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Elphicke only apologised because of her high profile as an MP and the storm around it from the left on twitter, she would not have made the comment in the first place if she did not think it and as I have just posted many if not most of her Tory voters will have backed her in opposing Rashford's campaign as that Yougov polling data showsBig_G_NorthWales said:
You always need to qualify your statementsHYUFD said:
Yes I may have made a cheap point and said so too but there is no doubt a lot of Tories have felt Rashford has spent too much time campaigning on a political line they disagree with.Big_G_NorthWales said:
From the Manchester Evening NewsCorrectHorseBattery said:
Conservative MP Natalie Elphicke has apologised after saying Marcus Rashford should have spent more time perfecting his game than playing politics
BBC said the Dover MP has now apologised saying last night I shared the frustration and heartbreak of millions of England fans
'I regret messaging privately a rash reaction about Marcus Rashford's missed penalty and apologise to him for any suggestion that he is not fully focused on football'
Our own @HYUFD said the same objectionable comments and it is time for him to make his own apology
I am so sorry for Rashford , Sancho and Saka for missing their spot kicks and need to have the love and understanding of our nation, not bigots and idiots making unacceptable comments either on here or on the media generally
It was pleasing to see how all the England players hugged their colleagues in distress, in marked contrast to Mbappe colleagues who virtually shunned him when he missed his penalty for France
Ever decent person in the country should have great love and affection for England, it's management and players as they look to grow together over the years into a great side
And well done Gareth Southgate
As I posted earlier 47% of Tory voters disagreed with Rashford's campaign for free school meals to be extended to the holidays to only 40% in favour
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20
Why not be like Natalie Elphicke who has made a straightforward unqualified apology for the same thoughtless comments1 -
Started early today, or still the effects of last night's pub visit?Leon said:
No, please tell, you ludicrous prickCorrectHorseBattery said:
Leon I'm not going to go into revealing it as I know it's a private matter for you. I do that out of respect but you're really pushing my buttons today.Leon said:
lol. What ‘circumstances’?CorrectHorseBattery said:
I've always been respectful to you after I understood the circumstances you're in so I would really appreciate the same from you.Leon said:
“Sometimes”?FrancisUrquhart said:
God your an idiot sometimes....it isn't a secret who he is, he is open about it on here.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am convinced HYUFD is an MP.
We don't have to agree on anything - but there's no need to behave like this.0 -
I see outraged statue protectors are just fine with certain types of defacement.2
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Indeed. Compare and contrast the Met's treatment of the Sarah Laurence vigil with the football yesterday.SandraMc said:We have now had 3 threads in a row about football. I personally find the issues raised by Cyclefree about sexism in the police far more interesting - and disturbing.
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I'd imagine cut-and-paste morphed into copy-and-paste when computer typesetting and or word processing passed into the hands of non-specialists. Possibly even in the hands of experienced editors and typographers since cut and copy became two distinct operations. So the answer is, I don't know but I'm blaming computers.CorrectHorseBattery said:
An interesting point, when did it become copy and paste?DecrepiterJohnL said:
I expect one person said it and the others cut and pasted it from their Whatsapp group. (Showing my age there: cut rather than copy and pasted.)CorrectHorseBattery said:
According to JoB, it was posted just after 11.kle4 said:
A dumb line if so. It doesn't even work on a practical level since its hard to accept they genuinely believe a whole bunch of campaigning mostly some time ago, has affected his ability to take penalties as he has been in training every day for a month. So it just comes across as petty complaint about a battle that was already conceded by the PM, why reopen it?CorrectHorseBattery said:Tory MP Natalie Elphicke is forced into grovelling climbdown after saying Marcus Rashford should have practised taking penalties instead of 'playing politics' by campaigning for free school meals
The odd thing, is this is almost word for word what one user said here last night, somebody we know is a member of the Tory Party and I believe an elected representative. Is this a line going around CCHQ?
As to whether it is a line, I'd suspect it's more just multiple people thinking it is such a clever and killer line that it must be shared with the world, then finding out it isn't very clever at all.
Happens with my comments a lot.
HYUFD posted just after 11, the same thing.1 -
Going off his Essicksinnit locale and "fuck the poor" opinions he must be Iain Duncan SmithCorrectHorseBattery said:I am convinced HYUFD is an MP.
