Canada for the Center for the Study of Partisanship and Ideology, I found that 40 percent of American academics would not hire a known Trump supporter, and 33 percent of British academics would avoid hiring a known Brexit supporter. When it comes to refereeing papers, grant bids, and promotion applications, my own work and that of others indicates that the likelihood of an academic’s discriminating against an openly conservative submission is as high as 45 percent. On a four-person panel, that makes discrimination a near certainty."
(2) "In the 1960s there were only one and a half journalists and academics on the left for every one on the right. Today that ratio is between four to one and six to one, and considerably higher among political journalists and social-science and humanities academics. In a report on academia for the Manhattan Institute, I noted that left-leaning social-science and humanities academics now outnumber those on the right in Britain by nine to one, and in the U.S. by 14 to one. Work by Mitchell Langbert using voter-registration data for the top liberal-arts colleges and universities (for five disciplines) also shows lopsided ratios. At Harvard, for instance, a recent inquiry reported a $250-to-$1 Democrat-to-Republican donation ratio among the staff."
It's not enough for there to be "legal" protections - hard to access, prove and leverage - because an institutional culture of intolerance creates an environment that is suffocating to those already employed and inhibits any future recruitment to correct it. This means even fewer conservatives apply in the first place and thus reinforces a monoculture.
Those that are employed (like my friend at the University of Bath, for example, or me at the Woke firm I've just left) "fear losing (their) job or missing out on job opportunities if (their) political views became known.” And so, as in authoritarian regimes, dissenters keep their views to themselves through preference falsification. This has been precisely my experience.
It's a problem for all of us because these institutions form a large part of our civic society - arbitrating between the citizen and the state - and thus contributes to polarisation within it.
It needs to be addressed.
The website would only let me read the opening few paragraphs of the article, sadly, but the overall tone struck me as dishonest. It started with this dramatic statistic from the dating site, then extrapolated this to discrimination in hiring, despite these being completely different and indeed unrelated things (for instance, I wouldn't date a man but I would hire one). In my own field of economics there is a range of political views. In academia there is a left wing skew, in markets there is a right wing skew. This seems entirely understandable when you think of the likely difference in motivations and values between the two industries. Academia has got more left wing over the years, but then it has also become much worse paid, in relative terms, and those facts are probably related (we might argue over the direction of causation!). As a left wing person working in the markets I don't complain about the dearth of ideological soulmates, I don't know why right wing academics are so snowflakey about it. I have collaborated in academic research with people of various political stripes including Conservative US Republicans. In my experience, research with a clear ideological skew, left or right, is most likely bad research. The goal should be uncovering the truth, not advancing an agenda. Of course, if I were an ideological hack flogging policy-based evidence-making I might feel like I was getting discriminated when my research got rejected by top journals - but the likelihood is that the research was just bad. I do recall attending a very right-leaning conference where there was a lot of moaning about the Liberal bias in US academia, but the conference was lavishly funded by Conservative benefactors and hosted at a top Ivy League school so the whole complaint rang a little hollow to me. It had a strong whiff of privileges being defended.
There's some good points in here - including your admirable acknowledgement that research with a clear ideological skew is poor research - but why is your first instinct to attack Eric Kauffman's honesty?
He's a respected Canadian Academic (of mixed Chinese, Hispanic and European ancestry) working in a British university. He cited a variety of studies in making his points, and they're all respectable ones.
We need to get past the ad hominum into the specifics. Far too many of the responses to articles like this run along the lines of "he's making it up" and "I don't see any of this, so it can't be true".
What I'm interested in is everyone feeling able and willing to discuss their views and differences openly. That has to start with less prejudgement, more listening, and more forgiveness, and it's that I'm interested in.
It's the only way to confine polarisation to the fringes where it belongs, rather than it being part of the mainstream, and we have to work harder and harder at it in the social media age, not less.
All great points but I think you cut too much slack to Trumpery. It shouldn't be viewed like, say, being a Tory, a Brexiter, a social democrat, a "classic liberal", a small state libertarian, or whatever. He's a hate monger and those who lap that up can't expect it not to be held against them by those who don't.
I would judge Trump very differently from one of his voters, who include plenty of ordinary Americans, and give them the benefit of the doubt.
Of course lots of decent people voted for him. This must be the case given the numbers. Nevertheless he has colonized the Republican party, which is both chastening and frightening to somebody like me who takes a broadly sunny-side-up view of humanity, so I'm afraid I'm the other way around to you in that I'd be a touch wary of a person who I know voted for him until I get some evidence they did it reluctantly and despite the hate he throws out and for want of (in their eyes) a viable alternative. Pls note I do NOT feel this way about Leavers and Tories etc. It's a Trump thing.
So, in your eyes they are guilty until proven innocent?
Charming.
The reason you might not feel that way about Leavers and Tories is because you've been engaging with so many of us on here for so long that you realise the world isn't that simple.
That's precisely my point.
From my point of view I can see rational reasons for voting Tory and although many who voted leave I think did so for irrational* reasons, there are clearly many who did for completely rational reasons.
It is difficult to see any rational reason for voting for Trump, which is why the scale of his vote is so scary.
* Two of my favourites from personal conversations were: There are too many 'coloureds' here already and the criminal gangs are all Albanian.
If you were living in small town Hicksville, Flyover State in 2016, and had seen either a) your wages remain static since the previous century while the millionaires on the coast became billionaires, and/or b) the only major employer in your town decamp elsewhere while more and more of the stuff you used to make get imported from China and/or c) the social fabric of your town fraying, do you vote for a) more of the same, in the person and party of a candidate who appears to view you and your ilk as at best something of an embarrassment, or b) Trump? I don't like the man. But I can see why people voted for him.
I actually understand voting for Trump more than voting for Brexit. In that the US in 2016 was clearly a broken society failing the majority of its citizens, as evident in phenomena like falling life expectancy and the opioid epidemic. I don't think the UK was experiencing the same level of political failure and social fracture before 2016. Although, interestingly, it seems to be now!
I can understand someone voting Trump or Brexit.
Doesn’t mean I want to employ, date, or consort with such.
It's interesting you say you wouldn't want to employ them, which is precisely the point I made on this thread and the previous thread that @Selebian said would never happen and I'd made up.
Oh, Casino! That's a fairly good description of exactly what I did not say!
I said a number of things: - American conservatives are snowflakes (not all, to be sure, but some) - The research I've seen on the terrible time right wing people have in academia is poor quality - In my experience, you would not have the necessary information to discriminate against conservatives or brexiters in employment decisions or funding applications - A larger number of left wing people in academia might be a combination of left and right wing people being different and pursuing different careers, perceptions (pushed by conservatives, that academia hates conservatives) and some reality - Anyone who would discriminate on politics should be sacked - My own experience is different to what is claimed, including one example where I pushed back on wokeness and was backed up by the department and HR
I did not say there is definitively no discrimination and I did not speak beyond academia, indeed not even beyond UK academia.
I want you to know that I fully respect your lived experience as a much put upon and despised conservative and the way it has ruined your career all the way to becoming I director (I think?). I hope you find a safeish place on PB. I do not want you cancelled
On the last point, I've found the same. All it usually needs is for one person to say "enough" and suddenly the house of woke cars collapses. When I pointed out that the alignment groups were nothing more than company sponsored segregation by race suddenly all of those directors who were just going along with yet another American cultural import realised exactly what it was they were doing.
That's what woke is, a house of cards which inevitably collapses.
In my case it was one person rather than a process. Took frustratingly long to sort it as everything was done by the book, but no one at all supported the craziness that person was pushing.
I had my first day back at work today, after a 550 day weekend so a bit of a shock to the system.
Thanks to all of you who've been working hard and funding my furlough money. I feel a bit embarrassed to say it, but I've really enjoyed it. Money's been a bit tight, but it's still the best pay I've ever had for doing √fa
I've worked straight through the whole thing, and you're welcome. I don't begrudge some people having won the work lottery. Not that it's been easy on everyone in your situation. Welcome back.
I've been off work since redundancy 12 months ago. No income. Shame they did not furlough us.
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
lol
I also missed out Something, Michelle
You've got to hide your love away
Yeah, it's all so fucking TWEE though. Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da FFS.
Norwegian Wood always sounds like a subscribers only number on pornhub.
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
True enough, what you say there. Although 7 of your list are a totally mystery to me. I mainly know Norwegian Wood from the Cornershop cover, which I think it pretty good but will be obscure for most people.
Apparently Paul McCartney regards "Norwegian Wood" as the most perfect song he ever wrote. He penned it in about 5 minutes, complete. Like Mozart knocking out a sonata
The Beatles are not my favourite band. That would probably be Led Zep. But I can acknowledge the scale of their achievement. They are to popular music was Picasso is to modern art. Just this great protean thing that overwhelms in the size and diversity of the creation, over time
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
She's become a bit of a joke now, but Madonna was amazingly consistent in her day.
Holiday Burning Up Lucky Star Get Into The Groove Like a Virgin Material Girl True Blue Papa Don't Preach La Isla Bonita Open Your Heart Live To Tell Crazy For You Like a Prayer Express Yourself Cherish Oh Father Keep It Together Vogue Human Nature Music Hung Up
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
lol
I also missed out Something, Michelle
It truly is an insane back catalogue. There's nothing else quite like it and if I was restricted to a top 10 songs I would probably prefer the Stones.
Yes, me too.
A band or musician is considered notable today if they put out three or four famous songs.
The Beatles' achievement (even if they are not my favourite band) is in a different league. I doubt it will ever happen again
Each of The Doors, Dylan and Neil Young outclass the Beatles plus the Stones with a mile to spare.
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
True enough, what you say there. Although 7 of your list are a totally mystery to me. I mainly know Norwegian Wood from the Cornershop cover, which I think it pretty good but will be obscure for most people.
Apparently Paul McCartney regards "Norwegian Wood" as the most perfect song he ever wrote. He penned it in about 5 minutes, complete. Like Mozart knocking out a sonata
The Beatles are not my favourite band. That would probably be Led Zep. But I can acknowledge the scale of their achievement. They are to popular music was Picasso is to modern art. Just this great protean thing that overwhelms in the size and diversity of the creation, over time
Norwegian Wood was mainly Lennon's, shirley?
Was it? I might be mis-remembering, so my bad, if so. I definitely recall ONE of them saying it was their favourite song
It's interesting you say you wouldn't want to employ them, which is precisely the point I made on this thread and the previous thread that @Selebian said would never happen and I'd made up.
I do feel strongly about this. Perhaps because I used to be a communist, and knew people who were affected by the ridiculous Berufsverbot (which meant that they couldn't even be engine drivers or nurses), I'm very sensitive about not imposing employment restrictions regardless of opinion - I would unhesitatingly employ a fascist or a Trump supporter if they didn't let it get in the way of their work. Their private opinions are none of my business, and I owe it to whoever I work for to select the best people, not people who happen to agree with me. Society is divided enough without creating new artificial divisions.
