Starmer’s big speech barely moves the betting markets – politicalbetting.com
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Confusingly, James VI and I called himself ‘King of Great Britain, France and Ireland’ even though ‘Great Britain’ was legally two separate countries (if you don’t believe me check the blurb of the King James Bible).Foxy said:
Though we would both be kingdoms under the same crown, surely that couldn't be a United Kingdom?TheScreamingEagles said:
It gets very messy.Foxy said:
Surely we are the UK, until Scotland buggers off? Neither Wales nor NI are kingdoms.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah, we'll be FUK.MarqueeMark said:
Of course, we'll have to change back when NI buggers off.DecrepiterJohnL said:GB number plates no longer valid.
If you are driving abroad then your GB plates have to be replaced by UK plates.
At first encounter, I imagined this was the EU playing silly buggers over Brexit but it turns out the government has told the UN we want to be called UK not GB. I had noticed and wondered why so many ministers kept saying UK instead of British recently, and apparently it is part of some grand scheme to do something or other.
A Department for Transport spokesperson said: "Changing the national identifier from GB to UK symbolises our unity as a nation and is part of a wider move towards using the UK signifier across government.
"We notified the UN of our intention to make these changes in July, and have been working with the sector to implement the change."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58734265
And if Scotland goes too, we'll be left with the rather unappealling EW...........
Former United Kingdom.
There's precedent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute
The Union of the Kingdoms predates the Union of the countries.
IIRC the Nats said they would keep the monarchy in the event of independence.
Just as we wouldn't be a United Kingdom with Canada or Fiji?0 -
We can call ourselves whatever we like. The United Kingdom (capital U, capital K) only came into existence at the Union with Ireland - immediately prior to that we were in the Kingdom of Great Britain. But the name survived the loss of most of Ireland nevertheless.Foxy said:
Surely we are the UK, until Scotland buggers off? Neither Wales nor NI are kingdoms.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah, we'll be FUK.MarqueeMark said:
Of course, we'll have to change back when NI buggers off.DecrepiterJohnL said:GB number plates no longer valid.
If you are driving abroad then your GB plates have to be replaced by UK plates.
At first encounter, I imagined this was the EU playing silly buggers over Brexit but it turns out the government has told the UN we want to be called UK not GB. I had noticed and wondered why so many ministers kept saying UK instead of British recently, and apparently it is part of some grand scheme to do something or other.
A Department for Transport spokesperson said: "Changing the national identifier from GB to UK symbolises our unity as a nation and is part of a wider move towards using the UK signifier across government.
"We notified the UN of our intention to make these changes in July, and have been working with the sector to implement the change."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58734265
And if Scotland goes too, we'll be left with the rather unappealling EW...........
Former United Kingdom.
There's precedent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute2 -
They say crime doesn't pay, but I make out this woman took a profit of £317,000 from her crime if she has to pay back £120k on theft of £437k
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/fraudster-who-splashed-437-000-she-stole-ordered-to-pay-back-120-000/ar-AAOXOYV?ocid=msedgntp1 -
Someone described me as looking like “Gove, with nicer hair” on Monday. Is there any point in continuing?1
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Maybe because they're a politics geek?Farooq said:Why would anyone who already knows how they're going to vote bother to watch any conference speech?
Same reason I'll watch Manchester United v Manchester City or Tottenham v Arsenal despite not being a fan of either, because I enjoy football.2 -
Won't that depend upon who curated the clips then?TheScreamingEagles said:
I took part in this survey and we were shown clips from the speech.Casino_Royale said:
Of the tiny minority who watched it.Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/11 -
This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.TheScreamingEagles said:Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?
Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.
https://www.brianmaule.com/1 -
Well, AIUI rather she has spent the £317,000 so there is no way of reclaiming it. She has been ordered to hand over all the money she has.Pulpstar said:They say crime doesn't pay, but I make out this woman took a profit of £317,000 from her crime if she has to pay back £120k on theft of £437k
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/fraudster-who-splashed-437-000-she-stole-ordered-to-pay-back-120-000/ar-AAOXOYV?ocid=msedgntp0 -
If you give Scottish police officers the choice of their job or their membership of the masons, there may be an imminent shortage of Scottish police officers.Mexicanpete said:
Yes it was heartbreaking, and as a parent I can only guess the appalling pain the Mother is going through, particularly in the knowledge that Ms. Everard would have soon become aware of her fate.Cyclefree said:
The mother's statement is heart-breaking. Hard to read. A reminder - if we needed it - that more than one life is destroyed when a murder is committed.tlg86 said:ITV leading with Sarah Everard. Presumably SKS would actually approve of that (and I mean that sincerely).
I find it hard to believe that this man went from indecent exposure to calculated rapist and killer in a few days. If the police are not looking at unsolved rapes, sexual assaults and murders in the places where he lived and worked to see if he did this before, then they bloody well ought to be.
The people who knew about his flashing, who knew his nickname was "The Rapist" ought to be asking themselves why they did not say anything, why they did not raise the alarm, why they did not "blow the whistle". And if they did, those who ignored them or did not take it seriously need to be asking themselves some hard questions too.
The clues were there. They were ignored. And a young woman is dead because of that.
There does seem to be rather a lot of police officers who have ulterior motives for joining the force. On a day when Starmer's keynote speech was quite rightly sidelined by Couzens' pre-sentencing appearance, it might dawn on Starmer that something he should be looking at for a future Labour Government is vastly more rigerous recruitment procedures for police officers.
And here's one to put the cat amongst the pigeons. The banning of police officers from joining secret organisations whilst in service. No secret dinners on a Tuesday night with Kenny Noye and no secret handshakes with Wally Virgo.0 -
Thanks.Fairliered said:
This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.TheScreamingEagles said:Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?
Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.
https://www.brianmaule.com/1 -
It was via the medium of the news report as shown on TV, so we got the important soundbites as well as the hecklers and the wider context.Philip_Thompson said:
Won't that depend upon who curated the clips then?TheScreamingEagles said:
I took part in this survey and we were shown clips from the speech.Casino_Royale said:
Of the tiny minority who watched it.Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/11 -
Some small comfort that at least you're not married to La Vine. But then it looks like neither will he be for much longer.DougSeal said:Someone described me as looking like “Gove, with nicer hair” on Monday. Is there any point in continuing?
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This week’s NEW EUROPEAN: “Crisis? What Crisis?” #TomorrowsPapersToday https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1443301659602571267/photo/10
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Why would anyone watch any conference speech? Back in the day, it was because there was nothing else on, apart from Programmes for Schools and Colleges. The only other daytime TV was live cricket, and what fool would schedule a cricket match in England at the end of September? The 70's were hell in many ways.Farooq said:Why would anyone who already knows how they're going to vote bother to watch any conference speech?
Starmer's speech looks like it will generate some positive soundbites for the minority of the electorate who watch the news. It will buy him some more time by hushing his party rivals and party enemies. It will nudge the pinball away from some paths that would be bad for him. It's done what it had to do, maybe all one speech could do. It's a positive step on a long road.3 -
Recruitment is actually only a small part of it. Anyone can game a recruitment process.Mexicanpete said:
Yes it was heartbreaking, and as a parent I can only guess the appalling pain the Mother is going through, particularly in the knowledge that Ms. Everard would have soon become aware of her fate.Cyclefree said:
The mother's statement is heart-breaking. Hard to read. A reminder - if we needed it - that more than one life is destroyed when a murder is committed.tlg86 said:ITV leading with Sarah Everard. Presumably SKS would actually approve of that (and I mean that sincerely).
