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contrarian said:

DougSeal said:

contrarian said:

DougSeal said:

contrarian said:

rcs1000 said:

YoungTurk said:

On-topic, because it's about the idea of experimentation, lol:

FPT

CarlottaVance said:

"I'm not taking part in this vaccine experiment"

You are. You're the control group.
Currently around 10% in the UK
....and 80% in ICU

https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1421527009549856772?s=20

This is getting crazy. Some anti-vaxers say the state wants to get rid of them so that there is no unvaxed control group to compare the vaxed with, and now anti-anti-vaxers are telling anti-vaxers that they've got news for them and in fact they ARE the control group. Few on either side understand where the other side is coming from.

Also, if the state was going to exterminate one group, it wouldn’t be the compliant group who did what they were told.

It makes you wonder why the Democrat administration of America is so anxious to get all those Trump republicans vaxxed.

To stop them getting ill and dying?

LOL

Some people care about their fellow human beings. You’re not one of them.

The notion that Democrats 'care' about the health of Trumpist Republicans is one of the more interesting delusions I have read on here.

Stark_Dawning said:

DougSeal said:

WTF does the below sentence even mean? I’m saving this for the next time TSE extols the superiority of a Cambridge education-

“ A consultative referendum will be argued it is lawful for Betfair’s rules.”

May my humble Oxford educated self suggest it should perhaps read -

“It will doubtless be argued that a consultative referendum is lawful for the purposes of Betfair’s rules.”

?

Shouldn't you at least be able to write coherently before you're let in to either of those places?

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fuck you Fernando.

tlg86 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fuck you Fernando.

That was moderately entertaining. Funny how a track with a bad reputation actually produces good racing.

Leon said:

Talking of population growth (as we were), here’s an impressive example of experts getting predictions utterly wrong. This is the UN’s central projection for the UK population back in 1998


‘Scenario I, which is the medium variant of the 1998 United Nations projections, assumes a total of 1.2 million net migrants between 1995 and 2050. From 1995 to 2025, 40,000 persons would enter Britain annually and none after 2025. The overall population of the United Kingdom would increase from 58.3 million in 1995 to 59.9 million in 2025 and thereafter decline to 56.6 million in 2050’

As of July 2021 the UK population is 68,200,000

https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/ageing/replacement-chap4-uk.pdf

contrarian said:

ydoethur said:

To all trying to engage with the troll:

I admire your patience, but it’s pointless. He will never admit a lie, a mistake, or a wrong assumption.

And he gets very nasty when reality is brought in, and whines about being told off.

Just ignore.

These were articles of faith on here just months ago.

No scientists have an agenda that's not science.
Lockdowns are necessary and useful.

Now, you would struggle to find a single advocate for a policy that was defended to the hilt only weeks ago, and you would struggle to find a single poster who didn't look sideways at some scientists.

Most opinions have shifted 180. I have never changed mine. Why wouldn't I challenge every single thing that's taken as an article of faith on here??

ydoethur said:

contrarian said:

ydoethur said:

To all trying to engage with the troll:

I admire your patience, but it’s pointless. He will never admit a lie, a mistake, or a wrong assumption.

And he gets very nasty when reality is brought in, and whines about being told off.

Just ignore.

These were articles of faith on here just months ago.

No scientists have an agenda that's not science.
Lockdowns are necessary and useful.

Now, you would struggle to find a single advocate for a policy that was defended to the hilt only weeks ago, and you would struggle to find a single poster who didn't look sideways at some scientists.

Most opinions have shifted 180. I have never changed mine. Why wouldn't I challenge every single thing that's taken as an article of faith on here??

No, you’ve never changed your views, apart from now forcing an extension of the lockdowns you profess to despise.

You’re also still talking worthless bullshit while bullying others and whining about receiving entirely legitimate criticism for your lies and falsifications.

You have neither courage nor integrity, nor have you ever said anything worth listening to.

