Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
It is, and that's why I prefer to use the "percent of adults" number, so as to compare like-with-like.
Worth noting, though, that France is only at about 30% of 12-17 year olds, so it probably only adds maybe two points to total "vaccinated as percent of the population".
But that’s all been in the last few weeks so is what is propping up their first dose numbers. They might end up plateauing at the same level as Germany.
France?
They're ahead of Germany as far as percent of adults (72%) jabbed, and they're doing more first jabs of adults per day currently.
So, I think we can reasonably assume they're not going to plateau at German levels given they're currently ahead of them.
Those numbers are (a) the official ones, (b) more up to date that Our World in Data, and (c) allow you to drill in and see the breakdown by age/vaccine type/etc
Now, given the survey at the top will have been of adults, that's the best one to see if countries are nearing their peak. On those figures, you'd expect Germany and France to peak at around 80%... I'd be a little more optimistic, because the state has many methods of persuading people.
So my guess, FWIW, is that Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark are all going to be at or around the same level as the UK or Iceland - i.e around 90% of adults, give or take.
Spain, Italy, Western Germany and France will be in the 82-88% range. While East Germany will probably be stuck in the 60s.
Those figures don't match up with the French health ministry's stats which have a lower percentage of adults. I wonder if the EU figures take account of under 18s properly.
Albeit, pretty much all in very small countries - Malta, Iceland, Ireland, and almost certainly the consequence of using the last available census data for counting the number of aged people.
Very small countries don't have immunocompromised people who can't get vaccinated?
Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
What a ridiculous comment. Epidemiologically ridiculous.
Under 18's are, despite what we parents might occasionally think, still human beings. They catch and transmit the virus.
Counting only adults is artificially massaging the statistics.
Vaccinations stats MUST include whole populations. Why? Because everyone can spread this.
If the UK don't get jabbing under-18's then we create the perfect petri dish for mutations.
Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
What a ridiculous comment. Epidemiologically ridiculous.
Under 18's are, despite what we parents might occasionally think, still human beings. They catch and transmit the virus.
Counting only adults is artificially massaging the statistics.
Vaccinations stats MUST include whole populations. Why? Because everyone can spread this.
If the UK don't get jabbing under-18's then we create the perfect petri dish for mutations.
Remind us of your qualifications in virology, epidemiology and medical ethics.
Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
What a ridiculous comment. Epidemiologically ridiculous.
Under 18's are, despite what we parents might occasionally think, still human beings. They catch and transmit the virus.
Counting only adults is artificially massaging the statistics.
Vaccinations stats MUST include whole populations. Why? Because everyone can spread this.
If the UK don't get jabbing under-18's then we create the perfect petri dish for mutations.
Remind us of your qualifications in virology, epidemiology and medical ethics.
Remind us of your comprehension of trends and statistics
Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
It is, and that's why I prefer to use the "percent of adults" number, so as to compare like-with-like.
Worth noting, though, that France is only at about 30% of 12-17 year olds, so it probably only adds maybe two points to total "vaccinated as percent of the population".
But that’s all been in the last few weeks so is what is propping up their first dose numbers. They might end up plateauing at the same level as Germany.
France?
They're ahead of Germany as far as percent of adults (72%) jabbed, and they're doing more first jabs of adults per day currently.
So, I think we can reasonably assume they're not going to plateau at German levels given they're currently ahead of them.
Those numbers are (a) the official ones, (b) more up to date that Our World in Data, and (c) allow you to drill in and see the breakdown by age/vaccine type/etc
Now, given the survey at the top will have been of adults, that's the best one to see if countries are nearing their peak. On those figures, you'd expect Germany and France to peak at around 80%... I'd be a little more optimistic, because the state has many methods of persuading people.
So my guess, FWIW, is that Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark are all going to be at or around the same level as the UK or Iceland - i.e around 90% of adults, give or take.
Spain, Italy, Western Germany and France will be in the 82-88% range. While East Germany will probably be stuck in the 60s.
Those figures don't match up with the French health ministry's stats which have a lower percentage of adults. I wonder if the EU figures take account of under 18s properly.
Albeit, pretty much all in very small countries - Malta, Iceland, Ireland, and almost certainly the consequence of using the last available census data for counting the number of aged people.
Very small countries don't have immunocompromised people who can't get vaccinated?
There's nothing wrong with giving immunocompromised people vaccines, they just don't work so well.
My point was not that. Because obviously Iceland has not vaccinated 100% of people over the age of 80.
It's simply that this isn't a conspiracy. It's a consequence of Iceland (or whoever) using out of date numbers for the number of people over the age of 80.
We in the UK don't really know exactly how many people are over the age of 80 in the country (look at the recent issues counting the number of people from the EU) - why should we expect anyone else to be any better?
Islanders in Jersey could receive their coronavirus 'booster' jab as soon as September.
At the latest press conference, the Deputy Medical Officer of Health, Dr Ivan Muscat, said his team are currently working on the details for the programme.
He added that over 50s, those considered at risk and health care staff will be called first.
Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
What a ridiculous comment. Epidemiologically ridiculous.
Under 18's are, despite what we parents might occasionally think, still human beings. They catch and transmit the virus.
Counting only adults is artificially massaging the statistics.
Vaccinations stats MUST include whole populations. Why? Because everyone can spread this.
If the UK don't get jabbing under-18's then we create the perfect petri dish for mutations.
Remind us of your qualifications in virology, epidemiology and medical ethics.
Remind us of your comprehension of trends and statistics
So that's "none".
You get this morning's Professor Peston award for knowing better than the JCVI....
Experts are all warning something which is obvious to anyone non-medical who is intelligent: that we are playing a dangerous game here. Under-18's aren't in school which is a good thing but they will of course return in c. 5 to 6 weeks. They can catch and spread the virus, they are indeed believed to have been the main vector in recent weeks.
So any vaccination crowing that doesn't take into account under 18's is misplaced, to put it politely.
Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
What a ridiculous comment. Epidemiologically ridiculous.
Under 18's are, despite what we parents might occasionally think, still human beings. They catch and transmit the virus.
Counting only adults is artificially massaging the statistics.
Vaccinations stats MUST include whole populations. Why? Because everyone can spread this.
If the UK don't get jabbing under-18's then we create the perfect petri dish for mutations.
Remind us of your qualifications in virology, epidemiology and medical ethics.
Remind us of your comprehension of trends and statistics
knowing better than the JCVI....
The JCVI paper on this is quite nuanced. Have you actually read it? Whilst it tallies with Germany's position it goes counter to many, if not most, other developed countries including the US whose FDA is more stringent than probably anywhere else in the world. They have not only approved vaccinating under 18's in the 12-17 range but will probably also begin vaccinating 9-12 year olds.
The UK's decision not to vaccinate 21% of its population, in tandem with unlocking is a very, very, very, dangerous game to be playing. Children catch and spread this virus.
Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
What a ridiculous comment. Epidemiologically ridiculous.
Under 18's are, despite what we parents might occasionally think, still human beings. They catch and transmit the virus.
Counting only adults is artificially massaging the statistics.
Vaccinations stats MUST include whole populations. Why? Because everyone can spread this.
If the UK don't get jabbing under-18's then we create the perfect petri dish for mutations.
Remind us of your qualifications in virology, epidemiology and medical ethics.
Remind us of your comprehension of trends and statistics
knowing better than the JCVI....
The JCVI paper on this is quite nuanced. Have you actually read it? Whilst it tallies with Germany's position it goes counter to many, if not most, other developed countries including the US whose FDA is more stringent than probably anywhere else in the world. They have not only approved vaccinating under 18's in the 12-17 range but will probably also begin vaccinating 9-12 year olds.
The UK's decision not to vaccinate 21% of its population, in tandem with unlocking is a very, very, very, dangerous game to be playing. Children catch and spread this virus.
As all the experts are saying.
Do you think schools should have remained shut since March 2020?
On the subject of Thailand, the vaccination uptake, or rather lack of it, is not just rooted in the deep south but the result of a scandalous corruption at the highest level. The protracted scrapping over who would win the AZ patent went right to the top, and included the owners of the ubiquitous 7-11 supermarket chain.
The contract was eventually won by a relative of the king.
Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
What a ridiculous comment. Epidemiologically ridiculous.
Under 18's are, despite what we parents might occasionally think, still human beings. They catch and transmit the virus.
