Starmer up sharply to become favourite in the next PM betting – politicalbetting.com
Starmer up sharply to become favourite in the next PM betting – politicalbetting.com
Although there has been no polling uplift for LAB since Starmer’s big speech on Wednesday those betting on who will be next PM have edged back to Starmer and he is now clear favourite in the “Next PM” betting.
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Presumably the market thinks he is more likely to lead Labour at the next election. That idiot Beth Rigby on Sky News said conferences aren't about speaking to people in the hall but speaking to people in homes around the country. Utter nonsense. They are, first and foremost, about securing your position as leader.0
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"idiot...utter nonsense...."tlg86 said:Presumably the market thinks he is more likely to lead Labour at the next election. That idiot Beth Rigby on Sky News said conferences aren't about speaking to people in the hall but speaking to people in homes around the country. Utter nonsense. They are, first and foremost, about securing your position as leader.
Bit harsh. The LotO has to speak to people in homes around the country whoever it is.0 -
Is that another Smarkets bet landed?0
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Lay the favourite.1
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That joke about Boris's dad being a tool maker didn't make the news (at least, not on the clips I saw). And a good job too. That sort of thing plays well to the faithful, but might not go down so well with the general public.TOPPING said:
"idiot...utter nonsense...."tlg86 said:Presumably the market thinks he is more likely to lead Labour at the next election. That idiot Beth Rigby on Sky News said conferences aren't about speaking to people in the hall but speaking to people in homes around the country. Utter nonsense. They are, first and foremost, about securing your position as leader.
Bit harsh. The LotO has to speak to people in homes around the country whoever it is.
Generally, the news do a fair job to all leaders by showing the middle of the road stuff on the news, but only geeks like us watch the whole thing.0 -
25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.5 -
HYUFD said:
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So people are free to come here without limit if we concrete all over the green belt and most of the English countryside to build all the extra homes for them. A deeply unpopular proposal (and most people don't live within easy reach of AONB and National Parks, especially in London and the Home Counties
Anabob replied:
Back to GCSE Geography class for you!
How about the South Downs, New Forest, Dedham Vale, Broads, Surrey Hills, North Wessex Downs, High Weald, Chilterns, Cotswolds... I mean these are just of the top of my head!
(P.S. I absolutely agree with you about the green belt however!)
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I think you slipped in a spurious 'maker' there, just sayin.tlg86 said:
That joke about Boris's dad being a tool maker didn't make the news (at least, not on the clips I saw). And a good job too. That sort of thing plays well to the faithful, but might not go down so well with the general public.TOPPING said:
"idiot...utter nonsense...."tlg86 said:Presumably the market thinks he is more likely to lead Labour at the next election. That idiot Beth Rigby on Sky News said conferences aren't about speaking to people in the hall but speaking to people in homes around the country. Utter nonsense. They are, first and foremost, about securing your position as leader.
Bit harsh. The LotO has to speak to people in homes around the country whoever it is.
Generally, the news do a fair job to all leaders by showing the middle of the road stuff on the news, but only geeks like us watch the whole thing.0 -
Indeed he has virtually no chancePhilip_Thompson said:Lay the favourite.
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Bit harsh on Stanley.Benpointer said:
I think you slipped in a spurious 'maker' there, just sayin.tlg86 said:
That joke about Boris's dad being a tool maker didn't make the news (at least, not on the clips I saw). And a good job too. That sort of thing plays well to the faithful, but might not go down so well with the general public.TOPPING said:
"idiot...utter nonsense...."tlg86 said:Presumably the market thinks he is more likely to lead Labour at the next election. That idiot Beth Rigby on Sky News said conferences aren't about speaking to people in the hall but speaking to people in homes around the country. Utter nonsense. They are, first and foremost, about securing your position as leader.
Bit harsh. The LotO has to speak to people in homes around the country whoever it is.
Generally, the news do a fair job to all leaders by showing the middle of the road stuff on the news, but only geeks like us watch the whole thing.0 -
You think?tlg86 said:
Bit harsh on Stanley.Benpointer said:
I think you slipped in a spurious 'maker' there, just sayin.tlg86 said:
That joke about Boris's dad being a tool maker didn't make the news (at least, not on the clips I saw). And a good job too. That sort of thing plays well to the faithful, but might not go down so well with the general public.TOPPING said:
"idiot...utter nonsense...."tlg86 said:Presumably the market thinks he is more likely to lead Labour at the next election. That idiot Beth Rigby on Sky News said conferences aren't about speaking to people in the hall but speaking to people in homes around the country. Utter nonsense. They are, first and foremost, about securing your position as leader.
Bit harsh. The LotO has to speak to people in homes around the country whoever it is.
Generally, the news do a fair job to all leaders by showing the middle of the road stuff on the news, but only geeks like us watch the whole thing.0 -
Morning. Could you please let me know what the best Radiohead album is.rcs1000 said:25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.
TIA
Asking FAF.
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Boris will not want to go into an election he thinks he will lose, and imo will step down first. Nor will the party want Boris to lead them into a bad election. Ask Mrs Thatcher.rcs1000 said:25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.1 -
Starmer certainly has a vastly better chance of becoming PM than Labour has of winning a majority.
While Labour needs to gain 124 seats at the next general election to win an overall majority, Starmer only needs to gain about 55 Tory seats to become PM if the SNP and LDs and PC and SDLP and Alliance and Greens give him confidence and supply.
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Would Starmer necessarily go after a "good" result for Labour that left the Tories in power but with a reduced majority? Like a 1987 result, when Kinnock stayed to fight the next election? Would Johnson be forced out then too? Thatcher stayed another 3 years and without the poll tax maybe she would have fought an election in 1991 or 1992. And Johnson has suggested he wants a decade in power (God help us). So the 25% chance might not just be covering the scenario you sketch out, but also a scenario where Starmer beats Johnson in a second election in 2028 or something.rcs1000 said:25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.0 -
Now go drive a fuel tankerBenpointer said:
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You are correct that that is also a possibility.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Would Starmer necessarily go after a "good" result for Labour that left the Tories in power but with a reduced majority? Like a 1987 result, when Kinnock stayed to fight the next election? Would Johnson be forced out then too? Thatcher stayed another 3 years and without the poll tax maybe she would have fought an election in 1991 or 1992. And Johnson has suggested he wants a decade in power (God help us). So the 25% chance might not just be covering the scenario you sketch out, but also a scenario where Starmer beats Johnson in a second election in 2028 or something.rcs1000 said:25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.
However, I think it's also pretty unlikely that (in that scenario) Johnson ran to 2028.1 -
Re HYFD's complaint, he did say "especially" not "exclusively". In any case, as any fule kno there are absolutely no house-owning London-commuting Tory voters in the South Downs NP. They are all LD Nimbies like HYUFD in places like Petersfield. The psephology changes like magic once the EMU train trundles northward along the Portsmouth Direct line over the border ito Haslemere in Surrey.Anabobazina said:HYUFD said:
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So people are free to come here without limit if we concrete all over the green belt and most of the English countryside to build all the extra homes for them. A deeply unpopular proposal (and most people don't live within easy reach of AONB and National Parks, especially in London and the Home Counties
Anabob replied:
Back to GCSE Geography class for you!
How about the South Downs, New Forest, Dedham Vale, Broads, Surrey Hills, North Wessex Downs, High Weald, Chilterns, Cotswolds... I mean these are just of the top of my head!
(P.S. I absolutely agree with you about the green belt however!)
I blame the voltage fluctuations myself.0 -
Of those only the Surrey Hills is fully in the Home Counties, of the rest part of the Chilterns and Dedham Vale and High Weald and a tiny fraction of the North Wessex Downs and no National Parks are in London and the Home Counties (ie Essex, Hertfordshire, Bucks, Kent, Surrey and Berkshire).Anabobazina said:HYUFD said:
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So people are free to come here without limit if we concrete all over the green belt and most of the English countryside to build all the extra homes for them. A deeply unpopular proposal (and most people don't live within easy reach of AONB and National Parks, especially in London and the Home Counties
Anabob replied:
Back to GCSE Geography class for you!
How about the South Downs, New Forest, Dedham Vale, Broads, Surrey Hills, North Wessex Downs, High Weald, Chilterns, Cotswolds... I mean these are just of the top of my head!
(P.S. I absolutely agree with you about the green belt however!)
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Boffins at the University of Birmingham and the University of Surrey in England have managed to find a way to remove the contactless payment limit on iPhones with Apple Pay and Visa cards if "Express Transit" mode has been enabled.
https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/30/apple_pay_contactless_visa_fraud/
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Next FM betting:
Angus Robertson, SNP 7/2
Kate Forbes, SNP 9/2
John Swinney, SNP 8/1
Humza Yousaf, SNP 12/1
Anas Sarwar, Lab 25/2
Joanna Cherry, SNP 29/2
Keith Brown, SNP 31/2
Douglas Ross, Con 18/1
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Alex Cole-Hamilton, LD 39/1
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I think he'll resign if he doesn't make it in 2024 as he'll be 62. He'd be 67 by the time he was likely to become PM after the next election and I just don't think he'd fancy it.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Would Starmer necessarily go after a "good" result for Labour that left the Tories in power but with a reduced majority? Like a 1987 result, when Kinnock stayed to fight the next election? Would Johnson be forced out then too? Thatcher stayed another 3 years and without the poll tax maybe she would have fought an election in 1991 or 1992. And Johnson has suggested he wants a decade in power (God help us). So the 25% chance might not just be covering the scenario you sketch out, but also a scenario where Starmer beats Johnson in a second election in 2028 or something.rcs1000 said:25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.0 -
"voltage fluctuations" - pseudo scienceCarnyx said:
Re HYFD's complaint, he did say "especially" not "exclusively". In any case, as any fule kno there are absolutely no house-owning London-commuting Tory voters in the South Downs NP. They are all LD Nimbies like HYUFD in places like Petersfield. The psephology changes like magic once the EMU train trundles northward along the Portsmouth Direct line over the border ito Haslemere in Surrey.Anabobazina said:HYUFD said:
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So people are free to come here without limit if we concrete all over the green belt and most of the English countryside to build all the extra homes for them. A deeply unpopular proposal (and most people don't live within easy reach of AONB and National Parks, especially in London and the Home Counties
Anabob replied:
Back to GCSE Geography class for you!
