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It has to be odds on that they’ll try to impose some kind of restrictions this winter.maaarsh said:https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1412787809082032138
Told you so…
…buried deep in a Govt document released Monday, they confirm the intention to renew emergency Coronavirus Act powers through the winter.
What happened to “irreversible”?0 -
PB scientists: do you think these will work as advertised?
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The driver shortage is getting critical. A quote from a retail business who has seen its entire supply cut off until further notice. Although the issue appears to be structural, this government has allowed it to become a crisis, not least because of its "Fuck Business" approach and refusal to engage with business interests.Scott_xP said:Working hours rules to be relaxed to ease UK lorry driver shortage https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/07/working-hours-rules-to-be-relaxed-to-ease-uk-lorry-driver-shortage?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/wholesalers/driver-shortage-crisis-brakes-axes-supply-to-customers-and-suppliers-halt-deliveries/657419.article0 -
Looks like hospital numbers are up 40% week on week. We probably need to hit the vaccine wall soon to avoid trouble.0
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Case growth rate down quite significantly.1
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My son used to work at a supermarket alongside a Mr Seaman and a Miss Swallow.Andy_JS said:
I can't remember a time when they weren't irritating. A lot of people probably don't go to supermarkets these days.Leon said:
‘Supermarket tannoys have gone downhill in recent years’ is Peak PB in a brilliant way I don’t understandstate_go_away said:
Supermarket tannoys have gone downhill in recent years - now full of cheap irritating songs (even if they annoy a couple of prickly people from Glasgow in this case) wheras once they fascinating to hear which underling employee needed to report to the managers office for a good telling off (or maybe something else if Mike Hancock was in charge). Then you would see some poor downtrodden worker scuttle off embarrassed past the aisles of beans and whisper to them "good luck mate "CarlottaVance said:No grievance too trivial:
TESCO has been accused of pouring “salt in the wounds” of Scottish football fans after playing an English supporters’ anthem from the store tannoy.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/19424576.tesco-rubs-salt-wounds-scotland-football-fans-english-anthem/
I love, for instance, the implication that for a long while ‘supermarket tannoys’ remained consistently and surprisingly excellent, like the paintings of the Dutch Golden Age
The tannoy announcer had fun with that.0 -
It would be meaningless anyway to say it was irreversible and pull the legislation. It could be put back to the Commons within a very short time in an emergency. Starmer will vote it through whatever backbench tories think.jonny83 said:
I would have been more worried if it was truly 'irreversible'. Need to keep as many options open as possible and we don't know what position we are going to be in a few months time.maaarsh said:https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1412787809082032138
Told you so…
…buried deep in a Govt document released Monday, they confirm the intention to renew emergency Coronavirus Act powers through the winter.
What happened to “irreversible”?
Hopefully everything goes smoothly through the rest of summer and into autumn so that our winter situation is a good one to be in but we just don't know right now.
Only a brain dead government would rule anything out right now.
I am resigned to lockdown this winter to be honest. Focusing on enjoying this summer.1 -
There used to be a primary school head teacher in Aberdeen (retired many years now) who rejoiced under the name of Jack Tw&t.No_Offence_Alan said:
My son used to work at a supermarket alongside a Mr Seaman and a Miss Swallow.Andy_JS said:
I can't remember a time when they weren't irritating. A lot of people probably don't go to supermarkets these days.Leon said:
‘Supermarket tannoys have gone downhill in recent years’ is Peak PB in a brilliant way I don’t understandstate_go_away said:
Supermarket tannoys have gone downhill in recent years - now full of cheap irritating songs (even if they annoy a couple of prickly people from Glasgow in this case) wheras once they fascinating to hear which underling employee needed to report to the managers office for a good telling off (or maybe something else if Mike Hancock was in charge). Then you would see some poor downtrodden worker scuttle off embarrassed past the aisles of beans and whisper to them "good luck mate "CarlottaVance said:No grievance too trivial:
TESCO has been accused of pouring “salt in the wounds” of Scottish football fans after playing an English supporters’ anthem from the store tannoy.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/19424576.tesco-rubs-salt-wounds-scotland-football-fans-english-anthem/
I love, for instance, the implication that for a long while ‘supermarket tannoys’ remained consistently and surprisingly excellent, like the paintings of the Dutch Golden Age
The tannoy announcer had fun with that.
