Ipsos-MORI: Starmer and BoJo level on who’d make most capable PM – politicalbetting.com

System · September 2021

Ipsos-MORI: Starmer and BoJo level on who’d make most capable PM – politicalbetting.com

In what is the first time Starmer has been level in any poll when compared with Johnson the two are level pegging on who would make the most capable PM. The change is more down to Johnson’s ratings dropping sharply than Starmer’s moving up.

Read the full story here

SandyRentool · September 2021

Where are the comments?

Edit: Looks like there weren't any.

So that would be "First, like a smug person in a petrol queue."

Richard_Nabavi · September 2021

SandyRentool said:
Where are the comments?

They've all been panic-bought.

Big_G_NorthWales · September 2021

Redfield & Wilton

No change

Westminster Voting Intention (27 Sept):

Conservative 41% (–)
Labour 35% (–)
Liberal Democrat 10% (+2)
Green 5% (-2)
Scottish National Party 4% (–)
Reform UK 3% (–)
Other 2% (–)

Changes +/- 20 Sept

HYUFD · September 2021

Starmer -25% though on net satisfaction. Boris -12%

Chelyabinsk · September 2021

Andy_JS said:
Compared to most western European countries, Britain is a "low trust" society. Although the situation isn't anywhere near as bad as it is the United States.

Eurostat results for 'trust in others' (ilc_pw04), for Eurovoc's definition of Western European countries:

Netherlands - 6.9
Switzerland - 6.4
Ireland - 6.4
United Kingdom - 6.1
Austria - 5.9
Belgium - 5.7
Germany - 5.5
Luxembourg - 5.5
France - 5.0

felix · September 2021

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Westminster Voting Intention (27 Sept):

Conservative 41% (–)
Labour 35% (–)
Liberal Democrat 10% (+2)
Green 5% (-2)
Scottish National Party 4% (–)
Reform UK 3% (–)
Other 2% (–)

Changes +/- 20 Sept

Hard not to laugh right now!

Big_G_NorthWales · September 2021

I am genuinely surprised that with the onslaught v HMG Redfield & Wilton still shows a 6% conservative lead

Big_G_NorthWales · September 2021

felix said:
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Westminster Voting Intention (27 Sept):

Conservative 41% (–)
Labour 35% (–)
Liberal Democrat 10% (+2)
Green 5% (-2)
Scottish National Party 4% (–)
Reform UK 3% (–)
Other 2% (–)

Changes +/- 20 Sept

Hard not to laugh right now!

It really is

Stocky · September 2021

Can still get 1.29 (Smarkets) on Green/SPD/FDP - is this value?

isam · September 2021

On every other metric in that poll is awful for Sir Keir and great for Boris

Boris Gross Positive 39 Net -12
Sir Keir Gross Positive 25 Net -25

Boris lead +14 and +13

Boris second only to Blair in terms on net satisfaction w the PM at this stage of his Premiership

Tories second only to 97 Blair in terms of net satisfaction with the government

Sir Keir's net satisfaction only better than Foot, Corbyn and IDS at this stage of his time as LotO

Only once since Blair has a Labour opposition been thought of as less ready to form a government

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-09/Ipsos MORI September 2021 Political Monitor Charts_270921_PUBLIC_0.pdf

kle4 · September 2021

isam said:
"An MP has been accused of threatening to use acid against a woman she believed to be in a relationship with her partner, a court has heard.

Claudia Webbe, 56, allegedly became “obsessed” with Michelle Merritt due to her friendship with the Leicester East MP’s partner, Lester Thomas.

Webbe also threatened to reveal naked photographs and videos she supposedly had of Merritt to her family, Westminster magistrates court heard on Monday.

Webbe, who was elected as a Labour MP but has since had the whip withdrawn, denies the charge."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/27/mp-accused-of-making-acid-threat-to-friend-of-her-partner-court-hears-claudia-webbw

I'm not sure what I was expecting when I first heard about the case, but it wasn't that.

As with all MP trials, will be interesting to follow.

turbotubbs · September 2021

SandyRentool said:
Where are the comments?

Edit: Looks like there weren't any.

So that would be "First, like a smug person in a petrol queue."

'Sorry mate, only diesel left...'

Northern_Al · September 2021

Richard_Nabavi said:

SandyRentool said:
Where are the comments?
They've all been panic-bought.