Counting only adults is artificially massaging the statistics.
Vaccinations stats MUST include whole populations. Why? Because everyone can spread this.
If the UK don't get jabbing under-18's then we create the perfect petri dish for mutations.
Remind us of your qualifications in virology, epidemiology and medical ethics.
Remind us of your comprehension of trends and statistics
knowing better than the JCVI....
The JCVI paper on this is quite nuanced. Have you actually read it? Whilst it tallies with Germany's position it goes counter to many, if not most, other developed countries including the US whose FDA is more stringent than probably anywhere else in the world. They have not only approved vaccinating under 18's in the 12-17 range but will probably also begin vaccinating 9-12 year olds.
The UK's decision not to vaccinate 21% of its population, in tandem with unlocking is a very, very, very, dangerous game to be playing. Children catch and spread this virus.
As all the experts are saying.
Do you think schools should have remained shut since March 2020?
No. I believe in vaccination as our route out of this. As the FDA have approved, so should we follow. Secondary school children should be vaccinated.
Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
What a ridiculous comment. Epidemiologically ridiculous.
Under 18's are, despite what we parents might occasionally think, still human beings. They catch and transmit the virus.
Counting only adults is artificially massaging the statistics.
Vaccinations stats MUST include whole populations. Why? Because everyone can spread this.
If the UK don't get jabbing under-18's then we create the perfect petri dish for mutations.
Remind us of your qualifications in virology, epidemiology and medical ethics.
Remind us of your comprehension of trends and statistics
knowing better than the JCVI....
The JCVI paper on this is quite nuanced. Have you actually read it? Whilst it tallies with Germany's position it goes counter to many, if not most, other developed countries including the US whose FDA is more stringent than probably anywhere else in the world. They have not only approved vaccinating under 18's in the 12-17 range but will probably also begin vaccinating 9-12 year olds.
The UK's decision not to vaccinate 21% of its population, in tandem with unlocking is a very, very, very, dangerous game to be playing. Children catch and spread this virus.
As all the experts are saying.
Do you think schools should have remained shut since March 2020?
No. I believe in vaccination as our route out of this. As the FDA have approved, so should we follow. Secondary school children should be vaccinated.
You do realise that the little monsters have been spreading COVID like nobody’s business the last year and a bit? Whether we vaccinate kids or not is probably neither here nor there.
Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
What a ridiculous comment. Epidemiologically ridiculous.
Under 18's are, despite what we parents might occasionally think, still human beings. They catch and transmit the virus.
Counting only adults is artificially massaging the statistics.
Vaccinations stats MUST include whole populations. Why? Because everyone can spread this.
If the UK don't get jabbing under-18's then we create the perfect petri dish for mutations.
Remind us of your qualifications in virology, epidemiology and medical ethics.
Remind us of your comprehension of trends and statistics
knowing better than the JCVI....
the US whose FDA is more stringent than probably anywhere else in the world
This FDA?:
The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved aducanumab (Aduhelm)—a drug which aims to delay clinical decline in patients with Alzheimer’s disease—despite concerns over a lack of evidence.
Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
What a ridiculous comment. Epidemiologically ridiculous.
Under 18's are, despite what we parents might occasionally think, still human beings. They catch and transmit the virus.
Counting only adults is artificially massaging the statistics.
Vaccinations stats MUST include whole populations. Why? Because everyone can spread this.
If the UK don't get jabbing under-18's then we create the perfect petri dish for mutations.
Remind us of your qualifications in virology, epidemiology and medical ethics.
Remind us of your comprehension of trends and statistics
knowing better than the JCVI....
The JCVI paper on this is quite nuanced. Have you actually read it? Whilst it tallies with Germany's position it goes counter to many, if not most, other developed countries including the US whose FDA is more stringent than probably anywhere else in the world. They have not only approved vaccinating under 18's in the 12-17 range but will probably also begin vaccinating 9-12 year olds.
The UK's decision not to vaccinate 21% of its population, in tandem with unlocking is a very, very, very, dangerous game to be playing. Children catch and spread this virus.
As all the experts are saying.
Do you think schools should have remained shut since March 2020?
No. I believe in vaccination as our route out of this. As the FDA have approved, so should we follow. Secondary school children should be vaccinated.
Maybe we will. But at least part of the driver behind vaccinating (willing) children in the US is the significant levels of unwilling adults.
Also some “experts” seem very keen to single out the U.K. as conducting some sort of “uniquely” “dangerous” “experiment”. That our current levels of population vaccination (even without children) are higher than almost everywhere else, including countries with virus mitigation restrictions not significantly different from our own, means that we are by no means unique nor obiouvsly dangerous is conveniently overlooked.
And also there is a tendency whenever organisations like the W.H.O comment on Covid, for media like the Guardian to automatically assume the MUST be referring to the U.K...
Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
What a ridiculous comment. Epidemiologically ridiculous.
Under 18's are, despite what we parents might occasionally think, still human beings. They catch and transmit the virus.
Counting only adults is artificially massaging the statistics.
Vaccinations stats MUST include whole populations. Why? Because everyone can spread this.
If the UK don't get jabbing under-18's then we create the perfect petri dish for mutations.
Remind us of your qualifications in virology, epidemiology and medical ethics.
Remind us of your comprehension of trends and statistics
knowing better than the JCVI....
The JCVI paper on this is quite nuanced. Have you actually read it? Whilst it tallies with Germany's position it goes counter to many, if not most, other developed countries including the US whose FDA is more stringent than probably anywhere else in the world. They have not only approved vaccinating under 18's in the 12-17 range but will probably also begin vaccinating 9-12 year olds.
The UK's decision not to vaccinate 21% of its population, in tandem with unlocking is a very, very, very, dangerous game to be playing. Children catch and spread this virus.
As all the experts are saying.
Do you think schools should have remained shut since March 2020?
The only things in education that should have remained entirely shut since March 2020 are the mouths of Gavin Williamson, Nick Gibb, Amanda Spielman and every other useless twat employed directly by the DfE and associated quangoes.
Last week, the distinguished medical researcher and head of the Wellcome Trust, Sir Jeremy Farrar, published his own account of the fight against Covid-19 (Spike: The Virus Vs. The People). In it, he blames The Lancet, perhaps the world's best-known medical journal, for delaying publication of a crucial piece of research — the first to suggest that a novel and potentially lethal virus was spreading from human to human in the Chinese city of Wuhan.
A Dutch professor, Thijs Kuiken, had been sent the paper on January 16, 2020, by The Lancet for review, and once he realised the astounding implications of its findings, he urged The Lancet to publish immediately. When, for unexplained reasons, it wouldn't, he contacted Farrar, who reveals that he both emailed and texted The Lancet's editor-in-chief, Dr Richard Horton — but got no response.
Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
What a ridiculous comment. Epidemiologically ridiculous.
Under 18's are, despite what we parents might occasionally think, still human beings. They catch and transmit the virus.
Counting only adults is artificially massaging the statistics.
Vaccinations stats MUST include whole populations. Why? Because everyone can spread this.
If the UK don't get jabbing under-18's then we create the perfect petri dish for mutations.
Remind us of your qualifications in virology, epidemiology and medical ethics.
Remind us of your comprehension of trends and statistics
knowing better than the JCVI....
The JCVI paper on this is quite nuanced. Have you actually read it? Whilst it tallies with Germany's position it goes counter to many, if not most, other developed countries including the US whose FDA is more stringent than probably anywhere else in the world. They have not only approved vaccinating under 18's in the 12-17 range but will probably also begin vaccinating 9-12 year olds.
The UK's decision not to vaccinate 21% of its population, in tandem with unlocking is a very, very, very, dangerous game to be playing. Children catch and spread this virus.
As all the experts are saying.
Do you think schools should have remained shut since March 2020?
No. I believe in vaccination as our route out of this. As the FDA have approved, so should we follow. Secondary school children should be vaccinated.
You do realise that the little monsters have been spreading COVID like nobody’s business the last year and a bit? Whether we vaccinate kids or not is probably neither here nor there.
Yep - whilst population protection via vaccine has always been preferable to population protection via infection, especially once it was known vaccines would work, you can’t undo what has been done, and it would be ridiculous to ignore the protection that prior infection has already provided. It is why places like Australia are in such a pickle, what ever benefits their past approach has given, as at today they are in a far more precarious position.
