Some very encouraging polling worldwide and especially in the UK – politicalbetting.com
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Is it main course, or dessert, or both?!TheScreamingEagles said:Siri: Show me a worse combination than pineapple on pizza.
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It’s a real mystery why anti vax ideology is so closely correlated with lockdown scepticism. Surely the whole point of the latter is that containment is an unrealistic policy beyond the short term, so you might as well get to herd immunity asap, without the detrimental side effects of lockdown while you get there.TheScreamingEagles said:
You don't talk about Florida much these days, that was your golden state a while back.]contrarian said:
Cases are going up everywhere
You ladies can bitch and moan all you like, but if there is not the carnage you yourselves predicted in the months ahead in these unvaccinated states, you have some pretty serious explaining to do, or another piece of the groupthink that passes for analysis on here bites the dust.
So far these states look pretty similar to what has happened here except for vastly more vaccination here.
Cases in Texas are not even rising that much, despite that state being completely open for months. How'd that happen girls?
Florida is recording more Covid-19 cases than any other U.S. state, as hospitalizations in some areas increase at the fastest rate since the start of the pandemic.
The state accounts for one in five new infections in the U.S. and logged 73,181 cases over the past week, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Florida had 341 cases per 100,000 people over the past week, second only to Louisiana. The weekly total of new cases reported by Florida jumped more than fourfold between July 1 and July 22, reaching its highest point since mid-January.
Deaths in Florida totaled 319 over the past week, the most among states, with a rate of 1.5 per 100,000 people, the fourth-highest, according to the CDC.
Epidemiologists say various factors are at play: large numbers of unvaccinated people, a relaxation of preventive measures like mask-wearing and social distancing, the spread of the highly contagious Delta variant of the coronavirus and the congregation of people indoors during hot summer months.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/florida-leads-u-s-in-covid-19-cases-as-hospitalizations-surge-11627131600
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By week’s end, Florida was accounting for almost a quarter of new infections nationally, with the US surgeon general, Vivek Murthy, warning of an “alarming” rise in deaths and hospitalizations.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/25/florida-covid-coronavirus-ron-desantis-vaccine
Well luckily for lockdown sceptics, the vaccines have arrived, which means we can get to herd immunity far more quickly (and with far less death and medical ailments) than letting the virus do its thing. The vaccines should be celebrated by anyone opposed to lockdown for ideological or practical reasons.0 -
My list, also in order of preferencercs1000 said:Where I've lived in London, by order of preference
Fitzrovia (best)
Hampstead
Aldgate East
Pimlico
Bayswater (worst)
But even my lowest is probably still 7.5/10: each of those places was great in one way or another.
I loved Bayswater for the park and the pretty decent high street and the good transport links. Pimlico was my introduction to London. Aldgate East had Brick Lane and Wapping on our doorstep. Hampstead is just the most beautiful place to be.
But Fitzrovia is walking distance from both Central London, Charlotte Street, and Regents Park. It was also a delightful, hidden village in the centre of London.
Holloway (diversity paradise)
Westminster (OK but mainly for the job it let me do)
Chelsea (nice but no Tube)
Holland Park (very young but seemed pleasant enough)
Maida Vale (too young to appreciate)
Marylebone (a bit too touristy)
But all of them good!
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VI-1 wine certificates scrapped worldwide for import into the UK. Should mean more choice in new world wines from small producers who wouldn't export before, and EU wine imports won't get harder than they already are:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-k-scrap-post-brexit-165837854.html1 -
Heathens who don't know that Yorkshire Pudding is great for *all* courses should be drummed out of Eat Club.solarflare said:
Is it main course, or dessert, or both?!TheScreamingEagles said:Siri: Show me a worse combination than pineapple on pizza.
I particularly recommend making far too many and eating them with maple syrup.1 -
Nice fuck up in the men's Olympic triathlon where half the field false started and had to be dragged back from the swim after a few hundred metres, and the other half the field didn't go and were left standing waiting wondering what the heck was happening.0
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Hey, I'm curious - do tell!state_go_away said:
Also that nobody is at all curious about what you did , just about obscure police forcesLostPassword said:I didn't realise I was so far off a complete set.
I used to know someone (British) who had been arrested by police forces in four countries. He said he was a bird-watcher, and bird sanctuaries tended to be in sort of remote areas where you put airbases.
I was never entirely convinced.3 -
I don't think you can claim economic growth as a scalp for the philosophy of Ayn Rand. It would take us back to the caves.Pagan2 said:FPT
You are aware capitalism is considered right wing?kinabalu said:
Where has the right wing lifted 100s of millions out of poverty?Pagan2 said:
When socialism raises millions from poverty then you get to complain (sure you will diagree but cite an example) in the mean while the right wing has sucessfully lifted 100 millions out of poverty. And no not a rand fan but you purely dont like it because she is a right winger rather than the fact that actually she just wasnt a good writerkinabalu said:
With very few exceptions those who love that book are ultra libertarian fruitcakes.Omnium said:
Is being an Ayn Rand fan a negative? I have an unopened copy of Atlas Shrugged about to be opened.mwadams said:
That ignores the fact that he's a massive Ayn Rand fan and he's quoting. I think he thought it would be a positive.alex_ said:
Agree, but as i said last night i think if he had said "we shouldn't be cowed by it" as opposed to "people shouldn't cower from it", i doubt it would have been an issue.MaxPB said:
It definitely was and the truth of what he said hasn't changed. People just don't want to hear it.Nigel_Foremain said:Just read what Javid said. I am not a fan of the government, but for goodness sake, this looks like people trying to take offence!
Maybe.
I think that's probably what was meant (someone will probably argue that it means the same thing!)
So if that's you, you are in for a treat.0 -
"Make my products illegal!" - intriguing story:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jul/25/tobacco-firm-philip-morris-calls-for-ban-on-cigarettes-within-decade0 -
I assumed he kept setting off his alarm systems as he, well, forgot his password.state_go_away said:
Also that nobody is at all curious about what you did , just about obscure police forcesLostPassword said:
I didn't realise I was so far off a complete set.MattW said:
Church of England Churchwardens also have the power of arrest.Malmesbury said:
Speshul Police Farces -Carnyx said:
Modplod has to fit in somehow?state_go_away said:
British TransportLostPassword said:
I've been arrested/detained by three different types of [sort of] police in Britain.kinabalu said:
Seems I'm the only person here with a big London spread, posh and not. North and South. Inner and outer.rcs1000 said:
From a postcode perspective (and including my current London flat), I've lived in:Leon said:On preferred London locales, I am happy to say that - prisons aside (I was innocent, so it seems fair) - I have only lived in a "1"
ie a postcode ending in "1"
I've lived in
NW1
W1
WC1
N1
and
E1
I'd quite like to try SW1 and S1 but there isn't an S1 (why?)
W1
WC1
NW3
W2
E1
So, that's a pretty similar list.
I've also done a cell but only at the station so Leon wins that one.
I'll eat an extra slice of tomorrow's birthday cake for whoever can think of the three different types.
