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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,965
    Nigelb said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    tlg86 said:

    Everything under the Facebook umbrella is down.

    No WhatsApp, no Insta, and no Facebook.

    How will the world cope?
    WhatsApp is my primary communication tool.
    I thought the FCA took a very dim view of regulated personnel using encrypted communication systems?
    They do.

    Work related WhatsApp messages are usually a variation of 'Read your fecking emails!'
    We don’t even allow WhatsApp in our sandbox
    I haven't played in a sandbox since I was five.

    My top six:

    The Living Daylights
    Casino Royale
    Goldeneye
    OHMSS
    Spy Who Loved Me
    Goldfinger

    Also, soft spots for Octopussy, For Your Eyes Only, Thunderball, From Russia with Love and Live and Let Die. A View to A Kill if only for Christopher Walken.

    Die Another Day and Diamonds are Forever are embarrassing.

    Solid list.

    Have you seen Time yet? I’ll be interested to hear your view of it.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,501
    Farooq said:

    MattW said:

    Farooq said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Mastermind behind Insulate Britain eco-mob says he would have refused to move for crying woman trying to get to mother, 81, in hospital and would block an ambulance with dying patient inside after activists brought three London routes to standstill "

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

    I'm never one to support vigilante violence. But...
    but what?
    But if this continues with ER, who knows what will happen.

    If they continue to put the lives of vulnerable people at risk, then they will incite a riot, and they may just get one.
    Replace ER with IDS, and you get what's happened today in Manchester.
    And it's wrong.
    IDS is not preventing hospital patients getting to hospital, or setting up barricades to decide which patients are allowed through.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,235
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,965
    tlg86 said:

    My top six:

    The Living Daylights
    Casino Royale
    Goldeneye
    OHMSS
    Spy Who Loved Me
    Goldfinger

    Also, soft spots for Octopussy, For Your Eyes Only, Thunderball, From Russia with Love and Live and Let Die. A View to A Kill if only for Christopher Walken.

    Die Another Day and Diamonds are Forever are embarrassing.

    TMWTGG isn’t popular, but Christopher Lee was brilliant.
    Some of the sets look as if they have been pulled together on Blue Peter.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,320
    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    kjh said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    FPT @Selebian. I think you're blind to the issue here - I'll highlight two main points the article makes:

    (1) "In a recent report on academic freedom in the U.S., the U.K., and Canada for the Center for the Study of Partisanship and Ideology, I found that 40 percent of American academics would not hire a known Trump supporter, and 33 percent of British academics would avoid hiring a known Brexit supporter. When it comes to refereeing papers, grant bids, and promotion applications, my own work and that of others indicates that the likelihood of an academic’s discriminating against an openly conservative submission is as high as 45 percent. On a four-person panel, that makes discrimination a near certainty."

    (2) "In the 1960s there were only one and a half journalists and academics on the left for every one on the right. Today that ratio is between four to one and six to one, and considerably higher among political journalists and social-science and humanities academics. In a report on academia for the Manhattan Institute, I noted that left-leaning social-science and humanities academics now outnumber those on the right in Britain by nine to one, and in the U.S. by 14 to one. Work by Mitchell Langbert using voter-registration data for the top liberal-arts colleges and universities (for five disciplines) also shows lopsided ratios. At Harvard, for instance, a recent inquiry reported a $250-to-$1 Democrat-to-Republican donation ratio among the staff."

    It's not enough for there to be "legal" protections - hard to access, prove and leverage - because an institutional culture of intolerance creates an environment that is suffocating to those already employed and inhibits any future recruitment to correct it. This means even fewer conservatives apply in the first place and thus reinforces a monoculture.

    Those that are employed (like my friend at the University of Bath, for example, or me at the Woke firm I've just left) "fear losing (their) job or missing out on job opportunities if (their) political views became known.” And so, as in authoritarian regimes, dissenters keep their views to themselves through preference falsification. This has been precisely my experience.

    It's a problem for all of us because these institutions form a large part of our civic society - arbitrating between the citizen and the state - and thus contributes to polarisation within it.

    It needs to be addressed.

    The website would only let me read the opening few paragraphs of the article, sadly, but the overall tone struck me as dishonest. It started with this dramatic statistic from the dating site, then extrapolated this to discrimination in hiring, despite these being completely different and indeed unrelated things (for instance, I wouldn't date a man but I would hire one).
    In my own field of economics there is a range of political views. In academia there is a left wing skew, in markets there is a right wing skew. This seems entirely understandable when you think of the likely difference in motivations and values between the two industries. Academia has got more left wing over the years, but then it has also become much worse paid, in relative terms, and those facts are probably related (we might argue over the direction of causation!). As a left wing person working in the markets I don't complain about the dearth of ideological soulmates, I don't know why right wing academics are so snowflakey about it.
    I have collaborated in academic research with people of various political stripes including Conservative US Republicans. In my experience, research with a clear ideological skew, left or right, is most likely bad research. The goal should be uncovering the truth, not advancing an agenda. Of course, if I were an ideological hack flogging policy-based evidence-making I might feel like I was getting discriminated when my research got rejected by top journals - but the likelihood is that the research was just bad.
    I do recall attending a very right-leaning conference where there was a lot of moaning about the Liberal bias in US academia, but the conference was lavishly funded by Conservative benefactors and hosted at a top Ivy League school so the whole complaint rang a little hollow to me. It had a strong whiff of privileges being defended.
    There's some good points in here - including your admirable acknowledgement that research with a clear ideological skew is poor research - but why is your first instinct to attack Eric Kauffman's honesty?

    He's a respected Canadian Academic (of mixed Chinese, Hispanic and European ancestry) working in a British university. He cited a variety of studies in making his points, and they're all respectable ones.

    We need to get past the ad hominum into the specifics. Far too many of the responses to articles like this run along the lines of "he's making it up" and "I don't see any of this, so it can't be true".

    What I'm interested in is everyone feeling able and willing to discuss their views and differences openly. That has to start with less prejudgement, more listening, and more forgiveness, and it's that I'm interested in.

    It's the only way to confine polarisation to the fringes where it belongs, rather than it being part of the mainstream, and we have to work harder and harder at it in the social media age, not less.
    All great points but I think you cut too much slack to Trumpery. It shouldn't be viewed like, say, being a Tory, a Brexiter, a social democrat, a "classic liberal", a small state libertarian, or whatever. He's a hate monger and those who lap that up can't expect it not to be held against them by those who don't.
    I would judge Trump very differently from one of his voters, who include plenty of ordinary Americans, and give them the benefit of the doubt.
    Of course lots of decent people voted for him. This must be the case given the numbers. Nevertheless he has colonized the Republican party, which is both chastening and frightening to somebody like me who takes a broadly sunny-side-up view of humanity, so I'm afraid I'm the other way around to you in that I'd be a touch wary of a person who I know voted for him until I get some evidence they did it reluctantly and despite the hate he throws out and for want of (in their eyes) a viable alternative. Pls note I do NOT feel this way about Leavers and Tories etc. It's a Trump thing.
    So, in your eyes they are guilty until proven innocent?

    Charming.

    The reason you might not feel that way about Leavers and Tories is because you've been engaging with so many of us on here for so long that you realise the world isn't that simple.

    That's precisely my point.
    From my point of view I can see rational reasons for voting Tory and although many who voted leave I think did so for irrational* reasons, there are clearly many who did for completely rational reasons.

    It is difficult to see any rational reason for voting for Trump, which is why the scale of his vote is so scary.


    * Two of my favourites from personal conversations were: There are too many 'coloureds' here already and the criminal gangs are all Albanian.
    If you were living in small town Hicksville, Flyover State in 2016, and had seen either a) your wages remain static since the previous century while the millionaires on the coast became billionaires, and/or b) the only major employer in your town decamp elsewhere while more and more of the stuff you used to make get imported from China and/or c) the social fabric of your town fraying, do you vote for a) more of the same, in the person and party of a candidate who appears to view you and your ilk as at best something of an embarrassment, or b) Trump? I don't like the man. But I can see why people voted for him.
    I actually understand voting for Trump more than voting for Brexit. In that the US in 2016 was clearly a broken society failing the majority of its citizens, as evident in phenomena like falling life expectancy and the opioid epidemic. I don't think the UK was experiencing the same level of political failure and social fracture before 2016. Although, interestingly, it seems to be now!
    I can understand someone voting Trump or Brexit.

    Doesn’t mean I want to employ, date, or consort with such.
    It's interesting you say you wouldn't want to employ them, which is precisely the point I made on this thread and the previous thread that @Selebian said would never happen and I'd made up.
    Oh, Casino! That's a fairly good description of exactly what I did not say!

    I said a number of things:
    - American conservatives are snowflakes (not all, to be sure, but some)
    - The research I've seen on the terrible time right wing people have in academia is poor quality
    - In my experience, you would not have the necessary information to discriminate against conservatives or brexiters in employment decisions or funding applications
    - A larger number of left wing people in academia might be a combination of left and right wing people being different and pursuing different careers, perceptions (pushed by conservatives, that academia hates conservatives) and some reality
    - Anyone who would discriminate on politics should be sacked
    - My own experience is different to what is claimed, including one example where I pushed back on wokeness and was backed up by the department and HR

    I did not say there is definitively no discrimination and I did not speak beyond academia, indeed not even beyond UK academia.

    I want you to know that I fully respect your lived experience as a much put upon and despised conservative and the way it has ruined your career all the way to becoming I director (I think?). I hope you find a safeish place on PB. I do not want you cancelled :kissing_heart:
    We move ever so slightly closer but my beef with you is your casual dismissal of the evidence, unless it's totally fucking naked and obvious to you it doesn't exist, and I now see you've replaced it with "lived experience", which is just patronising.

    My advice to you would be to drop this now and just go away with a commitment to have a think about how the perserve effects of insidious institutional cultures can affect those institutions we all rely upon in civic society, and why that's a bad thing.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,077
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
    lol

    I also missed out Something, Michelle
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,235
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
    lol

    I also missed out Something, Michelle
    It truly is an insane back catalogue. There's nothing else quite like it and if I was restricted to a top 10 songs I would probably prefer the Stones.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    kle4 said:

    The Beatles are good, and I'm able to accept they were revolutionary or whatever, but the worship some people have for their stuff is just another example of fanaticism being bloody weird. It's not enough that people like it, it must be raised high, and imitators denigrated.

    The Moody Blues on the other hand, now that was a band alright.

    "I like all the bands. I've got a broad taste, you know, from the Britpop bands, like UB40, Def Leppard, right back to classic rock, like Wings."
    "Who's Wings?"
    "They're only the band The Beatles could have been."
    Very amusing, but he's not wrong. Band on the Run, Jet, C Moon, Venus and Mars, Rock Show are the Beatles, done right. The paradox is: also Mull of Kintyre, Ebony n Ivory, Silly Love Songs etc.
    You have a remarkable knowledge of Wings for someone who thinks the Beatles were meh.

    C Moon was a b-side to a track that was banned by the BBC!

    I can only assume you’re a tedious troll in music, as you are in politics.
    Still not recovered from your catastrophic belly flop over raducanu and immigration at Wimbledon time? Sorry to hear it.

    I don't understand your point. Why would I have any opinion at all about the Beatles, or Wings, or anyone else if I didn't know their work?
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,145

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    kle4 said:

    The Beatles are good, and I'm able to accept they were revolutionary or whatever, but the worship some people have for their stuff is just another example of fanaticism being bloody weird. It's not enough that people like it, it must be raised high, and imitators denigrated.

    The Moody Blues on the other hand, now that was a band alright.

    "I like all the bands. I've got a broad taste, you know, from the Britpop bands, like UB40, Def Leppard, right back to classic rock, like Wings."
    "Who's Wings?"
    "They're only the band The Beatles could have been."
    Very amusing, but he's not wrong. Band on the Run, Jet, C Moon, Venus and Mars, Rock Show are the Beatles, done right. The paradox is: also Mull of Kintyre, Ebony n Ivory, Silly Love Songs etc.
    You have a remarkable knowledge of Wings for someone who thinks the Beatles were meh.

    C Moon was a b-side to a track that was banned by the BBC!

    I can only assume you’re a tedious troll in music, as you are in politics.
    I suspect you are right on that.

    Ebony and Ivory wasn’t even Wings.

    The Beatles are a band I personally love, from their early basic guitar based music to their more musical later stuff.