How about the South Downs, New Forest, Dedham Vale, Broads, Surrey Hills, North Wessex Downs, High Weald, Chilterns, Cotswolds... I mean these are just of the top of my head!
(P.S. I absolutely agree with you about the green belt however!)
I blame the voltage fluctuations myself.
Everyone knows it is the variations in fluoridation of the water.
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Three ways that can happen.rcs1000 said:25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.
One is that Bozza's next campaign is overconfident and bombs as badly as May did in 2017.
Next, things go so wrong for the government that being Boris's successor becomes a poisoned chalice that nobody sensible wants. That sort of kept Major in place between '95 and '97. The flaw with that is that I don't see BoJo having the sense of duty to stay on once everyone starts being nasty to him.
Third is that the equal pulls of Sunak and Truss trying to depose him (sorry, "friends of Sunak and Truss") create a strange equilibrium that stops the Bozzmeister falling.
All possible, I guess. But not 25% possible.1 -
Well, I would do it in reverse: which Radiohead albums are not good?TOPPING said:
Morning. Could you please let me know what the best Radiohead album is.rcs1000 said:25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.
TIA
Asking FAF.
Obvs.
And there's really only one "bad" Radiohead album - Pablo Honey. And that's not actually bad, just immature.
You then have two "middling" Radiohead albums - The Bends and Hail to the Thief. Both have their moments, but both do not reach the heights of some other albums.
Then there are the "great, but not the greatest" albums - The King of Limbs, Amnesiac, A Moon Shaped Pool. Some really cracking songs on those albums: Present Tense, Lotus Flower, and I Might Be Wrong being particularly great examples.
And then you have the Holy Trio: OK Computer, Kid A and In Rainbows. I am particularly fond of the last of these, but you can make a case for any of them to be Radiohead's GOAT.
My faves from those: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbWBRnDK_AE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXl0F9oF92E, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYWYWPc9HU, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfQD1QiQ9o40 -
Soldiers to spy on citizens. Eek.
The Ministry of Defence has published a data strategy that calls on the British armed forces to make better use of its "enduring strategic asset" – by spying on social media and dobbing in dissenters to local councils.
In a move bound to fuel tinfoil hat-wearing conspiracy theorists, the MoD's Data Strategy for Defence document published this week says the military ought to be carrying out "Automated scanning of social media platforms" to detect "change in population sentiment."
"Decision making is enhanced by local surveillance of groups of interest," notes the strategy document, adding that spying on irritated citizens' Facebook rants helps "local authorities" impose "heightened readiness measures".
Nowhere does the document explain why a strategy paper has gone so far off the beaten track that it promotes collecting data the MoD doesn't have and using it for decidedly non-military purposes.
https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/30/mod_data_strategy_social_media_surveillance/
MoD paper at
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/data-strategy-for-defence/data-strategy-for-defence0 -
Not even at 10,000-1?squareroot2 said:I wouldn't put a penny on Starmer.
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Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html0 -
Does it matter? How accurately is it being measured?DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html0 -
Fairly balanced and indeed but the problem is that the EU countries aren't quickly coming up to our level of prosperity.kjh said:
Now here is a dilemma as I agree with both @HYUFD and @Philip_Thompson (I know I'm a LD and so you should expect nothing different that I support both sides of the argument).HYUFD said:
So people are free to come here without limit if we concrete all over the green belt and most of the English countryside to build all the extra homes for them. A deeply unpopular proposal (and most people don't live within easy reach of AONB and National Parks, especially in London and the Home Counties)Philip_Thompson said:
Why's it strange?Benpointer said:
... yes a strange ommission to his liberatarian ideals.HYUFD said:
Philip Thompson is a libertarian free trader who I believe wants global free trade with no tariffs and customs barriers anywhere and no state subsidies for farming or industry.nico679 said:
The fisheries have been screwed because of Bozos deal . The NTBs in that deal is what has caused all the issues . You seem happy to see many sectors go to the wall which is rather unpatriotic given I thought voting Brexit was a badge of patriotism and all Remainers like myself were allegedly not patriotic enough !Philip_Thompson said:
I will say the same for fisheries as I say for farming, driver's salaries or anything else ... Let the market sort it out.nico679 said:
British producers thank you for your support ! Next you’ll be spinning the devastating losses incurred by British fisheries into a positive .Philip_Thompson said:
Or just buy imported meat.HYUFD said:
There seems to be a shortage of abbatoir workers all round at present, some may well face a nut roast Christmas even if they are meat eatersFysics_Teacher said:
Presumably this is just for shop bought versions; I assume a shortage of sausages or bacon would have been reported more widely.HYUFD said:BREAKING: The UK is facing a Christmas this year without pigs in blankets due to a shortage of staff
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1443881748270551044?s=20
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58749841
Not the end of the world either way. Meat is meat.
If our fishermen have a competitive advantage then great, exercise it, if not then c'est la vie.
Though I don't think he has gone so far as to support free movement globally and accepts Boris' points system for migrants
I've said I don't care if people are free to come here so long as we eliminate the green belt and people are free to build too. Since we don't have free construction, we can't justify free movement either. The two need to go hand-in-hand.
I back free construction though. I back the elimination of the green belt and the elimination of planning permission (though I'd keep restrictions exclusively for AONBs etc).
I believe in free movement of goods and labour in theory. However with different countries at different levels of prosperity that is not possible with labour as there would be mass migration. There is not the infrastructure to support that and I don't want the greenbelt destroyed. Once we do it's gone forever.
I did like what we had in the EU. Introducing countries under but close to our level of prosperity, causing immigration and bringing those countries up to our level fairly quickly after which the movement would balance out nicely.
Maybe it was balancing out until the 90s, but our population has grown by over 10 million within a generation and that wasn't slowing down. Now as I've said repeatedly I don't care if we have population growth so long as we have the construction to match it, but we never did which is why house price to earnings ratio when from 3.5x in 2003 before Eastern accession to ~6-7x just a few years later.
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Best in the world.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html2 -
It certainly is,, its excellent. 👍RochdalePioneers said:
Best in the world.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html0 -
I should have included How to Disappear Completely (from Kid A), which Thom Yorke regards as the best song Radiohead ever made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6HhdqA95wrcs1000 said:
Well, I would do it in reverse: which Radiohead albums are not good?TOPPING said:
Morning. Could you please let me know what the best Radiohead album is.rcs1000 said:25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.
TIA
Asking FAF.
Obvs.
And there's really only one "bad" Radiohead album - Pablo Honey. And that's not actually bad, just immature.
You then have two "middling" Radiohead albums - The Bends and Hail to the Thief. Both have their moments, but both do not reach the heights of some other albums.
Then there are the "great, but not the greatest" albums - The King of Limbs, Amnesiac, A Moon Shaped Pool. Some really cracking songs on those albums: Present Tense, Lotus Flower, and I Might Be Wrong being particularly great examples.
And then you have the Holy Trio: OK Computer, Kid A and In Rainbows. I am particularly fond of the last of these, but you can make a case for any of them to be Radiohead's GOAT.
My faves from those: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbWBRnDK_AE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXl0F9oF92E, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYWYWPc9HU, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfQD1QiQ9o40 -
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Excellent thanks.rcs1000 said:
Well, I would do it in reverse: which Radiohead albums are not good?TOPPING said:
Morning. Could you please let me know what the best Radiohead album is.rcs1000 said:25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.
TIA
Asking FAF.
Obvs.
And there's really only one "bad" Radiohead album - Pablo Honey. And that's not actually bad, just immature.
You then have two "middling" Radiohead albums - The Bends and Hail to the Thief. Both have their moments, but both do not reach the heights of some other albums.
Then there are the "great, but not the greatest" albums - The King of Limbs, Amnesiac, A Moon Shaped Pool. Some really cracking songs on those albums: Present Tense, Lotus Flower, and I Might Be Wrong being particularly great examples.
And then you have the Holy Trio: OK Computer, Kid A and In Rainbows. I am particularly fond of the last of these, but you can make a case for any of them to be Radiohead's GOAT.
My faves from those: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbWBRnDK_AE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXl0F9oF92E, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYWYWPc9HU, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfQD1QiQ9o4
I'll tell my "friend".
