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You misunderstand I think. The context was about people having the money for food what with the energy bills and the UC cut.Philip_Thompson said:
Oh really? Who's going short of food already and why?rottenborough said:Bit "crisis, what crisis", from Johnson on that BBC News at 10 report.
"No one will go short of food".
They are already are.
Full shelves today at my Aldi. If people's preferred supermarket can't manage its stock properly, maybe try one that can.
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China has been shutting more coal plants than it's been opening. Not because of CO2 or global warming, but because terrible pollution in Chinese cities is a major problem.BigRich said:
That statement excludes new coal power stations in China itself, which is where most chines built power station are, so not that big.Foxy said:BREAK: Xi Jinping says China will stop building coal plants overseas. This almost completely ends the international finance of coal in a single sentence.
https://twitter.com/KarlMathiesen/status/1440398670713610244?s=19
Possibly the most significant news of the day.0 -
If the polling is still reasonable for Johnson we will have a Spring 2023 election.justin124 said:
Maybe - but a lot of commentators and Tory MPs appear to expect a 2023 election. There is also serious doubt that this time the boundaries will actually confer any benefit on the Tories - a perverse effect of their 2019 red wall success. If so , why wait? Particularly if the economic outlook looks darker further ahead.rcs1000 said:
Which is why the Conservatives will wait until 2024.justin124 said:
New boundaries will not apply in Spring or Summer 2023.rcs1000 said:
There will be no Cities of London & Westminster in 2024 - it's being split between City of London & Islington South, and Westminster & Chelsea East.justin124 said:Even those inclined to vote tactically might be led astray by local factors in certain constituencies in 2019 which will almost certainly not be relevant next time. It will be very surprising if Labour does not regain its position as the main anti-Tory challenger in 2023 /2024 in seats such as Finchley & Golders Green and Cities of London & Westminster.It would make little sense to vote LD there on tactical grounds simply on the basis of the 2019 result there. Even in Wimbledon is the case for doing so is not entirely persuasive - given that Labour held the seat 1997 - 2005 and performed strongly there in 2017.
Likewise, Hampstead (a Labour seat) is gaining Golders Green, but losing Kilburn.
Wimbledon is mostly unchanged, but I think we need to see what happens at the Merton Council elections next year to have a feel for 2024.1 -
Really? Gaps on a few shelves are not people going short of food. The main loss seems to be bottled water. Lucky we’ve got safe drinking water out of the fecking tap then...rottenborough said:Bit "crisis, what crisis", from Johnson on that BBC News at 10 report.
"No one will go short of food".
They are already are.4 -
Trade confederation not great at defence shocker.williamglenn said:Philippines throws support squarely behind Aukus, welcoming Aust's decision to establish security partnership w US, UK and pointing out ASEAN states "singly and collectively, do not possess military wherewithal to maintain peace and security in SE Asia"
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And here is Nine Elms, much more of an open plan:Leon said:
It looks good! Definite echoes of the JLE, which is no bad thingSunil_Prasannan said:
Just uploaded Battersea to Wikimedia:Leon said:
Those JLE stations are probably the best stations on the Underground. Immense and profound. Canary Wharf is mind bogglingSunil_Prasannan said:
Not bad, overall. A bit like scaled down versions of some of the Jubilee Line Extension stations such as North Greenwich and Canary Wharf (1999). Plenty of space at platform level, unlike most Zone 1 stations. Yes, both are in Zone 1, despite Kennington now being in Zone 1 and 2.Leon said:
Opinions?Sunil_Prasannan said:Visited the two new Northern Line stations today, maintaining my 100% record of visiting every train station in London!
So if the new stations have an echo of them, that's good
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=Sunil060902+Battersea+Power+Station+tube&title=Special:MediaSearch&go=Go&type=image
As you can see, I went a little click-crazy with my camera
Nine Elms next...
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I had wondered about that, particular if the add in the 'New Incumbency Bonus' (there's an expression you can use on PB and its understood but use with anybody else and they will look blank back at you)justin124 said:
Maybe - but a lot of commentators and Tory MPs appear to expect a 2023 election. There is also serious doubt that this time the boundaries will actually confer any benefit on the Tories - a perverse effect of their 2019 red wall success. If so , why wait? Particularly if the economic outlook looks darker further ahead.rcs1000 said:
Which is why the Conservatives will wait until 2024.justin124 said:
New boundaries will not apply in Spring or Summer 2023.rcs1000 said:
There will be no Cities of London & Westminster in 2024 - it's being split between City of London & Islington South, and Westminster & Chelsea East.justin124 said:Even those inclined to vote tactically might be led astray by local factors in certain constituencies in 2019 which will almost certainly not be relevant next time. It will be very surprising if Labour does not regain its position as the main anti-Tory challenger in 2023 /2024 in seats such as Finchley & Golders Green and Cities of London & Westminster.It would make little sense to vote LD there on tactical grounds simply on the basis of the 2019 result there. Even in Wimbledon is the case for doing so is not entirely persuasive - given that Labour held the seat 1997 - 2005 and performed strongly there in 2017.
Likewise, Hampstead (a Labour seat) is gaining Golders Green, but losing Kilburn.
Wimbledon is mostly unchanged, but I think we need to see what happens at the Merton Council elections next year to have a feel for 2024.0 -
I understand 43 new coal fired stations inside China are plannedBigRich said:
That statement excludes new coal power stations in China itself, which is where most chines built power station are, so not that big.Foxy said:BREAK: Xi Jinping says China will stop building coal plants overseas. This almost completely ends the international finance of coal in a single sentence.
https://twitter.com/KarlMathiesen/status/1440398670713610244?s=19
Possibly the most significant news of the day.0 -
Very unlikely IMO. Autumn 2023 maybe.rottenborough said:
If the polling is still reasonable for Johnson we will have a Spring 2023 election.justin124 said:
Maybe - but a lot of commentators and Tory MPs appear to expect a 2023 election. There is also serious doubt that this time the boundaries will actually confer any benefit on the Tories - a perverse effect of their 2019 red wall success. If so , why wait? Particularly if the economic outlook looks darker further ahead.rcs1000 said:
Which is why the Conservatives will wait until 2024.justin124 said:
New boundaries will not apply in Spring or Summer 2023.rcs1000 said:
There will be no Cities of London & Westminster in 2024 - it's being split between City of London & Islington South, and Westminster & Chelsea East.justin124 said:Even those inclined to vote tactically might be led astray by local factors in certain constituencies in 2019 which will almost certainly not be relevant next time. It will be very surprising if Labour does not regain its position as the main anti-Tory challenger in 2023 /2024 in seats such as Finchley & Golders Green and Cities of London & Westminster.It would make little sense to vote LD there on tactical grounds simply on the basis of the 2019 result there. Even in Wimbledon is the case for doing so is not entirely persuasive - given that Labour held the seat 1997 - 2005 and performed strongly there in 2017.
Likewise, Hampstead (a Labour seat) is gaining Golders Green, but losing Kilburn.
Wimbledon is mostly unchanged, but I think we need to see what happens at the Merton Council elections next year to have a feel for 2024.1 -
Peston is being dim, or stirring.Scott_xP said:Government has agreed to subsidise CO2 production by CF Fertilisers for just THREE WEEKS. What on earth happens after that? https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1440417969142579201/photo/1
Based on past experience, wind power will have significantly recovered going into the autumn. The deep dip at this point is unusual.
Also, the projections for repair of the interconnector were "mid October". Though that is perhaps some capacity restored by October, and full repair over a longer period. National Grid said 1000MW is due to come back on by Sept 25, and the other 1000MW by March,
The Frenchies will be keen for repair, as 1 Gw of lost capacity is £10 million per week. Ish. At a wholesale price of £70 per MWh.
The two together will be worth about 5-7% capacity in the elec market if wind returns to it's autumn average. So electricity prices may have stabilised by then.
Plus I guess Vladimir may have stopped throttling the gas supply.
How that feeds through to fertiliser and CO2 depends on what balance of elec and gas are used in the process.