Last week, the distinguished medical researcher and head of the Wellcome Trust, Sir Jeremy Farrar, published his own account of the fight against Covid-19 (Spike: The Virus Vs. The People). In it, he blames The Lancet, perhaps the world's best-known medical journal, for delaying publication of a crucial piece of research — the first to suggest that a novel and potentially lethal virus was spreading from human to human in the Chinese city of Wuhan.
A Dutch professor, Thijs Kuiken, had been sent the paper on January 16, 2020, by The Lancet for review, and once he realised the astounding implications of its findings, he urged The Lancet to publish immediately. When, for unexplained reasons, it wouldn't, he contacted Farrar, who reveals that he both emailed and texted The Lancet's editor-in-chief, Dr Richard Horton — but got no response.
Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
What a ridiculous comment. Epidemiologically ridiculous.
Under 18's are, despite what we parents might occasionally think, still human beings. They catch and transmit the virus.
Counting only adults is artificially massaging the statistics.
Vaccinations stats MUST include whole populations. Why? Because everyone can spread this.
If the UK don't get jabbing under-18's then we create the perfect petri dish for mutations.
Remind us of your qualifications in virology, epidemiology and medical ethics.
Remind us of your comprehension of trends and statistics
knowing better than the JCVI....
the US whose FDA is more stringent than probably anywhere else in the world
This FDA?:
The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved aducanumab (Aduhelm)—a drug which aims to delay clinical decline in patients with Alzheimer’s disease—despite concerns over a lack of evidence.
Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
What a ridiculous comment. Epidemiologically ridiculous.
Under 18's are, despite what we parents might occasionally think, still human beings. They catch and transmit the virus.
Counting only adults is artificially massaging the statistics.
Vaccinations stats MUST include whole populations. Why? Because everyone can spread this.
If the UK don't get jabbing under-18's then we create the perfect petri dish for mutations.
Remind us of your qualifications in virology, epidemiology and medical ethics.
Remind us of your comprehension of trends and statistics
knowing better than the JCVI....
the US whose FDA is more stringent than probably anywhere else in the world
This FDA?:
The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved aducanumab (Aduhelm)—a drug which aims to delay clinical decline in patients with Alzheimer’s disease—despite concerns over a lack of evidence.
Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
It is, and that's why I prefer to use the "percent of adults" number, so as to compare like-with-like.
Worth noting, though, that France is only at about 30% of 12-17 year olds, so it probably only adds maybe two points to total "vaccinated as percent of the population".
But that’s all been in the last few weeks so is what is propping up their first dose numbers. They might end up plateauing at the same level as Germany.
France?
They're ahead of Germany as far as percent of adults (72%) jabbed, and they're doing more first jabs of adults per day currently.
So, I think we can reasonably assume they're not going to plateau at German levels given they're currently ahead of them.
Those numbers are (a) the official ones, (b) more up to date that Our World in Data, and (c) allow you to drill in and see the breakdown by age/vaccine type/etc
Now, given the survey at the top will have been of adults, that's the best one to see if countries are nearing their peak. On those figures, you'd expect Germany and France to peak at around 80%... I'd be a little more optimistic, because the state has many methods of persuading people.
So my guess, FWIW, is that Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark are all going to be at or around the same level as the UK or Iceland - i.e around 90% of adults, give or take.
Spain, Italy, Western Germany and France will be in the 82-88% range. While East Germany will probably be stuck in the 60s.
Those figures don't match up with the French health ministry's stats which have a lower percentage of adults. I wonder if the EU figures take account of under 18s properly.
Albeit, pretty much all in very small countries - Malta, Iceland, Ireland, and almost certainly the consequence of using the last available census data for counting the number of aged people.
Very small countries don't have immunocompromised people who can't get vaccinated?
There's nothing wrong with giving immunocompromised people vaccines, they just don't work so well.
My point was not that. Because obviously Iceland has not vaccinated 100% of people over the age of 80.
It's simply that this isn't a conspiracy. It's a consequence of Iceland (or whoever) using out of date numbers for the number of people over the age of 80.
We in the UK don't really know exactly how many people are over the age of 80 in the country (look at the recent issues counting the number of people from the EU) - why should we expect anyone else to be any better?
Because Nordic countries have personal identification numbers and “folkbokföring”. Never going to be perfect, but Nordic governments and public bodies have a much better idea of who is where than the UK does.
On the subject of Thailand, the vaccination uptake, or rather lack of it, is not just rooted in the deep south but the result of a scandalous corruption at the highest level. The protracted scrapping over who would win the AZ patent went right to the top, and included the owners of the ubiquitous 7-11 supermarket chain.
The contract was eventually won by a relative of the king.
Meanwhile his citizens are dying in the streets.
Thais used to be very pro monarchy, with pictures of the King everywhere and woe betide any critic. This new king is really testing that to its limits. I can see him being deposed.
On the subject of Thailand, the vaccination uptake, or rather lack of it, is not just rooted in the deep south but the result of a scandalous corruption at the highest level. The protracted scrapping over who would win the AZ patent went right to the top, and included the owners of the ubiquitous 7-11 supermarket chain.
The contract was eventually won by a relative of the king.
Meanwhile his citizens are dying in the streets.
Thais used to be very pro monarchy, with pictures of the King everywhere and woe betide any critic. This new king is really testing that to its limits. I can see him being deposed.
If he was deposed, I think the country would still be a monarchy.
AIUI, people WANT the vaccine; it's 'just' that the roll-out has been slow.
On the subject of Thailand, the vaccination uptake, or rather lack of it, is not just rooted in the deep south but the result of a scandalous corruption at the highest level. The protracted scrapping over who would win the AZ patent went right to the top, and included the owners of the ubiquitous 7-11 supermarket chain.
The contract was eventually won by a relative of the king.
Meanwhile his citizens are dying in the streets.
Thais used to be very pro monarchy, with pictures of the King everywhere and woe betide any critic. This new king is really testing that to its limits. I can see him being deposed.
He comes across as a right nasty piece of work, doesn’t he? Far worse than even that cretin Gyanendra.
On the subject of Thailand, the vaccination uptake, or rather lack of it, is not just rooted in the deep south but the result of a scandalous corruption at the highest level. The protracted scrapping over who would win the AZ patent went right to the top, and included the owners of the ubiquitous 7-11 supermarket chain.
The contract was eventually won by a relative of the king.
Meanwhile his citizens are dying in the streets.
Thais used to be very pro monarchy, with pictures of the King everywhere and woe betide any critic. This new king is really testing that to its limits. I can see him being deposed.
He comes across as a right nasty piece of work, doesn’t he? Far worse than even that cretin Gyanendra.
The 'anti-monarchy discussion' laws have recently been tightened up. One doesn't though, see the adulatory pieces, that were common a few years ago.
On the subject of Thailand, the vaccination uptake, or rather lack of it, is not just rooted in the deep south but the result of a scandalous corruption at the highest level. The protracted scrapping over who would win the AZ patent went right to the top, and included the owners of the ubiquitous 7-11 supermarket chain.
The contract was eventually won by a relative of the king.
Meanwhile his citizens are dying in the streets.
Thais used to be very pro monarchy, with pictures of the King everywhere and woe betide any critic. This new king is really testing that to its limits. I can see him being deposed.
He comes across as a right nasty piece of work, doesn’t he? Far worse than even that cretin Gyanendra.
The 'anti-monarchy discussion' laws have recently been tightened up. One doesn't though, see the adulatory pieces, that were common a few years ago.
Even this might get Pb banned in Thailand.
Won’t make any difference to the facts though, will it?
Incidentally, is he still cowering in that luxury hotel in Germany, or has he finally gone back to Thailand?
The reason they run a very tight set of technical regulations with few deviations allowed is that they don't want to destroy the sport. As it's a relatively immature technology the concern is, with enough latitude in the regulations, one of the OEMs would come up with a technical innovation that would give them absolutely crushing superiority.
This is exactly what happened in TT Zero which had a very loose Formula Libre approach to electric motorcycle racing. In the vast latitude permitted by the few regulations the Mugen team with Honda know how became overpoweringly dominant. They won 6 titles in a row at last count and are lapping the island at 122mph (as fast as Foggy in the late 90s). Their nearest competitor is lapping at 102mph (as fast as Surtees in late 50s). The result is that the event is now utterly pointless as a competitive exercise.