I find it hard to believe that this man went from indecent exposure to calculated rapist and killer in a few days. If the police are not looking at unsolved rapes, sexual assaults and murders in the places where he lived and worked to see if he did this before, then they bloody well ought to be.
The people who knew about his flashing, who knew his nickname was "The Rapist" ought to be asking themselves why they did not say anything, why they did not raise the alarm, why they did not "blow the whistle". And if they did, those who ignored them or did not take it seriously need to be asking themselves some hard questions too.
The clues were there. They were ignored. And a young woman is dead because of that.
There does seem to be rather a lot of police officers who have ulterior motives for joining the force. On a day when Starmer's keynote speech was quite rightly sidelined by Couzens' pre-sentencing appearance, it might dawn on Starmer that something he should be looking at for a future Labour Government is vastly more rigerous recruitment procedures for police officers.
And here's one to put the cat amongst the pigeons. The banning of police officers from joining secret organisations whilst in service. No secret dinners on a Tuesday night with Kenny Noye and no secret handshakes with Wally Virgo.
The organisational culture in day-to-day operation is far more important.1 -
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Won't Johnson be measured in exactly the same way next week, in order to get an accurate picture? Keynote points would be shown.Philip_Thompson said:
Won't that depend upon who curated the clips then?TheScreamingEagles said:
I took part in this survey and we were shown clips from the speech.Casino_Royale said:
Of the tiny minority who watched it.Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/10 -
There are other ways to recover the difference when she has sufficient assets/income in the future.Pulpstar said:They say crime doesn't pay, but I make out this woman took a profit of £317,000 from her crime if she has to pay back £120k on theft of £437k
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/fraudster-who-splashed-437-000-she-stole-ordered-to-pay-back-120-000/ar-AAOXOYV?ocid=msedgntp0 -
EXCLUSIVE: The Conservatives will host the LGB Alliance at this year's party conference.
The charity has paid for a stall at the event, igniting a row within the party.
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-09-29/row-over-lgb-alliance-stand-at-conservative-party-conference0 -
LGB Alliance, was that the group that was criticised because it does not include Transgender?Scott_xP said:EXCLUSIVE: The Conservatives will host the LGB Alliance at this year's party conference.
The charity has paid for a stall at the event, igniting a row within the party.
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-09-29/row-over-lgb-alliance-stand-at-conservative-party-conference0 -
Sounds like a wonderful way of reaffirming Tory commitment to the Union in symbolism, while continuing long-standing party tradition of trashing it in substance.DecrepiterJohnL said:GB number plates no longer valid.
If you are driving abroad then your GB plates have to be replaced by UK plates.
At first encounter, I imagined this was the EU playing silly buggers over Brexit but it turns out the government has told the UN we want to be called UK not GB. I had noticed and wondered why so many ministers kept saying UK instead of British recently, and apparently it is part of some grand scheme to do something or other.
A Department for Transport spokesperson said: "Changing the national identifier from GB to UK symbolises our unity as a nation and is part of a wider move towards using the UK signifier across government.
"We notified the UN of our intention to make these changes in July, and have been working with the sector to implement the change."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-587342654 -
Italian cafes are a feature in Scotland. This is the best. A couple of miles from the city centre, but we are happy to travel from Ayrshire to Coia’s, even though we are only three miles from the most famous Scottish Italian cafe. You may want to book, especially at weekends.TheScreamingEagles said:
Thanks.Fairliered said:
This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.TheScreamingEagles said:Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?
Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.
https://www.brianmaule.com/
https://coiascafe.co.uk/
https://www.nardinis.co.uk/1 -
Meh. No country lasts forever. The UK’s been disintegrating for 100 years. It’s done well to last this long.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Sounds like a wonderful way of reaffirming Tory commitment to the Union in symbolism, while continuing long-standing party tradition of trashing it in substance.DecrepiterJohnL said:GB number plates no longer valid.
If you are driving abroad then your GB plates have to be replaced by UK plates.
At first encounter, I imagined this was the EU playing silly buggers over Brexit but it turns out the government has told the UN we want to be called UK not GB. I had noticed and wondered why so many ministers kept saying UK instead of British recently, and apparently it is part of some grand scheme to do something or other.
A Department for Transport spokesperson said: "Changing the national identifier from GB to UK symbolises our unity as a nation and is part of a wider move towards using the UK signifier across government.
"We notified the UN of our intention to make these changes in July, and have been working with the sector to implement the change."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-587342650 -
What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).Casino_Royale said:
Of the tiny minority who watched it.Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1
Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.
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I have a trip to Glasgow in November, am seeing Blondie, get there on the Thursday and leave Monday.Fairliered said:
Italian cafes are a feature in Scotland. This is the best. A couple of miles from the city centre, but we are happy to travel from Ayrshire to Coia’s, even though we are only three miles from the most famous Scottish Italian cafe. You may want to book, especially at weekends.TheScreamingEagles said:
Thanks.Fairliered said:
This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.TheScreamingEagles said:Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?
Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.
https://www.brianmaule.com/
https://coiascafe.co.uk/
https://www.nardinis.co.uk/1 -
The most vocal opponents appear to be gammons who drive 'classic' cars with permanent GB platesSeaShantyIrish2 said:Sounds like a wonderful way of reaffirming Tory commitment to the Union in symbolism, while continuing long-standing party tradition of trashing it in substance.
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That makes sense thanks. I thought you meant the pollster had curated the clips sorry.TheScreamingEagles said:
It was via the medium of the news report as shown on TV, so we got the important soundbites as well as the hecklers and the wider context.Philip_Thompson said:
Won't that depend upon who curated the clips then?TheScreamingEagles said:
I took part in this survey and we were shown clips from the speech.Casino_Royale said:
Of the tiny minority who watched it.Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1
The New European finally gets something right. There's no crisis just a media furore.Scott_xP said:This week’s NEW EUROPEAN: “Crisis? What Crisis?” #TomorrowsPapersToday https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1443301659602571267/photo/1
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How much is a sticker going to cost from Halfords?Scott_xP said:
The most vocal opponents appear to be gammons who drive 'classic' cars with permanent GB platesSeaShantyIrish2 said:Sounds like a wonderful way of reaffirming Tory commitment to the Union in symbolism, while continuing long-standing party tradition of trashing it in substance.
Seems an utterly pointless change, but its not exactly going to be the end of the world to slap a sticker on the back of the car.0 -
Man Utd are terrible.0
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Worth remembering that, for all his real talents, BoJo is a surprisingly poor live public speaker. He's not done the mythical 10 000 hours of slogging away trying to convince a hostile (and sober) audience.NickPalmer said:
What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).Casino_Royale said:
Of the tiny minority who watched it.Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1
Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.