*sticks In Rainbows on Amazon Music as am working*
Edit: *takes off, sadly, give 'em enough rope*
Edit II: after Tommy Gun, obvs.0 -
Would you rather go into the winter with those infections in front of us or behind us?RochdalePioneers said:
Best in the world.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html0 -
Ours is being measured by the gold standard that is the ONS.noneoftheabove said:
Does it matter? How accurately is it being measured?DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html
Always amuses my foreign friends and colleagues the head of UK Statistics Authority can publicly chastise the PM downwards for misusing official stats.0 -
Anyhoo, I'm getting my booster jab this weekend.1
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I'm not sure your memory of UK house prices to earnings ratios is entirely accurate:Philip_Thompson said:
Fairly balanced and indeed but the problem is that the EU countries aren't quickly coming up to our level of prosperity.kjh said:
Now here is a dilemma as I agree with both @HYUFD and @Philip_Thompson (I know I'm a LD and so you should expect nothing different that I support both sides of the argument).HYUFD said:
So people are free to come here without limit if we concrete all over the green belt and most of the English countryside to build all the extra homes for them. A deeply unpopular proposal (and most people don't live within easy reach of AONB and National Parks, especially in London and the Home Counties)Philip_Thompson said:
Why's it strange?Benpointer said:
... yes a strange ommission to his liberatarian ideals.HYUFD said:
Philip Thompson is a libertarian free trader who I believe wants global free trade with no tariffs and customs barriers anywhere and no state subsidies for farming or industry.nico679 said:
The fisheries have been screwed because of Bozos deal . The NTBs in that deal is what has caused all the issues . You seem happy to see many sectors go to the wall which is rather unpatriotic given I thought voting Brexit was a badge of patriotism and all Remainers like myself were allegedly not patriotic enough !Philip_Thompson said:
I will say the same for fisheries as I say for farming, driver's salaries or anything else ... Let the market sort it out.nico679 said:
British producers thank you for your support ! Next you’ll be spinning the devastating losses incurred by British fisheries into a positive .Philip_Thompson said:
Or just buy imported meat.HYUFD said:
There seems to be a shortage of abbatoir workers all round at present, some may well face a nut roast Christmas even if they are meat eatersFysics_Teacher said:
Presumably this is just for shop bought versions; I assume a shortage of sausages or bacon would have been reported more widely.HYUFD said:BREAKING: The UK is facing a Christmas this year without pigs in blankets due to a shortage of staff
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1443881748270551044?s=20
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58749841
Not the end of the world either way. Meat is meat.
If our fishermen have a competitive advantage then great, exercise it, if not then c'est la vie.
Though I don't think he has gone so far as to support free movement globally and accepts Boris' points system for migrants
I've said I don't care if people are free to come here so long as we eliminate the green belt and people are free to build too. Since we don't have free construction, we can't justify free movement either. The two need to go hand-in-hand.
I back free construction though. I back the elimination of the green belt and the elimination of planning permission (though I'd keep restrictions exclusively for AONBs etc).
I believe in free movement of goods and labour in theory. However with different countries at different levels of prosperity that is not possible with labour as there would be mass migration. There is not the infrastructure to support that and I don't want the greenbelt destroyed. Once we do it's gone forever.
I did like what we had in the EU. Introducing countries under but close to our level of prosperity, causing immigration and bringing those countries up to our level fairly quickly after which the movement would balance out nicely.
Maybe it was balancing out until the 90s, but our population has grown by over 10 million within a generation and that wasn't slowing down. Now as I've said repeatedly I don't care if we have population growth so long as we have the construction to match it, but we never did which is why house price to earnings ratio when from 3.5x in 2003 before Eastern accession to ~6-7x just a few years later.
Do you think its fair to link the concepts of free movement with free construction? If we aren't going to have one, how can we justify the other?
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Only a complete **** would spell Tom with an h.rcs1000 said:
I should have included How to Disappear Completely (from Kid A), which Thom Yorke regards as the best song Radiohead ever made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6HhdqA95wrcs1000 said:
Well, I would do it in reverse: which Radiohead albums are not good?TOPPING said:
Morning. Could you please let me know what the best Radiohead album is.rcs1000 said:25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.
TIA
Asking FAF.
Obvs.
And there's really only one "bad" Radiohead album - Pablo Honey. And that's not actually bad, just immature.
You then have two "middling" Radiohead albums - The Bends and Hail to the Thief. Both have their moments, but both do not reach the heights of some other albums.
Then there are the "great, but not the greatest" albums - The King of Limbs, Amnesiac, A Moon Shaped Pool. Some really cracking songs on those albums: Present Tense, Lotus Flower, and I Might Be Wrong being particularly great examples.
And then you have the Holy Trio: OK Computer, Kid A and In Rainbows. I am particularly fond of the last of these, but you can make a case for any of them to be Radiohead's GOAT.
My faves from those: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbWBRnDK_AE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXl0F9oF92E, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYWYWPc9HU, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfQD1QiQ9o40 -
Well, that's a relief. We don't need to worry about 'levelling up' meaning that London gets downgraded:
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1443932852123484169
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That's nearly as bad as pronouncing surnames that sound nothing like how they are spelled.tlg86 said:
Only a complete **** would spell Tom with an h.rcs1000 said:
I should have included How to Disappear Completely (from Kid A), which Thom Yorke regards as the best song Radiohead ever made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6HhdqA95wrcs1000 said:
Well, I would do it in reverse: which Radiohead albums are not good?TOPPING said:
Morning. Could you please let me know what the best Radiohead album is.rcs1000 said:25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.
TIA
Asking FAF.
Obvs.
And there's really only one "bad" Radiohead album - Pablo Honey. And that's not actually bad, just immature.
You then have two "middling" Radiohead albums - The Bends and Hail to the Thief. Both have their moments, but both do not reach the heights of some other albums.
Then there are the "great, but not the greatest" albums - The King of Limbs, Amnesiac, A Moon Shaped Pool. Some really cracking songs on those albums: Present Tense, Lotus Flower, and I Might Be Wrong being particularly great examples.
And then you have the Holy Trio: OK Computer, Kid A and In Rainbows. I am particularly fond of the last of these, but you can make a case for any of them to be Radiohead's GOAT.
My faves from those: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbWBRnDK_AE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXl0F9oF92E, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYWYWPc9HU, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfQD1QiQ9o40 -
Not combined with a flu jab?TheScreamingEagles said:Anyhoo, I'm getting my booster jab this weekend.
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Nope, getting that separately.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Not combined with a flu jab?TheScreamingEagles said:Anyhoo, I'm getting my booster jab this weekend.
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That's a pretty harsh thing to say about his mum.tlg86 said:
Only a complete **** would spell Tom with an h.rcs1000 said:
I should have included How to Disappear Completely (from Kid A), which Thom Yorke regards as the best song Radiohead ever made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6HhdqA95wrcs1000 said:
Well, I would do it in reverse: which Radiohead albums are not good?TOPPING said:
Morning. Could you please let me know what the best Radiohead album is.rcs1000 said:25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.
TIA
Asking FAF.
Obvs.
And there's really only one "bad" Radiohead album - Pablo Honey. And that's not actually bad, just immature.
You then have two "middling" Radiohead albums - The Bends and Hail to the Thief. Both have their moments, but both do not reach the heights of some other albums.
Then there are the "great, but not the greatest" albums - The King of Limbs, Amnesiac, A Moon Shaped Pool. Some really cracking songs on those albums: Present Tense, Lotus Flower, and I Might Be Wrong being particularly great examples.
And then you have the Holy Trio: OK Computer, Kid A and In Rainbows. I am particularly fond of the last of these, but you can make a case for any of them to be Radiohead's GOAT.
My faves from those: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbWBRnDK_AE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXl0F9oF92E, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYWYWPc9HU, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfQD1QiQ9o40 -
The issue is testing rates.williamglenn said:
Would you rather go into the winter with those infections in front of us or behind us?RochdalePioneers said:
Best in the world.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html
The UK is still doing a very high rate of tests per head of population, compared with most other countries.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-cumulative-total-tests-per-thousand-map?tab=table
As Donald Trump observed, the more you test, the more you find.1 -
I think that the markets just reflect that after last week, both via the change in nomination threshold and the reception to his speech, that Starmer will be LOTO next GE. I think Johnson could not create a coalition, so a hung Parliament puts him in Number 10, albeit in a rather unstable minority government.
25% may be a little high as Johnson could go by choice or coup, but I think not. There is a long way to the next GE, so probably fair value at present. It might even work as a trading bet as the GE gets closer.1 -
If you are working from home may as well get the London weighting!Richard_Nabavi said:Well, that's a relief. We don't need to worry about 'levelling up' meaning that London gets downgraded:
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/14439328521234841691 -
As the pox cases level is sustained at a continuous 30-40k new cases per day, what makes you think we will have those infections behind us?williamglenn said:
Would you rather go into the winter with those infections in front of us or behind us?RochdalePioneers said:
Best in the world.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html0 -
Did she encourage him to spell it that way? His real name is Thomas.rcs1000 said:
That's a pretty harsh thing to say about his mum.tlg86 said:
Only a complete **** would spell Tom with an h.rcs1000 said:
I should have included How to Disappear Completely (from Kid A), which Thom Yorke regards as the best song Radiohead ever made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6HhdqA95wrcs1000 said:
Well, I would do it in reverse: which Radiohead albums are not good?TOPPING said:
Morning. Could you please let me know what the best Radiohead album is.rcs1000 said:25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.
TIA
Asking FAF.