Frankly, you’re a dead loss as far as discussion goes.

Which is why I’m advising everyone to ignore you.

Which is what I will be doing again on this thread, although I’ve no doubt you’ll be your usual abusive and dishonest self in response to this post.

contrarian said:

DougSeal said:

contrarian said:

DougSeal said:

contrarian said:

DougSeal said:

contrarian said:

rcs1000 said:

YoungTurk said:

On-topic, because it's about the idea of experimentation, lol:

FPT

CarlottaVance said:

"I'm not taking part in this vaccine experiment"

You are. You're the control group.
Currently around 10% in the UK
....and 80% in ICU

https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1421527009549856772?s=20

This is getting crazy. Some anti-vaxers say the state wants to get rid of them so that there is no unvaxed control group to compare the vaxed with, and now anti-anti-vaxers are telling anti-vaxers that they've got news for them and in fact they ARE the control group. Few on either side understand where the other side is coming from.

Also, if the state was going to exterminate one group, it wouldn’t be the compliant group who did what they were told.

It makes you wonder why the Democrat administration of America is so anxious to get all those Trump republicans vaxxed.

To stop them getting ill and dying?

LOL

Some people care about their fellow human beings. You’re not one of them.

The notion that Democrats 'care' about the health of Trumpist Republicans is one of the more interesting delusions I have read on here.

Hardly delusional. My wife is a registered Democrat and I confirm she cares more about her fellow human beings, including Republicans many of whom are in her family, than you probably care about any other person.

We need hardly look further than the appalling case of the Lambeth care homes to find out how much the left 'care' about their fellow human beings.

ydoethur said:

contrarian said:

ydoethur said:

To all trying to engage with the troll:

I admire your patience, but it’s pointless. He will never admit a lie, a mistake, or a wrong assumption.

And he gets very nasty when reality is brought in, and whines about being told off.

Just ignore.

These were articles of faith on here just months ago.

No scientists have an agenda that's not science.
Lockdowns are necessary and useful.

Now, you would struggle to find a single advocate for a policy that was defended to the hilt only weeks ago, and you would struggle to find a single poster who didn't look sideways at some scientists.

Most opinions have shifted 180. I have never changed mine. Why wouldn't I challenge every single thing that's taken as an article of faith on here??

No, you’ve never changed your views, apart from now forcing an extension of the lockdowns you profess to despise.

You’re also still talking worthless bullshit while bullying others and whining about receiving entirely legitimate criticism for your lies and falsifications.

You have neither courage nor integrity, nor have you ever said anything worth listening to.

Frankly, you’re a dead loss as far as discussion goes.

Which is why I’m advising everyone to ignore you.

Which is what I will be doing again on this thread, although I’ve no doubt you’ll be your usual abusive and dishonest self in response to this post.

ydoethur said:

Malmesbury said:

ydoethur said:

contrarian said:

ydoethur said:

To all trying to engage with the troll:

I admire your patience, but it’s pointless. He will never admit a lie, a mistake, or a wrong assumption.

And he gets very nasty when reality is brought in, and whines about being told off.

Just ignore.

These were articles of faith on here just months ago.

No scientists have an agenda that's not science.
Lockdowns are necessary and useful.

Now, you would struggle to find a single advocate for a policy that was defended to the hilt only weeks ago, and you would struggle to find a single poster who didn't look sideways at some scientists.

Most opinions have shifted 180. I have never changed mine. Why wouldn't I challenge every single thing that's taken as an article of faith on here??

No, you’ve never changed your views, apart from now forcing an extension of the lockdowns you profess to despise.

You’re also still talking worthless bullshit while bullying others and whining about receiving entirely legitimate criticism for your lies and falsifications.

You have neither courage nor integrity, nor have you ever said anything worth listening to.

Frankly, you’re a dead loss as far as discussion goes.

Which is why I’m advising everyone to ignore you.

Which is what I will be doing again on this thread, although I’ve no doubt you’ll be your usual abusive and dishonest self in response to this post.