They will take a check and extend it if they need to.3 -
It will be interesting to see what the government does do and how it reacts.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Perfect pair together @Scott_P and Pestonturbotubbs said:
See what happens and if needed go again. Honestly it’s not hard...Scott_xP said:Government has agreed to subsidise CO2 production by CF Fertilisers for just THREE WEEKS. What on earth happens after that? https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1440417969142579201/photo/1
Any action taken to stop food manufacture depending on two factories puts all “crisis what crisis” and “it’s no big deal” and other pro government spin into perspective.0 -
You may want to inform the EU leadership in that case.rcs1000 said:
Trade confederation not great at defence shocker.williamglenn said:Philippines throws support squarely behind Aukus, welcoming Aust's decision to establish security partnership w US, UK and pointing out ASEAN states "singly and collectively, do not possess military wherewithal to maintain peace and security in SE Asia"
https://twitter.com/hodgeamanda/status/1440149781590917126
Though I figure the Philippines were referring to the collective military strength of the nations with I that bloc.1 -
It seems strange too that the reported stock problems seem to be concentrated in Waitrose especially.turbotubbs said:
Really? Gaps on a few shelves are not people going short of food. The main loss seems to be bottled water. Lucky we’ve got safe drinking water out of the fecking tap then...rottenborough said:Bit "crisis, what crisis", from Johnson on that BBC News at 10 report.
"No one will go short of food".
They are already are.
Is that because they're awful at stock management? Or because their customers are whiny people on Twitter who'll complain if their brand of bottled water is missing from the shelves?1 -
Summer or Autumn 2023 allows it to still be 2023, while also allowing the new constituencies.rottenborough said:
If the polling is still reasonable for Johnson we will have a Spring 2023 election.justin124 said:
Maybe - but a lot of commentators and Tory MPs appear to expect a 2023 election. There is also serious doubt that this time the boundaries will actually confer any benefit on the Tories - a perverse effect of their 2019 red wall success. If so , why wait? Particularly if the economic outlook looks darker further ahead.rcs1000 said:
Which is why the Conservatives will wait until 2024.justin124 said:
New boundaries will not apply in Spring or Summer 2023.rcs1000 said:
There will be no Cities of London & Westminster in 2024 - it's being split between City of London & Islington South, and Westminster & Chelsea East.justin124 said:Even those inclined to vote tactically might be led astray by local factors in certain constituencies in 2019 which will almost certainly not be relevant next time. It will be very surprising if Labour does not regain its position as the main anti-Tory challenger in 2023 /2024 in seats such as Finchley & Golders Green and Cities of London & Westminster.It would make little sense to vote LD there on tactical grounds simply on the basis of the 2019 result there. Even in Wimbledon is the case for doing so is not entirely persuasive - given that Labour held the seat 1997 - 2005 and performed strongly there in 2017.
Likewise, Hampstead (a Labour seat) is gaining Golders Green, but losing Kilburn.
Wimbledon is mostly unchanged, but I think we need to see what happens at the Merton Council elections next year to have a feel for 2024.1 -
You mean Thatcherite.theProle said:
The present difficulty for those of us who usually vote Tory is finding any party to vote for with broadly conservative policies.Northern_Al said:I get the strong impression that some of our frequent Conservative posters who are totally disillusioned with the current government would indeed be willing to vote either Labour or Lib Dem.
But only if Labour and Lib Dems change all their policies and adopt policies that are associated with the Conservatives (such as anti-wokeness, low tax, anti-EU, pro-rampant capitalism etc. etc.).
I see a problem with that.
This is a conservative government in the 45-79 tradition.1 -
My Lidl had few items left in the freezer cabinets.Philip_Thompson said:
It seems strange too that the reported stock problems seem to be concentrated in Waitrose especially.turbotubbs said:
Really? Gaps on a few shelves are not people going short of food. The main loss seems to be bottled water. Lucky we’ve got safe drinking water out of the fecking tap then...rottenborough said:Bit "crisis, what crisis", from Johnson on that BBC News at 10 report.
"No one will go short of food".
They are already are.
Is that because they're awful at stock management? Or because their customers are whiny people on Twitter who'll complain if their brand of bottled water is missing from the shelves?
Clearly a temporary problem now as the CO2 will soon be flowing again thanks to the fertilizer people.0 -
I haven't seen either missing in my shop. I wonder what it is about your shop that made it so much worse at its stock management?Farooq said:
Look, I don't want to get into this too much because there are alternatives. But every time I've been to a supermarket lately there have been noticeable gaps. One shop I wanted ingredients for a stew, beef or lamb, didn't mind which. Whole shop was out of BOTH, fresh and frozen.turbotubbs said:
Really? Gaps on a few shelves are not people going short of food. The main loss seems to be bottled water. Lucky we’ve got safe drinking water out of the fecking tap then...rottenborough said:Bit "crisis, what crisis", from Johnson on that BBC News at 10 report.
"No one will go short of food".
They are already are.
Not the end of the world since I was able to get chicken, so that's why I've not pitched in to moan about this before, but you have to get over the idea that it's just bottled water.
Which brand was it, out of curiosity?0 -
I thought they were mostly shutting small and old ones that are now surrounded by urban areas and replacing them with bigger more efficient ones a bit further away. but I have to admit I am no expert so maybe notrcs1000 said:
China has been shutting more coal plants than it's been opening. Not because of CO2 or global warming, but because terrible pollution in Chinese cities is a major problem.BigRich said:
That statement excludes new coal power stations in China itself, which is where most chines built power station are, so not that big.Foxy said:BREAK: Xi Jinping says China will stop building coal plants overseas. This almost completely ends the international finance of coal in a single sentence.
https://twitter.com/KarlMathiesen/status/1440398670713610244?s=19
Possibly the most significant news of the day.0 -
I have no idea why you thought he wasFarooq said:
I... don't really care where Starmer is.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not me on that tweet and your answer about me is just silly and does not help find StarmerFarooq said:
Because you've been spending 23.5 hours a day locked in the bathroom with What Sub? magazine.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More to the point where is hejustin124 said:
It rather confirms my fear that Starmer lacks a political brain.rottenborough said:
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Government: faces sea of troubles, could be looking at a winter of crises.
Labour: we'll just have a fight amongst ourselves over here then. Face with rolling eyesGrimacing faceConfounded face
I have not seen or heard from him for quite some time
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1440343918718054404?s=19
All we know is he's not in your bathroom.
He is HM leader of the official opposition and with everything that is going on he is absent without leave0 -
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I didn’t say it’s just bottled water. I replied to a post about people going without food. No evidence of that. I’ve not really seen much impact in the bid supermarket I use, but our campus coop was a bit low at times last week. But people going without food? No.Farooq said:
Look, I don't want to get into this too much because there are alternatives. But every time I've been to a supermarket lately there have been noticeable gaps. One shop I wanted ingredients for a stew, beef or lamb, didn't mind which. Whole shop was out of BOTH, fresh and frozen.turbotubbs said:
Really? Gaps on a few shelves are not people going short of food. The main loss seems to be bottled water. Lucky we’ve got safe drinking water out of the fecking tap then...rottenborough said:Bit "crisis, what crisis", from Johnson on that BBC News at 10 report.
"No one will go short of food".
They are already are.
Not the end of the world since I was able to get chicken, so that's why I've not pitched in to moan about this before, but you have to get over the idea that it's just bottled water.1 -
Yes, but the Chinese are net closers of coal fired plants. Basically, smaller, older, and less efficient plants are being closed down. The consequence of which is that China is (improbably enough) about to become a coal exporter.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I understand 43 new coal fired stations inside China are plannedBigRich said:
That statement excludes new coal power stations in China itself, which is where most chines built power station are, so not that big.Foxy said:BREAK: Xi Jinping says China will stop building coal plants overseas. This almost completely ends the international finance of coal in a single sentence.
https://twitter.com/KarlMathiesen/status/1440398670713610244?s=19
Possibly the most significant news of the day.0 -
You have already trashed your own post previously Phil by posting the importance of CO2 in food supply, 4 day life to transport display and sell without it - you say things are stacked today, rather meaninglessly because it’s widely accepted the stocks are too low to cope in coming weeks.Philip_Thompson said:
Oh really? Who's going short of food already and why?rottenborough said:Bit "crisis, what crisis", from Johnson on that BBC News at 10 report.