FE have had nine different race winners and a tight championship so they're probably happy with their more controlled approach.
The reason they run a very tight set of technical regulations with few deviations allowed is that they don't want to destroy the sport. As it's a relatively immature technology the concern is, with enough latitude in the regulations, one of the OEMs would come up with a technical innovation that would give them absolutely crushing superiority.
This is exactly what happened in TT Zero which had a very loose Formula Libre approach to electric motorcycle racing. In the vast latitude permitted by the few regulations the Mugen team with Honda know how became overpoweringly dominant. They won 6 titles in a row at last count and are lapping the island at 122mph (as fast as Foggy in the late 90s). Their nearest competitor is lapping at 102mph (as fast as Surtees in late 50s). The result is that the event is now utterly pointless as a competitive exercise.
FE have had nine different race winners and a tight championship so they're probably happy with their more controlled approach.
So...
If I was feeling that the world was excessively boring, do you think the LS-218 would make it more interesting?
On the subject of Thailand, the vaccination uptake, or rather lack of it, is not just rooted in the deep south but the result of a scandalous corruption at the highest level. The protracted scrapping over who would win the AZ patent went right to the top, and included the owners of the ubiquitous 7-11 supermarket chain.
The contract was eventually won by a relative of the king.
Meanwhile his citizens are dying in the streets.
Thais used to be very pro monarchy, with pictures of the King everywhere and woe betide any critic. This new king is really testing that to its limits. I can see him being deposed.
He comes across as a right nasty piece of work, doesn’t he? Far worse than even that cretin Gyanendra.
The 'anti-monarchy discussion' laws have recently been tightened up. One doesn't though, see the adulatory pieces, that were common a few years ago.
Even this might get Pb banned in Thailand.
Won’t make any difference to the facts though, will it?
Incidentally, is he still cowering in that luxury hotel in Germany, or has he finally gone back to Thailand?
Just had a scan through ASEAN News. Nothing about the king at all, although plenty of stories about vaccines and the virus, some positive, some less so. I don't think he's cowering; I think he's got plenty with which to amuse himself!
Telegraph “Unions are fighting plans to combat the pingdemic through daily testing. They are urging key workers in food, transport sectors etc to ignore the exemption and stay at home, citing fears that they could be exposed to Covid in the workplace”
Isn’t the point of self isolation that the exempted workers might have already been exposed...?
Last week, the distinguished medical researcher and head of the Wellcome Trust, Sir Jeremy Farrar, published his own account of the fight against Covid-19 (Spike: The Virus Vs. The People). In it, he blames The Lancet, perhaps the world's best-known medical journal, for delaying publication of a crucial piece of research — the first to suggest that a novel and potentially lethal virus was spreading from human to human in the Chinese city of Wuhan.
A Dutch professor, Thijs Kuiken, had been sent the paper on January 16, 2020, by The Lancet for review, and once he realised the astounding implications of its findings, he urged The Lancet to publish immediately. When, for unexplained reasons, it wouldn't, he contacted Farrar, who reveals that he both emailed and texted The Lancet's editor-in-chief, Dr Richard Horton — but got no response.
Telegraph “Unions are fighting plans to combat the pingdemic through daily testing. They are urging key workers in food, transport sectors etc to ignore the exemption and stay at home, citing fears that they could be exposed to Covid in the workplace”
Isn’t the point of self isolation that the exempted workers might have already been exposed...?
Whilst the summary on the BBC/in the Telegraph might have twisted the argument slightly, I’m amused by one of the complaints being that transport workers work unusual shift patterns and won’t be prepared to visit test centres “on their day off”. As opposed to sitting at home not allowed to go anywhere on their day off (or any other day) under the alternative...
Although STIKO has only recommended the vaccine for vulnerable 12-17 year olds, it is being offered to all 12-17 year olds (at least in some states) and parents are being urged to get their teenagers vaccinated. At least the Oberbürgermeisterin of Cologne was advising everyone to get their teenagers vaccinated last week:
People are on holiday at the moment so it's going to take a while before the smoke clears and we can get an idea of what % take up we're going to end up with.
Southern Rep voters are not taking the vaccine because Trump lost the election?
It's progress of a sort, since that sounds like they have admitted he actually lost.!
The US southern states are seeing the vaccine miracle like we are here. In Louisiana and Mississippi, for example, cases are again jumping, but deaths are flatlining.
All hail the vaccine!
Oh wait, double vaccination rates are under 40 per cent in these states....oh......ummm.....er....
The US was the lab for lockdown versus no lockdown and it is the lab for vaccination.
The bodies are not piling up in these states like so many predicted on here. Talk about the end was nigh.
Well, it seems it isn't.
We have to wonder why, and we have to wonder why vaccine passports are being mandated here. Its almost like some people want everybody to be vaccinated so that these comparisons cannot be done.
You should be aware that covid doesn't kill instantly, but there's a delay averaging around 20 days between infection and death (when deaths occur).
It's usually: Infections - 3 days - cases - 7 days - hospitalisations - 10 days - deaths. (Very loosely; massive variation here but that's where it averages out in large numbers).
Uptick in cases has begun.
Uptick in hospitalisations?
Yup, that's begun as well in the southern states.
These are log scales, which compress them from top-to-bottom.
OT the latest version of the Chrome browser seems a bit of a memory hog.
Just the latest version? I moved to Microsoft edge back in January after discovering it used about 1/2 the memory.
Worse as Microsoft edge is based on the exact same framework all that extra memory is being used to allow Google to track what you are doing as none of that excess memory needs to be used
The reason they run a very tight set of technical regulations with few deviations allowed is that they don't want to destroy the sport. As it's a relatively immature technology the concern is, with enough latitude in the regulations, one of the OEMs would come up with a technical innovation that would give them absolutely crushing superiority.
This is exactly what happened in TT Zero which had a very loose Formula Libre approach to electric motorcycle racing. In the vast latitude permitted by the few regulations the Mugen team with Honda know how became overpoweringly dominant. They won 6 titles in a row at last count and are lapping the island at 122mph (as fast as Foggy in the late 90s). Their nearest competitor is lapping at 102mph (as fast as Surtees in late 50s). The result is that the event is now utterly pointless as a competitive exercise.
FE have had nine different race winners and a tight championship so they're probably happy with their more controlled approach.
So...
If I was feeling that the world was excessively boring, do you think the LS-218 would make it more interesting?
Not with the stock tyres and brakes... If it has enough cooling and battery to be ridden absolutely flat out by a nutter like McPint for 20 minutes then it might be a contender.
Mugen actually derated the Shinden to 120kw because of cooling issues. It's all a bit irrelevant now as TT Zero in on hiatus until enough competitive teams emerge.
MotoE is now the focus of electric motorcycle racing and that's been very successful (apart from when a faulty charger caught fire and destroyed every bike in the paddock) with a very tight set of technical regulations.
Lol, BetVictor would only allow me £2 @ 50-1 on Tom Daley for SPoTY.
Lucky to get that now he's won. What price Matty Lee?
Not listed - presumably because he won't get a look in. Daley will get nominated as it's his fourth Olympics and that gold goes with his two bronze medals.
When we were discussing the SPoTY situation we didn't think about when the golds would be won. Peaty now has very little chance of winning SPoTY in my opinion. Daley won his gold during breakfast and will be the headline news tonight.
OT the latest version of the Chrome browser seems a bit of a memory hog.
Just the latest version? I moved to Microsoft edge back in January after discovering it used about 1/2 the memory.
Worse as Microsoft edge is based on the exact same framework all that extra memory is being used to allow Google to track what you are doing as none of that excess memory needs to be used
I use an 8GB Thinkpad for browsing and have to watch the number of tabs open, especially since the recent update.
So lots of wibbling about how poor an olympics we were going to have. Just watching out third gold of the morning now... Not saying we are going to smash it, but some of the chat was a bit previous. 😀
Southern Rep voters are not taking the vaccine because Trump lost the election?
It's progress of a sort, since that sounds like they have admitted he actually lost.!
The US southern states are seeing the vaccine miracle like we are here. In Louisiana and Mississippi, for example, cases are again jumping, but deaths are flatlining.
All hail the vaccine!
Oh wait, double vaccination rates are under 40 per cent in these states....oh......ummm.....er....
The US was the lab for lockdown versus no lockdown and it is the lab for vaccination.
The bodies are not piling up in these states like so many predicted on here. Talk about the end was nigh.
