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Some very encouraging polling worldwide and especially in the UK – politicalbetting.com

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  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492

    Siri: Show me a worse combination than pineapple on pizza.


    Is it main course, or dessert, or both?!
    Starter?
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,737


    Cases are going up everywhere

    You ladies can bitch and moan all you like, but if there is not the carnage you yourselves predicted in the months ahead in these unvaccinated states, you have some pretty serious explaining to do, or another piece of the groupthink that passes for analysis on here bites the dust.

    So far these states look pretty similar to what has happened here except for vastly more vaccination here.

    Cases in Texas are not even rising that much, despite that state being completely open for months. How'd that happen girls?



    You don't talk about Florida much these days, that was your golden state a while back.]


    Florida is recording more Covid-19 cases than any other U.S. state, as hospitalizations in some areas increase at the fastest rate since the start of the pandemic.

    The state accounts for one in five new infections in the U.S. and logged 73,181 cases over the past week, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Florida had 341 cases per 100,000 people over the past week, second only to Louisiana. The weekly total of new cases reported by Florida jumped more than fourfold between July 1 and July 22, reaching its highest point since mid-January.

    Deaths in Florida totaled 319 over the past week, the most among states, with a rate of 1.5 per 100,000 people, the fourth-highest, according to the CDC.

    Epidemiologists say various factors are at play: large numbers of unvaccinated people, a relaxation of preventive measures like mask-wearing and social distancing, the spread of the highly contagious Delta variant of the coronavirus and the congregation of people indoors during hot summer months.


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/florida-leads-u-s-in-covid-19-cases-as-hospitalizations-surge-11627131600

    and

    By week’s end, Florida was accounting for almost a quarter of new infections nationally, with the US surgeon general, Vivek Murthy, warning of an “alarming” rise in deaths and hospitalizations.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/25/florida-covid-coronavirus-ron-desantis-vaccine
    It’s a real mystery why anti vax ideology is so closely correlated with lockdown scepticism. Surely the whole point of the latter is that containment is an unrealistic policy beyond the short term, so you might as well get to herd immunity asap, without the detrimental side effects of lockdown while you get there.

    Well luckily for lockdown sceptics, the vaccines have arrived, which means we can get to herd immunity far more quickly (and with far less death and medical ailments) than letting the virus do its thing. The vaccines should be celebrated by anyone opposed to lockdown for ideological or practical reasons.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,519
    rcs1000 said:

    Where I've lived in London, by order of preference

    Fitzrovia (best)
    Hampstead
    Aldgate East
    Pimlico
    Bayswater (worst)

    But even my lowest is probably still 7.5/10: each of those places was great in one way or another.

    I loved Bayswater for the park and the pretty decent high street and the good transport links. Pimlico was my introduction to London. Aldgate East had Brick Lane and Wapping on our doorstep. Hampstead is just the most beautiful place to be.

    But Fitzrovia is walking distance from both Central London, Charlotte Street, and Regents Park. It was also a delightful, hidden village in the centre of London.

    My list, also in order of preference

    Holloway (diversity paradise)
    Westminster (OK but mainly for the job it let me do)
    Chelsea (nice but no Tube)
    Holland Park (very young but seemed pleasant enough)
    Maida Vale (too young to appreciate)
    Marylebone (a bit too touristy)

    But all of them good!
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,541
    VI-1 wine certificates scrapped worldwide for import into the UK. Should mean more choice in new world wines from small producers who wouldn't export before, and EU wine imports won't get harder than they already are:

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-k-scrap-post-brexit-165837854.html
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,582

    Siri: Show me a worse combination than pineapple on pizza.


    Is it main course, or dessert, or both?!
    Heathens who don't know that Yorkshire Pudding is great for *all* courses should be drummed out of Eat Club.

    I particularly recommend making far too many and eating them with maple syrup.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Nice fuck up in the men's Olympic triathlon where half the field false started and had to be dragged back from the swim after a few hundred metres, and the other half the field didn't go and were left standing waiting wondering what the heck was happening.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,519

    I didn't realise I was so far off a complete set.

    Also that nobody is at all curious about what you did , just about obscure police forces
    Hey, I'm curious - do tell!

    I used to know someone (British) who had been arrested by police forces in four countries. He said he was a bird-watcher, and bird sanctuaries tended to be in sort of remote areas where you put airbases.

    I was never entirely convinced.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,081
    Pagan2 said:

    FPT

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Omnium said:

    mwadams said:

    alex_ said:

    MaxPB said:

    Just read what Javid said. I am not a fan of the government, but for goodness sake, this looks like people trying to take offence!

    It definitely was and the truth of what he said hasn't changed. People just don't want to hear it.
    Agree, but as i said last night i think if he had said "we shouldn't be cowed by it" as opposed to "people shouldn't cower from it", i doubt it would have been an issue.

    Maybe.

    I think that's probably what was meant (someone will probably argue that it means the same thing!)
    That ignores the fact that he's a massive Ayn Rand fan and he's quoting. I think he thought it would be a positive.
    Is being an Ayn Rand fan a negative? I have an unopened copy of Atlas Shrugged about to be opened.
    With very few exceptions those who love that book are ultra libertarian fruitcakes.

    So if that's you, you are in for a treat.
    When socialism raises millions from poverty then you get to complain (sure you will diagree but cite an example) in the mean while the right wing has sucessfully lifted 100 millions out of poverty. And no not a rand fan but you purely dont like it because she is a right winger rather than the fact that actually she just wasnt a good writer
    Where has the right wing lifted 100s of millions out of poverty?
    You are aware capitalism is considered right wing?
    I don't think you can claim economic growth as a scalp for the philosophy of Ayn Rand. It would take us back to the caves.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    edited July 2021

    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    On preferred London locales, I am happy to say that - prisons aside (I was innocent, so it seems fair) - I have only lived in a "1"

    ie a postcode ending in "1"

    I've lived in

    NW1
    W1
    WC1
    N1
    and
    E1


    I'd quite like to try SW1 and S1 but there isn't an S1 (why?)

    From a postcode perspective (and including my current London flat), I've lived in:

    W1
    WC1
    NW3
    W2
    E1

    So, that's a pretty similar list.
    Seems I'm the only person here with a big London spread, posh and not. North and South. Inner and outer.

    I've also done a cell but only at the station so Leon wins that one.
    I've been arrested/detained by three different types of [sort of] police in Britain.