"No one will go short of food".
They are already are.
Full shelves today at my Aldi. If people's preferred supermarket can't manage its stock properly, maybe try one that can.
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I wanted to avoid any crowds, so I went today. Not too many people at all, at midday-ish. I took the bus from Gants Hill to Ilford, then TfL Rail from Ilford to Liverpool Street, walked to Moorgate to get the Northern Line, then changed at Kennington for Battersea. Went to Battersea first, then stopped at Nine Elms on the return leg before continuing back to Kennington and Moorgate. Was my first trip on the underground sections of the deep level tube since February last year! Also the new branch was my first new bit of railway territory I traversed since Aberdeen to Inverness on 6th March last year!Andy_JS said:
Nice photos. I decided to be a one-off train spotter and was on the first train yesterday morning at 5:28am along with the likes of Simon Calder and Geoff Marshall. Amazingly about 150 people turned up outside the station at about 5am before it had even been opened. I wasn't expecting more than about 20 or 30 people. Nearly everyone did the same thing, which was to go from Battersea to Kennington, back to Battersea, and then to Nine Elms to have a look at the station.Sunil_Prasannan said:Visited the two new Northern Line stations today, maintaining my 100% record of visiting every train station in London!
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Wow that's a really mental step from France. Will they be handing over the nuclear codes to Brussels as well?!rottenborough said:
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Oh, they have been opening new coal (larger, more efficient) coal fired plants. But overall coal consumption in China peaked in 2019 at about 82 exojoules, and will probably be a smidgen under 80 this year.BigRich said:
I thought they were mostly shutting small and old ones that are now surrounded by urban areas and replacing them with bigger more efficient ones a bit further away. but I have to admit I am no expert so maybe notrcs1000 said:
China has been shutting more coal plants than it's been opening. Not because of CO2 or global warming, but because terrible pollution in Chinese cities is a major problem.BigRich said:
That statement excludes new coal power stations in China itself, which is where most chines built power station are, so not that big.Foxy said:BREAK: Xi Jinping says China will stop building coal plants overseas. This almost completely ends the international finance of coal in a single sentence.
https://twitter.com/KarlMathiesen/status/1440398670713610244?s=19
Possibly the most significant news of the day.0 -
There's a four page interview with him in last week's NewStatesman, so he's not being doing nothing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have no idea why you thought he wasFarooq said:
I... don't really care where Starmer is.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not me on that tweet and your answer about me is just silly and does not help find StarmerFarooq said:
Because you've been spending 23.5 hours a day locked in the bathroom with What Sub? magazine.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More to the point where is hejustin124 said:
It rather confirms my fear that Starmer lacks a political brain.rottenborough said:
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Labour: we'll just have a fight amongst ourselves over here then. Face with rolling eyesGrimacing faceConfounded face
I have not seen or heard from him for quite some time
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1440343918718054404?s=19
All we know is he's not in your bathroom.
He is HM leader of the official opposition and with everything that is going on he is absent without leave
Apparently the leaders speech will be "surprisingly bold".
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I don't believe that at all but its a massive, massive step if that is done.rottenborough said:
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And its something that could only have been facilitated post-Brexit. The idea of Britain giving up its seat to the EU was unthinkable, and the idea of two seats going to one was also pretty unthinkable. But one going up to its next federal level - that just makes sense.1 -
In my Co-op tonight some sandwich cabinets were completely empty.rottenborough said:
My Lidl had few items left in the freezer cabinets.Philip_Thompson said:
It seems strange too that the reported stock problems seem to be concentrated in Waitrose especially.turbotubbs said:
Really? Gaps on a few shelves are not people going short of food. The main loss seems to be bottled water. Lucky we’ve got safe drinking water out of the fecking tap then...rottenborough said:Bit "crisis, what crisis", from Johnson on that BBC News at 10 report.
"No one will go short of food".
They are already are.
Is that because they're awful at stock management? Or because their customers are whiny people on Twitter who'll complain if their brand of bottled water is missing from the shelves?
Clearly a temporary problem now as the CO2 will soon be flowing again thanks to the fertilizer people.
They had taken the expiring sandwiches to the foodbank. Just like every day.
(Not having a go at you; just pissed off with all the photos of empty shelves before stocking time, and FBPE twats trying to pretend it is therefore the Euro-apocalypse.)3 -
It's like a jilted partner's desperate and doomed attempts attempts to keep a relationship alive.MaxPB said:
Wow that's a really mental step from France. Will they be handing over the nuclear codes to Brussels as well?!rottenborough said:
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I'll bet he was one of those kids whose parents were always having to tell them to keep still and stop demanding everybody's attention.rottenborough said:
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Talking to the New Statesman will win Labour precisely zero new voters. Blair would have got his interview with The Times or Telegraph.rottenborough said:
There's a four page interview with him in last week's NewStatesman, so he's not being doing nothing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have no idea why you thought he wasFarooq said:
I... don't really care where Starmer is.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not me on that tweet and your answer about me is just silly and does not help find StarmerFarooq said:
Because you've been spending 23.5 hours a day locked in the bathroom with What Sub? magazine.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More to the point where is hejustin124 said:
It rather confirms my fear that Starmer lacks a political brain.rottenborough said:
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Government: faces sea of troubles, could be looking at a winter of crises.
Labour: we'll just have a fight amongst ourselves over here then. Face with rolling eyesGrimacing faceConfounded face
I have not seen or heard from him for quite some time
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1440343918718054404?s=19
All we know is he's not in your bathroom.
He is HM leader of the official opposition and with everything that is going on he is absent without leave
Apparently the leaders speech will be "surprisingly bold".2 -
Do you have a butchers? Ours is superb. Used to have two, now down to one, and really hoping it keeps going. Also have a greengrocer most days. Both seem to have no stock issues.Farooq said:
Both Tesco and Asda, those are the only two supermarkets I've got near me. The lamb & beef was Tesco.Philip_Thompson said:
I haven't seen either missing in my shop. I wonder what it is about your shop that made it so much worse at its stock management?Farooq said:
Look, I don't want to get into this too much because there are alternatives. But every time I've been to a supermarket lately there have been noticeable gaps. One shop I wanted ingredients for a stew, beef or lamb, didn't mind which. Whole shop was out of BOTH, fresh and frozen.turbotubbs said:
Really? Gaps on a few shelves are not people going short of food. The main loss seems to be bottled water. Lucky we’ve got safe drinking water out of the fecking tap then...rottenborough said:Bit "crisis, what crisis", from Johnson on that BBC News at 10 report.
"No one will go short of food".
They are already are.
Not the end of the world since I was able to get chicken, so that's why I've not pitched in to moan about this before, but you have to get over the idea that it's just bottled water.
Which brand was it, out of curiosity?0 -
China has cancelled a lot of domestic projects too.BigRich said:
That statement excludes new coal power stations in China itself, which is where most chines built power station are, so not that big.Foxy said:BREAK: Xi Jinping says China will stop building coal plants overseas. This almost completely ends the international finance of coal in a single sentence.
https://twitter.com/KarlMathiesen/status/1440398670713610244?s=19
Possibly the most significant news of the day.
"China is a constituent bloc in its own right. However, even with its continued pursuit of coal, its pipeline is now 74% smaller, including 484GW of planned capacity that has been cancelled since Paris – more than double the amount that went into operation over that period (198GW)."
https://www.carbonbrief.org/guest-post-how-worlds-coal-power-pipeline-has-shrunk-by-three-quarters
Still a long way to go, but Xi, for all his many faults, seems to get climate change.0 -
Telegraph, so unlikely to be remotely true.rottenborough said:
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Feels more like Bender building his own casino with hookers and blackjack tbh.rcs1000 said:
It's like a jilted partner's desperate and doomed attempts attempts to keep a relationship alive.MaxPB said:
Wow that's a really mental step from France. Will they be handing over the nuclear codes to Brussels as well?!rottenborough said:
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I wonder if he's considered whether they might say yes.rottenborough said:
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"I'll shoot myself !!!!!"