Overall, it works for him, but it's noticeable.0 -
Enjoy. We saw Blondie at the Hydro the last time they were in Glasgow. Aged well.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have a trip to Glasgow in November, am seeing Blondie, get there on the Thursday and leave Monday.Fairliered said:
Italian cafes are a feature in Scotland. This is the best. A couple of miles from the city centre, but we are happy to travel from Ayrshire to Coia’s, even though we are only three miles from the most famous Scottish Italian cafe. You may want to book, especially at weekends.TheScreamingEagles said:
Thanks.Fairliered said:
This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.TheScreamingEagles said:Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?
Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.
https://www.brianmaule.com/
https://coiascafe.co.uk/
https://www.nardinis.co.uk/0 -
Obsession of India if you like Indian.TheScreamingEagles said:
Thanks, will check that out.Theuniondivvie said:
You could take Sarah Vine's recommendation of the Ubiquitous Fish? More seriously the Ubiquitous Chip has been providing decent scran in the west end since the 70s and is only a 10 minute cab ride from the centre (call it the U.B. Chip if you want to sound local). The same family also have Stravaigin which is a bit more youth orientated and adventurous, and a bit closer to the centre.TheScreamingEagles said:Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?
Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.
Edit: checked Stravaigin online and it seems they occasionally have grey squirrel on the menu..0 -
I still mourn Brattisani'sFairliered said:Italian cafes are a feature in Scotland. This is the best. A couple of miles from the city centre, but we are happy to travel from Ayrshire to Coia’s, even though we are only three miles from the most famous Scottish Italian cafe. You may want to book, especially at weekends.
https://coiascafe.co.uk/
https://www.nardinis.co.uk/0 -
Asian restaurants are a bit of a busman's holiday for me.IshmaelZ said:
Obsession of India if you like Indian.TheScreamingEagles said:
Thanks, will check that out.Theuniondivvie said:
You could take Sarah Vine's recommendation of the Ubiquitous Fish? More seriously the Ubiquitous Chip has been providing decent scran in the west end since the 70s and is only a 10 minute cab ride from the centre (call it the U.B. Chip if you want to sound local). The same family also have Stravaigin which is a bit more youth orientated and adventurous, and a bit closer to the centre.TheScreamingEagles said:Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?
Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.
Edit: checked Stravaigin online and it seems they occasionally have grey squirrel on the menu..0 -
Yup, the warm up is Garbage, I'm going to enjoy this gig.Fairliered said:
Enjoy. We saw Blondie at the Hydro the last time they were in Glasgow. Aged well.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have a trip to Glasgow in November, am seeing Blondie, get there on the Thursday and leave Monday.Fairliered said:
Italian cafes are a feature in Scotland. This is the best. A couple of miles from the city centre, but we are happy to travel from Ayrshire to Coia’s, even though we are only three miles from the most famous Scottish Italian cafe. You may want to book, especially at weekends.TheScreamingEagles said:
Thanks.Fairliered said:
This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.TheScreamingEagles said:Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?
Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.
https://www.brianmaule.com/
https://coiascafe.co.uk/
https://www.nardinis.co.uk/1 -
But Ole's at the wheel.tlg86 said:Man Utd are terrible.
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The thing about Man Utd is, they always try and walk it in0
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Fiji’s been a republic since the 1987 coup.Foxy said:
Though we would both be kingdoms under the same crown, surely that couldn't be a United Kingdom?TheScreamingEagles said:
It gets very messy.Foxy said:
Surely we are the UK, until Scotland buggers off? Neither Wales nor NI are kingdoms.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah, we'll be FUK.MarqueeMark said:
Of course, we'll have to change back when NI buggers off.DecrepiterJohnL said:GB number plates no longer valid.
If you are driving abroad then your GB plates have to be replaced by UK plates.
At first encounter, I imagined this was the EU playing silly buggers over Brexit but it turns out the government has told the UN we want to be called UK not GB. I had noticed and wondered why so many ministers kept saying UK instead of British recently, and apparently it is part of some grand scheme to do something or other.
A Department for Transport spokesperson said: "Changing the national identifier from GB to UK symbolises our unity as a nation and is part of a wider move towards using the UK signifier across government.
"We notified the UN of our intention to make these changes in July, and have been working with the sector to implement the change."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58734265
And if Scotland goes too, we'll be left with the rather unappealling EW...........
Former United Kingdom.
There's precedent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute
The Union of the Kingdoms predates the Union of the countries.
IIRC the Nats said they would keep the monarchy in the event of independence.
Just as we wouldn't be a United Kingdom with Canada or Fiji?
As for Aus, Canada, NZ etc, prior to the Statute of Westminster in 1931 they were technically still “colonies” of the UK (the Colonial Laws Validity Act still applied). The Statute specifically stated that the “dominions” as then called, “Queen’s realms” today, were under separate Crowns from that of the UK. So in historic terms, CANZUK+ are all in personal unions under a common monarch, which is constitutionally, if not practically, is the same as the situation betwixt England and Scotland between 1603 and 1707.
NB, although the entity created by the acts of Union in 1707 was often referred to as “the United Kingdom”, 18th century usage of capitalization was very much a personal choice of the writer, and the concept of an “official name” for a country wasn’t really a thing as those usually get defined in written constitutions which didn’t really get started until the Americans wrote one (though there were earlier ones, such as for the short-lived Corsican state).
The term “United Kingdom” for the country that today is made up of Great Britain and Northern Ireland was not officially adopted until the Act of Union of 1801.
That said, Northern Ireland may not be itself a kingdom, but the Queen’s right over it devolves from that of the former Kingdom of Ireland, and that’s why the Irish harp still appears in the royal arms. If that basis had changed, the royal arms would show the arms of Northern Ireland, themselves based on those of the province of Ulster. Mind you, the royal arms and style claimed France until 1802 as well!1 -
The key finding for me is that it’s yet another poll that a PB person was asked to take part in.NickPalmer said:
What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).Casino_Royale said:
Of the tiny minority who watched it.Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1
Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.3 -
Might be a useful negotiating position - keeping him there would be worth a lot.Theuniondivvie said:
Since Prince Andrew seems to have permanently barricaded himself in Balmoral we may be lumbered with a small part of it in any case.TheScreamingEagles said:
It gets very messy.Foxy said:
Surely we are the UK, until Scotland buggers off? Neither Wales nor NI are kingdoms.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah, we'll be FUK.MarqueeMark said:
Of course, we'll have to change back when NI buggers off.DecrepiterJohnL said:GB number plates no longer valid.
If you are driving abroad then your GB plates have to be replaced by UK plates.
At first encounter, I imagined this was the EU playing silly buggers over Brexit but it turns out the government has told the UN we want to be called UK not GB. I had noticed and wondered why so many ministers kept saying UK instead of British recently, and apparently it is part of some grand scheme to do something or other.
A Department for Transport spokesperson said: "Changing the national identifier from GB to UK symbolises our unity as a nation and is part of a wider move towards using the UK signifier across government.
"We notified the UN of our intention to make these changes in July, and have been working with the sector to implement the change."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58734265
And if Scotland goes too, we'll be left with the rather unappealling EW...........
Former United Kingdom.
There's precedent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute
The Union of the Kingdoms predates the Union of the countries.