    Presume the banned track was the one about giving Ireland to the Irish.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962
    felix said:

    HYUFD said:

    5 people have now been arrested by GM police after the attack on IDS

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58787799

    BBC:

    'Sir Iain Duncan Smith said he was walking to a meeting in Manchester city centre when a group of people called him "Tory scum" and tried to hit him with a traffic cone. '

    Mow where might they have got the idea of calling him 'scum' I wonder?
    The trouble with scum is that it always rises to the top.

    Hat tip, Rees-Mogg. ;)
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    I don’t even think they pumped out a lot of dross.
    Their commitment to quality was one of the many things that set them apart.

    Even a slight song like “Hey Bulldog”, referenced above, motors along with a charismatic bluesy grunt.

    I can only think of one or two songs that I don’t think bear re-listening to.

    Critics now just accept that Lennon/McCartney are up there with, if not better than, Irving Berlin or Rodgers/Hammerstein etc

    And that’s just the song writing.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
    lol

    I also missed out Something, Michelle
    You've got to hide your love away
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Taz said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    kle4 said:

    The Beatles are good, and I'm able to accept they were revolutionary or whatever, but the worship some people have for their stuff is just another example of fanaticism being bloody weird. It's not enough that people like it, it must be raised high, and imitators denigrated.

    The Moody Blues on the other hand, now that was a band alright.

    "I like all the bands. I've got a broad taste, you know, from the Britpop bands, like UB40, Def Leppard, right back to classic rock, like Wings."
    "Who's Wings?"
    "They're only the band The Beatles could have been."
    Very amusing, but he's not wrong. Band on the Run, Jet, C Moon, Venus and Mars, Rock Show are the Beatles, done right. The paradox is: also Mull of Kintyre, Ebony n Ivory, Silly Love Songs etc.
    You have a remarkable knowledge of Wings for someone who thinks the Beatles were meh.

    C Moon was a b-side to a track that was banned by the BBC!

    I can only assume you’re a tedious troll in music, as you are in politics.
    I suspect you are right on that.

    Ebony and Ivory wasn’t even Wings.

    The Beatles are a band I personally love, from their early basic guitar based music to their more musical later stuff.

    Presume the banned track was the one about giving Ireland to the Irish.
    Jesus Christ. I know it wasn't fucking Wings. Let's all have a big think though, shall we, and try to think of two things it has in common with Wings? Fill in the gaps: it involved Paul ____, and it was post the B_______.

    It must be fucking embarrassing, being you.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,320

    Nigelb said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    tlg86 said:

    Everything under the Facebook umbrella is down.

    No WhatsApp, no Insta, and no Facebook.

    How will the world cope?
    WhatsApp is my primary communication tool.
    I thought the FCA took a very dim view of regulated personnel using encrypted communication systems?
    They do.

    Work related WhatsApp messages are usually a variation of 'Read your fecking emails!'
    We don’t even allow WhatsApp in our sandbox
    I haven't played in a sandbox since I was five.

    My top six:

    The Living Daylights
    Casino Royale
    Goldeneye
    OHMSS
    Spy Who Loved Me
    Goldfinger

    Also, soft spots for Octopussy, For Your Eyes Only, Thunderball, From Russia with Love and Live and Let Die. A View to A Kill if only for Christopher Walken.

    Die Another Day and Diamonds are Forever are embarrassing.

    Solid list.

    Have you seen Time yet? I’ll be interested to hear your view of it.
    Friday night, hopefully.
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    tlg86 said:

    What do you do, if you don’t mind me asking? Interesting to hear of someone with a job to go back to at the very end of furlough.


    Glad to hear you're back at work. We've not been funding it, the next few generations have (unwittingly).

    Do mind me asking what sector you are in?

    Don't mind at all. I work in publishing, for a magazine. My boss has had me and one other person furloughed for the whole time as we both have health issues and he figured it was the best way to keep us safe. I've done a few bits of work from home for them over the last 18 months, but probably less than a fortnight's worth.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,077
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
    lol

    I also missed out Something, Michelle
    It truly is an insane back catalogue. There's nothing else quite like it and if I was restricted to a top 10 songs I would probably prefer the Stones.
    Yes, me too.

    A band or musician is considered notable today if they put out three or four famous songs.

    The Beatles' achievement (even if they are not my favourite band) is in a different league. I doubt it will ever happen again
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    MattW said:

    Farooq said:

    MattW said:

    Farooq said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Mastermind behind Insulate Britain eco-mob says he would have refused to move for crying woman trying to get to mother, 81, in hospital and would block an ambulance with dying patient inside after activists brought three London routes to standstill "

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

    I'm never one to support vigilante violence. But...
    but what?
    But if this continues with ER, who knows what will happen.

    If they continue to put the lives of vulnerable people at risk, then they will incite a riot, and they may just get one.
    Replace ER with IDS, and you get what's happened today in Manchester.
    And it's wrong.
    IDS is not preventing hospital patients getting to hospital, or setting up barricades to decide which patients are allowed through.
    I imagine the people who hit him are pretty convinced that his policies have cost many lives, though.
    Anyway, my point is that though it's wrong to do what IDS has done, and wrong to block ambulances, taking matters into your hands in the way you're darkly hinting at is also wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right. Just... don't attack people in the street, ok?
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    SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,431
    MaxPB said:

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    kjh said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    FPT @Selebian. I think you're blind to the issue here - I'll highlight two main points the article makes:

    (1) "In a recent report on academic freedom in the U.S., the U.K., and Canada for the Center for the Study of Partisanship and Ideology, I found that 40 percent of American academics would not hire a known Trump supporter, and 33 percent of British academics would avoid hiring a known Brexit supporter. When it comes to refereeing papers, grant bids, and promotion applications, my own work and that of others indicates that the likelihood of an academic’s discriminating against an openly conservative submission is as high as 45 percent. On a four-person panel, that makes discrimination a near certainty."

    (2) "In the 1960s there were only one and a half journalists and academics on the left for every one on the right. Today that ratio is between four to one and six to one, and considerably higher among political journalists and social-science and humanities academics. In a report on academia for the Manhattan Institute, I noted that left-leaning social-science and humanities academics now outnumber those on the right in Britain by nine to one, and in the U.S. by 14 to one. Work by Mitchell Langbert using voter-registration data for the top liberal-arts colleges and universities (for five disciplines) also shows lopsided ratios. At Harvard, for instance, a recent inquiry reported a $250-to-$1 Democrat-to-Republican donation ratio among the staff."

    It's not enough for there to be "legal" protections - hard to access, prove and leverage - because an institutional culture of intolerance creates an environment that is suffocating to those already employed and inhibits any future recruitment to correct it. This means even fewer conservatives apply in the first place and thus reinforces a monoculture.

    Those that are employed (like my friend at the University of Bath, for example, or me at the Woke firm I've just left) "fear losing (their) job or missing out on job opportunities if (their) political views became known.” And so, as in authoritarian regimes, dissenters keep their views to themselves through preference falsification. This has been precisely my experience.

    It's a problem for all of us because these institutions form a large part of our civic society - arbitrating between the citizen and the state - and thus contributes to polarisation within it.

    It needs to be addressed.

    The website would only let me read the opening few paragraphs of the article, sadly, but the overall tone struck me as dishonest. It started with this dramatic statistic from the dating site, then extrapolated this to discrimination in hiring, despite these being completely different and indeed unrelated things (for instance, I wouldn't date a man but I would hire one).
    In my own field of economics there is a range of political views. In academia there is a left wing skew, in markets there is a right wing skew. This seems entirely understandable when you think of the likely difference in motivations and values between the two industries. Academia has got more left wing over the years, but then it has also become much worse paid, in relative terms, and those facts are probably related (we might argue over the direction of causation!). As a left wing person working in the markets I don't complain about the dearth of ideological soulmates, I don't know why right wing academics are so snowflakey about it.
    I have collaborated in academic research with people of various political stripes including Conservative US Republicans. In my experience, research with a clear ideological skew, left or right, is most likely bad research. The goal should be uncovering the truth, not advancing an agenda. Of course, if I were an ideological hack flogging policy-based evidence-making I might feel like I was getting discriminated when my research got rejected by top journals - but the likelihood is that the research was just bad.
    I do recall attending a very right-leaning conference where there was a lot of moaning about the Liberal bias in US academia, but the conference was lavishly funded by Conservative benefactors and hosted at a top Ivy League school so the whole complaint rang a little hollow to me. It had a strong whiff of privileges being defended.
    There's some good points in here - including your admirable acknowledgement that research with a clear ideological skew is poor research - but why is your first instinct to attack Eric Kauffman's honesty?

    He's a respected Canadian Academic (of mixed Chinese, Hispanic and European ancestry) working in a British university. He cited a variety of studies in making his points, and they're all respectable ones.

    We need to get past the ad hominum into the specifics. Far too many of the responses to articles like this run along the lines of "he's making it up" and "I don't see any of this, so it can't be true".

    What I'm interested in is everyone feeling able and willing to discuss their views and differences openly. That has to start with less prejudgement, more listening, and more forgiveness, and it's that I'm interested in.

    It's the only way to confine polarisation to the fringes where it belongs, rather than it being part of the mainstream, and we have to work harder and harder at it in the social media age, not less.
    All great points but I think you cut too much slack to Trumpery. It shouldn't be viewed like, say, being a Tory, a Brexiter, a social democrat, a "classic liberal", a small state libertarian, or whatever. He's a hate monger and those who lap that up can't expect it not to be held against them by those who don't.
    I would judge Trump very differently from one of his voters, who include plenty of ordinary Americans, and give them the benefit of the doubt.
    Of course lots of decent people voted for him. This must be the case given the numbers. Nevertheless he has colonized the Republican party, which is both chastening and frightening to somebody like me who takes a broadly sunny-side-up view of humanity, so I'm afraid I'm the other way around to you in that I'd be a touch wary of a person who I know voted for him until I get some evidence they did it reluctantly and despite the hate he throws out and for want of (in their eyes) a viable alternative. Pls note I do NOT feel this way about Leavers and Tories etc. It's a Trump thing.
    So, in your eyes they are guilty until proven innocent?

    Charming.

    The reason you might not feel that way about Leavers and Tories is because you've been engaging with so many of us on here for so long that you realise the world isn't that simple.

    That's precisely my point.
    From my point of view I can see rational reasons for voting Tory and although many who voted leave I think did so for irrational* reasons, there are clearly many who did for completely rational reasons.

    It is difficult to see any rational reason for voting for Trump, which is why the scale of his vote is so scary.


    * Two of my favourites from personal conversations were: There are too many 'coloureds' here already and the criminal gangs are all Albanian.
    If you were living in small town Hicksville, Flyover State in 2016, and had seen either a) your wages remain static since the previous century while the millionaires on the coast became billionaires, and/or b) the only major employer in your town decamp elsewhere while more and more of the stuff you used to make get imported from China and/or c) the social fabric of your town fraying, do you vote for a) more of the same, in the person and party of a candidate who appears to view you and your ilk as at best something of an embarrassment, or b) Trump? I don't like the man. But I can see why people voted for him.
    I actually understand voting for Trump more than voting for Brexit. In that the US in 2016 was clearly a broken society failing the majority of its citizens, as evident in phenomena like falling life expectancy and the opioid epidemic. I don't think the UK was experiencing the same level of political failure and social fracture before 2016. Although, interestingly, it seems to be now!
    I can understand someone voting Trump or Brexit.

    Doesn’t mean I want to employ, date, or consort with such.
    It's interesting you say you wouldn't want to employ them, which is precisely the point I made on this thread and the previous thread that @Selebian said would never happen and I'd made up.
    Oh, Casino! That's a fairly good description of exactly what I did not say!

    I said a number of things:
    - American conservatives are snowflakes (not all, to be sure, but some)
    - The research I've seen on the terrible time right wing people have in academia is poor quality
    - In my experience, you would not have the necessary information to discriminate against conservatives or brexiters in employment decisions or funding applications
    - A larger number of left wing people in academia might be a combination of left and right wing people being different and pursuing different careers, perceptions (pushed by conservatives, that academia hates conservatives) and some reality
    - Anyone who would discriminate on politics should be sacked
    - My own experience is different to what is claimed, including one example where I pushed back on wokeness and was backed up by the department and HR

    I did not say there is definitively no discrimination and I did not speak beyond academia, indeed not even beyond UK academia.