Obvs.
And there's really only one "bad" Radiohead album - Pablo Honey. And that's not actually bad, just immature.
You then have two "middling" Radiohead albums - The Bends and Hail to the Thief. Both have their moments, but both do not reach the heights of some other albums.
Then there are the "great, but not the greatest" albums - The King of Limbs, Amnesiac, A Moon Shaped Pool. Some really cracking songs on those albums: Present Tense, Lotus Flower, and I Might Be Wrong being particularly great examples.
And then you have the Holy Trio: OK Computer, Kid A and In Rainbows. I am particularly fond of the last of these, but you can make a case for any of them to be Radiohead's GOAT.
My faves from those: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbWBRnDK_AE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXl0F9oF92E, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYWYWPc9HU, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfQD1QiQ9o40 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
That's nearly as bad as pronouncing surnames that sound nothing like how they are spelled.tlg86 said:
Only a complete **** would spell Tom with an h.rcs1000 said:
I should have included How to Disappear Completely (from Kid A), which Thom Yorke regards as the best song Radiohead ever made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6HhdqA95wrcs1000 said:
Well, I would do it in reverse: which Radiohead albums are not good?TOPPING said:
Morning. Could you please let me know what the best Radiohead album is.rcs1000 said:25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.
TIA
Asking FAF.
Obvs.
And there's really only one "bad" Radiohead album - Pablo Honey. And that's not actually bad, just immature.
You then have two "middling" Radiohead albums - The Bends and Hail to the Thief. Both have their moments, but both do not reach the heights of some other albums.
Then there are the "great, but not the greatest" albums - The King of Limbs, Amnesiac, A Moon Shaped Pool. Some really cracking songs on those albums: Present Tense, Lotus Flower, and I Might Be Wrong being particularly great examples.
And then you have the Holy Trio: OK Computer, Kid A and In Rainbows. I am particularly fond of the last of these, but you can make a case for any of them to be Radiohead's GOAT.
My faves from those: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbWBRnDK_AE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXl0F9oF92E, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYWYWPc9HU, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfQD1QiQ9o4
EDIT: To be fair, I do it because it's easier to say - three syllables as opposed to five.1 -
Yes, it's a very modern solution: just self-identify as a London worker.noneoftheabove said:
If you are working from home may as well get the London weighting!Richard_Nabavi said:Well, that's a relief. We don't need to worry about 'levelling up' meaning that London gets downgraded:
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/14439328521234841690 -
Mr. Eagles, didn't know you were old enough for a booster.0
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Reminds me of Gerald Durrell's chimp Cholmondeley St John. Pronouncing that comnpletely confused me as a child.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's nearly as bad as pronouncing surnames that sound nothing like how they are spelled.tlg86 said:
Only a complete **** would spell Tom with an h.rcs1000 said:
I should have included How to Disappear Completely (from Kid A), which Thom Yorke regards as the best song Radiohead ever made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6HhdqA95wrcs1000 said:
Well, I would do it in reverse: which Radiohead albums are not good?TOPPING said:
Morning. Could you please let me know what the best Radiohead album is.rcs1000 said:25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.
TIA
Asking FAF.
Obvs.
And there's really only one "bad" Radiohead album - Pablo Honey. And that's not actually bad, just immature.
You then have two "middling" Radiohead albums - The Bends and Hail to the Thief. Both have their moments, but both do not reach the heights of some other albums.
Then there are the "great, but not the greatest" albums - The King of Limbs, Amnesiac, A Moon Shaped Pool. Some really cracking songs on those albums: Present Tense, Lotus Flower, and I Might Be Wrong being particularly great examples.
And then you have the Holy Trio: OK Computer, Kid A and In Rainbows. I am particularly fond of the last of these, but you can make a case for any of them to be Radiohead's GOAT.
My faves from those: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbWBRnDK_AE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXl0F9oF92E, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYWYWPc9HU, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfQD1QiQ9o41 -
"Its spelt Raymond Luxury-Yacht but it's pronounced Throatwobbler-Mangrove"TheScreamingEagles said:
That's nearly as bad as pronouncing surnames that sound nothing like how they are spelled.tlg86 said:
Only a complete **** would spell Tom with an h.rcs1000 said:
I should have included How to Disappear Completely (from Kid A), which Thom Yorke regards as the best song Radiohead ever made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6HhdqA95wrcs1000 said:
Well, I would do it in reverse: which Radiohead albums are not good?TOPPING said:
Morning. Could you please let me know what the best Radiohead album is.rcs1000 said:25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.
TIA
Asking FAF.
Obvs.
And there's really only one "bad" Radiohead album - Pablo Honey. And that's not actually bad, just immature.
You then have two "middling" Radiohead albums - The Bends and Hail to the Thief. Both have their moments, but both do not reach the heights of some other albums.
Then there are the "great, but not the greatest" albums - The King of Limbs, Amnesiac, A Moon Shaped Pool. Some really cracking songs on those albums: Present Tense, Lotus Flower, and I Might Be Wrong being particularly great examples.
And then you have the Holy Trio: OK Computer, Kid A and In Rainbows. I am particularly fond of the last of these, but you can make a case for any of them to be Radiohead's GOAT.
My faves from those: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbWBRnDK_AE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXl0F9oF92E, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYWYWPc9HU, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfQD1QiQ9o42 -
I'm not, I'm at the towards the top of the vulnerable list.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, didn't know you were old enough for a booster.
Plus, I had my second dose in March and they ensuring a six month gap between the second and booster jabs.0 -
The thing that puzzles me is how nearly no other country seems to be doing the ONS style population survey tests.TheScreamingEagles said:
Ours is being measured by the gold standard that is the ONS.noneoftheabove said:
Does it matter? How accurately is it being measured?DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html
Always amuses my foreign friends and colleagues the head of UK Statistics Authority can publicly chastise the PM downwards for misusing official stats.
It doesn't take a vast amount of tests, or a vast amount of money to do such a survey. And, using established, standard techniques to ensure the samples are balanced, it can give you an accurate (scientifically speaking) estimate of the actual infection levels.
Anyone know why?3 -
Best to stop testing people. If we stop testing then there is zero covid and we can all get on with our lives!Malmesbury said:
The issue is testing rates.williamglenn said:
Would you rather go into the winter with those infections in front of us or behind us?RochdalePioneers said:
Best in the world.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html
The UK is still doing a very high rate of tests per head of population, compared with most other countries.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-cumulative-total-tests-per-thousand-map?tab=table
As Donald Trump observed, the more you test, the more you find.
What do these other countries mean they won't let us in???0 -
OK listening to In Rainbows.
First track (looks: 15 Step) feels like it's been on for 15 years.
Bye all!0 -
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1RochdalePioneers said:
As the pox cases level is sustained at a continuous 30-40k new cases per day, what makes you think we will have those infections behind us?williamglenn said:
Would you rather go into the winter with those infections in front of us or behind us?RochdalePioneers said:
Best in the world.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html
This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity.1 -
Your first sentence is what D. Trump was proposing.....RochdalePioneers said:
Best to stop testing people. If we stop testing then there is zero covid and we can all get on with our lives!Malmesbury said:
The issue is testing rates.williamglenn said:
Would you rather go into the winter with those infections in front of us or behind us?RochdalePioneers said:
Best in the world.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html
The UK is still doing a very high rate of tests per head of population, compared with most other countries.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-cumulative-total-tests-per-thousand-map?tab=table
As Donald Trump observed, the more you test, the more you find.
What do these other countries mean they won't let us in???
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Don't quote me on this but isn't the ONS tests linked to our sequencing/vaccine general stuff to tackle Covid-19 efforts?Malmesbury said:
The thing that puzzles me is how nearly no other country seems to be doing the ONS style population survey tests.TheScreamingEagles said:
Ours is being measured by the gold standard that is the ONS.noneoftheabove said:
Does it matter? How accurately is it being measured?DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html
Always amuses my foreign friends and colleagues the head of UK Statistics Authority can publicly chastise the PM downwards for misusing official stats.
It doesn't take a vast amount of tests, or a vast amount of money to do such a survey. And, using established, standard techniques to ensure the samples are balanced, it can give you an accurate (scientifically speaking) estimate of the actual infection levels.
Anyone know why?
Not all countries have those facilities/requirements?0 -
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We've now reached the point where the public are being advised to flag down buses to protect themselves from police officers. And the head of the Metropolitan Police remains in post. How does anyone in authority seriously think this is a sustainable position.4 -
Look at yesterday's figures:RochdalePioneers said:
Best to stop testing people. If we stop testing then there is zero covid and we can all get on with our lives!Malmesbury said:
The issue is testing rates.williamglenn said:
Would you rather go into the winter with those infections in front of us or behind us?RochdalePioneers said:
Best in the world.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html
The UK is still doing a very high rate of tests per head of population, compared with most other countries.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-cumulative-total-tests-per-thousand-map?tab=table
As Donald Trump observed, the more you test, the more you find.
What do these other countries mean they won't let us in???