I blame the media.

turbotubbs · September 2021

FPT

turbotubbs said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Sandpit said:

Scott_xP said:
I was told today by the Licensed Taxi Drivers Association that an estimated 25-30% of its members haven’t been able to work today due to fuel shortages.

“We keep being told by the Department for Transport that this isn’t a crisis - but it is a crisis for people who can’t work”
https://twitter.com/HelenAnnSmith0/status/1442518605271158792
If everyone who didn’t *need* petrol today, didn’t try to buy it today, there wouldn’t be a problem.

There is only a ‘crisis’ because the media arsonists are shouting fire in the theatre.
Would you recommend a supine media that is told not to report that there are tanker and lorry driver shortages? Whether we like it or not, it is a story, as is the response of government.
This is a really tricky issue. On Friday 5Live kept leading on the story 'A few BP garages have run out, but there is no need to panic buy'. This triggered the panic buying, and then once it started, as others have said, it becomes like the prisoners dilemna. Apparently the situation of some empty garages has not suddenly started but has been going on for a while, and there is a strong suggestion that someone has leaked this story for a reason i.e. the distribution companies want the government to relent and give visa to get cheaper drivers than investing in UK training.

5Live will say that they repeatedly said there is no need to panic buy, but it was too late by then. Herds act as herds.

The ones I condemn are the selfish twunks who not only filled their vehicles, but also jerry cans (one I've heard filled three!) and are in fact breaking the law transporting them in their vehicles and storing it at home.

BannedinnParis · September 2021

Most governments are unpopular.

Theuniondivvie · September 2021

Big_G_NorthWales said:

felix said:
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Westminster Voting Intention (27 Sept):

Conservative 41% (–)
Labour 35% (–)
Liberal Democrat 10% (+2)
Green 5% (-2)
Scottish National Party 4% (–)
Reform UK 3% (–)
Other 2% (–)

Changes +/- 20 Sept

Hard not to laugh right now!
It really is

It certainly is.

'I expect a labour lead '

BannedinnParis · September 2021

Most oppositions are unpopular. Those that aren't ... well.

BannedinnParis · September 2021

It's like the 2 golden rules of politics.

Sandpit · September 2021

turbotubbs said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Sandpit said:

Scott_xP said:
I was told today by the Licensed Taxi Drivers Association that an estimated 25-30% of its members haven’t been able to work today due to fuel shortages.

“We keep being told by the Department for Transport that this isn’t a crisis - but it is a crisis for people who can’t work”
https://twitter.com/HelenAnnSmith0/status/1442518605271158792
If everyone who didn’t *need* petrol today, didn’t try to buy it today, there wouldn’t be a problem.

There is only a ‘crisis’ because the media arsonists are shouting fire in the theatre.
Would you recommend a supine media that is told not to report that there are tanker and lorry driver shortages? Whether we like it or not, it is a story, as is the response of government.
This is a really tricky issue. On Friday 5Live kept leading on the story 'A few BP garages have run out, but there is no need to panic buy'. This triggered the panic buying, and then once it started, as others have said, it becomes like the prisoners dilemna. Apparently the situation of some empty garages has not suddenly started but has been going on for a while, and there is a strong suggestion that someone has leaked this story for a reason i.e. the distribution companies want the government to relent and give visa to get cheaper drivers than investing in UK training.

5Live will say that they repeatedly said there is no need to panic buy, but it was too late by then. Herds act as herds.

The ones I condemn are the selfish twunks who not only filled their vehicles, but also jerry cans (one I've heard filled three!) and are in fact breaking the law transporting them in their vehicles and storing it at home.

Don’t panic buy, don’t panic buy, don’t PANIC BUY, don’t PANIC BUY

Scott_xP · September 2021

Something worth keeping an eye on:

The Crown Office has confirmed that complaints from MSPs Murdo Fraser & Jackie Baillie about the evidence given under oath to the colloquially named ‘Salmond inquiry’ by SNP chief executive Peter Murrell remain "under consideration".
https://twitter.com/DeanMThomson/status/1442520294720221189

isam · September 2021

BannedinnParis said:
Most oppositions are unpopular. Those that aren't ... well.