    I want you to know that I fully respect your lived experience as a much put upon and despised conservative and the way it has ruined your career all the way to becoming I director (I think?). I hope you find a safeish place on PB. I do not want you cancelled :kissing_heart:
    On the last point, I've found the same. All it usually needs is for one person to say "enough" and suddenly the house of woke cars collapses. When I pointed out that the alignment groups were nothing more than company sponsored segregation by race suddenly all of those directors who were just going along with yet another American cultural import realised exactly what it was they were doing.

    That's what woke is, a house of cards which inevitably collapses.
    In my case it was one person rather than a process. Took frustratingly long to sort it as everything was done by the book, but no one at all supported the craziness that person was pushing.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,341
    edited October 2021
    Farooq said:

    I had my first day back at work today, after a 550 day weekend so a bit of a shock to the system.

    Thanks to all of you who've been working hard and funding my furlough money. I feel a bit embarrassed to say it, but I've really enjoyed it. Money's been a bit tight, but it's still the best pay I've ever had for doing √fa

    I've worked straight through the whole thing, and you're welcome. I don't begrudge some people having won the work lottery. Not that it's been easy on everyone in your situation. Welcome back.
    I've been off work since redundancy 12 months ago. No income. Shame they did not furlough us.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
    lol

    I also missed out Something, Michelle
    You've got to hide your love away
    Yeah, it's all so fucking TWEE though. Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da FFS.

    Norwegian Wood always sounds like a subscribers only number on pornhub.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658
    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    True enough, what you say there. Although 7 of your list are a totally mystery to me.
    I mainly know Norwegian Wood from the Cornershop cover, which I think it pretty good but will be obscure for most people.
    Apparently Paul McCartney regards "Norwegian Wood" as the most perfect song he ever wrote. He penned it in about 5 minutes, complete. Like Mozart knocking out a sonata

    The Beatles are not my favourite band. That would probably be Led Zep. But I can acknowledge the scale of their achievement. They are to popular music was Picasso is to modern art. Just this great protean thing that overwhelms in the size and diversity of the creation, over time
    Norwegian Wood was mainly Lennon's, shirley?
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    Farooq said:

    I had my first day back at work today, after a 550 day weekend so a bit of a shock to the system.

    Thanks to all of you who've been working hard and funding my furlough money. I feel a bit embarrassed to say it, but I've really enjoyed it. Money's been a bit tight, but it's still the best pay I've ever had for doing √fa

    I've worked straight through the whole thing, and you're welcome. I don't begrudge some people having won the work lottery. Not that it's been easy on everyone in your situation. Welcome back.
    I've been off work since redundancy 12 months ago. No income. Shame they did not furlough us.
    I hope you're getting by.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,056
    edited October 2021
    Leon said:

    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    She's become a bit of a joke now, but Madonna was amazingly consistent in her day.

    Holiday
    Burning Up
    Lucky Star
    Get Into The Groove
    Like a Virgin
    Material Girl
    True Blue
    Papa Don't Preach
    La Isla Bonita
    Open Your Heart
    Live To Tell
    Crazy For You
    Like a Prayer
    Express Yourself
    Cherish
    Oh Father
    Keep It Together
    Vogue
    Human Nature
    Music
    Hung Up
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,145

    Honest views of Sunak's speech?

    Never saw it.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
    lol

    I also missed out Something, Michelle
    It truly is an insane back catalogue. There's nothing else quite like it and if I was restricted to a top 10 songs I would probably prefer the Stones.
    Yes, me too.

    A band or musician is considered notable today if they put out three or four famous songs.

    The Beatles' achievement (even if they are not my favourite band) is in a different league. I doubt it will ever happen again
    Each of The Doors, Dylan and Neil Young outclass the Beatles plus the Stones with a mile to spare.
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775
    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    True enough, what you say there. Although 7 of your list are a totally mystery to me.
    I mainly know Norwegian Wood from the Cornershop cover, which I think it pretty good but will be obscure for most people.
    Apparently Paul McCartney regards "Norwegian Wood" as the most perfect song he ever wrote. He penned it in about 5 minutes, complete. Like Mozart knocking out a sonata

    The Beatles are not my favourite band. That would probably be Led Zep. But I can acknowledge the scale of their achievement. They are to popular music was Picasso is to modern art. Just this great protean thing that overwhelms in the size and diversity of the creation, over time
    I hate to agree with you twice in a day, but yes. Led Zep.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,077

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    True enough, what you say there. Although 7 of your list are a totally mystery to me.
    I mainly know Norwegian Wood from the Cornershop cover, which I think it pretty good but will be obscure for most people.
    Apparently Paul McCartney regards "Norwegian Wood" as the most perfect song he ever wrote. He penned it in about 5 minutes, complete. Like Mozart knocking out a sonata

    The Beatles are not my favourite band. That would probably be Led Zep. But I can acknowledge the scale of their achievement. They are to popular music was Picasso is to modern art. Just this great protean thing that overwhelms in the size and diversity of the creation, over time
    Norwegian Wood was mainly Lennon's, shirley?
    Was it? I might be mis-remembering, so my bad, if so. I definitely recall ONE of them saying it was their favourite song
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,320
    Scott_xP said:

    OHMSS has, IMO, the best theme music of any Bond film.

    The whole soundtrack is sublime.
    Wow. I agree with you.

    What's happening?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,541



    It's interesting you say you wouldn't want to employ them, which is precisely the point I made on this thread and the previous thread that @Selebian said would never happen and I'd made up.

    I do feel strongly about this. Perhaps because I used to be a communist, and knew people who were affected by the ridiculous Berufsverbot (which meant that they couldn't even be engine drivers or nurses), I'm very sensitive about not imposing employment restrictions regardless of opinion - I would unhesitatingly employ a fascist or a Trump supporter if they didn't let it get in the way of their work. Their private opinions are none of my business, and I owe it to whoever I work for to select the best people, not people who happen to agree with me. Society is divided enough without creating new artificial divisions.

    For friendship, I would expect it to be a snag, but one that can be outweighed - my oldest friend has ranged from Tory to UKIP to BNP to (currently) Reform, but he's been a good friend for 50 years and we tolerate each others' views with amicable disagreement. There's so much more to people than their political opinions.
    Agreed.
    But would you date him ... ?
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658
    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    kle4 said:

    The Beatles are good, and I'm able to accept they were revolutionary or whatever, but the worship some people have for their stuff is just another example of fanaticism being bloody weird. It's not enough that people like it, it must be raised high, and imitators denigrated.

    The Moody Blues on the other hand, now that was a band alright.

    "I like all the bands. I've got a broad taste, you know, from the Britpop bands, like UB40, Def Leppard, right back to classic rock, like Wings."
    "Who's Wings?"
    "They're only the band The Beatles could have been."
    Very amusing, but he's not wrong. Band on the Run, Jet, C Moon, Venus and Mars, Rock Show are the Beatles, done right. The paradox is: also Mull of Kintyre, Ebony n Ivory, Silly Love Songs etc.
    You have a remarkable knowledge of Wings for someone who thinks the Beatles were meh.

    C Moon was a b-side to a track that was banned by the BBC!

    I can only assume you’re a tedious troll in music, as you are in politics.
    I suspect you are right on that.

    Ebony and Ivory wasn’t even Wings.

    The Beatles are a band I personally love, from their early basic guitar based music to their more musical later stuff.

    Presume the banned track was the one about giving Ireland to the Irish.
    Jesus Christ. I know it wasn't fucking Wings. Let's all have a big think though, shall we, and try to think of two things it has in common with Wings? Fill in the gaps: it involved Paul ____, and it was post the B_______.

    It must be fucking embarrassing, being you.
    Er... You're really the one embarrassing himself. Chill a little.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,077
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
    lol

    I also missed out Something, Michelle
    You've got to hide your love away
    Yeah, it's all so fucking TWEE though. Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da FFS.

    Norwegian Wood always sounds like a subscribers only number on pornhub.
    You're on the sauce again, aren't you?
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    FPT @Selebian. I think you're blind to the issue here - I'll highlight two main points the article makes:

    (1) "In a recent report on academic freedom in the U.S., the U.K., and Canada for the Center for the Study of Partisanship and Ideology, I found that 40 percent of American academics would not hire a known Trump supporter, and 33 percent of British academics would avoid hiring a known Brexit supporter. When it comes to refereeing papers, grant bids, and promotion applications, my own work and that of others indicates that the likelihood of an academic’s discriminating against an openly conservative submission is as high as 45 percent. On a four-person panel, that makes discrimination a near certainty."

    (2) "In the 1960s there were only one and a half journalists and academics on the left for every one on the right. Today that ratio is between four to one and six to one, and considerably higher among political journalists and social-science and humanities academics. In a report on academia for the Manhattan Institute, I noted that left-leaning social-science and humanities academics now outnumber those on the right in Britain by nine to one, and in the U.S. by 14 to one. Work by Mitchell Langbert using voter-registration data for the top liberal-arts colleges and universities (for five disciplines) also shows lopsided ratios. At Harvard, for instance, a recent inquiry reported a $250-to-$1 Democrat-to-Republican donation ratio among the staff."

    It's not enough for there to be "legal" protections - hard to access, prove and leverage - because an institutional culture of intolerance creates an environment that is suffocating to those already employed and inhibits any future recruitment to correct it. This means even fewer conservatives apply in the first place and thus reinforces a monoculture.

    Those that are employed (like my friend at the University of Bath, for example, or me at the Woke firm I've just left) "fear losing (their) job or missing out on job opportunities if (their) political views became known.” And so, as in authoritarian regimes, dissenters keep their views to themselves through preference falsification. This has been precisely my experience.

    It's a problem for all of us because these institutions form a large part of our civic society - arbitrating between the citizen and the state - and thus contributes to polarisation within it.

    It needs to be addressed.

    The website would only let me read the opening few paragraphs of the article, sadly, but the overall tone struck me as dishonest. It started with this dramatic statistic from the dating site, then extrapolated this to discrimination in hiring, despite these being completely different and indeed unrelated things (for instance, I wouldn't date a man but I would hire one).
    In my own field of economics there is a range of political views. In academia there is a left wing skew, in markets there is a right wing skew. This seems entirely understandable when you think of the likely difference in motivations and values between the two industries. Academia has got more left wing over the years, but then it has also become much worse paid, in relative terms, and those facts are probably related (we might argue over the direction of causation!). As a left wing person working in the markets I don't complain about the dearth of ideological soulmates, I don't know why right wing academics are so snowflakey about it.
    I have collaborated in academic research with people of various political stripes including Conservative US Republicans. In my experience, research with a clear ideological skew, left or right, is most likely bad research. The goal should be uncovering the truth, not advancing an agenda. Of course, if I were an ideological hack flogging policy-based evidence-making I might feel like I was getting discriminated when my research got rejected by top journals - but the likelihood is that the research was just bad.
    I do recall attending a very right-leaning conference where there was a lot of moaning about the Liberal bias in US academia, but the conference was lavishly funded by Conservative benefactors and hosted at a top Ivy League school so the whole complaint rang a little hollow to me. It had a strong whiff of privileges being defended.
    There's some good points in here - including your admirable acknowledgement that research with a clear ideological skew is poor research - but why is your first instinct to attack Eric Kauffman's honesty?

    He's a respected Canadian Academic (of mixed Chinese, Hispanic and European ancestry) working in a British university. He cited a variety of studies in making his points, and they're all respectable ones.

    We need to get past the ad hominum into the specifics. Far too many of the responses to articles like this run along the lines of "he's making it up" and "I don't see any of this, so it can't be true".

    What I'm interested in is everyone feeling able and willing to discuss their views and differences openly. That has to start with less prejudgement, more listening, and more forgiveness, and it's that I'm interested in.

    It's the only way to confine polarisation to the fringes where it belongs, rather than it being part of the mainstream, and we have to work harder and harder at it in the social media age, not less.
    All great points but I think you cut too much slack to Trumpery. It shouldn't be viewed like, say, being a Tory, a Brexiter, a social democrat, a "classic liberal", a small state libertarian, or whatever. He's a hate monger and those who lap that up can't expect it not to be held against them by those who don't.
    I would judge Trump very differently from one of his voters, who include plenty of ordinary Americans, and give them the benefit of the doubt.
    Of course lots of decent people voted for him. This must be the case given the numbers. Nevertheless he has colonized the Republican party, which is both chastening and frightening to somebody like me who takes a broadly sunny-side-up view of humanity, so I'm afraid I'm the other way around to you in that I'd be a touch wary of a person who I know voted for him until I get some evidence they did it reluctantly and despite the hate he throws out and for want of (in their eyes) a viable alternative. Pls note I do NOT feel this way about Leavers and Tories etc. It's a Trump thing.
    So, in your eyes they are guilty until proven innocent?