Nuclear Police
Normal police
British Transport Police
Civil Nuclear Constabulary
Ministry of Defence Police
National Police Air Service0 -
Having read TSE's header I chased down the Private Eye involvement which I must have missed.
Fascinating
https://briandeer.com/wakefield/private-eye.htm0 -
The old jokes about the Tobacco companies moving out of tobacco and into weed are now just true.NickPalmer said:"Make my products illegal!" - intriguing story:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jul/25/tobacco-firm-philip-morris-calls-for-ban-on-cigarettes-within-decade
I'm trying to remember the police series in the US where they find the tobacco company was trying to swap growing info and seeds with a Mexican cartel - so they could *both* swap businesses....1 -
How does it go??....tlg86 said:
I haven't slept one night in Greater London.SandyRentool said:Ealing, W5. That is all
Judge - "Did you, or did you not sleep with that woman?"
Defendant - "Not a wink, M'lud"6 -
Yes, all the way to the highest Court in the land. At which the defence barrister could open on behalf of his client with -alex_ said:
The offence of "urinating in the street" is something which IMO is, or should be, easily challengeable right up to the Supreme Court. I think the basic right predates the Magna Carta under the fundamental principle of "when you've got to go you've got to go"Gnud said:Defecating and urinating in the street can be and has been banned in specified areas by local authorities issuing Public Spaces Protection Orders under the Anti-Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014. Breaches of PSPOs are punishable with on-the-spot fines.
Whether Cambridge City Council can declare the sites of Cambridge colleges' May Balls to be "specified areas" is unclear.
"It started with a piss. He never thought it would come to this." 🙂8 -
You should close the windows.tlg86 said:
I haven't slept one night in Greater London.SandyRentool said:Ealing, W5. That is all
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England, churchwardens have specific powers to enable them to keep the peace in churchyards.LostPassword said:
I didn't realise I was so far off a complete set.MattW said:
Church of England Churchwardens also have the power of arrest.Malmesbury said:
Speshul Police Farces -Carnyx said:
Modplod has to fit in somehow?state_go_away said:
British TransportLostPassword said:
I've been arrested/detained by three different types of [sort of] police in Britain.kinabalu said:
Seems I'm the only person here with a big London spread, posh and not. North and South. Inner and outer.rcs1000 said:
From a postcode perspective (and including my current London flat), I've lived in:Leon said:On preferred London locales, I am happy to say that - prisons aside (I was innocent, so it seems fair) - I have only lived in a "1"
ie a postcode ending in "1"
I've lived in
NW1
W1
WC1
N1
and
E1
I'd quite like to try SW1 and S1 but there isn't an S1 (why?)
W1
WC1
NW3
W2
E1
So, that's a pretty similar list.
I've also done a cell but only at the station so Leon wins that one.
I'll eat an extra slice of tomorrow's birthday cake for whoever can think of the three different types.
Nuclear Police
Normal police
British Transport Police
Civil Nuclear Constabulary
Ministry of Defence Police
National Police Air Service
The following are punishable with a £200 fine:[6]
riotous, violent, or indecent behaviour in any cathedral church, parish or district church or chapel of the Church of England or in any churchyard or burial ground (whether during a service or at any other time)
molesting, disturbing, vexing, or troubling, or by any other unlawful means disquieting or misusing:
any preacher duly authorised to preach therein, or
any clergyman in holy orders ministering or celebrating any sacrament, or any divine service, rite, or office, in any cathedral, church, or chapel, or in any churchyard or burial ground.
The churchwarden of the parish or place where the offence was committed may apprehend a person committing such an offence, and take them before a magistrates' court.[6] In practice this means they should be aware of these offences and may be expected to conduct a citizen's arrest until police arrive, if appropriate. Until 2003, the offence was punishable by up to two months' imprisonment.
However, caution is advised in the use of this power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchwarden#Powers
Blackberry vinegar.mwadams said:
Heathens who don't know that Yorkshire Pudding is great for *all* courses should be drummed out of Eat Club.solarflare said:
Is it main course, or dessert, or both?!TheScreamingEagles said:Siri: Show me a worse combination than pineapple on pizza.
I particularly recommend making far too many and eating them with maple syrup.1 -
Yep. I rarely make it past the 13th.state_go_away said:
It is a little known fact that the law does not apply to Golf courses . There you will find all kinds of middle to elder aged men exercising the exemption from judges to retired police superintendentsalex_ said:
The offence of "urinating in the street" is something which IMO is, or should be, easily challengeable right up to the Supreme Court. I think the basic right predates the Magna Carta under the fundamental principle of "when you've got to go you've got to go"Gnud said:Defecating and urinating in the street can be and has been banned in specified areas by local authorities issuing Public Spaces Protection Orders under the Anti-Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014. Breaches of PSPOs are punishable with on-the-spot fines.
Whether Cambridge City Council can declare the sites of Cambridge colleges' May Balls to be "specified areas" is unclear.0 -
They are broadly alpahabetical order, with a few quirks, and with SE and SW in two batches each.MaxPB said:
In general (but not always) the lower the number the closer to the centre.another_richard said:Congrats to the PB Londoners.
This postcode talk is certainly a way of excluding outsiders from their discussion.
Suburbs I know but postcodes require wiki translation0 -
Better than the Ox v Cam babble surely.another_richard said:Congrats to the PB Londoners.
This postcode talk is certainly a way of excluding outsiders from their discussion.
Suburbs I know but postcodes require wiki translation0 -
This looks like rubbish bike course, too tight and twisty and no hills...so i would think nearly impossible to burst away or even to turn a big gear and put your opponents under pressure.0
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That looks nice.TheScreamingEagles said:Hey Siri, show me a worse combination than pineapple on pizza.
Since the Yorkshire pudding is basically a glorified pancake anyway - if someone had said a crepe with clotted cream and jam I doubt you'd object?0 -
So the special French travel category is widely seen as another government cock-up and everyone now seems to be expecting another u-turn in the coming week.0
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The CEO of Marlborough's ad agency has probably shot himselfMalmesbury said:
The old jokes about the Tobacco companies moving out of tobacco and into weed are now just true.NickPalmer said:"Make my products illegal!" - intriguing story:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jul/25/tobacco-firm-philip-morris-calls-for-ban-on-cigarettes-within-decade
I'm trying to remember the police series in the US where they find the tobacco company was trying to swap growing info and seeds with a Mexican cartel - so they could *both* swap businesses....0 -
The baking makes it taste completely different though. Bread is glorified flour, but eating flour straight out of the bag, or griddled, is just not the same.Philip_Thompson said:
That looks nice.TheScreamingEagles said:Hey Siri, show me a worse combination than pineapple on pizza.
Since the Yorkshire pudding is basically a glorified pancake anyway - if someone had said a crepe with clotted cream and jam I doubt you'd object?