For friendship, I would expect it to be a snag, but one that can be outweighed - my oldest friend has ranged from Tory to UKIP to BNP to (currently) Reform, but he's been a good friend for 50 years and we tolerate each others' views with amicable disagreement. There's so much more to people than their political opinions.
The Beatles are good, and I'm able to accept they were revolutionary or whatever, but the worship some people have for their stuff is just another example of fanaticism being bloody weird. It's not enough that people like it, it must be raised high, and imitators denigrated.
The Moody Blues on the other hand, now that was a band alright.
"I like all the bands. I've got a broad taste, you know, from the Britpop bands, like UB40, Def Leppard, right back to classic rock, like Wings." "Who's Wings?" "They're only the band The Beatles could have been."
Very amusing, but he's not wrong. Band on the Run, Jet, C Moon, Venus and Mars, Rock Show are the Beatles, done right. The paradox is: also Mull of Kintyre, Ebony n Ivory, Silly Love Songs etc.
You have a remarkable knowledge of Wings for someone who thinks the Beatles were meh.
C Moon was a b-side to a track that was banned by the BBC!
I can only assume you’re a tedious troll in music, as you are in politics.
I suspect you are right on that.
Ebony and Ivory wasn’t even Wings.
The Beatles are a band I personally love, from their early basic guitar based music to their more musical later stuff.
Presume the banned track was the one about giving Ireland to the Irish.
Jesus Christ. I know it wasn't fucking Wings. Let's all have a big think though, shall we, and try to think of two things it has in common with Wings? Fill in the gaps: it involved Paul ____, and it was post the B_______.
It must be fucking embarrassing, being you.
Er... You're really the one embarrassing himself. Chill a little.
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
lol
I also missed out Something, Michelle
You've got to hide your love away
Yeah, it's all so fucking TWEE though. Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da FFS.
Norwegian Wood always sounds like a subscribers only number on pornhub.
FPT @Selebian. I think you're blind to the issue here - I'll highlight two main points the article makes:
(1) "In a recent report on academic freedom in the U.S., the U.K., and Canada for the Center for the Study of Partisanship and Ideology, I found that 40 percent of American academics would not hire a known Trump supporter, and 33 percent of British academics would avoid hiring a known Brexit supporter. When it comes to refereeing papers, grant bids, and promotion applications, my own work and that of others indicates that the likelihood of an academic’s discriminating against an openly conservative submission is as high as 45 percent. On a four-person panel, that makes discrimination a near certainty."
(2) "In the 1960s there were only one and a half journalists and academics on the left for every one on the right. Today that ratio is between four to one and six to one, and considerably higher among political journalists and social-science and humanities academics. In a report on academia for the Manhattan Institute, I noted that left-leaning social-science and humanities academics now outnumber those on the right in Britain by nine to one, and in the U.S. by 14 to one. Work by Mitchell Langbert using voter-registration data for the top liberal-arts colleges and universities (for five disciplines) also shows lopsided ratios. At Harvard, for instance, a recent inquiry reported a $250-to-$1 Democrat-to-Republican donation ratio among the staff."
It's not enough for there to be "legal" protections - hard to access, prove and leverage - because an institutional culture of intolerance creates an environment that is suffocating to those already employed and inhibits any future recruitment to correct it. This means even fewer conservatives apply in the first place and thus reinforces a monoculture.
Those that are employed (like my friend at the University of Bath, for example, or me at the Woke firm I've just left) "fear losing (their) job or missing out on job opportunities if (their) political views became known.” And so, as in authoritarian regimes, dissenters keep their views to themselves through preference falsification. This has been precisely my experience.
It's a problem for all of us because these institutions form a large part of our civic society - arbitrating between the citizen and the state - and thus contributes to polarisation within it.
It needs to be addressed.
The website would only let me read the opening few paragraphs of the article, sadly, but the overall tone struck me as dishonest. It started with this dramatic statistic from the dating site, then extrapolated this to discrimination in hiring, despite these being completely different and indeed unrelated things (for instance, I wouldn't date a man but I would hire one). In my own field of economics there is a range of political views. In academia there is a left wing skew, in markets there is a right wing skew. This seems entirely understandable when you think of the likely difference in motivations and values between the two industries. Academia has got more left wing over the years, but then it has also become much worse paid, in relative terms, and those facts are probably related (we might argue over the direction of causation!). As a left wing person working in the markets I don't complain about the dearth of ideological soulmates, I don't know why right wing academics are so snowflakey about it. I have collaborated in academic research with people of various political stripes including Conservative US Republicans. In my experience, research with a clear ideological skew, left or right, is most likely bad research. The goal should be uncovering the truth, not advancing an agenda. Of course, if I were an ideological hack flogging policy-based evidence-making I might feel like I was getting discriminated when my research got rejected by top journals - but the likelihood is that the research was just bad. I do recall attending a very right-leaning conference where there was a lot of moaning about the Liberal bias in US academia, but the conference was lavishly funded by Conservative benefactors and hosted at a top Ivy League school so the whole complaint rang a little hollow to me. It had a strong whiff of privileges being defended.
There's some good points in here - including your admirable acknowledgement that research with a clear ideological skew is poor research - but why is your first instinct to attack Eric Kauffman's honesty?
He's a respected Canadian Academic (of mixed Chinese, Hispanic and European ancestry) working in a British university. He cited a variety of studies in making his points, and they're all respectable ones.
We need to get past the ad hominum into the specifics. Far too many of the responses to articles like this run along the lines of "he's making it up" and "I don't see any of this, so it can't be true".
What I'm interested in is everyone feeling able and willing to discuss their views and differences openly. That has to start with less prejudgement, more listening, and more forgiveness, and it's that I'm interested in.
It's the only way to confine polarisation to the fringes where it belongs, rather than it being part of the mainstream, and we have to work harder and harder at it in the social media age, not less.
All great points but I think you cut too much slack to Trumpery. It shouldn't be viewed like, say, being a Tory, a Brexiter, a social democrat, a "classic liberal", a small state libertarian, or whatever. He's a hate monger and those who lap that up can't expect it not to be held against them by those who don't.
I would judge Trump very differently from one of his voters, who include plenty of ordinary Americans, and give them the benefit of the doubt.
Of course lots of decent people voted for him. This must be the case given the numbers. Nevertheless he has colonized the Republican party, which is both chastening and frightening to somebody like me who takes a broadly sunny-side-up view of humanity, so I'm afraid I'm the other way around to you in that I'd be a touch wary of a person who I know voted for him until I get some evidence they did it reluctantly and despite the hate he throws out and for want of (in their eyes) a viable alternative. Pls note I do NOT feel this way about Leavers and Tories etc. It's a Trump thing.
So, in your eyes they are guilty until proven innocent?
Charming.
The reason you might not feel that way about Leavers and Tories is because you've been engaging with so many of us on here for so long that you realise the world isn't that simple.
That's precisely my point.
From my point of view I can see rational reasons for voting Tory and although many who voted leave I think did so for irrational* reasons, there are clearly many who did for completely rational reasons.
It is difficult to see any rational reason for voting for Trump, which is why the scale of his vote is so scary.
* Two of my favourites from personal conversations were: There are too many 'coloureds' here already and the criminal gangs are all Albanian.
If you were living in small town Hicksville, Flyover State in 2016, and had seen either a) your wages remain static since the previous century while the millionaires on the coast became billionaires, and/or b) the only major employer in your town decamp elsewhere while more and more of the stuff you used to make get imported from China and/or c) the social fabric of your town fraying, do you vote for a) more of the same, in the person and party of a candidate who appears to view you and your ilk as at best something of an embarrassment, or b) Trump? I don't like the man. But I can see why people voted for him.
I actually understand voting for Trump more than voting for Brexit. In that the US in 2016 was clearly a broken society failing the majority of its citizens, as evident in phenomena like falling life expectancy and the opioid epidemic. I don't think the UK was experiencing the same level of political failure and social fracture before 2016. Although, interestingly, it seems to be now!
I can understand someone voting Trump or Brexit.
Doesn’t mean I want to employ, date, or consort with such.
It's interesting you say you wouldn't want to employ them, which is precisely the point I made on this thread and the previous thread that @Selebian said would never happen and I'd made up.
Oh, Casino! That's a fairly good description of exactly what I did not say!
I said a number of things: - American conservatives are snowflakes (not all, to be sure, but some) - The research I've seen on the terrible time right wing people have in academia is poor quality - In my experience, you would not have the necessary information to discriminate against conservatives or brexiters in employment decisions or funding applications - A larger number of left wing people in academia might be a combination of left and right wing people being different and pursuing different careers, perceptions (pushed by conservatives, that academia hates conservatives) and some reality - Anyone who would discriminate on politics should be sacked - My own experience is different to what is claimed, including one example where I pushed back on wokeness and was backed up by the department and HR
I did not say there is definitively no discrimination and I did not speak beyond academia, indeed not even beyond UK academia.
I want you to know that I fully respect your lived experience as a much put upon and despised conservative and the way it has ruined your career all the way to becoming I director (I think?). I hope you find a safeish place on PB. I do not want you cancelled
On the last point, I've found the same. All it usually needs is for one person to say "enough" and suddenly the house of woke cars collapses. When I pointed out that the alignment groups were nothing more than company sponsored segregation by race suddenly all of those directors who were just going along with yet another American cultural import realised exactly what it was they were doing.
That's what woke is, a house of cards which inevitably collapses.
In my case it was one person rather than a process. Took frustratingly long to sort it as everything was done by the book, but no one at all supported the craziness that person was pushing.
Which is very commonplace. One person has the agenda, makes it seem like it is inevitable and anyone who opposes them is made to feel racist/homophobic/transphobic (among others) and that way they ensure no one speaks up. With no opposition suddenly the company is doing stupid woke shit. If one person has that "enough" moment and raises it with HR, it's usually more than enough to derail the whole woke agenda as others will follow that lead and also speak up.
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
True enough, what you say there. Although 7 of your list are a totally mystery to me. I mainly know Norwegian Wood from the Cornershop cover, which I think it pretty good but will be obscure for most people.
Apparently Paul McCartney regards "Norwegian Wood" as the most perfect song he ever wrote. He penned it in about 5 minutes, complete. Like Mozart knocking out a sonata
The Beatles are not my favourite band. That would probably be Led Zep. But I can acknowledge the scale of their achievement. They are to popular music was Picasso is to modern art. Just this great protean thing that overwhelms in the size and diversity of the creation, over time
I hate to agree with you twice in a day, but yes. Led Zep.
And yet, weirdly, not that great live, that often. Robert Plant is still magnificent live when he puts his mind to it.
I'm not sure 'greatest ever band' is a lot of use as an idea. It's like saying greatest ever book or greatest ever recipe or greatest ever walk. There's a whole bunch of considerations and the most we can do is probably reach a consensus about a group of achievements in their field for different reasons.
And so, yes, The Beatles for sure would be included.
So too would Pink Floyd, for a number of reasons but Dark Side of the Moon would be sufficient.