    Charming.

    The reason you might not feel that way about Leavers and Tories is because you've been engaging with so many of us on here for so long that you realise the world isn't that simple.

    That's precisely my point.
    From my point of view I can see rational reasons for voting Tory and although many who voted leave I think did so for irrational* reasons, there are clearly many who did for completely rational reasons.

    It is difficult to see any rational reason for voting for Trump, which is why the scale of his vote is so scary.


    * Two of my favourites from personal conversations were: There are too many 'coloureds' here already and the criminal gangs are all Albanian.
    If you were living in small town Hicksville, Flyover State in 2016, and had seen either a) your wages remain static since the previous century while the millionaires on the coast became billionaires, and/or b) the only major employer in your town decamp elsewhere while more and more of the stuff you used to make get imported from China and/or c) the social fabric of your town fraying, do you vote for a) more of the same, in the person and party of a candidate who appears to view you and your ilk as at best something of an embarrassment, or b) Trump? I don't like the man. But I can see why people voted for him.
    I actually understand voting for Trump more than voting for Brexit. In that the US in 2016 was clearly a broken society failing the majority of its citizens, as evident in phenomena like falling life expectancy and the opioid epidemic. I don't think the UK was experiencing the same level of political failure and social fracture before 2016. Although, interestingly, it seems to be now!
    I can understand someone voting Trump or Brexit.

    Doesn’t mean I want to employ, date, or consort with such.
    It's interesting you say you wouldn't want to employ them, which is precisely the point I made on this thread and the previous thread that @Selebian said would never happen and I'd made up.
    Oh, Casino! That's a fairly good description of exactly what I did not say!

    I said a number of things:
    - American conservatives are snowflakes (not all, to be sure, but some)
    - The research I've seen on the terrible time right wing people have in academia is poor quality
    - In my experience, you would not have the necessary information to discriminate against conservatives or brexiters in employment decisions or funding applications
    - A larger number of left wing people in academia might be a combination of left and right wing people being different and pursuing different careers, perceptions (pushed by conservatives, that academia hates conservatives) and some reality
    - Anyone who would discriminate on politics should be sacked
    - My own experience is different to what is claimed, including one example where I pushed back on wokeness and was backed up by the department and HR

    I did not say there is definitively no discrimination and I did not speak beyond academia, indeed not even beyond UK academia.

    I want you to know that I fully respect your lived experience as a much put upon and despised conservative and the way it has ruined your career all the way to becoming I director (I think?). I hope you find a safeish place on PB. I do not want you cancelled :kissing_heart:
    On the last point, I've found the same. All it usually needs is for one person to say "enough" and suddenly the house of woke cars collapses. When I pointed out that the alignment groups were nothing more than company sponsored segregation by race suddenly all of those directors who were just going along with yet another American cultural import realised exactly what it was they were doing.

    That's what woke is, a house of cards which inevitably collapses.
    In my case it was one person rather than a process. Took frustratingly long to sort it as everything was done by the book, but no one at all supported the craziness that person was pushing.
    Which is very commonplace. One person has the agenda, makes it seem like it is inevitable and anyone who opposes them is made to feel racist/homophobic/transphobic (among others) and that way they ensure no one speaks up. With no opposition suddenly the company is doing stupid woke shit. If one person has that "enough" moment and raises it with HR, it's usually more than enough to derail the whole woke agenda as others will follow that lead and also speak up.
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    Well, I'll be stripping my Facebook account right back to the basics (deleting all old albums and posts) and changing my password after this.

    Sure, someone will probably still have all the data somewhere - but it will make it a bit harder.
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    Does anyone under 30 have views on The Beatles without being an old fogey. It is like your forebears arguing about the best swing band.
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    Brown and Blair: The New Labour Revolution on BBC2 at 9pm
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    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

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    Leon said:

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    Leon said:

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    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

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    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    True enough, what you say there. Although 7 of your list are a totally mystery to me.
    I mainly know Norwegian Wood from the Cornershop cover, which I think it pretty good but will be obscure for most people.
    Apparently Paul McCartney regards "Norwegian Wood" as the most perfect song he ever wrote. He penned it in about 5 minutes, complete. Like Mozart knocking out a sonata

    The Beatles are not my favourite band. That would probably be Led Zep. But I can acknowledge the scale of their achievement. They are to popular music was Picasso is to modern art. Just this great protean thing that overwhelms in the size and diversity of the creation, over time
    I hate to agree with you twice in a day, but yes. Led Zep.
    And yet, weirdly, not that great live, that often. Robert Plant is still magnificent live when he puts his mind to it.

    I'm not sure 'greatest ever band' is a lot of use as an idea. It's like saying greatest ever book or greatest ever recipe or greatest ever walk. There's a whole bunch of considerations and the most we can do is probably reach a consensus about a group of achievements in their field for different reasons.

    And so, yes, The Beatles for sure would be included.

    So too would Pink Floyd, for a number of reasons but Dark Side of the Moon would be sufficient.
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    Well, I'll be stripping my Facebook account right back to the basics (deleting all old albums and posts) and changing my password after this.

    Sure, someone will probably still have all the data somewhere - but it will make it a bit harder.

    For personal data yes if you have some on there but not sure if they can do much with old holiday snaps and family and event photos
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    FPT @Selebian. I think you're blind to the issue here - I'll highlight two main points the article makes:

    (1) "In a recent report on academic freedom in the U.S., the U.K., and Canada for the Center for the Study of Partisanship and Ideology, I found that 40 percent of American academics would not hire a known Trump supporter, and 33 percent of British academics would avoid hiring a known Brexit supporter. When it comes to refereeing papers, grant bids, and promotion applications, my own work and that of others indicates that the likelihood of an academic’s discriminating against an openly conservative submission is as high as 45 percent. On a four-person panel, that makes discrimination a near certainty."

    (2) "In the 1960s there were only one and a half journalists and academics on the left for every one on the right. Today that ratio is between four to one and six to one, and considerably higher among political journalists and social-science and humanities academics. In a report on academia for the Manhattan Institute, I noted that left-leaning social-science and humanities academics now outnumber those on the right in Britain by nine to one, and in the U.S. by 14 to one. Work by Mitchell Langbert using voter-registration data for the top liberal-arts colleges and universities (for five disciplines) also shows lopsided ratios. At Harvard, for instance, a recent inquiry reported a $250-to-$1 Democrat-to-Republican donation ratio among the staff."

    It's not enough for there to be "legal" protections - hard to access, prove and leverage - because an institutional culture of intolerance creates an environment that is suffocating to those already employed and inhibits any future recruitment to correct it. This means even fewer conservatives apply in the first place and thus reinforces a monoculture.

    Those that are employed (like my friend at the University of Bath, for example, or me at the Woke firm I've just left) "fear losing (their) job or missing out on job opportunities if (their) political views became known.” And so, as in authoritarian regimes, dissenters keep their views to themselves through preference falsification. This has been precisely my experience.

    It's a problem for all of us because these institutions form a large part of our civic society - arbitrating between the citizen and the state - and thus contributes to polarisation within it.

    It needs to be addressed.

    The website would only let me read the opening few paragraphs of the article, sadly, but the overall tone struck me as dishonest. It started with this dramatic statistic from the dating site, then extrapolated this to discrimination in hiring, despite these being completely different and indeed unrelated things (for instance, I wouldn't date a man but I would hire one).
    In my own field of economics there is a range of political views. In academia there is a left wing skew, in markets there is a right wing skew. This seems entirely understandable when you think of the likely difference in motivations and values between the two industries. Academia has got more left wing over the years, but then it has also become much worse paid, in relative terms, and those facts are probably related (we might argue over the direction of causation!). As a left wing person working in the markets I don't complain about the dearth of ideological soulmates, I don't know why right wing academics are so snowflakey about it.
    I have collaborated in academic research with people of various political stripes including Conservative US Republicans. In my experience, research with a clear ideological skew, left or right, is most likely bad research. The goal should be uncovering the truth, not advancing an agenda. Of course, if I were an ideological hack flogging policy-based evidence-making I might feel like I was getting discriminated when my research got rejected by top journals - but the likelihood is that the research was just bad.
    I do recall attending a very right-leaning conference where there was a lot of moaning about the Liberal bias in US academia, but the conference was lavishly funded by Conservative benefactors and hosted at a top Ivy League school so the whole complaint rang a little hollow to me. It had a strong whiff of privileges being defended.
    There's some good points in here - including your admirable acknowledgement that research with a clear ideological skew is poor research - but why is your first instinct to attack Eric Kauffman's honesty?

    He's a respected Canadian Academic (of mixed Chinese, Hispanic and European ancestry) working in a British university. He cited a variety of studies in making his points, and they're all respectable ones.

    We need to get past the ad hominum into the specifics. Far too many of the responses to articles like this run along the lines of "he's making it up" and "I don't see any of this, so it can't be true".

    What I'm interested in is everyone feeling able and willing to discuss their views and differences openly. That has to start with less prejudgement, more listening, and more forgiveness, and it's that I'm interested in.

    It's the only way to confine polarisation to the fringes where it belongs, rather than it being part of the mainstream, and we have to work harder and harder at it in the social media age, not less.
    All great points but I think you cut too much slack to Trumpery. It shouldn't be viewed like, say, being a Tory, a Brexiter, a social democrat, a "classic liberal", a small state libertarian, or whatever. He's a hate monger and those who lap that up can't expect it not to be held against them by those who don't.
    I would judge Trump very differently from one of his voters, who include plenty of ordinary Americans, and give them the benefit of the doubt.
    Of course lots of decent people voted for him. This must be the case given the numbers. Nevertheless he has colonized the Republican party, which is both chastening and frightening to somebody like me who takes a broadly sunny-side-up view of humanity, so I'm afraid I'm the other way around to you in that I'd be a touch wary of a person who I know voted for him until I get some evidence they did it reluctantly and despite the hate he throws out and for want of (in their eyes) a viable alternative. Pls note I do NOT feel this way about Leavers and Tories etc. It's a Trump thing.
    So, in your eyes they are guilty until proven innocent?

    Charming.

    The reason you might not feel that way about Leavers and Tories is because you've been engaging with so many of us on here for so long that you realise the world isn't that simple.

    That's precisely my point.
    From my point of view I can see rational reasons for voting Tory and although many who voted leave I think did so for irrational* reasons, there are clearly many who did for completely rational reasons.

    It is difficult to see any rational reason for voting for Trump, which is why the scale of his vote is so scary.


    * Two of my favourites from personal conversations were: There are too many 'coloureds' here already and the criminal gangs are all Albanian.
    If you were living in small town Hicksville, Flyover State in 2016, and had seen either a) your wages remain static since the previous century while the millionaires on the coast became billionaires, and/or b) the only major employer in your town decamp elsewhere while more and more of the stuff you used to make get imported from China and/or c) the social fabric of your town fraying, do you vote for a) more of the same, in the person and party of a candidate who appears to view you and your ilk as at best something of an embarrassment, or b) Trump? I don't like the man. But I can see why people voted for him.
    I actually understand voting for Trump more than voting for Brexit. In that the US in 2016 was clearly a broken society failing the majority of its citizens, as evident in phenomena like falling life expectancy and the opioid epidemic. I don't think the UK was experiencing the same level of political failure and social fracture before 2016. Although, interestingly, it seems to be now!
    I can understand someone voting Trump or Brexit.

    Doesn’t mean I want to employ, date, or consort with such.
    It's interesting you say you wouldn't want to employ them, which is precisely the point I made on this thread and the previous thread that @Selebian said would never happen and I'd made up.
    Oh, Casino! That's a fairly good description of exactly what I did not say!