UK (pop 68m)
Cases: +36,480
Deaths: +137
Romania (pop 19m)
Cases: +12,032
Deaths: +1761 -
You're right I muddled up different ratios - but still the reality was bad enough.rcs1000 said:
I'm not sure your memory of UK house prices to earnings ratios is entirely accurate:Philip_Thompson said:
Fairly balanced and indeed but the problem is that the EU countries aren't quickly coming up to our level of prosperity.kjh said:
Now here is a dilemma as I agree with both @HYUFD and @Philip_Thompson (I know I'm a LD and so you should expect nothing different that I support both sides of the argument).HYUFD said:
So people are free to come here without limit if we concrete all over the green belt and most of the English countryside to build all the extra homes for them. A deeply unpopular proposal (and most people don't live within easy reach of AONB and National Parks, especially in London and the Home Counties)Philip_Thompson said:
Why's it strange?Benpointer said:
... yes a strange ommission to his liberatarian ideals.HYUFD said:
Philip Thompson is a libertarian free trader who I believe wants global free trade with no tariffs and customs barriers anywhere and no state subsidies for farming or industry.nico679 said:
The fisheries have been screwed because of Bozos deal . The NTBs in that deal is what has caused all the issues . You seem happy to see many sectors go to the wall which is rather unpatriotic given I thought voting Brexit was a badge of patriotism and all Remainers like myself were allegedly not patriotic enough !Philip_Thompson said:
I will say the same for fisheries as I say for farming, driver's salaries or anything else ... Let the market sort it out.nico679 said:
British producers thank you for your support ! Next you’ll be spinning the devastating losses incurred by British fisheries into a positive .Philip_Thompson said:
Or just buy imported meat.HYUFD said:
There seems to be a shortage of abbatoir workers all round at present, some may well face a nut roast Christmas even if they are meat eatersFysics_Teacher said:
Presumably this is just for shop bought versions; I assume a shortage of sausages or bacon would have been reported more widely.HYUFD said:BREAKING: The UK is facing a Christmas this year without pigs in blankets due to a shortage of staff
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1443881748270551044?s=20
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58749841
Not the end of the world either way. Meat is meat.
If our fishermen have a competitive advantage then great, exercise it, if not then c'est la vie.
Though I don't think he has gone so far as to support free movement globally and accepts Boris' points system for migrants
I've said I don't care if people are free to come here so long as we eliminate the green belt and people are free to build too. Since we don't have free construction, we can't justify free movement either. The two need to go hand-in-hand.
I back free construction though. I back the elimination of the green belt and the elimination of planning permission (though I'd keep restrictions exclusively for AONBs etc).
I believe in free movement of goods and labour in theory. However with different countries at different levels of prosperity that is not possible with labour as there would be mass migration. There is not the infrastructure to support that and I don't want the greenbelt destroyed. Once we do it's gone forever.
I did like what we had in the EU. Introducing countries under but close to our level of prosperity, causing immigration and bringing those countries up to our level fairly quickly after which the movement would balance out nicely.
Maybe it was balancing out until the 90s, but our population has grown by over 10 million within a generation and that wasn't slowing down. Now as I've said repeatedly I don't care if we have population growth so long as we have the construction to match it, but we never did which is why house price to earnings ratio when from 3.5x in 2003 before Eastern accession to ~6-7x just a few years later.
Do you think its fair to link the concepts of free movement with free construction? If we aren't going to have one, how can we justify the other?
Look at that steep climb following EU expansion. Which predated interest rate cuts a few years later.0 -
London Mayor Sadiq Khan says he's "confident" Cressida Dick is the "right person to bring about the transformation needed" in the Met Police
https://bbc.in/3kZ6mAD https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1443929971161018370/video/10 -
I am trying to remember the context of the skit - aristocrat states that his name is {insert all the german and hyphens here} - "pronounced 'Smith'"RochdalePioneers said:
"Its spelt Raymond Luxury-Yacht but it's pronounced Throatwobbler-Mangrove"TheScreamingEagles said:
That's nearly as bad as pronouncing surnames that sound nothing like how they are spelled.tlg86 said:
Only a complete **** would spell Tom with an h.rcs1000 said:
I should have included How to Disappear Completely (from Kid A), which Thom Yorke regards as the best song Radiohead ever made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6HhdqA95wrcs1000 said:
Well, I would do it in reverse: which Radiohead albums are not good?TOPPING said:
Morning. Could you please let me know what the best Radiohead album is.rcs1000 said:25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.
TIA
Asking FAF.
Obvs.
And there's really only one "bad" Radiohead album - Pablo Honey. And that's not actually bad, just immature.
You then have two "middling" Radiohead albums - The Bends and Hail to the Thief. Both have their moments, but both do not reach the heights of some other albums.
Then there are the "great, but not the greatest" albums - The King of Limbs, Amnesiac, A Moon Shaped Pool. Some really cracking songs on those albums: Present Tense, Lotus Flower, and I Might Be Wrong being particularly great examples.
And then you have the Holy Trio: OK Computer, Kid A and In Rainbows. I am particularly fond of the last of these, but you can make a case for any of them to be Radiohead's GOAT.
My faves from those: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbWBRnDK_AE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXl0F9oF92E, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYWYWPc9HU, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfQD1QiQ9o40 -
Indeed, it is silly, pretty sure no-one has successfully flagged down a bus in the last decade....rottenborough said:
(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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5h
We've now reached the point where the public are being advised to flag down buses to protect themselves from police officers. And the head of the Metropolitan Police remains in post. How does anyone in authority seriously think this is a sustainable position.0 -
Philip Collins
@PhilipJCollins1
I always love it when Tories finally wake up to problems we've known about for ever and then blithely assume they'll fix them in no time. Amazing naivete.0 -
Why should we care what they do or do not allow? But yes, stopping testing is what almost every other nation has done relative to what we're doing.RochdalePioneers said:
Best to stop testing people. If we stop testing then there is zero covid and we can all get on with our lives!Malmesbury said:
The issue is testing rates.williamglenn said:
Would you rather go into the winter with those infections in front of us or behind us?RochdalePioneers said:
Best in the world.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html
The UK is still doing a very high rate of tests per head of population, compared with most other countries.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-cumulative-total-tests-per-thousand-map?tab=table
As Donald Trump observed, the more you test, the more you find.
What do these other countries mean they won't let us in???
Mass testing for a virus we're vaccinated against is beyond ridiculous now. Complete waste of money, its time to stop it and get on with our lives.2 -
It is pretty inevitable that the work by euro civil servants being onshored would mean that we need more here. That's even before we start new customs staff etc.Richard_Nabavi said:Well, that's a relief. We don't need to worry about 'levelling up' meaning that London gets downgraded:
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/14439328521234841690 -
The inconsistency of pronouncing 'St John' really irked me.Carnyx said:
Reminds me of Gerald Durrell's chimp Cholmondeley St John. Pronouncing that comnpletely confused me as a child.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's nearly as bad as pronouncing surnames that sound nothing like how they are spelled.tlg86 said:
Only a complete **** would spell Tom with an h.rcs1000 said:
I should have included How to Disappear Completely (from Kid A), which Thom Yorke regards as the best song Radiohead ever made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6HhdqA95wrcs1000 said:
Well, I would do it in reverse: which Radiohead albums are not good?TOPPING said:
Morning. Could you please let me know what the best Radiohead album is.rcs1000 said:25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.
TIA
Asking FAF.
Obvs.
And there's really only one "bad" Radiohead album - Pablo Honey. And that's not actually bad, just immature.
You then have two "middling" Radiohead albums - The Bends and Hail to the Thief. Both have their moments, but both do not reach the heights of some other albums.
Then there are the "great, but not the greatest" albums - The King of Limbs, Amnesiac, A Moon Shaped Pool. Some really cracking songs on those albums: Present Tense, Lotus Flower, and I Might Be Wrong being particularly great examples.
And then you have the Holy Trio: OK Computer, Kid A and In Rainbows. I am particularly fond of the last of these, but you can make a case for any of them to be Radiohead's GOAT.
My faves from those: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbWBRnDK_AE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXl0F9oF92E, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYWYWPc9HU, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfQD1QiQ9o4
Nearly as much as the inconsistency of St. James' Park, St James Park, and St James's Park.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_James'_Park
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_James_Park_(Exeter)
https://www.royalparks.org.uk/parks/st-jamess-park1 -
Khan is a waste of space.Scott_xP said:London Mayor Sadiq Khan says he's "confident" Cressida Dick is the "right person to bring about the transformation needed" in the Met Police
https://bbc.in/3kZ6mAD https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1443929971161018370/video/11 -
Shortening Thomas to Thom is as absurd as shortening Anthony to Thony.tlg86 said:
Did she encourage him to spell it that way? His real name is Thomas.rcs1000 said:
That's a pretty harsh thing to say about his mum.tlg86 said:
Only a complete **** would spell Tom with an h.rcs1000 said:
I should have included How to Disappear Completely (from Kid A), which Thom Yorke regards as the best song Radiohead ever made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6HhdqA95wrcs1000 said:
Well, I would do it in reverse: which Radiohead albums are not good?TOPPING said:
Morning. Could you please let me know what the best Radiohead album is.rcs1000 said:25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.
TIA
Asking FAF.
Obvs.
And there's really only one "bad" Radiohead album - Pablo Honey. And that's not actually bad, just immature.
You then have two "middling" Radiohead albums - The Bends and Hail to the Thief. Both have their moments, but both do not reach the heights of some other albums.
Then there are the "great, but not the greatest" albums - The King of Limbs, Amnesiac, A Moon Shaped Pool. Some really cracking songs on those albums: Present Tense, Lotus Flower, and I Might Be Wrong being particularly great examples.