I feel that you should really express yourself on this matter and not hold back.

But I’d get banned for calling him out properly. And who would then provide you with awesome puns?

Malmesbury said:

ydoethur said:

Malmesbury said:

ydoethur said:

contrarian said:

ydoethur said:

To all trying to engage with the troll:

I admire your patience, but it’s pointless. He will never admit a lie, a mistake, or a wrong assumption.

And he gets very nasty when reality is brought in, and whines about being told off.

Just ignore.

These were articles of faith on here just months ago.

No scientists have an agenda that's not science.
Lockdowns are necessary and useful.

Now, you would struggle to find a single advocate for a policy that was defended to the hilt only weeks ago, and you would struggle to find a single poster who didn't look sideways at some scientists.

Most opinions have shifted 180. I have never changed mine. Why wouldn't I challenge every single thing that's taken as an article of faith on here??

No, you’ve never changed your views, apart from now forcing an extension of the lockdowns you profess to despise.

You’re also still talking worthless bullshit while bullying others and whining about receiving entirely legitimate criticism for your lies and falsifications.

You have neither courage nor integrity, nor have you ever said anything worth listening to.

Frankly, you’re a dead loss as far as discussion goes.

Which is why I’m advising everyone to ignore you.

Which is what I will be doing again on this thread, although I’ve no doubt you’ll be your usual abusive and dishonest self in response to this post.

I feel that you should really express yourself on this matter and not hold back.

But I’d get banned for calling him out properly. And who would then provide you with awesome puns?

While you're at it, say how you really feel about Gavin Williamson. I always felt you held back, there....

FrancisUrquhart said:

DougSeal said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

24,470 cases, 65 deaths

I fully expect cases to go up at some point but one thing I can say, however you interprets the data, is that nearly 2 weeks 19 July did not result in the doomsday many were predicting. I was not a doomsdayer but I’ll readily admit to being incredibly nervous.

I think delta is so easily spread, nightclubs is really the only change that would massively effect the numbers...it may also be that depsite all the moaning about the pingdemic, that having all those people isolate might be helping keep a lid on things (although its a very blunt approach and not sustainable long term).

DougSeal said:

Malmesbury said:

ydoethur said:

Malmesbury said:

ydoethur said:

contrarian said:

ydoethur said:

To all trying to engage with the troll:

I admire your patience, but it’s pointless. He will never admit a lie, a mistake, or a wrong assumption.

And he gets very nasty when reality is brought in, and whines about being told off.

Just ignore.

These were articles of faith on here just months ago.

No scientists have an agenda that's not science.
Lockdowns are necessary and useful.

Now, you would struggle to find a single advocate for a policy that was defended to the hilt only weeks ago, and you would struggle to find a single poster who didn't look sideways at some scientists.

Most opinions have shifted 180. I have never changed mine. Why wouldn't I challenge every single thing that's taken as an article of faith on here??

No, you’ve never changed your views, apart from now forcing an extension of the lockdowns you profess to despise.

You’re also still talking worthless bullshit while bullying others and whining about receiving entirely legitimate criticism for your lies and falsifications.

You have neither courage nor integrity, nor have you ever said anything worth listening to.

Frankly, you’re a dead loss as far as discussion goes.

Which is why I’m advising everyone to ignore you.

Which is what I will be doing again on this thread, although I’ve no doubt you’ll be your usual abusive and dishonest self in response to this post.

I feel that you should really express yourself on this matter and not hold back.

But I’d get banned for calling him out properly. And who would then provide you with awesome puns?

While you're at it, say how you really feel about Gavin Williamson. I always felt you held back, there....

Yeah, I always thought there was something he needed to get off his chest.

