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That site is horrendous.Taz said:
He turned up to Manchester Pride in an LGB Alliance cap and shirt. LGB Alliance are not anti trans, they are pro same sex.kinabalu said:
Manchester. The man turned up to a pro-trans event in anti-trans tee shirt. He was jeered and had his hat nicked. Not great but hardly as presented. And both sides are guilty of abusing stats. Eg the "48% of transwomen in prison are in for sex crimes" as featured on here the other day, this one should carry an enormous health warning, as is obvious when you dig into it, yet it's been used to float all sorts of prejudiced garbage. And as for homophobia you should just see some of the stuff posted by some of the more extreme anti-trans obsessives (mainly blokes of a highly unreconstructed nature). There is simply no question that these are the sort of people who would have been battling against gay (or any minority apart from bigots) rights every step of the way. They probably still would be if they hadn't latched onto this. You make some great points, cyclefree, and put them well, and we're aren't as much at odds on this issue as it might appear, when it comes to what to do in practice, but boy are you a long way from being balanced. Which is fair enough, why argue the opposite case to the one you wish to push?, but I point this out in case people on here think otherwise. They should DTOR.Cyclefree said:In response to @JosiasJessop -
I am afraid that you are missing the point. Stonewall is not a reliable source because it now has a very specific agenda, namely, to abolish sex as a protected characteristic and sex-based rights under the Equality Act. The statistics about threats of suicide amongst young people claiming to be trans have been debunked - see the recent Alex Massie article on this in the Times. The recent Sonia Appleby whistleblowing case in relation to the Tavistock Centre and how it deals with children is well worth a read, not least because it sheds light on some of the very dubious behaviour of organisations like Mermaids. Ditto the Keira Bell case. The experimentation on children claiming to be dysphoric, many of whom are autistic and/or gay, using untested drugs with horrific and irreversible side effects with scarce regard for the Gillick comepetence test is an absolute scandal.
It is not simply one MP who has been attacked. There was a recent Pride March in Manchester where a gay man was attacked by the marchers and had to be escorted off by the police for his own safety. At that same march one of the marching female vicars claimed that gender ideology meant that homosexuality did not exist. Lesbians have been attacked - here and in France - for asserting that same sex attraction is real and that men with penises are not women or lesbians no matter what they say or feel. There is an undeniable homophobic element to the gender ideology movement because it denies that sex matters, one reason why lesbians and some gay people have founded their own separate organisation because they no longer feel that Stonewall represents their interests. In the recent London Pride march there were banners calling for JK Rowling to be killed with no action taken. In the US a man walked into a spa naked with an erect penis and claimed to be trans. In fact it turned out he was a sexual predator with a history of offending who has now been charged. When the story first came out the pro-trans lobby attacked the women who complained accusing them of fascism and a whole load besides but have been very silent when the facts since came out. In Scotland the male trans head of a rape charity has stated that rape victims need to be "cleansed" of their transphobic views before accessing the charity's services. Just pause on that - women who have been attacked by men need to be cleansed of their views because they must be transphobic if they do not want a male counsellor to help them through their trauma. A woman asking about the single sex exemptions under the Equality Act was thrown out of the meeting.
Indeed they are being targeted by pro trans fanatics attacking their charitable status through the courts for no better reason than to silence them.
You want bigotry. Read this.
Www.terfisaslur.com0 -
It’s not ‘arrogance’. Ffs. It’s basic humanity. Also the Faroes are themselves a wealthy white western nation. Much wealthier than us, per capitaTaz said:
Yes, the world needs more arrogant white western nations dictating their will to remote communities. Worked so well so far.Leon said:I don’t want to bang on, but the details of that Faroese dolphin hunt are truly distressing. Using jet skis and speedboats they pursued this huge, tiring pod of dolphins for hours. Eventually cornering them on that beach, where they were incompetently slaughtered by fools. Some taking ages to die
One thousand five hundred dolphins
I can understand why a poor, primitive society might need to hunt cetaceans to get by. The Faroese are enormously rich. They’re not going to starve whatever they kill. They can’t eat 1500 dolphins, anyway
So it was mass killing for the sake of mass killing. The joy of sadistic butchery. What the Hell
I don’t normally get that exercised by ‘ecological’ issues but this is horrible.
Nick Palmer! This is your job. The world needs to tell the Faroes: Stop, or else
Perhaps engaging with them may be a better Approach than just telling them.
Also, the world HAS politely asked them to stop doing this, for many years. They just ignore it. Because this senseless killing (which gets more horrific by the year) is an ‘ancient tradition’. Yes. The ‘ancient tradition’ of pursuing a thousand dolphins on jet skis then using power drills to lazily chop them to death
Enough polite asking. Fuck their tourist industry. That would be a good place to start4 -
Mr Pete,
We always coped with seasonal labour shortages in the summer with 'make do and mend.' Most of the gangs I worked with in the sixties (in Boston or Vilnius central as it later became) were composed of teenagers like me (in the evenings and school holidays), and women with children who could fit their hours around domestic duties.
Very few men worked on the land as there were always jobs that paid better and were a lot easier in the town The automated tate harvesters hadn't arrived then. Often you sat in the van and didn't get paid when it rained. Fortunately, it's relatively dry on the fens.
I now live in the NW and notice the difference.
I'm not surprised the farmers took advantage of the new labour force in the 2000s. It was becoming harder to persuade the locals to do the jobs.
Labour's view had then become that cheap labour was a good thing because it kept the food prices low. What a change from the Tolpuddle Martyrs. Did they die in vain? Forsaken for their new best mates - metropolitan luvvies.
OK, I exaggerate a touch, but the four Yorkshiremen sketch was funny.
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Shocking.MrEd said:
That site is horrendous.Taz said:
He turned up to Manchester Pride in an LGB Alliance cap and shirt. LGB Alliance are not anti trans, they are pro same sex.kinabalu said:
Manchester. The man turned up to a pro-trans event in anti-trans tee shirt. He was jeered and had his hat nicked. Not great but hardly as presented. And both sides are guilty of abusing stats. Eg the "48% of transwomen in prison are in for sex crimes" as featured on here the other day, this one should carry an enormous health warning, as is obvious when you dig into it, yet it's been used to float all sorts of prejudiced garbage. And as for homophobia you should just see some of the stuff posted by some of the more extreme anti-trans obsessives (mainly blokes of a highly unreconstructed nature). There is simply no question that these are the sort of people who would have been battling against gay (or any minority apart from bigots) rights every step of the way. They probably still would be if they hadn't latched onto this. You make some great points, cyclefree, and put them well, and we're aren't as much at odds on this issue as it might appear, when it comes to what to do in practice, but boy are you a long way from being balanced. Which is fair enough, why argue the opposite case to the one you wish to push?, but I point this out in case people on here think otherwise. They should DTOR.Cyclefree said:In response to @JosiasJessop -
I am afraid that you are missing the point. Stonewall is not a reliable source because it now has a very specific agenda, namely, to abolish sex as a protected characteristic and sex-based rights under the Equality Act. The statistics about threats of suicide amongst young people claiming to be trans have been debunked - see the recent Alex Massie article on this in the Times. The recent Sonia Appleby whistleblowing case in relation to the Tavistock Centre and how it deals with children is well worth a read, not least because it sheds light on some of the very dubious behaviour of organisations like Mermaids. Ditto the Keira Bell case. The experimentation on children claiming to be dysphoric, many of whom are autistic and/or gay, using untested drugs with horrific and irreversible side effects with scarce regard for the Gillick comepetence test is an absolute scandal.
It is not simply one MP who has been attacked. There was a recent Pride March in Manchester where a gay man was attacked by the marchers and had to be escorted off by the police for his own safety. At that same march one of the marching female vicars claimed that gender ideology meant that homosexuality did not exist. Lesbians have been attacked - here and in France - for asserting that same sex attraction is real and that men with penises are not women or lesbians no matter what they say or feel. There is an undeniable homophobic element to the gender ideology movement because it denies that sex matters, one reason why lesbians and some gay people have founded their own separate organisation because they no longer feel that Stonewall represents their interests. In the recent London Pride march there were banners calling for JK Rowling to be killed with no action taken. In the US a man walked into a spa naked with an erect penis and claimed to be trans. In fact it turned out he was a sexual predator with a history of offending who has now been charged. When the story first came out the pro-trans lobby attacked the women who complained accusing them of fascism and a whole load besides but have been very silent when the facts since came out. In Scotland the male trans head of a rape charity has stated that rape victims need to be "cleansed" of their transphobic views before accessing the charity's services. Just pause on that - women who have been attacked by men need to be cleansed of their views because they must be transphobic if they do not want a male counsellor to help them through their trauma. A woman asking about the single sex exemptions under the Equality Act was thrown out of the meeting.
Indeed they are being targeted by pro trans fanatics attacking their charitable status through the courts for no better reason than to silence them.
You want bigotry. Read this.
Www.terfisaslur.com
Little short of a terrorist group. Anti-science and rationality - spouting delusion:
"Acknowledging the existence of female biology is transphobic or cissexist"2 -
Not much wind out there today.CarlottaVance said:A large fire at a key electricity converter station in the U.K. has shut down a major cable that brings power from France, worsening Britain’s energy crunch. Gas and power prices jumped.
The outage, which the U.K.’s grid manager said will last until at least Oct. 13, couldn’t come at a worse time with supplies already short and prices at record highs. Britain is a net importer of power, with France its biggest supplier via two cables that run across the English Channel.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-15/fire-hits-key-power-converter-station-linking-u-k-to-france0 -
DRC?JosiasJessop said:
If Haiti doesn't exist, then there's a very big Haiti-sized hole in my atlas...Charles said:
What’s does “sources with knowledge of Haiti” actually mean?kle4 said:I don't see anything suspicious about this at all.
Haiti's Prime Minister Ariel Henry has been banned from leaving the country amid an investigation into his alleged involvement in the assassination of President Jovenel Moïse.
A prosecutor is seeking charges against Mr Henry, who has been asked to explain his links with a key suspect in the killing, Joseph Felix Badio.
Records show the two men had multiple phone calls just hours after the assassination, prosecutors say...
On Monday, Mr Henry sent a letter purportedly sacking Chief Prosecutor Bed-Ford Claude and accusing him of a "serious administrative offence". He later nominated a replacement.
However, on Tuesday Mr Claude appeared to remain in his post as he asked a judge investigating the murder of Mr Moïse to charge the prime minister over his "suspected" involvement in the case.
Sources with knowledge of Haiti say it is not in the prime minister's remit to dismiss the prosecutor.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-58564831
I know Haiti exists*. Therefore I have knowledge of Haiti.
* although, on second thoughts, I have never been there so - more correctly - I believe Haiti exists
In all seriousness, has any country had such a bedevilled history as Haiti?
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Well, they have a lovely large tourist industry - relative to their size - which sells the Faroes as this amazing, unspoiled, Edenic destination. Shame if something ever happened to that industry, like a worldwide boycott ensuring its collapseFarooq said:
Or else what?Leon said:I don’t want to bang on, but the details of that Faroese dolphin hunt are truly distressing. Using jet skis and speedboats they pursued this huge, tiring pod of dolphins for hours. Eventually cornering them on that beach, where they were incompetently slaughtered by fools. Some taking ages to die
One thousand five hundred dolphins
I can understand why a poor, primitive society might need to hunt cetaceans to get by. The Faroese are enormously rich. They’re not going to starve whatever they kill. They can’t eat 1500 dolphins, anyway
So it was mass killing for the sake of mass killing. The joy of sadistic butchery. What the Hell
I don’t normally get that exercised by ‘ecological’ issues but this is horrible.
Nick Palmer! This is your job. The world needs to tell the Faroes: Stop, or else0 -
Hearing that Boris Johnson will reshuffle his top team after PMQs.
A senior Tory MP tells me the rumoured moves are:
- Gove to Foreign Office
- Dowden to Education
- Gavin Williamson to Northern Ireland
- Nigel Adams (poss) to DCMS
- Simon Hart out, Craig Williams in Wales
https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1438084381067956225?s=200 -
They were on 25 when Boris took overCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1438071413567594501
Tories into 39 with another pollster. Down down down
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2019_United_Kingdom_general_election1 -
First time I've heard about this. Campaigning isn't what it used to be - from my childhood I can remember no end of Greenpeace adds about seal clubbing.Leon said:
It’s not ‘arrogance’. Ffs. It’s basic humanity. Also the Faroes are themselves a wealthy white western nation. Much wealthier than us, per capitaTaz said:
Yes, the world needs more arrogant white western nations dictating their will to remote communities. Worked so well so far.Leon said:I don’t want to bang on, but the details of that Faroese dolphin hunt are truly distressing. Using jet skis and speedboats they pursued this huge, tiring pod of dolphins for hours. Eventually cornering them on that beach, where they were incompetently slaughtered by fools. Some taking ages to die
One thousand five hundred dolphins
I can understand why a poor, primitive society might need to hunt cetaceans to get by. The Faroese are enormously rich. They’re not going to starve whatever they kill. They can’t eat 1500 dolphins, anyway
So it was mass killing for the sake of mass killing. The joy of sadistic butchery. What the Hell
I don’t normally get that exercised by ‘ecological’ issues but this is horrible.