    I'll eat an extra slice of tomorrow's birthday cake for whoever can think of the three different types.
    British Transport
    Nuclear Police
    Normal police
    Modplod has to fit in somehow?
    Speshul Police Farces -

    British Transport Police
    Civil Nuclear Constabulary
    Ministry of Defence Police
    National Police Air Service
    Church of England Churchwardens also have the power of arrest.
    I didn't realise I was so far off a complete set.
    Also that nobody is at all curious about what you did , just about obscure police forces
    I assumed he kept setting off his alarm systems as he, well, forgot his password.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,854
    Having read TSE's header I chased down the Private Eye involvement which I must have missed.

    Fascinating

    https://briandeer.com/wakefield/private-eye.htm
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,048
    The old jokes about the Tobacco companies moving out of tobacco and into weed are now just true.

    I'm trying to remember the police series in the US where they find the tobacco company was trying to swap growing info and seeds with a Mexican cartel - so they could *both* swap businesses....
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,081
    tlg86 said:

    Ealing, W5. That is all

    I haven't slept one night in Greater London.
    You should close the windows.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,020
    edited July 2021

    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    On preferred London locales, I am happy to say that - prisons aside (I was innocent, so it seems fair) - I have only lived in a "1"

    ie a postcode ending in "1"

    I've lived in

    NW1
    W1
    WC1
    N1
    and
    E1


    I'd quite like to try SW1 and S1 but there isn't an S1 (why?)

    From a postcode perspective (and including my current London flat), I've lived in:

    W1
    WC1
    NW3
    W2
    E1

    So, that's a pretty similar list.
    Seems I'm the only person here with a big London spread, posh and not. North and South. Inner and outer.

    I've also done a cell but only at the station so Leon wins that one.
    I've been arrested/detained by three different types of [sort of] police in Britain.

    I'll eat an extra slice of tomorrow's birthday cake for whoever can think of the three different types.
    British Transport
    Nuclear Police
    Normal police
    Modplod has to fit in somehow?
    Speshul Police Farces -

    British Transport Police
    Civil Nuclear Constabulary
    Ministry of Defence Police
    National Police Air Service
    Church of England Churchwardens also have the power of arrest.
    I didn't realise I was so far off a complete set.
    England, churchwardens have specific powers to enable them to keep the peace in churchyards.

    The following are punishable with a £200 fine:[6]

    riotous, violent, or indecent behaviour in any cathedral church, parish or district church or chapel of the Church of England or in any churchyard or burial ground (whether during a service or at any other time)
    molesting, disturbing, vexing, or troubling, or by any other unlawful means disquieting or misusing:
    any preacher duly authorised to preach therein, or
    any clergyman in holy orders ministering or celebrating any sacrament, or any divine service, rite, or office, in any cathedral, church, or chapel, or in any churchyard or burial ground.
    The churchwarden of the parish or place where the offence was committed may apprehend a person committing such an offence, and take them before a magistrates' court.[6] In practice this means they should be aware of these offences and may be expected to conduct a citizen's arrest until police arrive, if appropriate. Until 2003, the offence was punishable by up to two months' imprisonment.

    However, caution is advised in the use of this power.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchwarden#Powers
    mwadams said:

    Siri: Show me a worse combination than pineapple on pizza.


    Is it main course, or dessert, or both?!
    Heathens who don't know that Yorkshire Pudding is great for *all* courses should be drummed out of Eat Club.

    I particularly recommend making far too many and eating them with maple syrup.
    Blackberry vinegar.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,081

    alex_ said:

    Gnud said:

    Defecating and urinating in the street can be and has been banned in specified areas by local authorities issuing Public Spaces Protection Orders under the Anti-Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014. Breaches of PSPOs are punishable with on-the-spot fines.

    Whether Cambridge City Council can declare the sites of Cambridge colleges' May Balls to be "specified areas" is unclear.

    The offence of "urinating in the street" is something which IMO is, or should be, easily challengeable right up to the Supreme Court. I think the basic right predates the Magna Carta under the fundamental principle of "when you've got to go you've got to go"
    It is a little known fact that the law does not apply to Golf courses . There you will find all kinds of middle to elder aged men exercising the exemption from judges to retired police superintendents
    Yep. I rarely make it past the 13th.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846
    MaxPB said:

    Congrats to the PB Londoners.

    This postcode talk is certainly a way of excluding outsiders from their discussion.

    Suburbs I know but postcodes require wiki translation

    In general (but not always) the lower the number the closer to the centre.
    They are broadly alpahabetical order, with a few quirks, and with SE and SW in two batches each.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,081

    Congrats to the PB Londoners.

    This postcode talk is certainly a way of excluding outsiders from their discussion.

    Suburbs I know but postcodes require wiki translation

    Better than the Ox v Cam babble surely.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited July 2021
    This looks like rubbish bike course, too tight and twisty and no hills...so i would think nearly impossible to burst away or even to turn a big gear and put your opponents under pressure.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Hey Siri, show me a worse combination than pineapple on pizza.


    That looks nice.

    Since the Yorkshire pudding is basically a glorified pancake anyway - if someone had said a crepe with clotted cream and jam I doubt you'd object?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846
    So the special French travel category is widely seen as another government cock-up and everyone now seems to be expecting another u-turn in the coming week.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,854

    The old jokes about the Tobacco companies moving out of tobacco and into weed are now just true.

    I'm trying to remember the police series in the US where they find the tobacco company was trying to swap growing info and seeds with a Mexican cartel - so they could *both* swap businesses....
    The CEO of Marlborough's ad agency has probably shot himself
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    edited July 2021

    Hey Siri, show me a worse combination than pineapple on pizza.


    That looks nice.

    Since the Yorkshire pudding is basically a glorified pancake anyway - if someone had said a crepe with clotted cream and jam I doubt you'd object?
    The baking makes it taste completely different though. Bread is glorified flour, but eating flour straight out of the bag, or griddled, is just not the same.

    That said, I've give cream in Yorkshires a chance.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,569
    edited July 2021
    IanB2 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Congrats to the PB Londoners.

    This postcode talk is certainly a way of excluding outsiders from their discussion.

    Suburbs I know but postcodes require wiki translation

    In general (but not always) the lower the number the closer to the centre.
    They are broadly alpahabetical order, with a few quirks, and with SE and SW in two batches each.
    While on the fascinating subject of postcodes and their allocation, can anyone explain the anomaly in the LE postcodes? These start fairly conventionally with LE1 in Leicester City centre, and go up to LE18 in Wigston, but then jump to LE65 in Ashby de la Zouch and LE67 in Coalville.

    Why?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846
    IanB2 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Congrats to the PB Londoners.

    This postcode talk is certainly a way of excluding outsiders from their discussion.

    Suburbs I know but postcodes require wiki translation

    In general (but not always) the lower the number the closer to the centre.
    They are broadly alpahabetical order, with a few quirks, and with SE and SW in two batches each.
    With a p.s. that 1 is (was) always the ‘head’ sub-district with the main sorting office, in the old days towards the centre of town.