DougSeal said:

contrarian said:

DougSeal said:

contrarian said:

rcs1000 said:

YoungTurk said:

On-topic, because it's about the idea of experimentation, lol:

FPT

CarlottaVance said:

"I'm not taking part in this vaccine experiment"

You are. You're the control group.
Currently around 10% in the UK
....and 80% in ICU

https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1421527009549856772?s=20

This is getting crazy. Some anti-vaxers say the state wants to get rid of them so that there is no unvaxed control group to compare the vaxed with, and now anti-anti-vaxers are telling anti-vaxers that they've got news for them and in fact they ARE the control group. Few on either side understand where the other side is coming from.

Also, if the state was going to exterminate one group, it wouldn’t be the compliant group who did what they were told.

It makes you wonder why the Democrat administration of America is so anxious to get all those Trump republicans vaxxed.

To stop them getting ill and dying?

LOL

Some people care about their fellow human beings. You’re not one of them.

DougSeal said:

WTF does the below sentence even mean? I’m saving this for the next time TSE extols the superiority of a Cambridge education-

“ A consultative referendum will be argued it is lawful for Betfair’s rules.”

May my humble Oxford educated self suggest it should perhaps read -

“It will doubtless be argued that a consultative referendum is lawful for the purposes of Betfair’s rules.”

?

kle4 said:

I wasn't watching, but the way this is reported makes it sound lovely, but was it out of sportsmanship? I mean, had they gone to a jump-off presumably one of them would have missed out on the gold, so avoiding that took away the risk for either. So even if they were being entirely noble, they happened to benefit.

An incredible Olympic high jump final ended with both Qatar's Mutaz Essa Barshim and Italy's Gianmarco Tamberi taking gold medals...

The athletes were offered an opportunity to take part in a jump-off.

But in a moment of sportsmanship, they agreed to share the title, sparking huge celebrations.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/58048827

ydoethur said:

solarflare said:

Hell of a race. I texted a friend as they were going round after the red flag saying "would be funny if everyone pitted and left one driver on his own for the grid restart"...and that actually happened!! Indianapolis 2005 levels of bizarre.

Well, they had to think of some way to let Schumacher have a win.

kle4 said:

I wasn't watching, but the way this is reported makes it sound lovely, but was it out of sportsmanship? I mean, had they gone to a jump-off presumably one of them would have missed out on the gold, so avoiding that took away the risk for either. So even if they were being entirely noble, they happened to benefit.

An incredible Olympic high jump final ended with both Qatar's Mutaz Essa Barshim and Italy's Gianmarco Tamberi taking gold medals...

The athletes were offered an opportunity to take part in a jump-off.

But in a moment of sportsmanship, they agreed to share the title, sparking huge celebrations.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/58048827

ydoethur said:

williamglenn said:

DougSeal said:

contrarian said:

DougSeal said:

contrarian said:

rcs1000 said:

YoungTurk said:

On-topic, because it's about the idea of experimentation, lol:

FPT

CarlottaVance said:

"I'm not taking part in this vaccine experiment"

You are. You're the control group.
Currently around 10% in the UK
....and 80% in ICU

https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1421527009549856772?s=20

This is getting crazy. Some anti-vaxers say the state wants to get rid of them so that there is no unvaxed control group to compare the vaxed with, and now anti-anti-vaxers are telling anti-vaxers that they've got news for them and in fact they ARE the control group. Few on either side understand where the other side is coming from.

Also, if the state was going to exterminate one group, it wouldn’t be the compliant group who did what they were told.

It makes you wonder why the Democrat administration of America is so anxious to get all those Trump republicans vaxxed.

To stop them getting ill and dying?

LOL

Some people care about their fellow human beings. You’re not one of them.

That’s a bit harsh. Contrarian might be immoral but he’s still a fellow human being.

Are you sure? Might be a server in Yekaterinburg.

StuartDickson said:

DavidL said:

Theuniondivvie said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

CarlottaVance said:

An alternative view on the Craig Murray case:

https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2021/07/31/on-forms-of-journalism/

That really is a must read.