That said, I've give cream in Yorkshires a chance.2 -
While on the fascinating subject of postcodes and their allocation, can anyone explain the anomaly in the LE postcodes? These start fairly conventionally with LE1 in Leicester City centre, and go up to LE18 in Wigston, but then jump to LE65 in Ashby de la Zouch and LE67 in Coalville.IanB2 said:
They are broadly alpahabetical order, with a few quirks, and with SE and SW in two batches each.MaxPB said:
In general (but not always) the lower the number the closer to the centre.another_richard said:Congrats to the PB Londoners.
This postcode talk is certainly a way of excluding outsiders from their discussion.
Suburbs I know but postcodes require wiki translation
Why?0 -
With a p.s. that 1 is (was) always the ‘head’ sub-district with the main sorting office, in the old days towards the centre of town.IanB2 said:
They are broadly alpahabetical order, with a few quirks, and with SE and SW in two batches each.MaxPB said:
In general (but not always) the lower the number the closer to the centre.another_richard said:Congrats to the PB Londoners.
This postcode talk is certainly a way of excluding outsiders from their discussion.
Suburbs I know but postcodes require wiki translation
As I recall the sub districts were numbered during the First World War to make it easier for the then female sorters.0 -
I see Prof Peston has made a complete arse of himself again:
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Already discussed multiple times....and 12hrs later, still no correction...and of course been shared by 1000s.CarlottaVance said:I see Prof Peston has made a complete arse of himself again:
https://twitter.com/kallmemeg/status/1419246354224848897?s=21
Its beyond a joke now. He does this every other week. We need JVT to go Roy Keane on him....two foot challenge to the kneecaps.0 -
The key to Yorkshire puddings is they need to be soggy. Biggest error is making them crispy like a biscuit.kle4 said:
The baking makes it taste completely different though. Bread is glorified flour, but eating flour straight out of the bag, or griddled, is just not the same.Philip_Thompson said:
That looks nice.TheScreamingEagles said:Hey Siri, show me a worse combination than pineapple on pizza.
Since the Yorkshire pudding is basically a glorified pancake anyway - if someone had said a crepe with clotted cream and jam I doubt you'd object?
That said, I've give cream in Yorkshires a chance.3 -
Here’s the graph causing all this upset in No10: the under-40s vaccination rate plateauing at a far-lower level
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“Seriously understates” - by about 1%!FrancisUrquhart said:
Already discussed multiple times....and 12hrs later, still no correction...and of course been shared by 1000s.CarlottaVance said:I see Prof Peston has made a complete arse of himself again:
https://twitter.com/kallmemeg/status/1419246354224848897?s=21
Its beyond a joke now. He does this every other week.0 -
Chewy anyway, yer nan's bread as it were.kinabalu said:
The key to Yorkshire puddings is they need to be soggy. Biggest error is making them crispy like a biscuit.kle4 said:
The baking makes it taste completely different though. Bread is glorified flour, but eating flour straight out of the bag, or griddled, is just not the same.Philip_Thompson said:
That looks nice.TheScreamingEagles said:Hey Siri, show me a worse combination than pineapple on pizza.
Since the Yorkshire pudding is basically a glorified pancake anyway - if someone had said a crepe with clotted cream and jam I doubt you'd object?
That said, I've give cream in Yorkshires a chance.0 -
Looks like the original LE6 was subdivided with the two new areas keeping the beginning part LE6…Foxy said:
While on the fascinating subject of postcodes and their allocation, can anyone explain the anomaly in the LE postcodes? These start fairly conventionally with LE1 in Leicester City centre, and go up to LE18 in Wigston, but then jump to LE65 in Ashby de la Zouch and LE67 in Coalville.IanB2 said:
They are broadly alpahabetical order, with a few quirks, and with SE and SW in two batches each.MaxPB said:
In general (but not always) the lower the number the closer to the centre.another_richard said:Congrats to the PB Londoners.
This postcode talk is certainly a way of excluding outsiders from their discussion.
Suburbs I know but postcodes require wiki translation
Why?0 -
I think it's a 'don't ask don't tell'.state_go_away said:
Also that nobody is at all curious about what you did , just about obscure police forcesLostPassword said:
I didn't realise I was so far off a complete set.MattW said:
Church of England Churchwardens also have the power of arrest.Malmesbury said:
Speshul Police Farces -Carnyx said:
Modplod has to fit in somehow?state_go_away said:
British TransportLostPassword said:
I've been arrested/detained by three different types of [sort of] police in Britain.kinabalu said:
Seems I'm the only person here with a big London spread, posh and not. North and South. Inner and outer.rcs1000 said:
From a postcode perspective (and including my current London flat), I've lived in:Leon said:On preferred London locales, I am happy to say that - prisons aside (I was innocent, so it seems fair) - I have only lived in a "1"
ie a postcode ending in "1"
I've lived in
NW1
W1
WC1
N1
and
E1
I'd quite like to try SW1 and S1 but there isn't an S1 (why?)
W1
WC1
NW3
W2
E1
So, that's a pretty similar list.
I've also done a cell but only at the station so Leon wins that one.
I'll eat an extra slice of tomorrow's birthday cake for whoever can think of the three different types.
Nuclear Police
Normal police
British Transport Police
Civil Nuclear Constabulary
Ministry of Defence Police
National Police Air Service0 -
Reality check: Daniel Sugarman says he wants "every single one" of "these people" to be involuntarily detained in hospital not after being arrested on suspicion of committing a crime, or charged with any crime, but after being assessed by "health professionals" as being in urgent need of psychiatric treatment and being a risk to themselves or others. That is what it is to be "sectioned" under the Mental Health Act.
I don't know whether he means the speakers at the protest demonstration or everyone who took part in it. I guess he means the latter, because "every single one" sounds like a large number, whereas the number of speakers was probably no more than about 10.
I had never heard of Mr Sugarman before, so I looked him up. He is the Public Affairs Officer of the Board of Deputies of British Jews. WTF??!! Is he alleging that there were anti-Semitic speeches or actions at the demonstration? As he well knows, there are laws against that kind of thing. To spell it out: those who encourage anti-Semitism, whether they do it openly or in a deliberately veiled hinty way, are committing a crime and they can be charged, prosecuted, and jailed. Crimes should be dealt with by the criminal justice system, not by psychiatrists. But he doesn't seem to be alleging a crime. WTF is he on about?
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All coming back together in the triathlon, going to be down to run.0
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Getting solid evidence now of antibody waning from the UK (where longer dosing intervals of 8-12 weeks are used) from brilliant @rob_aldridge & team at UCL
The million dollar question is... will it translate into infections?
https://twitter.com/kallmemeg/status/1419420960428548109?s=20
AIUI it’s not just anti-bodies that determine the immune systems response - they are part of, but not the whole, story.
Or will memory T cells & rest of immune system save the day?
And - even if it does result in infection - what is the symptom profile of those infections?