Nick Palmer! This is your job. The world needs to tell the Faroes: Stop, or else
Perhaps engaging with them may be a better Approach than just telling them.
Also, the world HAS politely asked them to stop doing this, for many years. They just ignore it. Because this senseless killing (which gets more horrific by the year) is an ‘ancient tradition’. Yes. The ‘ancient tradition’ of pursuing a thousand dolphins on jet skis then using power drills to lazily chop them to death
Enough polite asking. Fuck their tourist industry. That would be a good place to start0 -
"no work in SW1 is getting done"... No change there, then.CarlottaVance said:No confirmation on a reshuffle. But fair to say no work in SW1 is getting done until it is (or it’s ruled out). Meetings / events being cancelled, decision making grinding to a halt & lots of ministers focused on whether their career is about to go up, stay the same or end
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438080134544777219?s=20
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You are extremely arrogant, and typical of the neocon mindset.Leon said:
It’s not ‘arrogance’. Ffs. It’s basic humanity. Also the Faroes are themselves a wealthy white western nation. Much wealthier than us, per capitaTaz said:
Yes, the world needs more arrogant white western nations dictating their will to remote communities. Worked so well so far.Leon said:I don’t want to bang on, but the details of that Faroese dolphin hunt are truly distressing. Using jet skis and speedboats they pursued this huge, tiring pod of dolphins for hours. Eventually cornering them on that beach, where they were incompetently slaughtered by fools. Some taking ages to die
One thousand five hundred dolphins
I can understand why a poor, primitive society might need to hunt cetaceans to get by. The Faroese are enormously rich. They’re not going to starve whatever they kill. They can’t eat 1500 dolphins, anyway
So it was mass killing for the sake of mass killing. The joy of sadistic butchery. What the Hell
I don’t normally get that exercised by ‘ecological’ issues but this is horrible.
Nick Palmer! This is your job. The world needs to tell the Faroes: Stop, or else
Perhaps engaging with them may be a better Approach than just telling them.
Also, the world HAS politely asked them to stop doing this, for many years. They just ignore it. Because this senseless killing (which gets more horrific by the year) is an ‘ancient tradition’. Yes. The ‘ancient tradition’ of pursuing a thousand dolphins on jet skis then using power drills to lazily chop them to death
Enough polite asking. Fuck their tourist industry. That would be a good place to start
Your views are right and must be imposed by fair means or foul.
Sod other cultures traditions if they offend white middle class arrogant western sensibilities.
Engaging is the best way.0 -
If that's true then annexing the Faroes could be a goer.CarlottaVance said:- Gove to Foreign Office
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I just clicked on the BBC2 politics show, and there's a man with corn in his top pocket!0 -
India (and perhaps elsewhere?) recognises dolphins as “non human persons”. I think it would be rad if in the 21st Century likeminded nations formed a mutual defence treaty with a “responsibility to protect” type clause on the environment.
Get Dura out of retirement to strafe those jet skis. Blow deep sea dredgers out the water. Send in special forces to take out poachers. Etc…0 -
Council tax going up, NI going up, income tax thresholds being frozen, jump in fuel prices, large jump in energy prices, all round price inflation, squeeze on public spending post-Covid... possibly an interest rate rise to dampen it down.
Anyone who thinks another Conservative majority is a shoe-in for 2023/2024 isn't thinking properly.3 -
See this:
"lesbian women must consider trans women as potential sexual partners"
https://terfisaslur.com/cotton-ceiling/0 -
Agreed; really, really nasty. The far right, and the infantile left have nothing on them. If ever there was a case for internet censorship ......MrEd said:
That site is horrendous.Taz said:
He turned up to Manchester Pride in an LGB Alliance cap and shirt. LGB Alliance are not anti trans, they are pro same sex.kinabalu said:
Manchester. The man turned up to a pro-trans event in anti-trans tee shirt. He was jeered and had his hat nicked. Not great but hardly as presented. And both sides are guilty of abusing stats. Eg the "48% of transwomen in prison are in for sex crimes" as featured on here the other day, this one should carry an enormous health warning, as is obvious when you dig into it, yet it's been used to float all sorts of prejudiced garbage. And as for homophobia you should just see some of the stuff posted by some of the more extreme anti-trans obsessives (mainly blokes of a highly unreconstructed nature). There is simply no question that these are the sort of people who would have been battling against gay (or any minority apart from bigots) rights every step of the way. They probably still would be if they hadn't latched onto this. You make some great points, cyclefree, and put them well, and we're aren't as much at odds on this issue as it might appear, when it comes to what to do in practice, but boy are you a long way from being balanced. Which is fair enough, why argue the opposite case to the one you wish to push?, but I point this out in case people on here think otherwise. They should DTOR.Cyclefree said:In response to @JosiasJessop -
I am afraid that you are missing the point. Stonewall is not a reliable source because it now has a very specific agenda, namely, to abolish sex as a protected characteristic and sex-based rights under the Equality Act. The statistics about threats of suicide amongst young people claiming to be trans have been debunked - see the recent Alex Massie article on this in the Times. The recent Sonia Appleby whistleblowing case in relation to the Tavistock Centre and how it deals with children is well worth a read, not least because it sheds light on some of the very dubious behaviour of organisations like Mermaids. Ditto the Keira Bell case. The experimentation on children claiming to be dysphoric, many of whom are autistic and/or gay, using untested drugs with horrific and irreversible side effects with scarce regard for the Gillick comepetence test is an absolute scandal.
It is not simply one MP who has been attacked. There was a recent Pride March in Manchester where a gay man was attacked by the marchers and had to be escorted off by the police for his own safety. At that same march one of the marching female vicars claimed that gender ideology meant that homosexuality did not exist. Lesbians have been attacked - here and in France - for asserting that same sex attraction is real and that men with penises are not women or lesbians no matter what they say or feel. There is an undeniable homophobic element to the gender ideology movement because it denies that sex matters, one reason why lesbians and some gay people have founded their own separate organisation because they no longer feel that Stonewall represents their interests. In the recent London Pride march there were banners calling for JK Rowling to be killed with no action taken. In the US a man walked into a spa naked with an erect penis and claimed to be trans. In fact it turned out he was a sexual predator with a history of offending who has now been charged. When the story first came out the pro-trans lobby attacked the women who complained accusing them of fascism and a whole load besides but have been very silent when the facts since came out. In Scotland the male trans head of a rape charity has stated that rape victims need to be "cleansed" of their transphobic views before accessing the charity's services. Just pause on that - women who have been attacked by men need to be cleansed of their views because they must be transphobic if they do not want a male counsellor to help them through their trauma. A woman asking about the single sex exemptions under the Equality Act was thrown out of the meeting.
Indeed they are being targeted by pro trans fanatics attacking their charitable status through the courts for no better reason than to silence them.
You want bigotry. Read this.
Www.terfisaslur.com0 -
Tell you what, ignore me. I don’t mind. But look at the photos I linked, and decide how you feelTaz said:
You are extremely arrogant, and typical of the neocon mindset.Leon said:
It’s not ‘arrogance’. Ffs. It’s basic humanity. Also the Faroes are themselves a wealthy white western nation. Much wealthier than us, per capitaTaz said:
Yes, the world needs more arrogant white western nations dictating their will to remote communities. Worked so well so far.Leon said:I don’t want to bang on, but the details of that Faroese dolphin hunt are truly distressing. Using jet skis and speedboats they pursued this huge, tiring pod of dolphins for hours. Eventually cornering them on that beach, where they were incompetently slaughtered by fools. Some taking ages to die
One thousand five hundred dolphins
I can understand why a poor, primitive society might need to hunt cetaceans to get by. The Faroese are enormously rich. They’re not going to starve whatever they kill. They can’t eat 1500 dolphins, anyway
So it was mass killing for the sake of mass killing. The joy of sadistic butchery. What the Hell
I don’t normally get that exercised by ‘ecological’ issues but this is horrible.
Nick Palmer! This is your job. The world needs to tell the Faroes: Stop, or else
Perhaps engaging with them may be a better Approach than just telling them.
Also, the world HAS politely asked them to stop doing this, for many years. They just ignore it. Because this senseless killing (which gets more horrific by the year) is an ‘ancient tradition’. Yes. The ‘ancient tradition’ of pursuing a thousand dolphins on jet skis then using power drills to lazily chop them to death
Enough polite asking. Fuck their tourist industry. That would be a good place to start
Your views are right and must be imposed by fair means or foul.
Sod other cultures traditions if they offend white middle class arrogant western sensibilities.
Engaging is the best way.0 -
WTF have Northern Ireland done to deserve that.CarlottaVance said:Hearing that Boris Johnson will reshuffle his top team after PMQs.
A senior Tory MP tells me the rumoured moves are:
- Gove to Foreign Office
- Dowden to Education
- Gavin Williamson to Northern Ireland
- Nigel Adams (poss) to DCMS
- Simon Hart out, Craig Williams in Wales
https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1438084381067956225?s=20
Also exactly what highly embarrassing items does Mr Williamson have on Boris that makes him unsackable.3 -
Why should they go anywhere? They lost squillions of long serving votes to the Tories and are doing ZILCH, NIHIL, ABSOLUTELY NOWT to convince them to come back. If the government is rubbish (the last couple weeks they have been brilliant at protecting their 2019 voters) the worst that will happen is the voters Torys will keep again at the next election will merely go shy as don’t knows for mid term.MrEd said:
Labour down on that as well. They are just going nowheregealbhan said:
Labours Lexit glass ceiling. Stuck stuck stuck.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1438071413567594501
Tories into 39 with another pollster. Down down down
The disastrous position Labour find themselves in they need to be very very active at showing a government in waiting.
This is what the lost voters need to see for starters:
1. The leadership needs to show it has killer instinct the public are looking for, Starmer needs to put some underperforming heads on spikes ASAP - starting with Angela Rayner, Ashworth, Griffith, Smith.
2. Starmer needs to put poster boy of Remain and 2nd ref behind him, Starmer needs to communicate to the Lexits how he is going to build on the success of Brexit to level up their community and bring the good old days back. If he doesn’t do that he doesn’t get the vote back in the places he needs it.1 -
Mr Leon,
I'd forgotten about the Faroes as a tourist destination. It's sounds interesting and out of the ordinary. Not one for our piscine friends though.0 -
To be fair, many Faroese were disgusted at what happened. Just maybe it'll be the last time.Stark_Dawning said:
First time I've heard about this. Campaigning isn't what it used to be - from my childhood I can remember no end of Greenpeace adds about seal clubbing.Leon said:
It’s not ‘arrogance’. Ffs. It’s basic humanity. Also the Faroes are themselves a wealthy white western nation. Much wealthier than us, per capitaTaz said:
Yes, the world needs more arrogant white western nations dictating their will to remote communities. Worked so well so far.Leon said:I don’t want to bang on, but the details of that Faroese dolphin hunt are truly distressing. Using jet skis and speedboats they pursued this huge, tiring pod of dolphins for hours. Eventually cornering them on that beach, where they were incompetently slaughtered by fools. Some taking ages to die
One thousand five hundred dolphins
I can understand why a poor, primitive society might need to hunt cetaceans to get by. The Faroese are enormously rich. They’re not going to starve whatever they kill. They can’t eat 1500 dolphins, anyway
So it was mass killing for the sake of mass killing. The joy of sadistic butchery. What the Hell
I don’t normally get that exercised by ‘ecological’ issues but this is horrible.
Nick Palmer! This is your job. The world needs to tell the Faroes: Stop, or else
Perhaps engaging with them may be a better Approach than just telling them.
