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  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 16,496

    call it the U.B. Chip if you want to sound local

    Call it The Chip if you want to sound authentically local...

    it is very good though
  • Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    I took part in this survey and we were shown clips from the speech.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,972

    GB number plates no longer valid.

    If you are driving abroad then your GB plates have to be replaced by UK plates.

    At first encounter, I imagined this was the EU playing silly buggers over Brexit but it turns out the government has told the UN we want to be called UK not GB. I had noticed and wondered why so many ministers kept saying UK instead of British recently, and apparently it is part of some grand scheme to do something or other.

    A Department for Transport spokesperson said: "Changing the national identifier from GB to UK symbolises our unity as a nation and is part of a wider move towards using the UK signifier across government.

    "We notified the UN of our intention to make these changes in July, and have been working with the sector to implement the change."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58734265

    Of course, we'll have to change back when NI buggers off.

    And if Scotland goes too, we'll be left with the rather unappealling EW...........
    Nah, we'll be FUK.

    Former United Kingdom.

    There's precedent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute
    Will there be a statutory body to regulate that name change?

    Then it could be titled FUKOF.
  • Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?

    Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.

    You could take Sarah Vine's recommendation of the Ubiquitous Fish? More seriously the Ubiquitous Chip has been providing decent scran in the west end since the 70s and is only a 10 minute cab ride from the centre (call it the U.B. Chip if you want to sound local). The same family also have Stravaigin which is a bit more youth orientated and adventurous, and a bit closer to the centre.

    Edit: checked Stravaigin online and it seems they occasionally have grey squirrel on the menu..
    Thanks, will check that out.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,205
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    GB number plates no longer valid.

    If you are driving abroad then your GB plates have to be replaced by UK plates.

    At first encounter, I imagined this was the EU playing silly buggers over Brexit but it turns out the government has told the UN we want to be called UK not GB. I had noticed and wondered why so many ministers kept saying UK instead of British recently, and apparently it is part of some grand scheme to do something or other.

    A Department for Transport spokesperson said: "Changing the national identifier from GB to UK symbolises our unity as a nation and is part of a wider move towards using the UK signifier across government.

    "We notified the UN of our intention to make these changes in July, and have been working with the sector to implement the change."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58734265

    Of course, we'll have to change back when NI buggers off.

    And if Scotland goes too, we'll be left with the rather unappealling EW...........
    Nah, we'll be FUK.

    Former United Kingdom.

    There's precedent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute
    Surely we are the UK, until Scotland buggers off? Neither Wales nor NI are kingdoms.
    It gets very messy.

    The Union of the Kingdoms predates the Union of the countries.

    IIRC the Nats said they would keep the monarchy in the event of independence.
    Though we would both be kingdoms under the same crown, surely that couldn't be a United Kingdom?

    Just as we wouldn't be a United Kingdom with Canada or Fiji?
    Confusingly, James VI and I called himself ‘King of Great Britain, France and Ireland’ even though ‘Great Britain’ was legally two separate countries (if you don’t believe me check the blurb of the King James Bible).
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 6,638
    Foxy said:

    GB number plates no longer valid.

    If you are driving abroad then your GB plates have to be replaced by UK plates.

    At first encounter, I imagined this was the EU playing silly buggers over Brexit but it turns out the government has told the UN we want to be called UK not GB. I had noticed and wondered why so many ministers kept saying UK instead of British recently, and apparently it is part of some grand scheme to do something or other.

    A Department for Transport spokesperson said: "Changing the national identifier from GB to UK symbolises our unity as a nation and is part of a wider move towards using the UK signifier across government.

    "We notified the UN of our intention to make these changes in July, and have been working with the sector to implement the change."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58734265

    Of course, we'll have to change back when NI buggers off.

    And if Scotland goes too, we'll be left with the rather unappealling EW...........
    Nah, we'll be FUK.

    Former United Kingdom.

    There's precedent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute
    Surely we are the UK, until Scotland buggers off? Neither Wales nor NI are kingdoms.
    We can call ourselves whatever we like. The United Kingdom (capital U, capital K) only came into existence at the Union with Ireland - immediately prior to that we were in the Kingdom of Great Britain. But the name survived the loss of most of Ireland nevertheless.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,264
    Why would anyone who already knows how they're going to vote bother to watch any conference speech?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 68,477
    edited September 29
    They say crime doesn't pay, but I make out this woman took a profit of £317,000 from her crime if she has to pay back £120k on theft of £437k

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/fraudster-who-splashed-437-000-she-stole-ordered-to-pay-back-120-000/ar-AAOXOYV?ocid=msedgntp
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 6,638
    Someone described me as looking like “Gove, with nicer hair” on Monday. Is there any point in continuing?
  • Farooq said:

    Why would anyone who already knows how they're going to vote bother to watch any conference speech?

    Maybe because they're a politics geek?

    Same reason I'll watch Manchester United v Manchester City or Tottenham v Arsenal despite not being a fan of either, because I enjoy football.
  • Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    I took part in this survey and we were shown clips from the speech.
    Won't that depend upon who curated the clips then?
  • Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?

    Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.

    This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.

    https://www.brianmaule.com/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,205
    Pulpstar said:

    They say crime doesn't pay, but I make out this woman took a profit of £317,000 from her crime if she has to pay back £120k on theft of £437k

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/fraudster-who-splashed-437-000-she-stole-ordered-to-pay-back-120-000/ar-AAOXOYV?ocid=msedgntp

    Well, AIUI rather she has spent the £317,000 so there is no way of reclaiming it. She has been ordered to hand over all the money she has.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,264

    Farooq said:

    Why would anyone who already knows how they're going to vote bother to watch any conference speech?

    Maybe because they're a politics geek?

    Same reason I'll watch Manchester United v Manchester City or Tottenham v Arsenal despite not being a fan of either, because I enjoy football.
    And has VAR ruled out any of Starmer's speech out as a "clear and obvious error"?
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,264
    DougSeal said:

    Someone described me as looking like “Gove, with nicer hair” on Monday. Is there any point in continuing?

    Mods, if anyone posts that Female Gove photo, get them banned.
  • Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:

    ITV leading with Sarah Everard. Presumably SKS would actually approve of that (and I mean that sincerely).

    The mother's statement is heart-breaking. Hard to read. A reminder - if we needed it - that more than one life is destroyed when a murder is committed.

    I find it hard to believe that this man went from indecent exposure to calculated rapist and killer in a few days. If the police are not looking at unsolved rapes, sexual assaults and murders in the places where he lived and worked to see if he did this before, then they bloody well ought to be.

    The people who knew about his flashing, who knew his nickname was "The Rapist" ought to be asking themselves why they did not say anything, why they did not raise the alarm, why they did not "blow the whistle". And if they did, those who ignored them or did not take it seriously need to be asking themselves some hard questions too.

    The clues were there. They were ignored. And a young woman is dead because of that.
    Yes it was heartbreaking, and as a parent I can only guess the appalling pain the Mother is going through, particularly in the knowledge that Ms. Everard would have soon become aware of her fate.