FPT @Selebian. I think you're blind to the issue here - I'll highlight two main points the article makes:
(1) "In a recent report on academic freedom in the U.S., the U.K., and Canada for the Center for the Study of Partisanship and Ideology, I found that 40 percent of American academics would not hire a known Trump supporter, and 33 percent of British academics would avoid hiring a known Brexit supporter. When it comes to refereeing papers, grant bids, and promotion applications, my own work and that of others indicates that the likelihood of an academic’s discriminating against an openly conservative submission is as high as 45 percent. On a four-person panel, that makes discrimination a near certainty."
(2) "In the 1960s there were only one and a half journalists and academics on the left for every one on the right. Today that ratio is between four to one and six to one, and considerably higher among political journalists and social-science and humanities academics. In a report on academia for the Manhattan Institute, I noted that left-leaning social-science and humanities academics now outnumber those on the right in Britain by nine to one, and in the U.S. by 14 to one. Work by Mitchell Langbert using voter-registration data for the top liberal-arts colleges and universities (for five disciplines) also shows lopsided ratios. At Harvard, for instance, a recent inquiry reported a $250-to-$1 Democrat-to-Republican donation ratio among the staff."
It's not enough for there to be "legal" protections - hard to access, prove and leverage - because an institutional culture of intolerance creates an environment that is suffocating to those already employed and inhibits any future recruitment to correct it. This means even fewer conservatives apply in the first place and thus reinforces a monoculture.
Those that are employed (like my friend at the University of Bath, for example, or me at the Woke firm I've just left) "fear losing (their) job or missing out on job opportunities if (their) political views became known.” And so, as in authoritarian regimes, dissenters keep their views to themselves through preference falsification. This has been precisely my experience.
It's a problem for all of us because these institutions form a large part of our civic society - arbitrating between the citizen and the state - and thus contributes to polarisation within it.
It needs to be addressed.
The website would only let me read the opening few paragraphs of the article, sadly, but the overall tone struck me as dishonest. It started with this dramatic statistic from the dating site, then extrapolated this to discrimination in hiring, despite these being completely different and indeed unrelated things (for instance, I wouldn't date a man but I would hire one). In my own field of economics there is a range of political views. In academia there is a left wing skew, in markets there is a right wing skew. This seems entirely understandable when you think of the likely difference in motivations and values between the two industries. Academia has got more left wing over the years, but then it has also become much worse paid, in relative terms, and those facts are probably related (we might argue over the direction of causation!). As a left wing person working in the markets I don't complain about the dearth of ideological soulmates, I don't know why right wing academics are so snowflakey about it. I have collaborated in academic research with people of various political stripes including Conservative US Republicans. In my experience, research with a clear ideological skew, left or right, is most likely bad research. The goal should be uncovering the truth, not advancing an agenda. Of course, if I were an ideological hack flogging policy-based evidence-making I might feel like I was getting discriminated when my research got rejected by top journals - but the likelihood is that the research was just bad. I do recall attending a very right-leaning conference where there was a lot of moaning about the Liberal bias in US academia, but the conference was lavishly funded by Conservative benefactors and hosted at a top Ivy League school so the whole complaint rang a little hollow to me. It had a strong whiff of privileges being defended.
There's some good points in here - including your admirable acknowledgement that research with a clear ideological skew is poor research - but why is your first instinct to attack Eric Kauffman's honesty?
He's a respected Canadian Academic (of mixed Chinese, Hispanic and European ancestry) working in a British university. He cited a variety of studies in making his points, and they're all respectable ones.
We need to get past the ad hominum into the specifics. Far too many of the responses to articles like this run along the lines of "he's making it up" and "I don't see any of this, so it can't be true".
What I'm interested in is everyone feeling able and willing to discuss their views and differences openly. That has to start with less prejudgement, more listening, and more forgiveness, and it's that I'm interested in.
It's the only way to confine polarisation to the fringes where it belongs, rather than it being part of the mainstream, and we have to work harder and harder at it in the social media age, not less.
All great points but I think you cut too much slack to Trumpery. It shouldn't be viewed like, say, being a Tory, a Brexiter, a social democrat, a "classic liberal", a small state libertarian, or whatever. He's a hate monger and those who lap that up can't expect it not to be held against them by those who don't.
I would judge Trump very differently from one of his voters, who include plenty of ordinary Americans, and give them the benefit of the doubt.
Of course lots of decent people voted for him. This must be the case given the numbers. Nevertheless he has colonized the Republican party, which is both chastening and frightening to somebody like me who takes a broadly sunny-side-up view of humanity, so I'm afraid I'm the other way around to you in that I'd be a touch wary of a person who I know voted for him until I get some evidence they did it reluctantly and despite the hate he throws out and for want of (in their eyes) a viable alternative. Pls note I do NOT feel this way about Leavers and Tories etc. It's a Trump thing.
So, in your eyes they are guilty until proven innocent?
Charming.
The reason you might not feel that way about Leavers and Tories is because you've been engaging with so many of us on here for so long that you realise the world isn't that simple.
That's precisely my point.
From my point of view I can see rational reasons for voting Tory and although many who voted leave I think did so for irrational* reasons, there are clearly many who did for completely rational reasons.
It is difficult to see any rational reason for voting for Trump, which is why the scale of his vote is so scary.
* Two of my favourites from personal conversations were: There are too many 'coloureds' here already and the criminal gangs are all Albanian.
If you were living in small town Hicksville, Flyover State in 2016, and had seen either a) your wages remain static since the previous century while the millionaires on the coast became billionaires, and/or b) the only major employer in your town decamp elsewhere while more and more of the stuff you used to make get imported from China and/or c) the social fabric of your town fraying, do you vote for a) more of the same, in the person and party of a candidate who appears to view you and your ilk as at best something of an embarrassment, or b) Trump? I don't like the man. But I can see why people voted for him.
I actually understand voting for Trump more than voting for Brexit. In that the US in 2016 was clearly a broken society failing the majority of its citizens, as evident in phenomena like falling life expectancy and the opioid epidemic. I don't think the UK was experiencing the same level of political failure and social fracture before 2016. Although, interestingly, it seems to be now!
I can understand someone voting Trump or Brexit.
Doesn’t mean I want to employ, date, or consort with such.
It's interesting you say you wouldn't want to employ them, which is precisely the point I made on this thread and the previous thread that @Selebian said would never happen and I'd made up.
Oh, Casino! That's a fairly good description of exactly what I did not say!
I said a number of things: - American conservatives are snowflakes (not all, to be sure, but some) - The research I've seen on the terrible time right wing people have in academia is poor quality - In my experience, you would not have the necessary information to discriminate against conservatives or brexiters in employment decisions or funding applications - A larger number of left wing people in academia might be a combination of left and right wing people being different and pursuing different careers, perceptions (pushed by conservatives, that academia hates conservatives) and some reality - Anyone who would discriminate on politics should be sacked - My own experience is different to what is claimed, including one example where I pushed back on wokeness and was backed up by the department and HR
I did not say there is definitively no discrimination and I did not speak beyond academia, indeed not even beyond UK academia.
I want you to know that I fully respect your lived experience as a much put upon and despised conservative and the way it has ruined your career all the way to becoming I director (I think?). I hope you find a safeish place on PB. I do not want you cancelled
On the last point, I've found the same. All it usually needs is for one person to say "enough" and suddenly the house of woke cars collapses. When I pointed out that the alignment groups were nothing more than company sponsored segregation by race suddenly all of those directors who were just going along with yet another American cultural import realised exactly what it was they were doing.
That's what woke is, a house of cards which inevitably collapses.
It collapses when the initiatives are actually scrutinised, but one of the unique features of woke thinking is that it tries to avoid scrutiny or debate. This was encapuslated by a Labour MP, who remarked "The very act of debate... is an effective rollback of assumed equality and a foot in the door for doubt and hatred". So people try and enter in to discourse on issues like transgender rights, for instance by questioning whether it is really correct that men at an early stage of transition should have the same rights as those assigned to women, just to find that they are immediately in the realms of unacceptable hate speech.
This is a cultural revolution; and based on the comments I read on here, it is clear that people have a very poor grasp of it. It has been brewing for many years; but won its main battles in 2020 and those of us who oppose it are in retreat; fighting rear guard actions to protect the few remaining bastions of the old liberal order.
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
Oh man the three Hobbit movies were the worst. So much unnecessary filler content that wasn't in the damn book. One 2 hour film would have been perfect for a short book, Peter Jackson should only be given deals without final edit rights.
The Hobbit was 3 movies long?!
Which is extraordinary when you consider how short hobbits are
And the sub-title of The Hobbit is "There And Back Again", which literally suggests two films at most.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
She's become a bit of a joke now, but Madonna was amazingly consistent in her day.
Holiday Burning Up Lucky Star Get Into The Groove Like a Virgin Material Girl True Blue Papa Don't Preach La Isla Bonita Open Your Heart Live To Tell Crazy For You Like a Prayer Express Yourself Cherish Oh Father Keep It Together Vogue Human Nature Music Hung Up
Not a great fan of Madonna, but I appreciate her talent. However she generally didn't write her own songs, which is a pretty humongous difference with the Beatles
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
lol
I also missed out Something, Michelle
It truly is an insane back catalogue. There's nothing else quite like it and if I was restricted to a top 10 songs I would probably prefer the Stones.
Yes, me too.
A band or musician is considered notable today if they put out three or four famous songs.
The Beatles' achievement (even if they are not my favourite band) is in a different league. I doubt it will ever happen again
Queen is the only band I can think of that has come close since and could have done as much of a quality catalogue if Freddie Mercury didn't die young.
This MRP swing is significant. It doesn't take much to knock down the tory majority.
My hunch is that the next GE will go a little bit like 1987 to 1992. A big majority will look as if it's going to be wiped out, then the tory tabloids will do their thing and see Bojo back over the line with a narrow majority.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
She's become a bit of a joke now, but Madonna was amazingly consistent in her day.
Holiday Burning Up Lucky Star Get Into The Groove Like a Virgin Material Girl True Blue Papa Don't Preach La Isla Bonita Open Your Heart Live To Tell Crazy For You Like a Prayer Express Yourself Cherish Oh Father Keep It Together Vogue Human Nature Music Hung Up
And, now, she can't sing for toffee and sounds like Sharon doing terrible Friday night karaoke down the Dog & Duck in Fratton.
The Living Daylights Casino Royale Goldeneye OHMSS Spy Who Loved Me Goldfinger
Also, soft spots for Octopussy, For Your Eyes Only, Thunderball, From Russia with Love and Live and Let Die. A View to A Kill if only for Christopher Walken.
Die Another Day and Diamonds are Forever are embarrassing.
Diamonds Are Forever has some interesting visuals.
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
True enough, what you say there. Although 7 of your list are a totally mystery to me. I mainly know Norwegian Wood from the Cornershop cover, which I think it pretty good but will be obscure for most people.