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Without wanting to be too parochial, though, a quick canter round GM and East Lancashire's hospital trusts shows very clear signs of being at or passed the peak. This is significant because GM and East Lancs are at the forefront of this wave. If GM and East Lancs are peaking and declining, it shouldn't be too long before everyone else is.rcs1000 said:
While they're not massively concerning yet, the number of people in hospital continues to rise at a fair clip - and we're not seeing "down days" any more. In England, they jumped to 2,144 today - which is a doubling every three weeks.Cookie said:32548,33,386
Rather less than I was fearing for a Wednesday.
Still holding on to my call that Greater Manchester has peaked.
Hopefully.
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Yes. There could be a truly vaccine evading variant. With great transmissibility, and sufficient mutations that it takes a lot of work to retool the vaccinesjonny83 said:
I would have been more worried if it was truly 'irreversible'. Need to keep as many options open as possible and we don't know what position we are going to be in a few months time.maaarsh said:https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1412787809082032138
Told you so…
…buried deep in a Govt document released Monday, they confirm the intention to renew emergency Coronavirus Act powers through the winter.
What happened to “irreversible”?
Hopefully everything goes smoothly through the rest of summer and into autumn so that our winter situation is a good one to be in but we just don't know right now.
Only a brain dead government would rule anything out right now.
That’s the doomsday scenario. All bets off. Civilisational collapse
It seems far fetched but who, in February 2020, would have considered the possibility that in July 2021 we’d be discussing global curfews, after 16 months of plague and 10 million dead0 -
I'm honestly not sure what we could do about it given that 88% of people are unvaccinated or partially vaccinated. Society must resume at some point.LostPassword said:Looks like hospital numbers are up 40% week on week. We probably need to hit the vaccine wall soon to avoid trouble.
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If it's Kickstarter, the question is surely whether they'll ever be delivered ?rcs1000 said:PB scientists: do you think these will work as advertised?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/deepoptics/32n-glasses-that-adapt-to-you1 -
You might need a lawyer as well - they seem to offer a temporally indefinite guarantee. For a bit of electronics kit. With a battert and a LCD screen. Unless I have missed some small print.rcs1000 said:PB scientists: do you think these will work as advertised?
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This is the key point. I think people have not adjusted to cases no longer being the most important indicator. Yes if you massively increase cases there will be some bleed through into hospitals and deaths, but nothing like the same as in 2020, or indeed in Jan/Feb 2021. Imagine if we weren't testing at all, unless you were admitted to hospital. Would it even make the news?Cookie said:
Without wanting to be too parochial, though, a quick canter round GM and East Lancashire's hospital trusts shows very clear signs of being at or passed the peak. This is significant because GM and East Lancs are at the forefront of this wave. If GM and East Lancs are peaking and declining, it shouldn't be too long before everyone else is.rcs1000 said:
While they're not massively concerning yet, the number of people in hospital continues to rise at a fair clip - and we're not seeing "down days" any more. In England, they jumped to 2,144 today - which is a doubling every three weeks.Cookie said:32548,33,386
Rather less than I was fearing for a Wednesday.
Still holding on to my call that Greater Manchester has peaked.
Hopefully.1 -
Scotland, which was the worst area for case growth, has suddenly plateaued this week.
That schools broke up a short while ago is not, I suspect, a coincidence.
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88% vaccinated surelyMaxPB said:
I'm honestly not sure what we could do about it given that 88% of people are unvaccinated or partially vaccinated. Society must resume at some point.LostPassword said:Looks like hospital numbers are up 40% week on week. We probably need to hit the vaccine wall soon to avoid trouble.
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Meanwhile, in England, case rate growth seems to have slowed somewhat (although still growing).
My instinct is that schools breaking up will have a far more significant effect than ever before (when we consider that they're the most unvaxxed of all, as a proportion of mixing with those susceptible to being infected, they're at an all-time high).2 -
I think some measures to be reintroduced is likely in winter. Even if come Winter Covid is putting a similar sort of pressure on us as we are seeing right now with rising cases and rising hospitalisations BUT NOT overwhelming the NHS there are other factors that could result in Covid related clampdowns to make sure our Health Services do not get overwhelmed.rottenborough said:
It would be meaningless anyway to say it was irreversible and pull the legislation. It could be put back to the Commons within a very short time in an emergency. Starmer will vote it through whatever backbench tories think.jonny83 said:
I would have been more worried if it was truly 'irreversible'. Need to keep as many options open as possible and we don't know what position we are going to be in a few months time.maaarsh said:https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1412787809082032138
Told you so…
…buried deep in a Govt document released Monday, they confirm the intention to renew emergency Coronavirus Act powers through the winter.