Fourth the idea is bounced around and around that other journalists also ‘leaked’ the names of witnesses but went unpunished. Murray and others consistently point to Dani Garavelli as one of these citing a Panelbase poll. What’s less often noted is that Craig Murray wrote and paid for the question to be added to the poll. In other cases journalists or other individuals may have inadvertently released information and when warned then instantly apologised and deleted such material. Not so the Ambassador who when warned pressed on. There is quite a difference.

Peatworrier got a lot of pelters for this tweet but I think it’s spot on. Murray’s actually got what he wanted, attention and Assangesque martyrdom for the cause, so a non custodial sentence might have been a better choice.

https://twitter.com/peatworrier/status/1420845010900197379?s=21

I read Craig Murray's pieces on the trial. They did not allow me to identify any of the complainers. Why not? Because I did not have the other parts of the jigsaw or other information which would allow me to determine the significance of what he reported. This, to me, is the fundamental problem with jigsaw identification. If it is to be determined by the Court with the benefit of hindsight and with a lot of other information that is not even in the public domain how do you anticipate that you may be offending? The answer is that you are extremely cautious and ambiguities, anomalies or just plain lies of witnesses in such cases are simply not reported because of the chilling effect of a potential jigsaw identification.

The allegation in this case is that a number of women who were connected to the SNP in various ways along with some civil servants very close to the current First Minister got together and conspired to produce sufficient evidence that Salmond was prosecuted in the High Court. I must emphasise that I have no idea whether such an allegation is true or not but it is a very serious allegation. Where it is demonstrated that people claim to have been sexually molested at a dinner which there is no record of them even being at certain issues arise. Have they simply made a mistake as to the date or the occasion (the most likely explanation)? Have they made it up (possible, but much less common)? Have they contrived with others to create a case that damns the person alleged to be responsible (far fetched but not impossible)?

The problem is that Murray was convinced that the last was at least a factor in this trial. He tried to show that but it is impossible to do without giving some context to the allegation. It is that context that forms the basis of the jigsaw identification.

I remain appalled that the Supreme Court has declined to look at this. There were obvious flaws in the Court's judgment (for example, he was found guilty of something not explicitly in the petition). It is a considerable extension of the s4 with uncertain boundaries and in my view it is incompatible with Article 10 of ECHR. Definitive guidance from the Supreme Court would have been helpful in clarifying the rules and the boundaries. They may have upheld the conviction, possibly on more limited grounds. But they really should have considered it.

Very worrying. Can the Supreme Court really have made such elementary errors? How does one go about righting such a wrong?

Many thanks David. I deeply appreciate an expert’s assessment.

Malmesbury said:

ydoethur said:

williamglenn said:

DougSeal said:

contrarian said:

DougSeal said:

contrarian said:

rcs1000 said:

YoungTurk said:

On-topic, because it's about the idea of experimentation, lol:

FPT

CarlottaVance said:

"I'm not taking part in this vaccine experiment"

You are. You're the control group.
Currently around 10% in the UK
....and 80% in ICU

https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1421527009549856772?s=20

This is getting crazy. Some anti-vaxers say the state wants to get rid of them so that there is no unvaxed control group to compare the vaxed with, and now anti-anti-vaxers are telling anti-vaxers that they've got news for them and in fact they ARE the control group. Few on either side understand where the other side is coming from.

Also, if the state was going to exterminate one group, it wouldn’t be the compliant group who did what they were told.

It makes you wonder why the Democrat administration of America is so anxious to get all those Trump republicans vaxxed.

To stop them getting ill and dying?

LOL

Some people care about their fellow human beings. You’re not one of them.

That’s a bit harsh. Contrarian might be immoral but he’s still a fellow human being.

Are you sure? Might be a server in Yekaterinburg.