Also, the world HAS politely asked them to stop doing this, for many years. They just ignore it. Because this senseless killing (which gets more horrific by the year) is an ‘ancient tradition’. Yes. The ‘ancient tradition’ of pursuing a thousand dolphins on jet skis then using power drills to lazily chop them to death
Enough polite asking. Fuck their tourist industry. That would be a good place to start0 -
Not sure. Talked to a few strong Tories over the weekend, post the tax rise news. The responses can be summarised as: "The pandemic has cost a fortune - of course taxes were going to rise. What did people expect".Casino_Royale said:Council tax going up, NI going up, income tax thresholds being frozen, jump in fuel prices, large jump in energy prices, all round price inflation, squeeze on public spending post-Covid... possibly an interest rate rise to dampen it down.
Anyone who thinks another Conservative majority is a shoe-in for 2023/2024 isn't thinking properly.1 -
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFObelievers/comments/pkiscz/nasas_bill_nelson_on_uaps/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
This will get lost in the reshuffle but anyway. Nice little segment with Bill Nelson, Biden’s Nasa administrator, on UFOs. He is of course unusually qualified for the role for a politician, having flown on the Columbia shuttle.
In short: yup UFO’s are real and tangible, rather than recording artefacts. We don’t know what they are, but I sure hope they’re not foreign adversaries given the technology they exhibit. We need to find out what they are and if friend or foe. Of course aliens are out there you dumbo. We have no plan on what do if Contact is initiated by them. Hopefully Spielberg got it right with ET who was “a friendly little fella”.
He also helpfully signposts how Disclosure will likely unfold. First, an exoplanet with signs of organic processes. I guess that will come not long after the James Webb telescope is operational (launches in Oct). Then microbes or fossilised microbes on Mars or Venus. Couple of missions targeting that. Then maybe something on Breakthrough Listen. And finally they’ll say, “you know those things that we told you for several years were here but for weird reasons most of you didn’t want to listen? Well you’d better be listening by now because we know what they are”.0 -
Rumour that Gavin Williamson will be moved to Northern Ireland...
What could possibly go wrong?
Edit: Sorry, late to the party as usual.2 -
So the worst cabinet minister in decades to a place where there is a real risk of terrorism re-emerging? Okay.......CarlottaVance said:Hearing that Boris Johnson will reshuffle his top team after PMQs.
A senior Tory MP tells me the rumoured moves are:
- Gove to Foreign Office
- Dowden to Education
- Gavin Williamson to Northern Ireland
- Nigel Adams (poss) to DCMS
- Simon Hart out, Craig Williams in Wales
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Seriously, that has the makings of the worst possible outcomes for N Ireland.eek said:
WTF have Northern Ireland done to deserve that.CarlottaVance said:Hearing that Boris Johnson will reshuffle his top team after PMQs.
A senior Tory MP tells me the rumoured moves are:
- Gove to Foreign Office
- Dowden to Education
- Gavin Williamson to Northern Ireland
- Nigel Adams (poss) to DCMS
- Simon Hart out, Craig Williams in Wales
https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1438084381067956225?s=20
Also exactly what highly embarrassing items does Mr Williamson have on Boris that makes him unsackable.0 -
As an ex-Chief Whip, I'd say that he has a little list except we all know (don't we?) that it's probably blooming huge.eek said:
WTF have Northern Ireland done to deserve that.CarlottaVance said:Hearing that Boris Johnson will reshuffle his top team after PMQs.
A senior Tory MP tells me the rumoured moves are:
- Gove to Foreign Office
- Dowden to Education
- Gavin Williamson to Northern Ireland
- Nigel Adams (poss) to DCMS
- Simon Hart out, Craig Williams in Wales
https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1438084381067956225?s=20
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It’s taking off on Twitter. To be fair this butchery only happened a couple of days ago. And the ‘hunt’ happens every yearStark_Dawning said:
First time I've heard about this. Campaigning isn't what it used to be - from my childhood I can remember no end of Greenpeace adds about seal clubbing.Leon said:
It’s not ‘arrogance’. Ffs. It’s basic humanity. Also the Faroes are themselves a wealthy white western nation. Much wealthier than us, per capitaTaz said:
Yes, the world needs more arrogant white western nations dictating their will to remote communities. Worked so well so far.Leon said:I don’t want to bang on, but the details of that Faroese dolphin hunt are truly distressing. Using jet skis and speedboats they pursued this huge, tiring pod of dolphins for hours. Eventually cornering them on that beach, where they were incompetently slaughtered by fools. Some taking ages to die
One thousand five hundred dolphins
I can understand why a poor, primitive society might need to hunt cetaceans to get by. The Faroese are enormously rich. They’re not going to starve whatever they kill. They can’t eat 1500 dolphins, anyway
So it was mass killing for the sake of mass killing. The joy of sadistic butchery. What the Hell
I don’t normally get that exercised by ‘ecological’ issues but this is horrible.
Nick Palmer! This is your job. The world needs to tell the Faroes: Stop, or else
Perhaps engaging with them may be a better Approach than just telling them.
Also, the world HAS politely asked them to stop doing this, for many years. They just ignore it. Because this senseless killing (which gets more horrific by the year) is an ‘ancient tradition’. Yes. The ‘ancient tradition’ of pursuing a thousand dolphins on jet skis then using power drills to lazily chop them to death
Enough polite asking. Fuck their tourist industry. That would be a good place to start
The reason this one sticks out is the overwhelming scale of the slaughter - because the Faroese are now so rich they can all afford jet-skis, and join in, and hunt down thousands. In a day. Apparently it makes them feel ‘manly’
It is thought to be the biggest single slaughter of whales/dolphins in recorded history. And it happened this week.
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Mr/Ms (I'm sorry, I'm terribly at remembering certain people) Moonshine, it's fascinating to consider whether aliens are likely to be friendly or aggressive.
Also irrelevant, as they're likely to be orders of magnitude more powerful than we are.0 -
Lesbian dating agencies have plenty of ‘trans women’ on them. Which is fine if they want that but it is the guilt shaming and torrent of abuse they get for wishing to enjoy a single sex attraction and abuse as ‘vagina fetishists’Stocky said:See this:
"lesbian women must consider trans women as potential sexual partners"
https://terfisaslur.com/cotton-ceiling/
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The long-serving voters lost to the Tories are going to be difficult to get back because they are ideologically conservative in many ways and always have been. The spell is broken.gealbhan said:
Why should they go anywhere? They lost squillions of long serving votes to the Tories and are doing ZILCH, NIHIL, ABSOLUTELY NOWT to convince them to come back. If the government is rubbish (the last couple weeks they have been brilliant at protecting their 2019 voters) the worst that will happen is the voters Torys will keep again at the next election will merely go shy as don’t knows for mid term.MrEd said:
Labour down on that as well. They are just going nowheregealbhan said:
Labours Lexit glass ceiling. Stuck stuck stuck.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1438071413567594501
Tories into 39 with another pollster. Down down down
The disastrous position Labour find themselves in they need to be very very active at showing a government in waiting.
This is what the lost voters need to see for starters:
1. The leadership needs to show it has killer instinct the public are looking for, Starmer needs to put some underperforming heads on spikes ASAP - starting with Angela Rayner, Ashworth, Griffith, Smith.
2. Starmer needs to put poster boy of Remain and 2nd ref behind him, Starmer needs to communicate to the Lexits how he is going to build on the success of Brexit to level up their community and bring the good old days back. If he doesn’t do that he doesn’t get the vote back in the places he needs it.
Labour's hope is that he LDs can draw sufficient voters from the CP to deny the latter a majority.1 -
UK natural gas wholesale prices are ***jumping ~20% today*** to fresh record high as trades brace for more UK gas-fired power station demand after the loss of a key electricity interconnector between UK and France
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Farooq said:
You seem to be saying that I shouldn't be allowed to go to the Faroes because you don't approve of something some people have been allowed to do. Hope I have misunderstood that.Leon said:
Well, they have a lovely large tourist industry - relative to their size - which sells the Faroes as this amazing, unspoiled, Edenic destination. Shame if something ever happened to that industry, like a worldwide boycott ensuring its collapseFarooq said:
Or else what?Leon said:I don’t want to bang on, but the details of that Faroese dolphin hunt are truly distressing. Using jet skis and speedboats they pursued this huge, tiring pod of dolphins for hours. Eventually cornering them on that beach, where they were incompetently slaughtered by fools. Some taking ages to die
One thousand five hundred dolphins
I can understand why a poor, primitive society might need to hunt cetaceans to get by. The Faroese are enormously rich. They’re not going to starve whatever they kill. They can’t eat 1500 dolphins, anyway
So it was mass killing for the sake of mass killing. The joy of sadistic butchery. What the Hell
I don’t normally get that exercised by ‘ecological’ issues but this is horrible.
Nick Palmer! This is your job. The world needs to tell the Faroes: Stop, or else
It’s exactly what he’s saying and why I call his approach arrogant.
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It’s worse than that. What damage could he do?eek said:
WTF have Northern Ireland done to deserve that.CarlottaVance said:Hearing that Boris Johnson will reshuffle his top team after PMQs.
A senior Tory MP tells me the rumoured moves are:
- Gove to Foreign Office
- Dowden to Education
- Gavin Williamson to Northern Ireland
- Nigel Adams (poss) to DCMS
- Simon Hart out, Craig Williams in Wales
https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1438084381067956225?s=20
Also exactly what highly embarrassing items does Mr Williamson have on Boris that makes him unsackable.0 -
Is this going to have an impact at Constituency level eg Canterbury /Rosie Duffield.eek said:
If you want an example of a completely unwinnable battle for a political party - Trans and anti-Trans activism is one such battle.JosiasJessop said:
Also the anti-Trans activism issue that too many people ignore.Taz said:
Not only this there’s the trans issue and trans activism issue that he ignores too that @cyclefree refers to a few posts above.gealbhan said:
No. This isn’t one where statistical math can save you, otherwise we can all be rich on political betting. It’s one where you either have a “feel” for what’s going out there or not.rcs1000 said:
Of course he has a chance of becoming PM.gealbhan said:Starmer has zero chance of being PM, save your money, unless he gains 45+ Seats at next election his party won’t give him another chance. And he ain’t getting that many being poster boy for remain and second ref.
Not that the party is going to dump this loser before the next election. Looks like Labour has to go through the next election and hopefully find an electable leader afterwards, one who can put being a remainer party behind them and attract Lexits back. Though it won’t be easy, it’s a long way back from the electoral mess they are in, a lot has to unwind. It’s going to take time.
And to answer the other question, if Hartlepool bi election held today would result be different? No. Current polling shouts at us no. The Lexits who now vote Tory are not turning back, many of them gone for good. All those polls showing Boris had a great week last week, the electorate love what he’s doing - that’s his Lexits achieving that for him.
Heck, you and @HYUFD and even @Leon have a chance of becoming PM.
The question is really, what chance?
And then you have to ask youself some questions:
Will Boris be PM at the next election?
Probably yes, absent ill health, dire polling, or something out of the blue. Let's say it's an 85% chance.
Will Starmer be Leader of the Labour Party at the next election?
Probably yes too, simply because there's no obvious replacement. I'm going with 75%.
Will the Conservatives fail to win a majority, and will Labour be near enough to form a coalition with others and install Starmer?
Unlikely. I've said I think the Conservatives are 65% to win next time around - but that includes the scenario when Boris has gone. If Boris is PM, it's because he (and his party) thinks he's going to win. So, let's say 70% chance of Conservative majority if Boris is PM. Plus, of course, there are a number of Conservative minority situations where Conservatives plus UUP/DUP is around 324 seats, which probably adds about percent or two. And there's also the scenario where there's no conceivable coalition and therefore there's another election.
So, finger in the air, I'd say he has a 23% chance of becoming PM if both he and Boris are in their jobs in 2024.
.85 * .75 * . 23 = 15% chance of being next PM, which makes 21% a sell.
Personally, I'd sell Rishi here too.
Are Labour making inroads bringing Lexits back from the Tory’s? The answer is no.
Are Labour proactive about all the reasons people won’t vote for them at next election? The answer is no. Hell no in fact, on this very blog last night Nick Palmer couldn’t see any reason for Starmer to dump Angela Rayner out the way before the next election. Dicky had his Henry, Maggie her willie, Blair his thumper. Starmer his Ang? 😂 The fact Nick and other Labour members on here just can’t see the necessity of changing her for a vote winner rather than loser is exactly why Starmer has zero chance. To go back to yes minister, the Starmer Project has no killer instinct.
To change the world you must first reform your own spirit. Starmer does nothing about Rayner. He has members on the NEC calling Priti Patel racist, and Starmer does nothing.