Well, it seems it isn't.
We have to wonder why, and we have to wonder why vaccine passports are being mandated here. Its almost like some people want everybody to be vaccinated so that these comparisons cannot be done.
You should be aware that covid doesn't kill instantly, but there's a delay averaging around 20 days between infection and death (when deaths occur).
It's usually: Infections - 3 days - cases - 7 days - hospitalisations - 10 days - deaths. (Very loosely; massive variation here but that's where it averages out in large numbers).
Uptick in cases has begun.
Uptick in hospitalisations?
Yup, that's begun as well in the southern states.
These are log scales, which compress them from top-to-bottom.
Do we have any data on the cases : hospitalisations ratio in other countries ?
It would be interesting to see how that has changed from the winter in places with varying levels of vaccination.
This postcode talk is certainly a way of excluding outsiders from their discussion.
Suburbs I know but postcodes require wiki translation
In general (but not always) the lower the number the closer to the centre.
One of the very few times I can (and will, correct you).
The numeric order within a London postcode relates to alphabetical order of name of the subdistrict within the district so for example this is the City
EC1 Head district EC2 Bishopsgate EC3 Fenchurch Street EC4 Fleet Street
So lots of wibbling about how poor an olympics we were going to have. Just watching out third gold of the morning now... Not saying we are going to smash it, but some of the chat was a bit previous. 😀
Islanders in Jersey could receive their coronavirus 'booster' jab as soon as September.
At the latest press conference, the Deputy Medical Officer of Health, Dr Ivan Muscat, said his team are currently working on the details for the programme.
He added that over 50s, those considered at risk and health care staff will be called first.
Islanders in Jersey could receive their coronavirus 'booster' jab as soon as September.
At the latest press conference, the Deputy Medical Officer of Health, Dr Ivan Muscat, said his team are currently working on the details for the programme.
He added that over 50s, those considered at risk and health care staff will be called first.
Lol, BetVictor would only allow me £2 @ 50-1 on Tom Daley for SPoTY.
Lucky to get that now he's won. What price Matty Lee?
Not listed - presumably because he won't get a look in. Daley will get nominated as it's his fourth Olympics and that gold goes with his two bronze medals.
When we were discussing the SPoTY situation we didn't think about when the golds would be won. Peaty now has very little chance of winning SPoTY in my opinion. Daley won his gold during breakfast and will be the headline news tonight.
Peaty wouldn’t have got a look in anyway in a world where we win multiple Olympic Golds (1996 this is not). He was expected to win, he defended his title, is there much more of a story? Of course in a year of no alternatives the BBC would have ramped this in the run up to December for all its worth, but already that’s not required. So unless there’s a hidden so far undetected massive SPOTY swimming lobby it’s a non starter.
Whereas there must be real grounds for having Daley as the favourite of a neutral audience now. Virtually the only counter being that he didn’t do it on his own. But being part of a team hasn’t been a barrier in the past.
So lots of wibbling about how poor an olympics we were going to have. Just watching out third gold of the morning now... Not saying we are going to smash it, but some of the chat was a bit previous. 😀
The reason they run a very tight set of technical regulations with few deviations allowed is that they don't want to destroy the sport. As it's a relatively immature technology the concern is, with enough latitude in the regulations, one of the OEMs would come up with a technical innovation that would give them absolutely crushing superiority.
This is exactly what happened in TT Zero which had a very loose Formula Libre approach to electric motorcycle racing. In the vast latitude permitted by the few regulations the Mugen team with Honda know how became overpoweringly dominant. They won 6 titles in a row at last count and are lapping the island at 122mph (as fast as Foggy in the late 90s). Their nearest competitor is lapping at 102mph (as fast as Surtees in late 50s). The result is that the event is now utterly pointless as a competitive exercise.
FE have had nine different race winners and a tight championship so they're probably happy with their more controlled approach.
So...
If I was feeling that the world was excessively boring, do you think the LS-218 would make it more interesting?
Never ridden a motorcycle in my life, but I did drive a Tesla for the first time last week. A friend needed it moved from one town to another and I wasn’t exactly chock-a-block with activities, so I was happy to oblige. He’s a huge fan and was giving me all the reasons Teslas rool, but I’ve got to say that I was mightily disappointed. Zero driving pleasure. Like driving an iPhone: yes it does what it’s meant to do and does it well, but puhrleese, it is not a proper car.
Southern Rep voters are not taking the vaccine because Trump lost the election?
It's progress of a sort, since that sounds like they have admitted he actually lost.!
The US southern states are seeing the vaccine miracle like we are here. In Louisiana and Mississippi, for example, cases are again jumping, but deaths are flatlining.
All hail the vaccine!
Oh wait, double vaccination rates are under 40 per cent in these states....oh......ummm.....er....
The US was the lab for lockdown versus no lockdown and it is the lab for vaccination.
The bodies are not piling up in these states like so many predicted on here. Talk about the end was nigh.
Well, it seems it isn't.
We have to wonder why, and we have to wonder why vaccine passports are being mandated here. Its almost like some people want everybody to be vaccinated so that these comparisons cannot be done.
You should be aware that covid doesn't kill instantly, but there's a delay averaging around 20 days between infection and death (when deaths occur).
It's usually: Infections - 3 days - cases - 7 days - hospitalisations - 10 days - deaths. (Very loosely; massive variation here but that's where it averages out in large numbers).
Uptick in cases has begun.
Uptick in hospitalisations?
Yup, that's begun as well in the southern states.
These are log scales, which compress them from top-to-bottom.
Do we have any data on the cases : hospitalisations ratio in other countries ?
It would be interesting to see how that has changed from the winter in places with varying levels of vaccination.
I was wondering earlier how much the data on vaccine efficacy against serious illness might be skewed in various countries by history of (known or unknown) prior infection. How do they control for it. We may find that the reality of vaccine protection in Aus/NZ, for example, is much lower than studies in the U.K. might suggest...
Possibly depends whether the unvaccinated in the sample population can be said to have the same characteristics re: prior infection as the vaccinated.
Lol, BetVictor would only allow me £2 @ 50-1 on Tom Daley for SPoTY.
Lucky to get that now he's won. What price Matty Lee?
I wonder if Tom Pidcock counts for the powerful SPotY cycling lobby.
Doubt he'll be nominated.
You wouldn't have thought so but cycling does punch above its weight so it may be a question of which cyclist: Pidcock; erstwhile favourite Mark Cavendish (out to 10 on Betfair); Jason or Laura Kenny if they win; A N Other.
Grabbing 50/1 Tom Daley was inspired (now joint-favourite with Dina Asher-Smith) but these days I think it safer to wait and see who is nominated, as you suggest.
Islanders in Jersey could receive their coronavirus 'booster' jab as soon as September.
At the latest press conference, the Deputy Medical Officer of Health, Dr Ivan Muscat, said his team are currently working on the details for the programme.
He added that over 50s, those considered at risk and health care staff will be called first.
The camerawork on the triathlon is hilarious. The motorbikes with cameras on keep turning corners and losing sight of the runners and the TV feed team clearly has no warning before it happens.
The cameramen were probably borrowed from the kirin
Re. "MMR causes autism hoax perpetuated by Andrew Wakefield, aided and abetted by the likes of The Lancet and Private Eye", see Dominic Lawson's piece in today's Daily Mail, in which (between the lines) he calls the Lancet the property of the Chinese Communist Party.
Having a rare understanding of how ideology works, Lawson goes further and suggests that the idea-forms of "medical science" and "science" themselves are now under a significant degree of similar control:
"you can see why distinguished medical researchers such as Sir Jeremy Farrar [...] were so concerned about the consequences if the public were to believe that Covid-19 had emerged as a result of the work of scientists. It could have shattered the reputation of the entire advanced medical research profession globally. It would have been the scientists, and not the politicians [...] charged with infamy and incompetence [...]"
"(L)et's not forget that the medical establishment has its own political prejudices, too: and it certainly seemed to prefer Beijing to the conspiracy theorist then in the White House."
Oh dear, oh dear, the west is in big trouble here...
The constructed terrain of belief land seems to have travelled from
* the "Wuhan lab leak theory" (WLLT) is dirty stuff that no proper person would support in public (although the population was put in a state of being awash with it as early as last spring) TO * the WLLT ought to be considered by "people like us", Bayesian heroes that we all are, with our oh-so open minds SURELY INEVITABLY ON ITS WAY TOWARDS * "Lab leak? You must be joking. Deliberate spreading, more like!" FOLLOWED BY * "destroy the yellow peril before it destroys us".