Are they more likely to be asymptomatic/mild or is it a full regression to susceptibility (spoiler: unlikely)0 -
Yes, then the gravy sinks in. Think I have to say at this point - true or not - that my old granny used to do the best ones ever.Theuniondivvie said:
Chewy anyway, yer nan's bread as it were.kinabalu said:
The key to Yorkshire puddings is they need to be soggy. Biggest error is making them crispy like a biscuit.kle4 said:
The baking makes it taste completely different though. Bread is glorified flour, but eating flour straight out of the bag, or griddled, is just not the same.Philip_Thompson said:
That looks nice.TheScreamingEagles said:Hey Siri, show me a worse combination than pineapple on pizza.
Since the Yorkshire pudding is basically a glorified pancake anyway - if someone had said a crepe with clotted cream and jam I doubt you'd object?
That said, I've give cream in Yorkshires a chance.0 -
Sometimes existing postcodes get divided. When I lived in Cardiff 1999-2000 I initially lived in CF1 but that was divided into CF10 and (IIRC) CF11. I don’t think they’d started allocating overlapping postcodes before I left.SandyRentool said:I've never lived in a '1' postcode. Even our flat in central Leeds was LS11.
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Blame Anthony Trollope. He didn’t like the S, so it was split between SE and SW (which already existed, both being enlarged) and the S got given to Sheffield. Similarly with the old NE, which got given to Newcastle.Leon said:On preferred London locales, I am happy to say that - prisons aside (I was innocent, so it seems fair) - I have only lived in a "1"
ie a postcode ending in "1"
I've lived in
NW1
W1
WC1
N1
and
E1
I'd quite like to try SW1 and S1 but there isn't an S1 (why?)
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Good job boosters start in 4-5 weeks....i think realistically we are all going to end up getting one, just to be on the safe side.CarlottaVance said:Getting solid evidence now of antibody waning from the UK (where longer dosing intervals of 8-12 weeks are used) from brilliant @rob_aldridge & team at UCL
The million dollar question is... will it translate into infections?
https://twitter.com/kallmemeg/status/1419420960428548109?s=20
AIUI it’s not just anti-bodies that determine the immune systems response - they are part of, but not the whole, story.0 -
I think he's just basically saying he thinks they're nuts. I doubt if he really thinks they should be sectioned. It's a tweet, not a weighty submission.Gnud said:Reality check: Daniel Sugarman says he wants "every single one" of "these people" to be involuntarily detained in hospital not after being arrested on suspicion of committing a crime, or charged with any crime, but after being assessed by "health professionals" as being in urgent need of psychiatric treatment and being a risk to themselves or others. That is what it is to be "sectioned" under the Mental Health Act.
I don't know whether he means the speakers at the protest demonstration or everyone who took part in it. I guess he means the latter, because "every single one" sounds like a large number, whereas the number of speakers was probably no more than about 10.
I had never heard of Mr Sugarman before, so I looked him up. He is the Public Affairs Officer of the Board of Deputies of British Jews. WTF??!! Is he alleging that there were anti-Semitic speeches or actions at the demonstration? As he well knows, there are laws against that kind of thing. To spell it out: those who encourage anti-Semitism, whether they do it openly or in a deliberately veiled hinty way, are committing a crime and they can be charged, prosecuted, and jailed. Crimes should be dealt with by the criminal justice system, not by psychiatrists. But he doesn't seem to be alleging a crime. WTF is he on about?3 -
But why LE65? Why not LE61 and LE62?IanB2 said:
Looks like the original LE6 was subdivided with the two new areas keeping the beginning part LE6…Foxy said:
While on the fascinating subject of postcodes and their allocation, can anyone explain the anomaly in the LE postcodes? These start fairly conventionally with LE1 in Leicester City centre, and go up to LE18 in Wigston, but then jump to LE65 in Ashby de la Zouch and LE67 in Coalville.IanB2 said:
They are broadly alpahabetical order, with a few quirks, and with SE and SW in two batches each.MaxPB said:
In general (but not always) the lower the number the closer to the centre.another_richard said:Congrats to the PB Londoners.
This postcode talk is certainly a way of excluding outsiders from their discussion.
Suburbs I know but postcodes require wiki translation
Why?
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Question asked. Question answered. This is how things should be.IanB2 said:
Blame Anthony Trollope. He didn’t like the S, so it was split between SE and SW (which already existed, both being enlarged) and the S got given to Sheffield. Similarly with the old NE, which got given to Newcastle.Leon said:On preferred London locales, I am happy to say that - prisons aside (I was innocent, so it seems fair) - I have only lived in a "1"
ie a postcode ending in "1"
I've lived in
NW1
W1
WC1
N1
and
E1
I'd quite like to try SW1 and S1 but there isn't an S1 (why?)0 -
Much as I like this, clearly light-hearted, idea I can't help but suspect there might be risks around reactions with other drugs and alcohol and recipients not being in a great state to give accurate medical histories around allergies/pre-existing conditions.moonshine said:I remember as a youngster on nights out, you’d get those girls coming round selling shots, or 5 minute back rubs and what not. Always dressed to the nines. Circulating table to table and group to group in busy bars.
They should get nurses to do something similar with covid vaccines. It’s amazing what a half cut lad will do for a pretty girl in a nice outfit. “Come on big brave lad like you scared of a needle?” Most of that lot haven’t had one yet because they can’t be faffed, not for any other reason. The peer pressure once one in the group has it guarantees the rest all do.
As for older religious groups? Perhaps some financial donations to community religious groups for each vaccine administered after the weekly service.
I don’t have good ideas on how to persuade the “my body is a temple” lot.0 -
Philip Morris buying a company which manufactures inhalers is black comedy at its finest.NickPalmer said:"Make my products illegal!" - intriguing story:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jul/25/tobacco-firm-philip-morris-calls-for-ban-on-cigarettes-within-decade1 -
Wrong way up.Philip_Thompson said:
That looks nice.TheScreamingEagles said:Hey Siri, show me a worse combination than pineapple on pizza.
Since the Yorkshire pudding is basically a glorified pancake anyway - if someone had said a crepe with clotted cream and jam I doubt you'd object?
Jam first.0 -
BBC News - Speakers' Corner: Woman attacked with knife
Footage shared on social media shows someone dressed in black approaching a woman wearing a Charlie Hebdo T-shirt.
She is later seen clutching her right hand close to her body, with what appears to be blood at her temple, as she is helped into a police van by officers who were nearby.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-579652510 -
Business time now in the triathlon.0
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Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.1
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Which order would you go with?dixiedean said:Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.
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Got to be swimming last, imho.FrancisUrquhart said:
Which order would you go with?dixiedean said:Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.
Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.0 -
The camerawork on the triathlon is hilarious. The motorbikes with cameras on keep turning corners and losing sight of the runners and the TV feed team clearly has no warning before it happens.1
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Bike last with a hill climb. That would sort out the men from the gods.tlg86 said:
Swimming first makes sense as you wouldn’t want anyone to get into trouble, which could happen if it was second or third. I guess cycling last might produce more exciting finishes.dixiedean said:Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.
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I hadn't considered the risk of swimming last, was just thinking of (dis)comfort. Fair point though.tlg86 said:
Swimming first makes sense as you wouldn’t want anyone to get into trouble, which could happen if it was second or third. I guess cycling last might produce more exciting finishes.dixiedean said:Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.