Apparently Paul McCartney regards "Norwegian Wood" as the most perfect song he ever wrote. He penned it in about 5 minutes, complete. Like Mozart knocking out a sonata
The Beatles are not my favourite band. That would probably be Led Zep. But I can acknowledge the scale of their achievement. They are to popular music was Picasso is to modern art. Just this great protean thing that overwhelms in the size and diversity of the creation, over time
I hate to agree with you twice in a day, but yes. Led Zep.
And yet, weirdly, not that great live, that often. Robert Plant is still magnificent live when he puts his mind to it.
I'm not sure 'greatest ever band' is a lot of use as an idea. It's like saying greatest ever book or greatest ever recipe or greatest ever walk. There's a whole bunch of considerations and the most we can do is probably reach a consensus about a group of achievements in their field for different reasons.
And so, yes, The Beatles for sure would be included.
So too would Pink Floyd, for a number of reasons but Dark Side of the Moon would be sufficient.
Led Zeppelin yes, but not much new material. Compare and contrast the Doors who were equally driven by proper trad blues material but wrote masses of fabulous stuff on top.
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
True enough, what you say there. Although 7 of your list are a totally mystery to me. I mainly know Norwegian Wood from the Cornershop cover, which I think it pretty good but will be obscure for most people.
Apparently Paul McCartney regards "Norwegian Wood" as the most perfect song he ever wrote. He penned it in about 5 minutes, complete. Like Mozart knocking out a sonata
The Beatles are not my favourite band. That would probably be Led Zep. But I can acknowledge the scale of their achievement. They are to popular music was Picasso is to modern art. Just this great protean thing that overwhelms in the size and diversity of the creation, over time
Norwegian Wood was mainly Lennon's, shirley?
Was it? I might be mis-remembering, so my bad, if so. I definitely recall ONE of them saying it was their favourite song
It's a great song.
I think the comparison with Picasso is apt. If you listen to the songs from 1963 then those from just five years later it's a complete revolution in pop.
Listen to music from 2016 or 2011, or 2006... and it sounds much like today's.
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
lol
I also missed out Something, Michelle
You've got to hide your love away
Yeah, it's all so fucking TWEE though. Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da FFS.
Norwegian Wood always sounds like a subscribers only number on pornhub.
Possibly the next worse Beatles Song to Maxwells Silver Hammer.
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
lol
I also missed out Something, Michelle
It truly is an insane back catalogue. There's nothing else quite like it and if I was restricted to a top 10 songs I would probably prefer the Stones.
Yes, me too.
A band or musician is considered notable today if they put out three or four famous songs.
The Beatles' achievement (even if they are not my favourite band) is in a different league. I doubt it will ever happen again
Queen is the only band I can think of that has come close since and could have done as much of a quality catalogue if Freddie Mercury didn't die young.
Yes, quite possibly true. They aren't up there with the Beatles in terms of immense catalogue, but if they'd been given another 5-10 years?
That was one of the eye-opening things for me, when watching the excellent Bohemian Rhapsody - Jesus, just how many brilliant songs did they do?
Elton John, also. A phenomenal career
I am sure I sound like a grizzled old fuck but I get the feeling we won't be watching a movie in 30 years which makes us say "Jesus, just how bloody good was Ed Sheeran?"
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
She's become a bit of a joke now, but Madonna was amazingly consistent in her day.
Holiday Burning Up Lucky Star Get Into The Groove Like a Virgin Material Girl True Blue Papa Don't Preach La Isla Bonita Open Your Heart Live To Tell Crazy For You Like a Prayer Express Yourself Cherish Oh Father Keep It Together Vogue Human Nature Music Hung Up
And, now, she can't sing for toffee and sounds like Sharon doing terrible Friday night karaoke down the Dog & Duck in Fratton.
The Beatles are good, and I'm able to accept they were revolutionary or whatever, but the worship some people have for their stuff is just another example of fanaticism being bloody weird. It's not enough that people like it, it must be raised high, and imitators denigrated.
The Moody Blues on the other hand, now that was a band alright.
"I like all the bands. I've got a broad taste, you know, from the Britpop bands, like UB40, Def Leppard, right back to classic rock, like Wings." "Who's Wings?" "They're only the band The Beatles could have been."
Very amusing, but he's not wrong. Band on the Run, Jet, C Moon, Venus and Mars, Rock Show are the Beatles, done right. The paradox is: also Mull of Kintyre, Ebony n Ivory, Silly Love Songs etc.
You have a remarkable knowledge of Wings for someone who thinks the Beatles were meh.
C Moon was a b-side to a track that was banned by the BBC!
I can only assume you’re a tedious troll in music, as you are in politics.
I suspect you are right on that.
Ebony and Ivory wasn’t even Wings.
The Beatles are a band I personally love, from their early basic guitar based music to their more musical later stuff.
Presume the banned track was the one about giving Ireland to the Irish.
Jesus Christ. I know it wasn't fucking Wings. Let's all have a big think though, shall we, and try to think of two things it has in common with Wings? Fill in the gaps: it involved Paul ____, and it was post the B_______.
It must be fucking embarrassing, being you.
Er... You're really the one embarrassing himself. Chill a little.
Yeah, OK. But presented with a "point" like "C Moon was a b-side to a track that was banned by the BBC!" it is difficult to know how to react proportionately. I mean, WTAF?
Well, I'll be stripping my Facebook account right back to the basics (deleting all old albums and posts) and changing my password after this.
Sure, someone will probably still have all the data somewhere - but it will make it a bit harder.
If login credentials have been leaked (even encrypted), doesn't that make it very difficult to bring back? As soon as they do, any easily decrypted accounts will be hacked.
They'd have to re-verify all their users somehow. That probably wouldn't do much for their share price as it might become obvious how many are inactive...
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
lol
I also missed out Something, Michelle
It truly is an insane back catalogue. There's nothing else quite like it and if I was restricted to a top 10 songs I would probably prefer the Stones.
Yes, me too.
A band or musician is considered notable today if they put out three or four famous songs.
The Beatles' achievement (even if they are not my favourite band) is in a different league. I doubt it will ever happen again
Queen is the only band I can think of that has come close since and could have done as much of a quality catalogue if Freddie Mercury didn't die young.
Yes, quite possibly true. They aren't up there with the Beatles in terms of immense catalogue, but if they'd been given another 5-10 years?
That was one of the eye-opening things for me, when watching the excellent Bohemian Rhapsody - Jesus, just how many brilliant songs did they do?
Elton John, also. A phenomenal career
I am sure I sound like a grizzled old fuck but I get the feeling we won't be watching a movie in 30 years which makes us say "Jesus, just how bloody good was Ed Sheeran?"
Bohemian Rhapsody barely scratched the surface on their catalogue too. Their greatest hits but they had plenty more worth mentioning.
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
lol
I also missed out Something, Michelle
I think you should just let it be. Otherwise people will think you were born yesterday.
Yes, quite possibly true. They aren't up there with the Beatles in terms of immense catalogue, but if they'd been given another 5-10 years?
That was one of the eye-opening things for me, when watching the excellent Bohemian Rhapsody - Jesus, just how many brilliant songs did they do?
Elton John, also. A phenomenal career
I am sure I sound like a grizzled old fuck but I get the feeling we won't be watching a movie in 30 years which makes us say "Jesus, just how bloody good was Ed Sheeran?"
I think it's partly just that popular music has lost its cultural vitality.
Bands used to struggle with their second album because they had nothing to write about, but now it's all like that.
FPT @Selebian. I think you're blind to the issue here - I'll highlight two main points the article makes:
(1) "In a recent report on academic freedom in the U.S., the U.K., and Canada for the Center for the Study of Partisanship and Ideology, I found that 40 percent of American academics would not hire a known Trump supporter, and 33 percent of British academics would avoid hiring a known Brexit supporter. When it comes to refereeing papers, grant bids, and promotion applications, my own work and that of others indicates that the likelihood of an academic’s discriminating against an openly conservative submission is as high as 45 percent. On a four-person panel, that makes discrimination a near certainty."
(2) "In the 1960s there were only one and a half journalists and academics on the left for every one on the right. Today that ratio is between four to one and six to one, and considerably higher among political journalists and social-science and humanities academics. In a report on academia for the Manhattan Institute, I noted that left-leaning social-science and humanities academics now outnumber those on the right in Britain by nine to one, and in the U.S. by 14 to one. Work by Mitchell Langbert using voter-registration data for the top liberal-arts colleges and universities (for five disciplines) also shows lopsided ratios. At Harvard, for instance, a recent inquiry reported a $250-to-$1 Democrat-to-Republican donation ratio among the staff."
It's not enough for there to be "legal" protections - hard to access, prove and leverage - because an institutional culture of intolerance creates an environment that is suffocating to those already employed and inhibits any future recruitment to correct it. This means even fewer conservatives apply in the first place and thus reinforces a monoculture.
Those that are employed (like my friend at the University of Bath, for example, or me at the Woke firm I've just left) "fear losing (their) job or missing out on job opportunities if (their) political views became known.” And so, as in authoritarian regimes, dissenters keep their views to themselves through preference falsification. This has been precisely my experience.
It's a problem for all of us because these institutions form a large part of our civic society - arbitrating between the citizen and the state - and thus contributes to polarisation within it.
It needs to be addressed.
The website would only let me read the opening few paragraphs of the article, sadly, but the overall tone struck me as dishonest. It started with this dramatic statistic from the dating site, then extrapolated this to discrimination in hiring, despite these being completely different and indeed unrelated things (for instance, I wouldn't date a man but I would hire one). In my own field of economics there is a range of political views. In academia there is a left wing skew, in markets there is a right wing skew. This seems entirely understandable when you think of the likely difference in motivations and values between the two industries. Academia has got more left wing over the years, but then it has also become much worse paid, in relative terms, and those facts are probably related (we might argue over the direction of causation!). As a left wing person working in the markets I don't complain about the dearth of ideological soulmates, I don't know why right wing academics are so snowflakey about it. I have collaborated in academic research with people of various political stripes including Conservative US Republicans. In my experience, research with a clear ideological skew, left or right, is most likely bad research. The goal should be uncovering the truth, not advancing an agenda. Of course, if I were an ideological hack flogging policy-based evidence-making I might feel like I was getting discriminated when my research got rejected by top journals - but the likelihood is that the research was just bad. I do recall attending a very right-leaning conference where there was a lot of moaning about the Liberal bias in US academia, but the conference was lavishly funded by Conservative benefactors and hosted at a top Ivy League school so the whole complaint rang a little hollow to me. It had a strong whiff of privileges being defended.
There's some good points in here - including your admirable acknowledgement that research with a clear ideological skew is poor research - but why is your first instinct to attack Eric Kauffman's honesty?
He's a respected Canadian Academic (of mixed Chinese, Hispanic and European ancestry) working in a British university. He cited a variety of studies in making his points, and they're all respectable ones.
We need to get past the ad hominum into the specifics. Far too many of the responses to articles like this run along the lines of "he's making it up" and "I don't see any of this, so it can't be true".