Yes, oppositions as unpopular as this one, stay oppositions

rottenborough · September 2021

Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico
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Imagine being someone who'd said we'd get explosive growth in cases this Autumn/Winter. (Or, in other words, imagine being pretty much anyone who predicted these things other than me,
@JamesWard73 or @BallouxFrancois). Imagine how silly you'd feel now.

===

Will the media continue to interview iSAGE peeps every day about the awful catastrophe that is just days away?

BannedinnParis · September 2021

Scott_xP said:
Something worth keeping an eye on:

LOLies.

Theuniondivvie · September 2021

A backbone!

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1442524697346945032?s=20

BannedinnParis · September 2021

BannedinnParis said:
It's like the 2 golden rules of politics.

Oddly, I've found my fourth rule but not my third.

"aka, BannedinnParis' fourth rule of UK politics: Don't chase monthly figures."

BannedinnParis · September 2021

Fifth?

A kazoo has more notes.

BannedinnParis · September 2021

Sixth.

Stop trying to make Burnergate* a thing.

*insert whichever non-thing is being pushed by the clever people at the time.

Stark_Dawning · September 2021

More grim news for Sir Keir. Someone has quit his Shadow Cabinet.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1442523876093829120?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1442523876093829120|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/sep/27/labour-conference-live-keir-starmer-mandelson-leadership-election-rule-change-corbyn?page=with3Ablock-6151ef098f0894e5f8bd8107

Big_G_NorthWales · September 2021

Theuniondivvie said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

felix said:
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Westminster Voting Intention (27 Sept):

Conservative 41% (–)
Labour 35% (–)
Liberal Democrat 10% (+2)
Green 5% (-2)
Scottish National Party 4% (–)
Reform UK 3% (–)
Other 2% (–)

Changes +/- 20 Sept

Hard not to laugh right now!
It really is
It certainly is.

'I expect a labour lead '

I did and I am surprised

Maybe the public blame the public

Good job I do not bet

Stuartinromford · September 2021

Yup, Starmer and Labour are distinctly underwhelming. On the other hand, there's also this;
Does the Conservative Government deserve to be re-elected?
Agree: 32%, Disagree 46%

Unfortunately, there isn't a historical series for this one, but it doesn't point to a joyful election campaign when the time comes.

BannedinnParis · September 2021

Stark_Dawning said:
More grim news for Sir Keir. Someone has quit his Shadow Cabinet.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1442523876093829120?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1442523876093829120|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/sep/27/labour-conference-live-keir-starmer-mandelson-leadership-election-rule-change-corbyn?page=with3Ablock-6151ef098f0894e5f8bd8107

1. Who?

2. You can't just point at something and make a Shadow Secretary of State for it.

Sandpit · September 2021

Theuniondivvie said:
A backbone!

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1442524697346945032?s=20

Whoops. Not sure that was in the Conference plan!

Big_G_NorthWales · September 2021

Theuniondivvie said:
A backbone!

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1442524697346945032?s=20

And Rachel name checked him

eek · September 2021

Stark_Dawning said:
More grim news for Sir Keir. Someone has quit his Shadow Cabinet.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1442523876093829120?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1442523876093829120|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/sep/27/labour-conference-live-keir-starmer-mandelson-leadership-election-rule-change-corbyn?page=with3Ablock-6151ef098f0894e5f8bd8107

Read the letter and you can see he is no great lose to to a party that actually wants power.

A £15 minimum wage is completely insane...

It's a lovely idea but that has to be a long term aspiration, not a plan for a 2023 election.

Stocky · September 2021

Stark_Dawning said:
More grim news for Sir Keir. Someone has quit his Shadow Cabinet.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1442523876093829120?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1442523876093829120|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/sep/27/labour-conference-live-keir-starmer-mandelson-leadership-election-rule-change-corbyn?page=with3Ablock-6151ef098f0894e5f8bd8107

The thing that comes through for me in that letter is his mentality that party politics is all about class war rather than a matter of competing ideologies, principles and values.

SandyRentool · September 2021

The Zeroth Rule of Politics:

Most people don't follow politics.

kle4 · September 2021

BannedinnParis said:

Stark_Dawning said:
More grim news for Sir Keir. Someone has quit his Shadow Cabinet.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1442523876093829120?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1442523876093829120|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/sep/27/labour-conference-live-keir-starmer-mandelson-leadership-election-rule-change-corbyn?page=with3Ablock-6151ef098f0894e5f8bd8107
1. Who?