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Given how much of the mural is currently covered up I don't think that is the graffiti in question.MattW said:
(For the record, Horse, yes obvs I condemn this).Alphabet_Soup said:
A New Age airhead has defaced a mural of Marcus Rashford with a howl of meaningless psychobabble. No proper Englishman could utter a sentence like that:contrarian said:
It was probably said by people.kle4 said:
I think its been established before that even a lot of things that seem like they must be by bots, for example, often are not. Simplest explanation is usually the best, and conspiracy is not the simplest.contrarian said:I must say, the racist tweets I saw quoted by Sunder Katwala this morning really don't sound like they were written by English people.
If you wanted to sow division and hatred in a country, this is the kind of thing you would do, isn't it?
Just not by English people.
Look at the language. English people don't speak like that.
What proof do you have the perpetrators were English people...?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-57803161
However it will be interesting to see where the media / commentators take this - most media reports are going for the 'this is so offensive we have blocked it out of the picture and won't discuss the content with you' method, as the Today programme used to do before they spent 6 minutes discussing how outrageous twitter had become.
'Racially aggravated damage' ?
https://theathletic.com/news/marcus-rashford-euro-2020-england/R45W1PIU6IHR
It is a picture of a cock 'n' balls.
I can see them going for RAD due to indirect reasons, however.0 -
Given how much of the mural is currently covered up I don't think that is the graffiti in question.MattW said:
(For the record, Horse, yes obvs I condemn this).Alphabet_Soup said:
A New Age airhead has defaced a mural of Marcus Rashford with a howl of meaningless psychobabble. No proper Englishman could utter a sentence like that:contrarian said:
It was probably said by people.kle4 said:
I think its been established before that even a lot of things that seem like they must be by bots, for example, often are not. Simplest explanation is usually the best, and conspiracy is not the simplest.contrarian said:I must say, the racist tweets I saw quoted by Sunder Katwala this morning really don't sound like they were written by English people.
If you wanted to sow division and hatred in a country, this is the kind of thing you would do, isn't it?
Just not by English people.
Look at the language. English people don't speak like that.
What proof do you have the perpetrators were English people...?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-57803161
However it will be interesting to see where the media / commentators take this - most media reports are going for the 'this is so offensive we have blocked it out of the picture and won't discuss the content with you' method, as the Today programme used to do before they spent 6 minutes discussing how outrageous twitter had become.
'Racially aggravated damage' ?
https://theathletic.com/news/marcus-rashford-euro-2020-england/R45W1PIU6IHR
It is a picture of a cock 'n' balls.
I can see them going for RAD due to indirect reasons, however.0 -
Freedom of speech bites the dust againHYUFD said:
Elphicke only apologised because of her high profile as an MP and the storm around it from the left on twitter, she would not have made the comment in the first place if she did not think it and as I have just posted many if not most of her Tory voters will have backed her in opposing Rashford's campaign as that Yougov polling data showsBig_G_NorthWales said:
You always need to qualify your statementsHYUFD said:
Yes I may have made a cheap point and said so too but there is no doubt a lot of Tories have felt Rashford has spent too much time campaigning on a political line they disagree with.Big_G_NorthWales said:
From the Manchester Evening NewsCorrectHorseBattery said:
Conservative MP Natalie Elphicke has apologised after saying Marcus Rashford should have spent more time perfecting his game than playing politics
BBC said the Dover MP has now apologised saying last night I shared the frustration and heartbreak of millions of England fans
'I regret messaging privately a rash reaction about Marcus Rashford's missed penalty and apologise to him for any suggestion that he is not fully focused on football'
Our own @HYUFD said the same objectionable comments and it is time for him to make his own apology
I am so sorry for Rashford , Sancho and Saka for missing their spot kicks and need to have the love and understanding of our nation, not bigots and idiots making unacceptable comments either on here or on the media generally
It was pleasing to see how all the England players hugged their colleagues in distress, in marked contrast to Mbappe colleagues who virtually shunned him when he missed his penalty for France
Ever decent person in the country should have great love and affection for England, it's management and players as they look to grow together over the years into a great side
And well done Gareth Southgate
As I posted earlier 47% of Tory voters disagreed with Rashford's campaign for free school meals to be extended to the holidays to only 40% in favour
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20
Why not be like Natalie Elphicke who has made a straightforward unqualified apology for the same thoughtless comments1 -
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