What I'm interested in is everyone feeling able and willing to discuss their views and differences openly. That has to start with less prejudgement, more listening, and more forgiveness, and it's that I'm interested in.
It's the only way to confine polarisation to the fringes where it belongs, rather than it being part of the mainstream, and we have to work harder and harder at it in the social media age, not less.
All great points but I think you cut too much slack to Trumpery. It shouldn't be viewed like, say, being a Tory, a Brexiter, a social democrat, a "classic liberal", a small state libertarian, or whatever. He's a hate monger and those who lap that up can't expect it not to be held against them by those who don't.
I would judge Trump very differently from one of his voters, who include plenty of ordinary Americans, and give them the benefit of the doubt.
Of course lots of decent people voted for him. This must be the case given the numbers. Nevertheless he has colonized the Republican party, which is both chastening and frightening to somebody like me who takes a broadly sunny-side-up view of humanity, so I'm afraid I'm the other way around to you in that I'd be a touch wary of a person who I know voted for him until I get some evidence they did it reluctantly and despite the hate he throws out and for want of (in their eyes) a viable alternative. Pls note I do NOT feel this way about Leavers and Tories etc. It's a Trump thing.
So, in your eyes they are guilty until proven innocent?
Charming.
The reason you might not feel that way about Leavers and Tories is because you've been engaging with so many of us on here for so long that you realise the world isn't that simple.
That's precisely my point.
From my point of view I can see rational reasons for voting Tory and although many who voted leave I think did so for irrational* reasons, there are clearly many who did for completely rational reasons.
It is difficult to see any rational reason for voting for Trump, which is why the scale of his vote is so scary.
* Two of my favourites from personal conversations were: There are too many 'coloureds' here already and the criminal gangs are all Albanian.
If you were living in small town Hicksville, Flyover State in 2016, and had seen either a) your wages remain static since the previous century while the millionaires on the coast became billionaires, and/or b) the only major employer in your town decamp elsewhere while more and more of the stuff you used to make get imported from China and/or c) the social fabric of your town fraying, do you vote for a) more of the same, in the person and party of a candidate who appears to view you and your ilk as at best something of an embarrassment, or b) Trump? I don't like the man. But I can see why people voted for him.
I actually understand voting for Trump more than voting for Brexit. In that the US in 2016 was clearly a broken society failing the majority of its citizens, as evident in phenomena like falling life expectancy and the opioid epidemic. I don't think the UK was experiencing the same level of political failure and social fracture before 2016. Although, interestingly, it seems to be now!
I can understand someone voting Trump or Brexit.
Doesn’t mean I want to employ, date, or consort with such.
It's interesting you say you wouldn't want to employ them, which is precisely the point I made on this thread and the previous thread that @Selebian said would never happen and I'd made up.
Oh, Casino! That's a fairly good description of exactly what I did not say!
I said a number of things: - American conservatives are snowflakes (not all, to be sure, but some) - The research I've seen on the terrible time right wing people have in academia is poor quality - In my experience, you would not have the necessary information to discriminate against conservatives or brexiters in employment decisions or funding applications - A larger number of left wing people in academia might be a combination of left and right wing people being different and pursuing different careers, perceptions (pushed by conservatives, that academia hates conservatives) and some reality - Anyone who would discriminate on politics should be sacked - My own experience is different to what is claimed, including one example where I pushed back on wokeness and was backed up by the department and HR
I did not say there is definitively no discrimination and I did not speak beyond academia, indeed not even beyond UK academia.
I want you to know that I fully respect your lived experience as a much put upon and despised conservative and the way it has ruined your career all the way to becoming I director (I think?). I hope you find a safeish place on PB. I do not want you cancelled
On the last point, I've found the same. All it usually needs is for one person to say "enough" and suddenly the house of woke cars collapses. When I pointed out that the alignment groups were nothing more than company sponsored segregation by race suddenly all of those directors who were just going along with yet another American cultural import realised exactly what it was they were doing.
That's what woke is, a house of cards which inevitably collapses.
In my case it was one person rather than a process. Took frustratingly long to sort it as everything was done by the book, but no one at all supported the craziness that person was pushing.
One big reason I left my firm is because its owners have succumbed to the CRT belief that equity, not equality, is the most important policy any organisation can pursue - that is treating people differently depending on whether they're from a group that's structurally disadvantaged or not, and giving them a leg up if they are.
It became very clear to me I'd never get on there and nor would I get any opportunities.
Yes, I got another job - that's a big step up for me - after many months of looking. And, yes, I suspect my current firm is going down the tubes as it pursues weird peccadilloes that defy common business sense but it was still a unpleasant place to be in that I wouldn't wish on anyone.
The Beatles are good, and I'm able to accept they were revolutionary or whatever, but the worship some people have for their stuff is just another example of fanaticism being bloody weird. It's not enough that people like it, it must be raised high, and imitators denigrated.
The Moody Blues on the other hand, now that was a band alright.
"I like all the bands. I've got a broad taste, you know, from the Britpop bands, like UB40, Def Leppard, right back to classic rock, like Wings." "Who's Wings?" "They're only the band The Beatles could have been."
Very amusing, but he's not wrong. Band on the Run, Jet, C Moon, Venus and Mars, Rock Show are the Beatles, done right. The paradox is: also Mull of Kintyre, Ebony n Ivory, Silly Love Songs etc.
You have a remarkable knowledge of Wings for someone who thinks the Beatles were meh.
C Moon was a b-side to a track that was banned by the BBC!
I can only assume you’re a tedious troll in music, as you are in politics.
I suspect you are right on that.
Ebony and Ivory wasn’t even Wings.
The Beatles are a band I personally love, from their early basic guitar based music to their more musical later stuff.
Presume the banned track was the one about giving Ireland to the Irish.
Jesus Christ. I know it wasn't fucking Wings. Let's all have a big think though, shall we, and try to think of two things it has in common with Wings? Fill in the gaps: it involved Paul ____, and it was post the B_______.
It must be fucking embarrassing, being you.
Er... You're really the one embarrassing himself. Chill a little.
Yeah, OK. But presented with a "point" like "C Moon was a b-side to a track that was banned by the BBC!" it is difficult to know how to react proportionately. I mean, WTAF?
By the way, I thought No Time to Die was absolutely dire.
Possibly the dullest movie I've ever seen and a good example of why an actor should never be allowed to get above himself and start dictating plots.
It's the only Bond movie I would never see twice.
Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view.
You're fairly new here, you honestly don't need to add this
"Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view."
That is the raison d'etre of the site! And it's good to have you on board
As I got hounded early on a few months back and felt like I'd been mauled in a bear pit I felt, and feel, it very necessary to qualify a subjective remark which might cause consternation amongst others. I don't want argument. I'm sure there are people who will love No Time to Die.
Surely the raison d'etre of a site called political betting is, er, political betting?
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
True enough, what you say there. Although 7 of your list are a totally mystery to me. I mainly know Norwegian Wood from the Cornershop cover, which I think it pretty good but will be obscure for most people.
Apparently Paul McCartney regards "Norwegian Wood" as the most perfect song he ever wrote. He penned it in about 5 minutes, complete. Like Mozart knocking out a sonata
The Beatles are not my favourite band. That would probably be Led Zep. But I can acknowledge the scale of their achievement. They are to popular music was Picasso is to modern art. Just this great protean thing that overwhelms in the size and diversity of the creation, over time
I hate to agree with you twice in a day, but yes. Led Zep.
And yet, weirdly, not that great live, that often. Robert Plant is still magnificent live when he puts his mind to it.
I'm not sure 'greatest ever band' is a lot of use as an idea. It's like saying greatest ever book or greatest ever recipe or greatest ever walk. There's a whole bunch of considerations and the most we can do is probably reach a consensus about a group of achievements in their field for different reasons.
And so, yes, The Beatles for sure would be included.
So too would Pink Floyd, for a number of reasons but Dark Side of the Moon would be sufficient.
Floyd for me, not just for Dark Side, I prefer Animals even though Dark Side Is exceptional.
Also Meddle, Atom Heart Mother, wish you were here. So many great quality tracks.
The Beatles are good, and I'm able to accept they were revolutionary or whatever, but the worship some people have for their stuff is just another example of fanaticism being bloody weird. It's not enough that people like it, it must be raised high, and imitators denigrated.
The Moody Blues on the other hand, now that was a band alright.
"I like all the bands. I've got a broad taste, you know, from the Britpop bands, like UB40, Def Leppard, right back to classic rock, like Wings." "Who's Wings?" "They're only the band The Beatles could have been."
Very amusing, but he's not wrong. Band on the Run, Jet, C Moon, Venus and Mars, Rock Show are the Beatles, done right. The paradox is: also Mull of Kintyre, Ebony n Ivory, Silly Love Songs etc.
You have a remarkable knowledge of Wings for someone who thinks the Beatles were meh.
C Moon was a b-side to a track that was banned by the BBC!
I can only assume you’re a tedious troll in music, as you are in politics.
I suspect you are right on that.
Ebony and Ivory wasn’t even Wings.
The Beatles are a band I personally love, from their early basic guitar based music to their more musical later stuff.
Presume the banned track was the one about giving Ireland to the Irish.
Jesus Christ. I know it wasn't fucking Wings. Let's all have a big think though, shall we, and try to think of two things it has in common with Wings? Fill in the gaps: it involved Paul ____, and it was post the B_______.
It must be fucking embarrassing, being you.
Er... You're really the one embarrassing himself. Chill a little.
Yeah, OK. But presented with a "point" like "C Moon was a b-side to a track that was banned by the BBC!" it is difficult to know how to react proportionately. I mean, WTAF?
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
lol
I also missed out Something, Michelle
It truly is an insane back catalogue. There's nothing else quite like it and if I was restricted to a top 10 songs I would probably prefer the Stones.
Yes, me too.
A band or musician is considered notable today if they put out three or four famous songs.
The Beatles' achievement (even if they are not my favourite band) is in a different league. I doubt it will ever happen again
Queen is the only band I can think of that has come close since and could have done as much of a quality catalogue if Freddie Mercury didn't die young.
Yes, quite possibly true. They aren't up there with the Beatles in terms of immense catalogue, but if they'd been given another 5-10 years?
That was one of the eye-opening things for me, when watching the excellent Bohemian Rhapsody - Jesus, just how many brilliant songs did they do?
Elton John, also. A phenomenal career
I am sure I sound like a grizzled old fuck but I get the feeling we won't be watching a movie in 30 years which makes us say "Jesus, just how bloody good was Ed Sheeran?"
Queen had about a decade on the Beatles though! 72-91 playing 62-70?
Got to say The Beatles did some great songs across every period of their career, from the straightforward early love songs (She Loves You, Please Please Me) to first signs of anguish (Help) to the latter rockier stages (Dont Let Me Down, I want You (She's So Heavy)
I always liked Polythene Pam, referencing the yeah yeah yeah years with overdone scouse accent
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
lol
I also missed out Something, Michelle
I think you should just let it be. Otherwise people will think you were born yesterday.