If this was 1985 you would argue Labour had a statistical chance of winning the following election. If you had a feel on the ground what was really happening you would have known their chance was zero.
Will the Tories be able to quietly benefit from that (by keeping quiet and saying positive), as they have generally with AS.0 -
All those shit-eating resignation letters being composed right now.
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As I said to Taz, please ignore me. But look at the photos I linked, and decide for yourselfFarooq said:
You seem to be saying that I shouldn't be allowed to go to the Faroes because you don't approve of something some people have been allowed to do. Hope I have misunderstood that.Leon said:
Well, they have a lovely large tourist industry - relative to their size - which sells the Faroes as this amazing, unspoiled, Edenic destination. Shame if something ever happened to that industry, like a worldwide boycott ensuring its collapseFarooq said:
Or else what?Leon said:I don’t want to bang on, but the details of that Faroese dolphin hunt are truly distressing. Using jet skis and speedboats they pursued this huge, tiring pod of dolphins for hours. Eventually cornering them on that beach, where they were incompetently slaughtered by fools. Some taking ages to die
One thousand five hundred dolphins
I can understand why a poor, primitive society might need to hunt cetaceans to get by. The Faroese are enormously rich. They’re not going to starve whatever they kill. They can’t eat 1500 dolphins, anyway
So it was mass killing for the sake of mass killing. The joy of sadistic butchery. What the Hell
I don’t normally get that exercised by ‘ecological’ issues but this is horrible.
Nick Palmer! This is your job. The world needs to tell the Faroes: Stop, or else
Personally, I’ve always wanted to visit the Faroes. They are meant to be amazing. But I won’t go now, not unless they stop this shit. Personal choice, is all0 -
Starmer has no Tv persona. He is drab and boring. Labour need a celebrity leader like ????MrEd said:
Labour down on that as well. They are just going nowheregealbhan said:
Labours Lexit glass ceiling. Stuck stuck stuck.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1438071413567594501
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I don’t approve, I don’t agree, but I don’t care for your ranting, rabid, virtue signalling and demands they change something you don’t like. I’d rather engage with them.Leon said:
Tell you what, ignore me. I don’t mind. But look at the photos I linked, and decide how you feelTaz said:
You are extremely arrogant, and typical of the neocon mindset.Leon said:
It’s not ‘arrogance’. Ffs. It’s basic humanity. Also the Faroes are themselves a wealthy white western nation. Much wealthier than us, per capitaTaz said:
Yes, the world needs more arrogant white western nations dictating their will to remote communities. Worked so well so far.Leon said:I don’t want to bang on, but the details of that Faroese dolphin hunt are truly distressing. Using jet skis and speedboats they pursued this huge, tiring pod of dolphins for hours. Eventually cornering them on that beach, where they were incompetently slaughtered by fools. Some taking ages to die
One thousand five hundred dolphins
I can understand why a poor, primitive society might need to hunt cetaceans to get by. The Faroese are enormously rich. They’re not going to starve whatever they kill. They can’t eat 1500 dolphins, anyway
So it was mass killing for the sake of mass killing. The joy of sadistic butchery. What the Hell
I don’t normally get that exercised by ‘ecological’ issues but this is horrible.
Nick Palmer! This is your job. The world needs to tell the Faroes: Stop, or else
Perhaps engaging with them may be a better Approach than just telling them.
Also, the world HAS politely asked them to stop doing this, for many years. They just ignore it. Because this senseless killing (which gets more horrific by the year) is an ‘ancient tradition’. Yes. The ‘ancient tradition’ of pursuing a thousand dolphins on jet skis then using power drills to lazily chop them to death
Enough polite asking. Fuck their tourist industry. That would be a good place to start
Your views are right and must be imposed by fair means or foul.
Sod other cultures traditions if they offend white middle class arrogant western sensibilities.
Engaging is the best way.
You are clearly confusing disagreeing with your approach with agreeing or supporting what they are doing.0 -
Well, we can be pretty sure it is not any of:eek said:
WTF have Northern Ireland done to deserve that.CarlottaVance said:Hearing that Boris Johnson will reshuffle his top team after PMQs.
A senior Tory MP tells me the rumoured moves are:
- Gove to Foreign Office
- Dowden to Education
- Gavin Williamson to Northern Ireland
- Nigel Adams (poss) to DCMS
- Simon Hart out, Craig Williams in Wales
https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1438084381067956225?s=20
Also exactly what highly embarrassing items does Mr Williamson have on Boris that makes him unsackable.
accepting money from Russian donors
accepting money from unknown donors
lying
infidelity
arranging for journalists to be beaten up
as those are all in the public domain and have no impact.
Basically Boris has a bumbling toff shield that makes him unembarrassable. Perhaps the dirt is on another senior Tory or the party itself.0 -
Why have we lost the electricity interconnector?williamglenn said:UK natural gas wholesale prices are ***jumping ~20% today*** to fresh record high as trades brace for more UK gas-fired power station demand after the loss of a key electricity interconnector between UK and France
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Why has that interconnector been lost?williamglenn said:UK natural gas wholesale prices are ***jumping ~20% today*** to fresh record high as trades brace for more UK gas-fired power station demand after the loss of a key electricity interconnector between UK and France
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Hah! Following our recent short break in London Mrs P and I were both pinged yesterday (the 14th) for a covid contact on the 8th - six days earlier!
Six days seems very slow - how is that going to help?
We've no symptoms and we already took lateral flow test on Friday when we returned home but now both have to do a PCR test of course. Pretty sure we don't have covid though.0 -
Leon said:
As I said to Taz, please ignore me. But look at the photos I linked, and decide for yourselfFarooq said:
You seem to be saying that I shouldn't be allowed to go to the Faroes because you don't approve of something some people have been allowed to do. Hope I have misunderstood that.Leon said:
Well, they have a lovely large tourist industry - relative to their size - which sells the Faroes as this amazing, unspoiled, Edenic destination. Shame if something ever happened to that industry, like a worldwide boycott ensuring its collapseFarooq said:
Or else what?Leon said:I don’t want to bang on, but the details of that Faroese dolphin hunt are truly distressing. Using jet skis and speedboats they pursued this huge, tiring pod of dolphins for hours. Eventually cornering them on that beach, where they were incompetently slaughtered by fools. Some taking ages to die
One thousand five hundred dolphins
I can understand why a poor, primitive society might need to hunt cetaceans to get by. The Faroese are enormously rich. They’re not going to starve whatever they kill. They can’t eat 1500 dolphins, anyway
So it was mass killing for the sake of mass killing. The joy of sadistic butchery. What the Hell
I don’t normally get that exercised by ‘ecological’ issues but this is horrible.
Nick Palmer! This is your job. The world needs to tell the Faroes: Stop, or else
Personally, I’ve always wanted to visit the Faroes. They are meant to be amazing. But I won’t go now, not unless they stop this shit. Personal choice, is all
Mate, you post stuff you’ll get called out. Just saying ‘ignore me’ won’t wash.
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Why did Brown lose in 2010?Casino_Royale said:Council tax going up, NI going up, income tax thresholds being frozen, jump in fuel prices, large jump in energy prices, all round price inflation, squeeze on public spending post-Covid... possibly an interest rate rise to dampen it down.
Anyone who thinks another Conservative majority is a shoe-in for 2023/2024 isn't thinking properly.
It wasn't because of the Financial Crash. It was because the Tories successfully pinned the blame for the financial crash onto Labour. It was a political defeat.
You paint a picture of rocky times ahead, but regardless of what I might think about Johnson's handling of the pandemic or Brexit, the Opposition would have to pin the blame on Johnson for him to suffer electorally. My sense is that people generally pin the blame on the virus, because the Opposition have failed to win the political argument.
In difficult times who will voters trust? Will they trust the politician who delivered Brexit and vaccines, as promised, to steer them through this latest crisis? Or will they trust a politician so scared of divisions within his own party that he won't tell the voters what he stands for?0 -
Other countries do it as well, of course. Inc Japan.Leon said:
As I said to Taz, please ignore me. But look at the photos I linked, and decide for yourselfFarooq said:
You seem to be saying that I shouldn't be allowed to go to the Faroes because you don't approve of something some people have been allowed to do. Hope I have misunderstood that.Leon said:
Well, they have a lovely large tourist industry - relative to their size - which sells the Faroes as this amazing, unspoiled, Edenic destination. Shame if something ever happened to that industry, like a worldwide boycott ensuring its collapseFarooq said:
Or else what?Leon said:I don’t want to bang on, but the details of that Faroese dolphin hunt are truly distressing. Using jet skis and speedboats they pursued this huge, tiring pod of dolphins for hours. Eventually cornering them on that beach, where they were incompetently slaughtered by fools. Some taking ages to die
One thousand five hundred dolphins
I can understand why a poor, primitive society might need to hunt cetaceans to get by. The Faroese are enormously rich. They’re not going to starve whatever they kill. They can’t eat 1500 dolphins, anyway
So it was mass killing for the sake of mass killing. The joy of sadistic butchery. What the Hell
I don’t normally get that exercised by ‘ecological’ issues but this is horrible.
Nick Palmer! This is your job. The world needs to tell the Faroes: Stop, or else
Personally, I’ve always wanted to visit the Faroes. They are meant to be amazing. But I won’t go now, not unless they stop this shit. Personal choice, is all
See below for gut-wrenching mass slaughter of the magnificent and beautiful tuna:
https://theconversation.com/tuna-or-not-tuna-the-real-cost-of-taking-a-fish-out-of-water-2825
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There has been a fire at our IFA interconnector site in #Sellindge and emergency services are in attendance. The site has been evacuated and the safety of our staff, emergency teams and local residents is our highest priority. We will provide a further update in due course.squareroot2 said:
Why have we lost the electricity interconnector?williamglenn said:UK natural gas wholesale prices are ***jumping ~20% today*** to fresh record high as trades brace for more UK gas-fired power station demand after the loss of a key electricity interconnector between UK and France
https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1438066309485445128
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You still have the App!Benpointer said:Hah! Following our recent short break in London Mrs P and I were both pinged yesterday (the 14th) for a covid contact on the 8th - six days earlier!
Six days seems very slow - how is that going to help?
We've no symptoms and we already took lateral flow test on Friday when we returned home but now both have to do a PCR test of course. Pretty sure we don't have covid though.0 -
The images make me sick, and angry. I confess this is true. I’m not ‘virtue signaling’ tho. My ‘rabid’ ranting is sincere. As I said, just ignore meTaz said:
I don’t approve, I don’t agree, but I don’t care for your ranting, rabid, virtue signalling and demands they change something you don’t like. I’d rather engage with them.Leon said:
Tell you what, ignore me. I don’t mind. But look at the photos I linked, and decide how you feelTaz said:
You are extremely arrogant, and typical of the neocon mindset.Leon said:
It’s not ‘arrogance’. Ffs. It’s basic humanity. Also the Faroes are themselves a wealthy white western nation. Much wealthier than us, per capitaTaz said:
Yes, the world needs more arrogant white western nations dictating their will to remote communities. Worked so well so far.Leon said:I don’t want to bang on, but the details of that Faroese dolphin hunt are truly distressing. Using jet skis and speedboats they pursued this huge, tiring pod of dolphins for hours. Eventually cornering them on that beach, where they were incompetently slaughtered by fools. Some taking ages to die
One thousand five hundred dolphins
I can understand why a poor, primitive society might need to hunt cetaceans to get by. The Faroese are enormously rich. They’re not going to starve whatever they kill. They can’t eat 1500 dolphins, anyway
So it was mass killing for the sake of mass killing. The joy of sadistic butchery. What the Hell
I don’t normally get that exercised by ‘ecological’ issues but this is horrible.
Nick Palmer! This is your job. The world needs to tell the Faroes: Stop, or else
Perhaps engaging with them may be a better Approach than just telling them.
Also, the world HAS politely asked them to stop doing this, for many years. They just ignore it. Because this senseless killing (which gets more horrific by the year) is an ‘ancient tradition’. Yes. The ‘ancient tradition’ of pursuing a thousand dolphins on jet skis then using power drills to lazily chop them to death
Enough polite asking. Fuck their tourist industry. That would be a good place to start
Your views are right and must be imposed by fair means or foul.
Sod other cultures traditions if they offend white middle class arrogant western sensibilities.
Engaging is the best way.
You are clearly confusing disagreeing with your approach with agreeing or supporting what they are doing.