    There does seem to be rather a lot of police officers who have ulterior motives for joining the force. On a day when Starmer's keynote speech was quite rightly sidelined by Couzens' pre-sentencing appearance, it might dawn on Starmer that something he should be looking at for a future Labour Government is vastly more rigerous recruitment procedures for police officers.

    And here's one to put the cat amongst the pigeons. The banning of police officers from joining secret organisations whilst in service. No secret dinners on a Tuesday night with Kenny Noye and no secret handshakes with Wally Virgo.
    If you give Scottish police officers the choice of their job or their membership of the masons, there may be an imminent shortage of Scottish police officers.


  • Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?

    Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.

    This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.

    https://www.brianmaule.com/
    Thanks.
  • Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    I took part in this survey and we were shown clips from the speech.
    Won't that depend upon who curated the clips then?
    It was via the medium of the news report as shown on TV, so we got the important soundbites as well as the hecklers and the wider context.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 30,232
    edited September 29
    DougSeal said:

    Someone described me as looking like “Gove, with nicer hair” on Monday. Is there any point in continuing?

    Some small comfort that at least you're not married to La Vine. But then it looks like neither will he be for much longer.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 16,496
    This week’s NEW EUROPEAN: “Crisis? What Crisis?” #TomorrowsPapersToday https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1443301659602571267/photo/1
  • Farooq said:

    Why would anyone who already knows how they're going to vote bother to watch any conference speech?

    Why would anyone watch any conference speech? Back in the day, it was because there was nothing else on, apart from Programmes for Schools and Colleges. The only other daytime TV was live cricket, and what fool would schedule a cricket match in England at the end of September? The 70's were hell in many ways.

    Starmer's speech looks like it will generate some positive soundbites for the minority of the electorate who watch the news. It will buy him some more time by hushing his party rivals and party enemies. It will nudge the pinball away from some paths that would be bad for him. It's done what it had to do, maybe all one speech could do. It's a positive step on a long road.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,972

    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:

    ITV leading with Sarah Everard. Presumably SKS would actually approve of that (and I mean that sincerely).

    The mother's statement is heart-breaking. Hard to read. A reminder - if we needed it - that more than one life is destroyed when a murder is committed.

    I find it hard to believe that this man went from indecent exposure to calculated rapist and killer in a few days. If the police are not looking at unsolved rapes, sexual assaults and murders in the places where he lived and worked to see if he did this before, then they bloody well ought to be.

    The people who knew about his flashing, who knew his nickname was "The Rapist" ought to be asking themselves why they did not say anything, why they did not raise the alarm, why they did not "blow the whistle". And if they did, those who ignored them or did not take it seriously need to be asking themselves some hard questions too.

    The clues were there. They were ignored. And a young woman is dead because of that.
    Yes it was heartbreaking, and as a parent I can only guess the appalling pain the Mother is going through, particularly in the knowledge that Ms. Everard would have soon become aware of her fate.

    There does seem to be rather a lot of police officers who have ulterior motives for joining the force. On a day when Starmer's keynote speech was quite rightly sidelined by Couzens' pre-sentencing appearance, it might dawn on Starmer that something he should be looking at for a future Labour Government is vastly more rigerous recruitment procedures for police officers.

    And here's one to put the cat amongst the pigeons. The banning of police officers from joining secret organisations whilst in service. No secret dinners on a Tuesday night with Kenny Noye and no secret handshakes with Wally Virgo.
    Recruitment is actually only a small part of it. Anyone can game a recruitment process.

    The organisational culture in day-to-day operation is far more important.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 12,733
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    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    I took part in this survey and we were shown clips from the speech.
    Won't that depend upon who curated the clips then?
    Won't Johnson be measured in exactly the same way next week, in order to get an accurate picture? Keynote points would be shown.
  • Pulpstar said:

    They say crime doesn't pay, but I make out this woman took a profit of £317,000 from her crime if she has to pay back £120k on theft of £437k

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/fraudster-who-splashed-437-000-she-stole-ordered-to-pay-back-120-000/ar-AAOXOYV?ocid=msedgntp

    There are other ways to recover the difference when she has sufficient assets/income in the future.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 16,496
    EXCLUSIVE: The Conservatives will host the LGB Alliance at this year's party conference.

    The charity has paid for a stall at the event, igniting a row within the party.


    https://www.itv.com/news/2021-09-29/row-over-lgb-alliance-stand-at-conservative-party-conference
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 2,420
    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE: The Conservatives will host the LGB Alliance at this year's party conference.

    The charity has paid for a stall at the event, igniting a row within the party.


    https://www.itv.com/news/2021-09-29/row-over-lgb-alliance-stand-at-conservative-party-conference

    LGB Alliance, was that the group that was criticised because it does not include Transgender?
  • GB number plates no longer valid.

    If you are driving abroad then your GB plates have to be replaced by UK plates.

    At first encounter, I imagined this was the EU playing silly buggers over Brexit but it turns out the government has told the UN we want to be called UK not GB. I had noticed and wondered why so many ministers kept saying UK instead of British recently, and apparently it is part of some grand scheme to do something or other.

    A Department for Transport spokesperson said: "Changing the national identifier from GB to UK symbolises our unity as a nation and is part of a wider move towards using the UK signifier across government.

    "We notified the UN of our intention to make these changes in July, and have been working with the sector to implement the change."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58734265

    Sounds like a wonderful way of reaffirming Tory commitment to the Union in symbolism, while continuing long-standing party tradition of trashing it in substance.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 732
    edited September 29



    Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?

    Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.

    This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.

    https://www.brianmaule.com/
    Thanks.
    Italian cafes are a feature in Scotland. This is the best. A couple of miles from the city centre, but we are happy to travel from Ayrshire to Coia’s, even though we are only three miles from the most famous Scottish Italian cafe. You may want to book, especially at weekends.

    https://coiascafe.co.uk/
    https://www.nardinis.co.uk/
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 6,638

    GB number plates no longer valid.

    If you are driving abroad then your GB plates have to be replaced by UK plates.

    At first encounter, I imagined this was the EU playing silly buggers over Brexit but it turns out the government has told the UN we want to be called UK not GB. I had noticed and wondered why so many ministers kept saying UK instead of British recently, and apparently it is part of some grand scheme to do something or other.

    A Department for Transport spokesperson said: "Changing the national identifier from GB to UK symbolises our unity as a nation and is part of a wider move towards using the UK signifier across government.

    "We notified the UN of our intention to make these changes in July, and have been working with the sector to implement the change."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58734265

    Sounds like a wonderful way of reaffirming Tory commitment to the Union in symbolism, while continuing long-standing party tradition of trashing it in substance.
    Meh. No country lasts forever. The UK’s been disintegrating for 100 years. It’s done well to last this long.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 17,435

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).

    Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.



  • Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?

    Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.