Let It Be!
Seriously. Fuck. How could I forget Let It Be. A beautiful beautiful song, moving and timeless, about a mother's love for her little son. If someone put that out today we'd all marvel at their genius
And yet I forgot it. That's how good they are. There are so many songs
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
lol
I also missed out Something, Michelle
I think you should just let it be. Otherwise people will think you were born yesterday.
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
lol
I also missed out Something, Michelle
It truly is an insane back catalogue. There's nothing else quite like it and if I was restricted to a top 10 songs I would probably prefer the Stones.
Yes, me too.
A band or musician is considered notable today if they put out three or four famous songs.
The Beatles' achievement (even if they are not my favourite band) is in a different league. I doubt it will ever happen again
Queen is the only band I can think of that has come close since and could have done as much of a quality catalogue if Freddie Mercury didn't die young.
Yes, quite possibly true. They aren't up there with the Beatles in terms of immense catalogue, but if they'd been given another 5-10 years?
That was one of the eye-opening things for me, when watching the excellent Bohemian Rhapsody - Jesus, just how many brilliant songs did they do?
Elton John, also. A phenomenal career
I am sure I sound like a grizzled old fuck but I get the feeling we won't be watching a movie in 30 years which makes us say "Jesus, just how bloody good was Ed Sheeran?"
Elton John, absolutely briliiant career and many many great tracks. Seen him once at the metro arena as was. He was great value. Played for two and a half hours.
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
True enough, what you say there. Although 7 of your list are a totally mystery to me. I mainly know Norwegian Wood from the Cornershop cover, which I think it pretty good but will be obscure for most people.
Apparently Paul McCartney regards "Norwegian Wood" as the most perfect song he ever wrote. He penned it in about 5 minutes, complete. Like Mozart knocking out a sonata
The Beatles are not my favourite band. That would probably be Led Zep. But I can acknowledge the scale of their achievement. They are to popular music was Picasso is to modern art. Just this great protean thing that overwhelms in the size and diversity of the creation, over time
I hate to agree with you twice in a day, but yes. Led Zep.
And yet, weirdly, not that great live, that often. Robert Plant is still magnificent live when he puts his mind to it.
I'm not sure 'greatest ever band' is a lot of use as an idea. It's like saying greatest ever book or greatest ever recipe or greatest ever walk. There's a whole bunch of considerations and the most we can do is probably reach a consensus about a group of achievements in their field for different reasons.
And so, yes, The Beatles for sure would be included.
So too would Pink Floyd, for a number of reasons but Dark Side of the Moon would be sufficient.
Floyd for me, not just for Dark Side, I prefer Animals even though Dark Side Is exceptional.
Also Meddle, Atom Heart Mother, wish you were here. So many great quality tracks.
Dark Side and Wish You Were Here are two of the best albums ever made. 68-70 were poor years though in my opinion. I loved Piper at the Gates of Dawn when I was a teenager, but it sounds a bit silly now. The Wall is depressingly brilliant
By the way, I thought No Time to Die was absolutely dire.
Possibly the dullest movie I've ever seen and a good example of why an actor should never be allowed to get above himself and start dictating plots.
It's the only Bond movie I would never see twice.
Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view.
You're fairly new here, you honestly don't need to add this
"Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view."
That is the raison d'etre of the site! And it's good to have you on board
As I got hounded early on a few months back and felt like I'd been mauled in a bear pit I felt, and feel, it very necessary to qualify a subjective remark which might cause consternation amongst others. I don't want argument. I'm sure there are people who will love No Time to Die.
Surely the raison d'etre of a site called political betting is, er, political betting?
Nah, it's pointless pedantry and petulant partisanship.
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
lol
I also missed out Something, Michelle
It truly is an insane back catalogue. There's nothing else quite like it and if I was restricted to a top 10 songs I would probably prefer the Stones.
Yes, me too.
A band or musician is considered notable today if they put out three or four famous songs.
The Beatles' achievement (even if they are not my favourite band) is in a different league. I doubt it will ever happen again
Queen is the only band I can think of that has come close since and could have done as much of a quality catalogue if Freddie Mercury didn't die young.
Yes, quite possibly true. They aren't up there with the Beatles in terms of immense catalogue, but if they'd been given another 5-10 years?
That was one of the eye-opening things for me, when watching the excellent Bohemian Rhapsody - Jesus, just how many brilliant songs did they do?
Elton John, also. A phenomenal career
I am sure I sound like a grizzled old fuck but I get the feeling we won't be watching a movie in 30 years which makes us say "Jesus, just how bloody good was Ed Sheeran?"
I like Queen. A lot.
But their output over 20 years before Freddie died did not match what the Beatles produced in <10. Another 5-10 years of Queen with Mercury would have been fantastic but would not have closed the gap imo.
By the way, I thought No Time to Die was absolutely dire.
Possibly the dullest movie I've ever seen and a good example of why an actor should never be allowed to get above himself and start dictating plots.
It's the only Bond movie I would never see twice.
Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view.
You're fairly new here, you honestly don't need to add this
"Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view."
That is the raison d'etre of the site! And it's good to have you on board
As I got hounded early on a few months back and felt like I'd been mauled in a bear pit I felt, and feel, it very necessary to qualify a subjective remark which might cause consternation amongst others. I don't want argument. I'm sure there are people who will love No Time to Die.
Surely the raison d'etre of a site called political betting is, er, political betting?
Why on earth would you think that? What are you, a turnip?
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
True enough, what you say there. Although 7 of your list are a totally mystery to me. I mainly know Norwegian Wood from the Cornershop cover, which I think it pretty good but will be obscure for most people.
Apparently Paul McCartney regards "Norwegian Wood" as the most perfect song he ever wrote. He penned it in about 5 minutes, complete. Like Mozart knocking out a sonata
The Beatles are not my favourite band. That would probably be Led Zep. But I can acknowledge the scale of their achievement. They are to popular music was Picasso is to modern art. Just this great protean thing that overwhelms in the size and diversity of the creation, over time
I hate to agree with you twice in a day, but yes. Led Zep.
And yet, weirdly, not that great live, that often. Robert Plant is still magnificent live when he puts his mind to it.
I'm not sure 'greatest ever band' is a lot of use as an idea. It's like saying greatest ever book or greatest ever recipe or greatest ever walk. There's a whole bunch of considerations and the most we can do is probably reach a consensus about a group of achievements in their field for different reasons.
And so, yes, The Beatles for sure would be included.
So too would Pink Floyd, for a number of reasons but Dark Side of the Moon would be sufficient.
Floyd for me, not just for Dark Side, I prefer Animals even though Dark Side Is exceptional.
Also Meddle, Atom Heart Mother, wish you were here. So many great quality tracks.
Dark Side and Wish You Were Here are two of the best albums ever made. 68-70 were poor years though in my opinion. I loved Piper at the Gates of Dawn when I was a teenager, but it sounds a bit silly now. The Wall is depressingly brilliant
I saw the movie when it was released. It was rather disturbing.
I haven’t seen it since but should dig it out.
It’s a shame waters and Gilmour still won’t reconcile.
By the way, I thought No Time to Die was absolutely dire.
Possibly the dullest movie I've ever seen and a good example of why an actor should never be allowed to get above himself and start dictating plots.
It's the only Bond movie I would never see twice.
Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view.
You're fairly new here, you honestly don't need to add this
"Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view."
That is the raison d'etre of the site! And it's good to have you on board
As I got hounded early on a few months back and felt like I'd been mauled in a bear pit I felt, and feel, it very necessary to qualify a subjective remark which might cause consternation amongst others. I don't want argument. I'm sure there are people who will love No Time to Die.
Surely the raison d'etre of a site called political betting is, er, political betting?
Nah, it's pointless pedantry and petulant partisanship.
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
lol
I also missed out Something, Michelle
And Here, There and Everywhere. The most achingly beautiful of all The Beatles' songs. Girl and In My Life should also be on the list.
Well, I'll be stripping my Facebook account right back to the basics (deleting all old albums and posts) and changing my password after this.
Sure, someone will probably still have all the data somewhere - but it will make it a bit harder.
If login credentials have been leaked (even encrypted), doesn't that make it very difficult to bring back? As soon as they do, any easily decrypted accounts will be hacked.
They'd have to re-verify all their users somehow. That probably wouldn't do much for their share price as it might become obvious how many are inactive...
Apparently the data being offered for sale is old and may only be profiles, so it probably isn't that.
Rumour is that they have a routing failure. Unfortunately access to buildings depends on credentials stored on their now inaccessible servers, and all the staff use Messenger/WhatsApp to communicate. Nobody can log in remotely.
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
lol
I also missed out Something, Michelle
I think you should just let it be. Otherwise people will think you were born yesterday.
Let It Be!
Seriously. Fuck. How could I forget Let It Be. A beautiful beautiful song, moving and timeless, about a mother's love for her little son. If someone put that out today we'd all marvel at their genius
And yet I forgot it. That's how good they are. There are so many songs
I was reminded by the thread of Tom Wilson, whose unimpeachable CV as a producer includes both "Like a Rolling Stone" and "The Sound of Silence", as well as the debut albums of Soft Machine, the Mothers of Invention (Zappa), the Velvet Underground (! - not actually produced by Warhol of course), Cecil Taylor (!!) and Sun Ra (!!!).
One watches these things and it’s 50% “this is Boris engaging the people in his inimitable way” and it’s 50% “what utter contempt he has for people”.
I think that’s Boris sending up Boris… so probably (a). I think. Of course he might think it’s convincing in which case (b)… but that’s inconceivable because…
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
True enough, what you say there. Although 7 of your list are a totally mystery to me. I mainly know Norwegian Wood from the Cornershop cover, which I think it pretty good but will be obscure for most people.
Apparently Paul McCartney regards "Norwegian Wood" as the most perfect song he ever wrote. He penned it in about 5 minutes, complete. Like Mozart knocking out a sonata
The Beatles are not my favourite band. That would probably be Led Zep. But I can acknowledge the scale of their achievement. They are to popular music was Picasso is to modern art. Just this great protean thing that overwhelms in the size and diversity of the creation, over time
I hate to agree with you twice in a day, but yes. Led Zep.
And yet, weirdly, not that great live, that often. Robert Plant is still magnificent live when he puts his mind to it.
I'm not sure 'greatest ever band' is a lot of use as an idea. It's like saying greatest ever book or greatest ever recipe or greatest ever walk. There's a whole bunch of considerations and the most we can do is probably reach a consensus about a group of achievements in their field for different reasons.
And so, yes, The Beatles for sure would be included.
So too would Pink Floyd, for a number of reasons but Dark Side of the Moon would be sufficient.
Floyd for me, not just for Dark Side, I prefer Animals even though Dark Side Is exceptional.
Also Meddle, Atom Heart Mother, wish you were here. So many great quality tracks.
Dark Side and Wish You Were Here are two of the best albums ever made. 68-70 were poor years though in my opinion. I loved Piper at the Gates of Dawn when I was a teenager, but it sounds a bit silly now. The Wall is depressingly brilliant
I saw the movie when it was released. It was rather disturbing.