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During the swimming they had the spray all over the lens for large parts of it.Quincel said:The camerawork on the triathlon is hilarious. The motorbikes with cameras on keep turning corners and losing sight of the runners and the TV feed team clearly has no warning before it happens.
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Yee is 1/2 on Betfair to win, given he leads a pack with 3 laps to go. Seems a bit short? Not like he has a stunning record of always running from this position.0
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Running first. Which would break them up for a cleaner swim leg.FrancisUrquhart said:
Which order would you go with?dixiedean said:Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.
Bike last would then mean much more tactical, dramatic and different kinds of races.
With groups of leaders and chasers, etc..It seems a lot of them use the bike leg as a bit of a break.0 -
They do it in this order because in most triathlon locations you need a wetsuit for the swim. And taking off a wetsuit is a lot easier (and quicker ( than putting it on.Quincel said:
Got to be swimming last, imho.FrancisUrquhart said:
Which order would you go with?dixiedean said:Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.
Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
And getting on to a bike with shoes already clipped to the pedals is hard enough when you've just done a swim, let alone a swim and a run.
This is the only sensible order.
You've obviously never attended a triathlon in person and seen the transitions up close (both my brothers have a long history in sprint and iron man triathlon).4 -
I did enjoy the cycling section when we switched to the helicopter but it was the wrong side of an elevated railway line so couldn't see the racers. A long few seconds passed until the director moved us to a bike cam.FrancisUrquhart said:
During the swimming they had the spray all over the lens for large parts of it.Quincel said:The camerawork on the triathlon is hilarious. The motorbikes with cameras on keep turning corners and losing sight of the runners and the TV feed team clearly has no warning before it happens.
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You are not wrong, I bow to your knowledge of this topic and many thanks. Always nice to learn something new every day.SussexJames said:
You've obviously never attended a triathlon in person and seen the transitions up close (both my brothers have a long history in sprint and iron man triathlon).Quincel said:
Got to be swimming last, imho.FrancisUrquhart said:
Which order would you go with?dixiedean said:Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.
Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.2 -
Peaty is breaststroke. The slowest stroke by far. And he does 100m. Not 1500.Quincel said:
Got to be swimming last, imho.FrancisUrquhart said:
Which order would you go with?dixiedean said:Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.
Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
That would be like putting Usain Bolt in for the 10k.
Decent idea, mind.0 -
You wouldn't have Cavendish either for the same reason. You want a time trial specialist.dixiedean said:
Peaty is breaststroke. The slowest stroke by far. And he does 100m. Not 1500.Quincel said:
Got to be swimming last, imho.FrancisUrquhart said:
Which order would you go with?dixiedean said:Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.
Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
That would be like putting Usain Bolt in for the 10k.
Decent idea, mind.1 -
Here we go.....exciting part of the race.0
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However. If cycling were last, you may well want him. Providing there was no climbing.FrancisUrquhart said:
You wouldn't have Cavendish either for the same reason. You want a time trial specialist.dixiedean said:
Peaty is breaststroke. The slowest stroke by far. And he does 100m. Not 1500.Quincel said:
Got to be swimming last, imho.FrancisUrquhart said:
Which order would you go with?dixiedean said:Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.
Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
That would be like putting Usain Bolt in for the 10k.
Decent idea, mind.0 -
I don't think it would work. Somebody could put down the big gear with a few km to go and Cavendish can't hang the elite pace for long, he is always miles off on trial times.dixiedean said:
However. If cycling were last, you may well want him. Providing there was no climbing.FrancisUrquhart said:
You wouldn't have Cavendish either for the same reason. You want a time trial specialist.dixiedean said:
Peaty is breaststroke. The slowest stroke by far. And he does 100m. Not 1500.Quincel said:
Got to be swimming last, imho.FrancisUrquhart said:
Which order would you go with?dixiedean said:Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.
Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
That would be like putting Usain Bolt in for the 10k.
Decent idea, mind.0 -
GB News techs clearly hired for the triathlon coverage....1
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Brownlee elastic has snapped....0
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Yep. Having considered that, it's true.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't think it would work. Somebody could put down the big gear with a few km to go and Cavendish can't hang the elite pace for long, he is always miles off on trial times.dixiedean said:
However. If cycling were last, you may well want him. Providing there was no climbing.FrancisUrquhart said:
You wouldn't have Cavendish either for the same reason. You want a time trial specialist.dixiedean said:
Peaty is breaststroke. The slowest stroke by far. And he does 100m. Not 1500.Quincel said:
Got to be swimming last, imho.FrancisUrquhart said:
Which order would you go with?dixiedean said:Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.
Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
That would be like putting Usain Bolt in for the 10k.
Decent idea, mind.
Would be an interesting event though.0 -
Free speech mustn't give in to this sort of thing.FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Speakers' Corner: Woman attacked with knife
Footage shared on social media shows someone dressed in black approaching a woman wearing a Charlie Hebdo T-shirt.
She is later seen clutching her right hand close to her body, with what appears to be blood at her temple, as she is helped into a police van by officers who were nearby.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-579652511 -
Oh i think it would be an awesome event.dixiedean said:
Yep. Having considered that, it's true.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't think it would work. Somebody could put down the big gear with a few km to go and Cavendish can't hang the elite pace for long, he is always miles off on trial times.dixiedean said:
However. If cycling were last, you may well want him. Providing there was no climbing.FrancisUrquhart said:
You wouldn't have Cavendish either for the same reason. You want a time trial specialist.dixiedean said:
Peaty is breaststroke. The slowest stroke by far. And he does 100m. Not 1500.Quincel said:
Got to be swimming last, imho.FrancisUrquhart said:
Which order would you go with?dixiedean said:Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.
Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
That would be like putting Usain Bolt in for the 10k.
Decent idea, mind.
Would be an interesting event though.0 -
All on the limit now.0
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I take it back, the coverage is even worse than GB News.0
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Is this going to be the story for Team GB of these Olympics...lots of 2nd and 3rd?0
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Having given it a little further thought.FrancisUrquhart said:
Oh i think it would be an awesome event.dixiedean said:
Yep. Having considered that, it's true.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't think it would work. Somebody could put down the big gear with a few km to go and Cavendish can't hang the elite pace for long, he is always miles off on trial times.dixiedean said:
However. If cycling were last, you may well want him. Providing there was no climbing.FrancisUrquhart said:
You wouldn't have Cavendish either for the same reason. You want a time trial specialist.dixiedean said:
Peaty is breaststroke. The slowest stroke by far. And he does 100m. Not 1500.Quincel said:
Got to be swimming last, imho.FrancisUrquhart said:
Which order would you go with?dixiedean said:Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.
Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
That would be like putting Usain Bolt in for the 10k.
Decent idea, mind.
Would be an interesting event though.
8 runners in a team. Then 8 swimmers. Then 8 cyclists. As 1 finishes, team manager gets to nominate which cyclist goes off first, depending on how the race lies.