    This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.

    https://www.brianmaule.com/
    Thanks.
    Italian cafes are a feature in Scotland. This is the best. A couple of miles from the city centre, but we are happy to travel from Ayrshire to Coia’s, even though we are only three miles from the most famous Scottish Italian cafe. You may want to book, especially at weekends.

    https://coiascafe.co.uk/
    https://www.nardinis.co.uk/
    I have a trip to Glasgow in November, am seeing Blondie, get there on the Thursday and leave Monday.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 16,496

    Sounds like a wonderful way of reaffirming Tory commitment to the Union in symbolism, while continuing long-standing party tradition of trashing it in substance.

    The most vocal opponents appear to be gammons who drive 'classic' cars with permanent GB plates
  • Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    I took part in this survey and we were shown clips from the speech.
    Won't that depend upon who curated the clips then?
    It was via the medium of the news report as shown on TV, so we got the important soundbites as well as the hecklers and the wider context.
    That makes sense thanks. I thought you meant the pollster had curated the clips sorry.
    Scott_xP said:

    This week’s NEW EUROPEAN: “Crisis? What Crisis?” #TomorrowsPapersToday https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1443301659602571267/photo/1

    The New European finally gets something right. There's no crisis just a media furore.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Sounds like a wonderful way of reaffirming Tory commitment to the Union in symbolism, while continuing long-standing party tradition of trashing it in substance.

    The most vocal opponents appear to be gammons who drive 'classic' cars with permanent GB plates
    How much is a sticker going to cost from Halfords?

    Seems an utterly pointless change, but its not exactly going to be the end of the world to slap a sticker on the back of the car.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,719
    Man Utd are terrible.
  • Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).

    Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.

    Worth remembering that, for all his real talents, BoJo is a surprisingly poor live public speaker. He's not done the mythical 10 000 hours of slogging away trying to convince a hostile (and sober) audience.

    Overall, it works for him, but it's noticeable.


  • Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?

    Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.

    This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.

    https://www.brianmaule.com/
    Thanks.
    Italian cafes are a feature in Scotland. This is the best. A couple of miles from the city centre, but we are happy to travel from Ayrshire to Coia’s, even though we are only three miles from the most famous Scottish Italian cafe. You may want to book, especially at weekends.

    https://coiascafe.co.uk/
    https://www.nardinis.co.uk/
    I have a trip to Glasgow in November, am seeing Blondie, get there on the Thursday and leave Monday.
    Enjoy. We saw Blondie at the Hydro the last time they were in Glasgow. Aged well.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 9,767

    Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?

    Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.

    You could take Sarah Vine's recommendation of the Ubiquitous Fish? More seriously the Ubiquitous Chip has been providing decent scran in the west end since the 70s and is only a 10 minute cab ride from the centre (call it the U.B. Chip if you want to sound local). The same family also have Stravaigin which is a bit more youth orientated and adventurous, and a bit closer to the centre.

    Edit: checked Stravaigin online and it seems they occasionally have grey squirrel on the menu..
    Thanks, will check that out.
    Obsession of India if you like Indian.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 16,496

    Italian cafes are a feature in Scotland. This is the best. A couple of miles from the city centre, but we are happy to travel from Ayrshire to Coia’s, even though we are only three miles from the most famous Scottish Italian cafe. You may want to book, especially at weekends.

    https://coiascafe.co.uk/
    https://www.nardinis.co.uk/

    I still mourn Brattisani's
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 16,496
    IshmaelZ said:

    Obsession of India if you like Indian.

    What about Mother India?
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?

    Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.

    You could take Sarah Vine's recommendation of the Ubiquitous Fish? More seriously the Ubiquitous Chip has been providing decent scran in the west end since the 70s and is only a 10 minute cab ride from the centre (call it the U.B. Chip if you want to sound local). The same family also have Stravaigin which is a bit more youth orientated and adventurous, and a bit closer to the centre.

    Edit: checked Stravaigin online and it seems they occasionally have grey squirrel on the menu..
    Thanks, will check that out.
    Obsession of India if you like Indian.
    Asian restaurants are a bit of a busman's holiday for me.


  • Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?

    Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.

    This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.

    https://www.brianmaule.com/
    Thanks.
    Italian cafes are a feature in Scotland. This is the best. A couple of miles from the city centre, but we are happy to travel from Ayrshire to Coia’s, even though we are only three miles from the most famous Scottish Italian cafe. You may want to book, especially at weekends.

    https://coiascafe.co.uk/
    https://www.nardinis.co.uk/
    I have a trip to Glasgow in November, am seeing Blondie, get there on the Thursday and leave Monday.
    Enjoy. We saw Blondie at the Hydro the last time they were in Glasgow. Aged well.
    Yup, the warm up is Garbage, I'm going to enjoy this gig.
  • tlg86 said:

    Man Utd are terrible.

    But Ole's at the wheel.
  • The thing about Man Utd is, they always try and walk it in
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,585
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    GB number plates no longer valid.

    If you are driving abroad then your GB plates have to be replaced by UK plates.

    At first encounter, I imagined this was the EU playing silly buggers over Brexit but it turns out the government has told the UN we want to be called UK not GB. I had noticed and wondered why so many ministers kept saying UK instead of British recently, and apparently it is part of some grand scheme to do something or other.

    A Department for Transport spokesperson said: "Changing the national identifier from GB to UK symbolises our unity as a nation and is part of a wider move towards using the UK signifier across government.

    "We notified the UN of our intention to make these changes in July, and have been working with the sector to implement the change."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58734265

    Of course, we'll have to change back when NI buggers off.

    And if Scotland goes too, we'll be left with the rather unappealling EW...........
    Nah, we'll be FUK.

    Former United Kingdom.

    There's precedent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute
    Surely we are the UK, until Scotland buggers off? Neither Wales nor NI are kingdoms.
    It gets very messy.

    The Union of the Kingdoms predates the Union of the countries.

    IIRC the Nats said they would keep the monarchy in the event of independence.
    Though we would both be kingdoms under the same crown, surely that couldn't be a United Kingdom?

    Just as we wouldn't be a United Kingdom with Canada or Fiji?
    Fiji’s been a republic since the 1987 coup.

    As for Aus, Canada, NZ etc, prior to the Statute of Westminster in 1931 they were technically still “colonies” of the UK (the Colonial Laws Validity Act still applied). The Statute specifically stated that the “dominions” as then called, “Queen’s realms” today, were under separate Crowns from that of the UK. So in historic terms, CANZUK+ are all in personal unions under a common monarch, which is constitutionally, if not practically, is the same as the situation betwixt England and Scotland between 1603 and 1707.

    NB, although the entity created by the acts of Union in 1707 was often referred to as “the United Kingdom”, 18th century usage of capitalization was very much a personal choice of the writer, and the concept of an “official name” for a country wasn’t really a thing as those usually get defined in written constitutions which didn’t really get started until the Americans wrote one (though there were earlier ones, such as for the short-lived Corsican state).

    The term “United Kingdom” for the country that today is made up of Great Britain and Northern Ireland was not officially adopted until the Act of Union of 1801.