"Go on then."0 -
I have been unable to get tinned Pilchards in tomato sauce. The government has lost my vote.turbotubbs said:
I didn’t say it’s just bottled water. I replied to a post about people going without food. No evidence of that. I’ve not really seen much impact in the bid supermarket I use, but our campus coop was a bit low at times last week. But people going without food? No.Farooq said:
Look, I don't want to get into this too much because there are alternatives. But every time I've been to a supermarket lately there have been noticeable gaps. One shop I wanted ingredients for a stew, beef or lamb, didn't mind which. Whole shop was out of BOTH, fresh and frozen.turbotubbs said:
Really? Gaps on a few shelves are not people going short of food. The main loss seems to be bottled water. Lucky we’ve got safe drinking water out of the fecking tap then...rottenborough said:Bit "crisis, what crisis", from Johnson on that BBC News at 10 report.
"No one will go short of food".
They are already are.
Not the end of the world since I was able to get chicken, so that's why I've not pitched in to moan about this before, but you have to get over the idea that it's just bottled water.1 -
I wonder if Macron's plan is to get the UK kicked out in favour of India.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't believe that at all but its a massive, massive step if that is done.rottenborough said:
Allie Hodgkins-Brown
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Definitely trying to lose the presidential race next year me thinks
And its something that could only have been facilitated post-Brexit. The idea of Britain giving up its seat to the EU was unthinkable, and the idea of two seats going to one was also pretty unthinkable. But one going up to its next federal level - that just makes sense.0 -
I don't do a lot of shopping (Mrs BigRich wont let me as I get the wrong things) but a few times I've asked her if there are any gaps on shelves or things not in stock, and she looks at me as if I'm an idiot, saying that everything is normal. (that's Sainsburys if anybody is tabulating) I also dropped it in to conversation at work and got a similar response.Farooq said:
Look, I don't want to get into this too much because there are alternatives. But every time I've been to a supermarket lately there have been noticeable gaps. One shop I wanted ingredients for a stew, beef or lamb, didn't mind which. Whole shop was out of BOTH, fresh and frozen.turbotubbs said:
Really? Gaps on a few shelves are not people going short of food. The main loss seems to be bottled water. Lucky we’ve got safe drinking water out of the fecking tap then...rottenborough said:Bit "crisis, what crisis", from Johnson on that BBC News at 10 report.
"No one will go short of food".
They are already are.
Not the end of the world since I was able to get chicken, so that's why I've not pitched in to moan about this before, but you have to get over the idea that it's just bottled water.
I'm not saying that there are no gaps, there will always be some gaps, somewhere, there may well be slightly more at the moment. I have no way of assessing that. but, but I suspect there is a big dollop of confirmation bias here, i.e. politically aware people see gaps on shelves trending on twitter, then walk passed a shelf and decide that's all the confederation they need. where as pre pandemic, it would not have even registered, or just been dismissed as a one off. I'm not ruling out that there are a few more gaps than normal, or that things may get worse, but until I here at least one person who is not a political junky talk about it I don't think its serious.1 -
Thank you to all who have offered good wishes to.my mother. I am very grateful.5
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Specify.rottenborough said:Bit "crisis, what crisis", from Johnson on that BBC News at 10 report.
"No one will go short of food".
They are already are.0 -
It's pre-conference stuff for the faithful.MaxPB said:
Talking to the New Statesman will win Labour precisely zero new voters. Blair would have got his interview with The Times or Telegraph.rottenborough said:
There's a four page interview with him in last week's NewStatesman, so he's not being doing nothing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have no idea why you thought he wasFarooq said:
I... don't really care where Starmer is.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not me on that tweet and your answer about me is just silly and does not help find StarmerFarooq said:
Because you've been spending 23.5 hours a day locked in the bathroom with What Sub? magazine.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More to the point where is hejustin124 said:
It rather confirms my fear that Starmer lacks a political brain.rottenborough said:
Glen O'Hara
@gsoh31
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12h
Government: faces sea of troubles, could be looking at a winter of crises.
Labour: we'll just have a fight amongst ourselves over here then. Face with rolling eyesGrimacing faceConfounded face
I have not seen or heard from him for quite some time
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1440343918718054404?s=19
All we know is he's not in your bathroom.
He is HM leader of the official opposition and with everything that is going on he is absent without leave
Apparently the leaders speech will be "surprisingly bold".
I am assuming the big media interviews will come when Labour conference kicks off in a couple of days or so.0 -
How could that ever happen? We have a veto on being ejected. It's why the 5 permanent members are permanent. I'm actually not sure is there's a mechanism to give the French one to the EU. All 5 members have to vote the EU into it and then all 6 then need to vote France out, and the EU isn't a recognised sovereign state so can it even hold a SC seat? What they're really saying is that they'll keep the seat but allow some EU input into votes.williamglenn said:
I wonder if Macron's plan is to get the UK kicked out in favour of India.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't believe that at all but its a massive, massive step if that is done.rottenborough said:
Allie Hodgkins-Brown
@AllieHBNews
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Definitely trying to lose the presidential race next year me thinks
And its something that could only have been facilitated post-Brexit. The idea of Britain giving up its seat to the EU was unthinkable, and the idea of two seats going to one was also pretty unthinkable. But one going up to its next federal level - that just makes sense.0 -
Not going to happen would be my strong guess.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't believe that at all but its a massive, massive step if that is done.rottenborough said:
Allie Hodgkins-Brown
@AllieHBNews
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Definitely trying to lose the presidential race next year me thinks
And its something that could only have been facilitated post-Brexit. The idea of Britain giving up its seat to the EU was unthinkable, and the idea of two seats going to one was also pretty unthinkable. But one going up to its next federal level - that just makes sense.1 -
How will the idea of an EU army play with the German Greens who are very likely to enter government in a matter of days? I guess they're not big fans.rottenborough said:
Allie Hodgkins-Brown
@AllieHBNews
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Definitely trying to lose the presidential race next year me thinks0 -
You could just, check on the internet...Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have no idea why you thought he wasFarooq said:
I... don't really care where Starmer is.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not me on that tweet and your answer about me is just silly and does not help find StarmerFarooq said:
Because you've been spending 23.5 hours a day locked in the bathroom with What Sub? magazine.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More to the point where is hejustin124 said:
It rather confirms my fear that Starmer lacks a political brain.rottenborough said:
Glen O'Hara
@gsoh31
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12h
Government: faces sea of troubles, could be looking at a winter of crises.
Labour: we'll just have a fight amongst ourselves over here then. Face with rolling eyesGrimacing faceConfounded face
I have not seen or heard from him for quite some time
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1440343918718054404?s=19
All we know is he's not in your bathroom.
He is HM leader of the official opposition and with everything that is going on he is absent without leave
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1439953221078994950?s=20
You are a splendid chap, BigG. But there are times when your curtain-twitching and stirring are really tedious.1 -
Yes, but that would allow him to pose as a reformer and champion of the countries who think they should be permanent members now.MaxPB said:
How could that ever happen? We have a veto on being ejected. It's why the 5 permanent members are permanent. I'm actually not sure is there's a mechanism to give the French one to the EU. All 5 members have to vote the EU into it and then all 6 then need to vote France out, and the EU isn't a recognised sovereign state so can it even hold a SC seat? What they're really saying is that they'll keep the seat but allow some EU input into votes.williamglenn said:
I wonder if Macron's plan is to get the UK kicked out in favour of India.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't believe that at all but its a massive, massive step if that is done.rottenborough said:
Allie Hodgkins-Brown
@AllieHBNews
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Definitely trying to lose the presidential race next year me thinks
And its something that could only have been facilitated post-Brexit. The idea of Britain giving up its seat to the EU was unthinkable, and the idea of two seats going to one was also pretty unthinkable. But one going up to its next federal level - that just makes sense.0 -
Your poor cat.gealbhan said:
I have been unable to get tinned Pilchards in tomato sauce. The government has lost my vote.turbotubbs said:
I didn’t say it’s just bottled water. I replied to a post about people going without food. No evidence of that. I’ve not really seen much impact in the bid supermarket I use, but our campus coop was a bit low at times last week. But people going without food? No.Farooq said:
Look, I don't want to get into this too much because there are alternatives. But every time I've been to a supermarket lately there have been noticeable gaps. One shop I wanted ingredients for a stew, beef or lamb, didn't mind which. Whole shop was out of BOTH, fresh and frozen.turbotubbs said:
Really? Gaps on a few shelves are not people going short of food. The main loss seems to be bottled water. Lucky we’ve got safe drinking water out of the fecking tap then...rottenborough said:Bit "crisis, what crisis", from Johnson on that BBC News at 10 report.