The tactics and strategy would be utterly fascinating.0 -
There are three-person triathlon events like that, but I think only at amateur level. My brothers tried to persuade me to do one with them at Blenheim (a great day out for spectators) a few years back, as one likes cycling, the other running and both hate swimming, but I managed to weasel out of itFrancisUrquhart said:
Oh i think it would be an awesome event.dixiedean said:
Yep. Having considered that, it's true.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't think it would work. Somebody could put down the big gear with a few km to go and Cavendish can't hang the elite pace for long, he is always miles off on trial times.dixiedean said:
However. If cycling were last, you may well want him. Providing there was no climbing.FrancisUrquhart said:
You wouldn't have Cavendish either for the same reason. You want a time trial specialist.dixiedean said:
Peaty is breaststroke. The slowest stroke by far. And he does 100m. Not 1500.Quincel said:
Got to be swimming last, imho.FrancisUrquhart said:
Which order would you go with?dixiedean said:Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.
Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
That would be like putting Usain Bolt in for the 10k.
Decent idea, mind.
Would be an interesting event though.0 -
That this Alex Yee can speak. Let alone in coherent sentences is mightily impressive.1
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I'd be happy to do the cycling leg for a PB team one day. Just so long as no-one expects much speed. I can cycle 25 miles, have done so a few times actually, but it takes me...a tad longer than these guys just did the whole triathlon in.SussexJames said:
There are three-person triathlon events like that, but I think only at amateur level. My brothers tried to persuade me to do one with them at Blenheim (a great day out for spectators) a few years back, as one likes cycling, the other running and both hate swimming, but I managed to weasel out of itFrancisUrquhart said:
Oh i think it would be an awesome event.dixiedean said:
Yep. Having considered that, it's true.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't think it would work. Somebody could put down the big gear with a few km to go and Cavendish can't hang the elite pace for long, he is always miles off on trial times.dixiedean said:
However. If cycling were last, you may well want him. Providing there was no climbing.FrancisUrquhart said:
You wouldn't have Cavendish either for the same reason. You want a time trial specialist.dixiedean said:
Peaty is breaststroke. The slowest stroke by far. And he does 100m. Not 1500.Quincel said:
Got to be swimming last, imho.FrancisUrquhart said:
Which order would you go with?dixiedean said:Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.
Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
That would be like putting Usain Bolt in for the 10k.
Decent idea, mind.
Would be an interesting event though.0 -
Labour announces launch of ‘new deal for working people’
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/25/labour-announces-launch-new-deal-for-working-people
Sounds like a rehash of the same policy they always go to £10 an hour and guaranteed job or training.0 -
Yes.williamglenn said:
Are you sure?rcs1000 said:
France?williamglenn said:
But that’s all been in the last few weeks so is what is propping up their first dose numbers. They might end up plateauing at the same level as Germany.rcs1000 said:
It is, and that's why I prefer to use the "percent of adults" number, so as to compare like-with-like.williamglenn said:
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.Stuartinromford said:
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.kle4 said:Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
https://www.thelocal.fr/20210708/france-expanding-its-sexy-advertising-campaign-for-covid-vaccines/
Worth noting, though, that France is only at about 30% of 12-17 year olds, so it probably only adds maybe two points to total "vaccinated as percent of the population".
They're ahead of Germany as far as percent of adults (72%) jabbed, and they're doing more first jabs of adults per day currently.
So, I think we can reasonably assume they're not going to plateau at German levels given they're currently ahead of them.
The figures on "percentage of adults" is published by the EU here - https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab
Those numbers are (a) the official ones, (b) more up to date that Our World in Data, and (c) allow you to drill in and see the breakdown by age/vaccine type/etc
Now, given the survey at the top will have been of adults, that's the best one to see if countries are nearing their peak. On those figures, you'd expect Germany and France to peak at around 80%... I'd be a little more optimistic, because the state has many methods of persuading people.
So my guess, FWIW, is that Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark are all going to be at or around the same level as the UK or Iceland - i.e around 90% of adults, give or take.
Spain, Italy, Western Germany and France will be in the 82-88% range. While East Germany will probably be stuck in the 60s.
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Can't take sevens seriously as rugby.
It just isn't.
And Lote Tuqiri isn't Lote Tuqiri either.
Deception on many levels.0 -
Nearly as bad as 3x3 basketball.....dixiedean said:Can't take sevens seriously as rugby.
It just isn't.
And Lote Tuqiri isn't Lote Tuqiri either.
Deception on many levels.0 -
Maybe the best cameramen/women weren't able to get to Japan.FrancisUrquhart said:I take it back, the coverage is even worse than GB News.
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The Living Wage is already essentially £9 per hour and will be £10 per hour surely before next General Election. So what do they mean by saying £10?FrancisUrquhart said:Labour announces launch of ‘new deal for working people’
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/25/labour-announces-launch-new-deal-for-working-people
Sounds like a rehash of the same policy they always go to £10 an hour and guaranteed job or training.
Unless it is rehashing the absolutely insane suggestion of abolishing age bandings. That is completely nuts if so.0 -
The guaranteed job part is worse, it will result in the state creating a load of non-jobs, and won't filling existing gaps that in certain sectors.Philip_Thompson said:
The Living Wage is already essentially £9 per hour and will be £10 per hour surely before next General Election. So what do they mean by saying £10?FrancisUrquhart said:Labour announces launch of ‘new deal for working people’
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/25/labour-announces-launch-new-deal-for-working-people
Sounds like a rehash of the same policy they always go to £10 an hour and guaranteed job or training.
Unless it is rehashing the absolutely insane suggestion of abolishing age bandings. That is completely nuts if so.
There is no way Labour would go anywhere near suggesting a "on your bike to the fields to pick produce" type approach to a guaranteed job.4 -
It seems like announcing a policy for the sake of having a policy, which I suppose they must but a pound or so on the minimum wage is not earth-shattering like its introduction by the first Blair government in 1998. And even then, the policy had been lying around for years if not decades iirc.FrancisUrquhart said:
The guaranteed job part is worse, it will result in the state creating a load of non-jobs, and won't filling existing gaps that in certain sectors.Philip_Thompson said:
The Living Wage is already essentially £9 per hour and will be £10 per hour surely before next General Election. So what do they mean by saying £10?FrancisUrquhart said:Labour announces launch of ‘new deal for working people’
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/25/labour-announces-launch-new-deal-for-working-people
Sounds like a rehash of the same policy they always go to £10 an hour and guaranteed job or training.
Unless it is rehashing the absolutely insane suggestion of abolishing age bandings. That is completely nuts if so.
There is no way Labour would go anywhere near suggesting a "on your bike to the fields to pick produce" type approach to a guaranteed job.