    That said, Northern Ireland may not be itself a kingdom, but the Queen’s right over it devolves from that of the former Kingdom of Ireland, and that’s why the Irish harp still appears in the royal arms. If that basis had changed, the royal arms would show the arms of Northern Ireland, themselves based on those of the province of Ulster. Mind you, the royal arms and style claimed France until 1802 as well!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,592
    tlg86 said:

    Man Utd are terrible.

    Nearly arsenal level...
  • isamisam Posts: 38,522

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).

    Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.

    The key finding for me is that it’s yet another poll that a PB person was asked to take part in.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759

    Foxy said:

    GB number plates no longer valid.

    If you are driving abroad then your GB plates have to be replaced by UK plates.

    At first encounter, I imagined this was the EU playing silly buggers over Brexit but it turns out the government has told the UN we want to be called UK not GB. I had noticed and wondered why so many ministers kept saying UK instead of British recently, and apparently it is part of some grand scheme to do something or other.

    A Department for Transport spokesperson said: "Changing the national identifier from GB to UK symbolises our unity as a nation and is part of a wider move towards using the UK signifier across government.

    "We notified the UN of our intention to make these changes in July, and have been working with the sector to implement the change."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58734265

    Of course, we'll have to change back when NI buggers off.

    And if Scotland goes too, we'll be left with the rather unappealling EW...........
    Nah, we'll be FUK.

    Former United Kingdom.

    There's precedent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute
    Surely we are the UK, until Scotland buggers off? Neither Wales nor NI are kingdoms.
    It gets very messy.

    The Union of the Kingdoms predates the Union of the countries.

    IIRC the Nats said they would keep the monarchy in the event of independence.
    Since Prince Andrew seems to have permanently barricaded himself in Balmoral we may be lumbered with a small part of it in any case.
    Might be a useful negotiating position - keeping him there would be worth a lot.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 12,733

    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:

    ITV leading with Sarah Everard. Presumably SKS would actually approve of that (and I mean that sincerely).

    The mother's statement is heart-breaking. Hard to read. A reminder - if we needed it - that more than one life is destroyed when a murder is committed.

    I find it hard to believe that this man went from indecent exposure to calculated rapist and killer in a few days. If the police are not looking at unsolved rapes, sexual assaults and murders in the places where he lived and worked to see if he did this before, then they bloody well ought to be.

    The people who knew about his flashing, who knew his nickname was "The Rapist" ought to be asking themselves why they did not say anything, why they did not raise the alarm, why they did not "blow the whistle". And if they did, those who ignored them or did not take it seriously need to be asking themselves some hard questions too.

    The clues were there. They were ignored. And a young woman is dead because of that.
    Yes it was heartbreaking, and as a parent I can only guess the appalling pain the Mother is going through, particularly in the knowledge that Ms. Everard would have soon become aware of her fate.

    There does seem to be rather a lot of police officers who have ulterior motives for joining the force. On a day when Starmer's keynote speech was quite rightly sidelined by Couzens' pre-sentencing appearance, it might dawn on Starmer that something he should be looking at for a future Labour Government is vastly more rigerous recruitment procedures for police officers.

    And here's one to put the cat amongst the pigeons. The banning of police officers from joining secret organisations whilst in service. No secret dinners on a Tuesday night with Kenny Noye and no secret handshakes with Wally Virgo.
    If you give Scottish police officers the choice of their job or their membership of the masons, there may be an imminent shortage of Scottish police officers.
    Quite possibly not just Scotland. It seems a conflict of interest to me, so in that case so be it.

    Kenny Noye is my poster boy for why such an arrangement is a very bad idea.
  • News Flash - In Seattle, King Co Elections has confirmed that petition calling for recall of Socialist Alternative city councilmember Kshama Sawant have sufficient valid voter signatures to qualify for a special election.

    Date will not be set until the petition is officially certified, but under state law a recall election must be called 45 to 90 days after certification. King Co Elections says they a tentatively planning for a December 7, 2021 special recall election.

    Note that sponsors of the recall deliberately waited to submit signatures until AFTER the deadline for qualifying for the November 2 general election ballot.

    Recall petition access Sawant, who currently represents City Council District 3 of "using city resources to promote a “Tax Amazon” ballot initiative and letting demonstrators into City Hall during protests last June when the building was closed to the public due to COVID-19. Sawant and her supporters have described the recall effort as a conservative attempt to combat her work at City Hall for workers and renters." (Seattle Times)

    Kshama Sawant has been THE stormy petrel of Seattle politics for over a decade, first winning election to the council by defeating an incumbent in 2013.

    BTW, her Socialist Alternative party is a successor to Militant Tendency. Always bugs me when Seattle media call her a Socialist when she is REALLY a Communist of the Trotskyite (or -ist if you prefer) persuasion.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,592



    Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?

    Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.

    This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.

    https://www.brianmaule.com/
    Thanks.
    Italian cafes are a feature in Scotland. This is the best. A couple of miles from the city centre, but we are happy to travel from Ayrshire to Coia’s, even though we are only three miles from the most famous Scottish Italian cafe. You may want to book, especially at weekends.

    https://coiascafe.co.uk/
    https://www.nardinis.co.uk/
    I have a trip to Glasgow in November, am seeing Blondie, get there on the Thursday and leave Monday.
    Enjoy. We saw Blondie at the Hydro the last time they were in Glasgow. Aged well.
    Yes, I saw about 5 Yr ago.

    Debbie Harry moves well for a pensioner.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 5,650
    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).

    Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.

    The key finding for me is that it’s yet another poll that a PB person was asked to take part in.
    You sayin' they're not randoms from the internet?

  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,264
    Foxy said:



    Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?

    Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.

    This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.

    https://www.brianmaule.com/
    Thanks.
    Italian cafes are a feature in Scotland. This is the best. A couple of miles from the city centre, but we are happy to travel from Ayrshire to Coia’s, even though we are only three miles from the most famous Scottish Italian cafe. You may want to book, especially at weekends.

    https://coiascafe.co.uk/
    https://www.nardinis.co.uk/
    I have a trip to Glasgow in November, am seeing Blondie, get there on the Thursday and leave Monday.
    Enjoy. We saw Blondie at the Hydro the last time they were in Glasgow. Aged well.
    Yes, I saw about 5 Yr ago.

    Debbie Harry moves well for a pensioner.
    Even Shirley Manson is 55. Almost the same age as Boris Johnson.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 34,927

    GB number plates no longer valid.

    If you are driving abroad then your GB plates have to be replaced by UK plates.

    At first encounter, I imagined this was the EU playing silly buggers over Brexit but it turns out the government has told the UN we want to be called UK not GB. I had noticed and wondered why so many ministers kept saying UK instead of British recently, and apparently it is part of some grand scheme to do something or other.

    A Department for Transport spokesperson said: "Changing the national identifier from GB to UK symbolises our unity as a nation and is part of a wider move towards using the UK signifier across government.