I haven’t seen it since but should dig it out.
It’s a shame waters and Gilmour still won’t reconcile.
I’ve seen it dozens of times. Quite bleak really
I think they have made up to a certain extent, Gilmour guested on Waters last tUK tour for Comfortably Numb
Thought of animals today re Boris and the Pigs (3 diff ones)
By the way, I thought No Time to Die was absolutely dire.
Possibly the dullest movie I've ever seen and a good example of why an actor should never be allowed to get above himself and start dictating plots.
It's the only Bond movie I would never see twice.
Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view.
You're fairly new here, you honestly don't need to add this
"Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view."
That is the raison d'etre of the site! And it's good to have you on board
As I got hounded early on a few months back and felt like I'd been mauled in a bear pit I felt, and feel, it very necessary to qualify a subjective remark which might cause consternation amongst others. I don't want argument. I'm sure there are people who will love No Time to Die.
Surely the raison d'etre of a site called political betting is, er, political betting?
Those new lockdowns must be starting soon then? Look back to your opening posts to see why you were hounded. Mistaken identity as a troll.
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
lol
I also missed out Something, Michelle
I think you should just let it be. Otherwise people will think you were born yesterday.
Let It Be!
Seriously. Fuck. How could I forget Let It Be. A beautiful beautiful song, moving and timeless, about a mother's love for her little son. If someone put that out today we'd all marvel at their genius
And yet I forgot it. That's how good they are. There are so many songs
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
lol
I also missed out Something, Michelle
And Here, There and Everywhere. The most achingly beautiful of all The Beatles' songs. Girl and In My Life should also be on the list.
It is a well-recognised impossibility to finalise a list of the top 20 Beatles songs.
A bit like travelling faster than the speed of light - as you get closer, time slows down.
I was reminded by the thread of Tom Wilson, whose unimpeachable CV as a producer includes both "Like a Rolling Stone" and "The Sound of Silence", as well as the debut albums of Soft Machine, the Mothers of Invention (Zappa), the Velvet Underground (! - not actually produced by Warhol of course), Cecil Taylor (!!) and Sun Ra (!!!).
It should be very difficult to read that list, and still be saying Yebbut Ther Beatles.
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
lol
I also missed out Something, Michelle
And Here, There and Everywhere. The most achingly beautiful of all The Beatles' songs. Girl and In My Life should also be on the list.
Nobody has mentioned “A Day In the Life” which may be the best thing they did.
It’s the emotionally taut, soul-gripping and ultimately cathartic sound of existential ennui. If you listen to it properly, the last chord will leave you “shook”.
If you know it already, listen again just for Ringo’s drumming, which is amazing in its own right.
Yes, quite possibly true. They aren't up there with the Beatles in terms of immense catalogue, but if they'd been given another 5-10 years?
That was one of the eye-opening things for me, when watching the excellent Bohemian Rhapsody - Jesus, just how many brilliant songs did they do?
Elton John, also. A phenomenal career
I am sure I sound like a grizzled old fuck but I get the feeling we won't be watching a movie in 30 years which makes us say "Jesus, just how bloody good was Ed Sheeran?"
I think it's partly just that popular music has lost its cultural vitality.
Bands used to struggle with their second album because they had nothing to write about, but now it's all like that.
Yes, I agree entirely. Popular music has simply declined, in quality. The difference between now and 1967, or 73, or the early 80s, or even the mid 90s, is stark.
This isn't a Fings Aint Wot They Used To Be perspective, either. Art forms rise and fall (and sometimes rise again)
English Verse drama peaked with Shakespeare. It is extremely hard to say it has ever seen those heights again.
English lyric poetry peaked with Byron, Shelley and Keats (et al), and then came a slow descent. Hardly anyone reads poetry now.
Jazz? lol
Sometimes cultures are aware of their decline even as it happens. The italians knew that Mannerism, which replaced the High Renaissance, was a serious Decline and Fall. There was no one to replace Da Vinci, Michelangelo. Raphael - Italy in that era was, artistically, like Barcelona FC during Peak Messi, the team which now loses to Moldovans
We had 30-40 years of brilliant new pop music every year, and now we don't.
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
lol
I also missed out Something, Michelle
I think you should just let it be. Otherwise people will think you were born yesterday.
Let It Be!
Seriously. Fuck. How could I forget Let It Be. A beautiful beautiful song, moving and timeless, about a mother's love for her little son. If someone put that out today we'd all marvel at their genius
And yet I forgot it. That's how good they are. There are so many songs
I really like both The Beatles and Rolling Stones. But I think I prefer The Band.
I’m my view, Beatles and Dylan are god tier, and the Beatles have a slight edge.
Then you have (in no particular order) Bowie, Young, Marley, the Stones, maybe Stevie, Marvin or Prince.
Then everyone else.
Queen (really Freddy) were insanely good but don’t have the depth or breadth. They weren’t an albums band, either.
In the last twenty years only Radiohead, the Arcade Fire and Kanye have nudged at greatness.
With your inclusion of Wonder and Gaye (I assume!) I think some credit needs to be given to the 'Funk Brothers', the Motown house band that played on nearly all of their label's recordings.
On a similar (soul music) vein. I think Amy Winehouse warrants a mention among UK artists of the last 20 years. I've never heard another British singer sing like that.
If you like Amy Winehouse's Back To Black you should check out the record company she recorded it with, Daptone Records, they've made so much good music.
I was reminded by the thread of Tom Wilson, whose unimpeachable CV as a producer includes both "Like a Rolling Stone" and "The Sound of Silence", as well as the debut albums of Soft Machine, the Mothers of Invention (Zappa), the Velvet Underground (! - not actually produced by Warhol of course), Cecil Taylor (!!) and Sun Ra (!!!).
I thought Paul Simon hated what he did to The Sound of Silence? The original recording was just acoustic and then the record company added heavy production without consulting them.
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.
Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.
Good news.
Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.
I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.
Far. Too. Long.
Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.
I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.
But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.
As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.
And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub
So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band
I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them
Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled
I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked
Help Ticket to Ride Twist and Shout Norwegian Wood Get Back The Long and Winding Road Hey Jude Yellow Submarine Paperback Writer Across the Universe Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da When I'm 64 Yesterday Here Comes The Sun And I Love Her A Day in the Life Eleanor Rigby All You Need is Love Love Love Me Do She Loves You Penny Lane Strawberry Fields
There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more
That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
lol
I also missed out Something, Michelle
I think you should just let it be. Otherwise people will think you were born yesterday.
Let It Be!
Seriously. Fuck. How could I forget Let It Be. A beautiful beautiful song, moving and timeless, about a mother's love for her little son. If someone put that out today we'd all marvel at their genius
And yet I forgot it. That's how good they are. There are so many songs
Let It Be. 90 Million Views. It's just a picture of the Beatles
Tax Man? A song whose sentiment will shortly be due for a revival I suspect.
Paul Weller nicked it for ‘Start!’… and improved it I think
Even more shameless was Weller's nicking the intro to ELO's '10538 Overture' for 'Changingman'. I like Weller / The Jam, but some of his plagiarism was rather naughty.
Yes, quite possibly true. They aren't up there with the Beatles in terms of immense catalogue, but if they'd been given another 5-10 years?
That was one of the eye-opening things for me, when watching the excellent Bohemian Rhapsody - Jesus, just how many brilliant songs did they do?
Elton John, also. A phenomenal career
I am sure I sound like a grizzled old fuck but I get the feeling we won't be watching a movie in 30 years which makes us say "Jesus, just how bloody good was Ed Sheeran?"
I think it's partly just that popular music has lost its cultural vitality.
Bands used to struggle with their second album because they had nothing to write about, but now it's all like that.
Yes, I agree entirely. Popular music has simply declined, in quality. The difference between now and 1967, or 73, or the early 80s, or even the mid 90s, is stark.
This isn't a Fings Aint Wot They Used To Be perspective, either. Art forms rise and fall (and sometimes rise again)
English Verse drama peaked with Shakespeare. It is extremely hard to say it has ever seen those heights again.
English lyric poetry peaked with Byron, Shelley and Keats (et al), and then came a slow descent. Hardly anyone reads poetry now.
Jazz? lol
Sometimes cultures are aware of their decline even as it happens. The italians knew that Mannerism, which replaced the High Renaissance, was a serious Decline and Fall. There was no one to replace Da Vinci, Michelangelo. Raphael - Italy in that era was, artistically, like Barcelona FC during Peak Messi, the team which now loses to Moldovans
We had 30-40 years of brilliant new pop music every year, and now we don't.
It's impressive that you have the expertise on contemporary jazz to know that it is currently lol. The rest not surprising because of your career as a writer, but jazz?!
Yes, quite possibly true. They aren't up there with the Beatles in terms of immense catalogue, but if they'd been given another 5-10 years?
That was one of the eye-opening things for me, when watching the excellent Bohemian Rhapsody - Jesus, just how many brilliant songs did they do?
Elton John, also. A phenomenal career
I am sure I sound like a grizzled old fuck but I get the feeling we won't be watching a movie in 30 years which makes us say "Jesus, just how bloody good was Ed Sheeran?"
I think it's partly just that popular music has lost its cultural vitality.
Bands used to struggle with their second album because they had nothing to write about, but now it's all like that.
Yes, I agree entirely. Popular music has simply declined, in quality. The difference between now and 1967, or 73, or the early 80s, or even the mid 90s, is stark.
This isn't a Fings Aint Wot They Used To Be perspective, either. Art forms rise and fall (and sometimes rise again)
English Verse drama peaked with Shakespeare. It is extremely hard to say it has ever seen those heights again.
English lyric poetry peaked with Byron, Shelley and Keats (et al), and then came a slow descent. Hardly anyone reads poetry now.
Jazz? lol
Sometimes cultures are aware of their decline even as it happens. The italians knew that Mannerism, which replaced the High Renaissance, was a serious Decline and Fall. There was no one to replace Da Vinci, Michelangelo. Raphael - Italy in that era was, artistically, like Barcelona FC during Peak Messi, the team which now loses to Moldovans
We had 30-40 years of brilliant new pop music every year, and now we don't.
BiB - that was Real Madrid, you numpty!
But I do agree with you. I actually think the 2000s were alright for music, but the last decade has been pretty rubbish.
One watches these things and it’s 50% “this is Boris engaging the people in his inimitable way” and it’s 50% “what utter contempt he has for people”.
I think that’s Boris sending up Boris… so probably (a). I think. Of course he might think it’s convincing in which case (b)… but that’s inconceivable because…
Quite possible to be both at once. Something that is loved by the fans and winds up the haters. And I'm sure he had fun doing it.
Works very well as long as the fan:hater ratio is roughly 50:50. Maybe even at 40:60.
By the way, I thought No Time to Die was absolutely dire.
Possibly the dullest movie I've ever seen and a good example of why an actor should never be allowed to get above himself and start dictating plots.