    As I recall the sub districts were numbered during the First World War to make it easier for the then female sorters.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    I see Prof Peston has made a complete arse of himself again:

    https://twitter.com/kallmemeg/status/1419246354224848897?s=21
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited July 2021

    I see Prof Peston has made a complete arse of himself again:

    https://twitter.com/kallmemeg/status/1419246354224848897?s=21

    Already discussed multiple times....and 12hrs later, still no correction...and of course been shared by 1000s.

    Its beyond a joke now. He does this every other week. We need JVT to go Roy Keane on him....two foot challenge to the kneecaps.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,081
    kle4 said:

    Hey Siri, show me a worse combination than pineapple on pizza.


    That looks nice.

    Since the Yorkshire pudding is basically a glorified pancake anyway - if someone had said a crepe with clotted cream and jam I doubt you'd object?
    The baking makes it taste completely different though. Bread is glorified flour, but eating flour straight out of the bag, or griddled, is just not the same.

    That said, I've give cream in Yorkshires a chance.
    The key to Yorkshire puddings is they need to be soggy. Biggest error is making them crispy like a biscuit.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Here’s the graph causing all this upset in No10: the under-40s vaccination rate plateauing at a far-lower level

    https://twitter.com/spectator/status/1419418914975518720?s=20
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    I see Prof Peston has made a complete arse of himself again:

    https://twitter.com/kallmemeg/status/1419246354224848897?s=21

    Already discussed multiple times....and 12hrs later, still no correction...and of course been shared by 1000s.

    Its beyond a joke now. He does this every other week.
    “Seriously understates” - by about 1%!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,916
    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Hey Siri, show me a worse combination than pineapple on pizza.


    That looks nice.

    Since the Yorkshire pudding is basically a glorified pancake anyway - if someone had said a crepe with clotted cream and jam I doubt you'd object?
    The baking makes it taste completely different though. Bread is glorified flour, but eating flour straight out of the bag, or griddled, is just not the same.

    That said, I've give cream in Yorkshires a chance.
    The key to Yorkshire puddings is they need to be soggy. Biggest error is making them crispy like a biscuit.
    Chewy anyway, yer nan's bread as it were.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846
    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Congrats to the PB Londoners.

    This postcode talk is certainly a way of excluding outsiders from their discussion.

    Suburbs I know but postcodes require wiki translation

    In general (but not always) the lower the number the closer to the centre.
    They are broadly alpahabetical order, with a few quirks, and with SE and SW in two batches each.
    While on the fascinating subject of postcodes and their allocation, can anyone explain the anomaly in the LE postcodes? These start fairly conventionally with LE1 in Leicester City centre, and go up to LE18 in Wigston, but then jump to LE65 in Ashby de la Zouch and LE67 in Coalville.

    Why?
    Looks like the original LE6 was subdivided with the two new areas keeping the beginning part LE6…
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,081

    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    On preferred London locales, I am happy to say that - prisons aside (I was innocent, so it seems fair) - I have only lived in a "1"

    ie a postcode ending in "1"

    I've lived in

    NW1
    W1
    WC1
    N1
    and
    E1


    I'd quite like to try SW1 and S1 but there isn't an S1 (why?)

    From a postcode perspective (and including my current London flat), I've lived in:

    W1
    WC1
    NW3
    W2
    E1

    So, that's a pretty similar list.
    Seems I'm the only person here with a big London spread, posh and not. North and South. Inner and outer.

    I've also done a cell but only at the station so Leon wins that one.
    I've been arrested/detained by three different types of [sort of] police in Britain.

    I'll eat an extra slice of tomorrow's birthday cake for whoever can think of the three different types.
    British Transport
    Nuclear Police
    Normal police
    Modplod has to fit in somehow?
    Speshul Police Farces -

    British Transport Police
    Civil Nuclear Constabulary
    Ministry of Defence Police
    National Police Air Service
    Church of England Churchwardens also have the power of arrest.
    I didn't realise I was so far off a complete set.
    Also that nobody is at all curious about what you did , just about obscure police forces
    I think it's a 'don't ask don't tell'.
  • GnudGnud Posts: 298
    edited July 2021
    Reality check: Daniel Sugarman says he wants "every single one" of "these people" to be involuntarily detained in hospital not after being arrested on suspicion of committing a crime, or charged with any crime, but after being assessed by "health professionals" as being in urgent need of psychiatric treatment and being a risk to themselves or others. That is what it is to be "sectioned" under the Mental Health Act.

    I don't know whether he means the speakers at the protest demonstration or everyone who took part in it. I guess he means the latter, because "every single one" sounds like a large number, whereas the number of speakers was probably no more than about 10.

    I had never heard of Mr Sugarman before, so I looked him up. He is the Public Affairs Officer of the Board of Deputies of British Jews. WTF??!! Is he alleging that there were anti-Semitic speeches or actions at the demonstration? As he well knows, there are laws against that kind of thing. To spell it out: those who encourage anti-Semitism, whether they do it openly or in a deliberately veiled hinty way, are committing a crime and they can be charged, prosecuted, and jailed. Crimes should be dealt with by the criminal justice system, not by psychiatrists. But he doesn't seem to be alleging a crime. WTF is he on about?

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited July 2021
    All coming back together in the triathlon, going to be down to run.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited July 2021
    Getting solid evidence now of antibody waning from the UK (where longer dosing intervals of 8-12 weeks are used) from brilliant @rob_aldridge & team at UCL

    The million dollar question is... will it translate into infections?


    https://twitter.com/kallmemeg/status/1419420960428548109?s=20

    AIUI it’s not just anti-bodies that determine the immune systems response - they are part of, but not the whole, story.

    Or will memory T cells & rest of immune system save the day?

    And - even if it does result in infection - what is the symptom profile of those infections?

    Are they more likely to be asymptomatic/mild or is it a full regression to susceptibility (spoiler: unlikely)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,081

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Hey Siri, show me a worse combination than pineapple on pizza.


    That looks nice.

    Since the Yorkshire pudding is basically a glorified pancake anyway - if someone had said a crepe with clotted cream and jam I doubt you'd object?
    The baking makes it taste completely different though. Bread is glorified flour, but eating flour straight out of the bag, or griddled, is just not the same.

    That said, I've give cream in Yorkshires a chance.
    The key to Yorkshire puddings is they need to be soggy. Biggest error is making them crispy like a biscuit.
    Chewy anyway, yer nan's bread as it were.
    Yes, then the gravy sinks in. Think I have to say at this point - true or not - that my old granny used to do the best ones ever.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    I've never lived in a '1' postcode. Even our flat in central Leeds was LS11.