And in the irony of ironies, which political leader was it again who was known for referencing "the China virus"?
Gotta wonder what Jeremy Hunt, who made his fortune in China, thinks about this.
In other news, the HMS Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier (reminiscent of the institution in the USSR that was named after Lenin twice) is now entering the South China Sea.
Islanders in Jersey could receive their coronavirus 'booster' jab as soon as September.
At the latest press conference, the Deputy Medical Officer of Health, Dr Ivan Muscat, said his team are currently working on the details for the programme.
He added that over 50s, those considered at risk and health care staff will be called first.
Islanders in Jersey could receive their coronavirus 'booster' jab as soon as September.
At the latest press conference, the Deputy Medical Officer of Health, Dr Ivan Muscat, said his team are currently working on the details for the programme.
He added that over 50s, those considered at risk and health care staff will be called first.
Lol, BetVictor would only allow me £2 @ 50-1 on Tom Daley for SPoTY.
Lucky to get that now he's won. What price Matty Lee?
I wonder if Tom Pidcock counts for the powerful SPotY cycling lobby.
Doubt he'll be nominated.
You wouldn't have thought so but cycling does punch above its weight so it may be a question of which cyclist: Pidcock; erstwhile favourite Mark Cavendish (out to 10 on Betfair); Jason or Laura Kenny if they win; A N Other.
Grabbing 50/1 Tom Daley was inspired (now joint-favourite with Dina Asher-Smith) but these days I think it safer to wait and see who is nominated, as you suggest.
So far I think there are three or four very likely nominees:
Mark Cavendish Adam Peaty Tom Daley Alun Wyn Jones
In the last three years, the BBC have limited it to six nominees, but I guess they might have a few more in an Olympic year. You can be certain that at least one woman will be nominated. You can be certain that at least on disability sports competitor will be nominated. That's why it's tricky for the likes of Pidcock to get a look in.
So the special French travel category is widely seen as another government cock-up and everyone now seems to be expecting another u-turn in the coming week.
Are you getting that from journalists with a holiday home in France?
On preferred London locales, I am happy to say that - prisons aside (I was innocent, so it seems fair) - I have only lived in a "1"
ie a postcode ending in "1"
I've lived in
NW1 W1 WC1 N1 and E1
I'd quite like to try SW1 and S1 but there isn't an S1 (why?)
From a postcode perspective (and including my current London flat), I've lived in:
W1 WC1 NW3 W2 E1
So, that's a pretty similar list.
Seems I'm the only person here with a big London spread, posh and not. North and South. Inner and outer.
I've also done a cell but only at the station so Leon wins that one.
I've been arrested/detained by three different types of [sort of] police in Britain.
I'll eat an extra slice of tomorrow's birthday cake for whoever can think of the three different types.
Happy birthday
Transport police? Regulars? MoD?
Fashion police?
Interestingly, in his autobiography, one of the founders of the modern UK armed police stated they chose black for the overalls because that was what The Men On The Balcony wore. As in, fashion for armed barstewards....
Southern Rep voters are not taking the vaccine because Trump lost the election?
It's progress of a sort, since that sounds like they have admitted he actually lost.!
The US southern states are seeing the vaccine miracle like we are here. In Louisiana and Mississippi, for example, cases are again jumping, but deaths are flatlining.
All hail the vaccine!
Oh wait, double vaccination rates are under 40 per cent in these states....oh......ummm.....er....
The US was the lab for lockdown versus no lockdown and it is the lab for vaccination.
The bodies are not piling up in these states like so many predicted on here. Talk about the end was nigh.
Well, it seems it isn't.
We have to wonder why, and we have to wonder why vaccine passports are being mandated here. Its almost like some people want everybody to be vaccinated so that these comparisons cannot be done.
You should be aware that covid doesn't kill instantly, but there's a delay averaging around 20 days between infection and death (when deaths occur).
It's usually: Infections - 3 days - cases - 7 days - hospitalisations - 10 days - deaths. (Very loosely; massive variation here but that's where it averages out in large numbers).
Uptick in cases has begun.
Uptick in hospitalisations?
Yup, that's begun as well in the southern states.
These are log scales, which compress them from top-to-bottom.
And even then we will see much reduced death figures because the vaccination profile of who has been vaccinated in the US skews towards the clinically vulnerable!
Lol, BetVictor would only allow me £2 @ 50-1 on Tom Daley for SPoTY.
Lucky to get that now he's won. What price Matty Lee?
I wonder if Tom Pidcock counts for the powerful SPotY cycling lobby.
Doubt he'll be nominated.
You wouldn't have thought so but cycling does punch above its weight so it may be a question of which cyclist: Pidcock; erstwhile favourite Mark Cavendish (out to 10 on Betfair); Jason or Laura Kenny if they win; A N Other.
Grabbing 50/1 Tom Daley was inspired (now joint-favourite with Dina Asher-Smith) but these days I think it safer to wait and see who is nominated, as you suggest.
So far I think there are three or four very likely nominees:
Mark Cavendish Adam Peaty Tom Daley Alun Wyn Jones
In the last three years, the BBC have limited it to six nominees, but I guess they might have a few more in an Olympic year. You can be certain that at least one woman will be nominated. You can be certain that at least on disability sports competitor will be nominated. That's why it's tricky for the likes of Pidcock to get a look in.
Tom Daley is a solid chance now, imho. He's got a big public profile and a perfect story now. If DAS can take a track gold she will be up there too. Adam Peaty probably deserves it but I'm not sure he is publicity-friendly enough.
So lots of wibbling about how poor an olympics we were going to have. Just watching out third gold of the morning now... Not saying we are going to smash it, but some of the chat was a bit previous. 😀
I would love to be wrong, my worry is that in rowing, track cycling and sailing we're going to be well down in London and Rio. Those are a lot of gold medals for us.
Lol, BetVictor would only allow me £2 @ 50-1 on Tom Daley for SPoTY.
Lucky to get that now he's won. What price Matty Lee?
I wonder if Tom Pidcock counts for the powerful SPotY cycling lobby.
He’s England’s best one-day road cyclist by a long way; and MTB, obviously. But the problem is the UK is unusually obsessed by stage racing and velodrome events, and he doesn’t feature there at all.
On triathlons, the bike leg in the sprint (Olympic) triathlon is almost useless as drafting is allowed and the courses are very flat. It means those strong on the bike are disadvantaged compared to runners. A course with lots of climb or no drafting rule (Perhaps both) would make the bike leg more meaningful
How can they not find any hills? They’re in Japan!
It’s turning into something of a comedy. They should really award Tokyo the next available Games in 2036, to let them do it properly.
That's pretty nasty and unnecessary.
It has been an incredibly challenging and sometimes divisive Games for Tokyo to run and I feel rather sorry for them.
They have to hope tropical storm Nepartak tracks north too.
I think putting the event boat to block half the start, then firing the starting gun, *then* churning the propellers on the event boat to reverse at speed to where competitors had actually dived in which could have shredded some of the competitors is a *really* serious error.
People had started the race in the area the boat backup up into.
Another fun fact for Covid data wranglers is that individual states data reporting speed is so slow that it can easily be a moth before the true picture emerges
Below is the Georgia "Deaths By reported data" and "Deaths by actual date" up to the end of last year. Sport the difference.
Southern Rep voters are not taking the vaccine because Trump lost the election?
It's progress of a sort, since that sounds like they have admitted he actually lost.!
The US southern states are seeing the vaccine miracle like we are here. In Louisiana and Mississippi, for example, cases are again jumping, but deaths are flatlining.
All hail the vaccine!
Oh wait, double vaccination rates are under 40 per cent in these states....oh......ummm.....er....
The US was the lab for lockdown versus no lockdown and it is the lab for vaccination.
The bodies are not piling up in these states like so many predicted on here. Talk about the end was nigh.
Well, it seems it isn't.
We have to wonder why, and we have to wonder why vaccine passports are being mandated here. Its almost like some people want everybody to be vaccinated so that these comparisons cannot be done.
You should be aware that covid doesn't kill instantly, but there's a delay averaging around 20 days between infection and death (when deaths occur).