"No one will go short of food".
They are already are.
Not the end of the world since I was able to get chicken, so that's why I've not pitched in to moan about this before, but you have to get over the idea that it's just bottled water.0 -
Let's hope. Sure he needs to get non-Labour people interested. An interview with The Sun telling people he's going to stab Jez love on stage would generate a fair bit of interest, I'd wager.rottenborough said:
It's pre-conference stuff for the faithful.MaxPB said:
Talking to the New Statesman will win Labour precisely zero new voters. Blair would have got his interview with The Times or Telegraph.rottenborough said:
There's a four page interview with him in last week's NewStatesman, so he's not being doing nothing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have no idea why you thought he wasFarooq said:
I... don't really care where Starmer is.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not me on that tweet and your answer about me is just silly and does not help find StarmerFarooq said:
Because you've been spending 23.5 hours a day locked in the bathroom with What Sub? magazine.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More to the point where is hejustin124 said:
It rather confirms my fear that Starmer lacks a political brain.rottenborough said:
Glen O'Hara
@gsoh31
·
12h
Government: faces sea of troubles, could be looking at a winter of crises.
Labour: we'll just have a fight amongst ourselves over here then. Face with rolling eyesGrimacing faceConfounded face
I have not seen or heard from him for quite some time
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1440343918718054404?s=19
All we know is he's not in your bathroom.
He is HM leader of the official opposition and with everything that is going on he is absent without leave
Apparently the leaders speech will be "surprisingly bold".
I am assuming the big media interviews will come when Labour conference kicks off in a couple of days or so.0 -
Absolutely agreed - but I have to say I don't think its a bad idea if there were to be an EU army this is entirely logical. To be honest its time to say 'crap or get off the pan'.rottenborough said:
Not going to happen would be my strong guess.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't believe that at all but its a massive, massive step if that is done.rottenborough said:
Allie Hodgkins-Brown
@AllieHBNews
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Definitely trying to lose the presidential race next year me thinks
And its something that could only have been facilitated post-Brexit. The idea of Britain giving up its seat to the EU was unthinkable, and the idea of two seats going to one was also pretty unthinkable. But one going up to its next federal level - that just makes sense.
If there's to be an EU army then all nations of the EU should decide to they want to be in a country called Europe and if so then get on with it. If they don't, they should invoke Article 50 themselves. Sort it out and get on with it.0 -
Also the Americans wouldn't want it.MaxPB said:
How could that ever happen? We have a veto on being ejected. It's why the 5 permanent members are permanent. I'm actually not sure is there's a mechanism to give the French one to the EU. All 5 members have to vote the EU into it and then all 6 then need to vote France out, and the EU isn't a recognised sovereign state so can it even hold a SC seat? What they're really saying is that they'll keep the seat but allow some EU input into votes.williamglenn said:
I wonder if Macron's plan is to get the UK kicked out in favour of India.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't believe that at all but its a massive, massive step if that is done.rottenborough said:
Allie Hodgkins-Brown
@AllieHBNews
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1m
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Definitely trying to lose the presidential race next year me thinks
And its something that could only have been facilitated post-Brexit. The idea of Britain giving up its seat to the EU was unthinkable, and the idea of two seats going to one was also pretty unthinkable. But one going up to its next federal level - that just makes sense.
And I'm sure that even the French would eventually realise that kicking us out, while leaving Russia and China in, wouldn't be in their interests, however annoyed they are with us at the moment..2 -
There’s three constituencies in the Labour Party marriage. MPs need a Parliamentary leader. That effectively is what the Role of Labour Party leader is. Allowing members a say is only okay in a college system, otherwise there is too much risk the leader is not backed by enough of the PLP. Electing the wrong brother was not a f up, because it’s absolutely right they have a college vote as the financiers of the party. Miliband should never have tampered with it. Look how many MPs the party has today because of it.rottenborough said:
Strikes me Labour might be better with the Tory system of MPs picking two leader candidates to go through to the membership vote.gealbhan said:
What Starmer is doing repealing Miilbands failed madness is absolutely right - though hardly a Clause 4 moment.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More to the point where is hejustin124 said:
It rather confirms my fear that Starmer lacks a political brain.rottenborough said:
Glen O'Hara
@gsoh31
·
12h
Government: faces sea of troubles, could be looking at a winter of crises.
Labour: we'll just have a fight amongst ourselves over here then. Face with rolling eyesGrimacing faceConfounded face
I have not seen or heard from him for quite some time
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1440343918718054404?s=19
Tough on Corbyn, tough on the causes of Corbyn. You say you don’t support that? What are you, Toby Young?
Then again the clause 4 moment wasn’t a clause 4 moment either, completely manufactured and bigged up piece of substance lacking trash.
Pulling the unions back into the leadership race takes them back to exactly the f*ck up that elected the wrong brother.
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But surely the first question is "why are you asking for the UK to give us their seat when you can give is your seat?" from any nation with whom they try that idea. Nah, this is more likely to try and get German support for the fabled EU army.williamglenn said:
Yes, but that would allow him to pose as a reformer and champion of the countries who think they should be permanent members now.MaxPB said:
How could that ever happen? We have a veto on being ejected. It's why the 5 permanent members are permanent. I'm actually not sure is there's a mechanism to give the French one to the EU. All 5 members have to vote the EU into it and then all 6 then need to vote France out, and the EU isn't a recognised sovereign state so can it even hold a SC seat? What they're really saying is that they'll keep the seat but allow some EU input into votes.williamglenn said:
I wonder if Macron's plan is to get the UK kicked out in favour of India.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't believe that at all but its a massive, massive step if that is done.rottenborough said:
Allie Hodgkins-Brown
@AllieHBNews
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1m
Wednesday’s Daily TELEGRAPH: “Macron may offer up UN seat in push for EU army” #TomorrowsPapersToday
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Definitely trying to lose the presidential race next year me thinks
And its something that could only have been facilitated post-Brexit. The idea of Britain giving up its seat to the EU was unthinkable, and the idea of two seats going to one was also pretty unthinkable. But one going up to its next federal level - that just makes sense.1 -
Corbyn didn't happen because of the system in place. He happened because MPs ignored their concerns to let him run, making a mockery of the point of the system.gealbhan said:
There’s three constituencies in the Labour Party marriage. MPs need a Parliamentary leader. That effectively is what the Role of Labour Party leader is. Allowing members a say is only okay in a college system, otherwise there is too much risk the leader is not backed by enough of the PLP. Electing the wrong brother was not a f up, because it’s absolutely right they have a college vote as the financiers of the party. Miliband should never have tampered with it. Look how many MPs the party has today because of it.rottenborough said:
Strikes me Labour might be better with the Tory system of MPs picking two leader candidates to go through to the membership vote.gealbhan said:
What Starmer is doing repealing Miilbands failed madness is absolutely right - though hardly a Clause 4 moment.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More to the point where is hejustin124 said:
It rather confirms my fear that Starmer lacks a political brain.rottenborough said:
Glen O'Hara
@gsoh31
·
12h
Government: faces sea of troubles, could be looking at a winter of crises.
Labour: we'll just have a fight amongst ourselves over here then. Face with rolling eyesGrimacing faceConfounded face
I have not seen or heard from him for quite some time
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1440343918718054404?s=19
Tough on Corbyn, tough on the causes of Corbyn. You say you don’t support that? What are you, Toby Young?
Then again the clause 4 moment wasn’t a clause 4 moment either, completely manufactured and bigged up piece of substance lacking trash.