#AI_Lives_Matter

ydoethur said:

Malmesbury said:

ydoethur said:

williamglenn said:

DougSeal said:

contrarian said:

DougSeal said:

contrarian said:

rcs1000 said:

YoungTurk said:

On-topic, because it's about the idea of experimentation, lol:

FPT

CarlottaVance said:

"I'm not taking part in this vaccine experiment"

You are. You're the control group.
Currently around 10% in the UK
....and 80% in ICU

https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1421527009549856772?s=20

This is getting crazy. Some anti-vaxers say the state wants to get rid of them so that there is no unvaxed control group to compare the vaxed with, and now anti-anti-vaxers are telling anti-vaxers that they've got news for them and in fact they ARE the control group. Few on either side understand where the other side is coming from.

Also, if the state was going to exterminate one group, it wouldn’t be the compliant group who did what they were told.

It makes you wonder why the Democrat administration of America is so anxious to get all those Trump republicans vaxxed.

To stop them getting ill and dying?

LOL

Some people care about their fellow human beings. You’re not one of them.

That’s a bit harsh. Contrarian might be immoral but he’s still a fellow human being.

Are you sure? Might be a server in Yekaterinburg.

#AI_Lives_Matter

But since this not has never displayed conspicuous intelligence, that fails too.

BlancheLivermore said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Israel now provides vaccination status among new coronavirus cases and those who are seriously ill.

New cases (Sat):
- Unvaccinated: 1,006
- Partially vaccinated: 39
- Fully vaccinated: 1,049

Seriously ill:
- Unvaccinated: 71
- Partially vaccinated: 7
- Fully vaccinated: 133

Come on PHE..... although you can see how the above will be spun by antivaxxers.

It's obviously best to be partially vaccinated

BlancheLivermore said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Ms. Livermore, an electrum medal?

I was thinking that they should get half of each medal welded together, but electrum could work

tlg86 said:

solarflare said:

ydoethur said:

solarflare said:

Hell of a race. I texted a friend as they were going round after the red flag saying "would be funny if everyone pitted and left one driver on his own for the grid restart"...and that actually happened!! Indianapolis 2005 levels of bizarre.

Well, they had to think of some way to let Schumacher have a win.

I seem to remember there was a similar-ish situation in a Moto GP race relatively recently in changeable conditions where a bunch of riders changed bikes on the formation lap, but this was deemed unfair to the one who didn't (Jack Miller?) so they basically made up a hasty rule that said Miller could start from the front on his own and the rest all hard to start from several rows back. Or something. It was almost as funny as today's restart.

It was much worse than that. Miller was the only one to opt for slicks. At the end of the formation lap, the rest of the field entered the pit lane. Instead of starting the race and making everyone else wait for tyres to be changed (a lot longer than f1), the race start was abandoned. The race started with Miller given a four row head start (basically nothing).

It is one of the most disgraceful episodes in motorsport history.

StuartDickson said:

HYUFD said:

There will certainly not be a legal indyref2 sanctioned by the UK government as long as the Tories remain in power, Boris has said another indyref should not be allowed for 40 years.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/wait-40-years-for-another-scottish-independence-vote-says-boris-johnson-kwb7njq99

Sturgeon has also ruled out a wildcat referendum and declaring UDI, hence some hardline Nats have defected from the SNP to Alba.

So unless and until we get a PM Starmer getting confidence and supply from the SNP in a hung parliament after the next general election, indyref2 is off the agenda

How much money have you wagered on that position?

HYUFD said:

StuartDickson said:

HYUFD said:

There will certainly not be a legal indyref2 sanctioned by the UK government as long as the Tories remain in power, Boris has said another indyref should not be allowed for 40 years.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/wait-40-years-for-another-scottish-independence-vote-says-boris-johnson-kwb7njq99

Sturgeon has also ruled out a wildcat referendum and declaring UDI, hence some hardline Nats have defected from the SNP to Alba.

So unless and until we get a PM Starmer getting confidence and supply from the SNP in a hung parliament after the next general election, indyref2 is off the agenda

How much money have you wagered on that position?

Nothing, I rarely bet.