    Sometimes existing postcodes get divided. When I lived in Cardiff 1999-2000 I initially lived in CF1 but that was divided into CF10 and (IIRC) CF11. I don’t think they’d started allocating overlapping postcodes before I left.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846
    Leon said:

    On preferred London locales, I am happy to say that - prisons aside (I was innocent, so it seems fair) - I have only lived in a "1"

    ie a postcode ending in "1"

    I've lived in

    NW1
    W1
    WC1
    N1
    and
    E1


    I'd quite like to try SW1 and S1 but there isn't an S1 (why?)

    Blame Anthony Trollope. He didn’t like the S, so it was split between SE and SW (which already existed, both being enlarged) and the S got given to Sheffield. Similarly with the old NE, which got given to Newcastle.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813

    Getting solid evidence now of antibody waning from the UK (where longer dosing intervals of 8-12 weeks are used) from brilliant @rob_aldridge & team at UCL

    The million dollar question is... will it translate into infections?


    https://twitter.com/kallmemeg/status/1419420960428548109?s=20

    AIUI it’s not just anti-bodies that determine the immune systems response - they are part of, but not the whole, story.

    Good job boosters start in 4-5 weeks....i think realistically we are all going to end up getting one, just to be on the safe side.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,519
    Gnud said:

    Reality check: Daniel Sugarman says he wants "every single one" of "these people" to be involuntarily detained in hospital not after being arrested on suspicion of committing a crime, or charged with any crime, but after being assessed by "health professionals" as being in urgent need of psychiatric treatment and being a risk to themselves or others. That is what it is to be "sectioned" under the Mental Health Act.

    I don't know whether he means the speakers at the protest demonstration or everyone who took part in it. I guess he means the latter, because "every single one" sounds like a large number, whereas the number of speakers was probably no more than about 10.

    I had never heard of Mr Sugarman before, so I looked him up. He is the Public Affairs Officer of the Board of Deputies of British Jews. WTF??!! Is he alleging that there were anti-Semitic speeches or actions at the demonstration? As he well knows, there are laws against that kind of thing. To spell it out: those who encourage anti-Semitism, whether they do it openly or in a deliberately veiled hinty way, are committing a crime and they can be charged, prosecuted, and jailed. Crimes should be dealt with by the criminal justice system, not by psychiatrists. But he doesn't seem to be alleging a crime. WTF is he on about?

    I think he's just basically saying he thinks they're nuts. I doubt if he really thinks they should be sectioned. It's a tweet, not a weighty submission.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,569
    edited July 2021
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Congrats to the PB Londoners.

    This postcode talk is certainly a way of excluding outsiders from their discussion.

    Suburbs I know but postcodes require wiki translation

    In general (but not always) the lower the number the closer to the centre.
    They are broadly alpahabetical order, with a few quirks, and with SE and SW in two batches each.
    While on the fascinating subject of postcodes and their allocation, can anyone explain the anomaly in the LE postcodes? These start fairly conventionally with LE1 in Leicester City centre, and go up to LE18 in Wigston, but then jump to LE65 in Ashby de la Zouch and LE67 in Coalville.

    Why?
    Looks like the original LE6 was subdivided with the two new areas keeping the beginning part LE6…
    But why LE65? Why not LE61 and LE62?

    🤔
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,081
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    On preferred London locales, I am happy to say that - prisons aside (I was innocent, so it seems fair) - I have only lived in a "1"

    ie a postcode ending in "1"

    I've lived in

    NW1
    W1
    WC1
    N1
    and
    E1


    I'd quite like to try SW1 and S1 but there isn't an S1 (why?)

    Blame Anthony Trollope. He didn’t like the S, so it was split between SE and SW (which already existed, both being enlarged) and the S got given to Sheffield. Similarly with the old NE, which got given to Newcastle.
    Question asked. Question answered. This is how things should be.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    moonshine said:

    I remember as a youngster on nights out, you’d get those girls coming round selling shots, or 5 minute back rubs and what not. Always dressed to the nines. Circulating table to table and group to group in busy bars.

    They should get nurses to do something similar with covid vaccines. It’s amazing what a half cut lad will do for a pretty girl in a nice outfit. “Come on big brave lad like you scared of a needle?” Most of that lot haven’t had one yet because they can’t be faffed, not for any other reason. The peer pressure once one in the group has it guarantees the rest all do.

    As for older religious groups? Perhaps some financial donations to community religious groups for each vaccine administered after the weekly service.

    I don’t have good ideas on how to persuade the “my body is a temple” lot.

    Much as I like this, clearly light-hearted, idea I can't help but suspect there might be risks around reactions with other drugs and alcohol and recipients not being in a great state to give accurate medical histories around allergies/pre-existing conditions.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    Philip Morris buying a company which manufactures inhalers is black comedy at its finest.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,020

    Hey Siri, show me a worse combination than pineapple on pizza.


    That looks nice.

    Since the Yorkshire pudding is basically a glorified pancake anyway - if someone had said a crepe with clotted cream and jam I doubt you'd object?
    Wrong way up.

    Jam first.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited July 2021
    BBC News - Speakers' Corner: Woman attacked with knife

    Footage shared on social media shows someone dressed in black approaching a woman wearing a Charlie Hebdo T-shirt.

    She is later seen clutching her right hand close to her body, with what appears to be blood at her temple, as she is helped into a police van by officers who were nearby.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57965251
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    Business time now in the triathlon.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386
    Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    dixiedean said:

    Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.

    Which order would you go with?
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042

    dixiedean said:

    Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.

    Which order would you go with?
    Got to be swimming last, imho.

    Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,152
    dixiedean said:

    Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.

    Swimming first makes sense as you wouldn’t want anyone to get into trouble, which could happen if it was second or third. I guess cycling last might produce more exciting finishes.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    The camerawork on the triathlon is hilarious. The motorbikes with cameras on keep turning corners and losing sight of the runners and the TV feed team clearly has no warning before it happens.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited July 2021
    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.

    Swimming first makes sense as you wouldn’t want anyone to get into trouble, which could happen if it was second or third. I guess cycling last might produce more exciting finishes.
    Bike last with a hill climb. That would sort out the men from the gods.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.

    Swimming first makes sense as you wouldn’t want anyone to get into trouble, which could happen if it was second or third. I guess cycling last might produce more exciting finishes.
    I hadn't considered the risk of swimming last, was just thinking of (dis)comfort. Fair point though.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    Quincel said:

    The camerawork on the triathlon is hilarious. The motorbikes with cameras on keep turning corners and losing sight of the runners and the TV feed team clearly has no warning before it happens.

    During the swimming they had the spray all over the lens for large parts of it.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    Yee is 1/2 on Betfair to win, given he leads a pack with 3 laps to go. Seems a bit short? Not like he has a stunning record of always running from this position.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386

    dixiedean said:

    Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.