Pulling the unions back into the leadership race takes them back to exactly the f*ck up that elected the wrong brother.0 -
Our butchers meat is excellent and locally sourced. Vastly better than our Waitrose.Farooq said:
No, I live in a pretty small place, just a pub and newsagent. Probably a butchers somewhere in one of the bigger towns but I haven't looked for one. Probably worth checking out what's about, good idea.turbotubbs said:
Do you have a butchers? Ours is superb. Used to have two, now down to one, and really hoping it keeps going. Also have a greengrocer most days. Both seem to have no stock issues.Farooq said:
Both Tesco and Asda, those are the only two supermarkets I've got near me. The lamb & beef was Tesco.Philip_Thompson said:
I haven't seen either missing in my shop. I wonder what it is about your shop that made it so much worse at its stock management?Farooq said:
Look, I don't want to get into this too much because there are alternatives. But every time I've been to a supermarket lately there have been noticeable gaps. One shop I wanted ingredients for a stew, beef or lamb, didn't mind which. Whole shop was out of BOTH, fresh and frozen.turbotubbs said:
Really? Gaps on a few shelves are not people going short of food. The main loss seems to be bottled water. Lucky we’ve got safe drinking water out of the fecking tap then...rottenborough said:Bit "crisis, what crisis", from Johnson on that BBC News at 10 report.
"No one will go short of food".
They are already are.
Not the end of the world since I was able to get chicken, so that's why I've not pitched in to moan about this before, but you have to get over the idea that it's just bottled water.
Which brand was it, out of curiosity?1 -
Starmer needs to use the coming mics, camera’s and stage to do the most important thing he can do this autumn - address his disastrous Lexit problem by talking directly to this particular group and winning them back from Boris.MaxPB said:
Let's hope. Sure he needs to get non-Labour people interested. An interview with The Sun telling people he's going to stab Jez love on stage would generate a fair bit of interest, I'd wager.rottenborough said:
It's pre-conference stuff for the faithful.MaxPB said:
Talking to the New Statesman will win Labour precisely zero new voters. Blair would have got his interview with The Times or Telegraph.rottenborough said:
There's a four page interview with him in last week's NewStatesman, so he's not being doing nothing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have no idea why you thought he wasFarooq said:
I... don't really care where Starmer is.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not me on that tweet and your answer about me is just silly and does not help find StarmerFarooq said:
Because you've been spending 23.5 hours a day locked in the bathroom with What Sub? magazine.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More to the point where is hejustin124 said:
It rather confirms my fear that Starmer lacks a political brain.rottenborough said:
Glen O'Hara
@gsoh31
·
12h
Government: faces sea of troubles, could be looking at a winter of crises.
Labour: we'll just have a fight amongst ourselves over here then. Face with rolling eyesGrimacing faceConfounded face
I have not seen or heard from him for quite some time
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1440343918718054404?s=19
All we know is he's not in your bathroom.
He is HM leader of the official opposition and with everything that is going on he is absent without leave
Apparently the leaders speech will be "surprisingly bold".
I am assuming the big media interviews will come when Labour conference kicks off in a couple of days or so.
Everything else right now, fluff.0 -
I am only passing an opinion that seems to be circulating generally in the mediaStuartinromford said:
You could just, check on the internet...Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have no idea why you thought he wasFarooq said:
I... don't really care where Starmer is.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not me on that tweet and your answer about me is just silly and does not help find StarmerFarooq said:
Because you've been spending 23.5 hours a day locked in the bathroom with What Sub? magazine.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More to the point where is hejustin124 said:
It rather confirms my fear that Starmer lacks a political brain.rottenborough said:
Glen O'Hara
@gsoh31
·
12h
Government: faces sea of troubles, could be looking at a winter of crises.
Labour: we'll just have a fight amongst ourselves over here then. Face with rolling eyesGrimacing faceConfounded face
I have not seen or heard from him for quite some time
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1440343918718054404?s=19
All we know is he's not in your bathroom.
He is HM leader of the official opposition and with everything that is going on he is absent without leave
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1439953221078994950?s=20
You are a splendid chap, BigG. But there are times when your curtain-twitching and stirring are really tedious.
However, if labour supporters are happy with the situation then fine0 -
The UK being kicked out is [next to] impossible*.MaxPB said:
How could that ever happen? We have a veto on being ejected. It's why the 5 permanent members are permanent. I'm actually not sure is there's a mechanism to give the French one to the EU. All 5 members have to vote the EU into it and then all 6 then need to vote France out, and the EU isn't a recognised sovereign state so can it even hold a SC seat? What they're really saying is that they'll keep the seat but allow some EU input into votes.williamglenn said:
I wonder if Macron's plan is to get the UK kicked out in favour of India.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't believe that at all but its a massive, massive step if that is done.rottenborough said:
Allie Hodgkins-Brown
@AllieHBNews
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1m
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Definitely trying to lose the presidential race next year me thinks
And its something that could only have been facilitated post-Brexit. The idea of Britain giving up its seat to the EU was unthinkable, and the idea of two seats going to one was also pretty unthinkable. But one going up to its next federal level - that just makes sense.
The French one going to the EU is easily done, if the French are happy with it. Just recognise the EU as a sovereign state and the continuation of the French state and it takes the French place. But then the French [and the other 26] all leave the UN altogether, which would only be right if this is happening.
If this happens it won't be the first exchange it'd be the third. Republic of China (Taiwan) was replaced as a permanent member by [People's Republic of] China. The USSR was replaced as a permanent member by Russia. And if the UK ever dissolved the UK would be replaced with England. There's no reason France can't be replaced with the EU if they make a federal unified country official.
* Its technically possible but its not going to happen.0 -
He is on Marr this next Sundayrottenborough said:
It's pre-conference stuff for the faithful.MaxPB said:
Talking to the New Statesman will win Labour precisely zero new voters. Blair would have got his interview with The Times or Telegraph.rottenborough said:
There's a four page interview with him in last week's NewStatesman, so he's not being doing nothing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have no idea why you thought he wasFarooq said:
I... don't really care where Starmer is.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not me on that tweet and your answer about me is just silly and does not help find StarmerFarooq said:
Because you've been spending 23.5 hours a day locked in the bathroom with What Sub? magazine.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More to the point where is hejustin124 said:
It rather confirms my fear that Starmer lacks a political brain.rottenborough said:
Glen O'Hara
@gsoh31
·
12h
Government: faces sea of troubles, could be looking at a winter of crises.
Labour: we'll just have a fight amongst ourselves over here then. Face with rolling eyesGrimacing faceConfounded face
I have not seen or heard from him for quite some time
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1440343918718054404?s=19
All we know is he's not in your bathroom.
He is HM leader of the official opposition and with everything that is going on he is absent without leave
Apparently the leaders speech will be "surprisingly bold".
I am assuming the big media interviews will come when Labour conference kicks off in a couple of days or so.0 -
Right in terms of the Beckets who thought it fair the left should have skin in the contest to represent their fringe views, without that he couldn’t have won.kle4 said:
Corbyn didn't happen because of the system in place. He happened because MPs ignored their concerns to let him run, making a mockery of the point of the system.gealbhan said:
There’s three constituencies in the Labour Party marriage. MPs need a Parliamentary leader. That effectively is what the Role of Labour Party leader is. Allowing members a say is only okay in a college system, otherwise there is too much risk the leader is not backed by enough of the PLP. Electing the wrong brother was not a f up, because it’s absolutely right they have a college vote as the financiers of the party. Miliband should never have tampered with it. Look how many MPs the party has today because of it.rottenborough said:
Strikes me Labour might be better with the Tory system of MPs picking two leader candidates to go through to the membership vote.gealbhan said:
What Starmer is doing repealing Miilbands failed madness is absolutely right - though hardly a Clause 4 moment.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More to the point where is hejustin124 said:
It rather confirms my fear that Starmer lacks a political brain.rottenborough said:
Glen O'Hara
@gsoh31
·
12h
Government: faces sea of troubles, could be looking at a winter of crises.