2. You can't just point at something and make a Shadow Secretary of State for it.

You can, when you can even have ministers and departments for an undefined slogan now

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_for_Levelling_Up,_Housing_and_Communities

kle4 · September 2021

SandyRentool said:
The Zeroth Rule of Politics:

Most people don't follow politics.

They're missing out.

Theuniondivvie · September 2021

Henrik
@br_nning
1h
Lisa Nandy has told a fringe meeting that Labour should take heart from German election result. But there is one big difference here: SDP is pro EU. Labour voted for Johnson's deal. Two very different political parties.

Also, not sure if aiming for 25.7% of the vote isn't a little unambitious.

kle4 · September 2021

Theuniondivvie said:
Henrik
@br_nning
1h
Lisa Nandy has told a fringe meeting that Labour should take heart from German election result. But there is one big difference here: SDP is pro EU. Labour voted for Johnson's deal. Two very different political parties.

Also, not sure if aiming for 25.7% of the vote isn't a little unambitious.

I think it is generally a poor sign if people are relying on results under a different voting system, in a different country, with parties that are not perfect analogues for UK parties, to take heart.

It doesn't exactly project confidence to me.

rottenborough · September 2021

kle4 said:

BannedinnParis said:

Stark_Dawning said:
More grim news for Sir Keir. Someone has quit his Shadow Cabinet.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1442523876093829120?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1442523876093829120|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/sep/27/labour-conference-live-keir-starmer-mandelson-leadership-election-rule-change-corbyn?page=with3Ablock-6151ef098f0894e5f8bd8107
1. Who?

2. You can't just point at something and make a Shadow Secretary of State for it.
You can, when you can even have ministers and departments for an undefined slogan now

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_for_Levelling_Up,_Housing_and_Communities

Resigned over national minimum wage pledge. He wanted £15 an hour

MaxPB · September 2021

Theuniondivvie said:
Henrik
@br_nning
1h
Lisa Nandy has told a fringe meeting that Labour should take heart from German election result. But there is one big difference here: SDP is pro EU. Labour voted for Johnson's deal. Two very different political parties.

Also, not sure if aiming for 25.7% of the vote isn't a little unambitious.

Looking to replicate their journey in Scotland nationally clearly.

SandyRentool · September 2021

kle4 said:

SandyRentool said:
The Zeroth Rule of Politics:

Most people don't follow politics.
They're missing out.

Perhaps. Or perhaps we are!

Scott_xP · September 2021

Boris Johnson slumps NINE points in the polls to draw level with Keir Starmer https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/16256913/boris-johnson-slumps-nine-points-in-the-polls/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=sunpoliticstwitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1632753553

TheWhiteRabbit · September 2021

rottenborough said:

kle4 said:

BannedinnParis said:

Stark_Dawning said:
More grim news for Sir Keir. Someone has quit his Shadow Cabinet.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1442523876093829120?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1442523876093829120|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/sep/27/labour-conference-live-keir-starmer-mandelson-leadership-election-rule-change-corbyn?page=with3Ablock-6151ef098f0894e5f8bd8107
1. Who?

2. You can't just point at something and make a Shadow Secretary of State for it.
You can, when you can even have ministers and departments for an undefined slogan now

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_for_Levelling_Up,_Housing_and_Communities
Resigned over national minimum wage pledge. He wanted £15 an hour

The Canadians have us beat anyway:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_Middle_Class_Prosperity

Big_G_NorthWales · September 2021

Scott_xP said:
Boris Johnson slumps NINE points in the polls to draw level with Keir Starmer https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/16256913/boris-johnson-slumps-nine-points-in-the-polls/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=sunpoliticstwitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1632753553

That is the thread header

Theuniondivvie · September 2021

kle4 said:

Theuniondivvie said:
Henrik
@br_nning
1h
Lisa Nandy has told a fringe meeting that Labour should take heart from German election result. But there is one big difference here: SDP is pro EU. Labour voted for Johnson's deal. Two very different political parties.

Also, not sure if aiming for 25.7% of the vote isn't a little unambitious.
I think it is generally a poor sign if people are relying on results under a different voting system, in a different country, with parties that are not perfect analogues for UK parties, to take heart.

It doesn't exactly project confidence to me.