IIRC the Nats said they would keep the monarchy in the event of independence.0 -
Quite possibly not just Scotland. It seems a conflict of interest to me, so in that case so be it.Fairliered said:
If you give Scottish police officers the choice of their job or their membership of the masons, there may be an imminent shortage of Scottish police officers.Mexicanpete said:
Yes it was heartbreaking, and as a parent I can only guess the appalling pain the Mother is going through, particularly in the knowledge that Ms. Everard would have soon become aware of her fate.Cyclefree said:
The mother's statement is heart-breaking. Hard to read. A reminder - if we needed it - that more than one life is destroyed when a murder is committed.tlg86 said:ITV leading with Sarah Everard. Presumably SKS would actually approve of that (and I mean that sincerely).
I find it hard to believe that this man went from indecent exposure to calculated rapist and killer in a few days. If the police are not looking at unsolved rapes, sexual assaults and murders in the places where he lived and worked to see if he did this before, then they bloody well ought to be.
The people who knew about his flashing, who knew his nickname was "The Rapist" ought to be asking themselves why they did not say anything, why they did not raise the alarm, why they did not "blow the whistle". And if they did, those who ignored them or did not take it seriously need to be asking themselves some hard questions too.
The clues were there. They were ignored. And a young woman is dead because of that.
There does seem to be rather a lot of police officers who have ulterior motives for joining the force. On a day when Starmer's keynote speech was quite rightly sidelined by Couzens' pre-sentencing appearance, it might dawn on Starmer that something he should be looking at for a future Labour Government is vastly more rigerous recruitment procedures for police officers.
And here's one to put the cat amongst the pigeons. The banning of police officers from joining secret organisations whilst in service. No secret dinners on a Tuesday night with Kenny Noye and no secret handshakes with Wally Virgo.
Kenny Noye is my poster boy for why such an arrangement is a very bad idea.0 -
News Flash - In Seattle, King Co Elections has confirmed that petition calling for recall of Socialist Alternative city councilmember Kshama Sawant have sufficient valid voter signatures to qualify for a special election.
Date will not be set until the petition is officially certified, but under state law a recall election must be called 45 to 90 days after certification. King Co Elections says they a tentatively planning for a December 7, 2021 special recall election.
Note that sponsors of the recall deliberately waited to submit signatures until AFTER the deadline for qualifying for the November 2 general election ballot.
Recall petition access Sawant, who currently represents City Council District 3 of "using city resources to promote a “Tax Amazon” ballot initiative and letting demonstrators into City Hall during protests last June when the building was closed to the public due to COVID-19. Sawant and her supporters have described the recall effort as a conservative attempt to combat her work at City Hall for workers and renters." (Seattle Times)
Kshama Sawant has been THE stormy petrel of Seattle politics for over a decade, first winning election to the council by defeating an incumbent in 2013.
BTW, her Socialist Alternative party is a successor to Militant Tendency. Always bugs me when Seattle media call her a Socialist when she is REALLY a Communist of the Trotskyite (or -ist if you prefer) persuasion.
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Yes, I saw about 5 Yr ago.Fairliered said:
Enjoy. We saw Blondie at the Hydro the last time they were in Glasgow. Aged well.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have a trip to Glasgow in November, am seeing Blondie, get there on the Thursday and leave Monday.Fairliered said:
Italian cafes are a feature in Scotland. This is the best. A couple of miles from the city centre, but we are happy to travel from Ayrshire to Coia’s, even though we are only three miles from the most famous Scottish Italian cafe. You may want to book, especially at weekends.TheScreamingEagles said:
Thanks.Fairliered said:
This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.TheScreamingEagles said:Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?
Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.
https://www.brianmaule.com/
https://coiascafe.co.uk/
https://www.nardinis.co.uk/
Debbie Harry moves well for a pensioner.0 -
You sayin' they're not randoms from the internet?isam said:
The key finding for me is that it’s yet another poll that a PB person was asked to take part in.NickPalmer said:
What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).Casino_Royale said:
Of the tiny minority who watched it.Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1
Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.
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That’s why we are changing the brand. If they do then we have the UK & they can’t take it from us 😁😂MarqueeMark said:
Of course, we'll have to change back when NI buggers off.DecrepiterJohnL said:GB number plates no longer valid.
If you are driving abroad then your GB plates have to be replaced by UK plates.
At first encounter, I imagined this was the EU playing silly buggers over Brexit but it turns out the government has told the UN we want to be called UK not GB. I had noticed and wondered why so many ministers kept saying UK instead of British recently, and apparently it is part of some grand scheme to do something or other.
A Department for Transport spokesperson said: "Changing the national identifier from GB to UK symbolises our unity as a nation and is part of a wider move towards using the UK signifier across government.
"We notified the UN of our intention to make these changes in July, and have been working with the sector to implement the change."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58734265
And if Scotland goes too, we'll be left with the rather unappealling EW...........0 -
Glasgow Kissin' in the USA?Foxy said:
Yes, I saw about 5 Yr ago.Fairliered said:
Enjoy. We saw Blondie at the Hydro the last time they were in Glasgow. Aged well.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have a trip to Glasgow in November, am seeing Blondie, get there on the Thursday and leave Monday.Fairliered said:
Italian cafes are a feature in Scotland. This is the best. A couple of miles from the city centre, but we are happy to travel from Ayrshire to Coia’s, even though we are only three miles from the most famous Scottish Italian cafe. You may want to book, especially at weekends.TheScreamingEagles said:
Thanks.Fairliered said:
This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.TheScreamingEagles said:Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?
Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.
https://www.brianmaule.com/
https://coiascafe.co.uk/
https://www.nardinis.co.uk/
Debbie Harry moves well for a pensioner.2 -
Gone off Coia’s partly due to the flock of customers’ large, tinted window 4x4s parked up on double yellows on a Thurs-Saturday. Much as I’d like to, not inclined to make sarky remarks to the large, tattooed owners. Tend to go to Celino’s on the Parade now if feeling that way inclined.Fairliered said:
Italian cafes are a feature in Scotland. This is the best. A couple of miles from the city centre, but we are happy to travel from Ayrshire to Coia’s, even though we are only three miles from the most famous Scottish Italian cafe. You may want to book, especially at weekends.TheScreamingEagles said:
Thanks.Fairliered said:
This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.TheScreamingEagles said:Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?
Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.
https://www.brianmaule.com/
https://coiascafe.co.uk/
https://www.nardinis.co.uk/0 -
As the pollsters will all tell you I tick the boxes of several hard to reach demographics.isam said:
The key finding for me is that it’s yet another poll that a PB person was asked to take part in.NickPalmer said:
What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).Casino_Royale said:
Of the tiny minority who watched it.Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1
Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.
Opinium also downweight the politically engaged.
One of the things why Opinium get things right like GE2019 is that they downweight people who say they will vote for a party but disapprove of its leader.0 -
Though that doesn't stop polling being accurate. For example @isam always quotes Internet polls on leader qualities.geoffw said:
You sayin' they're not randoms from the internet?isam said:
The key finding for me is that it’s yet another poll that a PB person was asked to take part in.NickPalmer said:
What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).Casino_Royale said:
Of the tiny minority who watched it.Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1
Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.1 -
Shut up.Farooq said:
Even Shirley Manson is 55. Almost the same age as Boris Johnson.Foxy said:
Yes, I saw about 5 Yr ago.Fairliered said:
Enjoy. We saw Blondie at the Hydro the last time they were in Glasgow. Aged well.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have a trip to Glasgow in November, am seeing Blondie, get there on the Thursday and leave Monday.Fairliered said:
Italian cafes are a feature in Scotland. This is the best. A couple of miles from the city centre, but we are happy to travel from Ayrshire to Coia’s, even though we are only three miles from the most famous Scottish Italian cafe. You may want to book, especially at weekends.TheScreamingEagles said:
Thanks.Fairliered said:
This is our favourite. Recommend the celebration menu if you want to splurge.TheScreamingEagles said:Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?
Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.
https://www.brianmaule.com/
https://coiascafe.co.uk/
https://www.nardinis.co.uk/
Debbie Harry moves well for a pensioner.
Shirley Manson was my first love.0 -
Barcelona won't even make the Europa League.0
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What makes you think they're accurate?Foxy said:
Though that doesn't stop polling being accurate. For example @isam always quotes Internet polls on leader qualities.geoffw said:
You sayin' they're not randoms from the internet?isam said:
The key finding for me is that it’s yet another poll that a PB person was asked to take part in.NickPalmer said:
What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).Casino_Royale said:
Of the tiny minority who watched it.Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1
Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.
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She did some very unpleasant thingsTheScreamingEagles said:Shirley Manson was my first love.
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Yes, indeedStuartinromford said:
Worth remembering that, for all his real talents, BoJo is a surprisingly poor live public speaker. He's not done the mythical 10 000 hours of slogging away trying to convince a hostile (and sober) audience.NickPalmer said:
What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).Casino_Royale said:
Of the tiny minority who watched it.Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1
Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.
Overall, it works for him, but it's noticeable.
When I was compiling my "conference speeches I remember" list (see below for more excitement!) it struck me that I can't remember a single line of a Boris conference speech, not even a joke, I don't think - and he tells pretty good jokes
What I do remember is the PR and the stunts and the TV shows
The TV Love Actually rip off advert - superb, one of the best electoral ads I've ever seen
The interview where he speaks Ancient Greek from the Iliad for five minutes
HIGNFYou
Driving through a wall
Donnez moi un break
He's often good at the "impromptu" stuff and he can be absolutely brilliant at staged TV, but in general he's a poor speaker, especially at conferences2 -
Are you talking about The Terminator Chronicles?Scott_xP said:
She did some very unpleasant thingsTheScreamingEagles said:Shirley Manson was my first love.
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Yes, probably the online polling panels are contaminated by political partisans, who might also have lied about their demographics in order to be accepted.isam said:
The key finding for me is that it’s yet another poll that a PB person was asked to take part in.NickPalmer said:
What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).Casino_Royale said:
Of the tiny minority who watched it.Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1
Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.1 -
Don't Google it. It will put you right off your breakfast.TheScreamingEagles said:Are you talking about The Terminator Chronicles?
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LikewiseScott_xP said:
I remember him waving a brick.Leon said:He's often good at the "impromptu" stuff and he can be absolutely brilliant at staged TV, but in general he's a poor speaker, especially at conferences
I don't remember why
With Boris it's a series of vivid images that stick in the mind, like a 30 year long cartoon0 -
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So which polls do you follow?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yes, probably the online polling panels are contaminated by political partisans, who might also have lied about their demographics in order to be accepted.isam said:
The key finding for me is that it’s yet another poll that a PB person was asked to take part in.NickPalmer said:
What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).Casino_Royale said:
Of the tiny minority who watched it.Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1
Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.0 -
Oh yes, the metro-wotsits do that all the time.MattW said:
Is still think it was presented as a funny, idiosyncratic, 'look at these strange little people', amusing story.Carnyx said:
Oh, the v.s.rs sold well - much better than the Graun so it wasn't that.MattW said:
I know, but I still think it was I think that was mainly London media wazzocks looking for a line they thought humorous about not-London. Greggs being amusing in the same way the Midlands would find vagina-steaming treatments in Chelsea amusing.Carnyx said:
No, the vegan s.r. were welcomed.MattW said:
Are you sure?Carnyx said:
There is this chain called Greggs which has bistro tables outside. The vegan sausage rolls are particularly admired by the food writers.TheScreamingEagles said:
I did Roganos a while back, but that is shut for the rest of the year.LostPassword said:
It looks like the Italian place on West George Street is closed. That's a shame.TheScreamingEagles said:Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?
Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.
I think that was mainly London media wazzocks looking for a line they thought humorous about not-London.
Is it possibly the deep fried Mars bars you have in mind? (not Greggs) - but they are Scots cuisine for the tourists [edited], not the locals.
I would not mention deep-fried Mars Bars. Though I did slightly enjoy the way OTT version on the Grand Tour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC1Gh8CdDYQ0 -
The bit I remember from last year (I think?) was when he made fun of people who used to say wind farms were so bad they "couldn't pull the skin of a rice pudding".Leon said:
Yes, indeedStuartinromford said:
Worth remembering that, for all his real talents, BoJo is a surprisingly poor live public speaker. He's not done the mythical 10 000 hours of slogging away trying to convince a hostile (and sober) audience.NickPalmer said:
What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).Casino_Royale said:
Of the tiny minority who watched it.Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1
Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.
Overall, it works for him, but it's noticeable.
When I was compiling my "conference speeches I remember" list (see below for more excitement!) it struck me that I can't remember a single line of a Boris conference speech, not even a joke, I don't think - and he tells pretty good jokes
What I do remember is the PR and the stunts and the TV shows
The TV Love Actually rip off advert - superb, one of the best electoral ads I've ever seen
The interview where he speaks Ancient Greek from the Iliad for five minutes
HIGNFYou
Driving through a wall
Donnez moi un break
He's often good at the "impromptu" stuff and he can be absolutely brilliant at staged TV, but in general he's a poor speaker, especially at conferences
And of course who said that . . . it could only be one person he was quoting! And then of course every FBPE 🤡 felt they had to share Boris's remarks as a result.0 -
Britain ordered soldiers to start driving fuel tankers to replenish empty pumps, as motorists remained stuck in queues after nearly a week of shortages. That's despite politicians' assurances things were improving
https://reut.rs/3oxyXiH https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1443313381352644608/video/10 -
She didn't vote SNP did she?Scott_xP said:
Don't Google it. It will put you right off your breakfast.TheScreamingEagles said:Are you talking about The Terminator Chronicles?
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I remember Boris tripping up as he walked to the mike stand when he won the London mayoralty and saying, 'Ah... Ken's final booby trap!' (or something alike that). I thought it was quite a good ad-lib at the time, but it was probably all completely planned.Leon said:
Yes, indeedStuartinromford said:
Worth remembering that, for all his real talents, BoJo is a surprisingly poor live public speaker. He's not done the mythical 10 000 hours of slogging away trying to convince a hostile (and sober) audience.NickPalmer said:
What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).Casino_Royale said:
Of the tiny minority who watched it.Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1
Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.
Overall, it works for him, but it's noticeable.