And then you have the Holy Trio: OK Computer, Kid A and In Rainbows. I am particularly fond of the last of these, but you can make a case for any of them to be Radiohead's GOAT.
My faves from those: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbWBRnDK_AE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXl0F9oF92E, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYWYWPc9HU, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfQD1QiQ9o42 -
In 2003, house price to earnings for the UK were just under 5, as I read the chart. And on the eve of the Brexit referendum in 2015, they were... just over 5.Philip_Thompson said:
You're right I muddled up different ratios - but still the reality was bad enough.rcs1000 said:
I'm not sure your memory of UK house prices to earnings ratios is entirely accurate:Philip_Thompson said:
Fairly balanced and indeed but the problem is that the EU countries aren't quickly coming up to our level of prosperity.kjh said:
Now here is a dilemma as I agree with both @HYUFD and @Philip_Thompson (I know I'm a LD and so you should expect nothing different that I support both sides of the argument).HYUFD said:
So people are free to come here without limit if we concrete all over the green belt and most of the English countryside to build all the extra homes for them. A deeply unpopular proposal (and most people don't live within easy reach of AONB and National Parks, especially in London and the Home Counties)Philip_Thompson said:
Why's it strange?Benpointer said:
... yes a strange ommission to his liberatarian ideals.HYUFD said:
Philip Thompson is a libertarian free trader who I believe wants global free trade with no tariffs and customs barriers anywhere and no state subsidies for farming or industry.nico679 said:
The fisheries have been screwed because of Bozos deal . The NTBs in that deal is what has caused all the issues . You seem happy to see many sectors go to the wall which is rather unpatriotic given I thought voting Brexit was a badge of patriotism and all Remainers like myself were allegedly not patriotic enough !Philip_Thompson said:
I will say the same for fisheries as I say for farming, driver's salaries or anything else ... Let the market sort it out.nico679 said:
British producers thank you for your support ! Next you’ll be spinning the devastating losses incurred by British fisheries into a positive .Philip_Thompson said:
Or just buy imported meat.HYUFD said:
There seems to be a shortage of abbatoir workers all round at present, some may well face a nut roast Christmas even if they are meat eatersFysics_Teacher said:
Presumably this is just for shop bought versions; I assume a shortage of sausages or bacon would have been reported more widely.HYUFD said:BREAKING: The UK is facing a Christmas this year without pigs in blankets due to a shortage of staff
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1443881748270551044?s=20
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58749841
Not the end of the world either way. Meat is meat.
If our fishermen have a competitive advantage then great, exercise it, if not then c'est la vie.
Though I don't think he has gone so far as to support free movement globally and accepts Boris' points system for migrants
I've said I don't care if people are free to come here so long as we eliminate the green belt and people are free to build too. Since we don't have free construction, we can't justify free movement either. The two need to go hand-in-hand.
I back free construction though. I back the elimination of the green belt and the elimination of planning permission (though I'd keep restrictions exclusively for AONBs etc).
I believe in free movement of goods and labour in theory. However with different countries at different levels of prosperity that is not possible with labour as there would be mass migration. There is not the infrastructure to support that and I don't want the greenbelt destroyed. Once we do it's gone forever.
I did like what we had in the EU. Introducing countries under but close to our level of prosperity, causing immigration and bringing those countries up to our level fairly quickly after which the movement would balance out nicely.
Maybe it was balancing out until the 90s, but our population has grown by over 10 million within a generation and that wasn't slowing down. Now as I've said repeatedly I don't care if we have population growth so long as we have the construction to match it, but we never did which is why house price to earnings ratio when from 3.5x in 2003 before Eastern accession to ~6-7x just a few years later.
Do you think its fair to link the concepts of free movement with free construction? If we aren't going to have one, how can we justify the other?
Look at that steep climb following EU expansion. Which predated interest rate cuts a few years later.
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The ONS population survey is separate (IIRC) from the surveys relating to sequencing. The intent is purely to try and get a "true" number for COVID.TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't quote me on this but isn't the ONS tests linked to our sequencing/vaccine general stuff to tackle Covid-19 efforts?Malmesbury said:
The thing that puzzles me is how nearly no other country seems to be doing the ONS style population survey tests.TheScreamingEagles said:
Ours is being measured by the gold standard that is the ONS.noneoftheabove said:
Does it matter? How accurately is it being measured?DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html
Always amuses my foreign friends and colleagues the head of UK Statistics Authority can publicly chastise the PM downwards for misusing official stats.
It doesn't take a vast amount of tests, or a vast amount of money to do such a survey. And, using established, standard techniques to ensure the samples are balanced, it can give you an accurate (scientifically speaking) estimate of the actual infection levels.
Anyone know why?
Not all countries have those facilities/requirements?
All they are doing is testing a sample of the population. Then using standard techniques (familiar from opinion polling, for example) to correct the results to match to the population.
There is no reason that the stats/healthcare authorities in other countries can't do the same thing.
It's not that complex or expensive.0 -
Only two thirds of us are vaccinated.Philip_Thompson said:
Why should we care what they do or do not allow? But yes, stopping testing is what almost every other nation has done relative to what we're doing.RochdalePioneers said:
Best to stop testing people. If we stop testing then there is zero covid and we can all get on with our lives!Malmesbury said:
The issue is testing rates.williamglenn said:
Would you rather go into the winter with those infections in front of us or behind us?RochdalePioneers said:
Best in the world.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html
The UK is still doing a very high rate of tests per head of population, compared with most other countries.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-cumulative-total-tests-per-thousand-map?tab=table
As Donald Trump observed, the more you test, the more you find.
What do these other countries mean they won't let us in???
Mass testing for a virus we're vaccinated against is beyond ridiculous now. Complete waste of money, its time to stop it and get on with our lives.
Question - will we be able to "get on with our lives" as a pariah nation where we need to quarantine before being allowed into other nations? Our "high risk" / "extremely high risk" status will become a ball-ache pretty quickly if most of the rest of the world has squashed Covid and we haven't.0 -
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The big change, as I have mentioned on here before was Big Bang and when all the American IBs came over and catapulted banking into the stratosphere earnings-wise vs every other profession. That lead to the start of the house price boom which we are still seeing albeit as you note, it has fluctuated more normally since.rcs1000 said:
In 2003, house price to earnings for the UK were just under 5, as I read the chart. And on the eve of the Brexit referendum in 2015, they were... just over 5.Philip_Thompson said:
You're right I muddled up different ratios - but still the reality was bad enough.rcs1000 said:
I'm not sure your memory of UK house prices to earnings ratios is entirely accurate:Philip_Thompson said:
Fairly balanced and indeed but the problem is that the EU countries aren't quickly coming up to our level of prosperity.kjh said:
Now here is a dilemma as I agree with both @HYUFD and @Philip_Thompson (I know I'm a LD and so you should expect nothing different that I support both sides of the argument).HYUFD said:
So people are free to come here without limit if we concrete all over the green belt and most of the English countryside to build all the extra homes for them. A deeply unpopular proposal (and most people don't live within easy reach of AONB and National Parks, especially in London and the Home Counties)Philip_Thompson said:
Why's it strange?Benpointer said:
... yes a strange ommission to his liberatarian ideals.HYUFD said:
Philip Thompson is a libertarian free trader who I believe wants global free trade with no tariffs and customs barriers anywhere and no state subsidies for farming or industry.nico679 said:
The fisheries have been screwed because of Bozos deal . The NTBs in that deal is what has caused all the issues . You seem happy to see many sectors go to the wall which is rather unpatriotic given I thought voting Brexit was a badge of patriotism and all Remainers like myself were allegedly not patriotic enough !Philip_Thompson said:
I will say the same for fisheries as I say for farming, driver's salaries or anything else ... Let the market sort it out.nico679 said:
British producers thank you for your support ! Next you’ll be spinning the devastating losses incurred by British fisheries into a positive .Philip_Thompson said:
Or just buy imported meat.HYUFD said:
There seems to be a shortage of abbatoir workers all round at present, some may well face a nut roast Christmas even if they are meat eatersFysics_Teacher said:
Presumably this is just for shop bought versions; I assume a shortage of sausages or bacon would have been reported more widely.HYUFD said:BREAKING: The UK is facing a Christmas this year without pigs in blankets due to a shortage of staff
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1443881748270551044?s=20
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58749841
Not the end of the world either way. Meat is meat.
If our fishermen have a competitive advantage then great, exercise it, if not then c'est la vie.
Though I don't think he has gone so far as to support free movement globally and accepts Boris' points system for migrants
I've said I don't care if people are free to come here so long as we eliminate the green belt and people are free to build too. Since we don't have free construction, we can't justify free movement either. The two need to go hand-in-hand.
I back free construction though. I back the elimination of the green belt and the elimination of planning permission (though I'd keep restrictions exclusively for AONBs etc).
I believe in free movement of goods and labour in theory. However with different countries at different levels of prosperity that is not possible with labour as there would be mass migration. There is not the infrastructure to support that and I don't want the greenbelt destroyed. Once we do it's gone forever.
I did like what we had in the EU. Introducing countries under but close to our level of prosperity, causing immigration and bringing those countries up to our level fairly quickly after which the movement would balance out nicely.