As for jobs and training, the devil is in the detail but as someone-or-other said, if you are debating the details, you've lost.0 -
On triathlons, the bike leg in the sprint (Olympic) triathlon is almost useless as drafting is allowed and the courses are very flat. It means those strong on the bike are disadvantaged compared to runners. A course with lots of climb or no drafting rule (Perhaps both) would make the bike leg more meaningful1
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The Olympic triathlon is actually a Standard Triathlon .A Sprint one is half a Standard - ie 5 k run, 20 k bike etc. i know as I have done both in the past and knackered after a standard!Pulpstar said:On triathlons, the bike leg in the sprint (Olympic) triathlon is almost useless as drafting is allowed and the courses are very flat. It means those strong on the bike are disadvantaged compared to runners. A course with lots of climb or no drafting rule (Perhaps both) would make the bike leg more meaningful
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How can they not find any hills? They’re in Japan!Pulpstar said:On triathlons, the bike leg in the sprint (Olympic) triathlon is almost useless as drafting is allowed and the courses are very flat. It means those strong on the bike are disadvantaged compared to runners. A course with lots of climb or no drafting rule (Perhaps both) would make the bike leg more meaningful
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Those figures don't match up with the French health ministry's stats which have a lower percentage of adults. I wonder if the EU figures take account of under 18s properly.rcs1000 said:
Yes.williamglenn said:
Are you sure?rcs1000 said:
France?williamglenn said:
But that’s all been in the last few weeks so is what is propping up their first dose numbers. They might end up plateauing at the same level as Germany.rcs1000 said:
It is, and that's why I prefer to use the "percent of adults" number, so as to compare like-with-like.williamglenn said:
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.Stuartinromford said:
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.kle4 said:Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
https://www.thelocal.fr/20210708/france-expanding-its-sexy-advertising-campaign-for-covid-vaccines/
Worth noting, though, that France is only at about 30% of 12-17 year olds, so it probably only adds maybe two points to total "vaccinated as percent of the population".
They're ahead of Germany as far as percent of adults (72%) jabbed, and they're doing more first jabs of adults per day currently.
So, I think we can reasonably assume they're not going to plateau at German levels given they're currently ahead of them.
The figures on "percentage of adults" is published by the EU here - https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab
Those numbers are (a) the official ones, (b) more up to date that Our World in Data, and (c) allow you to drill in and see the breakdown by age/vaccine type/etc
Now, given the survey at the top will have been of adults, that's the best one to see if countries are nearing their peak. On those figures, you'd expect Germany and France to peak at around 80%... I'd be a little more optimistic, because the state has many methods of persuading people.
So my guess, FWIW, is that Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark are all going to be at or around the same level as the UK or Iceland - i.e around 90% of adults, give or take.
Spain, Italy, Western Germany and France will be in the 82-88% range. While East Germany will probably be stuck in the 60s.
https://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/grands-dossiers/vaccin-covid-19/article/le-tableau-de-bord-de-la-vaccination0 -
Never mind hills, how did they not notice there was a sodding boat in the way?Sandpit said:
How can they not find any hills? They’re in Japan!Pulpstar said:On triathlons, the bike leg in the sprint (Olympic) triathlon is almost useless as drafting is allowed and the courses are very flat. It means those strong on the bike are disadvantaged compared to runners. A course with lots of climb or no drafting rule (Perhaps both) would make the bike leg more meaningful
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/olympics/579656401 -
It’s turning into something of a comedy. They should really award Tokyo the next available Games in 2036, to let them do it properly.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Never mind hills, how did they not notice there was a sodding boat in the way?Sandpit said:
How can they not find any hills? They’re in Japan!Pulpstar said:On triathlons, the bike leg in the sprint (Olympic) triathlon is almost useless as drafting is allowed and the courses are very flat. It means those strong on the bike are disadvantaged compared to runners. A course with lots of climb or no drafting rule (Perhaps both) would make the bike leg more meaningful
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/olympics/579656402 -
There are a striking number of 100% figures in the ECDC numbers:williamglenn said:
Those figures don't match up with the French health ministry's stats which have a lower percentage of adults. I wonder if the EU figures take account of under 18s properly.rcs1000 said:
Yes.williamglenn said:
Are you sure?rcs1000 said:
France?williamglenn said:
But that’s all been in the last few weeks so is what is propping up their first dose numbers. They might end up plateauing at the same level as Germany.rcs1000 said:
It is, and that's why I prefer to use the "percent of adults" number, so as to compare like-with-like.williamglenn said:
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.Stuartinromford said:
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.kle4 said:Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
https://www.thelocal.fr/20210708/france-expanding-its-sexy-advertising-campaign-for-covid-vaccines/
Worth noting, though, that France is only at about 30% of 12-17 year olds, so it probably only adds maybe two points to total "vaccinated as percent of the population".
They're ahead of Germany as far as percent of adults (72%) jabbed, and they're doing more first jabs of adults per day currently.
So, I think we can reasonably assume they're not going to plateau at German levels given they're currently ahead of them.
The figures on "percentage of adults" is published by the EU here - https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab
Those numbers are (a) the official ones, (b) more up to date that Our World in Data, and (c) allow you to drill in and see the breakdown by age/vaccine type/etc
Now, given the survey at the top will have been of adults, that's the best one to see if countries are nearing their peak. On those figures, you'd expect Germany and France to peak at around 80%... I'd be a little more optimistic, because the state has many methods of persuading people.
So my guess, FWIW, is that Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark are all going to be at or around the same level as the UK or Iceland - i.e around 90% of adults, give or take.
Spain, Italy, Western Germany and France will be in the 82-88% range. While East Germany will probably be stuck in the 60s.
https://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/grands-dossiers/vaccin-covid-19/article/le-tableau-de-bord-de-la-vaccination
https://twitter.com/PaulMainwood/status/1418907992582406146?s=200 -
One says 71% and one says 72%... That's not a big difference.williamglenn said:
Those figures don't match up with the French health ministry's stats which have a lower percentage of adults. I wonder if the EU figures take account of under 18s properly.rcs1000 said:
Yes.williamglenn said:
Are you sure?rcs1000 said:
France?williamglenn said:
But that’s all been in the last few weeks so is what is propping up their first dose numbers. They might end up plateauing at the same level as Germany.rcs1000 said:
It is, and that's why I prefer to use the "percent of adults" number, so as to compare like-with-like.williamglenn said:
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.Stuartinromford said:
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.kle4 said:Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
https://www.thelocal.fr/20210708/france-expanding-its-sexy-advertising-campaign-for-covid-vaccines/
Worth noting, though, that France is only at about 30% of 12-17 year olds, so it probably only adds maybe two points to total "vaccinated as percent of the population".
They're ahead of Germany as far as percent of adults (72%) jabbed, and they're doing more first jabs of adults per day currently.
So, I think we can reasonably assume they're not going to plateau at German levels given they're currently ahead of them.
The figures on "percentage of adults" is published by the EU here - https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab
Those numbers are (a) the official ones, (b) more up to date that Our World in Data, and (c) allow you to drill in and see the breakdown by age/vaccine type/etc
Now, given the survey at the top will have been of adults, that's the best one to see if countries are nearing their peak. On those figures, you'd expect Germany and France to peak at around 80%... I'd be a little more optimistic, because the state has many methods of persuading people.
So my guess, FWIW, is that Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark are all going to be at or around the same level as the UK or Iceland - i.e around 90% of adults, give or take.