However Boris has no desire to go down in history for all eternity as the 21st century Lord North who lost Scotland rather than the architect of Brexit he currently is.

Sturgeon knows with Scottish polls 50/50 on independence it is too risky to call for a referendum now and that a wildcat referendum and UDI would not be recognised internationally, see also Catalonia. She is happy sticking to her day job with luxury lodgings at Bute House and with Alba having failed to elect a single MSP she is under no pressure from Salmond and Nat hardliners anyway.

So we are where we are and unless Starmer becomes PM after the next UK general election nothing will change

Carnyx said:

StuartDickson said:

Scottish independence vote will happen if public wants it, says Michael Gove

…Westminster has repeatedly rejected requests from the Scottish government for the necessary powers to hold another vote but the Cabinet Office minister said if the public desire a second referendum, “one would occur”.

… Gove told the Sunday Mail: “The principle that the people of Scotland, in the right circumstances, can ask that question again is there. I just don’t think that it is right, and the public don’t think it is right, to ask that question at the moment. If it is the case that there is clearly a settled will in favour of a referendum, then one will occur.”

It is unclear what would convince the UK government that another vote is the “settled will” of Scots but it could mean positive election results for independence parties or continuous polling in favour for a certain period of time.

… Gove also rejected the chance of a third tilt at the leadership of the Conservatives, after failing in 2016 and 2019. “Historically, people who have run to be prime minister in the Tory party and don’t make it don’t subsequently make it,” he said. “I’ve had two goes and got bronze both times. I don’t think I’ll get the gold medal and I have to recognise that. I think Boris will be prime minister for a good while yet and there is a crop of younger people coming up who would be much better equipped than me.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/01/scottish-independence-vote-will-happen-if-public-wants-it-says-michael-gove

Given the majorities in Westminster and Holyrood, and explicit mandate, one wonders what would convince Mr Gove.

squareroot2 said:

If there is no further vote on Independence whilst there is Tory Govt and wee Jimmy Krankie throws her toys of of her pram in Holyrood.. who cares? Few I would venture to suggest, bar diehard Nits.
There is still the prospect of the law courts causing problems in Scotland.

kinabalu said:

StuartDickson said:

Scottish independence vote will happen if public wants it, says Michael Gove

…Westminster has repeatedly rejected requests from the Scottish government for the necessary powers to hold another vote but the Cabinet Office minister said if the public desire a second referendum, “one would occur”.

… Gove told the Sunday Mail: “The principle that the people of Scotland, in the right circumstances, can ask that question again is there. I just don’t think that it is right, and the public don’t think it is right, to ask that question at the moment. If it is the case that there is clearly a settled will in favour of a referendum, then one will occur.”

It is unclear what would convince the UK government that another vote is the “settled will” of Scots but it could mean positive election results for independence parties or continuous polling in favour for a certain period of time.

… Gove also rejected the chance of a third tilt at the leadership of the Conservatives, after failing in 2016 and 2019. “Historically, people who have run to be prime minister in the Tory party and don’t make it don’t subsequently make it,” he said. “I’ve had two goes and got bronze both times. I don’t think I’ll get the gold medal and I have to recognise that. I think Boris will be prime minister for a good while yet and there is a crop of younger people coming up who would be much better equipped than me.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/01/scottish-independence-vote-will-happen-if-public-wants-it-says-michael-gove

Michael Gove. So humble. He's nowhere and yet everywhere. The Keyser Soze of Tory politics.

StuartDickson said:

… Gove also rejected the chance of a third tilt at the leadership of the Conservatives, after failing in 2016 and 2019. “Historically, people who have run to be prime minister in the Tory party and don’t make it don’t subsequently make it,” he said. “I’ve had two goes and got bronze both times. I don’t think I’ll get the gold medal and I have to recognise that. I think Boris will be prime minister for a good while yet and there is a crop of younger people coming up who would be much better equipped than me.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/01/scottish-independence-vote-will-happen-if-public-wants-it-says-michael-gove