    "We notified the UN of our intention to make these changes in July, and have been working with the sector to implement the change."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58734265

    Of course, we'll have to change back when NI buggers off.

    And if Scotland goes too, we'll be left with the rather unappealling EW...........
    That’s why we are changing the brand. If they do then we have the UK & they can’t take it from us 😁😂
  • Foxy said:



    Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?

    Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.

    This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.

    https://www.brianmaule.com/
    Thanks.
    Italian cafes are a feature in Scotland. This is the best. A couple of miles from the city centre, but we are happy to travel from Ayrshire to Coia’s, even though we are only three miles from the most famous Scottish Italian cafe. You may want to book, especially at weekends.

    https://coiascafe.co.uk/
    https://www.nardinis.co.uk/
    I have a trip to Glasgow in November, am seeing Blondie, get there on the Thursday and leave Monday.
    Enjoy. We saw Blondie at the Hydro the last time they were in Glasgow. Aged well.
    Yes, I saw about 5 Yr ago.

    Debbie Harry moves well for a pensioner.
    Glasgow Kissin' in the USA?


  • Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?

    Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.

    This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.

    https://www.brianmaule.com/
    Thanks.
    Italian cafes are a feature in Scotland. This is the best. A couple of miles from the city centre, but we are happy to travel from Ayrshire to Coia’s, even though we are only three miles from the most famous Scottish Italian cafe. You may want to book, especially at weekends.

    https://coiascafe.co.uk/
    https://www.nardinis.co.uk/
    Gone off Coia’s partly due to the flock of customers’ large, tinted window 4x4s parked up on double yellows on a Thurs-Saturday. Much as I’d like to, not inclined to make sarky remarks to the large, tattooed owners. Tend to go to Celino’s on the Parade now if feeling that way inclined.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,887
    edited September 29
    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).

    Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.

    The key finding for me is that it’s yet another poll that a PB person was asked to take part in.
    As the pollsters will all tell you I tick the boxes of several hard to reach demographics.

    Opinium also downweight the politically engaged.

    One of the things why Opinium get things right like GE2019 is that they downweight people who say they will vote for a party but disapprove of its leader.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,592
    geoffw said:

    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).

    Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.

    The key finding for me is that it’s yet another poll that a PB person was asked to take part in.
    You sayin' they're not randoms from the internet?

    Though that doesn't stop polling being accurate. For example @isam always quotes Internet polls on leader qualities.
  • Farooq said:

    Foxy said:



    Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?

    Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.

    This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.

    https://www.brianmaule.com/
    Thanks.
    Italian cafes are a feature in Scotland. This is the best. A couple of miles from the city centre, but we are happy to travel from Ayrshire to Coia’s, even though we are only three miles from the most famous Scottish Italian cafe. You may want to book, especially at weekends.

    https://coiascafe.co.uk/
    https://www.nardinis.co.uk/
    I have a trip to Glasgow in November, am seeing Blondie, get there on the Thursday and leave Monday.
    Enjoy. We saw Blondie at the Hydro the last time they were in Glasgow. Aged well.
    Yes, I saw about 5 Yr ago.

    Debbie Harry moves well for a pensioner.
    Even Shirley Manson is 55. Almost the same age as Boris Johnson.
    Shut up.

    Shirley Manson was my first love.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,264

    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:



    Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?

    Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.

    This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.

    https://www.brianmaule.com/
    Thanks.
    Italian cafes are a feature in Scotland. This is the best. A couple of miles from the city centre, but we are happy to travel from Ayrshire to Coia’s, even though we are only three miles from the most famous Scottish Italian cafe. You may want to book, especially at weekends.

    https://coiascafe.co.uk/
    https://www.nardinis.co.uk/
    I have a trip to Glasgow in November, am seeing Blondie, get there on the Thursday and leave Monday.
    Enjoy. We saw Blondie at the Hydro the last time they were in Glasgow. Aged well.
    Yes, I saw about 5 Yr ago.

    Debbie Harry moves well for a pensioner.
    Even Shirley Manson is 55. Almost the same age as Boris Johnson.
    Shut up.

    Shirley Manson was my first love.
    And, judging by her age, you're in with a shout of being her last.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,719
    Barcelona won't even make the Europa League.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 5,650
    Foxy said:

    geoffw said:

    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).

    Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.

    The key finding for me is that it’s yet another poll that a PB person was asked to take part in.
    You sayin' they're not randoms from the internet?

    Though that doesn't stop polling being accurate. For example @isam always quotes Internet polls on leader qualities.
    What makes you think they're accurate?

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 16,496

    Shirley Manson was my first love.

    She did some very unpleasant things
  • LeonLeon Posts: 13,055

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).

    Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.

    Worth remembering that, for all his real talents, BoJo is a surprisingly poor live public speaker. He's not done the mythical 10 000 hours of slogging away trying to convince a hostile (and sober) audience.

    Overall, it works for him, but it's noticeable.
    Yes, indeed

    When I was compiling my "conference speeches I remember" list (see below for more excitement!) it struck me that I can't remember a single line of a Boris conference speech, not even a joke, I don't think - and he tells pretty good jokes

    What I do remember is the PR and the stunts and the TV shows

    The TV Love Actually rip off advert - superb, one of the best electoral ads I've ever seen

    The interview where he speaks Ancient Greek from the Iliad for five minutes

    HIGNFYou

    Driving through a wall

    Donnez moi un break


    He's often good at the "impromptu" stuff and he can be absolutely brilliant at staged TV, but in general he's a poor speaker, especially at conferences
  • Scott_xP said:

    Shirley Manson was my first love.

    She did some very unpleasant things
    Are you talking about The Terminator Chronicles?
  • isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).

    Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.

    The key finding for me is that it’s yet another poll that a PB person was asked to take part in.
    Yes, probably the online polling panels are contaminated by political partisans, who might also have lied about their demographics in order to be accepted.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 16,496
    Leon said:

    He's often good at the "impromptu" stuff and he can be absolutely brilliant at staged TV, but in general he's a poor speaker, especially at conferences

    I remember him waving a brick.

    I don't remember why
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 16,496

    Are you talking about The Terminator Chronicles?

    Don't Google it. It will put you right off your breakfast.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 13,055
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    He's often good at the "impromptu" stuff and he can be absolutely brilliant at staged TV, but in general he's a poor speaker, especially at conferences

    I remember him waving a brick.

    I don't remember why
    Likewise

    With Boris it's a series of vivid images that stick in the mind, like a 30 year long cartoon
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,592

    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).

    Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.

    The key finding for me is that it’s yet another poll that a PB person was asked to take part in.
    Yes, probably the online polling panels are contaminated by political partisans, who might also have lied about their demographics in order to be accepted.
    So which polls do you follow?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,526
    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?

    Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.

    It looks like the Italian place on West George Street is closed. That's a shame.
    I did Roganos a while back, but that is shut for the rest of the year.
    There is this chain called Greggs which has bistro tables outside. The vegan sausage rolls are particularly admired by the food writers.
    Are you sure?