I could point her to a recent result even closer to home where a social democratic, left of centre party got 47% of the vote, I don't think she'd take much heart from that though.

rottenborough · September 2021

Alastair McLellan
@HSJEditor
BREAKING: Social distancing rules in hospitals changed so that patients can be cared for 1 metre, rather than 2 metres apart. Will make a BIG difference to the number of beds that can be used (assuming hospitals have the staff of course)

felix · September 2021

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Scott_xP said:
Boris Johnson slumps NINE points in the polls to draw level with Keir Starmer https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/16256913/boris-johnson-slumps-nine-points-in-the-polls/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=sunpoliticstwitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1632753553
That is the thread header

You have to feel for Scotty - he's been repeating posts several times - and people seem less and less interested.....

felix · September 2021

eek said:

Stark_Dawning said:
More grim news for Sir Keir. Someone has quit his Shadow Cabinet.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1442523876093829120?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1442523876093829120|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/sep/27/labour-conference-live-keir-starmer-mandelson-leadership-election-rule-change-corbyn?page=with3Ablock-6151ef098f0894e5f8bd8107
Read the letter and you can see he is no great lose to to a party that actually wants power.

A £15 minimum wage is completely insane...

It's a lovely idea but that has to be a long term aspiration, not a plan for a 2023 election.

Indeed - makes you wonder what idiot appointed him in the first place - oh!

MaxPB · September 2021

rottenborough said:

Alastair McLellan
@HSJEditor
BREAKING: Social distancing rules in hospitals changed so that patients can be cared for 1 metre, rather than 2 metres apart. Will make a BIG difference to the number of beds that can be used (assuming hospitals have the staff of course)

That move alone will allow for a reduction in the waiting lists.

Malmesbury · September 2021

UK cases by specimen date

kle4 · September 2021

Just went to check the Labour manifesto to see if this guy was right Starmer was not honouring a pledge made in it (or during his leadership campaign - maybe he said he supported it then, but his 10 generic pledges don't as far as I can see), since he refers to this issue as the 'latest of many', and the Labour site has under 'additional manifestoes':

Youth Manifesto
Charter for the Arts
Race and Faith Manifesto
Environment Manifesto
Manifesto for Disabled People
Workers' rights manifesto
Regional manifestoes
Housing manifesto

Kudos, I suppose, but it seems like too many.

Malmesbury · September 2021

UK cases by specimen date and scaled to 100K

Malmesbury · September 2021

UK local R

Scrapheap_as_was · September 2021

Hooray - a dramatic resignation.... like the good old days.... Purnell, what a lad he was...

Anyway - time for Lord Falconer to once again dust of his template resignation letter in MSword.

Malmesbury · September 2021

UK case summary

Stuartinromford · September 2021

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Scott_xP said:
Boris Johnson slumps NINE points in the polls to draw level with Keir Starmer https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/16256913/boris-johnson-slumps-nine-points-in-the-polls/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=sunpoliticstwitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1632753553
That is the thread header

The interesting thing is that The Sun are going to the trouble of covering an opinion poll in a rival paper.
And not the internals (many of which are still pretty grisly for the opposition) but the figure that's bad for BoJo.
And The Sun, more than any other paper, has never got poor by disagreeing with its target audience.

RochdalePioneers · September 2021

BannedinnParis said:

Stark_Dawning said:
More grim news for Sir Keir. Someone has quit his Shadow Cabinet.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1442523876093829120?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1442523876093829120|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/sep/27/labour-conference-live-keir-starmer-mandelson-leadership-election-rule-change-corbyn?page=with3Ablock-6151ef098f0894e5f8bd8107
1. Who?

2. You can't just point at something and make a Shadow Secretary of State for it.

Who? An absolute clueless tool of a man. What makes me laugh is that his flounce has been done for effect, to try and make Starmer look shit.

In reality the opposite is true. "Mcdonald has quit? Great!"

Malmesbury · September 2021

UK hospitals

Malmesbury · September 2021

UK deaths

Malmesbury · September 2021

UK R

Big_G_NorthWales · September 2021

RedfieldWilton

Boris approval

36% (-1) approve 42% disapprove

-6 (-1)

Starmer

24% (+1) approve 37% (-2) disapprove

-13 (+3)

Rishi

41% (+1) approve 25%(-1) disapprove

+16 (+2)

Malmesbury · September 2021

Age related data

paulyork64 · September 2021

Question just on The Chase. Which of these is a,parliamentary constituency?