What happened to “irreversible”?
Hopefully everything goes smoothly through the rest of summer and into autumn so that our winter situation is a good one to be in but we just don't know right now.
Only a brain dead government would rule anything out right now.
I am resigned to lockdown this winter to be honest. Focusing on enjoying this summer.
Flu is the big one, from speaking to colleagues there is a real fear about Flu this winter and how Covid might make it hard to identify what flu strains we need to protect against with the jab.0 -
In hospital, sorry.Big_G_NorthWales said:
88% vaccinated surelyMaxPB said:
I'm honestly not sure what we could do about it given that 88% of people are unvaccinated or partially vaccinated. Society must resume at some point.LostPassword said:Looks like hospital numbers are up 40% week on week. We probably need to hit the vaccine wall soon to avoid trouble.
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Sorry, I misread itMaxPB said:
In hospital, sorry.Big_G_NorthWales said:
88% vaccinated surelyMaxPB said:
I'm honestly not sure what we could do about it given that 88% of people are unvaccinated or partially vaccinated. Society must resume at some point.LostPassword said:Looks like hospital numbers are up 40% week on week. We probably need to hit the vaccine wall soon to avoid trouble.
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Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable
Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in
Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz
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That's why Brady won and not the No 10 candidate.numbertwelve said:
It has to be odds on that they’ll try to impose some kind of restrictions this winter.maaarsh said:https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1412787809082032138
Told you so…
…buried deep in a Govt document released Monday, they confirm the intention to renew emergency Coronavirus Act powers through the winter.
What happened to “irreversible”?
Imposing new restrictions in the depths of winter at the same time as hitting southern tory voters for six on taxation (now inevitable) really is a very, very bad look for the tories.
A very bad look.
If Johnson's going to stay in thrall to the scientists and the NHS, he has some completely stinking choices coming his way. Utterly stinking. End of majority stinking. Decimation of the tory MP ranks stinking.
Southern leafy suburb tory voters are already anticipating this. That's why they are already starting to abstain.0 -
Vietnam. I’ll go to Vietnam. Hole up in Da Nang like some alcoholic war photographer in 19691
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More empty shelves in the supermarket this morning, but now they have a notice up apologising for the Nationwide supply problems...FF43 said:The driver shortage is getting critical. A quote from a retail business who has seen its entire supply cut off until further notice. Although the issue appears to be structural, this government has allowed it to become a crisis, not least because of its "Fuck Business" approach and refusal to engage with business interests.
https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/wholesalers/driver-shortage-crisis-brakes-axes-supply-to-customers-and-suppliers-halt-deliveries/657419.article0 -
O/T I've found out that Shadsy is now working for Smarkets, which is good news for us.0
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Technically- why not? Control the orientation of the liquid crystals to change the refractive index in different parts of the lens. Sounds plausible. But people get on just fine with varifocals, don't they? I'm not entirely sure what the benefit is of this over tinted glasses that have a short-sight / nothing varifocus.rcs1000 said:PB scientists: do you think these will work as advertised?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/deepoptics/32n-glasses-that-adapt-to-you0 -
I think by the time we get there the resistance to another lockdown will be massive and, tbh, with a booster programme I'd be surprised if we needed one.Leon said:Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable
Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in
Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz
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If the hospitality industry is legally open, and so receives no Treasury support, but the hospitals fill up, people will get scared and stay home and all the business we spent so much money supporting for the last 18 months will go bust anyway.MaxPB said:
I'm honestly not sure what we could do about it given that 88% of people are unvaccinated or partially vaccinated. Society must resume at some point.LostPassword said:Looks like hospital numbers are up 40% week on week. We probably need to hit the vaccine wall soon to avoid trouble.
I've been very confident that the vaccines will mostly make everything fine, but these increases are higher than I was expecting.