One of the Faroese guys laughing as he ineptly chops a dolphin to death is wearing a Che tee shirt. The depths of irony
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“ Anyone who thinks another Conservative majority is a shoe-in for 2023/2024 isn't thinking properly. “Stocky said:
Not sure. Talked to a few strong Tories over the weekend, post the tax rise news. The responses can be summarised as: "The pandemic has cost a fortune - of course taxes were going to rise. What did people expect".Casino_Royale said:Council tax going up, NI going up, income tax thresholds being frozen, jump in fuel prices, large jump in energy prices, all round price inflation, squeeze on public spending post-Covid... possibly an interest rate rise to dampen it down.
Anyone who thinks another Conservative majority is a shoe-in for 2023/2024 isn't thinking properly.
For all those not thinking properly people, who think all an opposition has to do to gain government is Pfaff around with balloons and wait for a recession to come along, 1992 says hello.
UPDATE light bulb moment, send Starmer and Rayner into their potting sheds instead of campaigning, so they cannot cost Labour votes. NOTE this actually happened0 -
I am dreadful at predicting these things but my one observation is that several of the predicted reshuffle casualties are also people who are extremely loyal, have acted as useful lightning rods for scandals and could be dangerous on the backbench. Not immaterial.
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This is becoming increasingly common week by week.Taz said:
I’ve noticed on LinkedIn people putting pronouns on their profiles. Someone at work even has theirs in their sig.Cookie said:
Good God yes. "They" as use for a single person winds me right up. This predates the trans wars - from the 90s or thereabouts 'they' has been used to refer to a person whose sex you don't know, to avoid the clunky 'his or hers'. Once upon a time, we had a term for singular/gender ambiguous: it was 'his'. 'His' could mean either 'his' in its modern sense or 'his or hers'. But it fell out of favour for understandable reasons.RochdalePioneers said:
Thanks so much for posting all this. Its one hell of an issue where as every opinion seems to generate rage from one group or another I tend to stay away. And that is despite my eldest now identifying as non-binary and in their* second relationship with a trans man.Cyclefree said:The reason I think you are missing the point is this. No-one denies that those people who are genuinely dysphoric need help and resources and to be free from attack and prejudice. I absolutely share your concern about this. If trans activists were genuinely concerned about this, they would be campaigning loudly for more resources for dysphoric people. But they aren't. They are focusing on attacking women who raise concerns and this comes across to women as little more than male bullying and men telling women what being a women is.
But the issue is that if you have effective self-ID with no independent objective verifiable gatekeeping of whether someone really is dysphoric then it provides a bloody great loophole for men who are not trans saying that they are in order to access and attack women. And there is plenty of evidence that sexual predators will do just that and are doing so - in prisons and elsewhere.
The other point is this: 80% of genuine transwomen do not have surgery so they remain with a male body. They have the strength and and ability of a man and there is no way of distinguishing between a man with a male body and a man who has gender dysphoria. So that is why - as a matter of safeguarding - you keep all male bodies out of women only spaces. Otherwise you can have no effective safeguarding.
If anyone can identify themselves into a category, then that category ceases to exist. And the rights based on that category - not to be discriminated against - effectively cease to exist. That is the concern women have. Womanhood is not a feeling. It is an objective biological and scientific fact and those who claim that women have penises and men have cervixes and that a man can, just like that, say he is a woman and access women's services is talking nonsense.
One final fact for you: the majority of men claiming to be trans in prisons in the U.K. at the moment are men who have been convicted of sexual offences against women and children. They were not trans when they were free and committing their offences. But they did somehow claim to be this when they got locked up. They do not have gender recognition certificates. They have not gone though any sort of transition. They have not been medically diagnosed. Odd that. And that is why women are concerned - that this is a loophole which puts them at risk, a very real risk, as the High Court recently recognised.
As this is a subject which does not interest everyone I post here the attached helpful guide - written by a woman, a teacher, a Labour Party member of long standing and married to a transwoman. So someone who knows rather more than most the realities around this topic - https://gcritical.org/introduction/.
*WTF is this "they/they're bullshit? As the person in question is not plural (or gestalt, or schizophrenic) why is the apparent pronoun for a non-binary person plural? I had no problem with the name change (as I didn't have anything to do with the birth name chosen anyway...) but the pronoun thing drives me nuts. As does the lack of a neutral alternative to son/daughter that isn't archaic like issue / progeny / offspring / scion etc
OK. Whine over.
'It' is the gender-neutral term, but I can understand why it isn't used in this instance. Though if 'it' had historically been the term to use for 'his or hers' it wouldn't have its slightly pejorative overtones now.
It puts pressure on those who don't to do the same less they attract the finger of suspicion as "transphobic".2 -
We do. Country bumpkins, eh? Still, somebody else must've had switched on it in Soho too!Stocky said:
You still have the App!Benpointer said:Hah! Following our recent short break in London Mrs P and I were both pinged yesterday (the 14th) for a covid contact on the 8th - six days earlier!
Six days seems very slow - how is that going to help?
We've no symptoms and we already took lateral flow test on Friday when we returned home but now both have to do a PCR test of course. Pretty sure we don't have covid though.1 -
Cetacean, to be PB-pedantic.CD13 said:Mr Leon,
I'd forgotten about the Faroes as a tourist destination. It's sounds interesting and out of the ordinary. Not one for our piscine friends though.
Reminds me of eating dinner in a Chinese restaurant in Montrose years ago with the TV on and the pilot whale hunt du jour being shown in lavish detail and great length.
Edit: I see the tuna have come into the discussion. Not Faroese fish, though.1 -
I doubt you will find out but it is a good questioneek said:
WTF have Northern Ireland done to deserve that.CarlottaVance said:Hearing that Boris Johnson will reshuffle his top team after PMQs.
A senior Tory MP tells me the rumoured moves are:
- Gove to Foreign Office
- Dowden to Education
- Gavin Williamson to Northern Ireland
- Nigel Adams (poss) to DCMS
- Simon Hart out, Craig Williams in Wales
https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1438084381067956225?s=20
Also exactly what highly embarrassing items does Mr Williamson have on Boris that makes him unsackable.0 -
I'm sceptical of all these reshuffle rumours. And Gove to FO seems unlikely if he doesn't like flying.noneoftheabove said:
So the worst cabinet minister in decades to a place where there is a real risk of terrorism re-emerging? Okay.......CarlottaVance said:Hearing that Boris Johnson will reshuffle his top team after PMQs.
A senior Tory MP tells me the rumoured moves are:
- Gove to Foreign Office
- Dowden to Education
- Gavin Williamson to Northern Ireland
- Nigel Adams (poss) to DCMS
- Simon Hart out, Craig Williams in Wales
https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1438084381067956225?s=20
(Of course sooner or later one of these rumours will prove true)0 -
He should have done it sooner, since it's been in the offing for ages - now it'll be portrayed as partly in a 'panic' because god forbid the government should fall behind at some point.CarlottaVance said:The ever reliable...(sic):
Cabinet is on reshuffle red alert, partly because the official drivers have been told to ready to ferry ministers at short notice. “I am hearing it could come later today and tomorrow” said one senior member of the government.
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1438035709160476683?s=200 -
I only ever eat sustainable fish, if at all possible (sometimes abroad it’s not possible to know)Stocky said:
Other countries do it as well, of course. Inc Japan.Leon said:
As I said to Taz, please ignore me. But look at the photos I linked, and decide for yourselfFarooq said:
You seem to be saying that I shouldn't be allowed to go to the Faroes because you don't approve of something some people have been allowed to do. Hope I have misunderstood that.Leon said:
Well, they have a lovely large tourist industry - relative to their size - which sells the Faroes as this amazing, unspoiled, Edenic destination. Shame if something ever happened to that industry, like a worldwide boycott ensuring its collapseFarooq said:
Or else what?Leon said:I don’t want to bang on, but the details of that Faroese dolphin hunt are truly distressing. Using jet skis and speedboats they pursued this huge, tiring pod of dolphins for hours. Eventually cornering them on that beach, where they were incompetently slaughtered by fools. Some taking ages to die
One thousand five hundred dolphins
I can understand why a poor, primitive society might need to hunt cetaceans to get by. The Faroese are enormously rich. They’re not going to starve whatever they kill. They can’t eat 1500 dolphins, anyway
So it was mass killing for the sake of mass killing. The joy of sadistic butchery. What the Hell
I don’t normally get that exercised by ‘ecological’ issues but this is horrible.
Nick Palmer! This is your job. The world needs to tell the Faroes: Stop, or else
Personally, I’ve always wanted to visit the Faroes. They are meant to be amazing. But I won’t go now, not unless they stop this shit. Personal choice, is all
See below for gut-wrenching mass slaughter of the magnificent and beautiful tuna:
https://theconversation.com/tuna-or-not-tuna-the-real-cost-of-taking-a-fish-out-of-water-2825
The industrialized fishing of tuna is grisly, but at least the tuna are eaten. And the noble tuna is not a highly intelligent mammal like the dolphin
The pointless slaughter of 1400 dolphins for no other reason than sadistic pleasure is in a different and darker moral place0 -
Unless someone really, really doesn't like Mr Gove.Omnium said:
I'm sceptical of all these reshuffle rumours. And Gove to FO seems unlikely if he doesn't like flying.noneoftheabove said:
So the worst cabinet minister in decades to a place where there is a real risk of terrorism re-emerging? Okay.......CarlottaVance said:Hearing that Boris Johnson will reshuffle his top team after PMQs.
A senior Tory MP tells me the rumoured moves are:
- Gove to Foreign Office
- Dowden to Education
- Gavin Williamson to Northern Ireland
- Nigel Adams (poss) to DCMS
- Simon Hart out, Craig Williams in Wales
https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1438084381067956225?s=20
(Of course sooner or later one of these rumours will prove true)1 -
Just come off of LinkedIn?Casino_Royale said:
This is becoming increasingly common week by week.Taz said:
I’ve noticed on LinkedIn people putting pronouns on their profiles. Someone at work even has theirs in their sig.Cookie said:
Good God yes. "They" as use for a single person winds me right up. This predates the trans wars - from the 90s or thereabouts 'they' has been used to refer to a person whose sex you don't know, to avoid the clunky 'his or hers'. Once upon a time, we had a term for singular/gender ambiguous: it was 'his'. 'His' could mean either 'his' in its modern sense or 'his or hers'. But it fell out of favour for understandable reasons.RochdalePioneers said:
Thanks so much for posting all this. Its one hell of an issue where as every opinion seems to generate rage from one group or another I tend to stay away. And that is despite my eldest now identifying as non-binary and in their* second relationship with a trans man.Cyclefree said:The reason I think you are missing the point is this. No-one denies that those people who are genuinely dysphoric need help and resources and to be free from attack and prejudice. I absolutely share your concern about this. If trans activists were genuinely concerned about this, they would be campaigning loudly for more resources for dysphoric people. But they aren't. They are focusing on attacking women who raise concerns and this comes across to women as little more than male bullying and men telling women what being a women is.
But the issue is that if you have effective self-ID with no independent objective verifiable gatekeeping of whether someone really is dysphoric then it provides a bloody great loophole for men who are not trans saying that they are in order to access and attack women. And there is plenty of evidence that sexual predators will do just that and are doing so - in prisons and elsewhere.
The other point is this: 80% of genuine transwomen do not have surgery so they remain with a male body. They have the strength and and ability of a man and there is no way of distinguishing between a man with a male body and a man who has gender dysphoria. So that is why - as a matter of safeguarding - you keep all male bodies out of women only spaces. Otherwise you can have no effective safeguarding.
If anyone can identify themselves into a category, then that category ceases to exist. And the rights based on that category - not to be discriminated against - effectively cease to exist. That is the concern women have. Womanhood is not a feeling. It is an objective biological and scientific fact and those who claim that women have penises and men have cervixes and that a man can, just like that, say he is a woman and access women's services is talking nonsense.
One final fact for you: the majority of men claiming to be trans in prisons in the U.K. at the moment are men who have been convicted of sexual offences against women and children. They were not trans when they were free and committing their offences. But they did somehow claim to be this when they got locked up. They do not have gender recognition certificates. They have not gone though any sort of transition. They have not been medically diagnosed. Odd that. And that is why women are concerned - that this is a loophole which puts them at risk, a very real risk, as the High Court recently recognised.
As this is a subject which does not interest everyone I post here the attached helpful guide - written by a woman, a teacher, a Labour Party member of long standing and married to a transwoman. So someone who knows rather more than most the realities around this topic - https://gcritical.org/introduction/.