When I was compiling my "conference speeches I remember" list (see below for more excitement!) it struck me that I can't remember a single line of a Boris conference speech, not even a joke, I don't think - and he tells pretty good jokes
What I do remember is the PR and the stunts and the TV shows
The TV Love Actually rip off advert - superb, one of the best electoral ads I've ever seen
The interview where he speaks Ancient Greek from the Iliad for five minutes
HIGNFYou
Driving through a wall
Donnez moi un break
He's often good at the "impromptu" stuff and he can be absolutely brilliant at staged TV, but in general he's a poor speaker, especially at conferences1 -
Perhaps, just perhaps, the two things might be connected.Scott_xP said:Britain ordered soldiers to start driving fuel tankers to replenish empty pumps, as motorists remained stuck in queues after nearly a week of shortages. That's despite politicians' assurances things were improving
https://reut.rs/3oxyXiH https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1443313381352644608/video/11 -
Anecdata
A floating voter friend of mine - soft Remain, but hates Remoaners - has texted me
"Watched a bit of Keir. I like him. He's honest. I'm bored of Boris. I will vote for Keir next time"
He's in a quasi-marginal and voted Tory in 2019.....0 -
Barcelona are more fecked than a stepmom on you know where.tlg86 said:Barcelona won't even make the Europa League.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/sep/29/real-madrid-can-spend-eight-times-as-much-as-barcelona0 -
I am suspicious of all polls. Online panels are gamed by parties and partisans. Phone polls are badly randomised (see rants passim). Aggressive weighting is used to (attempt to) mask sampling errors. I've some regard for unweighted results, and am intrigued by occasional mass-sampling polls.Foxy said:
So which polls do you follow?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yes, probably the online polling panels are contaminated by political partisans, who might also have lied about their demographics in order to be accepted.isam said:
The key finding for me is that it’s yet another poll that a PB person was asked to take part in.NickPalmer said:
What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).Casino_Royale said:
Of the tiny minority who watched it.Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1
Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.1 -
"Despite reassurances things were improving"? Things are improving. Most stations are already back to normal which is precisely why there was never any reason to panic buy.Scott_xP said:Britain ordered soldiers to start driving fuel tankers to replenish empty pumps, as motorists remained stuck in queues after nearly a week of shortages. That's despite politicians' assurances things were improving
https://reut.rs/3oxyXiH https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1443313381352644608/video/11 -
Dewey! Dewey!DecrepiterJohnL said:
I am suspicious of all polls. Online panels are gamed by parties and partisans. Phone polls are badly randomised (see rants passim). Aggressive weighting is used to (attempt to) mask sampling errors. I've some regard for unweighted results, and am intrigued by occasional mass-sampling polls.Foxy said:
So which polls do you follow?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yes, probably the online polling panels are contaminated by political partisans, who might also have lied about their demographics in order to be accepted.isam said:
The key finding for me is that it’s yet another poll that a PB person was asked to take part in.NickPalmer said:
What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).Casino_Royale said:
Of the tiny minority who watched it.Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1
Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.1 -
Yes, again, it is little images and vignettesStark_Dawning said:
I remembering Boris tripping up as he walked to the mike stand when he won the London mayoralty and saying, 'Ah... Ken's final booby trap!' (or something alike that). I thought it was quite a good ad-lib at the time, but it was probably all completely planned.Leon said:
Yes, indeedStuartinromford said:
Worth remembering that, for all his real talents, BoJo is a surprisingly poor live public speaker. He's not done the mythical 10 000 hours of slogging away trying to convince a hostile (and sober) audience.NickPalmer said:
What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).Casino_Royale said:
Of the tiny minority who watched it.Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1
Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.
Overall, it works for him, but it's noticeable.
When I was compiling my "conference speeches I remember" list (see below for more excitement!) it struck me that I can't remember a single line of a Boris conference speech, not even a joke, I don't think - and he tells pretty good jokes
What I do remember is the PR and the stunts and the TV shows
The TV Love Actually rip off advert - superb, one of the best electoral ads I've ever seen
The interview where he speaks Ancient Greek from the Iliad for five minutes
HIGNFYou
Driving through a wall
Donnez moi un break
He's often good at the "impromptu" stuff and he can be absolutely brilliant at staged TV, but in general he's a poor speaker, especially at conferences
Boris throwing the basketball and somehow scoring from miles away
Boris stuck on the zipline with the flags
Boris doing that hand up Feel the Force thing and the cameraman falling over
Boris in absurd shorts and shirt combo on holiday
Cartoon images. But in an instagram age, this visual memorability may be a key asset1 -
I heard the independents had around a quarter they had no fuel, when yesterday it was more than a third. So yes, improving.Philip_Thompson said:
"Despite reassurances things were improving"? Things are improving. Most stations are already back to normal which is precisely why there was never any reason to panic buy.Scott_xP said:Britain ordered soldiers to start driving fuel tankers to replenish empty pumps, as motorists remained stuck in queues after nearly a week of shortages. That's despite politicians' assurances things were improving
https://reut.rs/3oxyXiH https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1443313381352644608/video/11 -
This a million times.
I have to say I find the emphasis that the Metropolitan Police are putting on Couzens being an “ex” police officer pretty sickening. He was a police officer when he murdered Sarah Everard. More than that, he used that as a key part of his crime.
https://twitter.com/IsabelHardman/status/144329219027757056910 -
I'm glad this government is so against gesture politics.DecrepiterJohnL said:GB number plates no longer valid.
If you are driving abroad then your GB plates have to be replaced by UK plates.
At first encounter, I imagined this was the EU playing silly buggers over Brexit but it turns out the government has told the UN we want to be called UK not GB. I had noticed and wondered why so many ministers kept saying UK instead of British recently, and apparently it is part of some grand scheme to do something or other.
A Department for Transport spokesperson said: "Changing the national identifier from GB to UK symbolises our unity as a nation and is part of a wider move towards using the UK signifier across government.
"We notified the UN of our intention to make these changes in July, and have been working with the sector to implement the change."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-587342652 -
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Hats off to United Airlines who are in the process of firing nearly 600 vaccine dodgers.0 -
So Scott is right, it's Bozo the clown.Leon said:
Yes, again, it is little images and vignettesStark_Dawning said:
I remembering Boris tripping up as he walked to the mike stand when he won the London mayoralty and saying, 'Ah... Ken's final booby trap!' (or something alike that). I thought it was quite a good ad-lib at the time, but it was probably all completely planned.Leon said:
Yes, indeedStuartinromford said:
Worth remembering that, for all his real talents, BoJo is a surprisingly poor live public speaker. He's not done the mythical 10 000 hours of slogging away trying to convince a hostile (and sober) audience.NickPalmer said:
What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).Casino_Royale said:
Of the tiny minority who watched it.Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1
Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.
Overall, it works for him, but it's noticeable.
When I was compiling my "conference speeches I remember" list (see below for more excitement!) it struck me that I can't remember a single line of a Boris conference speech, not even a joke, I don't think - and he tells pretty good jokes
What I do remember is the PR and the stunts and the TV shows
The TV Love Actually rip off advert - superb, one of the best electoral ads I've ever seen
The interview where he speaks Ancient Greek from the Iliad for five minutes
HIGNFYou
Driving through a wall
Donnez moi un break
He's often good at the "impromptu" stuff and he can be absolutely brilliant at staged TV, but in general he's a poor speaker, especially at conferences
Boris throwing the basketball and somehow scoring from miles away
Boris stuck on the zipline with the flags
Boris doing that hand up Feel the Force thing and the cameraman falling over
Boris in absurd shorts and shirt combo on holiday
Cartoon images. But in an instagram age, this visual memorability may be a key asset
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Time to repost this - https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/01/17/a-toxic-culture/.Casino_Royale said:
Recruitment is actually only a small part of it. Anyone can game a recruitment process.Mexicanpete said:
Yes it was heartbreaking, and as a parent I can only guess the appalling pain the Mother is going through, particularly in the knowledge that Ms. Everard would have soon become aware of her fate.Cyclefree said:
The mother's statement is heart-breaking. Hard to read. A reminder - if we needed it - that more than one life is destroyed when a murder is committed.tlg86 said:ITV leading with Sarah Everard. Presumably SKS would actually approve of that (and I mean that sincerely).