Maybe the only thing to do is to hope this wave will scare more people into being vaccinated.0 -
Alternative to the penalty shootout: "Attacker Defender Goalkeeper (ADG)":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3DONfo2YXk1 -
The English (unsurprisingly) want England to win tonight against Denmark. The Scottish don't. The Welsh don't really care.
🏴 want...
England win: 21%
Denmark win: 38%
Don't care: 38%
🏴 want...
England win: 34%
Denmark win: 13%
Don't care: 50%
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/030fl6gxw3/SnapPoll_Euros_semifinal_July7.pdf https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1412796324706201607/photo/10 -
It will be infinitely worse this winter because the economic chickens will have come home to roost. Faster inflation, no furlough scheme and lovely huge increases in taxes for tory voters.Leon said:Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable
Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in
Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz
Hmmm
The tory regime is like Dr Faustus. Johnson sold his soul to the socialist Mephistopheles, and now the latter wants to settle. The ultimate payment is due.
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Yes, sanibel island. I’ll hunt for shells through the winterNigelb said:
You'd probably be OK with Florida...Leon said:Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable
Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in
Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz
Hmmm
Mauritius would be ok. Boring but great food. Reunion?1 -
Yes, it is a fairly well rstablished technology.rcs1000 said:PB scientists: do you think these will work as advertised?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/deepoptics/32n-glasses-that-adapt-to-you
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0888B29ZR/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_34CSEKP1GSRAEQN6EFVA0 -
66% of English voters unsurprisingly want England to win tonight to just 3% backing the Danes.
38% of Scots want Denmark to win however to just 21% backing England.
34% of Welsh voters want England to win, only 13% want the Danes to win
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I don't think they will. People are fed up and vaccinated. They realise that hospitals are filling up with people that aren't but the government is not being open about it.LostPassword said:
If the hospitality industry is legally open, and so receives no Treasury support, but the hospitals fill up, people will get scared and stay home and all the business we spent so much money supporting for the last 18 months will go bust anyway.MaxPB said:
I'm honestly not sure what we could do about it given that 88% of people are unvaccinated or partially vaccinated. Society must resume at some point.LostPassword said:Looks like hospital numbers are up 40% week on week. We probably need to hit the vaccine wall soon to avoid trouble.
I've been very confident that the vaccines will mostly make everything fine, but these increases are higher than I was expecting.
Maybe the only thing to do is to hope this wave will scare more people into being vaccinated.0 -
I liked Sanibel. That and Key West were my favourite bits of Florida.Leon said:
Yes, sanibel island. I’ll hunt for shells through the winterNigelb said:
You'd probably be OK with Florida...Leon said:Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable
Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in
Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz
Hmmm
Mauritius would be ok. Boring but great food. Reunion?
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I literally could not do a repeat of lockdown 3 - 2020-21. That endless winter. It nearly broke me, I do not exaggerate. I wasn’t suicidal but I was so nihilistic i was as good as. It’s only coming here to Majorca that I’ve finally felt pretty normal, and cheerfulMaxPB said:
I think by the time we get there the resistance to another lockdown will be massive and, tbh, with a booster programme I'd be surprised if we needed one.Leon said:Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable
Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in
Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz
Hmmm
ANOTHER WINTER IN LOCKDOWN
Just no
I don’t think I’m alone. Plenty of people who tolerated this last year could not endure more, emotionally or psychologically. There would be mutiny, as you suggest0 -
At least her surname wasn't Staines.No_Offence_Alan said:
My son used to work at a supermarket alongside a Mr Seaman and a Miss Swallow.Andy_JS said:
I can't remember a time when they weren't irritating. A lot of people probably don't go to supermarkets these days.Leon said:
‘Supermarket tannoys have gone downhill in recent years’ is Peak PB in a brilliant way I don’t understandstate_go_away said:
Supermarket tannoys have gone downhill in recent years - now full of cheap irritating songs (even if they annoy a couple of prickly people from Glasgow in this case) wheras once they fascinating to hear which underling employee needed to report to the managers office for a good telling off (or maybe something else if Mike Hancock was in charge). Then you would see some poor downtrodden worker scuttle off embarrassed past the aisles of beans and whisper to them "good luck mate "CarlottaVance said:No grievance too trivial:
TESCO has been accused of pouring “salt in the wounds” of Scottish football fans after playing an English supporters’ anthem from the store tannoy.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/19424576.tesco-rubs-salt-wounds-scotland-football-fans-english-anthem/
I love, for instance, the implication that for a long while ‘supermarket tannoys’ remained consistently and surprisingly excellent, like the paintings of the Dutch Golden Age
The tannoy announcer had fun with that.0 -
Or Gary Glitter.Leon said:Vietnam. I’ll go to Vietnam. Hole up in Da Nang like some alcoholic war photographer in 1969
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No good. No tortoises left for your barbecues.Leon said:
Yes, sanibel island. I’ll hunt for shells through the winterNigelb said:
You'd probably be OK with Florida...Leon said:Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable
Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in
Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz
Hmmm
Mauritius would be ok. Boring but great food. Reunion?0 -
It's amazing how people pour scorn and vitriol on libertarians on the one hand and rely on them to lead the fight against authoritarianism with the other.MaxPB said:
I think by the time we get there the resistance to another lockdown will be massive and, tbh, with a booster programme I'd be surprised if we needed one.Leon said:Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable
Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in
Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz
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As long as you avoid the sharksLeon said:
Yes, sanibel island. I’ll hunt for shells through the winterNigelb said:
You'd probably be OK with Florida...Leon said:Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable
Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in
Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz
Hmmm
Mauritius would be ok. Boring but great food. Reunion?0 -
Who are you relying on to lead the mutiny??Leon said:
I literally could not do a repeat of lockdown 3 - 2020-21. That endless winter. It nearly broke me, I do not exaggerate. I wasn’t suicidal but I was so nihilistic i was as good as. It’s only coming here to Majorca that I’ve finally felt pretty normal, and cheerfulMaxPB said:
I think by the time we get there the resistance to another lockdown will be massive and, tbh, with a booster programme I'd be surprised if we needed one.Leon said:Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable
Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in
Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz
Hmmm
ANOTHER WINTER IN LOCKDOWN
Just no
I don’t think I’m alone. Plenty of people who tolerated this last year could not endure more, emotionally or psychologically. There would be mutiny, as you suggest
Someone you and almost everybody else on here has given dogs abuse over the past 18 months?
Inevitably.0 -
I actually saw Mr Glitter, before his fall, after his fame, drinking mojitos outside the Hotel Inglaterra in Havana, Cuba, where he liked to have ‘fun’Theuniondivvie said:
Or Gary Glitter.Leon said:Vietnam. I’ll go to Vietnam. Hole up in Da Nang like some alcoholic war photographer in 1969
I said to my friend ‘that’s Gary Glitter’ and he scoffed - and we walked on; later it turned out I was right. I could have got a feeble Daily Express scoop0 -
Covid will become like winter flu and peak each year in winter, so the government just being sensible to retain the possibility of future winter restrictions.maaarsh said:https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1412787809082032138
Told you so…
…buried deep in a Govt document released Monday, they confirm the intention to renew emergency Coronavirus Act powers through the winter.
What happened to “irreversible”?
We will also likely need annual top up Covid jabs as there are now winter flu jabs1 -
Roger?!contrarian said:
Who are you relying on to lead the mutiny??Leon said:
I literally could not do a repeat of lockdown 3 - 2020-21. That endless winter. It nearly broke me, I do not exaggerate. I wasn’t suicidal but I was so nihilistic i was as good as. It’s only coming here to Majorca that I’ve finally felt pretty normal, and cheerfulMaxPB said:
I think by the time we get there the resistance to another lockdown will be massive and, tbh, with a booster programme I'd be surprised if we needed one.Leon said:Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable
Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in
Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz
Hmmm
ANOTHER WINTER IN LOCKDOWN
Just no
I don’t think I’m alone. Plenty of people who tolerated this last year could not endure more, emotionally or psychologically. There would be mutiny, as you suggest
Someone you and almost everybody else on here has given dogs abuse over the past 18 months?