Maybe it was balancing out until the 90s, but our population has grown by over 10 million within a generation and that wasn't slowing down. Now as I've said repeatedly I don't care if we have population growth so long as we have the construction to match it, but we never did which is why house price to earnings ratio when from 3.5x in 2003 before Eastern accession to ~6-7x just a few years later.
Do you think its fair to link the concepts of free movement with free construction? If we aren't going to have one, how can we justify the other?
Look at that steep climb following EU expansion. Which predated interest rate cuts a few years later.
And also, what mood exactly do you have to be in to appreciate In Rainbows to the maximum?0 -
I was told by a bus driver (TfL), not long before COVID, that stopping a bus between stops was banned.noneoftheabove said:
Indeed, it is silly, pretty sure no-one has successfully flagged down a bus in the last decade....rottenborough said:
(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
·
5h
We've now reached the point where the public are being advised to flag down buses to protect themselves from police officers. And the head of the Metropolitan Police remains in post. How does anyone in authority seriously think this is a sustainable position.
And that undercover bus inspectors would pull up a bus driver if he/she did it in front of them (the inspector) and pull them off the job then and there for disciplinary proceedings.0 -
Now you're misreading it. They didn't reach just under 5 until ~2005, the surge happened after expansion. It was more like ~3.5 in 2003.rcs1000 said:
In 2003, house price to earnings for the UK were just under 5, as I read the chart. And on the eve of the Brexit referendum in 2015, they were... just over 5.Philip_Thompson said:
You're right I muddled up different ratios - but still the reality was bad enough.rcs1000 said:
I'm not sure your memory of UK house prices to earnings ratios is entirely accurate:Philip_Thompson said:
Fairly balanced and indeed but the problem is that the EU countries aren't quickly coming up to our level of prosperity.kjh said:
Now here is a dilemma as I agree with both @HYUFD and @Philip_Thompson (I know I'm a LD and so you should expect nothing different that I support both sides of the argument).HYUFD said:
So people are free to come here without limit if we concrete all over the green belt and most of the English countryside to build all the extra homes for them. A deeply unpopular proposal (and most people don't live within easy reach of AONB and National Parks, especially in London and the Home Counties)Philip_Thompson said:
Why's it strange?Benpointer said:
... yes a strange ommission to his liberatarian ideals.HYUFD said:
Philip Thompson is a libertarian free trader who I believe wants global free trade with no tariffs and customs barriers anywhere and no state subsidies for farming or industry.nico679 said:
The fisheries have been screwed because of Bozos deal . The NTBs in that deal is what has caused all the issues . You seem happy to see many sectors go to the wall which is rather unpatriotic given I thought voting Brexit was a badge of patriotism and all Remainers like myself were allegedly not patriotic enough !Philip_Thompson said:
I will say the same for fisheries as I say for farming, driver's salaries or anything else ... Let the market sort it out.nico679 said:
British producers thank you for your support ! Next you’ll be spinning the devastating losses incurred by British fisheries into a positive .Philip_Thompson said:
Or just buy imported meat.HYUFD said:
There seems to be a shortage of abbatoir workers all round at present, some may well face a nut roast Christmas even if they are meat eatersFysics_Teacher said:
Presumably this is just for shop bought versions; I assume a shortage of sausages or bacon would have been reported more widely.HYUFD said:BREAKING: The UK is facing a Christmas this year without pigs in blankets due to a shortage of staff
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1443881748270551044?s=20
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58749841
Not the end of the world either way. Meat is meat.
If our fishermen have a competitive advantage then great, exercise it, if not then c'est la vie.
Though I don't think he has gone so far as to support free movement globally and accepts Boris' points system for migrants
I've said I don't care if people are free to come here so long as we eliminate the green belt and people are free to build too. Since we don't have free construction, we can't justify free movement either. The two need to go hand-in-hand.
I back free construction though. I back the elimination of the green belt and the elimination of planning permission (though I'd keep restrictions exclusively for AONBs etc).
I believe in free movement of goods and labour in theory. However with different countries at different levels of prosperity that is not possible with labour as there would be mass migration. There is not the infrastructure to support that and I don't want the greenbelt destroyed. Once we do it's gone forever.
I did like what we had in the EU. Introducing countries under but close to our level of prosperity, causing immigration and bringing those countries up to our level fairly quickly after which the movement would balance out nicely.
Maybe it was balancing out until the 90s, but our population has grown by over 10 million within a generation and that wasn't slowing down. Now as I've said repeatedly I don't care if we have population growth so long as we have the construction to match it, but we never did which is why house price to earnings ratio when from 3.5x in 2003 before Eastern accession to ~6-7x just a few years later.
Do you think its fair to link the concepts of free movement with free construction? If we aren't going to have one, how can we justify the other?
Look at that steep climb following EU expansion. Which predated interest rate cuts a few years later.
And if you look at the monthly data that verifies it too.0 -
He's backing the wrong horse here, thats for sure.Cyclefree said:
Khan is a waste of space.Scott_xP said:London Mayor Sadiq Khan says he's "confident" Cressida Dick is the "right person to bring about the transformation needed" in the Met Police
https://bbc.in/3kZ6mAD https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1443929971161018370/video/10 -
OK Phili calm yourself.Philip_Thompson said:
Shortening Thomas to Thom is as absurd as shortening Anthony to Thony.tlg86 said:
Did she encourage him to spell it that way? His real name is Thomas.rcs1000 said:
That's a pretty harsh thing to say about his mum.tlg86 said:
Only a complete **** would spell Tom with an h.rcs1000 said:
I should have included How to Disappear Completely (from Kid A), which Thom Yorke regards as the best song Radiohead ever made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6HhdqA95wrcs1000 said:
Well, I would do it in reverse: which Radiohead albums are not good?TOPPING said:
Morning. Could you please let me know what the best Radiohead album is.rcs1000 said:25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.
TIA
Asking FAF.
Obvs.
And there's really only one "bad" Radiohead album - Pablo Honey. And that's not actually bad, just immature.
You then have two "middling" Radiohead albums - The Bends and Hail to the Thief. Both have their moments, but both do not reach the heights of some other albums.
Then there are the "great, but not the greatest" albums - The King of Limbs, Amnesiac, A Moon Shaped Pool. Some really cracking songs on those albums: Present Tense, Lotus Flower, and I Might Be Wrong being particularly great examples.
And then you have the Holy Trio: OK Computer, Kid A and In Rainbows. I am particularly fond of the last of these, but you can make a case for any of them to be Radiohead's GOAT.
My faves from those: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbWBRnDK_AE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXl0F9oF92E, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYWYWPc9HU, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfQD1QiQ9o40 -
Kavanaugh has Covid.
He's doubled vaxxed and symptomless so probably no USA Supreme Court hilarity incoming0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajsNJtnUb7cRochdalePioneers said:
He's backing the wrong horse here, thats for sure.Cyclefree said:
Khan is a waste of space.Scott_xP said:London Mayor Sadiq Khan says he's "confident" Cressida Dick is the "right person to bring about the transformation needed" in the Met Police
https://bbc.in/3kZ6mAD https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1443929971161018370/video/11 -
Everyone adult who wants to be vaccinated is double-vaccinated by now.RochdalePioneers said:
Only two thirds of us are vaccinated.Philip_Thompson said:
Why should we care what they do or do not allow? But yes, stopping testing is what almost every other nation has done relative to what we're doing.RochdalePioneers said:
Best to stop testing people. If we stop testing then there is zero covid and we can all get on with our lives!Malmesbury said:
The issue is testing rates.williamglenn said:
Would you rather go into the winter with those infections in front of us or behind us?RochdalePioneers said:
Best in the world.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html
The UK is still doing a very high rate of tests per head of population, compared with most other countries.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-cumulative-total-tests-per-thousand-map?tab=table
As Donald Trump observed, the more you test, the more you find.
What do these other countries mean they won't let us in???
Mass testing for a virus we're vaccinated against is beyond ridiculous now. Complete waste of money, its time to stop it and get on with our lives.
Question - will we be able to "get on with our lives" as a pariah nation where we need to quarantine before being allowed into other nations? Our "high risk" / "extremely high risk" status will become a ball-ache pretty quickly if most of the rest of the world has squashed Covid and we haven't.
Yes we can get on with our lives. "Squashing" Covid is a pipe-dream unless you really mean "stop testing for Covid and declare it squashed".4 -
He will probably have passed it on to one of elderly centre left judges knowing their luck.Alistair said:Kavanaugh has Covid.
He's doubled vaxxed and symptomless so probably no USA Supreme Court hilarity incoming0 -
No surprise here. If he continues as he did yesterday and Johnson remains leader of the Tories I'd be surprised if Sir Keir isn't our next PM......
He may not be outwardly exciting but I saw something yesterday that I hadn't seen before. He has a personality that is engaging and he isn't smug. A nice contrast to Corbyn. He also seemed to me to be honest which is something no one could accuse Johnson of being. The downside is that he's a little bit Tory but nobody's perfect?
Johnson by contrast is becoming more untrustworthy as each day passes. Brexit is disintegrating. People are experiencing for themselves the damage it's causing and it's getting worse. (I myself got a letter yesterday cancelling something '....because of Brexit').
.......and as luck would have it all the architects are there together and in plain sight. They haven't even got the fig leaf of Dominic Cummings.