I find it hard to believe that this man went from indecent exposure to calculated rapist and killer in a few days. If the police are not looking at unsolved rapes, sexual assaults and murders in the places where he lived and worked to see if he did this before, then they bloody well ought to be.
The people who knew about his flashing, who knew his nickname was "The Rapist" ought to be asking themselves why they did not say anything, why they did not raise the alarm, why they did not "blow the whistle". And if they did, those who ignored them or did not take it seriously need to be asking themselves some hard questions too.
The clues were there. They were ignored. And a young woman is dead because of that.
There does seem to be rather a lot of police officers who have ulterior motives for joining the force. On a day when Starmer's keynote speech was quite rightly sidelined by Couzens' pre-sentencing appearance, it might dawn on Starmer that something he should be looking at for a future Labour Government is vastly more rigerous recruitment procedures for police officers.
And here's one to put the cat amongst the pigeons. The banning of police officers from joining secret organisations whilst in service. No secret dinners on a Tuesday night with Kenny Noye and no secret handshakes with Wally Virgo.
The organisational culture in day-to-day operation is far more important.
The penultimate paragraph is particularly relevant.2 -
Exactly. Let’s tell it as it is.Foxy said:
Any situation needs risk assessment on its merits. Different situations have different risk and different mitigations.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes but then why are masks needed while in Parliament - but not needed around uninfected negative tested people they could infect?Foxy said:
Because the effects are compounded. Masks reduce the risk of transmission even further.Philip_Thompson said:
The question isn't why double-vaxxed people are at less risk . . . I 100% agree that the vaccinated are low risk which is why as a double-vaxxed individual I don't wear a mask. However these people while being double-vaxxed do normally every Wednesday.Foxy said:
It really is simple.Philip_Thompson said:
You're missing my point.Foxy said:
Not true.Philip_Thompson said:
No, for the vaccinated its not any mitigation whatsoever that they're not going to infect others - which is what the mask is supposedly about.Foxy said:
No, but like masks it is a significant partial mitigation. Very little is 100%.Philip_Thompson said:
How does that make any difference at all?Foxy said:
Does Parliament require a vaxx passport or negative LFT for entry, including the thousands of support workers?tlg86 said:It's been mentioned already, but the contrast could not be more stark.
Any pro-mask people on here want to defend them?
The conference seemed to do so:
https://labour.org.uk/conference/faqs/#COVID
Are you saying that the vaccinated can't infect the unvaccinated who have tested negative?
You're mitigating against the risk of the unvaccinated infecting others (since they've tested negative) but you've not remotely adjusted the risk of the vaccinated infecting others.
So the vaccinated wearing masks normally is pure theatre isn't it?
We know that the risk of a double vaxxed individual catching covid is markedly reduced, and when they do the condition is both shorter in duration and less severe. Together this is probably a reduction of infectivity of perhaps 80%, a figure comparable or better than masking.
Yes we know the risk of a double-vaxxed individual is markedly reduced, but the double-vaxxed individuals can be infected anyway and can infect the unvaxxed which is supposedly why according to the mask theatre individuals even vaxxed people need to wear a mask.
So if the mask is to help others why does the people the vaxxed are mingling with the negative reduce the risk of the vaxxed infecting the negative?
Otherwise why shouldn't the vaxxed never wear masks in the first place?
Double vaxxed people catch it less often, thereby reducing the risk to others. They get it for shorter periods, so are less risk to others, and are have milder symptoms, so less likely to transmit (less sneezing, coughing etc).
If you cannot understand that, then I cannot explain it to you further.
So the question is why double-vaxxed people are so high risk to others they supposedly need to wear masks while in the Commons?
But they're so low risk to others they're not required to wear masks while around the unvaccinated who aren't infected?
🤦♂️
There’s far more risk the camera pans and loiters on you front row of leaders conference than in HoC, so got to look your best - not look like a bogroll banditeer.
Tell me I’m calling it wrong.0 -
Polling companies know respondents previous responses, so know shifts in opinion.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I am suspicious of all polls. Online panels are gamed by parties and partisans. Phone polls are badly randomised (see rants passim). Aggressive weighting is used to (attempt to) mask sampling errors. I've some regard for unweighted results, and am intrigued by occasional mass-sampling polls.Foxy said:
So which polls do you follow?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yes, probably the online polling panels are contaminated by political partisans, who might also have lied about their demographics in order to be accepted.isam said:
The key finding for me is that it’s yet another poll that a PB person was asked to take part in.NickPalmer said:
What they did is show highlights to a sample of 1330, and compared it with previous similar experiments with first-time leader speeches - he did better (5.9/10) than Corbyn 2015 (5.1), who in turn did better than Johnson 2019 (4.1).Casino_Royale said:
Of the tiny minority who watched it.Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1
Which shows the limitations, since Johnson actually won. But although most people won't have seen this speech, it does suggest that he comes across well when people listen to him - and there will be plenty more opportunities for that as we emerge from lockdown. The key finding is probably that 63% agreed with what he had to say, vs. 29% who didn't.
I too am dubious about weighting as a compensator for unrandomised samples, but polls are too often correct to invalidate the methodology.0 -
That's a very cherry picked set of numbers. You need to include:Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1
Alive - 44%
Fragrant - 38%
Strange haircut - 56%
Pregnant - 51%1 -
That would be the Real Madrid that lost last night to a Moldovan team knocked out last year by Dundalk?TheScreamingEagles said:
Barcelona are more fecked than a stepmom on you know where.tlg86 said:Barcelona won't even make the Europa League.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/sep/29/real-madrid-can-spend-eight-times-as-much-as-barcelona0 -
Off topic, and I’m not sure if anyone else feels the same, but the Sarah everard sentencing is horrifying. The accounts, the timeline.
And Cressida Dick gets a contract extension?1 -
PS I blame Trinny and Susannah for all this bare leg, what exactly was wrong with hose and stockings? And, risk of showing my age, frilly gussets.gealbhan said:
Exactly. Let’s tell it as it is.Foxy said:
Any situation needs risk assessment on its merits. Different situations have different risk and different mitigations.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes but then why are masks needed while in Parliament - but not needed around uninfected negative tested people they could infect?Foxy said:
Because the effects are compounded. Masks reduce the risk of transmission even further.Philip_Thompson said:
The question isn't why double-vaxxed people are at less risk . . . I 100% agree that the vaccinated are low risk which is why as a double-vaxxed individual I don't wear a mask. However these people while being double-vaxxed do normally every Wednesday.Foxy said:
It really is simple.Philip_Thompson said:
You're missing my point.Foxy said:
Not true.Philip_Thompson said:
No, for the vaccinated its not any mitigation whatsoever that they're not going to infect others - which is what the mask is supposedly about.Foxy said:
No, but like masks it is a significant partial mitigation. Very little is 100%.Philip_Thompson said:
How does that make any difference at all?Foxy said:
Does Parliament require a vaxx passport or negative LFT for entry, including the thousands of support workers?tlg86 said:It's been mentioned already, but the contrast could not be more stark.