    I said a number of things:
    - American conservatives are snowflakes (not all, to be sure, but some)
    - The research I've seen on the terrible time right wing people have in academia is poor quality
    - In my experience, you would not have the necessary information to discriminate against conservatives or brexiters in employment decisions or funding applications
    - A larger number of left wing people in academia might be a combination of left and right wing people being different and pursuing different careers, perceptions (pushed by conservatives, that academia hates conservatives) and some reality
    - Anyone who would discriminate on politics should be sacked
    - My own experience is different to what is claimed, including one example where I pushed back on wokeness and was backed up by the department and HR

    I did not say there is definitively no discrimination and I did not speak beyond academia, indeed not even beyond UK academia.

    I want you to know that I fully respect your lived experience as a much put upon and despised conservative and the way it has ruined your career all the way to becoming I director (I think?). I hope you find a safeish place on PB. I do not want you cancelled :kissing_heart:
    On the last point, I've found the same. All it usually needs is for one person to say "enough" and suddenly the house of woke cars collapses. When I pointed out that the alignment groups were nothing more than company sponsored segregation by race suddenly all of those directors who were just going along with yet another American cultural import realised exactly what it was they were doing.

    That's what woke is, a house of cards which inevitably collapses.
    It collapses when the initiatives are actually scrutinised, but one of the unique features of woke thinking is that it tries to avoid scrutiny or debate. This was encapuslated by a Labour MP, who remarked "The very act of debate... is an effective rollback of assumed equality and a foot in the door for doubt and hatred". So people try and enter in to discourse on issues like transgender rights, for instance by questioning whether it is really correct that men at an early stage of transition should have the same rights as those assigned to women, just to find that they are immediately in the realms of unacceptable hate speech.

    This is a cultural revolution; and based on the comments I read on here, it is clear that people have a very poor grasp of it. It has been brewing for many years; but won its main battles in 2020 and those of us who oppose it are in retreat; fighting rear guard actions to protect the few remaining bastions of the old liberal order.

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    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    Oh man the three Hobbit movies were the worst. So much unnecessary filler content that wasn't in the damn book. One 2 hour film would have been perfect for a short book, Peter Jackson should only be given deals without final edit rights.
    The Hobbit was 3 movies long?!
    Which is extraordinary when you consider how short hobbits are :smile:
    And the sub-title of The Hobbit is "There And Back Again", which literally suggests two films at most.
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    Well, I'll be stripping my Facebook account right back to the basics (deleting all old albums and posts) and changing my password after this.

    Sure, someone will probably still have all the data somewhere - but it will make it a bit harder.

    Is there some development? Or just "it's still down"?
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,077

    Leon said:

    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    She's become a bit of a joke now, but Madonna was amazingly consistent in her day.

    Holiday
    Burning Up
    Lucky Star
    Get Into The Groove
    Like a Virgin
    Material Girl
    True Blue
    Papa Don't Preach
    La Isla Bonita
    Open Your Heart
    Live To Tell
    Crazy For You
    Like a Prayer
    Express Yourself
    Cherish
    Oh Father
    Keep It Together
    Vogue
    Human Nature
    Music
    Hung Up
    Not a great fan of Madonna, but I appreciate her talent. However she generally didn't write her own songs, which is a pretty humongous difference with the Beatles
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    Taz said:
    You can be genuinely funny sometimes Boris, you don't need to try so hard.
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    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
    lol

    I also missed out Something, Michelle
    It truly is an insane back catalogue. There's nothing else quite like it and if I was restricted to a top 10 songs I would probably prefer the Stones.
    Yes, me too.

    A band or musician is considered notable today if they put out three or four famous songs.

    The Beatles' achievement (even if they are not my favourite band) is in a different league. I doubt it will ever happen again
    Queen is the only band I can think of that has come close since and could have done as much of a quality catalogue if Freddie Mercury didn't die young.
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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,258
    This MRP swing is significant. It doesn't take much to knock down the tory majority.

    My hunch is that the next GE will go a little bit like 1987 to 1992. A big majority will look as if it's going to be wiped out, then the tory tabloids will do their thing and see Bojo back over the line with a narrow majority.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,320

    Leon said:

    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    She's become a bit of a joke now, but Madonna was amazingly consistent in her day.

    Holiday
    Burning Up
    Lucky Star
    Get Into The Groove
    Like a Virgin
    Material Girl
    True Blue
    Papa Don't Preach
    La Isla Bonita
    Open Your Heart
    Live To Tell
    Crazy For You
    Like a Prayer
    Express Yourself
    Cherish
    Oh Father
    Keep It Together
    Vogue
    Human Nature
    Music
    Hung Up
    And, now, she can't sing for toffee and sounds like Sharon doing terrible Friday night karaoke down the Dog & Duck in Fratton.

    Lord knows what happened to her.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,576

    My top six:

    The Living Daylights
    Casino Royale
    Goldeneye
    OHMSS
    Spy Who Loved Me
    Goldfinger

    Also, soft spots for Octopussy, For Your Eyes Only, Thunderball, From Russia with Love and Live and Let Die. A View to A Kill if only for Christopher Walken.

    Die Another Day and Diamonds are Forever are embarrassing.

    Diamonds Are Forever has some interesting visuals.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Heathener said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    True enough, what you say there. Although 7 of your list are a totally mystery to me.
    I mainly know Norwegian Wood from the Cornershop cover, which I think it pretty good but will be obscure for most people.
    Apparently Paul McCartney regards "Norwegian Wood" as the most perfect song he ever wrote. He penned it in about 5 minutes, complete. Like Mozart knocking out a sonata

    The Beatles are not my favourite band. That would probably be Led Zep. But I can acknowledge the scale of their achievement. They are to popular music was Picasso is to modern art. Just this great protean thing that overwhelms in the size and diversity of the creation, over time
    I hate to agree with you twice in a day, but yes. Led Zep.
    And yet, weirdly, not that great live, that often. Robert Plant is still magnificent live when he puts his mind to it.

    I'm not sure 'greatest ever band' is a lot of use as an idea. It's like saying greatest ever book or greatest ever recipe or greatest ever walk. There's a whole bunch of considerations and the most we can do is probably reach a consensus about a group of achievements in their field for different reasons.

    And so, yes, The Beatles for sure would be included.

    So too would Pink Floyd, for a number of reasons but Dark Side of the Moon would be sufficient.
    Led Zeppelin yes, but not much new material. Compare and contrast the Doors who were equally driven by proper trad blues material but wrote masses of fabulous stuff on top.
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    I really like both The Beatles and Rolling Stones. But I think I prefer The Band.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    True enough, what you say there. Although 7 of your list are a totally mystery to me.
    I mainly know Norwegian Wood from the Cornershop cover, which I think it pretty good but will be obscure for most people.
    Apparently Paul McCartney regards "Norwegian Wood" as the most perfect song he ever wrote. He penned it in about 5 minutes, complete. Like Mozart knocking out a sonata

    The Beatles are not my favourite band. That would probably be Led Zep. But I can acknowledge the scale of their achievement. They are to popular music was Picasso is to modern art. Just this great protean thing that overwhelms in the size and diversity of the creation, over time
    Norwegian Wood was mainly Lennon's, shirley?
    Was it? I might be mis-remembering, so my bad, if so. I definitely recall ONE of them saying it was their favourite song
    It's a great song.

    I think the comparison with Picasso is apt. If you listen to the songs from 1963 then those from just five years later it's a complete revolution in pop.

    Listen to music from 2016 or 2011, or 2006... and it sounds much like today's.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,594
    rcs1000 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    IIRC, Yellow Submarine (the album) contains one of the Beatles very best tracks: Hey Bulldog.
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
    lol

    I also missed out Something, Michelle
    You've got to hide your love away
    Yeah, it's all so fucking TWEE though. Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da FFS.

    Norwegian Wood always sounds like a subscribers only number on pornhub.
    Possibly the next worse Beatles Song to Maxwells Silver Hammer.

    I even rather like Revolution Number 9.
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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,258
    By the way, I thought No Time to Die was absolutely dire.

    Possibly the dullest movie I've ever seen and a good example of why an actor should never be allowed to get above himself and start dictating plots.

    It's the only Bond movie I would never see twice.

    Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,077

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
    lol

    I also missed out Something, Michelle
    It truly is an insane back catalogue. There's nothing else quite like it and if I was restricted to a top 10 songs I would probably prefer the Stones.
    Yes, me too.

    A band or musician is considered notable today if they put out three or four famous songs.

    The Beatles' achievement (even if they are not my favourite band) is in a different league. I doubt it will ever happen again
    Queen is the only band I can think of that has come close since and could have done as much of a quality catalogue if Freddie Mercury didn't die young.
    Yes, quite possibly true. They aren't up there with the Beatles in terms of immense catalogue, but if they'd been given another 5-10 years?

    That was one of the eye-opening things for me, when watching the excellent Bohemian Rhapsody - Jesus, just how many brilliant songs did they do?

    Elton John, also. A phenomenal career

    I am sure I sound like a grizzled old fuck but I get the feeling we won't be watching a movie in 30 years which makes us say "Jesus, just how bloody good was Ed Sheeran?"
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,077

    Leon said:

    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    She's become a bit of a joke now, but Madonna was amazingly consistent in her day.

    Holiday
    Burning Up
    Lucky Star
    Get Into The Groove
    Like a Virgin
    Material Girl
    True Blue
    Papa Don't Preach
    La Isla Bonita
    Open Your Heart
    Live To Tell
    Crazy For You
    Like a Prayer
    Express Yourself
    Cherish
    Oh Father
    Keep It Together
    Vogue
    Human Nature
    Music
    Hung Up
    And, now, she can't sing for toffee and sounds like Sharon doing terrible Friday night karaoke down the Dog & Duck in Fratton.

    Lord knows what happened to her.
    She got old. it happens to quite a lot of people
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658
    HYUFD said:

    Brown and Blair: The New Labour Revolution on BBC2 at 9pm

    Recording it - no spoilers please!
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    edited October 2021

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    kle4 said:

    The Beatles are good, and I'm able to accept they were revolutionary or whatever, but the worship some people have for their stuff is just another example of fanaticism being bloody weird. It's not enough that people like it, it must be raised high, and imitators denigrated.

    The Moody Blues on the other hand, now that was a band alright.

    "I like all the bands. I've got a broad taste, you know, from the Britpop bands, like UB40, Def Leppard, right back to classic rock, like Wings."
    "Who's Wings?"
    "They're only the band The Beatles could have been."
    Very amusing, but he's not wrong. Band on the Run, Jet, C Moon, Venus and Mars, Rock Show are the Beatles, done right. The paradox is: also Mull of Kintyre, Ebony n Ivory, Silly Love Songs etc.
    You have a remarkable knowledge of Wings for someone who thinks the Beatles were meh.

    C Moon was a b-side to a track that was banned by the BBC!

    I can only assume you’re a tedious troll in music, as you are in politics.
    I suspect you are right on that.

    Ebony and Ivory wasn’t even Wings.

    The Beatles are a band I personally love, from their early basic guitar based music to their more musical later stuff.

    Presume the banned track was the one about giving Ireland to the Irish.
    Jesus Christ. I know it wasn't fucking Wings. Let's all have a big think though, shall we, and try to think of two things it has in common with Wings? Fill in the gaps: it involved Paul ____, and it was post the B_______.

    It must be fucking embarrassing, being you.
    Er... You're really the one embarrassing himself. Chill a little.
    Yeah, OK. But presented with a "point" like "C Moon was a b-side to a track that was banned by the BBC!" it is difficult to know how to react proportionately. I mean, WTAF?
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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,258
    Re. Wings and as Bond is in the mix, I take it the brilliant title track to Live and Let Die has been mentioned below?

    A stunning song.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,576
    Love the tweet by Bonnie Tyler.
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    FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 3,885

    Well, I'll be stripping my Facebook account right back to the basics (deleting all old albums and posts) and changing my password after this.

    Sure, someone will probably still have all the data somewhere - but it will make it a bit harder.

    If login credentials have been leaked (even encrypted), doesn't that make it very difficult to bring back? As soon as they do, any easily decrypted accounts will be hacked.

    They'd have to re-verify all their users somehow. That probably wouldn't do much for their share price as it might become obvious how many are inactive...
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    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
    lol

    I also missed out Something, Michelle
    It truly is an insane back catalogue. There's nothing else quite like it and if I was restricted to a top 10 songs I would probably prefer the Stones.
    Yes, me too.

    A band or musician is considered notable today if they put out three or four famous songs.

    The Beatles' achievement (even if they are not my favourite band) is in a different league. I doubt it will ever happen again
    Queen is the only band I can think of that has come close since and could have done as much of a quality catalogue if Freddie Mercury didn't die young.
    Yes, quite possibly true. They aren't up there with the Beatles in terms of immense catalogue, but if they'd been given another 5-10 years?