Labour: we'll just have a fight amongst ourselves over here then. Face with rolling eyesGrimacing faceConfounded face
I have not seen or heard from him for quite some time
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1440343918718054404?s=19
Tough on Corbyn, tough on the causes of Corbyn. You say you don’t support that? What are you, Toby Young?
Then again the clause 4 moment wasn’t a clause 4 moment either, completely manufactured and bigged up piece of substance lacking trash.
Pulling the unions back into the leadership race takes them back to exactly the f*ck up that elected the wrong brother.
Wrong, because you are missing main point here. He could only have won because of Millibands disastrous OMOV. Without OMOV he would not have won.1 -
We have SLAB and Len McCluskey to thank for that particular rule change given what happened in Falkirk. Given the 'transitivity' of causation, you can basically blame SLAB for us leaving the EU if you believe - as Vote Leave do - the referendum would have gone differently if Labour had actually had a pro-EU leader at the time.gealbhan said:
There’s three constituencies in the Labour Party marriage. MPs need a Parliamentary leader. That effectively is what the Role of Labour Party leader is. Allowing members a say is only okay in a college system, otherwise there is too much risk the leader is not backed by enough of the PLP. Electing the wrong brother was not a f up, because it’s absolutely right they have a college vote as the financiers of the party. Miliband should never have tampered with it. Look how many MPs the party has today because of it.rottenborough said:
Strikes me Labour might be better with the Tory system of MPs picking two leader candidates to go through to the membership vote.gealbhan said:
What Starmer is doing repealing Miilbands failed madness is absolutely right - though hardly a Clause 4 moment.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More to the point where is hejustin124 said:
It rather confirms my fear that Starmer lacks a political brain.rottenborough said:
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Government: faces sea of troubles, could be looking at a winter of crises.
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I have not seen or heard from him for quite some time
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1440343918718054404?s=19
Tough on Corbyn, tough on the causes of Corbyn. You say you don’t support that? What are you, Toby Young?
Then again the clause 4 moment wasn’t a clause 4 moment either, completely manufactured and bigged up piece of substance lacking trash.
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It is gradually getting worse too. My local Morrisons has a pretty thin selection of fruit and veg, hasn't had fruit juice (fresh or carton) for around a month, and the fresh meat section can be patchy. The staff seem to have given up on spreading stuff thinly and are just leaving shelves empty.Farooq said:
Look, I don't want to get into this too much because there are alternatives. But every time I've been to a supermarket lately there have been noticeable gaps. One shop I wanted ingredients for a stew, beef or lamb, didn't mind which. Whole shop was out of BOTH, fresh and frozen.turbotubbs said:
Really? Gaps on a few shelves are not people going short of food. The main loss seems to be bottled water. Lucky we’ve got safe drinking water out of the fecking tap then...rottenborough said:Bit "crisis, what crisis", from Johnson on that BBC News at 10 report.
"No one will go short of food".
They are already are.
Not the end of the world since I was able to get chicken, so that's why I've not pitched in to moan about this before, but you have to get over the idea that it's just bottled water.
It's very much at the "first world problems" level, I'm not going to die of starvation any time soon, but it's gradually getting from "trivial" to "annoying" as it goes on longer.1 -
My thoughts:rottenborough said:
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Definitely trying to lose the presidential race next year me thinks
if it happens, its more lily to be a halfway step, i.e. the other nations will keep there seats on the GA, but and France only sort of gives its SC seat, i.e. It will speak on behalf of the 500 million people when it suits them, but for France only when it souts France.
But, its probably only 'kite flying' looking for supportive comments, form the rest of the EU of France/macron in the run up to the French GE.
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I'm all in favour of a flat rate tax. Not so sure about UBI. I'd like to see another country try it out first to see if it worked. But I cant see any system where a couple earning 60k pays no tax at all. If their UBI allowance was 24k under your numbers shouldn't they start paying tax from 24001 up?Philip_Thompson said:
Ideally we shouldn't have basic and higher rates, the rate should be flat rather than creating issues with thresholds that makes it change.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am sorry I misunderstood.Philip_Thompson said:
Abolish NI is what I hope for. Have one income tax that yes is paid the same whether by pensioners or employees.Big_G_NorthWales said:
So just for clarification you are going to apply full NI to all pensions as is @Philip_Thompson hopeskinabalu said:
Ah no we can do that, equalizing CGT and income tax, earned v unearned. Fact, we WILL be doing that. Thought you were talking about that 'flat rate' income tax nonsense. Apols. So, ok, welcome comrade.Philip_Thompson said:
That's a shame.kinabalu said:
Ok, I see. No, that will not be forthcoming from Labour. You can stop agonizing. Stay with the magnificent muscly one.Philip_Thompson said:
As I said I am very suspicious about claimed taxes from wealth and corporates because most such taxes are very counterproductive. Any such tax that will just see immediate capital flight is an awful idea.kinabalu said:
What I mean is the overall tax burden about the same but under Labour more of it raised from wealth and less from income, and more from corporates and less from individuals. Does this have you taking a very close look and voting for it unless you find a catch?Philip_Thompson said:
If you mean by the first two similar levels overall but taxes would be equalised between earned and unearned income and the poverty trap is fixed then yes I'd vote for that. I said that before.kinabalu said:
What about similar overall levels but with Labour a shift from poor to rich, young to old, personal to corporate, income to wealth?Philip_Thompson said:
I don't really care about any wokery in the LDs. I've said I'd like to see what their economic policy is and all I see from Davey there is a call for more taxes but without saying what taxes they are he'd raise. Not exactly what I'm looking for there.Gardenwalker said:
Except that each of you, having harrumphed about tax rises, are all now fulminating about semi-imagined wokery in the LDs (and you’re obviously not going to vote for Labour).Casino_Royale said:
That's an aspersion on me, @MaxPB and @Philip_Thompson and none of us have said we'd fall for that.Foxy said:
Yes it has been obvious for some time that PB Tories will swallow increased taxes on young workers to featherbed pensioners as long as they are chucked a bit of red meat from the culture war. That is the Johnson strategy for 2024.MaxPB said:
Nah, the Lib Dems have become infected with Woke. Labour can't seem to make their minds up about it and the Tories aren't. Ultimately if you have a red line over self-ID men going into female only spaces (which a lot of small c conservative voters do) then what are the options?Gardenwalker said:
How convenient for you that none of them are standing.Casino_Royale said:
You're a Lib Dem loyalist, so you just can't or won't see it, but there's no doubt Ed Davey is a tosspot.stodge said:
I'm genuinely curious - Davey says something you don't like and he's automatically a "tosspot".Casino_Royale said:
A timely reminder that whilst I might go on strike from voting Conservative I'm not going to vote for that tosspot.
In all honesty, for a forum which occasionally talks about politics, the widespread contempt for almost all politicians is perhaps predictable but it's not sensible.
Who or what would make a good politician in your eyes? Inasmuch as no politician would run the country directly for your benefit (or mine), what is it you are looking for in a political figure?
Do you want a "strong" leader - lots of people enjoy being told what to do after all - or just someone who does the things you want?
I've dabbled in politics in my time - it's hard and often thankless work. You set off with noble intentions around public service and "wanting to do good" and it just wears you down - not the system but the ingratitude. Yet if, at any point, you sound off and reference that, out comes the abuse and vitriol.
It's often said a country gets the politicians it deserves - the more I see that, both here and round the world, the more accurate I think it is.
I don't like his Wokeness, his attitude to gender self-identification, his europhilia, and I've never liked him personally. He's a classroom snitch who makes things needlessly antagonistic and personal.
I did like David Laws, Jeremy Browne, Steve Webb and Nick Clegg and there are plenty other liberal orange-bookers I might vote for but him?
No.
I guess it’s another tick for the face-eating leopard party, aka the “Burn the National Trust Now” campaign.
Ed Davey just tried to blame the Lib Dems kicking out a feminist from their party on the Tories. It's completely ridiculous. They're a joke.
If Liz Truss took over as PM by 2024 it might be a very different story.
It reminds me of the old Harry Enfield sketch, “the Self Righteous Brothers”.
Davey! No!
Boris’a strategy is working, so far as I can tell.