Northampton North
East Ham East
Southampton South

I wasnt 100pc sure but got it right.

Scrapheap_as_was · September 2021

Blimey - PB has got very charty since I was last here.

Malmesbury · September 2021

Age related data scaled to 100K

rottenborough · September 2021

Do don't PR says an politics lecturer, as FPTP so advantages Labour, always getting more seats than their vote represents, it would be a disaster to give it up:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/27/proportional-representation-labour-party-lib-dems

Scott_xP · September 2021

Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is the thread header

Nope

rottenborough · September 2021

Scrapheap_as_was said:
Blimey - PB has got very charty since I was last here.

Only around 4 - 5pm when the covid numbers come out.

Welcome back. Been awhile?

OldKingCole · September 2021

What I read Ms Nandy as saying was that not long ago the SDP looked like coming 3rd or even 4th in the German elections. Now they're almost certainly going to lead the Government.

But you'd expect the Tory fan club on here to snipe.

And no, I'm not a Labour member. Or even a regular Labour voter.

RobD · September 2021

Scott_xP said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is the thread header
Nope

It is. The Sun story is about the preferred PM rating, as is the header.

SandyRentool · September 2021

Stuartinromford said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Scott_xP said:
Boris Johnson slumps NINE points in the polls to draw level with Keir Starmer https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/16256913/boris-johnson-slumps-nine-points-in-the-polls/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=sunpoliticstwitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1632753553
That is the thread header
The interesting thing is that The Sun are going to the trouble of covering an opinion poll in a rival paper.
And not the internals (many of which are still pretty grisly for the opposition) but the figure that's bad for BoJo.
And The Sun, more than any other paper, has never got poor by disagreeing with its target audience.

Perhaps they are losing too many readers to the Star with their daily 'Bozo the Clown' front pages?

OldKingCole · September 2021

paulyork64 said:
Question just on The Chase. Which of these is a,parliamentary constituency?

Northampton North
East Ham East
Southampton South

I wasnt 100pc sure but got it right.

Wouldn't Southampton South be the Isle of Wight?

Scott_xP · September 2021

RobD said:
It is. The Sun story is about the preferred PM rating, as is the header.

The header is the PM rating. The post is the Sun reporting it.

Do try and keep up

Philip_Thompson · September 2021

IanB2 said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Sandpit said:

Scott_xP said:
I was told today by the Licensed Taxi Drivers Association that an estimated 25-30% of its members haven’t been able to work today due to fuel shortages.

“We keep being told by the Department for Transport that this isn’t a crisis - but it is a crisis for people who can’t work”
https://twitter.com/HelenAnnSmith0/status/1442518605271158792
If everyone who didn’t *need* petrol today, didn’t try to buy it today, there wouldn’t be a problem.

There is only a ‘crisis’ because the media arsonists are shouting fire in the theatre.
Would you recommend a supine media that is told not to report that there are tanker and lorry driver shortages? Whether we like it or not, it is a story, as is the response of government.
It also underlines that what with Brexit and the pandemic the suggestion of impending shortages has credibility for many people. If the suggestions had no basis and were simply wild rumour or fake news, few would react to them.

Alternatively it underlines the herd mentality that can kick in and how easy it is to generate mass hysteria.

The media could get people panicking about the lack of phalanges if they thought it'd lead to clicks.

https://youtu.be/DrwVB4vMx-Q

isam · September 2021

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Scott_xP said:

RobD said:
It is. The Sun story is about the preferred PM rating, as is the header.
The header is the PM rating. The post is the Sun reporting it.

Do try and keep up

Wow!

Nice one

Big_G_NorthWales · September 2021

RobD said:

Scott_xP said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is the thread header
Nope
It is. The Sun story is about the preferred PM rating, as is the header.