It's usually: Infections - 3 days - cases - 7 days - hospitalisations - 10 days - deaths. (Very loosely; massive variation here but that's where it averages out in large numbers).
Uptick in cases has begun.
Uptick in hospitalisations?
Yup, that's begun as well in the southern states.
These are log scales, which compress them from top-to-bottom.
Do we have any data on the cases : hospitalisations ratio in other countries ?
It would be interesting to see how that has changed from the winter in places with varying levels of vaccination.
Problem will be that for many places the difference will still be as much due to their lower level of testing, then do to any variation in vaccination rates. I don't know whether many other countries are doing anything like the ONS infection survey, but if they aren't it would be very difficult to untangle the testing/vaccination effects from the numbers.
On triathlons, the bike leg in the sprint (Olympic) triathlon is almost useless as drafting is allowed and the courses are very flat. It means those strong on the bike are disadvantaged compared to runners. A course with lots of climb or no drafting rule (Perhaps both) would make the bike leg more meaningful
How can they not find any hills? They’re in Japan!
It’s turning into something of a comedy. They should really award Tokyo the next available Games in 2036, to let them do it properly.
That's pretty nasty and unnecessary.
It has been an incredibly challenging and sometimes divisive Games for Tokyo to run and I feel rather sorry for them.
They have to hope tropical storm Nepartak tracks north too.
I think putting the event boat to block half the start, then firing the starting gun, *then* churning the propellers on the event boat to reverse at speed to where competitors had actually dived in which could have shredded some of the competitors is a *really* serious error.
People had started the race in the area the boat backup up into.
Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
What a ridiculous comment. Epidemiologically ridiculous.
Under 18's are, despite what we parents might occasionally think, still human beings. They catch and transmit the virus.
Counting only adults is artificially massaging the statistics.
Vaccinations stats MUST include whole populations. Why? Because everyone can spread this.
If the UK don't get jabbing under-18's then we create the perfect petri dish for mutations.
Remind us of your qualifications in virology, epidemiology and medical ethics.
Statistics as well since he wants to compare data sets with different inclusion criteria
So lots of wibbling about how poor an olympics we were going to have. Just watching out third gold of the morning now... Not saying we are going to smash it, but some of the chat was a bit previous. 😀
I would love to be wrong, my worry is that in rowing, track cycling and sailing we're going to be well down in London and Rio. Those are a lot of gold medals for us.
Absolutely. Just pointing out how we’ve already got 3 golds and only half way through day 3. Lots of our medals come in odd places, such as the dancing kicking and falling into water etc.
Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
What a ridiculous comment. Epidemiologically ridiculous.
Under 18's are, despite what we parents might occasionally think, still human beings. They catch and transmit the virus.
Counting only adults is artificially massaging the statistics.
Vaccinations stats MUST include whole populations. Why? Because everyone can spread this.
If the UK don't get jabbing under-18's then we create the perfect petri dish for mutations.
Remind us of your qualifications in virology, epidemiology and medical ethics.
Remind us of your comprehension of trends and statistics
knowing better than the JCVI....
The JCVI paper on this is quite nuanced. Have you actually read it? Whilst it tallies with Germany's position it goes counter to many, if not most, other developed countries including the US whose FDA is more stringent than probably anywhere else in the world. They have not only approved vaccinating under 18's in the 12-17 range but will probably also begin vaccinating 9-12 year olds.
The UK's decision not to vaccinate 21% of its population, in tandem with unlocking is a very, very, very, dangerous game to be playing. Children catch and spread this virus.
As all the experts are saying.
All? Presumably the experts on JCVI agree with their own position?
Southern Rep voters are not taking the vaccine because Trump lost the election?
It's progress of a sort, since that sounds like they have admitted he actually lost.!
The US southern states are seeing the vaccine miracle like we are here. In Louisiana and Mississippi, for example, cases are again jumping, but deaths are flatlining.
All hail the vaccine!
Oh wait, double vaccination rates are under 40 per cent in these states....oh......ummm.....er....
The US was the lab for lockdown versus no lockdown and it is the lab for vaccination.
The bodies are not piling up in these states like so many predicted on here. Talk about the end was nigh.
Well, it seems it isn't.
We have to wonder why, and we have to wonder why vaccine passports are being mandated here. Its almost like some people want everybody to be vaccinated so that these comparisons cannot be done.
You should be aware that covid doesn't kill instantly, but there's a delay averaging around 20 days between infection and death (when deaths occur).
It's usually: Infections - 3 days - cases - 7 days - hospitalisations - 10 days - deaths. (Very loosely; massive variation here but that's where it averages out in large numbers).
Uptick in cases has begun.
Uptick in hospitalisations?
Yup, that's begun as well in the southern states.
These are log scales, which compress them from top-to-bottom.
Do we have any data on the cases : hospitalisations ratio in other countries ?
It would be interesting to see how that has changed from the winter in places with varying levels of vaccination.
Problem will be that for many places the difference will still be as much due to their lower level of testing, then do to any variation in vaccination rates. I don't know whether many other countries are doing anything like the ONS infection survey, but if they aren't it would be very difficult to untangle the testing/vaccination effects from the numbers.
Sure, but it might allow comparisons between different waves for the same place.
Even if comparisons from place to place wouldn't work because of the different levels of testing.
Thank goodness the French hesistancy was not as the polling indicated.
People who know France better than I do were always pretty sanguine about that- they expected both the initial moaning and the acceptance of the jab when offered.
Besides, the French vaccination ads are very persuasive;
France is doing well but their numbers are flattered by the number of 12-17 year olds they’re vaccinating. Their vaccination rate for older people is still lower than ours.
What a ridiculous comment. Epidemiologically ridiculous.
Under 18's are, despite what we parents might occasionally think, still human beings. They catch and transmit the virus.
Counting only adults is artificially massaging the statistics.
Vaccinations stats MUST include whole populations. Why? Because everyone can spread this.
If the UK don't get jabbing under-18's then we create the perfect petri dish for mutations.
Remind us of your qualifications in virology, epidemiology and medical ethics.
Remind us of your comprehension of trends and statistics
knowing better than the JCVI....
the US whose FDA is more stringent than probably anywhere else in the world
This FDA?:
The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved aducanumab (Aduhelm)—a drug which aims to delay clinical decline in patients with Alzheimer’s disease—despite concerns over a lack of evidence.
Lol, BetVictor would only allow me £2 @ 50-1 on Tom Daley for SPoTY.
Lucky to get that now he's won. What price Matty Lee?
I wonder if Tom Pidcock counts for the powerful SPotY cycling lobby.
He’s England’s best one-day road cyclist by a long way; and MTB, obviously. But the problem is the UK is unusually obsessed by stage racing and velodrome events, and he doesn’t feature there at all.
Because Team GB has been extremely successful in track cycling events since 2008. A certain Chris Hoy started it all off.
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Under 18's are, despite what we parents might occasionally think, still human beings. They catch and transmit the virus.
Counting only adults is artificially massaging the statistics.
Vaccinations stats MUST include whole populations. Why? Because everyone can spread this.
If the UK don't get jabbing under-18's then we create the perfect petri dish for mutations.
My point was not that. Because obviously Iceland has not vaccinated 100% of people over the age of 80.
It's simply that this isn't a conspiracy. It's a consequence of Iceland (or whoever) using out of date numbers for the number of people over the age of 80.
We in the UK don't really know exactly how many people are over the age of 80 in the country (look at the recent issues counting the number of people from the EU) - why should we expect anyone else to be any better?
Islanders in Jersey could receive their coronavirus 'booster' jab as soon as September.
At the latest press conference, the Deputy Medical Officer of Health, Dr Ivan Muscat, said his team are currently working on the details for the programme.
He added that over 50s, those considered at risk and health care staff will be called first.
https://www.itv.com/news/channel/2021-07-25/coronavirus-booster-jabs-planned-for-september-in-jersey
As the supply is from the UK, presumably the UK is too....
You get this morning's Professor Peston award for knowing better than the JCVI....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57941574
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/16/englands-covid-unlocking-a-threat-to-the-world-experts-say
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/954377
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/07/countries-should-not-relax-covid-rules-too-quickly-says-who-official-mike-ryan
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/07/18/1029638/why-englands-sudden-lifting-of-covid-restrictions-is-a-massive-gamble/
https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/will-the-uk-become-a-breeding-ground-for-new-covid-19-variants/
Experts are all warning something which is obvious to anyone non-medical who is intelligent: that we are playing a dangerous game here. Under-18's aren't in school which is a good thing but they will of course return in c. 5 to 6 weeks. They can catch and spread the virus, they are indeed believed to have been the main vector in recent weeks.