*WTF is this "they/they're bullshit? As the person in question is not plural (or gestalt, or schizophrenic) why is the apparent pronoun for a non-binary person plural? I had no problem with the name change (as I didn't have anything to do with the birth name chosen anyway...) but the pronoun thing drives me nuts. As does the lack of a neutral alternative to son/daughter that isn't archaic like issue / progeny / offspring / scion etc
OK. Whine over.
'It' is the gender-neutral term, but I can understand why it isn't used in this instance. Though if 'it' had historically been the term to use for 'his or hers' it wouldn't have its slightly pejorative overtones now.
It puts pressure on those who don't to do the same less they attract the finger of suspicion as "transphobic".
I was on it for about 10 years - I never saw a single benefit. Cancelled my logon when they gave all the passwords away.0 -
Well, people certainly don't trust Boris but they do at least half-like him or are entertained by him. I think his government is shambolic and incompetent, myself, with a few bright spots of talent. It would be hugely improved by a new Conservative leader, which is why I support one.LostPassword said:
Why did Brown lose in 2010?Casino_Royale said:Council tax going up, NI going up, income tax thresholds being frozen, jump in fuel prices, large jump in energy prices, all round price inflation, squeeze on public spending post-Covid... possibly an interest rate rise to dampen it down.
Anyone who thinks another Conservative majority is a shoe-in for 2023/2024 isn't thinking properly.
It wasn't because of the Financial Crash. It was because the Tories successfully pinned the blame for the financial crash onto Labour. It was a political defeat.
You paint a picture of rocky times ahead, but regardless of what I might think about Johnson's handling of the pandemic or Brexit, the Opposition would have to pin the blame on Johnson for him to suffer electorally. My sense is that people generally pin the blame on the virus, because the Opposition have failed to win the political argument.
In difficult times who will voters trust? Will they trust the politician who delivered Brexit and vaccines, as promised, to steer them through this latest crisis? Or will they trust a politician so scared of divisions within his own party that he won't tell the voters what he stands for?
Labour has a very similar problem. Starmer is a dud and what's keeping Boris in office at present.0 -
Your last point is their best tactic. As Starmer well knows. That's why he's doing it.gealbhan said:
“ Anyone who thinks another Conservative majority is a shoe-in for 2023/2024 isn't thinking properly. “Stocky said:
Not sure. Talked to a few strong Tories over the weekend, post the tax rise news. The responses can be summarised as: "The pandemic has cost a fortune - of course taxes were going to rise. What did people expect".Casino_Royale said:Council tax going up, NI going up, income tax thresholds being frozen, jump in fuel prices, large jump in energy prices, all round price inflation, squeeze on public spending post-Covid... possibly an interest rate rise to dampen it down.
Anyone who thinks another Conservative majority is a shoe-in for 2023/2024 isn't thinking properly.
For all those not thinking properly people, who think all an opposition has to do to gain government is Pfaff around with balloons and wait for a recession to come along, 1992 says hello.
UPDATE light bulb moment, send Starmer and Rayner into their potting sheds instead of campaigning, so they cannot cost Labour votes. NOTE this actually happened0 -
They could also be orders of magnitude smaller than us.Morris_Dancer said:Mr/Ms (I'm sorry, I'm terribly at remembering certain people) Moonshine, it's fascinating to consider whether aliens are likely to be friendly or aggressive.
Also irrelevant, as they're likely to be orders of magnitude more powerful than we are.1 -
if you're not vegan you've got just as much blood on your hands.Leon said:
The images make me sick, and angry. I confess this is true. I’m not ‘virtue signaling’ tho. My ‘rabid’ ranting is sincere. As I said, just ignore meTaz said:
I don’t approve, I don’t agree, but I don’t care for your ranting, rabid, virtue signalling and demands they change something you don’t like. I’d rather engage with them.Leon said:
Tell you what, ignore me. I don’t mind. But look at the photos I linked, and decide how you feelTaz said:
You are extremely arrogant, and typical of the neocon mindset.Leon said:
It’s not ‘arrogance’. Ffs. It’s basic humanity. Also the Faroes are themselves a wealthy white western nation. Much wealthier than us, per capitaTaz said:
Yes, the world needs more arrogant white western nations dictating their will to remote communities. Worked so well so far.Leon said:I don’t want to bang on, but the details of that Faroese dolphin hunt are truly distressing. Using jet skis and speedboats they pursued this huge, tiring pod of dolphins for hours. Eventually cornering them on that beach, where they were incompetently slaughtered by fools. Some taking ages to die
One thousand five hundred dolphins
I can understand why a poor, primitive society might need to hunt cetaceans to get by. The Faroese are enormously rich. They’re not going to starve whatever they kill. They can’t eat 1500 dolphins, anyway
So it was mass killing for the sake of mass killing. The joy of sadistic butchery. What the Hell
I don’t normally get that exercised by ‘ecological’ issues but this is horrible.
Nick Palmer! This is your job. The world needs to tell the Faroes: Stop, or else
Perhaps engaging with them may be a better Approach than just telling them.
Also, the world HAS politely asked them to stop doing this, for many years. They just ignore it. Because this senseless killing (which gets more horrific by the year) is an ‘ancient tradition’. Yes. The ‘ancient tradition’ of pursuing a thousand dolphins on jet skis then using power drills to lazily chop them to death
Enough polite asking. Fuck their tourist industry. That would be a good place to start
Your views are right and must be imposed by fair means or foul.
Sod other cultures traditions if they offend white middle class arrogant western sensibilities.
Engaging is the best way.
You are clearly confusing disagreeing with your approach with agreeing or supporting what they are doing.
One of the Faroese guys laughing as he ineptly chops a dolphin to death is wearing a Che tee shirt. The depths of irony0 -
Mr. Royale, sounds a bit like Twitter.
This is more cultish nonsense, pretending physical biology doesn't exist or matter even though it's literally a matter of fact.1 -
'Vagina fetishists'? Perhaps that'll be coopted as the term for 'traditional' lesbians. Either way its a bloody bizarre term of abuse.Taz said:
Lesbian dating agencies have plenty of ‘trans women’ on them. Which is fine if they want that but it is the guilt shaming and torrent of abuse they get for wishing to enjoy a single sex attraction and abuse as ‘vagina fetishists’Stocky said:See this:
"lesbian women must consider trans women as potential sexual partners"
https://terfisaslur.com/cotton-ceiling/
Oddly gay men don’t seem to get the same level of abuse about dating trans men.0 -
See also Tony Blair, and - dare I say it - Boris Johnson.Malmesbury said:
Yes - Labour were scrambling around to find an attack line on him. Everything seemed to kind of slide off.another_richard said:
He was enough of a winner to have won the 2007 local elections by 13% with a gain of 932 councillors.CorrectHorseBattery said:I don’t think anyone was calling Cameron a winner at this point during the 2005-2010 period
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United_Kingdom_local_elections
I remember when they tried https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_the_Chameleon - Cameron killed it by commenting that his children rather liked it.
The effective combination he had was 1) actually changing the Conservative party 2) setting out a plan of what he wanted to do 3) being entirely comfortable with being David Cameron.0 -
Not sure I’ve ever said! Mr.Morris_Dancer said:Mr/Ms (I'm sorry, I'm terribly at remembering certain people) Moonshine, it's fascinating to consider whether aliens are likely to be friendly or aggressive.
Also irrelevant, as they're likely to be orders of magnitude more powerful than we are.
Yes indeed. They might be friendly to us so long as we stay where we are. We are generally pretty agnostic to crocodiles when they stay in the Congo river. If they figured out how to build a helicopter and started wandering about the Birmingham Bull Ring they’d get dispatched pretty sharpish.
Pretty clear to me now that Senator Nelson’s “tangible UFOs” have been around for a very long time indeed and we are still here. So that’s something in the “friendly little fella” column. Assuming that they are being actively controlled and are not a self powered and self piloted relic technology of a long extinct civilisation, terrestrial or otherwise.0 -
In some industries LinkedIn is important for finding work. If you're not on there you may as well not exist.Benpointer said:
Just come off of LinkedIn?Casino_Royale said:
This is becoming increasingly common week by week.Taz said:
I’ve noticed on LinkedIn people putting pronouns on their profiles. Someone at work even has theirs in their sig.Cookie said:
Good God yes. "They" as use for a single person winds me right up. This predates the trans wars - from the 90s or thereabouts 'they' has been used to refer to a person whose sex you don't know, to avoid the clunky 'his or hers'. Once upon a time, we had a term for singular/gender ambiguous: it was 'his'. 'His' could mean either 'his' in its modern sense or 'his or hers'. But it fell out of favour for understandable reasons.RochdalePioneers said:
Thanks so much for posting all this. Its one hell of an issue where as every opinion seems to generate rage from one group or another I tend to stay away. And that is despite my eldest now identifying as non-binary and in their* second relationship with a trans man.Cyclefree said:The reason I think you are missing the point is this. No-one denies that those people who are genuinely dysphoric need help and resources and to be free from attack and prejudice. I absolutely share your concern about this. If trans activists were genuinely concerned about this, they would be campaigning loudly for more resources for dysphoric people. But they aren't. They are focusing on attacking women who raise concerns and this comes across to women as little more than male bullying and men telling women what being a women is.
But the issue is that if you have effective self-ID with no independent objective verifiable gatekeeping of whether someone really is dysphoric then it provides a bloody great loophole for men who are not trans saying that they are in order to access and attack women. And there is plenty of evidence that sexual predators will do just that and are doing so - in prisons and elsewhere.
The other point is this: 80% of genuine transwomen do not have surgery so they remain with a male body. They have the strength and and ability of a man and there is no way of distinguishing between a man with a male body and a man who has gender dysphoria. So that is why - as a matter of safeguarding - you keep all male bodies out of women only spaces. Otherwise you can have no effective safeguarding.
If anyone can identify themselves into a category, then that category ceases to exist. And the rights based on that category - not to be discriminated against - effectively cease to exist. That is the concern women have. Womanhood is not a feeling. It is an objective biological and scientific fact and those who claim that women have penises and men have cervixes and that a man can, just like that, say he is a woman and access women's services is talking nonsense.
One final fact for you: the majority of men claiming to be trans in prisons in the U.K. at the moment are men who have been convicted of sexual offences against women and children. They were not trans when they were free and committing their offences. But they did somehow claim to be this when they got locked up. They do not have gender recognition certificates. They have not gone though any sort of transition. They have not been medically diagnosed. Odd that. And that is why women are concerned - that this is a loophole which puts them at risk, a very real risk, as the High Court recently recognised.
As this is a subject which does not interest everyone I post here the attached helpful guide - written by a woman, a teacher, a Labour Party member of long standing and married to a transwoman. So someone who knows rather more than most the realities around this topic - https://gcritical.org/introduction/.
*WTF is this "they/they're bullshit? As the person in question is not plural (or gestalt, or schizophrenic) why is the apparent pronoun for a non-binary person plural? I had no problem with the name change (as I didn't have anything to do with the birth name chosen anyway...) but the pronoun thing drives me nuts. As does the lack of a neutral alternative to son/daughter that isn't archaic like issue / progeny / offspring / scion etc
OK. Whine over.
'It' is the gender-neutral term, but I can understand why it isn't used in this instance. Though if 'it' had historically been the term to use for 'his or hers' it wouldn't have its slightly pejorative overtones now.
It puts pressure on those who don't to do the same less they attract the finger of suspicion as "transphobic".
I was on it for about 10 years - I never saw a single benefit. Cancelled my logon when they gave all the passwords away.0 -
As I get older my meat eating troubles me more - the more I learn. I might one day end up vegan.Dura_Ace said:
if you're not vegan you've got just as much blood on your hands.Leon said:
The images make me sick, and angry. I confess this is true. I’m not ‘virtue signaling’ tho. My ‘rabid’ ranting is sincere. As I said, just ignore meTaz said:
I don’t approve, I don’t agree, but I don’t care for your ranting, rabid, virtue signalling and demands they change something you don’t like. I’d rather engage with them.Leon said:
Tell you what, ignore me. I don’t mind. But look at the photos I linked, and decide how you feelTaz said:
You are extremely arrogant, and typical of the neocon mindset.Leon said:
It’s not ‘arrogance’. Ffs. It’s basic humanity. Also the Faroes are themselves a wealthy white western nation. Much wealthier than us, per capitaTaz said:
Yes, the world needs more arrogant white western nations dictating their will to remote communities. Worked so well so far.Leon said:I don’t want to bang on, but the details of that Faroese dolphin hunt are truly distressing. Using jet skis and speedboats they pursued this huge, tiring pod of dolphins for hours. Eventually cornering them on that beach, where they were incompetently slaughtered by fools. Some taking ages to die
One thousand five hundred dolphins
I can understand why a poor, primitive society might need to hunt cetaceans to get by. The Faroese are enormously rich. They’re not going to starve whatever they kill. They can’t eat 1500 dolphins, anyway
So it was mass killing for the sake of mass killing. The joy of sadistic butchery. What the Hell
I don’t normally get that exercised by ‘ecological’ issues but this is horrible.