@Scott_P must be in quite a state after the surprising RedfieldWilton poll tonight with Boris with a 6 point lead and -6, with Starmer -13, and Rishi +13

isam · September 2021

Big_G_NorthWales said:

RobD said:

Scott_xP said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is the thread header
Nope
It is. The Sun story is about the preferred PM rating, as is the header.
@Scott_P must be in quite a state after the surprising RedfieldWilton poll tonight with Boris with a 6 point lead and -6, with Starmer -13, and Rishi +13

Boris, the most popular PM since 90s era Blair, walloping Sir Keir, who can claim to be more a popular LotO than IDS, Jez and Michael Foot, on both Gross Positives and Net Satisfaction... again

Stuartinromford · September 2021

isam said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

RobD said:

Scott_xP said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is the thread header
Nope
It is. The Sun story is about the preferred PM rating, as is the header.
@Scott_P must be in quite a state after the surprising RedfieldWilton poll tonight with Boris with a 6 point lead and -6, with Starmer -13, and Rishi +13
Boris, the most popular PM since 90s era Blair, walloping Sir Keir, who can claim to be more a popular LotO than IDS, Jez and Michael Foot, on both Gross Positives and Net Satisfaction... again

And yet, despite all of that, The Soaraway Sun go with a story (which they don't have to cover at all) uncongenial to the PM. Doesn't that intrigue you, even a little bit?

isam · September 2021

Stuartinromford said:

isam said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

RobD said:

Scott_xP said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is the thread header
Nope
It is. The Sun story is about the preferred PM rating, as is the header.
@Scott_P must be in quite a state after the surprising RedfieldWilton poll tonight with Boris with a 6 point lead and -6, with Starmer -13, and Rishi +13
Boris, the most popular PM since 90s era Blair, walloping Sir Keir, who can claim to be more a popular LotO than IDS, Jez and Michael Foot, on both Gross Positives and Net Satisfaction... again
And yet, despite all of that, The Soaraway Sun go with a story (which they don't have to cover at all) uncongenial to the PM. Doesn't that intrigue you, even a little bit?

No, not really.

Stocky · September 2021

Scrapheap_as_was said:
Blimey - PB has got very charty since I was last here.

Good to see you back

Big_G_NorthWales · September 2021

Labour now headlining the news that a shadow cabinet minister has resigned

You could not have had a worse conference if you had tried

geoffw · September 2021

The biggest panicker is HMG, having put in place an otiose visa relaxation which has holed its controlled immigation strategy below the water line and which even in principle could only be effective long after the 'panic' has blown over.

CatMan · September 2021

That last stat ("Meanwhile 45% say they ‘like the Labour Party’ (unchanged) whereas just 36% say they ‘like the Conservative Party’ (down 5 points from March ’21))" is interesting. Suggests to me that there's more natural support for Labour than Tories. It's getting it that's the difficult part.

Oh and for what it's worth, the ASDA petrol station I drove by a few minutes ago (in lovely Swansea) seemed to be operating normally. I was tempted to fill up, but I had 3/4 of a tank so decided to be responsible

Big_G_NorthWales · September 2021

Joint statement by the fuel industry there is plenty of fuel at the refineries and terminals, and we expect demand will return to normal in the coming days

RobD · September 2021

Scott_xP said:

RobD said:
It is. The Sun story is about the preferred PM rating, as is the header.
The header is the PM rating. The post is the Sun reporting it.

Do try and keep up

Yeah, both are reporting the same thing. That was Big_G's point.

algarkirk · September 2021

Latest from the Pyongyang Times aka Grauniad:

"As Boris Johnson loses control, Keir Starmer is starting to get a grip"

Polly Toynbee

RobD · September 2021

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Joint statement by the fuel industry there is plenty of fuel at the refineries and terminals, and we expect demand will return to normal in the coming days

So what they are saying is we should go to the refinery to fill up?

Big_G_NorthWales · September 2021

Highly critical resignation letter by Andy Mcdonald of Starmer according to Sky

rottenborough · September 2021

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Labour now headlining the news that a shadow cabinet minister has resigned

You could not have had a worse conference if you had tried

I am sure Labour could have a far worse conference if they really tried.

turbotubbs · September 2021

rottenborough said:

Alastair McLellan
@HSJEditor
BREAKING: Social distancing rules in hospitals changed so that patients can be cared for 1 metre, rather than 2 metres apart. Will make a BIG difference to the number of beds that can be used (assuming hospitals have the staff of course)

Astonished that they are still at 2m tbh. I know they have a duty of care etc, but that should be balanced by capacity issues too, surely?