    That was one of the eye-opening things for me, when watching the excellent Bohemian Rhapsody - Jesus, just how many brilliant songs did they do?

    Elton John, also. A phenomenal career

    I am sure I sound like a grizzled old fuck but I get the feeling we won't be watching a movie in 30 years which makes us say "Jesus, just how bloody good was Ed Sheeran?"
    Bohemian Rhapsody barely scratched the surface on their catalogue too. Their greatest hits but they had plenty more worth mentioning.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
    lol

    I also missed out Something, Michelle
    I think you should just let it be. Otherwise people will think you were born yesterday.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,077
    Heathener said:

    By the way, I thought No Time to Die was absolutely dire.

    Possibly the dullest movie I've ever seen and a good example of why an actor should never be allowed to get above himself and start dictating plots.

    It's the only Bond movie I would never see twice.

    Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view.

    You're fairly new here, you honestly don't need to add this


    "Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view."


    That is the raison d'etre of the site! And it's good to have you on board
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,056
    Leon said:


    Yes, quite possibly true. They aren't up there with the Beatles in terms of immense catalogue, but if they'd been given another 5-10 years?

    That was one of the eye-opening things for me, when watching the excellent Bohemian Rhapsody - Jesus, just how many brilliant songs did they do?

    Elton John, also. A phenomenal career

    I am sure I sound like a grizzled old fuck but I get the feeling we won't be watching a movie in 30 years which makes us say "Jesus, just how bloody good was Ed Sheeran?"

    I think it's partly just that popular music has lost its cultural vitality.

    Bands used to struggle with their second album because they had nothing to write about, but now it's all like that.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,320
    Selebian said:

    MaxPB said:

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    kjh said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    FPT @Selebian. I think you're blind to the issue here - I'll highlight two main points the article makes:

    (1) "In a recent report on academic freedom in the U.S., the U.K., and Canada for the Center for the Study of Partisanship and Ideology, I found that 40 percent of American academics would not hire a known Trump supporter, and 33 percent of British academics would avoid hiring a known Brexit supporter. When it comes to refereeing papers, grant bids, and promotion applications, my own work and that of others indicates that the likelihood of an academic’s discriminating against an openly conservative submission is as high as 45 percent. On a four-person panel, that makes discrimination a near certainty."

    (2) "In the 1960s there were only one and a half journalists and academics on the left for every one on the right. Today that ratio is between four to one and six to one, and considerably higher among political journalists and social-science and humanities academics. In a report on academia for the Manhattan Institute, I noted that left-leaning social-science and humanities academics now outnumber those on the right in Britain by nine to one, and in the U.S. by 14 to one. Work by Mitchell Langbert using voter-registration data for the top liberal-arts colleges and universities (for five disciplines) also shows lopsided ratios. At Harvard, for instance, a recent inquiry reported a $250-to-$1 Democrat-to-Republican donation ratio among the staff."

    It's not enough for there to be "legal" protections - hard to access, prove and leverage - because an institutional culture of intolerance creates an environment that is suffocating to those already employed and inhibits any future recruitment to correct it. This means even fewer conservatives apply in the first place and thus reinforces a monoculture.

    Those that are employed (like my friend at the University of Bath, for example, or me at the Woke firm I've just left) "fear losing (their) job or missing out on job opportunities if (their) political views became known.” And so, as in authoritarian regimes, dissenters keep their views to themselves through preference falsification. This has been precisely my experience.

    It's a problem for all of us because these institutions form a large part of our civic society - arbitrating between the citizen and the state - and thus contributes to polarisation within it.

    It needs to be addressed.

    The website would only let me read the opening few paragraphs of the article, sadly, but the overall tone struck me as dishonest. It started with this dramatic statistic from the dating site, then extrapolated this to discrimination in hiring, despite these being completely different and indeed unrelated things (for instance, I wouldn't date a man but I would hire one).
    In my own field of economics there is a range of political views. In academia there is a left wing skew, in markets there is a right wing skew. This seems entirely understandable when you think of the likely difference in motivations and values between the two industries. Academia has got more left wing over the years, but then it has also become much worse paid, in relative terms, and those facts are probably related (we might argue over the direction of causation!). As a left wing person working in the markets I don't complain about the dearth of ideological soulmates, I don't know why right wing academics are so snowflakey about it.
    I have collaborated in academic research with people of various political stripes including Conservative US Republicans. In my experience, research with a clear ideological skew, left or right, is most likely bad research. The goal should be uncovering the truth, not advancing an agenda. Of course, if I were an ideological hack flogging policy-based evidence-making I might feel like I was getting discriminated when my research got rejected by top journals - but the likelihood is that the research was just bad.
    I do recall attending a very right-leaning conference where there was a lot of moaning about the Liberal bias in US academia, but the conference was lavishly funded by Conservative benefactors and hosted at a top Ivy League school so the whole complaint rang a little hollow to me. It had a strong whiff of privileges being defended.
    There's some good points in here - including your admirable acknowledgement that research with a clear ideological skew is poor research - but why is your first instinct to attack Eric Kauffman's honesty?

    He's a respected Canadian Academic (of mixed Chinese, Hispanic and European ancestry) working in a British university. He cited a variety of studies in making his points, and they're all respectable ones.

    We need to get past the ad hominum into the specifics. Far too many of the responses to articles like this run along the lines of "he's making it up" and "I don't see any of this, so it can't be true".

    What I'm interested in is everyone feeling able and willing to discuss their views and differences openly. That has to start with less prejudgement, more listening, and more forgiveness, and it's that I'm interested in.

    It's the only way to confine polarisation to the fringes where it belongs, rather than it being part of the mainstream, and we have to work harder and harder at it in the social media age, not less.
    All great points but I think you cut too much slack to Trumpery. It shouldn't be viewed like, say, being a Tory, a Brexiter, a social democrat, a "classic liberal", a small state libertarian, or whatever. He's a hate monger and those who lap that up can't expect it not to be held against them by those who don't.
    I would judge Trump very differently from one of his voters, who include plenty of ordinary Americans, and give them the benefit of the doubt.
    Of course lots of decent people voted for him. This must be the case given the numbers. Nevertheless he has colonized the Republican party, which is both chastening and frightening to somebody like me who takes a broadly sunny-side-up view of humanity, so I'm afraid I'm the other way around to you in that I'd be a touch wary of a person who I know voted for him until I get some evidence they did it reluctantly and despite the hate he throws out and for want of (in their eyes) a viable alternative. Pls note I do NOT feel this way about Leavers and Tories etc. It's a Trump thing.
    So, in your eyes they are guilty until proven innocent?

    Charming.

    The reason you might not feel that way about Leavers and Tories is because you've been engaging with so many of us on here for so long that you realise the world isn't that simple.

    That's precisely my point.
    From my point of view I can see rational reasons for voting Tory and although many who voted leave I think did so for irrational* reasons, there are clearly many who did for completely rational reasons.

    It is difficult to see any rational reason for voting for Trump, which is why the scale of his vote is so scary.


    * Two of my favourites from personal conversations were: There are too many 'coloureds' here already and the criminal gangs are all Albanian.
    If you were living in small town Hicksville, Flyover State in 2016, and had seen either a) your wages remain static since the previous century while the millionaires on the coast became billionaires, and/or b) the only major employer in your town decamp elsewhere while more and more of the stuff you used to make get imported from China and/or c) the social fabric of your town fraying, do you vote for a) more of the same, in the person and party of a candidate who appears to view you and your ilk as at best something of an embarrassment, or b) Trump? I don't like the man. But I can see why people voted for him.
    I actually understand voting for Trump more than voting for Brexit. In that the US in 2016 was clearly a broken society failing the majority of its citizens, as evident in phenomena like falling life expectancy and the opioid epidemic. I don't think the UK was experiencing the same level of political failure and social fracture before 2016. Although, interestingly, it seems to be now!
    I can understand someone voting Trump or Brexit.

    Doesn’t mean I want to employ, date, or consort with such.
    It's interesting you say you wouldn't want to employ them, which is precisely the point I made on this thread and the previous thread that @Selebian said would never happen and I'd made up.
    Oh, Casino! That's a fairly good description of exactly what I did not say!

    I said a number of things:
    - American conservatives are snowflakes (not all, to be sure, but some)
    - The research I've seen on the terrible time right wing people have in academia is poor quality
    - In my experience, you would not have the necessary information to discriminate against conservatives or brexiters in employment decisions or funding applications
    - A larger number of left wing people in academia might be a combination of left and right wing people being different and pursuing different careers, perceptions (pushed by conservatives, that academia hates conservatives) and some reality
    - Anyone who would discriminate on politics should be sacked
    - My own experience is different to what is claimed, including one example where I pushed back on wokeness and was backed up by the department and HR

    I did not say there is definitively no discrimination and I did not speak beyond academia, indeed not even beyond UK academia.

    I want you to know that I fully respect your lived experience as a much put upon and despised conservative and the way it has ruined your career all the way to becoming I director (I think?). I hope you find a safeish place on PB. I do not want you cancelled :kissing_heart:
    On the last point, I've found the same. All it usually needs is for one person to say "enough" and suddenly the house of woke cars collapses. When I pointed out that the alignment groups were nothing more than company sponsored segregation by race suddenly all of those directors who were just going along with yet another American cultural import realised exactly what it was they were doing.

    That's what woke is, a house of cards which inevitably collapses.
    In my case it was one person rather than a process. Took frustratingly long to sort it as everything was done by the book, but no one at all supported the craziness that person was pushing.
    One big reason I left my firm is because its owners have succumbed to the CRT belief that equity, not equality, is the most important policy any organisation can pursue - that is treating people differently depending on whether they're from a group that's structurally disadvantaged or not, and giving them a leg up if they are.

    It became very clear to me I'd never get on there and nor would I get any opportunities.

    Yes, I got another job - that's a big step up for me - after many months of looking. And, yes, I suspect my current firm is going down the tubes as it pursues weird peccadilloes that defy common business sense but it was still a unpleasant place to be in that I wouldn't wish on anyone.

    We haven't seen the last of it.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658
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    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    kle4 said:

    The Beatles are good, and I'm able to accept they were revolutionary or whatever, but the worship some people have for their stuff is just another example of fanaticism being bloody weird. It's not enough that people like it, it must be raised high, and imitators denigrated.

    The Moody Blues on the other hand, now that was a band alright.

    "I like all the bands. I've got a broad taste, you know, from the Britpop bands, like UB40, Def Leppard, right back to classic rock, like Wings."
    "Who's Wings?"
    "They're only the band The Beatles could have been."
    Very amusing, but he's not wrong. Band on the Run, Jet, C Moon, Venus and Mars, Rock Show are the Beatles, done right. The paradox is: also Mull of Kintyre, Ebony n Ivory, Silly Love Songs etc.
    You have a remarkable knowledge of Wings for someone who thinks the Beatles were meh.

    C Moon was a b-side to a track that was banned by the BBC!

    I can only assume you’re a tedious troll in music, as you are in politics.
    I suspect you are right on that.

    Ebony and Ivory wasn’t even Wings.

    The Beatles are a band I personally love, from their early basic guitar based music to their more musical later stuff.

    Presume the banned track was the one about giving Ireland to the Irish.
    Jesus Christ. I know it wasn't fucking Wings. Let's all have a big think though, shall we, and try to think of two things it has in common with Wings? Fill in the gaps: it involved Paul ____, and it was post the B_______.

    It must be fucking embarrassing, being you.
    Er... You're really the one embarrassing himself. Chill a little.
    Yeah, OK. But presented with a "point" like "C Moon was a b-side to a track that was banned by the BBC!" it is difficult to know how to react proportionately. I mean, WTAF?
    Just, er, let it be?
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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,258
    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    By the way, I thought No Time to Die was absolutely dire.

    Possibly the dullest movie I've ever seen and a good example of why an actor should never be allowed to get above himself and start dictating plots.

    It's the only Bond movie I would never see twice.

    Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view.

    You're fairly new here, you honestly don't need to add this


    "Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view."


    That is the raison d'etre of the site! And it's good to have you on board
    As I got hounded early on a few months back and felt like I'd been mauled in a bear pit I felt, and feel, it very necessary to qualify a subjective remark which might cause consternation amongst others. I don't want argument. I'm sure there are people who will love No Time to Die.