It's the only Bond movie I would never see twice.
Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view.
You're fairly new here, you honestly don't need to add this
"Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view."
That is the raison d'etre of the site! And it's good to have you on board
As I got hounded early on a few months back and felt like I'd been mauled in a bear pit I felt, and feel, it very necessary to qualify a subjective remark which might cause consternation amongst others. I don't want argument. I'm sure there are people who will love No Time to Die.
Surely the raison d'etre of a site called political betting is, er, political betting?
Those new lockdowns must be starting soon then? Look back to your opening posts to see why you were hounded. Mistaken identity as a troll.
Not really and that's typical of the (mostly male I take it) aggression that is quite simply unnecessary.
I expressed concern that we were by no means out of the woods yet and yes I did pass on a comment from someone in the DfES that they were being prepared for further lockdowns.
The situation is kind of okay but kind of not right now. We're getting by but it could go either way. We may yet be in for a very difficult winter.
As I said back then, be delighted to find my caution is baseless.
None of which means a 'troll' pile-on is edifying. Hopefully a broad spectrum of new people will be welcomed even when they present views that don't follow a certain style.
Yes, quite possibly true. They aren't up there with the Beatles in terms of immense catalogue, but if they'd been given another 5-10 years?
That was one of the eye-opening things for me, when watching the excellent Bohemian Rhapsody - Jesus, just how many brilliant songs did they do?
Elton John, also. A phenomenal career
I am sure I sound like a grizzled old fuck but I get the feeling we won't be watching a movie in 30 years which makes us say "Jesus, just how bloody good was Ed Sheeran?"
I think it's partly just that popular music has lost its cultural vitality.
Bands used to struggle with their second album because they had nothing to write about, but now it's all like that.
Yes, I agree entirely. Popular music has simply declined, in quality. The difference between now and 1967, or 73, or the early 80s, or even the mid 90s, is stark.
This isn't a Fings Aint Wot They Used To Be perspective, either. Art forms rise and fall (and sometimes rise again)
English Verse drama peaked with Shakespeare. It is extremely hard to say it has ever seen those heights again.
English lyric poetry peaked with Byron, Shelley and Keats (et al), and then came a slow descent. Hardly anyone reads poetry now.
Jazz? lol
Sometimes cultures are aware of their decline even as it happens. The italians knew that Mannerism, which replaced the High Renaissance, was a serious Decline and Fall. There was no one to replace Da Vinci, Michelangelo. Raphael - Italy in that era was, artistically, like Barcelona FC during Peak Messi, the team which now loses to Moldovans
We had 30-40 years of brilliant new pop music every year, and now we don't.
Modern formats don’t help, of course. The great pop peak (1963 to ?1997) was made possibly by the LP, which expanded the limit available to the pop “composer” but also set a limit of around 50 minutes.
Now, Spotify.
I saw a big billboard for the “new album” from some band the other day and I thought, album? ALBUM?
I was reminded by the thread of Tom Wilson, whose unimpeachable CV as a producer includes both "Like a Rolling Stone" and "The Sound of Silence", as well as the debut albums of Soft Machine, the Mothers of Invention (Zappa), the Velvet Underground (! - not actually produced by Warhol of course), Cecil Taylor (!!) and Sun Ra (!!!).
I thought Paul Simon hated what he did to The Sound of Silence? The original recording was just acoustic and then the record company added heavy production without consulting them.
He must love the Disturbed version, then.
Which I think is so good that in years to come people will hear the S & G version and think "Why are these twats mangling this classic like this?"
Nobody has mentioned “A Day In the Life” which may be the best thing they did.
It’s the emotionally taut, soul-gripping and ultimately cathartic sound of existential ennui. If you listen to it properly, the last chord will leave you “shook”.
If you know it already, listen again just for Ringo’s drumming, which is amazing in its own right.
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Norwegian Wood always sounds like a subscribers only number on pornhub.
Holiday
Burning Up
Lucky Star
Get Into The Groove
Like a Virgin
Material Girl
True Blue
Papa Don't Preach
La Isla Bonita
Open Your Heart
Live To Tell
Crazy For You
Like a Prayer
Express Yourself
Cherish
Oh Father
Keep It Together
Vogue
Human Nature
Music
Hung Up
What's happening?
But would you date him ... ?
Sure, someone will probably still have all the data somewhere - but it will make it a bit harder.
https://twitter.com/borisjohnson/status/1445104926431006722?s=21
I'm not sure 'greatest ever band' is a lot of use as an idea. It's like saying greatest ever book or greatest ever recipe or greatest ever walk. There's a whole bunch of considerations and the most we can do is probably reach a consensus about a group of achievements in their field for different reasons.
And so, yes, The Beatles for sure would be included.
So too would Pink Floyd, for a number of reasons but Dark Side of the Moon would be sufficient.
This is a cultural revolution; and based on the comments I read on here, it is clear that people have a very poor grasp of it. It has been brewing for many years; but won its main battles in 2020 and those of us who oppose it are in retreat; fighting rear guard actions to protect the few remaining bastions of the old liberal order.
My hunch is that the next GE will go a little bit like 1987 to 1992. A big majority will look as if it's going to be wiped out, then the tory tabloids will do their thing and see Bojo back over the line with a narrow majority.
Lord knows what happened to her.
I think the comparison with Picasso is apt. If you listen to the songs from 1963 then those from just five years later it's a complete revolution in pop.
Listen to music from 2016 or 2011, or 2006... and it sounds much like today's.
I even rather like Revolution Number 9.
Possibly the dullest movie I've ever seen and a good example of why an actor should never be allowed to get above himself and start dictating plots.
It's the only Bond movie I would never see twice.
Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view.
That was one of the eye-opening things for me, when watching the excellent Bohemian Rhapsody - Jesus, just how many brilliant songs did they do?
Elton John, also. A phenomenal career
I am sure I sound like a grizzled old fuck but I get the feeling we won't be watching a movie in 30 years which makes us say "Jesus, just how bloody good was Ed Sheeran?"
A stunning song.
They'd have to re-verify all their users somehow. That probably wouldn't do much for their share price as it might become obvious how many are inactive...
"Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view."
That is the raison d'etre of the site! And it's good to have you on board
Bands used to struggle with their second album because they had nothing to write about, but now it's all like that.
It became very clear to me I'd never get on there and nor would I get any opportunities.
Yes, I got another job - that's a big step up for me - after many months of looking. And, yes, I suspect my current firm is going down the tubes as it pursues weird peccadilloes that defy common business sense but it was still a unpleasant place to be in that I wouldn't wish on anyone.
We haven't seen the last of it.
Surely the raison d'etre of a site called political betting is, er, political betting?
Then you have (in no particular order) Bowie, Young, Marley, the Stones, maybe Stevie, Marvin or Prince.
Then everyone else.
Queen (really Freddy) were insanely good but don’t have the depth or breadth. They weren’t an albums band, either.
In the last twenty years only Radiohead, the Arcade Fire and Kanye have nudged at greatness.
Also Meddle, Atom Heart Mother, wish you were here. So many great quality tracks.
Got to say The Beatles did some great songs across every period of their career, from the straightforward early love songs (She Loves You, Please Please Me) to first signs of anguish (Help) to the latter rockier stages (Dont Let Me Down, I want You (She's So Heavy)
I always liked Polythene Pam, referencing the yeah yeah yeah years with overdone scouse accent
Seriously. Fuck. How could I forget Let It Be. A beautiful beautiful song, moving and timeless, about a mother's love for her little son. If someone put that out today we'd all marvel at their genius
And yet I forgot it. That's how good they are. There are so many songs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDYfEBY9NM4
Let It Be. 90 Million Views. It's just a picture of the Beatles
Occasionally we do political betting as well.
Later successful artists had much more competition for chart success.
But their output over 20 years before Freddie died did not match what the Beatles produced in <10. Another 5-10 years of Queen with Mercury would have been fantastic but would not have closed the gap imo.
1967 was probably the peak moment for creativity in pop history. There were lots at it.
I haven’t seen it since but should dig it out.
It’s a shame waters and Gilmour still won’t reconcile.
Rumour is that they have a routing failure. Unfortunately access to buildings depends on credentials stored on their now inaccessible servers, and all the staff use Messenger/WhatsApp to communicate. Nobody can log in remotely.
This could take a while...
https://niccolo.substack.com/p/the-khyber-pass-interview-murtaza
I think they have made up to a certain extent, Gilmour guested on Waters last tUK tour for Comfortably Numb
Thought of animals today re Boris and the Pigs (3 diff ones)
A bit like travelling faster than the speed of light - as you get closer, time slows down.
It’s the emotionally taut, soul-gripping and ultimately cathartic sound of existential ennui. If you listen to it properly, the last chord will leave you “shook”.
If you know it already, listen again just for Ringo’s drumming, which is amazing in its own right.
This isn't a Fings Aint Wot They Used To Be perspective, either. Art forms rise and fall (and sometimes rise again)
English Verse drama peaked with Shakespeare. It is extremely hard to say it has ever seen those heights again.
English lyric poetry peaked with Byron, Shelley and Keats (et al), and then came a slow descent. Hardly anyone reads poetry now.
Jazz? lol
Sometimes cultures are aware of their decline even as it happens. The italians knew that Mannerism, which replaced the High Renaissance, was a serious Decline and Fall. There was no one to replace Da Vinci, Michelangelo. Raphael - Italy in that era was, artistically, like Barcelona FC during Peak Messi, the team which now loses to Moldovans
We had 30-40 years of brilliant new pop music every year, and now we don't.
On a similar (soul music) vein. I think Amy Winehouse warrants a mention among UK artists of the last 20 years. I've never heard another British singer sing like that.
If you like Amy Winehouse's Back To Black you should check out the record company she recorded it with, Daptone Records, they've made so much good music.
The world is going up in flames
Watching the new Labour biopic, Blair sounds remarkably similar to Sunak. Has anyone ever seen them together in the same room?
But I do agree with you. I actually think the 2000s were alright for music, but the last decade has been pretty rubbish.
Works very well as long as the fan:hater ratio is roughly 50:50. Maybe even at 40:60.
I expressed concern that we were by no means out of the woods yet and yes I did pass on a comment from someone in the DfES that they were being prepared for further lockdowns.
The situation is kind of okay but kind of not right now. We're getting by but it could go either way. We may yet be in for a very difficult winter.
As I said back then, be delighted to find my caution is baseless.
None of which means a 'troll' pile-on is edifying. Hopefully a broad spectrum of new people will be welcomed even when they present views that don't follow a certain style.
The great pop peak (1963 to ?1997) was made possibly by the LP, which expanded the limit available to the pop “composer” but also set a limit of around 50 minutes.
Now, Spotify.
I saw a big billboard for the “new album” from some band the other day and I thought, album? ALBUM?
It was like seeing an ad for fax machines.
The Beatles also appear in the Dr Who story, the chase, playing ticket to ride.
Which I think is so good that in years to come people will hear the S & G version and think "Why are these twats mangling this classic like this?"