RobD · September 2021

geoffw said:
The biggest panicker is HMG, having put in place an otiose visa relaxation which has holed its controlled immigation strategy below the water line and which even in principle could only be effective long after the 'panic' has blown over.

But the number of visas offered is tiny. I thought it was more of a token gesture than anything.

Stark_Dawning · September 2021

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Highly critical resignation letter by Andy Mcdonald of Starmer according to Sky

Yes, it's huge. Mcdonald has effectively attempted to torpedo Sir Keir's very leadership. I can't see Sir Keir recovering from this. This conference was supposed to be his great fightback and the Labour Left has destroyed it.

Philip_Thompson · September 2021

geoffw said:
The biggest panicker is HMG, having put in place an otiose visa relaxation which has holed its controlled immigation strategy below the water line and which even in principle could only be effective long after the 'panic' has blown over.

I'm not sure, I think HMG has played a blinder on that one; I was annoyed at the news there was going to be a relaxation just because 'pay more' should be the solution. But then the details came out of the relaxation and its so meaningless that they've basically done nothing while giving the impression of acting - which is a good thing.

5000 three month only visas is still controlled - and the companies that have gotten away with not paying a decent wage for so long now face no alternative but to offer a decent wage as these visas aren't going to be the solution. But for the people screaming that immigration was needed to solve this - they can 'take the win' of having got a relaxation, even if the win is entirely phyrric.

And now that the word is out that there's over a million qualified HGV drivers in this country . . . and 5000 visa offers . . . there's no excuse anymore not to fix this by offering a fair market rate for drivers, which is what the solution should have always been.

Big_G_NorthWales · September 2021

algarkirk said:
Latest from the Pyongyang Times aka Grauniad:

"As Boris Johnson loses control, Keir Starmer is starting to get a grip"

Polly Toynbee

As a member of his shadow cabinet resigns will big personal attack on his leadership endorsed by John McDonnell

geoffw · September 2021

turbotubbs said:

rottenborough said:

Alastair McLellan
@HSJEditor
BREAKING: Social distancing rules in hospitals changed so that patients can be cared for 1 metre, rather than 2 metres apart. Will make a BIG difference to the number of beds that can be used (assuming hospitals have the staff of course)
Astonished that they are still at 2m tbh. I know they have a duty of care etc, but that should be balanced by capacity issues too, surely?

Management by priorities, not trade-offs. Lexicographic objective function.

geoffw · September 2021

RobD said:

geoffw said:
The biggest panicker is HMG, having put in place an otiose visa relaxation which has holed its controlled immigation strategy below the water line and which even in principle could only be effective long after the 'panic' has blown over.
But the number of visas offered is tiny. I thought it was more of a token gesture than anything.

Otioser and otioser.

Big_G_NorthWales · September 2021

Stark_Dawning said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Highly critical resignation letter by Andy Mcdonald of Starmer according to Sky
Yes, it's huge. Mcdonald has effectively attempted to torpedo Sir Keir's very leadership. I can't see Sir Keir recovering from this. This conference was supposed to be his great fightback and the Labour Left has destroyed it.

It looks tonight like open civil war

eek · September 2021

Philip_Thompson said:

geoffw said:
The biggest panicker is HMG, having put in place an otiose visa relaxation which has holed its controlled immigation strategy below the water line and which even in principle could only be effective long after the 'panic' has blown over.
I'm not sure, I think HMG has played a blinder on that one; I was annoyed at the news there was going to be a relaxation just because 'pay more' should be the solution. But then the details came out of the relaxation and its so meaningless that they've basically done nothing while giving the impression of acting - which is a good thing.

5000 three month only visas is still controlled - and the companies that have gotten away with not paying a decent wage for so long now face no alternative but to offer a decent wage as these visas aren't going to be the solution. But for the people screaming that immigration was needed to solve this - they can 'take the win' of having got a relaxation, even if the win is entirely phyrric.

And now that the word is out that there's over a million qualified HGV drivers in this country . . . and 5000 visa offers . . . there's no excuse anymore not to fix this by offering a fair market rate for drivers, which is what the solution should have always been.

The issue probably isn't a fair market rate for drivers, the issue is making the industry a nice enough place to work that people want to enter / return to the sector.

Pay really won't fix the reasons most people have left it...

Ipsos-MORI: Starmer and BoJo level on who’d make most capable PM – politicalbetting.com

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