Spain, Italy, Western Germany and France will be in the 82-88% range. While East Germany will probably be stuck in the 60s.
https://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/grands-dossiers/vaccin-covid-19/article/le-tableau-de-bord-de-la-vaccination0 -
Professor Peston would call that a massive and significant difference.rcs1000 said:
One says 71% and one says 72%... That's not a big difference.williamglenn said:
Those figures don't match up with the French health ministry's stats which have a lower percentage of adults. I wonder if the EU figures take account of under 18s properly.rcs1000 said:
Yes.williamglenn said:
Are you sure?rcs1000 said:
France?williamglenn said:
But that’s all been in the last few weeks so is what is propping up their first dose numbers. They might end up plateauing at the same level as Germany.rcs1000 said:
It is, and that's why I prefer to use the "percent of adults" number, so as to compare like-with-like.williamglenn said:
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.Stuartinromford said:
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.kle4 said:Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
https://www.thelocal.fr/20210708/france-expanding-its-sexy-advertising-campaign-for-covid-vaccines/
Worth noting, though, that France is only at about 30% of 12-17 year olds, so it probably only adds maybe two points to total "vaccinated as percent of the population".
They're ahead of Germany as far as percent of adults (72%) jabbed, and they're doing more first jabs of adults per day currently.
So, I think we can reasonably assume they're not going to plateau at German levels given they're currently ahead of them.
The figures on "percentage of adults" is published by the EU here - https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab
Those numbers are (a) the official ones, (b) more up to date that Our World in Data, and (c) allow you to drill in and see the breakdown by age/vaccine type/etc
Now, given the survey at the top will have been of adults, that's the best one to see if countries are nearing their peak. On those figures, you'd expect Germany and France to peak at around 80%... I'd be a little more optimistic, because the state has many methods of persuading people.
So my guess, FWIW, is that Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark are all going to be at or around the same level as the UK or Iceland - i.e around 90% of adults, give or take.
Spain, Italy, Western Germany and France will be in the 82-88% range. While East Germany will probably be stuck in the 60s.
https://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/grands-dossiers/vaccin-covid-19/article/le-tableau-de-bord-de-la-vaccination3 -
The difference is simple - the French government site is as of 7/21, while the EU one is 7/23.Sandpit said:
Professor Peston would call that a massive and significant difference.rcs1000 said:
One says 71% and one says 72%... That's not a big difference.williamglenn said:
Those figures don't match up with the French health ministry's stats which have a lower percentage of adults. I wonder if the EU figures take account of under 18s properly.rcs1000 said:
Yes.williamglenn said:
Are you sure?rcs1000 said:
France?williamglenn said:
But that’s all been in the last few weeks so is what is propping up their first dose numbers. They might end up plateauing at the same level as Germany.rcs1000 said:
It is, and that's why I prefer to use the "percent of adults" number, so as to compare like-with-like.williamglenn said:
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.Stuartinromford said:
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.kle4 said:Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
https://www.thelocal.fr/20210708/france-expanding-its-sexy-advertising-campaign-for-covid-vaccines/
Worth noting, though, that France is only at about 30% of 12-17 year olds, so it probably only adds maybe two points to total "vaccinated as percent of the population".
They're ahead of Germany as far as percent of adults (72%) jabbed, and they're doing more first jabs of adults per day currently.
So, I think we can reasonably assume they're not going to plateau at German levels given they're currently ahead of them.
The figures on "percentage of adults" is published by the EU here - https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab
Those numbers are (a) the official ones, (b) more up to date that Our World in Data, and (c) allow you to drill in and see the breakdown by age/vaccine type/etc
Now, given the survey at the top will have been of adults, that's the best one to see if countries are nearing their peak. On those figures, you'd expect Germany and France to peak at around 80%... I'd be a little more optimistic, because the state has many methods of persuading people.
So my guess, FWIW, is that Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark are all going to be at or around the same level as the UK or Iceland - i.e around 90% of adults, give or take.
Spain, Italy, Western Germany and France will be in the 82-88% range. While East Germany will probably be stuck in the 60s.
https://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/grands-dossiers/vaccin-covid-19/article/le-tableau-de-bord-de-la-vaccination
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That's pretty nasty and unnecessary.Sandpit said:
It’s turning into something of a comedy. They should really award Tokyo the next available Games in 2036, to let them do it properly.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Never mind hills, how did they not notice there was a sodding boat in the way?Sandpit said:
How can they not find any hills? They’re in Japan!Pulpstar said:On triathlons, the bike leg in the sprint (Olympic) triathlon is almost useless as drafting is allowed and the courses are very flat. It means those strong on the bike are disadvantaged compared to runners. A course with lots of climb or no drafting rule (Perhaps both) would make the bike leg more meaningful
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/olympics/57965640
It has been an incredibly challenging and sometimes divisive Games for Tokyo to run and I feel rather sorry for them.
They have to hope tropical storm Nepartak tracks north too.0 -
Albeit, pretty much all in very small countries - Malta, Iceland, Ireland, and almost certainly the consequence of using the last available census data for counting the number of aged people.CarlottaVance said:
There are a striking number of 100% figures in the ECDC numbers:williamglenn said:
Those figures don't match up with the French health ministry's stats which have a lower percentage of adults. I wonder if the EU figures take account of under 18s properly.rcs1000 said:
Yes.williamglenn said:
Are you sure?rcs1000 said:
France?williamglenn said:
But that’s all been in the last few weeks so is what is propping up their first dose numbers. They might end up plateauing at the same level as Germany.rcs1000 said:
It is, and that's why I prefer to use the "percent of adults" number, so as to compare like-with-like.williamglenn said:
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.Stuartinromford said:
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.kle4 said:Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
https://www.thelocal.fr/20210708/france-expanding-its-sexy-advertising-campaign-for-covid-vaccines/
Worth noting, though, that France is only at about 30% of 12-17 year olds, so it probably only adds maybe two points to total "vaccinated as percent of the population".
They're ahead of Germany as far as percent of adults (72%) jabbed, and they're doing more first jabs of adults per day currently.
So, I think we can reasonably assume they're not going to plateau at German levels given they're currently ahead of them.
The figures on "percentage of adults" is published by the EU here - https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab
Those numbers are (a) the official ones, (b) more up to date that Our World in Data, and (c) allow you to drill in and see the breakdown by age/vaccine type/etc
Now, given the survey at the top will have been of adults, that's the best one to see if countries are nearing their peak. On those figures, you'd expect Germany and France to peak at around 80%... I'd be a little more optimistic, because the state has many methods of persuading people.
So my guess, FWIW, is that Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark are all going to be at or around the same level as the UK or Iceland - i.e around 90% of adults, give or take.
Spain, Italy, Western Germany and France will be in the 82-88% range. While East Germany will probably be stuck in the 60s.
https://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/grands-dossiers/vaccin-covid-19/article/le-tableau-de-bord-de-la-vaccination
https://twitter.com/PaulMainwood/status/1418907992582406146?s=200
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