Nick Palmer! This is your job. The world needs to tell the Faroes: Stop, or else
Perhaps engaging with them may be a better Approach than just telling them.
Also, the world HAS politely asked them to stop doing this, for many years. They just ignore it. Because this senseless killing (which gets more horrific by the year) is an ‘ancient tradition’. Yes. The ‘ancient tradition’ of pursuing a thousand dolphins on jet skis then using power drills to lazily chop them to death
Enough polite asking. Fuck their tourist industry. That would be a good place to start
Your views are right and must be imposed by fair means or foul.
Sod other cultures traditions if they offend white middle class arrogant western sensibilities.
Engaging is the best way.
You are clearly confusing disagreeing with your approach with agreeing or supporting what they are doing.
One of the Faroese guys laughing as he ineptly chops a dolphin to death is wearing a Che tee shirt. The depths of irony
Hey, I’m on a journey and at least I’ve started0 -
They know what they've done.eek said:
WTF have Northern Ireland done to deserve that.CarlottaVance said:Hearing that Boris Johnson will reshuffle his top team after PMQs.
A senior Tory MP tells me the rumoured moves are:
- Gove to Foreign Office
- Dowden to Education
- Gavin Williamson to Northern Ireland
- Nigel Adams (poss) to DCMS
- Simon Hart out, Craig Williams in Wales
https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1438084381067956225?s=20
More seriously, Williamson would surely quit rather than take that, it's so clearly a major demotion.0 -
https://twitter.com/john_actuary/status/1438067407290048514
So not only are SAGE cooking up utterly laughable scenarios to scare people with again, they're also publishing false data to suggest vaccines lose effectiveness over time.0 -
Excellent first question from Starmer.0
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Reality is full of ideological let downs unfortunately.Stocky said:
Shocking.MrEd said:
That site is horrendous.Taz said:
He turned up to Manchester Pride in an LGB Alliance cap and shirt. LGB Alliance are not anti trans, they are pro same sex.kinabalu said:
Manchester. The man turned up to a pro-trans event in anti-trans tee shirt. He was jeered and had his hat nicked. Not great but hardly as presented. And both sides are guilty of abusing stats. Eg the "48% of transwomen in prison are in for sex crimes" as featured on here the other day, this one should carry an enormous health warning, as is obvious when you dig into it, yet it's been used to float all sorts of prejudiced garbage. And as for homophobia you should just see some of the stuff posted by some of the more extreme anti-trans obsessives (mainly blokes of a highly unreconstructed nature). There is simply no question that these are the sort of people who would have been battling against gay (or any minority apart from bigots) rights every step of the way. They probably still would be if they hadn't latched onto this. You make some great points, cyclefree, and put them well, and we're aren't as much at odds on this issue as it might appear, when it comes to what to do in practice, but boy are you a long way from being balanced. Which is fair enough, why argue the opposite case to the one you wish to push?, but I point this out in case people on here think otherwise. They should DTOR.Cyclefree said:In response to @JosiasJessop -
I am afraid that you are missing the point. Stonewall is not a reliable source because it now has a very specific agenda, namely, to abolish sex as a protected characteristic and sex-based rights under the Equality Act. The statistics about threats of suicide amongst young people claiming to be trans have been debunked - see the recent Alex Massie article on this in the Times. The recent Sonia Appleby whistleblowing case in relation to the Tavistock Centre and how it deals with children is well worth a read, not least because it sheds light on some of the very dubious behaviour of organisations like Mermaids. Ditto the Keira Bell case. The experimentation on children claiming to be dysphoric, many of whom are autistic and/or gay, using untested drugs with horrific and irreversible side effects with scarce regard for the Gillick comepetence test is an absolute scandal.
It is not simply one MP who has been attacked. There was a recent Pride March in Manchester where a gay man was attacked by the marchers and had to be escorted off by the police for his own safety. At that same march one of the marching female vicars claimed that gender ideology meant that homosexuality did not exist. Lesbians have been attacked - here and in France - for asserting that same sex attraction is real and that men with penises are not women or lesbians no matter what they say or feel. There is an undeniable homophobic element to the gender ideology movement because it denies that sex matters, one reason why lesbians and some gay people have founded their own separate organisation because they no longer feel that Stonewall represents their interests. In the recent London Pride march there were banners calling for JK Rowling to be killed with no action taken. In the US a man walked into a spa naked with an erect penis and claimed to be trans. In fact it turned out he was a sexual predator with a history of offending who has now been charged. When the story first came out the pro-trans lobby attacked the women who complained accusing them of fascism and a whole load besides but have been very silent when the facts since came out. In Scotland the male trans head of a rape charity has stated that rape victims need to be "cleansed" of their transphobic views before accessing the charity's services. Just pause on that - women who have been attacked by men need to be cleansed of their views because they must be transphobic if they do not want a male counsellor to help them through their trauma. A woman asking about the single sex exemptions under the Equality Act was thrown out of the meeting.
Indeed they are being targeted by pro trans fanatics attacking their charitable status through the courts for no better reason than to silence them.
You want bigotry. Read this.
Www.terfisaslur.com
Little short of a terrorist group. Anti-science and rationality - spouting delusion:
"Acknowledging the existence of female biology is transphobic or cissexist"1 -
Fire at UK substation - out until mid-October at leastsquareroot2 said:
Why have we lost the electricity interconnector?williamglenn said:UK natural gas wholesale prices are ***jumping ~20% today*** to fresh record high as trades brace for more UK gas-fired power station demand after the loss of a key electricity interconnector between UK and France
https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1438066309485445128
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-15/fire-hits-key-power-converter-station-linking-u-k-to-france0 -
Woke up today, slept terribly. Feeling awful.
Managed to work up the effort to get a workout in and feeling so much better.
Hope you’re all keeping well.0 -
Tuna, as a species, is far more threatened than dolphins are. But I agree that slaughtering a wild mammal seems even more grisly to us than slaughtering a fish.Leon said:
I only ever eat sustainable fish, if at all possible (sometimes abroad it’s not possible to know)Stocky said:
Other countries do it as well, of course. Inc Japan.Leon said:
As I said to Taz, please ignore me. But look at the photos I linked, and decide for yourselfFarooq said:
You seem to be saying that I shouldn't be allowed to go to the Faroes because you don't approve of something some people have been allowed to do. Hope I have misunderstood that.Leon said:
Well, they have a lovely large tourist industry - relative to their size - which sells the Faroes as this amazing, unspoiled, Edenic destination. Shame if something ever happened to that industry, like a worldwide boycott ensuring its collapseFarooq said:
Or else what?Leon said:I don’t want to bang on, but the details of that Faroese dolphin hunt are truly distressing. Using jet skis and speedboats they pursued this huge, tiring pod of dolphins for hours. Eventually cornering them on that beach, where they were incompetently slaughtered by fools. Some taking ages to die
One thousand five hundred dolphins
I can understand why a poor, primitive society might need to hunt cetaceans to get by. The Faroese are enormously rich. They’re not going to starve whatever they kill. They can’t eat 1500 dolphins, anyway
So it was mass killing for the sake of mass killing. The joy of sadistic butchery. What the Hell
I don’t normally get that exercised by ‘ecological’ issues but this is horrible.
Nick Palmer! This is your job. The world needs to tell the Faroes: Stop, or else
Personally, I’ve always wanted to visit the Faroes. They are meant to be amazing. But I won’t go now, not unless they stop this shit. Personal choice, is all
See below for gut-wrenching mass slaughter of the magnificent and beautiful tuna:
https://theconversation.com/tuna-or-not-tuna-the-real-cost-of-taking-a-fish-out-of-water-2825
The industrialized fishing of tuna is grisly, but at least the tuna are eaten. And the noble tuna is not a highly intelligent mammal like the dolphin
The pointless slaughter of 1400 dolphins for no other reason than sadistic pleasure is in a different and darker moral place
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Over the years I'm afraid they have done rather a lot to deserve that.eek said:
WTF have Northern Ireland done to deserve that.CarlottaVance said:Hearing that Boris Johnson will reshuffle his top team after PMQs.
A senior Tory MP tells me the rumoured moves are:
- Gove to Foreign Office
- Dowden to Education
- Gavin Williamson to Northern Ireland
- Nigel Adams (poss) to DCMS
- Simon Hart out, Craig Williams in Wales
https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1438084381067956225?s=20
Also exactly what highly embarrassing items does Mr Williamson have on Boris that makes him unsackable.0 -
Completely unanswered by Johnson.Philip_Thompson said:Excellent first question from Starmer.
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It's not false data, just an older version of the plot.maaarsh said:https://twitter.com/john_actuary/status/1438067407290048514
So not only are SAGE cooking up utterly laughable scenarios to scare people with again, they're also publishing false data to suggest vaccines lose effectiveness over time.0 -
Fire.squareroot2 said:
Why have we lost the electricity interconnector?williamglenn said:UK natural gas wholesale prices are ***jumping ~20% today*** to fresh record high as trades brace for more UK gas-fired power station demand after the loss of a key electricity interconnector between UK and France
https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1438066309485445128
Whilst transformer fires aren't uncommon, if you wanted to cause economic chaos, damaging the interconnectors would be a good way to go about it.
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I read about it recently in contrast with its neighbour on Hispaniola, the Dominican Republic, which has had its fair share of major troubles, political and otherwise, yet despite it starting out with Haiti seeming the stronger, development in the last 50 years has seen it be in a much stronger position (albeit not strong in global terms).JosiasJessop said:
If Haiti doesn't exist, then there's a very big Haiti-sized hole in my atlas...Charles said:
What’s does “sources with knowledge of Haiti” actually mean?kle4 said:I don't see anything suspicious about this at all.
Haiti's Prime Minister Ariel Henry has been banned from leaving the country amid an investigation into his alleged involvement in the assassination of President Jovenel Moïse.
A prosecutor is seeking charges against Mr Henry, who has been asked to explain his links with a key suspect in the killing, Joseph Felix Badio.
Records show the two men had multiple phone calls just hours after the assassination, prosecutors say...
On Monday, Mr Henry sent a letter purportedly sacking Chief Prosecutor Bed-Ford Claude and accusing him of a "serious administrative offence". He later nominated a replacement.
However, on Tuesday Mr Claude appeared to remain in his post as he asked a judge investigating the murder of Mr Moïse to charge the prime minister over his "suspected" involvement in the case.
Sources with knowledge of Haiti say it is not in the prime minister's remit to dismiss the prosecutor.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-58564831
I know Haiti exists*. Therefore I have knowledge of Haiti.
* although, on second thoughts, I have never been there so - more correctly - I believe Haiti exists
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Are there any examples of government reshuffles improving things?kle4 said:
He should have done it sooner, since it's been in the offing for ages - now it'll be portrayed as partly in a 'panic' because god forbid the government should fall behind at some point.CarlottaVance said:The ever reliable...(sic):
Cabinet is on reshuffle red alert, partly because the official drivers have been told to ready to ferry ministers at short notice. “I am hearing it could come later today and tomorrow” said one senior member of the government.
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1438035709160476683?s=20
OK, you have to do them from time to time (let the cream rise, ditch the dregs), but from memory they normally create more problems than they solve. You create some unhappy bunnies and new ministers take time to get up to speed.
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It was out of date at the time of publishing. To say it didn't used to be false is little comfort.RobD said:
It's not false data, just an older version of the plot.maaarsh said:https://twitter.com/john_actuary/status/1438067407290048514
So not only are SAGE cooking up utterly laughable scenarios to scare people with again, they're also publishing false data to suggest vaccines lose effectiveness over time.0 -
Abuse because of ones' sexual preference was wrong in the past, and it's wrong now.kle4 said:
'Vagina fetishists'? Perhaps that'll be coopted as the term for 'traditional' lesbians. Either way its a bloody bizarre term of abuse.Taz said:
Lesbian dating agencies have plenty of ‘trans women’ on them. Which is fine if they want that but it is the guilt shaming and torrent of abuse they get for wishing to enjoy a single sex attraction and abuse as ‘vagina fetishists’Stocky said:See this:
"lesbian women must consider trans women as potential sexual partners"
https://terfisaslur.com/cotton-ceiling/
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That's expected with good questions. The key is whether he looked particularly silly or under pressure in not answering it.rottenborough said:
Completely unanswered by Johnson.Philip_Thompson said:Excellent first question from Starmer.