    Surely the raison d'etre of a site called political betting is, er, political betting?
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    edited October 2021

    I really like both The Beatles and Rolling Stones. But I think I prefer The Band.

    I’m my view, Beatles and Dylan are god tier, and the Beatles have a slight edge.

    Then you have (in no particular order) Bowie, Young, Marley, the Stones, maybe Stevie, Marvin or Prince.

    Then everyone else.

    Queen (really Freddy) were insanely good but don’t have the depth or breadth. They weren’t an albums band, either.

    In the last twenty years only Radiohead, the Arcade Fire and Kanye have nudged at greatness.
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    Heathener said:

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    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

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    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    True enough, what you say there. Although 7 of your list are a totally mystery to me.
    I mainly know Norwegian Wood from the Cornershop cover, which I think it pretty good but will be obscure for most people.
    Apparently Paul McCartney regards "Norwegian Wood" as the most perfect song he ever wrote. He penned it in about 5 minutes, complete. Like Mozart knocking out a sonata

    The Beatles are not my favourite band. That would probably be Led Zep. But I can acknowledge the scale of their achievement. They are to popular music was Picasso is to modern art. Just this great protean thing that overwhelms in the size and diversity of the creation, over time
    I hate to agree with you twice in a day, but yes. Led Zep.
    And yet, weirdly, not that great live, that often. Robert Plant is still magnificent live when he puts his mind to it.

    I'm not sure 'greatest ever band' is a lot of use as an idea. It's like saying greatest ever book or greatest ever recipe or greatest ever walk. There's a whole bunch of considerations and the most we can do is probably reach a consensus about a group of achievements in their field for different reasons.

    And so, yes, The Beatles for sure would be included.

    So too would Pink Floyd, for a number of reasons but Dark Side of the Moon would be sufficient.
    Floyd for me, not just for Dark Side, I prefer Animals even though Dark Side Is exceptional.

    Also Meddle, Atom Heart Mother, wish you were here. So many great quality tracks.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,145

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    kle4 said:

    The Beatles are good, and I'm able to accept they were revolutionary or whatever, but the worship some people have for their stuff is just another example of fanaticism being bloody weird. It's not enough that people like it, it must be raised high, and imitators denigrated.

    The Moody Blues on the other hand, now that was a band alright.

    "I like all the bands. I've got a broad taste, you know, from the Britpop bands, like UB40, Def Leppard, right back to classic rock, like Wings."
    "Who's Wings?"
    "They're only the band The Beatles could have been."
    Very amusing, but he's not wrong. Band on the Run, Jet, C Moon, Venus and Mars, Rock Show are the Beatles, done right. The paradox is: also Mull of Kintyre, Ebony n Ivory, Silly Love Songs etc.
    You have a remarkable knowledge of Wings for someone who thinks the Beatles were meh.

    C Moon was a b-side to a track that was banned by the BBC!

    I can only assume you’re a tedious troll in music, as you are in politics.
    I suspect you are right on that.

    Ebony and Ivory wasn’t even Wings.

    The Beatles are a band I personally love, from their early basic guitar based music to their more musical later stuff.

    Presume the banned track was the one about giving Ireland to the Irish.
    Jesus Christ. I know it wasn't fucking Wings. Let's all have a big think though, shall we, and try to think of two things it has in common with Wings? Fill in the gaps: it involved Paul ____, and it was post the B_______.

    It must be fucking embarrassing, being you.
    Er... You're really the one embarrassing himself. Chill a little.
    Yeah, OK. But presented with a "point" like "C Moon was a b-side to a track that was banned by the BBC!" it is difficult to know how to react proportionately. I mean, WTAF?
    Just, er, let it be?
    That’s very good.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,916
    edited October 2021
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
    lol

    I also missed out Something, Michelle
    It truly is an insane back catalogue. There's nothing else quite like it and if I was restricted to a top 10 songs I would probably prefer the Stones.
    Yes, me too.

    A band or musician is considered notable today if they put out three or four famous songs.

    The Beatles' achievement (even if they are not my favourite band) is in a different league. I doubt it will ever happen again
    Queen is the only band I can think of that has come close since and could have done as much of a quality catalogue if Freddie Mercury didn't die young.
    Yes, quite possibly true. They aren't up there with the Beatles in terms of immense catalogue, but if they'd been given another 5-10 years?

    That was one of the eye-opening things for me, when watching the excellent Bohemian Rhapsody - Jesus, just how many brilliant songs did they do?

    Elton John, also. A phenomenal career

    I am sure I sound like a grizzled old fuck but I get the feeling we won't be watching a movie in 30 years which makes us say "Jesus, just how bloody good was Ed Sheeran?"
    Queen had about a decade on the Beatles though! 72-91 playing 62-70?

    Got to say The Beatles did some great songs across every period of their career, from the straightforward early love songs (She Loves You, Please Please Me) to first signs of anguish (Help) to the latter rockier stages (Dont Let Me Down, I want You (She's So Heavy)

    I always liked Polythene Pam, referencing the yeah yeah yeah years with overdone scouse accent
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,077
    Charles said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
    lol

    I also missed out Something, Michelle
    I think you should just let it be. Otherwise people will think you were born yesterday.
    Let It Be!

    Seriously. Fuck. How could I forget Let It Be. A beautiful beautiful song, moving and timeless, about a mother's love for her little son. If someone put that out today we'd all marvel at their genius

    And yet I forgot it. That's how good they are. There are so many songs


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDYfEBY9NM4


    Let It Be. 90 Million Views. It's just a picture of the Beatles

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,917

    I really like both The Beatles and Rolling Stones. But I think I prefer The Band.

    I’m my view, Beatles and Dylan are god tier, and the Beatles have a slight edge.

    Then you have (in no particular order) Bowie, Young, Marley, the Stones, maybe Stevie, Marvin or Prince.

    Then everyone else.

    In the last twenty years only Radiohead, the Arcade Fire and Kanye have nudged at greatness.
    I remember listening to Radiohead in school. Which was longer than 20 years ago :D
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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,258
    Leon said:

    Charles said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
    lol

    I also missed out Something, Michelle
    I think you should just let it be. Otherwise people will think you were born yesterday.
    Let It Be!

    Seriously. Fuck. How could I forget Let It Be.


    Or Madonna's Frozen (see below) ;)
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    10 minutes in and already a stark reminder that Blair is basically likeable, and Brown is a self important bore.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    HYUFD said:

    Well, I'll be stripping my Facebook account right back to the basics (deleting all old albums and posts) and changing my password after this.

    Sure, someone will probably still have all the data somewhere - but it will make it a bit harder.

    For personal data yes if you have some on there but not sure if they can do much with old holiday snaps and family and event photos
    That’s exactly what you need to keep off line. If you want to remain under the radar. Never give the Daily Mail anything they can distort
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,320

    I really like both The Beatles and Rolling Stones. But I think I prefer The Band.

    I’m my view, Beatles and Dylan are god tier, and the Beatles have a slight edge.

    Then you have (in no particular order) Bowie, Young, Marley, the Stones, maybe Stevie, Marvin or Prince.

    Then everyone else.

    Queen (really Freddy) were insanely good but don’t have the depth or breadth. They weren’t an albums band, either.

    In the last twenty years only Radiohead, the Arcade Fire and Kanye have nudged at greatness.
    Queen would be called populist but because virtually everyone likes them and has affection for them they are not called populist.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    Charles said:
    One watches these things and it’s 50% “this is Boris engaging the people in his inimitable way” and it’s 50% “what utter contempt he has for people”.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,145
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
    lol

    I also missed out Something, Michelle
    It truly is an insane back catalogue. There's nothing else quite like it and if I was restricted to a top 10 songs I would probably prefer the Stones.
    Yes, me too.

    A band or musician is considered notable today if they put out three or four famous songs.

    The Beatles' achievement (even if they are not my favourite band) is in a different league. I doubt it will ever happen again
    Queen is the only band I can think of that has come close since and could have done as much of a quality catalogue if Freddie Mercury didn't die young.
    Yes, quite possibly true. They aren't up there with the Beatles in terms of immense catalogue, but if they'd been given another 5-10 years?

    That was one of the eye-opening things for me, when watching the excellent Bohemian Rhapsody - Jesus, just how many brilliant songs did they do?

    Elton John, also. A phenomenal career

    I am sure I sound like a grizzled old fuck but I get the feeling we won't be watching a movie in 30 years which makes us say "Jesus, just how bloody good was Ed Sheeran?"
    Elton John, absolutely briliiant career and many many great tracks. Seen him once at the metro arena as was. He was great value. Played for two and a half hours.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,916
    Taz said:

    Heathener said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    True enough, what you say there. Although 7 of your list are a totally mystery to me.
    I mainly know Norwegian Wood from the Cornershop cover, which I think it pretty good but will be obscure for most people.
    Apparently Paul McCartney regards "Norwegian Wood" as the most perfect song he ever wrote. He penned it in about 5 minutes, complete. Like Mozart knocking out a sonata

    The Beatles are not my favourite band. That would probably be Led Zep. But I can acknowledge the scale of their achievement. They are to popular music was Picasso is to modern art. Just this great protean thing that overwhelms in the size and diversity of the creation, over time
    I hate to agree with you twice in a day, but yes. Led Zep.
    And yet, weirdly, not that great live, that often. Robert Plant is still magnificent live when he puts his mind to it.

    I'm not sure 'greatest ever band' is a lot of use as an idea. It's like saying greatest ever book or greatest ever recipe or greatest ever walk. There's a whole bunch of considerations and the most we can do is probably reach a consensus about a group of achievements in their field for different reasons.

    And so, yes, The Beatles for sure would be included.

    So too would Pink Floyd, for a number of reasons but Dark Side of the Moon would be sufficient.
    Floyd for me, not just for Dark Side, I prefer Animals even though Dark Side Is exceptional.

    Also Meddle, Atom Heart Mother, wish you were here. So many great quality tracks.
    Dark Side and Wish You Were Here are two of the best albums ever made. 68-70 were poor years though in my opinion. I loved Piper at the Gates of Dawn when I was a teenager, but it sounds a bit silly now. The Wall is depressingly brilliant
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,603
    The Beatles succeeded in the popular music equivalent of the SPL.

    Later successful artists had much more competition for chart success.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    HYUFD said:

    Brown and Blair: The New Labour Revolution on BBC2 at 9pm

    Recording it - no spoilers please!
    They both win. And they both lose.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658
    edited October 2021
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/

    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
    lol

    I also missed out Something, Michelle
    It truly is an insane back catalogue. There's nothing else quite like it and if I was restricted to a top 10 songs I would probably prefer the Stones.
    Yes, me too.

    A band or musician is considered notable today if they put out three or four famous songs.

    The Beatles' achievement (even if they are not my favourite band) is in a different league. I doubt it will ever happen again
    Queen is the only band I can think of that has come close since and could have done as much of a quality catalogue if Freddie Mercury didn't die young.
    Yes, quite possibly true. They aren't up there with the Beatles in terms of immense catalogue, but if they'd been given another 5-10 years?

    That was one of the eye-opening things for me, when watching the excellent Bohemian Rhapsody - Jesus, just how many brilliant songs did they do?

    Elton John, also. A phenomenal career

    I am sure I sound like a grizzled old fuck but I get the feeling we won't be watching a movie in 30 years which makes us say "Jesus, just how bloody good was Ed Sheeran?"
    I like Queen. A lot.

    But their output over 20 years before Freddie died did not match what the Beatles produced in <10. Another 5-10 years of Queen with Mercury would have been fantastic but would not have closed the gap imo.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847

    The Beatles succeeded in the popular music equivalent of the SPL.

    Later successful artists had much more competition for chart success.

    Not really true though.

    1967 was probably the peak moment for creativity in pop history. There were lots at it.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    By the way, I thought No Time to Die was absolutely dire.

    Possibly the dullest movie I've ever seen and a good example of why an actor should never be allowed to get above himself and start dictating plots.

    It's the only Bond movie I would never see twice.

    Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view.

    You're fairly new here, you honestly don't need to add this


    "Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view."


    That is the raison d'etre of the site! And it's good to have you on board
    As I got hounded early on a few months back and felt like I'd been mauled in a bear pit I felt, and feel, it very necessary to qualify a subjective remark which might cause consternation amongst others. I don't want argument. I'm sure there are people who will love No Time to Die.