    I think that was mainly London media wazzocks looking for a line they thought humorous about not-London.
    No, the vegan s.r. were welcomed.

    Is it possibly the deep fried Mars bars you have in mind? (not Greggs) - but they are Scots cuisine for the tourists [edited], not the locals.
    I know, but I still think it was I think that was mainly London media wazzocks looking for a line they thought humorous about not-London. Greggs being amusing in the same way the Midlands would find vagina-steaming treatments in Chelsea amusing.

    I would not mention deep-fried Mars Bars. Though I did slightly enjoy the way OTT version on the Grand Tour.
    Oh, the v.s.rs sold well - much better than the Graun so it wasn't that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC1Gh8CdDYQ

    Is still think it was presented as a funny, idiosyncratic, 'look at these strange little people', amusing story.
    Oh yes, the metro-wotsits do that all the time.
  • Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).

    Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.

    Worth remembering that, for all his real talents, BoJo is a surprisingly poor live public speaker. He's not done the mythical 10 000 hours of slogging away trying to convince a hostile (and sober) audience.

    Overall, it works for him, but it's noticeable.
    Yes, indeed

    When I was compiling my "conference speeches I remember" list (see below for more excitement!) it struck me that I can't remember a single line of a Boris conference speech, not even a joke, I don't think - and he tells pretty good jokes

    What I do remember is the PR and the stunts and the TV shows

    The TV Love Actually rip off advert - superb, one of the best electoral ads I've ever seen

    The interview where he speaks Ancient Greek from the Iliad for five minutes

    HIGNFYou

    Driving through a wall

    Donnez moi un break


    He's often good at the "impromptu" stuff and he can be absolutely brilliant at staged TV, but in general he's a poor speaker, especially at conferences
    The bit I remember from last year (I think?) was when he made fun of people who used to say wind farms were so bad they "couldn't pull the skin of a rice pudding".

    And of course who said that . . . it could only be one person he was quoting! And then of course every FBPE 🤡 felt they had to share Boris's remarks as a result.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 16,496
    Britain ordered soldiers to start driving fuel tankers to replenish empty pumps, as motorists remained stuck in queues after nearly a week of shortages. That's despite politicians' assurances things were improving
    https://reut.rs/3oxyXiH https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1443313381352644608/video/1
  • Scott_xP said:

    Are you talking about The Terminator Chronicles?

    Don't Google it. It will put you right off your breakfast.
    She didn't vote SNP did she?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 7,197
    edited September 29
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).

    Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.

    Worth remembering that, for all his real talents, BoJo is a surprisingly poor live public speaker. He's not done the mythical 10 000 hours of slogging away trying to convince a hostile (and sober) audience.

    Overall, it works for him, but it's noticeable.
    Yes, indeed

    When I was compiling my "conference speeches I remember" list (see below for more excitement!) it struck me that I can't remember a single line of a Boris conference speech, not even a joke, I don't think - and he tells pretty good jokes

    What I do remember is the PR and the stunts and the TV shows

    The TV Love Actually rip off advert - superb, one of the best electoral ads I've ever seen

    The interview where he speaks Ancient Greek from the Iliad for five minutes

    HIGNFYou

    Driving through a wall

    Donnez moi un break


    He's often good at the "impromptu" stuff and he can be absolutely brilliant at staged TV, but in general he's a poor speaker, especially at conferences
    I remember Boris tripping up as he walked to the mike stand when he won the London mayoralty and saying, 'Ah... Ken's final booby trap!' (or something alike that). I thought it was quite a good ad-lib at the time, but it was probably all completely planned.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,699
    Scott_xP said:

    Britain ordered soldiers to start driving fuel tankers to replenish empty pumps, as motorists remained stuck in queues after nearly a week of shortages. That's despite politicians' assurances things were improving
    https://reut.rs/3oxyXiH https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1443313381352644608/video/1

    Perhaps, just perhaps, the two things might be connected.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 13,055
    Anecdata


    A floating voter friend of mine - soft Remain, but hates Remoaners - has texted me

    "Watched a bit of Keir. I like him. He's honest. I'm bored of Boris. I will vote for Keir next time"

    He's in a quasi-marginal and voted Tory in 2019.....
  • tlg86 said:

    Barcelona won't even make the Europa League.

    Barcelona are more fecked than a stepmom on you know where.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/sep/29/real-madrid-can-spend-eight-times-as-much-as-barcelona
  • Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).

    Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.

    The key finding for me is that it’s yet another poll that a PB person was asked to take part in.
    Yes, probably the online polling panels are contaminated by political partisans, who might also have lied about their demographics in order to be accepted.
    So which polls do you follow?
    I am suspicious of all polls. Online panels are gamed by parties and partisans. Phone polls are badly randomised (see rants passim). Aggressive weighting is used to (attempt to) mask sampling errors. I've some regard for unweighted results, and am intrigued by occasional mass-sampling polls.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Britain ordered soldiers to start driving fuel tankers to replenish empty pumps, as motorists remained stuck in queues after nearly a week of shortages. That's despite politicians' assurances things were improving
    https://reut.rs/3oxyXiH https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1443313381352644608/video/1

    "Despite reassurances things were improving"? Things are improving. Most stations are already back to normal which is precisely why there was never any reason to panic buy.
  • Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).

    Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.

    The key finding for me is that it’s yet another poll that a PB person was asked to take part in.
    Yes, probably the online polling panels are contaminated by political partisans, who might also have lied about their demographics in order to be accepted.
    So which polls do you follow?
    I am suspicious of all polls. Online panels are gamed by parties and partisans. Phone polls are badly randomised (see rants passim). Aggressive weighting is used to (attempt to) mask sampling errors. I've some regard for unweighted results, and am intrigued by occasional mass-sampling polls.
    Dewey! Dewey!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 13,055

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).

    Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.

    Worth remembering that, for all his real talents, BoJo is a surprisingly poor live public speaker. He's not done the mythical 10 000 hours of slogging away trying to convince a hostile (and sober) audience.

    Overall, it works for him, but it's noticeable.
    Yes, indeed

    When I was compiling my "conference speeches I remember" list (see below for more excitement!) it struck me that I can't remember a single line of a Boris conference speech, not even a joke, I don't think - and he tells pretty good jokes

    What I do remember is the PR and the stunts and the TV shows

    The TV Love Actually rip off advert - superb, one of the best electoral ads I've ever seen

    The interview where he speaks Ancient Greek from the Iliad for five minutes

    HIGNFYou

    Driving through a wall

    Donnez moi un break


    He's often good at the "impromptu" stuff and he can be absolutely brilliant at staged TV, but in general he's a poor speaker, especially at conferences
    I remembering Boris tripping up as he walked to the mike stand when he won the London mayoralty and saying, 'Ah... Ken's final booby trap!' (or something alike that). I thought it was quite a good ad-lib at the time, but it was probably all completely planned.
    Yes, again, it is little images and vignettes


    Boris throwing the basketball and somehow scoring from miles away

    Boris stuck on the zipline with the flags

    Boris doing that hand up Feel the Force thing and the cameraman falling over

    Boris in absurd shorts and shirt combo on holiday


    Cartoon images. But in an instagram age, this visual memorability may be a key asset
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,264

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).

    Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.

    Worth remembering that, for all his real talents, BoJo is a surprisingly poor live public speaker. He's not done the mythical 10 000 hours of slogging away trying to convince a hostile (and sober) audience.

    Overall, it works for him, but it's noticeable.
    Yes, indeed

    When I was compiling my "conference speeches I remember" list (see below for more excitement!) it struck me that I can't remember a single line of a Boris conference speech, not even a joke, I don't think - and he tells pretty good jokes

    What I do remember is the PR and the stunts and the TV shows

    The TV Love Actually rip off advert - superb, one of the best electoral ads I've ever seen

    The interview where he speaks Ancient Greek from the Iliad for five minutes

    HIGNFYou

    Driving through a wall

    Donnez moi un break


    He's often good at the "impromptu" stuff and he can be absolutely brilliant at staged TV, but in general he's a poor speaker, especially at conferences
    The bit I remember from last year (I think?) was when he made fun of people who used to say wind farms were so bad they "couldn't pull the skin of a rice pudding".

    And of course who said that . . . it could only be one person he was quoting! And then of course every FBPE 🤡 felt they had to share Boris's remarks as a result.
    That kind of shithousery is good at getting you noticed, but deliberately annoying people for political gain is a problem of our era. Boris isn't the only one doing it, and it's one of the reasons countries like the UK and the US are so bitterly divided.

    It's putting ambition above country, and the footballisation of politics. It's not good for any of us.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 4,553

    Scott_xP said:

    Britain ordered soldiers to start driving fuel tankers to replenish empty pumps, as motorists remained stuck in queues after nearly a week of shortages. That's despite politicians' assurances things were improving
    https://reut.rs/3oxyXiH https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1443313381352644608/video/1

    "Despite reassurances things were improving"? Things are improving. Most stations are already back to normal which is precisely why there was never any reason to panic buy.
    I heard the independents had around a quarter they had no fuel, when yesterday it was more than a third. So yes, improving.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 1,395

    GB number plates no longer valid.

    If you are driving abroad then your GB plates have to be replaced by UK plates.

    At first encounter, I imagined this was the EU playing silly buggers over Brexit but it turns out the government has told the UN we want to be called UK not GB. I had noticed and wondered why so many ministers kept saying UK instead of British recently, and apparently it is part of some grand scheme to do something or other.

    A Department for Transport spokesperson said: "Changing the national identifier from GB to UK symbolises our unity as a nation and is part of a wider move towards using the UK signifier across government.

    "We notified the UN of our intention to make these changes in July, and have been working with the sector to implement the change."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58734265

    I'm glad this government is so against gesture politics.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 12,733
    Off topic

    Hats off to United Airlines who are in the process of firing nearly 600 vaccine dodgers.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 5,650
     
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).

    Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.

    Worth remembering that, for all his real talents, BoJo is a surprisingly poor live public speaker. He's not done the mythical 10 000 hours of slogging away trying to convince a hostile (and sober) audience.

    Overall, it works for him, but it's noticeable.
    Yes, indeed

    When I was compiling my "conference speeches I remember" list (see below for more excitement!) it struck me that I can't remember a single line of a Boris conference speech, not even a joke, I don't think - and he tells pretty good jokes

    What I do remember is the PR and the stunts and the TV shows

    The TV Love Actually rip off advert - superb, one of the best electoral ads I've ever seen

    The interview where he speaks Ancient Greek from the Iliad for five minutes

    HIGNFYou

    Driving through a wall

    Donnez moi un break


    He's often good at the "impromptu" stuff and he can be absolutely brilliant at staged TV, but in general he's a poor speaker, especially at conferences
    I remembering Boris tripping up as he walked to the mike stand when he won the London mayoralty and saying, 'Ah... Ken's final booby trap!' (or something alike that). I thought it was quite a good ad-lib at the time, but it was probably all completely planned.
    Yes, again, it is little images and vignettes


    Boris throwing the basketball and somehow scoring from miles away

    Boris stuck on the zipline with the flags

    Boris doing that hand up Feel the Force thing and the cameraman falling over

    Boris in absurd shorts and shirt combo on holiday


    Cartoon images. But in an instagram age, this visual memorability may be a key asset
    So Scott is right, it's Bozo the clown.

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 20,872

    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:

    ITV leading with Sarah Everard. Presumably SKS would actually approve of that (and I mean that sincerely).

    The mother's statement is heart-breaking. Hard to read. A reminder - if we needed it - that more than one life is destroyed when a murder is committed.

    I find it hard to believe that this man went from indecent exposure to calculated rapist and killer in a few days. If the police are not looking at unsolved rapes, sexual assaults and murders in the places where he lived and worked to see if he did this before, then they bloody well ought to be.

    The people who knew about his flashing, who knew his nickname was "The Rapist" ought to be asking themselves why they did not say anything, why they did not raise the alarm, why they did not "blow the whistle". And if they did, those who ignored them or did not take it seriously need to be asking themselves some hard questions too.

    The clues were there. They were ignored. And a young woman is dead because of that.
    Yes it was heartbreaking, and as a parent I can only guess the appalling pain the Mother is going through, particularly in the knowledge that Ms. Everard would have soon become aware of her fate.

    There does seem to be rather a lot of police officers who have ulterior motives for joining the force. On a day when Starmer's keynote speech was quite rightly sidelined by Couzens' pre-sentencing appearance, it might dawn on Starmer that something he should be looking at for a future Labour Government is vastly more rigerous recruitment procedures for police officers.

    And here's one to put the cat amongst the pigeons. The banning of police officers from joining secret organisations whilst in service. No secret dinners on a Tuesday night with Kenny Noye and no secret handshakes with Wally Virgo.
    Recruitment is actually only a small part of it. Anyone can game a recruitment process.

    The organisational culture in day-to-day operation is far more important.
    Time to repost this - https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/01/17/a-toxic-culture/.

    The penultimate paragraph is particularly relevant.
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    tlg86 said:

    It's been mentioned already, but the contrast could not be more stark.

    Any pro-mask people on here want to defend them?


    Does Parliament require a vaxx passport or negative LFT for entry, including the thousands of support workers?

    The conference seemed to do so:

    https://labour.org.uk/conference/faqs/#COVID
    How does that make any difference at all?

    Are you saying that the vaccinated can't infect the unvaccinated who have tested negative?
    No, but like masks it is a significant partial mitigation. Very little is 100%.
    No, for the vaccinated its not any mitigation whatsoever that they're not going to infect others - which is what the mask is supposedly about.

    You're mitigating against the risk of the unvaccinated infecting others (since they've tested negative) but you've not remotely adjusted the risk of the vaccinated infecting others.

    So the vaccinated wearing masks normally is pure theatre isn't it?
    Not true.