    Which order would you go with?
    Running first. Which would break them up for a cleaner swim leg.
    Bike last would then mean much more tactical, dramatic and different kinds of races.
    With groups of leaders and chasers, etc..It seems a lot of them use the bike leg as a bit of a break.
  • Quincel said:

    dixiedean said:

    Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.

    Which order would you go with?
    Got to be swimming last, imho.

    Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
    They do it in this order because in most triathlon locations you need a wetsuit for the swim. And taking off a wetsuit is a lot easier (and quicker ( than putting it on.
    And getting on to a bike with shoes already clipped to the pedals is hard enough when you've just done a swim, let alone a swim and a run.
    This is the only sensible order.
    You've obviously never attended a triathlon in person and seen the transitions up close (both my brothers have a long history in sprint and iron man triathlon).
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042

    Quincel said:

    The camerawork on the triathlon is hilarious. The motorbikes with cameras on keep turning corners and losing sight of the runners and the TV feed team clearly has no warning before it happens.

    During the swimming they had the spray all over the lens for large parts of it.
    I did enjoy the cycling section when we switched to the helicopter but it was the wrong side of an elevated railway line so couldn't see the racers. A long few seconds passed until the director moved us to a bike cam.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042

    Quincel said:

    dixiedean said:

    Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.

    Which order would you go with?
    Got to be swimming last, imho.

    Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
    You've obviously never attended a triathlon in person and seen the transitions up close (both my brothers have a long history in sprint and iron man triathlon).
    You are not wrong, I bow to your knowledge of this topic and many thanks. Always nice to learn something new every day.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386
    Quincel said:

    dixiedean said:

    Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.

    Which order would you go with?
    Got to be swimming last, imho.

    Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
    Peaty is breaststroke. The slowest stroke by far. And he does 100m. Not 1500.
    That would be like putting Usain Bolt in for the 10k.
    Decent idea, mind.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited July 2021
    dixiedean said:

    Quincel said:

    dixiedean said:

    Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.

    Which order would you go with?
    Got to be swimming last, imho.

    Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
    Peaty is breaststroke. The slowest stroke by far. And he does 100m. Not 1500.
    That would be like putting Usain Bolt in for the 10k.
    Decent idea, mind.
    You wouldn't have Cavendish either for the same reason. You want a time trial specialist.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    Here we go.....exciting part of the race.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386

    dixiedean said:

    Quincel said:

    dixiedean said:

    Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.

    Which order would you go with?
    Got to be swimming last, imho.

    Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
    Peaty is breaststroke. The slowest stroke by far. And he does 100m. Not 1500.
    That would be like putting Usain Bolt in for the 10k.
    Decent idea, mind.
    You wouldn't have Cavendish either for the same reason. You want a time trial specialist.
    However. If cycling were last, you may well want him. Providing there was no climbing.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quincel said:

    dixiedean said:

    Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.

    Which order would you go with?
    Got to be swimming last, imho.

    Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
    Peaty is breaststroke. The slowest stroke by far. And he does 100m. Not 1500.
    That would be like putting Usain Bolt in for the 10k.
    Decent idea, mind.
    You wouldn't have Cavendish either for the same reason. You want a time trial specialist.
    However. If cycling were last, you may well want him. Providing there was no climbing.
    I don't think it would work. Somebody could put down the big gear with a few km to go and Cavendish can't hang the elite pace for long, he is always miles off on trial times.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    GB News techs clearly hired for the triathlon coverage....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    Brownlee elastic has snapped....
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quincel said:

    dixiedean said:

    Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.

    Which order would you go with?
    Got to be swimming last, imho.

    Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
    Peaty is breaststroke. The slowest stroke by far. And he does 100m. Not 1500.
    That would be like putting Usain Bolt in for the 10k.
    Decent idea, mind.
    You wouldn't have Cavendish either for the same reason. You want a time trial specialist.
    However. If cycling were last, you may well want him. Providing there was no climbing.
    I don't think it would work. Somebody could put down the big gear with a few km to go and Cavendish can't hang the elite pace for long, he is always miles off on trial times.
    Yep. Having considered that, it's true.
    Would be an interesting event though.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,485

    BBC News - Speakers' Corner: Woman attacked with knife

    Footage shared on social media shows someone dressed in black approaching a woman wearing a Charlie Hebdo T-shirt.

    She is later seen clutching her right hand close to her body, with what appears to be blood at her temple, as she is helped into a police van by officers who were nearby.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57965251

    Free speech mustn't give in to this sort of thing.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quincel said:

    dixiedean said:

    Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.

    Which order would you go with?
    Got to be swimming last, imho.

    Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
    Peaty is breaststroke. The slowest stroke by far. And he does 100m. Not 1500.
    That would be like putting Usain Bolt in for the 10k.
    Decent idea, mind.
    You wouldn't have Cavendish either for the same reason. You want a time trial specialist.
    However. If cycling were last, you may well want him. Providing there was no climbing.
    I don't think it would work. Somebody could put down the big gear with a few km to go and Cavendish can't hang the elite pace for long, he is always miles off on trial times.
    Yep. Having considered that, it's true.
    Would be an interesting event though.
    Oh i think it would be an awesome event.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    All on the limit now.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    I take it back, the coverage is even worse than GB News.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    Quincel said:

    Yee is 1/2 on Betfair to win, given he leads a pack with 3 laps to go. Seems a bit short? Not like he has a stunning record of always running from this position.

    Wish I'd made this bet...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited July 2021
    Is this going to be the story for Team GB of these Olympics...lots of 2nd and 3rd?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quincel said:

    dixiedean said:

    Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.

    Which order would you go with?
    Got to be swimming last, imho.

    Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
    Peaty is breaststroke. The slowest stroke by far. And he does 100m. Not 1500.
    That would be like putting Usain Bolt in for the 10k.
    Decent idea, mind.
    You wouldn't have Cavendish either for the same reason. You want a time trial specialist.
    However. If cycling were last, you may well want him. Providing there was no climbing.
    I don't think it would work. Somebody could put down the big gear with a few km to go and Cavendish can't hang the elite pace for long, he is always miles off on trial times.
    Yep. Having considered that, it's true.
    Would be an interesting event though.
    Oh i think it would be an awesome event.
    Having given it a little further thought.
    8 runners in a team. Then 8 swimmers. Then 8 cyclists. As 1 finishes, team manager gets to nominate which cyclist goes off first, depending on how the race lies.
    The tactics and strategy would be utterly fascinating.
  • dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quincel said:

    dixiedean said:

    Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.

    Which order would you go with?
    Got to be swimming last, imho.

    Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
    Peaty is breaststroke. The slowest stroke by far. And he does 100m. Not 1500.
    That would be like putting Usain Bolt in for the 10k.
    Decent idea, mind.
    You wouldn't have Cavendish either for the same reason. You want a time trial specialist.
    However. If cycling were last, you may well want him. Providing there was no climbing.
    I don't think it would work. Somebody could put down the big gear with a few km to go and Cavendish can't hang the elite pace for long, he is always miles off on trial times.
    Yep. Having considered that, it's true.
    Would be an interesting event though.
    Oh i think it would be an awesome event.
    There are three-person triathlon events like that, but I think only at amateur level. My brothers tried to persuade me to do one with them at Blenheim (a great day out for spectators) a few years back, as one likes cycling, the other running and both hate swimming, but I managed to weasel out of it
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386
    That this Alex Yee can speak. Let alone in coherent sentences is mightily impressive.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quincel said:

    dixiedean said:

    Never understand why they do the triathlon in this order.

    Which order would you go with?
    Got to be swimming last, imho.

    Other thing I'd change is the individual and team event, where the team was a relay with three different athletes doing the different disciplines. We could have Cavendish/Farah/Peaty or something.
    Peaty is breaststroke. The slowest stroke by far. And he does 100m. Not 1500.
    That would be like putting Usain Bolt in for the 10k.
    Decent idea, mind.
    You wouldn't have Cavendish either for the same reason. You want a time trial specialist.
    However. If cycling were last, you may well want him. Providing there was no climbing.
    I don't think it would work. Somebody could put down the big gear with a few km to go and Cavendish can't hang the elite pace for long, he is always miles off on trial times.
    Yep. Having considered that, it's true.
    Would be an interesting event though.
    Oh i think it would be an awesome event.
    There are three-person triathlon events like that, but I think only at amateur level. My brothers tried to persuade me to do one with them at Blenheim (a great day out for spectators) a few years back, as one likes cycling, the other running and both hate swimming, but I managed to weasel out of it
    I'd be happy to do the cycling leg for a PB team one day. Just so long as no-one expects much speed. I can cycle 25 miles, have done so a few times actually, but it takes me...a tad longer than these guys just did the whole triathlon in.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    Labour announces launch of ‘new deal for working people’

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/25/labour-announces-launch-new-deal-for-working-people

    Sounds like a rehash of the same policy they always go to £10 an hour and guaranteed job or training.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,037

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.

    People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.

    Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;

    https://www.thelocal.fr/20210708/france-expanding-its-sexy-advertising-campaign-for-covid-vaccines/
    France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
    It is, and that's why I prefer to use the "percent of adults" number, so as to compare like-with-like.

    Worth noting, though, that France is only at about 30% of 12-17 year olds, so it probably only adds maybe two points to total "vaccinated as percent of the population".
    But that’s all been in the last few weeks so is what is propping up their first dose numbers. They might end up plateauing at the same level as Germany.
    France?

    They're ahead of Germany as far as percent of adults (72%) jabbed, and they're doing more first jabs of adults per day currently.

    So, I think we can reasonably assume they're not going to plateau at German levels given they're currently ahead of them.
    Are you sure?

    image
    Yes.

    The figures on "percentage of adults" is published by the EU here - https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab

    Those numbers are (a) the official ones, (b) more up to date that Our World in Data, and (c) allow you to drill in and see the breakdown by age/vaccine type/etc

    Now, given the survey at the top will have been of adults, that's the best one to see if countries are nearing their peak. On those figures, you'd expect Germany and France to peak at around 80%... I'd be a little more optimistic, because the state has many methods of persuading people.

    So my guess, FWIW, is that Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark are all going to be at or around the same level as the UK or Iceland - i.e around 90% of adults, give or take.

    Spain, Italy, Western Germany and France will be in the 82-88% range. While East Germany will probably be stuck in the 60s.


    .

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386
    Can't take sevens seriously as rugby.
    It just isn't.
    And Lote Tuqiri isn't Lote Tuqiri either.
    Deception on many levels.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    dixiedean said:

    Can't take sevens seriously as rugby.
    It just isn't.
    And Lote Tuqiri isn't Lote Tuqiri either.
    Deception on many levels.

    Nearly as bad as 3x3 basketball.....
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,485

    I take it back, the coverage is even worse than GB News.

    Maybe the best cameramen/women weren't able to get to Japan.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited July 2021

    Labour announces launch of ‘new deal for working people’

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/25/labour-announces-launch-new-deal-for-working-people

    Sounds like a rehash of the same policy they always go to £10 an hour and guaranteed job or training.

    The Living Wage is already essentially £9 per hour and will be £10 per hour surely before next General Election. So what do they mean by saying £10?

    Unless it is rehashing the absolutely insane suggestion of abolishing age bandings. That is completely nuts if so.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited July 2021

    Labour announces launch of ‘new deal for working people’

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/25/labour-announces-launch-new-deal-for-working-people

    Sounds like a rehash of the same policy they always go to £10 an hour and guaranteed job or training.

    The Living Wage is already essentially £9 per hour and will be £10 per hour surely before next General Election. So what do they mean by saying £10?

    Unless it is rehashing the absolutely insane suggestion of abolishing age bandings. That is completely nuts if so.
    The guaranteed job part is worse, it will result in the state creating a load of non-jobs, and won't filling existing gaps that in certain sectors.

    There is no way Labour would go anywhere near suggesting a "on your bike to the fields to pick produce" type approach to a guaranteed job.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,753
    edited July 2021

    Labour announces launch of ‘new deal for working people’

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/25/labour-announces-launch-new-deal-for-working-people

    Sounds like a rehash of the same policy they always go to £10 an hour and guaranteed job or training.

    The Living Wage is already essentially £9 per hour and will be £10 per hour surely before next General Election. So what do they mean by saying £10?

    Unless it is rehashing the absolutely insane suggestion of abolishing age bandings. That is completely nuts if so.
    The guaranteed job part is worse, it will result in the state creating a load of non-jobs, and won't filling existing gaps that in certain sectors.

    There is no way Labour would go anywhere near suggesting a "on your bike to the fields to pick produce" type approach to a guaranteed job.
    It seems like announcing a policy for the sake of having a policy, which I suppose they must but a pound or so on the minimum wage is not earth-shattering like its introduction by the first Blair government in 1998. And even then, the policy had been lying around for years if not decades iirc.