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There are two explanations - either he genuinely thinks she is the right person to transform it, or he thinks politically he has to say she is.Cyclefree said:
Khan is a waste of space.Scott_xP said:London Mayor Sadiq Khan says he's "confident" Cressida Dick is the "right person to bring about the transformation needed" in the Met Police
https://bbc.in/3kZ6mAD https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1443929971161018370/video/1
Either way, worrying.0 -
I think it may date back to the start of the pandemic.Malmesbury said:
The thing that puzzles me is how nearly no other country seems to be doing the ONS style population survey tests.TheScreamingEagles said:
Ours is being measured by the gold standard that is the ONS.noneoftheabove said:
Does it matter? How accurately is it being measured?DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html
Always amuses my foreign friends and colleagues the head of UK Statistics Authority can publicly chastise the PM downwards for misusing official stats.
It doesn't take a vast amount of tests, or a vast amount of money to do such a survey. And, using established, standard techniques to ensure the samples are balanced, it can give you an accurate (scientifically speaking) estimate of the actual infection levels.
Anyone know why?
The UK started by following the pre planed pandemic response, which included isolating the old/venerable until the young/heathy had reached 'heard immunity'. As part of that random testing of the overall public to determine how widespread the virus was and long till heard immunity was priority, where as testing every signal possible cases was not. so the ONS started to do the servery.
In most other places, priority was placed on attempting to find every signal possible cases.
I don't know if its irony but because the government did not have enough testing in March/April/may and was criticised a lot for it, they have since throne recourses at testing, for all the good it has done us.
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The latest antibody survey shows that we've comfortably above 90% in the UK. You are coming across as detached from reality.RochdalePioneers said:
Only two thirds of us are vaccinated.Philip_Thompson said:
Why should we care what they do or do not allow? But yes, stopping testing is what almost every other nation has done relative to what we're doing.RochdalePioneers said:
Best to stop testing people. If we stop testing then there is zero covid and we can all get on with our lives!Malmesbury said:
The issue is testing rates.williamglenn said:
Would you rather go into the winter with those infections in front of us or behind us?RochdalePioneers said:
Best in the world.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html
The UK is still doing a very high rate of tests per head of population, compared with most other countries.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-cumulative-total-tests-per-thousand-map?tab=table
As Donald Trump observed, the more you test, the more you find.
What do these other countries mean they won't let us in???
Mass testing for a virus we're vaccinated against is beyond ridiculous now. Complete waste of money, its time to stop it and get on with our lives.
Question - will we be able to "get on with our lives" as a pariah nation where we need to quarantine before being allowed into other nations? Our "high risk" / "extremely high risk" status will become a ball-ache pretty quickly if most of the rest of the world has squashed Covid and we haven't.
93.6% in England
91.2% in Wales
91.9% in Northern Ireland
93.3% in Scotland
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/antibodies3 -
I started writing a thread about SCOTUS and hoping to do something about Clarence Thomas and Long Dong Silver.Alistair said:Kavanaugh has Covid.
He's doubled vaxxed and symptomless so probably no USA Supreme Court hilarity incoming
Might have to wait a few weeks until this all blows over.0 -
I hope they are all fine, but itd be interesting to see how the Republicans in the senate would invent some rule about why Biden shouldn't get to appoint a replacement.noneoftheabove said:
He will probably have passed it on to one of elderly centre left judges knowing their luck.Alistair said:Kavanaugh has Covid.
He's doubled vaxxed and symptomless so probably no USA Supreme Court hilarity incoming1 -
Mr. Eagles, ah, hope you stay safe and sound.
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To be fair, at least in London, the number of stops seems to have doubled and there is live timetabling so this policy is more reasonable than it would have been 20 years ago, when they often would stop if they could.Malmesbury said:
I was told by a bus driver (TfL), not long before COVID, that stopping a bus between stops was banned.noneoftheabove said:
Indeed, it is silly, pretty sure no-one has successfully flagged down a bus in the last decade....rottenborough said:
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We've now reached the point where the public are being advised to flag down buses to protect themselves from police officers. And the head of the Metropolitan Police remains in post. How does anyone in authority seriously think this is a sustainable position.
And that undercover bus inspectors would pull up a bus driver if he/she did it in front of them (the inspector) and pull them off the job then and there for disciplinary proceedings.
Just shows how out of touch whoever wrote it is, probably not used a bus in the last decade yet refers to them casually over something serious.
The suggestion on here of allowing the arrested to whatsapp a photo of the warrant card makes much more sense.0 -
Other nations don't seem to be judging things on the cases numbersRochdalePioneers said:
Only two thirds of us are vaccinated.Philip_Thompson said:
Why should we care what they do or do not allow? But yes, stopping testing is what almost every other nation has done relative to what we're doing.RochdalePioneers said:
Best to stop testing people. If we stop testing then there is zero covid and we can all get on with our lives!Malmesbury said:
The issue is testing rates.williamglenn said:
Would you rather go into the winter with those infections in front of us or behind us?RochdalePioneers said:
Best in the world.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html
The UK is still doing a very high rate of tests per head of population, compared with most other countries.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-cumulative-total-tests-per-thousand-map?tab=table
As Donald Trump observed, the more you test, the more you find.
What do these other countries mean they won't let us in???
Mass testing for a virus we're vaccinated against is beyond ridiculous now. Complete waste of money, its time to stop it and get on with our lives.
Question - will we be able to "get on with our lives" as a pariah nation where we need to quarantine before being allowed into other nations? Our "high risk" / "extremely high risk" status will become a ball-ache pretty quickly if most of the rest of the world has squashed Covid and we haven't.
This is because every statistician around the world has realised that the case numbers are, in large measure, not comparable international since the testing levels vary so widely.
Hospitalisations and deaths are used to judge the state of affairs between developed nations.
Which is why the Trumpian scumbags were trying to fiddle with those. Yes, Florida, I am looking at you. As a start....1 -
You haven't answered my point about travel. You may be happy that it is done. Countries like Germany are not. We currently have a waiver for the mandatory quarantine that pox rates as high as here demand. If they pull that waiver then we won't be welcome in non-UK countries.Philip_Thompson said:
Everyone adult who wants to be vaccinated is double-vaccinated by now.RochdalePioneers said:
Only two thirds of us are vaccinated.Philip_Thompson said:
Why should we care what they do or do not allow? But yes, stopping testing is what almost every other nation has done relative to what we're doing.RochdalePioneers said:
Best to stop testing people. If we stop testing then there is zero covid and we can all get on with our lives!Malmesbury said:
The issue is testing rates.williamglenn said:
Would you rather go into the winter with those infections in front of us or behind us?RochdalePioneers said:
Best in the world.DecrepiterJohnL said:Britain’s current Covid infection rate is by far the highest in western Europe and is only exceeded by a handful of countries around the world
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-covid-infection-rate-global-comparison-johns-hopkins-who-b958154.html
The UK is still doing a very high rate of tests per head of population, compared with most other countries.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-cumulative-total-tests-per-thousand-map?tab=table
As Donald Trump observed, the more you test, the more you find.
What do these other countries mean they won't let us in???
Mass testing for a virus we're vaccinated against is beyond ridiculous now. Complete waste of money, its time to stop it and get on with our lives.
Question - will we be able to "get on with our lives" as a pariah nation where we need to quarantine before being allowed into other nations? Our "high risk" / "extremely high risk" status will become a ball-ache pretty quickly if most of the rest of the world has squashed Covid and we haven't.
Yes we can get on with our lives. "Squashing" Covid is a pipe-dream unless you really mean "stop testing for Covid and declare it squashed".
Wanting Covid to be over and saying so domestically is one thing. Covid really being over and other countries being willing to accept our pretence is another. We could be working harder to get more people vaccinated but won't. Others will.0 -
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He prefers 'Lip I think.TOPPING said:
OK Phili calm yourself.Philip_Thompson said:
Shortening Thomas to Thom is as absurd as shortening Anthony to Thony.tlg86 said:
Did she encourage him to spell it that way? His real name is Thomas.rcs1000 said:
That's a pretty harsh thing to say about his mum.tlg86 said:
Only a complete **** would spell Tom with an h.rcs1000 said:
I should have included How to Disappear Completely (from Kid A), which Thom Yorke regards as the best song Radiohead ever made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6HhdqA95wrcs1000 said:
Well, I would do it in reverse: which Radiohead albums are not good?TOPPING said:
Morning. Could you please let me know what the best Radiohead album is.rcs1000 said:25% chance? You're having a laugh.
You need Boris to lead the Conservatives into the next election.
Starmer to lead Labour.
The Conservatives to not just lose their majority, but to lose it badly enough that Starmer can (and does) form the next government.
Impossible?
Far from it.
But not a 25% chance either.
TIA
Asking FAF.
Obvs.
And there's really only one "bad" Radiohead album - Pablo Honey. And that's not actually bad, just immature.
You then have two "middling" Radiohead albums - The Bends and Hail to the Thief. Both have their moments, but both do not reach the heights of some other albums.
Then there are the "great, but not the greatest" albums - The King of Limbs, Amnesiac, A Moon Shaped Pool. Some really cracking songs on those albums: Present Tense, Lotus Flower, and I Might Be Wrong being particularly great examples.
And then you have the Holy Trio: OK Computer, Kid A and In Rainbows. I am particularly fond of the last of these, but you can make a case for any of them to be Radiohead's GOAT.
My faves from those: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbWBRnDK_AE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXl0F9oF92E, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYWYWPc9HU, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfQD1QiQ9o40
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