    We know that the risk of a double vaxxed individual catching covid is markedly reduced, and when they do the condition is both shorter in duration and less severe. Together this is probably a reduction of infectivity of perhaps 80%, a figure comparable or better than masking.
    You're missing my point.

    Yes we know the risk of a double-vaxxed individual is markedly reduced, but the double-vaxxed individuals can be infected anyway and can infect the unvaxxed which is supposedly why according to the mask theatre individuals even vaxxed people need to wear a mask.

    So if the mask is to help others why does the people the vaxxed are mingling with the negative reduce the risk of the vaxxed infecting the negative?

    Otherwise why shouldn't the vaxxed never wear masks in the first place?
    It really is simple.

    Double vaxxed people catch it less often, thereby reducing the risk to others. They get it for shorter periods, so are less risk to others, and are have milder symptoms, so less likely to transmit (less sneezing, coughing etc).

    If you cannot understand that, then I cannot explain it to you further.
    The question isn't why double-vaxxed people are at less risk . . . I 100% agree that the vaccinated are low risk which is why as a double-vaxxed individual I don't wear a mask. However these people while being double-vaxxed do normally every Wednesday.

    So the question is why double-vaxxed people are so high risk to others they supposedly need to wear masks while in the Commons?

    But they're so low risk to others they're not required to wear masks while around the unvaccinated who aren't infected?

    🤦‍♂️
    Because the effects are compounded. Masks reduce the risk of transmission even further.
    Yes but then why are masks needed while in Parliament - but not needed around uninfected negative tested people they could infect?
    Any situation needs risk assessment on its merits. Different situations have different risk and different mitigations.
    Exactly. Let’s tell it as it is.

    There’s far more risk the camera pans and loiters on you front row of leaders conference than in HoC, so got to look your best - not look like a bogroll banditeer.

    Tell me I’m calling it wrong.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,592

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    Of the tiny minority who watched it.
    What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).

    Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.

    The key finding for me is that it’s yet another poll that a PB person was asked to take part in.
    Yes, probably the online polling panels are contaminated by political partisans, who might also have lied about their demographics in order to be accepted.
    So which polls do you follow?
    I am suspicious of all polls. Online panels are gamed by parties and partisans. Phone polls are badly randomised (see rants passim). Aggressive weighting is used to (attempt to) mask sampling errors. I've some regard for unweighted results, and am intrigued by occasional mass-sampling polls.
    Polling companies know respondents previous responses, so know shifts in opinion.

    I too am dubious about weighting as a compensator for unrandomised samples, but polls are too often correct to invalidate the methodology.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 41,562
    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BREAKING🚨

    Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!

    The verdict - Fairly positive.

    % who think he came across as:
    🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
    🔴Competent - 62%
    🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
    🔴Strong - 57%
    🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1

    That's a very cherry picked set of numbers. You need to include:

    Alive - 44%
    Fragrant - 38%
    Strange haircut - 56%
    Pregnant - 51%
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,592

    tlg86 said:

    Barcelona won't even make the Europa League.

    Barcelona are more fecked than a stepmom on you know where.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/sep/29/real-madrid-can-spend-eight-times-as-much-as-barcelona
    That would be the Real Madrid that lost last night to a Moldovan team knocked out last year by Dundalk?
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 1,502
    Off topic, and I’m not sure if anyone else feels the same, but the Sarah everard sentencing is horrifying. The accounts, the timeline.

    And Cressida Dick gets a contract extension?
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    gealbhan said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    tlg86 said:

    It's been mentioned already, but the contrast could not be more stark.

    Any pro-mask people on here want to defend them?


    Does Parliament require a vaxx passport or negative LFT for entry, including the thousands of support workers?

    The conference seemed to do so:

    https://labour.org.uk/conference/faqs/#COVID
    How does that make any difference at all?

    Are you saying that the vaccinated can't infect the unvaccinated who have tested negative?
    No, but like masks it is a significant partial mitigation. Very little is 100%.
    No, for the vaccinated its not any mitigation whatsoever that they're not going to infect others - which is what the mask is supposedly about.

    You're mitigating against the risk of the unvaccinated infecting others (since they've tested negative) but you've not remotely adjusted the risk of the vaccinated infecting others.

    So the vaccinated wearing masks normally is pure theatre isn't it?
    Not true.

    We know that the risk of a double vaxxed individual catching covid is markedly reduced, and when they do the condition is both shorter in duration and less severe. Together this is probably a reduction of infectivity of perhaps 80%, a figure comparable or better than masking.
    You're missing my point.

    Yes we know the risk of a double-vaxxed individual is markedly reduced, but the double-vaxxed individuals can be infected anyway and can infect the unvaxxed which is supposedly why according to the mask theatre individuals even vaxxed people need to wear a mask.

    So if the mask is to help others why does the people the vaxxed are mingling with the negative reduce the risk of the vaxxed infecting the negative?

    Otherwise why shouldn't the vaxxed never wear masks in the first place?
    It really is simple.

    Double vaxxed people catch it less often, thereby reducing the risk to others. They get it for shorter periods, so are less risk to others, and are have milder symptoms, so less likely to transmit (less sneezing, coughing etc).

    If you cannot understand that, then I cannot explain it to you further.
    The question isn't why double-vaxxed people are at less risk . . . I 100% agree that the vaccinated are low risk which is why as a double-vaxxed individual I don't wear a mask. However these people while being double-vaxxed do normally every Wednesday.

    So the question is why double-vaxxed people are so high risk to others they supposedly need to wear masks while in the Commons?

    But they're so low risk to others they're not required to wear masks while around the unvaccinated who aren't infected?

    🤦‍♂️
    Because the effects are compounded. Masks reduce the risk of transmission even further.
    Yes but then why are masks needed while in Parliament - but not needed around uninfected negative tested people they could infect?
    Any situation needs risk assessment on its merits. Different situations have different risk and different mitigations.
    Exactly. Let’s tell it as it is.

    There’s far more risk the camera pans and loiters on you front row of leaders conference than in HoC, so got to look your best - not look like a bogroll banditeer.

    Tell me I’m calling it wrong.
    PS I blame Trinny and Susannah for all this bare leg, what exactly was wrong with hose and stockings? And, risk of showing my age, frilly gussets.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 1,502

    This a million times.

    I have to say I find the emphasis that the Metropolitan Police are putting on Couzens being an “ex” police officer pretty sickening. He was a police officer when he murdered Sarah Everard. More than that, he used that as a key part of his crime.

    https://twitter.com/IsabelHardman/status/1443292190277570569

    I missed this - but yes..
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 5,650
    Foxy said:

    tlg86 said:

    Barcelona won't even make the Europa League.

    Barcelona are more fecked than a stepmom on you know where.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/sep/29/real-madrid-can-spend-eight-times-as-much-as-barcelona
    That would be the Real Madrid that lost last night to a Moldovan team knocked out last year by Dundalk?
    Trans-Dniepr actually.

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