Any pro-mask people on here want to defend them?
The conference seemed to do so:
https://labour.org.uk/conference/faqs/#COVID
Are you saying that the vaccinated can't infect the unvaccinated who have tested negative?
You're mitigating against the risk of the unvaccinated infecting others (since they've tested negative) but you've not remotely adjusted the risk of the vaccinated infecting others.
So the vaccinated wearing masks normally is pure theatre isn't it?
We know that the risk of a double vaxxed individual catching covid is markedly reduced, and when they do the condition is both shorter in duration and less severe. Together this is probably a reduction of infectivity of perhaps 80%, a figure comparable or better than masking.
Yes we know the risk of a double-vaxxed individual is markedly reduced, but the double-vaxxed individuals can be infected anyway and can infect the unvaxxed which is supposedly why according to the mask theatre individuals even vaxxed people need to wear a mask.
So if the mask is to help others why does the people the vaxxed are mingling with the negative reduce the risk of the vaxxed infecting the negative?
Otherwise why shouldn't the vaxxed never wear masks in the first place?
Double vaxxed people catch it less often, thereby reducing the risk to others. They get it for shorter periods, so are less risk to others, and are have milder symptoms, so less likely to transmit (less sneezing, coughing etc).
If you cannot understand that, then I cannot explain it to you further.
So the question is why double-vaxxed people are so high risk to others they supposedly need to wear masks while in the Commons?
But they're so low risk to others they're not required to wear masks while around the unvaccinated who aren't infected?
🤦♂️
There’s far more risk the camera pans and loiters on you front row of leaders conference than in HoC, so got to look your best - not look like a bogroll banditeer.
Tell me I’m calling it wrong.0 -
I missed this - but yes..TheScreamingEagles said:This a million times.
I have to say I find the emphasis that the Metropolitan Police are putting on Couzens being an “ex” police officer pretty sickening. He was a police officer when he murdered Sarah Everard. More than that, he used that as a key part of his crime.
https://twitter.com/IsabelHardman/status/14432921902775705690 -
Trans-Dniepr actually.Foxy said:
That would be the Real Madrid that lost last night to a Moldovan team knocked out last year by Dundalk?TheScreamingEagles said:
Barcelona are more fecked than a stepmom on you know where.tlg86 said:Barcelona won't even make the Europa League.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/sep/29/real-madrid-can-spend-eight-times-as-much-as-barcelona
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While people are mildly praising Starmer today, remember that, as Shadow Brexit Minister, he wanted to cancel British democracy and call a 2nd referendum , before we'd even enacted the first
That shows astonishing lack of judgement, and political morals. He was happy, indeed eager to ignore the votes of 17.4m people - the largest vote in British history - just because he didn't like what they said. Because he knew better
"We need to ask the public whether they are prepared to leave with the best deal that can be negotiated or whether they wouldn’t rather stay in the EU. There is no other way to break the Brexit cycle and for the country to move on."
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/keir-starmer-labour-is-committed-to-a-second-referendum-a4243906.html
Starmer is an absolute fucking fraud. Posing as the decent honest common sense guy. He wanted to destroy democracy
Fuck him. I hope the Tories use this "minor detail" properly and ruthlessly, and destroy him. It must not ever be forgotten: what Remoaners like Starmer proposed to do. It is no better than what Trumpites wanted to do at the Capitol5 -
Presumably because of increased risk to others 🤔Mexicanpete said:Off topic
Hats off to United Airlines who are in the process of firing nearly 600 vaccine dodgers.0 -
Oh dear! The media are going to have to find something else to scare the gullible with.Philip_Thompson said:
"Despite reassurances things were improving"? Things are improving. Most stations are already back to normal which is precisely why there was never any reason to panic buy.Scott_xP said:Britain ordered soldiers to start driving fuel tankers to replenish empty pumps, as motorists remained stuck in queues after nearly a week of shortages. That's despite politicians' assurances things were improving
https://reut.rs/3oxyXiH https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1443313381352644608/video/12 -
Next James Bond - 72%rcs1000 said:
That's a very cherry picked set of numbers. You need to include:Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1
Alive - 44%
Fragrant - 38%
Strange haircut - 56%
Pregnant - 51%
Next Dr Who - 73%2 -
Why does Mr Smithson choose the Guardian to anyalse the speech one wonders...0
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It's interesting about policing, unfortunately it really is a few bad apples, to use that awful phrase.
The MET are universally disliked by pretty much every other force, their institutional arrogance (a feature of larger metropolitan forces seemingly) causes many of these problems. Strip them of many national focussed roles and either move them to the NCA or regional hubs, possibly.
How do we change, is a particularly challenging issue, I'd probably give the IOPC greater powers, funding and increase their scrutiny around corruption, I'd wager it would only take 1 or 2 cases to massively move things towards a better place, but keep the pressure on.
Politicians need to stop being either for or against and work for positive change, listen to the rank and file (not the Federation, a union which fights for its members, as it should, but by definition a very conservative organisation) they have good ideas and recognise where they need to change and how best to achieve it.
Force forces to adopt best practice, if they don't hold them to account.
Promote less conservative leaders.
Fund the criminal justice system at all levels properly.
That's how I'd start anyway.0 -
Has a cervix?rcs1000 said:
That's a very cherry picked set of numbers. You need to include:Scott_xP said:🚨BREAKING🚨
Our snap poll with @SkyNewsBreak on Starmer's speech is out!
The verdict - Fairly positive.
% who think he came across as:
🔴Cares about ordinary people - 68%
🔴Competent - 62%
🔴In touch with people’s concerns - 60%
🔴Strong - 57%
🔴Interesting - 41% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1443278145126342656/photo/1
Alive - 44%
Fragrant - 38%
Strange haircut - 56%
Pregnant - 51%
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Three more U.K. power suppliers collapse as Energy crisis deepens https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-29/tally-of-collapsed-u-k-suppliers-rises-as-three-more-failFairliered said:Oh dear! The media are going to have to find something else to scare the gullible with.
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Perhaps he likes the exotic spelling.squareroot2 said:Why does Mr Smithson choose the Guardian to anyalse the speech one wonders...
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@TheScreamingEaglesTheuniondivvie said:
You could take Sarah Vine's recommendation of the Ubiquitous Fish? More seriously the Ubiquitous Chip has been providing decent scran in the west end since the 70s and is only a 10 minute cab ride from the centre (call it the U.B. Chip if you want to sound local). The same family also have Stravaigin which is a bit more youth orientated and adventurous, and a bit closer to the centre.TheScreamingEagles said:Any decent restaurant recommendations for central Glasgow?
Last time I was there I nearly incited a riot after describing the local food as tasting like deep fried shavings from a ped egg.
Edit: checked Stravaigin online and it seems they occasionally have grey squirrel on the menu..
Stravaigan is superb
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