    As for jobs and training, the devil is in the detail but as someone-or-other said, if you are debating the details, you've lost.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,089
    On triathlons, the bike leg in the sprint (Olympic) triathlon is almost useless as drafting is allowed and the courses are very flat. It means those strong on the bike are disadvantaged compared to runners. A course with lots of climb or no drafting rule (Perhaps both) would make the bike leg more meaningful
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,808
    Pulpstar said:

    On triathlons, the bike leg in the sprint (Olympic) triathlon is almost useless as drafting is allowed and the courses are very flat. It means those strong on the bike are disadvantaged compared to runners. A course with lots of climb or no drafting rule (Perhaps both) would make the bike leg more meaningful

    The Olympic triathlon is actually a Standard Triathlon .A Sprint one is half a Standard - ie 5 k run, 20 k bike etc. i know as I have done both in the past and knackered after a standard!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    Pulpstar said:

    On triathlons, the bike leg in the sprint (Olympic) triathlon is almost useless as drafting is allowed and the courses are very flat. It means those strong on the bike are disadvantaged compared to runners. A course with lots of climb or no drafting rule (Perhaps both) would make the bike leg more meaningful

    How can they not find any hills? They’re in Japan!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,498
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.

    People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.

    Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;

    https://www.thelocal.fr/20210708/france-expanding-its-sexy-advertising-campaign-for-covid-vaccines/
    France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
    It is, and that's why I prefer to use the "percent of adults" number, so as to compare like-with-like.

    Worth noting, though, that France is only at about 30% of 12-17 year olds, so it probably only adds maybe two points to total "vaccinated as percent of the population".
    But that’s all been in the last few weeks so is what is propping up their first dose numbers. They might end up plateauing at the same level as Germany.
    France?

    They're ahead of Germany as far as percent of adults (72%) jabbed, and they're doing more first jabs of adults per day currently.

    So, I think we can reasonably assume they're not going to plateau at German levels given they're currently ahead of them.
    Are you sure?

    image
    Yes.

    The figures on "percentage of adults" is published by the EU here - https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab

    Those numbers are (a) the official ones, (b) more up to date that Our World in Data, and (c) allow you to drill in and see the breakdown by age/vaccine type/etc

    Now, given the survey at the top will have been of adults, that's the best one to see if countries are nearing their peak. On those figures, you'd expect Germany and France to peak at around 80%... I'd be a little more optimistic, because the state has many methods of persuading people.

    So my guess, FWIW, is that Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark are all going to be at or around the same level as the UK or Iceland - i.e around 90% of adults, give or take.

    Spain, Italy, Western Germany and France will be in the 82-88% range. While East Germany will probably be stuck in the 60s.
    Those figures don't match up with the French health ministry's stats which have a lower percentage of adults. I wonder if the EU figures take account of under 18s properly.

    https://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/grands-dossiers/vaccin-covid-19/article/le-tableau-de-bord-de-la-vaccination
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,753
    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    On triathlons, the bike leg in the sprint (Olympic) triathlon is almost useless as drafting is allowed and the courses are very flat. It means those strong on the bike are disadvantaged compared to runners. A course with lots of climb or no drafting rule (Perhaps both) would make the bike leg more meaningful

    How can they not find any hills? They’re in Japan!
    Never mind hills, how did they not notice there was a sodding boat in the way?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/olympics/57965640
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    On triathlons, the bike leg in the sprint (Olympic) triathlon is almost useless as drafting is allowed and the courses are very flat. It means those strong on the bike are disadvantaged compared to runners. A course with lots of climb or no drafting rule (Perhaps both) would make the bike leg more meaningful

    How can they not find any hills? They’re in Japan!
    Never mind hills, how did they not notice there was a sodding boat in the way?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/olympics/57965640
    It’s turning into something of a comedy. They should really award Tokyo the next available Games in 2036, to let them do it properly.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.

    People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.

    Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;

    https://www.thelocal.fr/20210708/france-expanding-its-sexy-advertising-campaign-for-covid-vaccines/
    France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
    It is, and that's why I prefer to use the "percent of adults" number, so as to compare like-with-like.

    Worth noting, though, that France is only at about 30% of 12-17 year olds, so it probably only adds maybe two points to total "vaccinated as percent of the population".
    But that’s all been in the last few weeks so is what is propping up their first dose numbers. They might end up plateauing at the same level as Germany.
    France?

    They're ahead of Germany as far as percent of adults (72%) jabbed, and they're doing more first jabs of adults per day currently.

    So, I think we can reasonably assume they're not going to plateau at German levels given they're currently ahead of them.
    Are you sure?

    image
    Yes.

    The figures on "percentage of adults" is published by the EU here - https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab

    Those numbers are (a) the official ones, (b) more up to date that Our World in Data, and (c) allow you to drill in and see the breakdown by age/vaccine type/etc

    Now, given the survey at the top will have been of adults, that's the best one to see if countries are nearing their peak. On those figures, you'd expect Germany and France to peak at around 80%... I'd be a little more optimistic, because the state has many methods of persuading people.

    So my guess, FWIW, is that Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark are all going to be at or around the same level as the UK or Iceland - i.e around 90% of adults, give or take.

    Spain, Italy, Western Germany and France will be in the 82-88% range. While East Germany will probably be stuck in the 60s.
    Those figures don't match up with the French health ministry's stats which have a lower percentage of adults. I wonder if the EU figures take account of under 18s properly.

    https://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/grands-dossiers/vaccin-covid-19/article/le-tableau-de-bord-de-la-vaccination
    There are a striking number of 100% figures in the ECDC numbers:

    https://twitter.com/PaulMainwood/status/1418907992582406146?s=20
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,037

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.

    People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.

    Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;

    https://www.thelocal.fr/20210708/france-expanding-its-sexy-advertising-campaign-for-covid-vaccines/
    France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
    It is, and that's why I prefer to use the "percent of adults" number, so as to compare like-with-like.

    Worth noting, though, that France is only at about 30% of 12-17 year olds, so it probably only adds maybe two points to total "vaccinated as percent of the population".
    But that’s all been in the last few weeks so is what is propping up their first dose numbers. They might end up plateauing at the same level as Germany.
    France?

    They're ahead of Germany as far as percent of adults (72%) jabbed, and they're doing more first jabs of adults per day currently.

    So, I think we can reasonably assume they're not going to plateau at German levels given they're currently ahead of them.
    Are you sure?

    image
    Yes.

    The figures on "percentage of adults" is published by the EU here - https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab

    Those numbers are (a) the official ones, (b) more up to date that Our World in Data, and (c) allow you to drill in and see the breakdown by age/vaccine type/etc

    Now, given the survey at the top will have been of adults, that's the best one to see if countries are nearing their peak. On those figures, you'd expect Germany and France to peak at around 80%... I'd be a little more optimistic, because the state has many methods of persuading people.

    So my guess, FWIW, is that Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark are all going to be at or around the same level as the UK or Iceland - i.e around 90% of adults, give or take.