If Labour were too embrace low taxes then of course I could be tempted to vote Labour. I'm not holding my breath on that though.
Tempting?
On the final two it would really depend upon what is suggested. "Corporate" taxes are generally a very bad idea since corporate taxes like employers NI are really a tax on wages, and corporation tax leads to companies relocating profits abroad so don't raise revenues.
As for wealth, it depends again on what you propose. Since most wealth taxes ever tried have been dismal failures that lead to wealth fleeing overseas then that's a terrible idea. You'd have to be very smart with any proposal, pretty much the only thing that could work is a tax on property that is levied on the owners. Almost any other wealth taxes are a terrible idea that lead to flight (property can't flee) but I'd listen to your proposals.
Taxes that are low but consistently applied, so lower rates but evenly to everyone (so those not paying their share see rises, the rest of us cuts) that I'm happy with.
A Labour Party that was true to its name and became the party of working people, that equalised taxes between earned and unearned income would be a party that was worth voting for.
It would also do more for raising the prospects of the 'working poor' etc than any amount of stupid capital flight inducing taxes ever could.
I thought you wanted NI applied to all earned income including pensions
If you want a single tax to take its place what would your suggest basic and higher rates should be
Obviously need to work on numbers to make it work but something along the lines of a UBI of £8,000 per adult over 18, £4,000 per dependent under 18, with a single unitary flat tax rate of 40%
For a 2 adult, 2 child household that would be a UBI of £24,000. If both parents had a £30k salary on average then that would be the breakeven point so there would be not a penny in benefits and not a penny in tax either. Take home pay would be £60k.
Change the numbers to suit to make it work, but the tax rate should never as a matter of principle to me be over 50%.0 -
Yes.RandallFlagg said:
We have SLAB and Len McCluskey to thank for that particular rule change given what happened in Falkirk. Given the 'transitivity' of causation, you can basically blame SLAB for us leaving the EU if you believe - as Vote Leave do - the referendum would have gone differently if Labour had actually had a pro-EU leader at the time.gealbhan said:
There’s three constituencies in the Labour Party marriage. MPs need a Parliamentary leader. That effectively is what the Role of Labour Party leader is. Allowing members a say is only okay in a college system, otherwise there is too much risk the leader is not backed by enough of the PLP. Electing the wrong brother was not a f up, because it’s absolutely right they have a college vote as the financiers of the party. Miliband should never have tampered with it. Look how many MPs the party has today because of it.rottenborough said:
Strikes me Labour might be better with the Tory system of MPs picking two leader candidates to go through to the membership vote.gealbhan said:
What Starmer is doing repealing Miilbands failed madness is absolutely right - though hardly a Clause 4 moment.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More to the point where is hejustin124 said:
It rather confirms my fear that Starmer lacks a political brain.rottenborough said:
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Government: faces sea of troubles, could be looking at a winter of crises.
Labour: we'll just have a fight amongst ourselves over here then. Face with rolling eyesGrimacing faceConfounded face
I have not seen or heard from him for quite some time
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1440343918718054404?s=19
Tough on Corbyn, tough on the causes of Corbyn. You say you don’t support that? What are you, Toby Young?
Then again the clause 4 moment wasn’t a clause 4 moment either, completely manufactured and bigged up piece of substance lacking trash.
Pulling the unions back into the leadership race takes them back to exactly the f*ck up that elected the wrong brother.0 -
Or that all SNP or Green voters are pro-independenceCarnyx said:
SCUP voters are against independence referenda, democracy, etc.? Who knew?HYUFD said:
85% of 2019 Conservative voters oppose a referendum on Scottish independence being held within the next 5 years in that new Redfield Scottish poll but only 41% of 2019 Labour voters are opposed to an indyref2 in the next 5 years.Carnyx said:
Only if opinion doesn't change.HYUFD said:
Looks like indyref2 can be easily refused then for the rest of this parliament at leastCarlottaVance said:Would Scots support or oppose an independence referendum being held... (18 Sept)
In the next year?
Oppose: 50% (+3)
Support: 34% (-6)
Later than a year from now, but within the next 5 years?
Oppose: 42% (+2)
Support: 41% (-1)
Changes +/- 4-5 Aug
https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1440345781009928199?s=20
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/scottish-independence-referendum-voting-intention-18-september/
So as long as we have a Tory government there will be no indyref2 allowed, it would need a Starmer premiership after the next UK general election, probably with SNP confidence and supply, for it to be allowed
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The south?😀 Best shop for me is Booths, but only encounter them in the Lake District.Farooq said:
I think my nearest Waitrose is more than 100 miles away. Struggling to think of a time I've ever been in one. Maybe on holiday somewhere. Are they only in posh places?turbotubbs said:
Our butchers meat is excellent and locally sourced. Vastly better than our Waitrose.Farooq said:
No, I live in a pretty small place, just a pub and newsagent. Probably a butchers somewhere in one of the bigger towns but I haven't looked for one. Probably worth checking out what's about, good idea.turbotubbs said:
Do you have a butchers? Ours is superb. Used to have two, now down to one, and really hoping it keeps going. Also have a greengrocer most days. Both seem to have no stock issues.Farooq said:
Both Tesco and Asda, those are the only two supermarkets I've got near me. The lamb & beef was Tesco.Philip_Thompson said:
I haven't seen either missing in my shop. I wonder what it is about your shop that made it so much worse at its stock management?Farooq said:
Look, I don't want to get into this too much because there are alternatives. But every time I've been to a supermarket lately there have been noticeable gaps. One shop I wanted ingredients for a stew, beef or lamb, didn't mind which. Whole shop was out of BOTH, fresh and frozen.turbotubbs said:
Really? Gaps on a few shelves are not people going short of food. The main loss seems to be bottled water. Lucky we’ve got safe drinking water out of the fecking tap then...rottenborough said:Bit "crisis, what crisis", from Johnson on that BBC News at 10 report.
"No one will go short of food".
They are already are.
Not the end of the world since I was able to get chicken, so that's why I've not pitched in to moan about this before, but you have to get over the idea that it's just bottled water.
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How much more expensive is local butchers v supermarket?turbotubbs said:
Our butchers meat is excellent and locally sourced. Vastly better than our Waitrose.Farooq said:
No, I live in a pretty small place, just a pub and newsagent. Probably a butchers somewhere in one of the bigger towns but I haven't looked for one. Probably worth checking out what's about, good idea.turbotubbs said:
Do you have a butchers? Ours is superb. Used to have two, now down to one, and really hoping it keeps going. Also have a greengrocer most days. Both seem to have no stock issues.Farooq said:
Both Tesco and Asda, those are the only two supermarkets I've got near me. The lamb & beef was Tesco.Philip_Thompson said:
I haven't seen either missing in my shop. I wonder what it is about your shop that made it so much worse at its stock management?Farooq said:
Look, I don't want to get into this too much because there are alternatives. But every time I've been to a supermarket lately there have been noticeable gaps. One shop I wanted ingredients for a stew, beef or lamb, didn't mind which. Whole shop was out of BOTH, fresh and frozen.turbotubbs said:
Really? Gaps on a few shelves are not people going short of food. The main loss seems to be bottled water. Lucky we’ve got safe drinking water out of the fecking tap then...rottenborough said:Bit "crisis, what crisis", from Johnson on that BBC News at 10 report.
"No one will go short of food".
They are already are.
Not the end of the world since I was able to get chicken, so that's why I've not pitched in to moan about this before, but you have to get over the idea that it's just bottled water.
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Where the COVID cases are coming from:
Age-sex pyramid today (left) compared to 4 weeks ago (right)
https://twitter.com/kallmemeg/status/1440415496042528772?s=20
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Hi I'm here. Watching figures with caution and neither pessimism nor optimism.rcs1000 said:
@Chris???CarlottaVance said:Surely this should be the key measure going forward:
In hospital numbers down 13% on last Tuesday. Another week of that (which is possible based on case rates in older groups to now) puts England comfortably under 5000 for first since end of July.
Question is what happens next with current case rise (predominantly young atm)
https://twitter.com/ThatRyanChap/status/1440333337835425800?s=20
Where are you???
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