Inevitably.1 -
I don't think I could take a repeat either. Melodramatic as it sounds, I don't think I've fully recovered mentally from the winter yet.Leon said:
I literally could not do a repeat of lockdown 3 - 2020-21. That endless winter. It nearly broke me, I do not exaggerate. I wasn’t suicidal but I was so nihilistic i was as good as. It’s only coming here to Majorca that I’ve finally felt pretty normal, and cheerfulMaxPB said:
I think by the time we get there the resistance to another lockdown will be massive and, tbh, with a booster programme I'd be surprised if we needed one.Leon said:Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable
Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in
Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz
Hmmm
ANOTHER WINTER IN LOCKDOWN
Just no
I don’t think I’m alone. Plenty of people who tolerated this last year could not endure more, emotionally or psychologically. There would be mutiny, as you suggest0 -
Trump launches class action lawsuit against Facebook/Twitter/Google.0
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I don't think anyone has.Maffew said:
I don't think I could take a repeat either. Melodramatic as it sounds, I don't think I've fully recovered mentally from the winter yet.Leon said:
I literally could not do a repeat of lockdown 3 - 2020-21. That endless winter. It nearly broke me, I do not exaggerate. I wasn’t suicidal but I was so nihilistic i was as good as. It’s only coming here to Majorca that I’ve finally felt pretty normal, and cheerfulMaxPB said:
I think by the time we get there the resistance to another lockdown will be massive and, tbh, with a booster programme I'd be surprised if we needed one.Leon said:Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable
Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in
Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz
Hmmm
ANOTHER WINTER IN LOCKDOWN
Just no
I don’t think I’m alone. Plenty of people who tolerated this last year could not endure more, emotionally or psychologically. There would be mutiny, as you suggest
However, there are relatively few who are aware of it.0 -
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Encouraging signs that the North West is peaking.
Remember, a) positive tests <> cases - my view is that due to test and trace (which does do something, contrary to popular opinion), positive tests lags actual prevalence - because we go looking for cases, and do more testing where we have more positives. It's all a little cyclical.
b) 7-day averages mean this is a lagging indicator.
My guess therefore is that we are already past the peak in the NW, thoug hdo not yet have the data to show it.
I give updates on the NW not because it is the best region (though it is) but because we are going through this first, so indicate where the rest of England may go.
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Everyone says this. And maybe that’s right because it’s what the politicians keep saying.HYUFD said:
Covid will become like winter flu and peak each year in winter, so the government just being sensible to retain the possibility of future winter restrictions.maaarsh said:https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1412787809082032138
Told you so…
…buried deep in a Govt document released Monday, they confirm the intention to renew emergency Coronavirus Act powers through the winter.
What happened to “irreversible”?
We will also likely need annual top up Covid jabs as there are now winter flu jabs
But what happened to the molecular modelling which predicted that sarscov2 is headed for an evolutionary dead end, where it can’t mutate any further without being unable to latch onto ace2 receptors?
And what of fading immunity to existing strains? Maybe we’ll see a bit of that in antibodies but I don’t think there’s enough to be too pessimistic about that, certainly not to the extent that we require authoritarian restrictions on how life is lived, with or without booster shots.
And that’s without t-cell immunity, which that chimp Valance scoffed at earlier on in the crisis, even as studies in Asia showed strong T cell immunity to SARSCov1 over a decade after the event.
Stop pumping the narrative that winter restrictions are an inevitably. They are not. They are the politically easy fallback if the government fails to ensure we have a sensible vaccination programme and a properly functioning healthcare system.2 -
As if global plague and mass die-off isn’t enough, NOW THE TRAM HAS BROKEN DOWN IN PORT DE SOLLER1
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I assume the 3% are angry gammons?HYUFD said:66% of English voters unsurprisingly want England to win tonight to just 3% backing the Danes.
38% of Scots want Denmark to win however to just 21% backing England.
34% of Welsh voters want England to win, only 13% want the Danes to win
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I'm not sure I agree. There are around 68 million people in the UK - we are ALL different. Yes for some this last winter was hell on earth, but not for all. My wife and I have been working mainly at our respective sites throughout, and have little or no social life in winter. So pretty much normal, aside of mask wearing. I don't think I need to recover from anything. Maybe I am the only one, but I doubt it.dixiedean said:
I don't think anyone has.Maffew said:
I don't think I could take a repeat either. Melodramatic as it sounds, I don't think I've fully recovered mentally from the winter yet.Leon said:
I literally could not do a repeat of lockdown 3 - 2020-21. That endless winter. It nearly broke me, I do not exaggerate. I wasn’t suicidal but I was so nihilistic i was as good as. It’s only coming here to Majorca that I’ve finally felt pretty normal, and cheerfulMaxPB said:
I think by the time we get there the resistance to another lockdown will be massive and, tbh, with a booster programme I'd be surprised if we needed one.Leon said:Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable
Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in
Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz
Hmmm
ANOTHER WINTER IN LOCKDOWN
Just no
I don’t think I’m alone. Plenty of people who tolerated this last year could not endure more, emotionally or psychologically. There would be mutiny, as you suggest
However, there are relatively few who are aware of it.0 -
If hospitals are being overrun with unvaccinated... Vaccine passports for pubs/stadiums/crowded places? If you're not willing to be vaccinated then you can't be in a place of high risk?