So any vaccination crowing that doesn't take into account under 18's is misplaced, to put it politely.
The UK's decision not to vaccinate 21% of its population, in tandem with unlocking is a very, very, very, dangerous game to be playing. Children catch and spread this virus.
As all the experts are saying.
Are these the same experts who roundly criticised the UK's move to extend the gaps between jabs?
The contract was eventually won by a relative of the king.
Meanwhile his citizens are dying in the streets.
https://twitter.com/Birdseed501/status/1419533571581218816?s=20
40 hours and 8 stops.....
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-emergency-use
https://twitter.com/adamfleming/status/1419535304193712128?s=20
The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved aducanumab (Aduhelm)—a drug which aims to delay clinical decline in patients with Alzheimer’s disease—despite concerns over a lack of evidence.
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1462
Also some “experts” seem very keen to single out the U.K. as conducting some sort of “uniquely” “dangerous” “experiment”. That our current levels of population vaccination (even without children) are higher than almost everywhere else, including countries with virus mitigation restrictions not significantly different from our own, means that we are by no means unique nor obiouvsly dangerous is conveniently overlooked.
And also there is a tendency whenever organisations like the W.H.O comment on Covid, for media like the Guardian to automatically assume the MUST be referring to the U.K...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9824485/DOMINIC-LAWSON-Scientists-adept-politicians-dodging-blame-coronavirus.html
Last week, the distinguished medical researcher and head of the Wellcome Trust, Sir Jeremy Farrar, published his own account of the fight against Covid-19 (Spike: The Virus Vs. The People). In it, he blames The Lancet, perhaps the world's best-known medical journal, for delaying publication of a crucial piece of research — the first to suggest that a novel and potentially lethal virus was spreading from human to human in the Chinese city of Wuhan.
A Dutch professor, Thijs Kuiken, had been sent the paper on January 16, 2020, by The Lancet for review, and once he realised the astounding implications of its findings, he urged The Lancet to publish immediately. When, for unexplained reasons, it wouldn't, he contacted Farrar, who reveals that he both emailed and texted The Lancet's editor-in-chief, Dr Richard Horton — but got no response.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9824485/DOMINIC-LAWSON-Scientists-adept-politicians-dodging-blame-coronavirus.html
But the JCVI has not yet determined that is the correct priority for our supply of doses.
Interesting divergence in reporting between the BBC and others (the Mail, in this case) regarding a stabbing:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57965251
https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/1419522913879748609
AIUI, people WANT the vaccine; it's 'just' that the roll-out has been slow.
Even this might get Pb banned in Thailand.
Incidentally, is he still cowering in that luxury hotel in Germany, or has he finally gone back to Thailand?
The reason they run a very tight set of technical regulations with few deviations allowed is that they don't want to destroy the sport. As it's a relatively immature technology the concern is, with enough latitude in the regulations, one of the OEMs would come up with a technical innovation that would give them absolutely crushing superiority.
This is exactly what happened in TT Zero which had a very loose Formula Libre approach to electric motorcycle racing. In the vast latitude permitted by the few regulations the Mugen team with Honda know how became overpoweringly dominant. They won 6 titles in a row at last count and are lapping the island at 122mph (as fast as Foggy in the late 90s). Their nearest competitor is lapping at 102mph (as fast as Surtees in late 50s). The result is that the event is now utterly pointless as a competitive exercise.
FE have had nine different race winners and a tight championship so they're probably happy with their more controlled approach.
St Johns Wood
Chelsea
Waterloo
Easy Finchley
Notting Hill
If I was feeling that the world was excessively boring, do you think the LS-218 would make it more interesting?
I don't think he's cowering; I think he's got plenty with which to amuse himself!
Isn’t the point of self isolation that the exempted workers might have already been exposed...?
https://www.stadt-koeln.de/politik-und-verwaltung/presse/mitteilungen/23649/index.html#
People are on holiday at the moment so it's going to take a while before the smoke clears and we can get an idea of what % take up we're going to end up with.
It's usually: Infections - 3 days - cases - 7 days - hospitalisations - 10 days - deaths.
(Very loosely; massive variation here but that's where it averages out in large numbers).
Uptick in cases has begun.
Uptick in hospitalisations?
Yup, that's begun as well in the southern states.
These are log scales, which compress them from top-to-bottom.
Worse as Microsoft edge is based on the exact same framework all that extra memory is being used to allow Google to track what you are doing as none of that excess memory needs to be used
Mugen actually derated the Shinden to 120kw because of cooling issues. It's all a bit irrelevant now as TT Zero in on hiatus until enough competitive teams emerge.
MotoE is now the focus of electric motorcycle racing and that's been very successful (apart from when a faulty charger caught fire and destroyed every bike in the paddock) with a very tight set of technical regulations.
When we were discussing the SPoTY situation we didn't think about when the golds would be won. Peaty now has very little chance of winning SPoTY in my opinion. Daley won his gold during breakfast and will be the headline news tonight.
Transport police?
Regulars?
MoD?
It would be interesting to see how that has changed from the winter in places with varying levels of vaccination.
Not even the most well known Pidcock anymore.
Whereas there must be real grounds for having Daley as the favourite of a neutral audience now. Virtually the only counter being that he didn’t do it on his own. But being part of a team hasn’t been a barrier in the past.
Rising shriek: He’s like a combination of Poseidon and Neptune!!!
Possibly depends whether the unvaccinated in the sample population can be said to have the same characteristics re: prior infection as the vaccinated.
Grabbing 50/1 Tom Daley was inspired (now joint-favourite with Dina Asher-Smith) but these days I think it safer to wait and see who is nominated, as you suggest.
It’s basically saying “close down my competitors”
I don't think the Formal Announcement has been made.....
Having a rare understanding of how ideology works, Lawson goes further and suggests that the idea-forms of "medical science" and "science" themselves are now under a significant degree of similar control:
"you can see why distinguished medical researchers such as Sir Jeremy Farrar [...] were so concerned about the consequences if the public were to believe that Covid-19 had emerged as a result of the work of scientists. It could have shattered the reputation of the entire advanced medical research profession globally. It would have been the scientists, and not the politicians [...] charged with infamy and incompetence [...]"
"(L)et's not forget that the medical establishment has its own political prejudices, too: and it certainly seemed to prefer Beijing to the conspiracy theorist then in the White House."
Oh dear, oh dear, the west is in big trouble here...
The constructed terrain of belief land seems to have travelled from
* the "Wuhan lab leak theory" (WLLT) is dirty stuff that no proper person would support in public (although the population was put in a state of being awash with it as early as last spring)
TO
* the WLLT ought to be considered by "people like us", Bayesian heroes that we all are, with our oh-so open minds
SURELY INEVITABLY ON ITS WAY TOWARDS
* "Lab leak? You must be joking. Deliberate spreading, more like!"
FOLLOWED BY
* "destroy the yellow peril before it destroys us".
And in the irony of ironies, which political leader was it again who was known for referencing "the China virus"?
Gotta wonder what Jeremy Hunt, who made his fortune in China, thinks about this.
In other news, the HMS Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier (reminiscent of the institution in the USSR that was named after Lenin twice) is now entering the South China Sea.
Mark Cavendish
Adam Peaty
Tom Daley
Alun Wyn Jones
In the last three years, the BBC have limited it to six nominees, but I guess they might have a few more in an Olympic year. You can be certain that at least one woman will be nominated. You can be certain that at least on disability sports competitor will be nominated. That's why it's tricky for the likes of Pidcock to get a look in.
People had started the race in the area the boat backup up into.
Has there been anything this dangerous before?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/olympics/57965640
Below is the Georgia "Deaths By reported data" and "Deaths by actual date" up to the end of last year. Sport the difference.
AIUI Jeremy Hunt made his fortune from a company called Hot Courses, iirc an online course directory, which was sold for around £30 million in 2017.
And like many in London he probably has a couple of million unearned, untaxed profit from rising house prices - either realised or potential.
Was that really something a commentator said?
Even if comparisons from place to place wouldn't work because of the different levels of testing.