    Surely the raison d'etre of a site called political betting is, er, political betting?
    Why on earth would you think that? What are you, a turnip?
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,145
    isam said:

    Taz said:

    Heathener said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    True enough, what you say there. Although 7 of your list are a totally mystery to me.
    I mainly know Norwegian Wood from the Cornershop cover, which I think it pretty good but will be obscure for most people.
    Apparently Paul McCartney regards "Norwegian Wood" as the most perfect song he ever wrote. He penned it in about 5 minutes, complete. Like Mozart knocking out a sonata

    The Beatles are not my favourite band. That would probably be Led Zep. But I can acknowledge the scale of their achievement. They are to popular music was Picasso is to modern art. Just this great protean thing that overwhelms in the size and diversity of the creation, over time
    I hate to agree with you twice in a day, but yes. Led Zep.
    And yet, weirdly, not that great live, that often. Robert Plant is still magnificent live when he puts his mind to it.

    I'm not sure 'greatest ever band' is a lot of use as an idea. It's like saying greatest ever book or greatest ever recipe or greatest ever walk. There's a whole bunch of considerations and the most we can do is probably reach a consensus about a group of achievements in their field for different reasons.

    And so, yes, The Beatles for sure would be included.

    So too would Pink Floyd, for a number of reasons but Dark Side of the Moon would be sufficient.
    Floyd for me, not just for Dark Side, I prefer Animals even though Dark Side Is exceptional.

    Also Meddle, Atom Heart Mother, wish you were here. So many great quality tracks.
    Dark Side and Wish You Were Here are two of the best albums ever made. 68-70 were poor years though in my opinion. I loved Piper at the Gates of Dawn when I was a teenager, but it sounds a bit silly now. The Wall is depressingly brilliant
    I saw the movie when it was released. It was rather disturbing.

    I haven’t seen it since but should dig it out.

    It’s a shame waters and Gilmour still won’t reconcile.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,576
    edited October 2021
    maaarsh said:

    10 minutes in and already a stark reminder that Blair is basically likeable, and Brown is a self important bore.

    Blair probably would have won again in 2010, possibly via a coalition with the LDs. Then we might have had proportional representation.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,186

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    By the way, I thought No Time to Die was absolutely dire.

    Possibly the dullest movie I've ever seen and a good example of why an actor should never be allowed to get above himself and start dictating plots.

    It's the only Bond movie I would never see twice.

    Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view.

    You're fairly new here, you honestly don't need to add this


    "Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view."


    That is the raison d'etre of the site! And it's good to have you on board
    As I got hounded early on a few months back and felt like I'd been mauled in a bear pit I felt, and feel, it very necessary to qualify a subjective remark which might cause consternation amongst others. I don't want argument. I'm sure there are people who will love No Time to Die.

    Surely the raison d'etre of a site called political betting is, er, political betting?
    Nah, it's pointless pedantry and petulant partisanship.

    Occasionally we do political betting as well.
    You missed ‘peerless punning.’
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,540
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
    lol

    I also missed out Something, Michelle
    And Here, There and Everywhere. The most achingly beautiful of all The Beatles' songs. Girl and In My Life should also be on the list.
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    FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 3,885
    edited October 2021

    Well, I'll be stripping my Facebook account right back to the basics (deleting all old albums and posts) and changing my password after this.

    Sure, someone will probably still have all the data somewhere - but it will make it a bit harder.

    If login credentials have been leaked (even encrypted), doesn't that make it very difficult to bring back? As soon as they do, any easily decrypted accounts will be hacked.

    They'd have to re-verify all their users somehow. That probably wouldn't do much for their share price as it might become obvious how many are inactive...
    Apparently the data being offered for sale is old and may only be profiles, so it probably isn't that.

    Rumour is that they have a routing failure. Unfortunately access to buildings depends on credentials stored on their now inaccessible servers, and all the staff use Messenger/WhatsApp to communicate. Nobody can log in remotely.

    This could take a while...
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    Leon said:

    Charles said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
    lol

    I also missed out Something, Michelle
    I think you should just let it be. Otherwise people will think you were born yesterday.
    Let It Be!

    Seriously. Fuck. How could I forget Let It Be. A beautiful beautiful song, moving and timeless, about a mother's love for her little son. If someone put that out today we'd all marvel at their genius

    And yet I forgot it. That's how good they are. There are so many songs


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDYfEBY9NM4


    Let It Be. 90 Million Views. It's just a picture of the Beatles

    Tax Man? A song whose sentiment will shortly be due for a revival I suspect.
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,540
    Taz said:
    The production values on that make me think it's a GB News outtake.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,320
    A very amusing, insightful and sometimes scary interview with a Pakistani Canadian:

    https://niccolo.substack.com/p/the-khyber-pass-interview-murtaza
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,006
    I was reminded by the thread of Tom Wilson, whose unimpeachable CV as a producer includes both "Like a Rolling Stone" and "The Sound of Silence", as well as the debut albums of Soft Machine, the Mothers of Invention (Zappa), the Velvet Underground (! - not actually produced by Warhol of course), Cecil Taylor (!!) and Sun Ra (!!!).
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:
    One watches these things and it’s 50% “this is Boris engaging the people in his inimitable way” and it’s 50% “what utter contempt he has for people”.
    I think that’s Boris sending up Boris… so probably (a). I think. Of course he might think it’s convincing in which case (b)… but that’s inconceivable because…
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    isamisam Posts: 40,916
    edited October 2021
    Taz said:

    isam said:

    Taz said:

    Heathener said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    True enough, what you say there. Although 7 of your list are a totally mystery to me.
    I mainly know Norwegian Wood from the Cornershop cover, which I think it pretty good but will be obscure for most people.
    Apparently Paul McCartney regards "Norwegian Wood" as the most perfect song he ever wrote. He penned it in about 5 minutes, complete. Like Mozart knocking out a sonata

    The Beatles are not my favourite band. That would probably be Led Zep. But I can acknowledge the scale of their achievement. They are to popular music was Picasso is to modern art. Just this great protean thing that overwhelms in the size and diversity of the creation, over time
    I hate to agree with you twice in a day, but yes. Led Zep.
    And yet, weirdly, not that great live, that often. Robert Plant is still magnificent live when he puts his mind to it.

    I'm not sure 'greatest ever band' is a lot of use as an idea. It's like saying greatest ever book or greatest ever recipe or greatest ever walk. There's a whole bunch of considerations and the most we can do is probably reach a consensus about a group of achievements in their field for different reasons.

    And so, yes, The Beatles for sure would be included.

    So too would Pink Floyd, for a number of reasons but Dark Side of the Moon would be sufficient.
    Floyd for me, not just for Dark Side, I prefer Animals even though Dark Side Is exceptional.

    Also Meddle, Atom Heart Mother, wish you were here. So many great quality tracks.
    Dark Side and Wish You Were Here are two of the best albums ever made. 68-70 were poor years though in my opinion. I loved Piper at the Gates of Dawn when I was a teenager, but it sounds a bit silly now. The Wall is depressingly brilliant
    I saw the movie when it was released. It was rather disturbing.

    I haven’t seen it since but should dig it out.

    It’s a shame waters and Gilmour still won’t reconcile.
    I’ve seen it dozens of times. Quite bleak really

    I think they have made up to a certain extent, Gilmour guested on Waters last tUK tour for Comfortably Numb

    Thought of animals today re Boris and the Pigs (3 diff ones)
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,176
    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    By the way, I thought No Time to Die was absolutely dire.

    Possibly the dullest movie I've ever seen and a good example of why an actor should never be allowed to get above himself and start dictating plots.

    It's the only Bond movie I would never see twice.

    Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view.

    You're fairly new here, you honestly don't need to add this


    "Happy to be disagreed with by others. Just a personal view."


    That is the raison d'etre of the site! And it's good to have you on board
    As I got hounded early on a few months back and felt like I'd been mauled in a bear pit I felt, and feel, it very necessary to qualify a subjective remark which might cause consternation amongst others. I don't want argument. I'm sure there are people who will love No Time to Die.

    Surely the raison d'etre of a site called political betting is, er, political betting?
    Those new lockdowns must be starting soon then? Look back to your opening posts to see why you were hounded. Mistaken identity as a troll.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,916

    Leon said:

    Charles said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    In other news, cinemas are back. Over here James Bond just broke the all time opening weekend record and in the US Venom 2 has done the second best October opening weekend ever. It turns out people like going to see movies on the big screen and escaping from real life for a couple of hours.

    Shockingly half of the movie industry has bet against the big screen and are now going to have to row back on streaming commitments and give movies exclusive release windows again. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney extended their release window from 6 weeks to something more like 10 weeks ±4 weeks to match SPE. WB are buggered IMO as they seem to have permanently devalued their theatrical releases by promising streaming subscribers day and date releases without an easy way to u-turn that doesn't lose them millions of subscribers.

    Good news.

    Streamed movies suck. All the excitement is drained away when you realise you can watch it anytime / anywhere.

    I see though that Peter Jackson’s long-awaited Get Back doco is happening now as a three parter on Disney+ (each part being 2 hours), though whether that’s because they can’t edit it down below 6 hours I don’t know.
    Peter Jackson. Editing. I'm really not sure he understands the word or the concept.
    Three two hour long movies. About a single recording session. For a 45 minute album.

    Far. Too. Long.

    Someone recut the Hobbit trilogy to make it a single movie. It was - apparently - much improved.

    I started doing a recut of Spectre about four years ago, trying to get rid of that ridiculous campy spymaster and the whole Five Eyes subplot. It would have knocked about 25 minutes off the movie, and made it much more interesting.
    I am sure you are right, and I confess that I haven’t even seen Hobbit or any but the first LOTR.

    But I spent much of lockdown getting “back” into the Beatles after a 25 year hiatus, and so I’m very much looking forward to it.

    They make Radiohead look like mewling wankers.
    Their output is uniformly appalling. It's like those unbelievably dreary modern hymns where you cannot believe they put a © at the end of it to stop people stealing their work. Can I just say, Yellow Submarine?
    I presume you are talking about Radiohead.

    As for Yellow Submarine, I’m sure nobody would consider it their finest work but even that one song has a kind of omnipresence in the nation’s schools.

    And it has a great Ringo vocal, which is a near contradiction in terms.
    But all their songs are like that. Ellurnur Rigby, Lalalalalalalalala. You could put them all in one album called OK School Assembly.
    Laughably untrue. They were the first and biggest "pop" group to properly experiment radically with dissonance, unusual time signatures, weird new instruments, layering and overdub

    https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/the-mojo-list/the-10-most-technically-amazing-beatles-songs/
    So true: they paved the path that Radiohead later walked on.
    The Beatles pumped out a lot of dross, but what is striking is how many good memorable songs they produced over their decade as a band

    I bet most people here could name 20 or even 30 Beatles songs, and then hum them

    Is that true of any other band, musician, performer in the history of popular music? I don't think so. Not even Dylan or the Stones. The Beatles' total catalogue is unequalled


    I'm going to have a go without Googling. These are song I can remember, and I could hum right now, if asked

    Help
    Ticket to Ride
    Twist and Shout
    Norwegian Wood
    Get Back
    The Long and Winding Road
    Hey Jude
    Yellow Submarine
    Paperback Writer
    Across the Universe
    Ob-la-dee, Ob-la-da
    When I'm 64
    Yesterday
    Here Comes The Sun
    And I Love Her
    A Day in the Life
    Eleanor Rigby
    All You Need is Love
    Love Love Me Do
    She Loves You
    Penny Lane
    Strawberry Fields


    There, that's 22 songs I can name and hum, in five minutes, with no Googling. Given half an hour I could probably add 10 or 15 more

    That list is Nowhere man, it will mean she's leaving home to join the fool on the hill.
    lol

    I also missed out Something, Michelle
    I think you should just let it be. Otherwise people will think you were born yesterday.
    Let It Be!

    Seriously. Fuck. How could I forget Let It Be. A beautiful beautiful song, moving and timeless, about a mother's love for her little son. If someone put that out today we'd all marvel at their genius

    And yet I forgot it. That's how good they are. There are so many songs


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDYfEBY9NM4


    Let It Be. 90 Million Views. It's just a picture of the Beatles

    Tax Man? A song whose sentiment will shortly be due for a revival I suspect.
    Paul Weller nicked it for ‘Start!’… and improved it I think
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