Sadly when you socialise the costs of irresponsible behaviour (NHS) then you have to find other ways to prevent the behaviour (authoritarianism) or just let society (really individual men and women and families) pick up the costs of others (not right, moral hazard)1 -
Actually saw GG perform, courtesy of Ken Livingstone. He headlined a free festival on the South Bank back in those halcyon days when Ken was leader of the GLC.Leon said:
I actually saw Mr Glitter, before his fall, after his fame, drinking mojitos outside the Hotel Inglaterra in Havana, Cuba, where he liked to have ‘fun’Theuniondivvie said:
Or Gary Glitter.Leon said:Vietnam. I’ll go to Vietnam. Hole up in Da Nang like some alcoholic war photographer in 1969
I said to my friend ‘that’s Gary Glitter’ and he scoffed - and we walked on; later it turned out I was right. I could have got a feeble Daily Express scoop0 -
The government already has achieved a widespread vaccination programme but we know flu peaks in winter each year when hospital flu admissions are their highest and we have to be prepared for Covid to be similar, even for the double vaccinated (especially amongst the elderly)moonshine said:
Everyone says this. And maybe that’s right because it’s what the politicians keep saying.HYUFD said:
Covid will become like winter flu and peak each year in winter, so the government just being sensible to retain the possibility of future winter restrictions.maaarsh said:https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1412787809082032138
Told you so…
…buried deep in a Govt document released Monday, they confirm the intention to renew emergency Coronavirus Act powers through the winter.
What happened to “irreversible”?
We will also likely need annual top up Covid jabs as there are now winter flu jabs
But what happened to the molecular modelling which predicted that sarscov2 is headed for an evolutionary dead end, where it can’t mutate any further without being unable to latch onto ace2 receptors?
And what of fading immunity to existing strains? Maybe we’ll see a bit of that in antibodies but I don’t think there’s enough to be too pessimistic about that, certainly not to the extent that we require authoritarian restrictions on how life is lived, with or without booster shots.
And that’s without t-cell immunity, which that chimp Valance scoffed at earlier on in the crisis, even as studies in Asia showed strong T cell immunity to SARSCov1 over a decade after the event.
Stop pumping the narrative that winter restrictions are an inevitably. They are not. They are the politically easy fallback if the government fails to ensure we have a sensible vaccination programme and a properly functioning healthcare system.0 -
Trump and class in the same sentence ... does not compute.contrarian said:Trump launches class action lawsuit against Facebook/Twitter/Google.
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Just make social insurance an actual insurance system, where the personal cost is calculated by each individuals personal risk choices. If you don't want to pay, no NHS coverage.CaptainMatt said:If hospitals are being overrun with unvaccinated... Vaccine passports for pubs/stadiums/crowded places? If you're not willing to be vaccinated then you can't be in a place of high risk?
Sadly when you socialise the costs of irresponsible behaviour (NHS) then you have to find other ways to prevent the behaviour (authoritarianism) or just let society (really individual men and women and families) pick up the costs of others (not right, moral hazard)0 -
Seems sensible! Tho thinking about it now, I think a lot of the issues around vaccination are with people not being rational actors which is a different problemAslan said:
Just make social insurance an actual insurance system, where the personal cost is calculated by each individuals personal risk choices. If you don't want to pay, no NHS coverage.CaptainMatt said:If hospitals are being overrun with unvaccinated... Vaccine passports for pubs/stadiums/crowded places? If you're not willing to be vaccinated then you can't be in a place of high risk?
Sadly when you socialise the costs of irresponsible behaviour (NHS) then you have to find other ways to prevent the behaviour (authoritarianism) or just let society (really individual men and women and families) pick up the costs of others (not right, moral hazard)0 -
Looking at the frankly weird demand & supply limitation we're now in in the UK, it's clear the JCVI should have reversed the AZ decision as soon as delta started rising. Too late now to be particularly useful though.2