    Spain, Italy, Western Germany and France will be in the 82-88% range. While East Germany will probably be stuck in the 60s.
    Those figures don't match up with the French health ministry's stats which have a lower percentage of adults. I wonder if the EU figures take account of under 18s properly.

    https://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/grands-dossiers/vaccin-covid-19/article/le-tableau-de-bord-de-la-vaccination
    One says 71% and one says 72%... That's not a big difference.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.

    People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.

    Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;

    https://www.thelocal.fr/20210708/france-expanding-its-sexy-advertising-campaign-for-covid-vaccines/
    France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
    It is, and that's why I prefer to use the "percent of adults" number, so as to compare like-with-like.

    Worth noting, though, that France is only at about 30% of 12-17 year olds, so it probably only adds maybe two points to total "vaccinated as percent of the population".
    But that’s all been in the last few weeks so is what is propping up their first dose numbers. They might end up plateauing at the same level as Germany.
    France?

    They're ahead of Germany as far as percent of adults (72%) jabbed, and they're doing more first jabs of adults per day currently.

    So, I think we can reasonably assume they're not going to plateau at German levels given they're currently ahead of them.
    Are you sure?

    image
    Yes.

    The figures on "percentage of adults" is published by the EU here - https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab

    Those numbers are (a) the official ones, (b) more up to date that Our World in Data, and (c) allow you to drill in and see the breakdown by age/vaccine type/etc

    Now, given the survey at the top will have been of adults, that's the best one to see if countries are nearing their peak. On those figures, you'd expect Germany and France to peak at around 80%... I'd be a little more optimistic, because the state has many methods of persuading people.

    So my guess, FWIW, is that Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark are all going to be at or around the same level as the UK or Iceland - i.e around 90% of adults, give or take.

    Spain, Italy, Western Germany and France will be in the 82-88% range. While East Germany will probably be stuck in the 60s.
    Those figures don't match up with the French health ministry's stats which have a lower percentage of adults. I wonder if the EU figures take account of under 18s properly.

    https://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/grands-dossiers/vaccin-covid-19/article/le-tableau-de-bord-de-la-vaccination
    One says 71% and one says 72%... That's not a big difference.
    Professor Peston would call that a massive and significant difference.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,037
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.

    People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.

    Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;

    https://www.thelocal.fr/20210708/france-expanding-its-sexy-advertising-campaign-for-covid-vaccines/
    France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
    It is, and that's why I prefer to use the "percent of adults" number, so as to compare like-with-like.

    Worth noting, though, that France is only at about 30% of 12-17 year olds, so it probably only adds maybe two points to total "vaccinated as percent of the population".
    But that’s all been in the last few weeks so is what is propping up their first dose numbers. They might end up plateauing at the same level as Germany.
    France?

    They're ahead of Germany as far as percent of adults (72%) jabbed, and they're doing more first jabs of adults per day currently.

    So, I think we can reasonably assume they're not going to plateau at German levels given they're currently ahead of them.
    Are you sure?

    image
    Yes.

    The figures on "percentage of adults" is published by the EU here - https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab

    Those numbers are (a) the official ones, (b) more up to date that Our World in Data, and (c) allow you to drill in and see the breakdown by age/vaccine type/etc

    Now, given the survey at the top will have been of adults, that's the best one to see if countries are nearing their peak. On those figures, you'd expect Germany and France to peak at around 80%... I'd be a little more optimistic, because the state has many methods of persuading people.

    So my guess, FWIW, is that Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark are all going to be at or around the same level as the UK or Iceland - i.e around 90% of adults, give or take.

    Spain, Italy, Western Germany and France will be in the 82-88% range. While East Germany will probably be stuck in the 60s.
    Those figures don't match up with the French health ministry's stats which have a lower percentage of adults. I wonder if the EU figures take account of under 18s properly.

    https://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/grands-dossiers/vaccin-covid-19/article/le-tableau-de-bord-de-la-vaccination
    One says 71% and one says 72%... That's not a big difference.
    Professor Peston would call that a massive and significant difference.
    The difference is simple - the French government site is as of 7/21, while the EU one is 7/23.

  • Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    On triathlons, the bike leg in the sprint (Olympic) triathlon is almost useless as drafting is allowed and the courses are very flat. It means those strong on the bike are disadvantaged compared to runners. A course with lots of climb or no drafting rule (Perhaps both) would make the bike leg more meaningful

    How can they not find any hills? They’re in Japan!
    Never mind hills, how did they not notice there was a sodding boat in the way?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/olympics/57965640
    It’s turning into something of a comedy. They should really award Tokyo the next available Games in 2036, to let them do it properly.
    That's pretty nasty and unnecessary.

    It has been an incredibly challenging and sometimes divisive Games for Tokyo to run and I feel rather sorry for them.

    They have to hope tropical storm Nepartak tracks north too.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,037

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.

    People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.

    Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;

    https://www.thelocal.fr/20210708/france-expanding-its-sexy-advertising-campaign-for-covid-vaccines/
    France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
    It is, and that's why I prefer to use the "percent of adults" number, so as to compare like-with-like.

    Worth noting, though, that France is only at about 30% of 12-17 year olds, so it probably only adds maybe two points to total "vaccinated as percent of the population".
    But that’s all been in the last few weeks so is what is propping up their first dose numbers. They might end up plateauing at the same level as Germany.
    France?

    They're ahead of Germany as far as percent of adults (72%) jabbed, and they're doing more first jabs of adults per day currently.

    So, I think we can reasonably assume they're not going to plateau at German levels given they're currently ahead of them.
    Are you sure?

    image
    Yes.

    The figures on "percentage of adults" is published by the EU here - https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab

    Those numbers are (a) the official ones, (b) more up to date that Our World in Data, and (c) allow you to drill in and see the breakdown by age/vaccine type/etc

    Now, given the survey at the top will have been of adults, that's the best one to see if countries are nearing their peak. On those figures, you'd expect Germany and France to peak at around 80%... I'd be a little more optimistic, because the state has many methods of persuading people.

    So my guess, FWIW, is that Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark are all going to be at or around the same level as the UK or Iceland - i.e around 90% of adults, give or take.

    Spain, Italy, Western Germany and France will be in the 82-88% range. While East Germany will probably be stuck in the 60s.
    Those figures don't match up with the French health ministry's stats which have a lower percentage of adults. I wonder if the EU figures take account of under 18s properly.

    https://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/grands-dossiers/vaccin-covid-19/article/le-tableau-de-bord-de-la-vaccination
    There are a striking number of 100% figures in the ECDC numbers:

    https://twitter.com/PaulMainwood/status/1418907992582406146?s=20
    Albeit, pretty much all in very small countries - Malta, Iceland, Ireland, and almost certainly the consequence of using the last available census data for counting the number of aged people.
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