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One issue that this whole UniCredit/extra hours controversy puts front and centre is that many on Uni Credit *do* work.
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Was it? The pre-print came out yesterday. I'm sorry, but it's not false, and the two datasets are even consistent with one another.maaarsh said:
It was out of date at the time of publishing. To say it didn't used to be false is little comfort.RobD said:
It's not false data, just an older version of the plot.maaarsh said:https://twitter.com/john_actuary/status/1438067407290048514
So not only are SAGE cooking up utterly laughable scenarios to scare people with again, they're also publishing false data to suggest vaccines lose effectiveness over time.0 -
But it's neither strong Tories not strong Labourites who win and lose elections; its the floaters and stay at homers. There is no shoe-in ATM for 2023/4. Both Tories getting 326+, and no-one doing so are pretty equally balanced. All other results are out of sight.Stocky said:
Not sure. Talked to a few strong Tories over the weekend, post the tax rise news. The responses can be summarised as: "The pandemic has cost a fortune - of course taxes were going to rise. What did people expect".Casino_Royale said:Council tax going up, NI going up, income tax thresholds being frozen, jump in fuel prices, large jump in energy prices, all round price inflation, squeeze on public spending post-Covid... possibly an interest rate rise to dampen it down.
Anyone who thinks another Conservative majority is a shoe-in for 2023/2024 isn't thinking properly.
That might make the Tories just about the favourite to form the next government, and easily for most seats, but they have no friends to form a government with as things stand if they drop below c326.
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For which Johnson should have been prepared....Philip_Thompson said:Excellent first question from Starmer.
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It will be interesting up in the Red Wall come in 2023.
Will the real pocket book economics of things like the UC cut be weighed as more important than a load bluster and hot air about cultural issues, now that Brexit is done.1 -
Excellent point by Starmer pointing out that the real tax rate on the low paid is over 75%
Boris just waffling unable to answer, because there is no answer.
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I don't think anyone will really mind until it becomes policy that you must do it at somewhere high profile of significant (though perhaps I am wrong and it already is with some). I've definitely seen an increase of it in the last year, but it isn't a requirement yet.Casino_Royale said:
This is becoming increasingly common week by week.Taz said:
I’ve noticed on LinkedIn people putting pronouns on their profiles. Someone at work even has theirs in their sig.Cookie said:
Good God yes. "They" as use for a single person winds me right up. This predates the trans wars - from the 90s or thereabouts 'they' has been used to refer to a person whose sex you don't know, to avoid the clunky 'his or hers'. Once upon a time, we had a term for singular/gender ambiguous: it was 'his'. 'His' could mean either 'his' in its modern sense or 'his or hers'. But it fell out of favour for understandable reasons.RochdalePioneers said:
Thanks so much for posting all this. Its one hell of an issue where as every opinion seems to generate rage from one group or another I tend to stay away. And that is despite my eldest now identifying as non-binary and in their* second relationship with a trans man.Cyclefree said:The reason I think you are missing the point is this. No-one denies that those people who are genuinely dysphoric need help and resources and to be free from attack and prejudice. I absolutely share your concern about this. If trans activists were genuinely concerned about this, they would be campaigning loudly for more resources for dysphoric people. But they aren't. They are focusing on attacking women who raise concerns and this comes across to women as little more than male bullying and men telling women what being a women is.
But the issue is that if you have effective self-ID with no independent objective verifiable gatekeeping of whether someone really is dysphoric then it provides a bloody great loophole for men who are not trans saying that they are in order to access and attack women. And there is plenty of evidence that sexual predators will do just that and are doing so - in prisons and elsewhere.
The other point is this: 80% of genuine transwomen do not have surgery so they remain with a male body. They have the strength and and ability of a man and there is no way of distinguishing between a man with a male body and a man who has gender dysphoria. So that is why - as a matter of safeguarding - you keep all male bodies out of women only spaces. Otherwise you can have no effective safeguarding.
If anyone can identify themselves into a category, then that category ceases to exist. And the rights based on that category - not to be discriminated against - effectively cease to exist. That is the concern women have. Womanhood is not a feeling. It is an objective biological and scientific fact and those who claim that women have penises and men have cervixes and that a man can, just like that, say he is a woman and access women's services is talking nonsense.
One final fact for you: the majority of men claiming to be trans in prisons in the U.K. at the moment are men who have been convicted of sexual offences against women and children. They were not trans when they were free and committing their offences. But they did somehow claim to be this when they got locked up. They do not have gender recognition certificates. They have not gone though any sort of transition. They have not been medically diagnosed. Odd that. And that is why women are concerned - that this is a loophole which puts them at risk, a very real risk, as the High Court recently recognised.
As this is a subject which does not interest everyone I post here the attached helpful guide - written by a woman, a teacher, a Labour Party member of long standing and married to a transwoman. So someone who knows rather more than most the realities around this topic - https://gcritical.org/introduction/.
*WTF is this "they/they're bullshit? As the person in question is not plural (or gestalt, or schizophrenic) why is the apparent pronoun for a non-binary person plural? I had no problem with the name change (as I didn't have anything to do with the birth name chosen anyway...) but the pronoun thing drives me nuts. As does the lack of a neutral alternative to son/daughter that isn't archaic like issue / progeny / offspring / scion etc
OK. Whine over.
'It' is the gender-neutral term, but I can understand why it isn't used in this instance. Though if 'it' had historically been the term to use for 'his or hers' it wouldn't have its slightly pejorative overtones now.
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Yes. Loss of biodiversity is a bleak and depressing thing. I’m a big fan of rewildingStocky said:
Tuna, as a species, is far more threatened than dolphins are. But I agree that slaughtering a wild mammal seems even more grisly to us than slaughtering a fish.Leon said:
I only ever eat sustainable fish, if at all possible (sometimes abroad it’s not possible to know)Stocky said:
Other countries do it as well, of course. Inc Japan.Leon said:
As I said to Taz, please ignore me. But look at the photos I linked, and decide for yourselfFarooq said:
You seem to be saying that I shouldn't be allowed to go to the Faroes because you don't approve of something some people have been allowed to do. Hope I have misunderstood that.Leon said:
Well, they have a lovely large tourist industry - relative to their size - which sells the Faroes as this amazing, unspoiled, Edenic destination. Shame if something ever happened to that industry, like a worldwide boycott ensuring its collapseFarooq said:
Or else what?Leon said:I don’t want to bang on, but the details of that Faroese dolphin hunt are truly distressing. Using jet skis and speedboats they pursued this huge, tiring pod of dolphins for hours. Eventually cornering them on that beach, where they were incompetently slaughtered by fools. Some taking ages to die
One thousand five hundred dolphins
I can understand why a poor, primitive society might need to hunt cetaceans to get by. The Faroese are enormously rich. They’re not going to starve whatever they kill. They can’t eat 1500 dolphins, anyway
So it was mass killing for the sake of mass killing. The joy of sadistic butchery. What the Hell
I don’t normally get that exercised by ‘ecological’ issues but this is horrible.
Nick Palmer! This is your job. The world needs to tell the Faroes: Stop, or else
Personally, I’ve always wanted to visit the Faroes. They are meant to be amazing. But I won’t go now, not unless they stop this shit. Personal choice, is all
See below for gut-wrenching mass slaughter of the magnificent and beautiful tuna:
https://theconversation.com/tuna-or-not-tuna-the-real-cost-of-taking-a-fish-out-of-water-2825
The industrialized fishing of tuna is grisly, but at least the tuna are eaten. And the noble tuna is not a highly intelligent mammal like the dolphin
The pointless slaughter of 1400 dolphins for no other reason than sadistic pleasure is in a different and darker moral place
Loss of biodiversity is the most worrying environmental threat for me, it makes one wonder how much degradation it will take before our species stops. A rhetorical question because it never will.
Incidentally, last week in Lucerne I saw a sign saying ‘look out for beavers!’ - in the middle of the city
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SKS as PM is often interpreted as a done deal, if the Tories have been denied a bare majority.Stocky said:
The long-serving voters lost to the Tories are going to be difficult to get back because they are ideologically conservative in many ways and always have been. The spell is broken.gealbhan said:
Why should they go anywhere? They lost squillions of long serving votes to the Tories and are doing ZILCH, NIHIL, ABSOLUTELY NOWT to convince them to come back. If the government is rubbish (the last couple weeks they have been brilliant at protecting their 2019 voters) the worst that will happen is the voters Torys will keep again at the next election will merely go shy as don’t knows for mid term.MrEd said:
Labour down on that as well. They are just going nowheregealbhan said:
Labours Lexit glass ceiling. Stuck stuck stuck.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1438071413567594501
Tories into 39 with another pollster. Down down down
The disastrous position Labour find themselves in they need to be very very active at showing a government in waiting.
This is what the lost voters need to see for starters:
1. The leadership needs to show it has killer instinct the public are looking for, Starmer needs to put some underperforming heads on spikes ASAP - starting with Angela Rayner, Ashworth, Griffith, Smith.
2. Starmer needs to put poster boy of Remain and 2nd ref behind him, Starmer needs to communicate to the Lexits how he is going to build on the success of Brexit to level up their community and bring the good old days back. If he doesn’t do that he doesn’t get the vote back in the places he needs it.
Labour's hope is that he LDs can draw sufficient voters from the CP to deny the latter a majority.
What parties always say before the GE is always we won't be doing any deals.
What parties say after the election is determined by the arithmetic
The electorate have spoken and they don't want another election immediately. And the parties now have to sort it out.
If SKS has done well enough so that Lab + LibDems + Green can form a coalition, he will be fine. But, I don't seen any other combination being very viable.
If the Tories have lost their majority but remain the largest party, then they will be fine if they can buy another party off. And there will be parties willing to trade, no matter what they say now. Especially, as they can probably claim Boris' head.
But, I largely agree with @gealbhan 's analysis.
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You need to get over yourself, it's a great album!Cookie said:
Oh I do (implicitly concede) that Nick.NickPalmer said:
Without venturing into the intense debate on this issue, I think that anyone who gets worked up about language change is on a loser. I'm still resistant to "bored of" instead of "bored by", but I recognise that English has moved on and will get over it. Cookie implicitly concedes they (ha) don't have a viable alternative suggestion. There are some really difficult issues here, but the English language ain't one of them.Cookie said:
Good God yes. "They" as use for a single person winds me right up. This predates the trans wars - from the 90s or thereabouts 'they' has been used to refer to a person whose sex you don't know, to avoid the clunky 'his or hers'. Once upon a time, we had a term for singular/gender ambiguous: it was 'his'. 'His' could mean either 'his' in its modern sense or 'his or hers'. But it fell out of favour for understandable reasons.
'It' is the gender-neutral term, but I can understand why it isn't used in this instance. Though if 'it' had historically been the term to use for 'his or hers' it wouldn't have its slightly pejorative overtones now.
It would be very useful to have had a viable alternative back in the days when we needed it only for 'I may be referring to either a man or a woman'.
Though in all honesty - I am a middle aged suburban northerner after all - I can't help feeling that anyone who rejects the use of both 'he' and 'she' is being a tad self-indulgent. But that is a separate point. The point is that 'they' already means something else and when you use it to mean a single person you are using it wrongly. (And if you use it to refer to a single person, you should be saying 'They is', not 'They are'.)
But anyway, we SHOULD rail against the lazy or inaccurate use of language. I will happily join you in your crusade against 'bored of'. Similarly, I always flinch slightly at 'try and' rather than 'try to'. And I will silently seethe at the use of 'disinterested' to mean 'indifferent'. (I cannot enjoy the Elbow album 'The Seldom Seen Kid' until after the first two minutes, which I spend cringing with anticipation of the lyric 'a weary and disinterested sigh'.)
I don't mind ADDING to language. But losing perfectly serviceable words because someone has decided those words now mean something else upsets me. Just act 'disinterested' 
I had a teacher in primary school who would correct me if I wrote or said "try to", telling me it should be "try and". Took me a few years to unlearn doing it wrong.
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Well it's not a UC cut is it, as well as Starmer knows. It was a temporary measure.kle4 said:
That's expected with good questions. The key is whether he looked particularly silly or under pressure in not answering it.rottenborough said:
Completely unanswered by Johnson.Philip_Thompson said:Excellent first question from Starmer.
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